Joe Rogan Experience #2527 - MrBeast

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0:12>> It must be very easy to get people to do

0:15your show.

0:16>> Uh well, I mean, yeah, seeing how we

0:18give away millions of dollars, it's

0:20Yeah, usually [laughter] people are very

0:21excited about it. The actual the only

0:24hard part for us is, you know, if it's a

0:25longer one, just the time off work. So,

0:27cuz sometimes like when we shoot like

0:29Beast Games or stuff, you know, it can

0:31go for a month, but besides the work

0:33stuff, of course.

0:34>> Does it are there people that haven't

0:35been able to do the show cuz they

0:37couldn't get a month off work?

0:38>> Oh, yeah. Tons. Of course. So, we always

0:40have like uh even like the day before,

0:42you know, sometimes people get cold

0:43feet. So, if we're doing something with

0:45a hundred people, we usually have 10

0:46backups just because, you know, the

0:49>> I would imagine that the type of person

0:50that would do your show would have a job

0:52that they could quit. [laughter]

0:54>> Well, uh yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess it

0:56depends, right? Whether it's the YouTube

0:58channel where we're, you know, doing um,

1:00you know, a h 100 families compete for

1:01$250,000 or it's be scams where they're

1:03competing for 5 million. The 5 million

1:05people are way more excited for. Some of

1:07the, you know, the YouTube videos, it's

1:09not as like grand deal. So, they're

1:10like, uh, I don't know if I want to lose

1:11my job for 1% chance of winning 250K.

1:14So,

1:14>> well, how many people when you do beast

1:15games, how many people are competing?

1:17>> Uh, so the newest season we just shot,

1:19we uh, grabbed one person from uh, every

1:21country on Earth. So, it was around 200.

1:23Yeah. which I was actually pretty cool

1:25because you would put them in these like

1:27crazy games and you'd see how someone

1:28from like the Asian, you know, Pacific

1:30countries would react versus like

1:32someone in South America and they play

1:33and think so differently because they

1:35have such different upbringings. So, it

1:36was really cool.

1:38>> Did you have to I mean, you must have

1:39had to thoroughly vet these people,

1:41right? Make sure they're not insane.

1:44Make sure you have a serial killer.

1:46>> We do the psych and background checks,

1:47of course. No,

1:48>> how do you get that information if

1:50you're going I mean, if you have How

1:52many countries are there? First of all

1:53is 190.

1:55>> We went off of whatever the Olympics do.

1:57So it's like 100 something around 200.

1:59Yeah. Plus or minus a couple.

2:01>> So some of them have to have some shitty

2:03infrastructure.

2:04>> Oh, I mean I think one of them has

2:05literally 40,000 people living in it.

2:07Like it was uh what is it? Not the uh

2:10something Sea Islands, not the Cayman

2:12Islands. It was but some island country.

2:14And yeah, I was like wow. Like my town

2:17which has 100,000 people is two and a

2:18half times the population of your

2:19country. Well, I was joking with the

2:21contestant because I was like, if you

2:22win the $5 million, you could

2:24technically give a $200 dividend to

2:26every single person in your country is

2:28like, it's that crazy. It's that little

2:30people living there.

2:30>> Wow. Yeah,

2:32>> that's the kind of country like I wonder

2:33if you could buy that country.

2:36>> I mean, the GDP is probably, you know, a

2:39couple hundred million dollars if I were

2:40>> guess. Like someone like Elon or

2:42something like that could buy

2:43>> Elon. There's probably thousands of

2:44people in America that could I mean, I

2:46feel bad people from that country

2:47listening that say the country. Okay,

2:49true.

2:50>> We're good. We're good. We didn't say

2:51it.

2:51>> Exactly. It's It's yours.

2:53>> They should know what they are. Yeah.

2:54>> They were They're a country of 40,000

2:56people. That's just what it is. Nothing

2:57wrong with that.

2:58>> But it's uh it it is weird how many

3:01countries there are. And if you've got a

3:03person from every country,

3:06what are the odds you're going to get

3:07good data as to whether or not they're a

3:09criminal? Uh well that's why I mean if

3:11you saw like our budgets on what I have

3:14to spend on casting those people it was

3:16ridiculous to be able to get them all

3:17because basically what we did is we

3:19grabbed multiple options for each

3:20country. And what I was worried about is

3:22that like the contestant from blank

3:24country would suck and then uh the

3:26country would be like Jimmy you hate us

3:28and you purposely picked this you know

3:30absolute [ __ ] So we we would pick two

3:32or three from each country and then we

3:33let people from those countries vote on

3:35who should compete.

3:36>> So it wasn't even one. I had to get

3:38multiple from each. So I think I ended

3:40up spending over a million dollars just

3:41on, you know, aggregating and casting

3:43and background checks and everything and

3:45then putting it out there so people

3:46could vote on it. But that way, you

3:48know, whatever, like Georgia and Europe,

3:50if that guy's an absolute [ __ ] it's on

3:51them. They picked them, you know?

3:53>> Right. That's actually very smart.

3:55>> Exactly.

3:55>> How did you come up with the concept for

3:57this show? Like what? First of all, how

3:58the [ __ ] do you have time to do that

4:01show as well as do your YouTube show?

4:04>> Yeah. Uh, I just don't sleep much during

4:06those because like Beast Games basically

4:09is 30 days of just, you know, 18 hours a

4:11day filming. And so, and for people who

4:13might not have heard of it, it's

4:14essentially the largest cash prize of

4:15any show in the world. Uh, at season

4:17one, we had the most contestants of any

4:18show in the world and the largest sets

4:19of any show ever to exist. And I was

4:21just like, what if you take like a

4:23reality show, but you just ramp

4:25everything up to the absolute maximum.

4:27And like uh like season one, we give

4:28away $22 million just in one season,

4:31right? And you know, some of the biggest

4:32game shows in the world right now give

4:34away $250,000. Like, we're giving away

4:36$2 million every episode. Yeah.

4:38>> Look at that. That's wild. All those

4:40That's so crazy. That set's amazing.

4:42>> And then we we build a city. And so

4:44also,

4:44>> holy [ __ ]

4:46>> My my whole thesis behind it with uh

4:48this is, you know, you when you watch

4:50these, you know, game shows or reality

4:51shows, there's a lot of takeaways and

4:53like after the show, they'll put people

4:55in a room and they'll be like, "Hey,

4:56talk about what happened here." And it's

4:58like intercut. And I was like, well,

5:00what if we just have a thousand cameras

5:02and we just let people be themselves and

5:04we kind of just show it in real time.

5:05So, we also like in season one, we broke

5:07the world record of most cameras ever

5:09used in any production of any movie

5:11show, anything ever. So, like this set

5:13right here, there's over 1,200 cameras

5:15in there

5:17>> and and the most

5:17>> that room is so big.

5:19>> Yeah, it's it's bigger than the football

5:20field. And so, there's a thousand

5:22contestants. We have to have an a cam on

5:24all of them. So, there's like a poll on

5:26each of their platforms on them. Plus,

5:27there's hundreds of cameras in the roof

5:29and blah blah. I think there's over

5:301,200 here, which outside of this, the

5:33most ever used for production was 400.

5:34So, like I I literally had to and and

5:37this might seem insane, but this is why

5:39I think the show appeals to quite a few

5:40people because normally in a show, they

5:43would have a story producer walk up to

5:44you, hold a camera, and be like, "All

5:45right, you got three minutes. You're

5:47kind of the bad guy. Say roughly along

5:49these lines, almost basically put words

5:50in your mouth, and then they'd go like

5:52person to person with like one camera."

5:54Whereas I go in the microphone, I go,

5:55"Say whatever the hell you want. We're

5:57recording you for the next 10 hours. I

5:59don't care. Right. And you all have a

6:00dedicated camera on you. So then instead

6:02of like putting words in people's

6:03mouths, they can just do whatever they

6:05want.

6:05>> So do you have someone who actually has

6:07to go back and watch all that footage

6:08and edit it and then put it all out as a

6:11show?

6:11>> Yeah, exactly. Well, this is why

6:12>> How many people do you have doing your

6:14editing?

6:15>> Uh that uh season over 150 editors

6:17worked on it. Yeah.

6:18>> Holy [ __ ]

6:19>> It's crazy. And that's obviously why

6:21people don't do it because it's it's

6:23like basically we had to spend millions

6:24of dollars in cameras. It was the world

6:25record for most cameras ever used. Which

6:27then we also broke the world record for

6:28most camera cables used because it's 27

6:31miles of camera cables. Broke the world

6:32record for largest control room. Each of

6:33these is millions of dollars. And you

6:34have to bring in millions of dollars of

6:36extra editors. And so next thing you

6:38know, you know, to take it from 10

6:40cameras where you just essentially put

6:41words in people's mouths to unlimited

6:43cameras and they can do whatever you

6:45want. You can show who they actually are

6:46as opposed to what you think they should

6:48be. Right. With a story producer, it

6:50costs a lot of money. It's a lot of

6:51effort and time, but it shows through in

6:53the final product because now, you know,

6:54you get more natural like less scripted

6:57things when people are just themselves.

6:59>> You have a great ability to like see the

7:02big picture and a a great ability to put

7:06together things regardless of what the

7:08budget is, like regardless of how much

7:10money you're going to make to do the

7:11best product. Like I always thought that

7:14about you when you were doing when you

7:16first started doing your YouTube show.

7:17I'm like the amount of money and time

7:19and effort involved in this is like

7:22above and beyond what most people are

7:23willing to do. Y

7:24>> and it's it's way more than a

7:27traditional television network where

7:29would ever do because a traditional

7:30television network would look at the

7:32upside. They would look at the money and

7:34they would go, "We're going to spend X

7:36amount of money to make it this much

7:37better, but if we just take it down a

7:40couple notches, we save 80%."

7:42>> Yeah.

7:43>> And they would do that, but you're like,

7:44"Can we make it even cooler? let's put

7:47all the money back into the show which

7:49is very risky man because not just very

7:52risky. Um it's just very you have great

7:56foresight like you really see the big

7:58picture of it. Obviously you have the

8:00number one show in the world like you

8:02have the most watched show on earth you

8:04know your YouTube show is the most

8:05watched show on planet earth

8:07>> so it's obviously working but it's like

8:09that ability to take like to make that

8:13set must have been bananas. That is a

8:16[ __ ] enormous building. Did you have

8:18to build the building?

8:20>> Uh no. So that that's in Toronto, but

8:22it's basically an airport hanger. I

8:23mean, we spent months trying to figure

8:25out how we could make this. That also is

8:27like a thousand trap doors because every

8:30single one of those the trap doors open

8:31when they get eliminated. So that set

8:33alone was like $15 million. I mean, it

8:35was crazy. Go and thousands of people's

8:38time and stuff like that. It's actually

8:39when where we film Beast Games, it's

8:41actually a pretty big deal because it

8:42creates so many local jobs for people.

8:44So Oh, I'm sure.

8:45>> Yeah. Like there it was like pretty wild

8:47every time.

8:48>> Can you say where you film it or you

8:49keep it under wraps? That one was

8:50Toronto, Canada. Um, and uh, every time

8:52I'd walk around on set, people were

8:54loving it because even though we filmed

8:56for 30 days, there's months leading up

8:57to it and months after. So, it gives

8:59people like consistent work for 6

9:00months, whereas like before they're

9:02going project to project every week. But

9:04yeah, back on the going above and

9:05beyond, that's kind of my my whole thing

9:07is like why make content that isn't

9:09great? And uh, we just ask ourselves how

9:11do we make the best content possible as

9:13opposed to, you know, how do we make the

9:14most money possible? Um, and when you

9:16just shockingly go in with that

9:18approach, you just kind of make a lot of

9:20money. [laughter] Yeah. And uh, well,

9:22and also it's uh, I tell my team all the

9:24time too, like a big difference between

9:25us and other media companies is, you

9:27know, um, usually like people at the top

9:29will always shoot down crazy ideas or

9:30tell you it's not possible. Like

9:32whenever you have like these crazy

9:33brainstorming sessions, and I tell the

9:35team, technically anything's possible.

9:36If as humans we really wanted to, we

9:38could technically blow up the moon with

9:40enough nukes. Now, we're not going to do

9:41it because it's not worth the time and

9:42it's not worth spending the money. But

9:44you have to have that frame of mind.

9:45Everything's for the most part possible

9:47if you're willing to spend the time and

9:48spend the money. So, before you do the

9:51work and to figure out what time it

9:52takes and how much money it costs, you

9:54can't say no to something because almost

9:55all the time like we we filmed in the

9:57pyramids and I spent 100 hours living in

9:59the pyramids of Egypt. It was [ __ ]

10:01awesome. And uh you know, for years

10:03everyone's like they're not going to let

10:05you you know live in the pyramids for a

10:07couple days. Like that's crazy. And I'm

10:09like why not? like did you get a no from

10:11the you know the leader of Egypt? No.

10:14Then I'm like well technically it's

10:15possible you know and and after years of

10:17of talking with them and helping them

10:19understand that you know it's going to

10:20be more of an educational type video and

10:22it's not like I'm not going to run up

10:23the pyramids and take my shirt off and

10:25be like a lunatic. It'll be really cool.

10:27Um eventually they came around to it and

10:29they loved the video and it worked

10:30really well and it's literally like I

10:32could go anywhere in the pyramids for

10:34100 hours. I went all the way up to the

10:35top of the the middle pyramid. We went

10:37underneath it. It was it was really

10:38cool. And I like tell my team it's like,

10:40you know, even some of my most veteran

10:42people when we get these crazy ideas,

10:44their default reaction always is to go,

10:46I just don't think it's possible. And I

10:47I go, "Look, it is. Sometimes it's it's

10:49just time and money, you know, and is it

10:52worth the effort?"

10:52>> The pyramid one must have been nuts.

10:54>> Oh, it was crazy. It was one of my

10:55favorite videos.

10:56>> Is that your first time ever being

10:57there?

10:57>> Uh, yeah, actually it was. And so that

10:59made it even more special cuz I was like

11:00learning things at the the same time as

11:03I was just walking around. And um I'm

11:05I'm going to be honest, it was like a

11:06year and a half ago and it's like all a

11:07little fuzzy because I was like so

11:09tired. I was just walking around all

11:10night. But it was pretty crazy and

11:12surreal. And then going down into what's

11:14that tomb called where you go down the

11:16ladder and um like couple hundred feet

11:20uh underneath the pyramid.

11:21>> I don't know. Is that Osiris's sh?

11:24>> Yes. Yes. Osiris's. Yeah. And then uh it

11:26was like flooded and swimming around

11:27under there. It was pretty wild.

11:29>> Yeah.

11:30>> Wow.

11:31>> I feel like you should do something like

11:32that

11:32>> 100%. I I need to go there. I've been

11:35talking about going there for years. I

11:36just for me it's just the time thing. My

11:39time is I so many different jobs. It's

11:42not like one all-consuming job like you

11:44have. With me it's like

11:46>> commentary for the UFC, doing standup

11:48comedy, doing the podcast, and also

11:50married with children. It's like I have

11:52a lot of responsibilities. So, it's

11:53tough to just jet off for a mo. Ideally,

11:57if you're going to go to Egypt, I feel

11:58like you should go for like 10 days.

12:00Yeah. I feel like at least 10 days. Do

12:02you think the Yeah, I feel like they

12:06maybe honestly realistically like five

12:08days you could do it and and like I'm

12:10curious though if they'd let you just

12:11like do a video where you walk around

12:12and go everywhere because

12:14>> I wonder.

12:14>> Yeah, you cuz

12:15>> I've talked [clears throat] a lot of

12:16[ __ ]

12:17>> Exactly. So [laughter] without saying

12:19it, I'm kind of implying I don't even

12:20know if they want you there. Well, I

12:23never have said anything bad about it

12:25about it. I just think that the people

12:27that run it have a very uh narrow-minded

12:31perspective of how all that stuff was

12:33made. And I don't I think I don't think

12:35they really know. And I think there's uh

12:37a lot of uh gatekeeping in terms of, you

12:41know, what the official narrative is

12:43like how it was all made and who made it

12:44and what what it's all about. That's why

12:46they're really um hesitant to accept any

12:50alternative perspectives because they

12:53have a timeline and they attribute all

12:55this construction and there's a lot of

12:57evidence that that timeline doesn't make

12:59any sense. Yeah.

13:00>> Like did did you check out the Sphinx?

13:02>> Uh yeah. And you can you know you can go

13:03underneath it and go in that little

13:05room.

13:05>> Yeah. Did you do that?

13:06>> Yeah. Which that's the stuff I I feel

13:08like it would mean even more if you did.

13:10You've talked to Dr. Zahi, right? Yeah.

13:13Did you have him on the show?

13:14>> Yeah. Yeah, I had him on the show. Yeah.

13:15Okay, good. Yeah. And so, yeah, he's

13:18obviously the guy, so you should just

13:19call him and see.

13:20>> Yeah, I'd rather go with somebody else.

13:22[laughter]

13:23I'd rather

13:24>> I didn't listen to that episode, did

13:25>> I'd rather go hang out with one of the

13:27historians that I know.

13:28>> Graham Hancock.

13:29>> Yeah, Graham Hancock would be the

13:30perfect guy to go with.

13:31>> Yeah, you and Graham Hancock walking

13:33around. Oh, boy. That there'd be some

13:35crazy stuff. So,

13:36>> yeah. Well, whatever happened in that

13:39part of the world during that time frame

13:41is pretty spectacular. And it's kind of

13:44amazing that no one has ever achieved

13:45anything even remotely similar to it

13:47since. Yeah.

13:48>> And it's at least 4,500 years old.

13:51That's just a guess, though. They really

13:53don't know.

13:54>> Yeah.

13:54>> You know, it's it's crazy place. The

13:56fact that you got to film a show there

13:58is nuts.

13:59>> Yeah. I love how you call a show and to

14:00me it's just a YouTube video, but it's

14:02just funny.

14:03>> It's a show.

14:04>> Yeah. I know. Of course. And it makes

14:05sense because you do stuff with the UFC

14:07and then you're old a lot of it's called

14:08shows, but

14:09>> I mean whatever it is is people are

14:10watching it.

14:11>> Yeah, I know. It's just it's just funny.

14:12It's to me u I haven't heard it called

14:14that in years. Um but yeah, that that

14:17one was crazy. And I mean one thing that

14:19I'm really proud of that we did uh for

14:22season 3 of Beast Games, which

14:24>> I like in hindsight, I'm not even sure

14:25how we this one we pulled off. So I I

14:28want to see your reaction to this. So,

14:30um, basically the finale where we have

14:33the $5 million, we have the final

14:35contestants. We, uh, filmed it in the

14:38Roman coliseum.

14:39>> Whoa.

14:40>> Yeah. We we crowned the winner of season

14:423 with the $5 million cash prize in the

14:43middle of the Roman coliseum. [laughter]

14:44Played played the first game there in

14:46over a thousand years.

14:48>> Wow. That's crazy.

14:51>> I know. I'm I'm so grateful. I I like We

14:54just filmed that, too. So I'm like

14:55coming off the high and I just like like

14:57it almost makes like br gives me tears.

14:59Like what we shot was so cool. We had

15:00like a a live orchestra at like the top

15:03ring of there too. So like as the game

15:05got dramatic, we would have them like

15:06play louder music and stuff. It was like

15:09so surreal. Like there's multi because

15:10I've done really crazy things in my

15:12life, but there's multiple moments

15:13during that where I'm just like looking

15:15around in the middle of the coliseum as

15:17we're like filming the show and I'm like

15:19like this doesn't feel real. It was

15:21pretty wild. It doesn't feel I I mean I

15:23went just to visit a few years back and

15:25it didn't feel real. It's so strange to

15:28imagine like what what that was like.

15:31>> Yeah.

15:31>> You know how many thousand years ago?

15:33Two what when what year were they doing

15:35the games in the Roman coliseum?

15:39>> I would guess 1900 years ago.

15:42>> So

15:43I mean what the [ __ ] was it like being

15:46in there while that was happening?

15:47>> And imagine when they flood it and

15:48they'd have to sh like whoa. I know.

15:51>> Crazy.

15:52>> I know.

15:53>> It's just It's nuts that you could go

15:55walk around it and just try to

15:57understand like this used to be a place

15:58where people used to go to see people

16:01die.

16:02>> They used to see see people get hacked

16:03to death by swords, to see people get

16:06killed by lions. Like what the [ __ ] were

16:09>> Well, it's also interesting too because

16:10I did a lot of research, you know,

16:12before we filmed there. And it was also

16:14did a good job of you know back then

16:15they had like the hierarchy and like the

16:17noble people would sit at the bottom and

16:19the poor people be at the top and it

16:20also played like a good role of like

16:22showcasing unity even though there were

16:24all these different people from all

16:25these different you know economic

16:27statuses they would all be in the arena

16:28there but it also remind them where they

16:30are and there's like so many political

16:31implications of it too and so just

16:34everything about it

16:34>> like basketball games

16:36>> right who gets courtside tickets

16:38>> I didn't even I didn't even think about

16:39that yet

16:40>> Jack Nicholson courtside

16:42famous people. Yeah. Courtside tickets.

16:44>> True.

16:44>> Yeah. I mean, it's the same thing. I

16:46think in the coliseum though, that was

16:48the most dangerous seats because like

16:50there was a couple of incidents, I

16:52believe, when either a lion or a tiger

16:55leapt up and got a hold of some people.

16:57Yeah. Well, I I didn't hear about that,

16:59but when I was walking around, you know,

17:00they would have the, you know, uh,

17:02emperor like seat right there, and I was

17:04like, man, if I was the warrior, I could

17:07throw a spear at him. like this is like

17:08this is a killer view, but like how did

17:10no one ever just kill this guy, you

17:11know? It was I was like a that's all I

17:14could think about. I was like this is a

17:14little too close to the battlefield.

17:16>> How close is it?

17:17>> Uh it was like whatever four rows up. It

17:19wasn't like anything too crazy. Uh but

17:22like there's like obviously walls when

17:24you're walking around like little walls

17:25so you can't just, you know, walk into

17:26the stands. So So they're like kind of

17:28trapped in the arena. But it was

17:30definitely within spear throwing

17:31distance. I wonder how long it took to

17:32build that place. Cuz when you're

17:34walking around like this is an epic

17:39piece of real estate. Like [laughter]

17:41you guys built like an insane structure

17:45and they did it, you know, almost 2,000

17:47years ago or whatever it was.

17:49>> Yeah.

17:50>> So it took eight years to build.

17:52>> Wow.

17:53>> From AD72 to AD80.

17:57>> Yeah.

17:57>> Wow. Construction started under

18:00uh Vespasian

18:02between AD70 and 72. It was completed

18:06and inaugurated under Emperor Emperor

18:08Titus around AD79 to 80. So the main

18:12build phase lasted roughly 6 to 8 years.

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19:29>> Yeah, it's it's fascinating, too, cuz I

19:31like to think of like uh something

19:33equivalent now would be like maybe SoFi

19:35Stadium. Like that's such a beautiful

19:37massive stadium. And I wonder if like

19:382,000 years from now, would that still

19:40be there? Like Roman coliseum's like

19:43>> relatively still intact. It's pretty

19:45crazy.

19:45>> That's what's crazy. Well, it's because

19:46it's made out of stone. All of our stuff

19:49like cement will rot out. There's no way

19:51cement lasts a thousand years. All the

19:53glass, all the everything will just get

19:55absorbed back into the earth.

19:56>> Dang.

19:56>> Do you ever see that show? They had a

19:58show like what was it on the History

20:00Channel or something like that where it

20:01was uh after humans, I think it was

20:03called, and it it essentially showed how

20:05long it would take for cities to

20:07completely be absorbed back into the

20:09earth.

20:10>> It's not that long.

20:12>> It's not that long. No, it's like a few

20:13hundred years and there's nothing left.

20:15>> Wow.

20:16>> Yeah. actually seems like a good show.

20:18>> Yeah, it was kind of interesting. You

20:19know, it was a while ago, so it was

20:21probably like shitty AI. It was shitty

20:23CGI. They could probably do it really

20:24good now. Yeah.

20:25>> But I mean,

20:26>> if you go to Detroit, there's houses in

20:28Detroit now that have trees growing out

20:31of the the the basement of the house

20:33through the roof. Yeah.

20:34>> Like they've they've taken over the

20:36house and nature is slowly but surely

20:39absorbing the building. And then

20:41skyscrapers are a bigger endeavor, but

20:43they could still nature could still do

20:45it. It just takes enough time.

20:47>> That makes me where my brain goes to is

20:48it makes me want to do a video where

20:50it's like I bet you there's like a

20:51abandoned uh village or city that's been

20:53overgrown and like doing a video titled

20:55like last human on Earth simulation and

20:58then like living there for a month or so

21:00and and seeing what it's like. That'd be

21:01kind of cool. Kind of like the Will

21:03Smith movie back in the day,

21:05>> right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

21:06>> that'd be so fascinating like to uh or

21:09maybe do it like with a contestant like

21:10hey if you spend one month you know in

21:12this like isolated uh civilization like

21:15I'll give you a million dollars or

21:16something and then seeing how they like

21:18you know use you know hundred-y old

21:19buildings or something. I don't know.

21:20It's got my my brain turning.

21:22>> Oh, it's not a bad idea. Like an I am

21:23legend type deal.

21:24>> Yeah. But real unscripted. Exactly.

21:26>> Right. Real unscripted. But then also

21:28hire people to be zombies and haunt

21:30these people while they're sleeping

21:31brain goes.

21:32>> You know what I mean?

21:32>> Yeah. hire hire people like CGI them up,

21:36scare the [ __ ] out of people.

21:38>> I've been wanting to do that for a

21:39while, but I always get like hung up on

21:41like, okay, we I can make some real

21:43zombies, but the problem is like, how do

21:44they kill them? And then, you know,

21:46>> well, the other problem is what happens

21:48if you if you're not telling these

21:50contestants that zombies are coming?

21:52You're just trying to get a reaction out

21:53of them. What if this guy thinks it's a

21:55real zombie and kills one of the people?

21:57>> Yeah. Well, I we would tell I would have

21:58to say this is a zombie simulation and

22:00you know and then I'd have to set rules

22:02on here's how you kill a zombie. You

22:04don't use a sword, you use this bump and

22:07it's lame, which is why we never got

22:09around to it. But if there ever was a

22:10way, I do think that would be cool to

22:12like recreate a actual zombie apocalypse

22:15and and like let someone try to live in

22:16for a week because it just be cool cuz

22:19everyone's exposure to this is through

22:20scripted shows. But to see someone like

22:22truly live in an unscripted one where we

22:24build rundown gas stations and there's

22:26like food that like we would say this is

22:28set in the year60. So I'd have set

22:30designers and everything design it where

22:31it like only Laffy Taffy is still edible

22:33and stuff and it is like a true

22:35recreation of it. I I've always wanted

22:37to do stuff like that.

22:38>> You could totally do that. There's a

22:39bunch of abandoned towns.

22:40>> No, it's just the one thing we could

22:42never figure out is how does someone

22:43kill a zombie and it's not lame, right?

22:44Because imagine someone with a Nerf

22:46sword hitting a zombie. Now it's like,

22:47okay, this is [ __ ] lame, you know?

22:49>> Yeah. Uh,

22:50>> it may be a paintball type deal.

22:53>> Yeah. And that's where our head goes cuz

22:55we're uh we have a different video,

22:57similar thing. But the problem with

22:58paintball and airsoft is then you have

23:00to wear a mask, right? Because you don't

23:01want people to get shot in the face

23:02obviously and then it kind of kills it

23:05>> or Yeah. Unless the zombie masks

23:11>> were was the protection.

23:13>> Yeah. We put it over top of the people

23:15mask. That's that's poor poor actors.

23:17They're going to

23:18>> Or you just have instead of like a

23:20regular paintball mask, have something

23:22that's just a hard structure that is

23:25like your the shape of your face. So you

23:27make it form fits to your face and then

23:29you know you give them goggles,

23:31something clear so their eyes are

23:32protected and then you do all the makeup

23:34on top of it.

23:35>> Yeah. You know what? I should hit you up

23:36for these zombie things. I could

23:38>> That actually would There you go.

23:40Exactly. That perfect. That's an airsoft

23:43mask.

23:44>> That that that'd be pretty cool. I mean

23:46>> Oh, dude. That's actually dope. Look at

23:48those masks. The the half-faced zombie

23:50ones.

23:51>> Yeah,

23:51>> that's [ __ ] dope. Like you could That

23:53would be terrifying coming at you in the

23:55middle of the night.

23:57>> If anyone listening wants to live in an

23:59abandoned town for 10 days while zombies

24:01try to kill you.

24:02>> I think we're on to something now. Now

24:03that I saw those masks, I'm like, "Okay,

24:06I like it." Cuz that could be the

24:07zombies.

24:08>> Well, where my head goes, because the

24:10videos are so big, right? This is

24:11probably a five10 million dollar

24:13project. probably would build this

24:15abandoned city, do I'm the last man on

24:18the planet and it's like me there for

24:19some time and then afterwards like a

24:21couple months like film then right

24:22afterwards film a video where I give

24:24someone a million dollars they live

24:25there for 10 days but they have to fend

24:26off zombies with their friends so then

24:27we can reuse the set location cuz if I'm

24:30going to completely set deck basically a

24:32whole city oh my gosh that's going to be

24:34a monster but yeah if I did both those

24:36back to back that'd actually be pretty

24:37pretty gnarly and worth the effort. I

24:39think I like the idea now. Yeah.

24:41>> Now that I see those masks and I think

24:44about like paintball or something along

24:46those lines.

24:47>> Well, what I'm picturing too is like

24:49ideally we could find a city with a

24:50skyscraper cuz I want like someone with

24:52a long lens pointed down of like someone

24:54pictured them on a street. It's pitch

24:55black and they have like a fire and it's

24:57them and their three friends and you

24:58know then they hear noise and zombies

25:00and stuff like those shots would be so

25:02beautiful like that. I mean that it

25:04would probably be one of the most

25:05beautiful videos ever. And I'm picturing

25:06we put like vines like on all the

25:08buildings and stuff too. So,

25:10>> well, if you wanted no one around, it's

25:13going to be hard because you're going to

25:14have to do in an abandoned place.

25:16>> Exactly.

25:16>> And you're not going to get an abandoned

25:17skyscraper.

25:19>> Maybe. So,

25:20>> unless you're in Detroit.

25:21>> Well, we also It doesn't have to be in

25:22the US. We did a video 7 days in an

25:24abandoned city where there's like uh

25:26some place in Europe where there was a

25:28city that was like war torn and stuff

25:30like that and it had like hotels and

25:32tall buildings and everything. It was

25:33pretty pretty wild. So, really? Yeah. I

25:35>> And there's no one in it now?

25:36>> No, no one in it. But like tourists go

25:38there or whatever, but they they let us

25:39close it off for a week. It was pretty

25:41crazy.

25:41>> Well, that's the place then.

25:43>> Yeah. I just wonder if they'll, you

25:44know, it's a little bit history there,

25:45so I doubt they'll let me go in and like

25:47set deck everything like crazy. But

25:49>> and also paintball everything.

25:50>> Exactly. Yeah. Well, with those masks,

25:52we could do airsoft, which would be

25:54maybe even easier. Well, actually, no.

25:55The problem with airsoft then is the

25:56trust system. You don't know if they got

25:58hit. So, paintball is probably more

25:59effective.

25:59>> Yeah. You need a paintball. Yeah. You

26:01need paintball and it needs to look good

26:03when it splatters against them.

26:05>> I I just, you know, if someone on my

26:07team's watching this, just clip the last

26:0810 minutes of this and send it to the

26:10creative team. I got you guys. I believe

26:12in you.

26:13>> Is there another way to kill a zombie

26:15other than paintball? That would be

26:17wild. Like, is there something else? Um,

26:20well, one thing we've been working on

26:22because we're we I've always wanted to

26:24like do Hunger Games in real life as

26:26well is so like these like suits where

26:28you could, you know, electronic like uh

26:30laser tag where you could just shoot and

26:32and then it just like lights up. So,

26:34what about shotguns with bean bags,

26:36[clears throat]

26:37you know, cuz they use those for people

26:39to like take out like uh when the

26:42non-lethal loads, you know, they have

26:44like bean bags that they shoot out of a

26:46shotgun. The question I would need is

26:48like if if I shot you with it like 3 ft

26:50away, would you still be fine? If I I

26:52guess you could probably adjust the

26:53pressure and stuff where it's not

26:54>> not really.

26:55>> Okay. Well, [laughter]

26:56>> I mean, you could, but you couldn't bury

26:59it, you know.

26:59>> See, this isn't Fear Factor. This is Mr.

27:02Beast.

27:02>> I understand. But can [laughter] you the

27:04gray It's a gray line.

27:05>> You know, it's so funny. I need to give

27:07you a blunt and let you just help me

27:09click on this video. I I can see this.

27:11>> There's something there. You just have

27:12to figure out an exciting way to kill

27:14them where it doesn't actually hurt the

27:16stunt people or whoever's wearing the

27:18masks, whoever pretends to be a zombie.

27:20It would have to be something. I was

27:22thinking light him on fire. But that's

27:25>> Could you pull up the seven days

27:26abandoned city video? I and just skip to

27:28some random part. I'd love for him to

27:30see like the like how it looks because

27:33that with what you're picturing and that

27:35really would be something you can't find

27:36anywhere else. And that's what like gets

27:38me excited is when it's content you

27:40can't find anywhere else. That's

27:41typically, you know, a huge indicator

27:43that if it's done well, people like it.

27:45>> Have you seen the show from

27:46>> from I don't think so. No,

27:48>> it's great. Great show, but it's about

27:50these people.

27:50>> Wait, look at that shot. Pause it right

27:51there. Look like like or

27:54so that's just one random building, but

27:56you can maybe go to the intro or

27:58something if you want to just show them

27:59like Yeah. This whole place like look at

28:01these buildings.

28:02>> Wow. Oh my god. This is perfect.

28:03>> Yeah. And then like Yeah. If you pause

28:05it there, those are all the buildings in

28:06the city of I mean

28:07>> Oh, dude. This is the spot. Listen, the

28:10show starts at sundown every night,

28:13>> okay?

28:14>> As soon as the sun goes down, that's

28:16when the games begin. It does. Nothing

28:18happens until it gets dark out.

28:19>> Everything is in the dark.

28:21>> And these people have no idea when it's

28:23going to happen, when they're going to

28:24get hit, and so they try to get their

28:26sleep whenever they can. But you keep

28:28them awake during the day with tasks.

28:30You keep them away. So dur during the

28:32day they they have all sorts of

28:36materials, they have supplies, they have

28:38all sorts of things and they have to

28:40figure out how to protect themselves,

28:42how to develop shelter, alarm systems

28:46for when the zombies are close. They you

28:48give them Yeah. Give them time to like

28:51figure out stuff to do to keep the

28:53zombies away and a limited amount of

28:55materials that they can work with and

28:57just let these people get creative and

28:59their ingenuity. But then you keep so

29:00that they'll be busy during the day. So

29:02they're not going to be able to sleep.

29:04So at night time when it gets dark out.

29:07Yeah. Then they don't know when it's

29:08going to hit. So you have these people

29:10sitting around and it might be 7:00 p.m.

29:138:00 p.m. 900 p.m. and then 3 in the

29:16morning [ __ ] starts.

29:17>> 30 zombies coming and they got to shoot

29:19them all paint

29:20>> and they're creeping in. Like they're

29:22creeping in.

29:23>> Bro, you're getting me excited. I mean,

29:25it would be so [ __ ] cool to like let

29:28them build a a structure or something

29:29and then like in Iron Legend where he

29:31has to point the lights cuz they hate

29:32lights. But like at night time like

29:34they'll have to we can uh hide lights

29:36throughout the city that they'd have to

29:37collect and then set up so they have

29:38good vision around their fort and

29:40everything and then they have like, you

29:41know, cycles where they take turns

29:43watching and stuff. And then we only

29:45send the zombies out theoretically at

29:46night or whatever the structure would

29:47be. So they have chill time or maybe

29:50every night 40 zombies are unleashed and

29:52then so they're like they shot like 35

29:54of them but they're like oh [ __ ] there's

29:56five hidden around the city. So that day

29:57while they're walking around they're

29:58like on edge and the tension throughout

30:00the day would be phenomenal. Yeah.

30:02There's so many cool ways to do it

30:04>> and you know you don't have to tell them

30:06that the zombies are only going to come

30:08out at night.

30:08>> Yeah.

30:09>> Just have it that way.

30:11>> I'm excited. We need to stop talking

30:12about this cuz I'm going to leave and go

30:14film it, right? And then [laughter]

30:15>> I'm I'm fighting the urge to go call my

30:17team. This is

30:18>> You also with the zombies, they can come

30:20out in the daytime. Just these people

30:22don't know because they never do it.

30:23>> True. Like the first five days it's only

30:25at night and then day six. Exactly. So

30:28So people get snatched up in the middle

30:30of their house.

30:31>> This company we used before as Gel

30:34Blaster, it's almost like airsoft but it

30:36doesn't hurt as bad.

30:37>> Oh, it shoots water. And these vests

30:39that they have set up are sensors so you

30:42can almost like what you're saying. It's

30:44like VR laser tag

30:45>> so it lights up when you hit it.

30:47>> Yeah. And there's like a little talking

30:48system that says like you have this many

30:49shots left. You have this much.

30:50>> Can we see [clears throat] a video?

30:51>> Yeah. Is this a video?

30:53>> We did this at night at somebody's

30:54house.

30:54>> Oh, you did?

30:55>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

30:56>> When did you do this?

30:57>> A couple months ago.

30:58>> Oh, nice.

30:59>> I don't Oh, [ __ ] It's only coming out.

31:02>> Ah, wait. Actually, now that you music,

31:05but you pointed out I have seen like

31:06Nerf gel blasters. I actually never

31:08thought of that.

31:09>> So that I mean you could just redo the

31:11set the suits so it makes sense.

31:13>> Yeah. And then reskin the guns cuz those

31:14look a little lame. But yeah, that would

31:16be

31:16>> it's kind of lame.

31:17>> I kind of like shotguns with bean

31:19[laughter] bags.

31:19>> I think I could easily picture the

31:22aesthetic you're looking for. I got to I

31:24have to find the blend between Joe's

31:26like recreation of this video and like

31:28what I could actually do. But there I

31:30actually am more inspired than ever. I

31:31think it's very doable.

31:32>> It's very doable. You just have to

31:34figure out a way to make it exciting but

31:36still not hurt anybody.

31:37>> Exactly.

31:38>> Not hurt the zombies. You'd have to like

31:40armor these people up somehow.

31:42>> I mean, well, the the thing too is like,

31:44you know, um, one way one thing that

31:46would help is like if the zombies were

31:47ex-Navy Seals or something, then it's a

31:49little different than if they were like

31:50typical Hollywood actors and things like

31:52that, which so I've learned for like

31:53some of these other things, like it's

31:55also who you cast into it. Like, you

31:56know, the Navy if it was like Navy Seals

31:58dressed up as zombies and I paid them

32:00all, you know, they wouldn't care. It

32:02also it could well it could be like a

32:06zombie army like an army

32:09some some army somewhere got

32:14taken over and turned into zombies

32:17>> and those are the people you're fighting

32:18against. So you could you could put them

32:20with like plate carriers on and you know

32:24you you could armor them up a little bit

32:26so they could take some hits.

32:27>> Have some lore behind it. Yeah.

32:28>> Yeah. You could it would make sense too.

32:32I'm I bro I'm sold. I just got to find

32:35an abandoned city.

32:36>> Give them glowing eyes. [laughter]

32:38That's the only way you know that.

32:39>> This whole podcast is gonna be Joe

32:40helping me figure out how to do zombies.

32:42It's

32:42>> Dude, it would be [ __ ] terrifying.

32:44Imagine just people that are in like

32:47this city. There's no lights, there's no

32:49electricity, and then at night time it

32:51goes dark. And maybe they have

32:53flashlights, but each flashlight only

32:55has like one hour of battery life. And

32:58so you have to like judiciously use that

33:00flashlight throughout the evening. Shine

33:02it around.

33:02>> You shut it off, you know. So you give

33:04like a little extra tension that the

33:06flashlight's going to die because you

33:07only have one hour of flashlight

33:08battery.

33:09>> Yeah.

33:09>> And then you see these red eyes

33:12>> like you give them like a a slightly

33:14glowing red eye.

33:16>> Yeah.

33:16>> And that's how you can find the zombies.

33:18>> True. That would be cool.

33:20>> So you just look out into the woods like

33:22you see the [ __ ] eyes, man. You see

33:24the eyes?

33:24>> That would be crazy. Yeah.

33:26>> And the other thing too would be cuz I I

33:28go to like how do we execute it? We

33:29could do it too where like there's like

33:31a every day at like a certain period we

33:33we pull off all the dead zombies which

33:35are humans and we just swap them with

33:36like uh I can have recreated versions of

33:38them there. So there's like actual

33:40zombie bodies like piling up and things

33:42like that. So as the video progresses

33:44they're like literally stepping over

33:45like mannequins that are set decked

33:47identically how the the people were so

33:49when they die and then they're just like

33:51literally stepping on zombies as they go

33:53building to building. That would be

33:54crazy. That would be crazy,

33:55>> you know. And actually, because if I put

33:56a million

33:57>> chalk outlines around the zombies

33:59>> so you can identify the fact that this

34:01one's a dead zombie.

34:02>> Uh, or no, don't screw it. You know, let

34:05that be the fun part. But then we if we

34:07put like a crazy prize on it, we could

34:08do you only get the pri or maybe the

34:10prize is split amongst everyone who

34:12survives the whole 10 days or whatever.

34:14And then it's like to really build up

34:15like this crescendo at the end, we could

34:17have it where the final day there's a

34:19massive invasion coming or something. So

34:21it's like the whole time it's what if

34:23like every day more and more camp. So

34:25day one it was 10, day two it was 20 and

34:27then 50 and then I'm like you know we're

34:29going to have 400 zombies come on the

34:30final day. So the whole video they're

34:32prepping for this like Game of Thrones

34:33type invasion. Not only that, but the

34:36people that get killed by the zombie, we

34:39think they're out of the game, but they

34:40actually become zombies. So when you

34:42think you won at the end, now the final

34:46game is you're competing against the

34:48zombies. the zombies who can't win

34:50because they're already dead, but they

34:52make you lose.

34:53>> Yeah. And they know you're for it. You

34:54know what actually be even crazier is if

34:56if instead of Well, you know, maybe we

34:58have Navy Seals as the zombies, but also

34:59what if the contestants are like ex-Navy

35:01Seals, too, so they have like real

35:03strategy and stuff like that. That would

35:05be cool.

35:05>> Just get the most badass people that you

35:07can get for this zombie thing. Like

35:09survivalists,

35:11>> martial artists, like

35:14be crazy, dude.

35:16>> Actually, that's not bad. like a, you

35:18know, a UFC champion, uh, Navy Seal,

35:21like Taekwond do, blah, blah, blah. And

35:23it's like, all right, what happens if

35:24you put six experts in different fields

35:26together and simulate a real zombie

35:28apocalypse? You have 50 acres of this

35:30abandoned city sealed off. We set decked

35:32it all and every day a wave of zombie

35:35that gets bigger and bigger until the

35:36big crescendo at the end hits. And if

35:38you survive it all, you split a million

35:40dollars.

35:40>> I think the the really difficult

35:42challenge is figuring out a way to kill

35:44zombies that's not lame.

35:46>> Exactly. And it doesn't hurt anybody.

35:48>> Actually doesn't kill people. [laughter]

35:49>> I love how that's your your second

35:51thought process. But of course,

35:52>> but it has to because if you're hitting

35:54them even with a gel soft, it look kind

35:56of cool, but it's likew

36:00I could add those sounds in post, but

36:02we're big fans of practical. So, I'd

36:03have my team take apart the guns and see

36:05if there's some way they can make it

36:06even though it's shooting the gel, like

36:07make it go bang bang and then add like

36:09the effects and and we'd have to reskin

36:11the guns to look like real guns. It

36:13would have to be some. It doesn't have

36:14to look like real guns cuz it could look

36:16be a gun from the future, you know?

36:18>> Yeah, that's lame. When you think of

36:20zombie apocalypse, you think it has to

36:21look like a gun that they grab from some

36:23dude's tape that they found in a house,

36:25right? That's what a zombie apocalypse

36:26is to me.

36:27>> Yeah, I guess.

36:28>> Yeah.

36:29>> Yeah. So, it would have to look like a

36:32real gun. So, that's why I like the

36:33shotguns with the bean bags. And also

36:35with a shotgun, like you're only going

36:37to get so many shells. Like you like as

36:40long as you don't have one of those big

36:41like taran tactical ones that has

36:43actually a magazine. You can hold like

36:4515 rounds. If you can I think a regular

36:48shotgun like a Benelli. What can you

36:50put? How many shells can you put in one

36:51of those? I think six. I think maybe

36:53six. Something like that is good too.

36:55You have a limited amount of bullets and

36:57reloading is hard. We just got to find

37:00out. Like maybe if it was like 20 gauge

37:03maybe if it was like 20 gauge shotgun

37:05like bird shot with with a bean bag.

37:09Maybe that wouldn't [ __ ] people up but

37:10it would make a big bang.

37:12>> Yeah.

37:12>> And you'd be hitting them and if you

37:15could find a way to light up wherever

37:18they got hit. Like if you could put them

37:20in some sort of a suit where when they

37:24get hit there's like gel packs.

37:26>> There's no way you can shoot shotguns at

37:28people. Yeah. There's just not poss.

37:32He's living in his utopia. Let him I

37:34haven't seen his eyes light up like this

37:36in years. Let him let him

37:38like a gun at a person.

37:40>> Okay. I don't know a lot about shotguns,

37:42so let's um find out.

37:43>> I'm never going to have someone point a

37:45real shotgun at someone else, but yeah.

37:46>> Yeah, you will.

37:47>> Trust me. We're going to we're going to

37:48work [laughter] this out.

37:49>> Oh, you want to you want to help

37:50co-direct it? I want to help.

37:51>> Yeah. You'll see you'll accidentally see

37:53in like the background of one shot Joe

37:55like he's like yeah [laughter] it's like

37:57the Navy Seals are fighting off the

37:58zombie apocalypse. I want to be one

38:00zombie one night. I'll sneak in.

38:02>> Everyone's like, "Who's that bald guy

38:03over there?" That's just [laughter] a

38:04>> [ __ ] yeah.

38:05>> Shotgun damage on a zombie. You have to

38:07blow their head off, right? How would

38:08you

38:08>> Oh god. Get him started. He's going to

38:11be talking about hit damage for 20

38:12minutes forever.

38:13>> Well, it depends on what kind of zombie.

38:14Like Walking Dead zombies are so stupid.

38:16You can stab in the head with a pencil

38:17and they die. Remember, it was just

38:19going through the head cuz they would

38:20shoot him with those crossbows and like

38:23crossbow wouldn't even kill a person

38:25like with those field tips. They're

38:27using field tips. This is basically like

38:29a pencil going through you. It's not

38:31like a broadhead. Like if you shot an

38:33animal with a with a crossbow, you would

38:35use a broadhead, which is a big sharp

38:38blade that cuts a giant channel through

38:40an animal. What those things are using

38:42is target points. Like that dude in

38:45Walking Dead, it would drive me nuts cuz

38:47he would shoot them in the hand. It

38:48would just stick in their head and then

38:49they'd be dead.

38:50>> It's so funny cuz get the [ __ ] out of

38:52here.

38:52>> I I watch the same thing and I'm like,

38:53"Oh, that's cool." [laughter] Different

38:55audience. Well, it's just all it takes

38:57is like one arrow to go into your head

38:59and you're dead if you're a zombie.

39:00>> Yeah, totally. One arrow in the [ __ ] is

39:02this is nonsense.

39:03>> Yeah, right. Guys, watch. Yeah. One

39:05arrow in the head, you'd be Yeah, you

39:06wouldn't die.

39:07>> The thing is, people have lived humans

39:09have lived through arrows through the

39:10head like that, accidentally gotten shot

39:12in the head with a with a bow and arrow

39:14with a a field tip and lived cuz it

39:17basically just it's like a pencil going

39:19through your head. Really? The way

39:20people die from an arrow is hemorrhage.

39:23you die from massive hemorrhage and it's

39:24usually because there's a blade. So like

39:27this like this is what the Native

39:29Americans used to use.

39:30>> But that that's

39:31>> this is actually Yes, that's that's an

39:33actual arrow head. But the thing about

39:35this is when it's attached to a stick,

39:37this is cutting.

39:38>> So it's causing hemorrhage inside the

39:40body. The little field tip doesn't do

39:42that.

39:42>> And the field tip wouldn't puncture

39:44enough veins where you just bleed to

39:45death.

39:45>> Maybe, but most likely not. I mean, if

39:48it went through your heart, yeah, you'd

39:49be dead. But if it just goes through

39:50like this side of your lungs and pokes

39:52out your back, you'll live.

39:53>> Wow.

39:54>> Yeah.

39:54>> Would you want to live?

39:55>> You would be in pain. It would suck.

39:58>> Yeah,

39:58>> it would certainly suck. But it's not

40:00like getting hit with a broadhead. My

40:02point is I don't remember my point, but

40:04if I had a point, it would be got to be

40:07a level of shotgun. That's the What is

40:09the lowest powered shotgun available?

40:12It's not a I I know 20 gauge is light.

40:16I've used those before for like shooting

40:18clay pigeons and I've used 12 gauges.

40:23You don't want to get hit with a 12

40:24gauge, even if it's a bean bag.

40:27>> 10.

40:30>> Uh,

40:31>> smallest gauge equivalent to a 67 GAUGE

40:34SHOTGUN.

40:34>> OH, there we go. Now we're talking.

40:36That's a [ __ ] ass round.

40:39>> Oh god.

40:39>> Let's see what that looks like.

40:41[laughter] You're so

40:42>> shoot a Let's Let's see what a 410 gauge

40:46shotgun or 67 gauge shotgun looks like

40:49when they shoot like a [ __ ] gun. It

40:50looks like it's going to still hurt.

40:51>> No, no, no. You'll be fine.

40:54>> Okay. Can I test it on you?

40:55>> Yeah. Yeah. Just give me a plate carrier

40:58and if you're going to use a bean bag.

41:00Yeah. Cuz that's what I'm thinking. Like

41:01if you have a chest plate, you know, so

41:04a plate carrier is bulletproof.

41:06>> Yeah.

41:06>> Yeah. But what are you going to hit?

41:08Everything you'll cover up. You'll cover

41:10up the shoulders and the arms. You give

41:11them like military style armor, like

41:14body armor

41:15>> because it's not a it's not none of this

41:16is gonna penetrate. So, if it's a bean

41:18bag round, what it is is just like it's

41:22basically a bag that's going to like

41:24>> shoot out of the shotgun and blast you.

41:27But I don't They're not lethal.

41:30>> Um, let me see what it looks like.

41:32>> I don't know which one I'm

41:33>> uh just go to a video just go to a video

41:35of lowest powered shotgun. Oh, that's

41:38>> that's weird looking. That's cool. That

41:40one looks cool.

41:40>> That one does not exactly what that's a

41:42revolver shotgun.

41:43>> Yeah, that's dope. I've never seen one

41:44of those before.

41:45>> Power it says.

41:47>> Interesting.

41:48>> Yeah, the smallest but deadliest shot.

41:51>> Yeah, I think it's smallest in terms of

41:53like the size of it, not uh not the

41:55round itself.

41:56>> Yeah, this [snorts] isn't I did ask for

41:58lowest powered, but it's that's not what

42:00people want to click on videos.

42:01>> I know. I feel like most people who buy

42:03shotguns are looking for shotguns that

42:04don't

42:05>> Well, how about this? Look up 67 gauge

42:08shotgun.

42:08>> I had done that here.

42:09>> And does it show you a video of that?

42:12Okay, let's see what it says. Let me see

42:14what it looks like when it's shooting.

42:18>> It says it's 12 gauge.

42:19>> Oh, that's a big

42:20>> Yeah, that's I'm trying to They're like

42:23modified 12 gauges.

42:25>> That's a lot.

42:26>> I just don't What the point? The shotgun

42:28isn't going to kill a zombie.

42:30>> Yeah, but it could in this game, Jamie.

42:32>> I know. You have to get so close to get

42:34a [ __ ] [laughter] head shot or

42:35whatever. See, it's more fun to like get

42:37snipers and grenades and

42:39>> I don't know if you have to use head

42:41shot.

42:43>> This little kid's going to shoot a

42:44shotgun.

42:45>> Yes.

42:45>> So that Okay, let me see. Can you give

42:47me some volume?

42:49Let me hear this. Put back that up a

42:51little bit.

42:54>> Yeah, that's what we need. We need that

42:56kind of shotgun with like a bean bag

42:58round or rock salt.

43:00>> I got it. The team, they're listening.

43:01They're on it.

43:02>> Yeah. Something where it makes an

43:06impact. There's a sound like a gun going

43:08off, but you can't really kill anybody

43:10with it.

43:11>> Yeah.

43:11>> This is totally possible, dude. You'd

43:13have to have like very strict safety

43:16protocols in the set, though. Because

43:17one of the things when I was in uh when

43:19I first moved to LA in like 1994, there

43:23was a guy that a friend of mine actually

43:25knew who was an actor who was on a set

43:28who uh took a gun that had a blank in it

43:31and thought it'd be funny to just put

43:32the thing to his head and pull the

43:34trigger. And he didn't realize that just

43:36the actual air coming out of the gun, if

43:39you put it right to your head, is

43:40lethal. And he blew his brains out.

43:43>> Oh my gosh.

43:43>> Yeah. With a blank. He just didn't

43:45>> I mean or like the Alec Baldwin

43:47situation.

43:48>> Yeah, that was actually probably

43:50negligence because it seems like

43:53>> it seems like there was an error where

43:55they were using like real rounds and uh

43:58then they would take the same guns. They

44:00would use like real rounds on a range

44:02and take the same guns and bring them to

44:04set and they didn't clear everything.

44:06>> So, I don't know who's responsible for

44:08that. I don't know what ultimately came

44:10out of that, but you're never supposed

44:12to point a gun, even if it's not loaded.

44:15You're never supposed to point a gun at

44:16someone ever. In movies now, like if you

44:19were, you

44:20>> I'm like so hesitant to this whole

44:21shotgun thing. Welcome back to reality,

44:23Joe. [laughter]

44:24>> We're going to be fine. In movies,

44:26you're supposed to like if I was

44:27shooting at you in a movie, I'm really

44:28supposed to shoot over here. And I think

44:30that came out of the movie The Crow

44:33>> because uh Bruce Lee's son died because

44:37there was something that was in the gun

44:39itself. It wasn't even a bullet that

44:41killed him. It was like there was a

44:42particle or something that hit him from

44:45the blank.

44:46>> Well, there's effects in CG and

44:48everything's so good now, too. Like, you

44:50probably don't even have to put a blank

44:51in there. You just overlay the sound

44:52effect and I mean, put the effect in. No

44:54one would even be able to tell

44:55sometimes, too.

44:56>> That's true. But you want something

44:58that's scary for the actual people

45:00>> and the recoil and stuff. Yeah. So it's

45:02it's more real

45:03>> like a really light shotgun.

45:05>> And I guess even if you know it's a

45:07blank like having a gun pointed at you

45:08as an actor makes you, you know, feel

45:10more in this situation too probably.

45:12>> Well, just rock salt. If you have a

45:14really light shotgun, even if it's a 20

45:16gauge with rock salt, it would suck. It

45:19would sting. But if you've got these

45:21guys all protected

45:23>> and you could find a way where when it

45:26hits them, like you have gel packs on

45:28them or something. So if you have them

45:30all, they're in like these like tattered

45:34looking white outfits, right? And when

45:36you hit them, there's red gel packs

45:38underneath and they splatter.

45:40>> Yeah.

45:41>> And you could, you know, if you get a

45:43direct

45:43>> We did something similar when we

45:45recreated Squid Games. We put like

45:46squibs on them when they got eliminated

45:47and blew up. And so Yeah. You would put

45:49like little squibs and then when the

45:50sensors went off it would just and the

45:53liquid would go across your body. Yeah.

45:54>> Yeah. So you could do that. So if you do

45:58that actually you could have blanks and

46:01maybe a laser sight.

46:04>> Exactly. That that's where we went with

46:05the Hunger Game stuff is laser tag and

46:07then it would just trigger squibs if you

46:09pointed at them. And then maybe in a in

46:10post like we'd have a track where the

46:13trajectory of where the bullets were and

46:14we could just overlay like the lasers or

46:16whatever uh in post so you could

46:18visually see it. But obviously in the

46:20time it were actually filming

46:21practically it would just be you know

46:23invisible. You just know if you got hit

46:25if your suit lit up. And it seems like

46:27you could sync up uh a laser tag with an

46:32actual blank round

46:34>> to make.

46:35>> So you can make the boom and then the

46:37laser actually hits the person at the

46:40same time.

46:41>> Okay.

46:41>> Right.

46:42>> Yeah.

46:42>> That wouldn't be hard to do because if

46:44you have lasers, you have guns that

46:46shoot lasers. That's what laser tag is.

46:48That's a pretty simple mechanism. All

46:50you would do is have like sort of a dual

46:52trigger setup where you have as you pull

46:55the trigger back, you get the explosion

46:57from the round going off and you also

46:59get the laser at the same time. And so

47:02the squibs go off, you say the boom and

47:04then the squibs go off and you have it

47:06all coordinated together and then it

47:08looks wild. And so then YOU HAVE THESE

47:10ZOMBIES,

47:12>> BOOM, you shoot them, you see splatter

47:14all over their chest.

47:14>> The only other thing we have to figure

47:16out is where is this going? because of

47:18what's going on my YouTube channel. We

47:19don't usually show gore. [laughter] Um,

47:22so we might have to hit up uh where we

47:24Yeah. where we used to put Fear Factor

47:26and stuff because that that definitely

47:27seems like a more It's going from like

47:28we're usually family friendly to now

47:30this is very rated R. But it

47:32>> family friendly because you're killing

47:34zombies. [laughter]

47:35>> Well, we Yeah, you you know if

47:37something's family friendly or not if

47:39you say eliminated instead of killing.

47:40So you're if you're eliminating zombies,

47:43that's family friendly. If you're

47:44killing zombies, that's rated R. Well,

47:47they're already dead, so you're

47:48eliminating them.

47:49>> Ex. There you go. See, now we're bashing

47:51them. See, they're already dead.

47:52>> And and like you can tell if like a

47:53shows like for 18 plus or like 13 plus

47:56if like before they they shoot the

47:58person or whatever if it cuts away,

47:59right? And like there's all these little

48:01things. Not that we

48:02>> This could be wild.

48:04>> I mean, if some streaming platform was

48:06like, "Yo, here's whatever whatever a

48:08blank check. Just make it happen." Oh my

48:10god.

48:10>> Amazon should do it. They need people

48:12over there anyway.

48:12>> Yeah. or I mean really even Netflix

48:14anyone really like it's it's the biggest

48:16no-brainer in the history of ever like

48:17the actually the fact that no one's

48:19recreated this is kind of absurd when

48:20you think about it but it's also like if

48:22traditional you know independent of like

48:24the shotgun stuff you're talking about

48:25like a traditional people with

48:27traditional world views did this it'd be

48:28so stringent and structured and and

48:30stuff like that whereas like we if we

48:32did it with like the beast games mindset

48:34where it's just like there's cameras

48:35everywhere they can truly do whatever

48:37the hell they want and it's not like

48:39this like guarded thing and it's an

48:40actual abandoned city. Oh my gosh, it

48:43would go crazy.

48:44>> Now, we need a task. We need a goal.

48:48>> The goal would be survival,

48:49>> right? But maybe survival while you're

48:52trying to accomplish something.

48:53>> Okay. Well, then this is like a

48:55mechanism that usually would work well

48:57is the the task every day will grow the

48:59prize pool. And if it's on a streaming

49:00platform, then the prize pool could be

49:02crazy, right? It doesn't have to be a

49:04million dollars. It could grow to 10

49:05million theoretically if they weren't

49:07being cheap. And so then it could be

49:08like every day if you complete the task

49:10I put a million dollars in the prize

49:11pool. Each episode's one whole day. It's

49:1310 episodes 10 days. And so they could

49:15technically grow the prize pool to $10

49:17million. You put some like you know the

49:18UFC people and like you Navy Seals and

49:21like these hardcore people and you tell

49:22them like they could potentially share

49:24$10 million, bro. They would be trying

49:26their butts off those 10 days. The

49:27footage would be crazy. I mean they

49:28would they would probably be like

49:29practicing during the day like their

49:31rotations and everything on like holding

49:33off zombies. It would that would be

49:34really cool.

49:35>> Yeah. They would run training routes.

49:37>> Exactly.

49:37>> You know, it's really interesting. We'd

49:39have to figure out how the zombies get

49:40them

49:41>> because you don't want physical conflict

49:43between the stunt people, the zombie

49:46people, and the contestants. You don't

49:47want them to actually fight. Exactly.

49:49>> Right. So, like you would have to have

49:50rules as to what

49:53>> it would probably be in my default

49:55intuition is if the zombie just purely

49:56touches you, then you're just dead. Like

49:58we wouldn't be able to take it any

49:59further than that, you know? You know,

50:01but if they like

50:01>> right like 28 days later zombies, all

50:03they have to do is like scratch you

50:05>> or breathe in front of you. Yeah,

50:06exactly. But in this case, if they touch

50:08you, that way it's not like the Navy

50:09Seal like pushing and flipping them off

50:11like cuz if you went to push them or

50:13touch them, then you'd be out. So people

50:14be keeping their distance, but even then

50:16it'd get pretty crazy if they're like

50:18cuz they're obviously they would run and

50:19there'd be chase scenes and stuff. So,

50:22>> uh, honestly, like I know some great

50:23stunt choreographers like Ken and a

50:25bunch of other people. I would just call

50:26them and be like, "Yo, how do I do

50:27this?" and and they'd probably be like,

50:28"Oh, here's how I do it." Or whatever.

50:30>> Dude, this could be mad.

50:32>> Yeah,

50:33>> this could be a mad

50:34>> to set the stage. It's like abandoned

50:36city, dozens of acres, sealed off. Like

50:39we I could literally build like a a wall

50:41around it so the seals and whoever the

50:42contestants know like this is the edge.

50:44They're walled in and then uh yeah,

50:46they're walking around and then we have

50:48some of the best set designers in the

50:50like world come in and like basically

50:52we'd pick a time in the future. We'd say

50:54this is 50 years in the future and they

50:56would match exactly what all these

50:57buildings would look like 50 years from

50:58now. They'd put vines on this. If

51:00there's a gas station, they'd go through

51:01and like this is what would happen to

51:03Doritos 50 years from now. They'd

51:04literally mirror it identically across,

51:06you know, a hundred buildings. And then

51:08we drop we'd have a helicopter fly in,

51:10drop them off, and then it's like, you

51:12know, every day like we could have like

51:14an eagle fly over and drop their task of

51:15the day. And then in the middle of the

51:17city's a million. Oh, that's what we

51:18could do. The prize pool in the middle

51:19if the zombies touch it as well, then

51:21they they lose the money. So they're not

51:22only defending themselves but also the

51:23prize pool. So in the middle of the

51:25city, so that's why they have to build a

51:26fort around it. And then every day if

51:28they complete their crazy task, right,

51:30which is distracting them from building

51:31their fort, then I uh a helicopter will

51:33drop another million dollars on their

51:35prize pool. So then it's like, so

51:37episode one, they complete the task

51:39before the zombies come at night. And

51:40then it's like I come in on a

51:41helicopter, we have a rope lowered down.

51:43A million dollars is massive in ones,

51:46right? And then it unhooks. And now they

51:48have $2 million there. Like good luck,

51:50guys. And if there's six of them, then

51:52it's like you're now, if you survive are

51:53all winning over $300,000. And then, you

51:56know, but if you grow the prize pool to

51:58$6 million without getting eliminated,

51:59you're all millionaires in nine days,

52:01bro. That would be crazy.

52:02>> Wow.

52:03>> And then, yeah, the zombies come in. We

52:04figure out the practical guns with the

52:06right sound effects. And

52:07>> yeah, practical guns, right sound

52:09effects, and what what entails you

52:12getting killed by a zombie. Yeah. Like,

52:14how do they

52:14>> And the other thing, too, to make it fun

52:16is if a zombie eliminates one of you,

52:18they get one six of the prize pool or

52:19whatever. So then now the zombies are

52:21incentivized, right, to try to So then

52:23it's like if a zombie touches the Navy

52:25Seal, whatever the way is, it's like

52:27congrats, now you're a millionaire if

52:28it's later on. So then like as it goes

52:30on, things are going to get really tense

52:31on both sides. It'll be really cool.

52:34>> Yeah, dude.

52:36>> Cuz that's how you take it where people

52:37don't want to be zombies to now they're

52:38like excited to be zombies. They're

52:40like, "Oo, I I actually sneak up behind

52:42them and I get a million bucks."

52:44>> People are going to want to be zombies

52:45anyway.

52:45>> True. Cuz it's going to look sick.

52:46>> It's going to be sick. Honestly, I would

52:49want to be a zombie. That just like

52:50imagine walking in a horde and role

52:51playing being a zombie. That'd actually

52:52be a pretty cool be so sick. You're It's

52:54total pitch black. There's no power, no

52:57electricity. You just see red eyes in

52:59the woods.

52:59>> Oh my gosh.

53:00>> While these dudes are sneaking in and

53:02you'd have to have some sort of rules

53:04like how the zombies can move, whether

53:05they can run, whether they can, you know

53:07what I mean? Yeah,

53:08>> cuz like we have to decide are these 28

53:10days later zombies that run at you or

53:13these like Walking Dead zombies that are

53:15like kind of like

53:16>> we probably start off that way, but they

53:18evolve with time. And and I'm a big fan

53:20of like usually when you have like uh

53:23people who are playing certain roles.

53:24They usually end up going rogue. It's

53:25really hard to get hundreds of people to

53:27do like certain things like you know in

53:29an unscripted sandbox environment. So,

53:31we would have to constrict them in a way

53:32where like if we didn't want them to

53:34move past a certain speed, we'd probably

53:35have to figure out some way to put like

53:36a chain around their feet or something

53:38that physically wouldn't allow them to

53:39do it. Or like if you have 300 zombies

53:42going, right, you you can't redo it,

53:43right? Like if if one of those zombies

53:45goes rogue and and Scratch, it's like I

53:47can't reshoot the show, right? That's

53:48what that's what's so high stakes about

53:50things we do in a super world. So, we'd

53:52have to physically make it where they

53:54couldn't do things they're not supposed

53:55to do in a perfect world. Or if you have

53:58300 people, if 2% go rogue, that's still

54:00six zombies going rogue, which is

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55:01United States audience. Yeah, it is

55:04brutal. But I think I think with pro

55:06with proper planning, if you really sit

55:08down and plan out what the what the

55:12zombies task is, what it means, and like

55:16what these people are doing, and what

55:18what what goals are they trying to

55:20achieve while they're there and while

55:22they're defending against zombies, you

55:23got to give them stuff to do during the

55:26day so that they're fully occupied so

55:28they can't sleep.

55:29>> Okay? [laughter]

55:30>> It's really important. Like the more

55:32they do during the day, it optimizes the

55:35amount of money they can win. Like as

55:37they complete tasks, if they stay alive,

55:40they have a higher threshold. Whereas

55:41someone just [ __ ] sleeps all day.

55:43>> Yeah.

55:44>> And doesn't get anything done. Even if

55:45they survive, they can't make any money.

55:48>> Yeah. I get what you're saying.

55:49>> You know what I'm saying?

55:49>> And that that works if these are, you

55:51know, hardcore like people. So it's

55:53good. Like if I normal contestants,

55:54they'd be like, "Oh, this is horrible."

55:56[laughter]

55:56>> That you want that though. You want

55:58people to [ __ ] out. You want a few

55:59people to quit because that there's

56:01always going to be people that won't

56:02>> you are hold to different standards and

56:03I that if I did that there would be

56:05maybe 10 trillion articles written about

56:07how I'm the most evil man on the planet.

56:09But

56:10>> if I made it too hard where people

56:12couldn't sleep or whatever.

56:12>> No, listen. You can't read those

56:13articles. [ __ ] those people. You just

56:15got to make an awesome show. The awesome

56:17show is you keep these [ __ ]

56:18awake

56:20>> and you make it so that they can choose

56:22to sleep if they want. But there are

56:24tasks to achieve. And if you can

56:27complete these tasks, you have the

56:29potential to make a lot of money. But if

56:30you don't complete the tasks, you can't

56:33make any money even if you survive.

56:34>> Prime sold Amazon, Netflix, whoever

56:37wants it, let us know. Like,

56:38>> right, you got to keep these

56:39[ __ ] awake. So that night time

56:41is terrifying. Can you imagine seeing

56:43people sitting there with their shotgun

56:47>> and opening their eyes and looking out

56:49and seeing red eyes in the woods like

56:50[ __ ] We get a tight shot of their faces

56:52and as they're asleep and then one of

56:54the other guys would go zombies and you

56:55hear bang bang and then they wake up and

56:57they grab their gun.

56:57>> Well, that was that's the problem of

56:59people randomly shooting wild while

57:01there's other people around them. So, it

57:03kind of would have to be blanks and

57:05lasers cuz now that I'm thinking about

57:07it, like people are going to spaz out

57:08and accidentally shoot some in the face.

57:10This is where

57:11>> especially if they're tired. I've done

57:13uh I mean obviously you did unscripted

57:14with with pctor but I've done lots of

57:16unscripted stuff with lots of people and

57:18exactly when you were talking about the

57:19shotgun stuff I'm like I you know

57:20there's just no shot in hell that you

57:22would we'd ever be able to it would have

57:24to be like but I love the gel rounds and

57:25we could do it in a way where we set

57:27that the guns where it looks really cool

57:28and we could recreate the sound effect

57:30but then gel rounds like those it's

57:31essentially like the Nerf ones now I'm

57:33remembering them like they're like water

57:34that explodes on impact those would be

57:36perfect honestly. Yeah, but you want

57:37blanks cuz you want the bang. You want

57:40the bang for the people, for the

57:42psychological effect. This the fear.

57:44It's in the middle of the night. It's

57:45dark. You're making a bang go off. The

57:47flash of the bang going off.

57:49>> Yeah.

57:50>> And then maybe to avoid people being

57:53able to shoot each other. Maybe at night

57:55time they're completely separated. Maybe

57:58at night time.

57:59>> No, you want them together. I'm telling

58:00you, like if they built a fort around

58:02the money, what you want in the shots is

58:04you always want to

58:05>> people to be able to tell what they're

58:07competing for and like their why. And

58:09you usually, but you don't want to have

58:10to say it, right? You don't want to have

58:11to say, "Oh, I'm competing for this

58:12money." But if you have the money in the

58:13background of the shot, intuitively

58:14viewers will be like, "That's what

58:15they're competing for." So like a fort

58:17built around it where they have walls

58:19and they're standing on it and you see

58:20the money behind them in the shots. Like

58:22intuitively to a viewer, you're going to

58:23instantly understand the motivation and

58:24it's going to be uh like I mean it will

58:27just be so crazy the shots. Maybe it's

58:29like a super advanced game of hideand

58:31seek at night where the people can't

58:35talk. They have to be very quiet because

58:38the zombies are have like hyper hearing

58:41like you give the zombies like Walker

58:42game ears. You know what those things

58:44are?

58:44>> Uh no.

58:45>> It's like uh do you ever go to a gun

58:46range?

58:47>> Uh yeah.

58:47>> Cuz you know you have those headphones.

58:50You can hear everything else way louder.

58:53But when guns go off it kills volume

58:55above a certain amount of dec.

58:57>> Yeah. So they can hear everything. So if

59:00you hear somebody whisper like that, the

59:01zombies like will be able to key in on

59:04it, they'll know where the people are.

59:06And these people have to [clears throat]

59:08hide from the zombies at night.

59:11>> True. Because I guess the other thing is

59:13if they built a fort around it, how

59:14would the zombies even get to them?

59:16Right. Now they're going to have

59:16elevator.

59:17>> So instead of that, you have people that

59:19are trying to hide. So you got these

59:21zombies slowly creeping through these

59:24abandoned buildings looking for people.

59:26>> Yeah. We'd have to get it to wherein

59:27where the the seals and stuff couldn't

59:29like lock doors or anything, right?

59:30Because,

59:31>> right, no locks. So, basically,

59:32>> no doors have locks. That's what makes

59:33the hideand go seek so good. All the

59:35handles or all the doors are removed.

59:37>> There's no locks.

59:38>> So, every every night maybe we we would

59:41brainstorm it more, but it theoretically

59:42they all have to hide in a different

59:44building or something. They couldn't be

59:45in the same building and then the

59:46zombies scatter across the city and then

59:48wherever you are in the building, people

59:50have to be able to get to the zombies

59:52have to be able to get to you

59:52unrestricted, right? Yeah.

59:54>> And so maybe before we release the

59:55zombies, we'd have a producer just go in

59:57and and walk a path like, "All right,

59:59there's a factual path where you could

1:00:00die to a zombie. This is good." And then

1:00:02we let him lose to make sure there's no

1:00:04cheating.

1:00:05>> There's something. This could be wild.

1:00:07>> This could honestly This is one of those

1:00:09things where I say this to my team quite

1:00:11a bit. It's either going to be like the

1:00:13worst show imaginable that people clown

1:00:14on or it's going to be like the number

1:00:16one show ever. And there's no in

1:00:17between. Like you don't do this like

1:00:19kind of all right where people are like,

1:00:20"I like it." It's either like cringe, we

1:00:22failed, this sucks. Or it's like, this

1:00:24is the greatest thing ever. Why did this

1:00:26not exist before? Like The Walking Dead

1:00:28or what's the HBO show called? The the

1:00:30one with

1:00:30>> The Last of Us.

1:00:31>> Yeah, The Last of Us in real life. Like

1:00:33how has no one done this? You know what

1:00:34I mean? Like like actual true simulation

1:00:36and like if we executed it properly. I

1:00:38really could see it being like a number

1:00:39one show in the world type thing that

1:00:41people would like cuz also you have to

1:00:42think like the world is ran by clips

1:00:44these days. I don't you know on like Tik

1:00:46Tok feeds, Instagram res and YouTube

1:00:47shorts and like it is arguably the most

1:00:49clippable thing ever. Like any 10-second

1:00:52scene of that you could just throw on

1:00:54YouTube shorts and it go viral cuz it's

1:00:55freaking zombies getting shot at.

1:00:57>> And you know how cool they could make

1:00:58those masks look?

1:00:59>> Yeah.

1:00:59>> I mean, get a real special effects guy

1:01:01to work on those masks. Yeah.

1:01:03>> Like one of those expert can you search

1:01:05up Mr. Beast zombies? Uh we have a video

1:01:07on our channel from like I mean God

1:01:09knows how long ago seven years ago where

1:01:10we we did like make like a mini zombie

1:01:12horde but not like in a simulation like

1:01:14this just for fun to see how people in

1:01:16public would react and like the it looks

1:01:18disgusting the things they were able to

1:01:20do. It's pretty crazy.

1:01:21>> Yeah. Special modern special effects and

1:01:23makeup artists. They could do amazing

1:01:25stuff, man.

1:01:26>> Wait. Uh go if you could find like a

1:01:28close-up of my face or like it was like

1:01:30crazy. We we just brought in people.

1:01:33>> Yeah. Like like that kind of stuff. Like

1:01:35look at my face right there. Wait, pause

1:01:36it. It's freaking wild,

1:01:39>> dude. You could totally do something

1:01:41like that on the outside of one of those

1:01:43masks.

1:01:44>> Yeah, 100%

1:01:44>> 100%.

1:01:45>> Exactly.

1:01:47>> 100%.

1:01:48>> Yeah, that that was really all bad.

1:01:49>> That's the look you what yours looks

1:01:51like with like the teeth and everything

1:01:52and [ __ ] up flesh. That is the mask.

1:01:55>> Exactly.

1:01:55>> So, you take that hard airsoft mask and

1:01:58you put that [ __ ] on it.

1:01:59>> Joe, the problem is I want to go work on

1:02:00this now. We [laughter]

1:02:02give me like So, it's it's funny. I have

1:02:04this thing where uh this might sound

1:02:06like crazy to some people, but when I

1:02:09you can you know when you feel your

1:02:10heart rate get elevated. When I talk

1:02:11about an idea and I can feel my heart

1:02:12rate get elevated, I'm usually like

1:02:13that's a good indicator that it's like a

1:02:15good idea cuz it means I'm getting like

1:02:17dude this is a good idea.

1:02:18>> Yeah, I I can literally feel or not

1:02:19anymore but like a couple minutes ago I

1:02:21could feel my heart beating cuz I was

1:02:22getting excited and it's like that

1:02:24usually almost always correlates with

1:02:26people because if I'm getting excited

1:02:28talking about it you have to think like

1:02:30a lot of things right now are because of

1:02:32Tik Tok and reals and stuff they they go

1:02:34viral because of word of mouth and so

1:02:36like if just talking about the idea gets

1:02:37someone excited then that usually means

1:02:40like a lot of people are just going to

1:02:41talk about it and if a lot of people are

1:02:42talking about obviously a lot of people

1:02:43watch it and so that's why I call it

1:02:45kind of like the heart rate effect like

1:02:47that that's like my number and signal

1:02:48that like people are going to talk about

1:02:49this and freaking love it if we turn.

1:02:51>> I can see it. I can see scenes. I can

1:02:54see darkness starting to settle in on

1:02:56the town and I can see the people like

1:02:58trying to figure out where to hide and

1:03:00what to do

1:03:00>> and the eyes at night. That was genius,

1:03:02too.

1:03:02>> Yeah, dude. I can see the eyes.

1:03:04>> And it's interesting because it's like

1:03:05uh combining the vin diagram of us,

1:03:07right? you're kind of representative of

1:03:09the very like uh I don't know your like

1:03:12uh just ability to really think deeply

1:03:14of like what makes it [ __ ] cool and

1:03:16and you're really hyperfixating on what

1:03:18makes the zombies cool and like the

1:03:20realistic nature of it and then I'm

1:03:22hyperfixating on uh just kind of the

1:03:24overall set design and things. There's

1:03:25like a vin diagram in the middle where

1:03:27we combine like the two like obsessions

1:03:29and it really like merges together and

1:03:30makes something beautiful.

1:03:32>> Yeah, man. And you you could also have

1:03:33like

1:03:35not just zombies, you could have like

1:03:37some other things that are out there too

1:03:39that can get people.

1:03:40>> Yo, Jamie, can we get 10 days on his

1:03:42schedule? Can he do one [laughter] of

1:03:43the Well, the Actually, no, because you

1:03:46wouldn't You don't need the money. But

1:03:47it would be cool if you were competing

1:03:48in it because then that would be insane.

1:03:51>> Yeah. I just It's too much time.

1:03:52>> Exactly. I know. Just cancel some

1:03:54podcast.

1:03:55>> I like the idea of it though.

1:03:56>> How about we or never mind. You pick

1:03:58them up in the car to take them to a

1:04:00podcast and they're like, "Oh, whoops.

1:04:01We're in an abandoned city. Oh, here's

1:04:03your shotgun you talked about a year

1:04:05ago, Joe. Wow. Anyway, zombies are

1:04:07coming tonight. What? He's going to

1:04:08leave and not shoot zombies? Come on.

1:04:10>> Have you ever done uh sandbox VR?

1:04:13>> Uh, is that the one where it's like the

1:04:15you just go in and there's random worlds

1:04:17and you can walk around on them?

1:04:18>> Uhhuh. It's It's a warehouse. You go in

1:04:20there and they have fans and stuff, so

1:04:22it like simulates like the wind. And you

1:04:25go in there and you put on a headset and

1:04:27you put on a haptic feedback vest. And

1:04:29one of them is called Deadwood Mansion.

1:04:31That's my favorite one. And you go in

1:04:32there and you shoot zombies. You're in a

1:04:34mansion. You're in this like abandoned

1:04:36mansion and rats come out and zombies

1:04:38and there's guys in the ceiling. It's

1:04:40[ __ ] awesome. You would love it. But

1:04:42you might get some ideas if you do that

1:04:45because

1:04:45>> you mean we we're co-producing this now.

1:04:47You're you're too invested. You just

1:04:48spent 34 minutes on a whatever podcast

1:04:51like ripping on it.

1:04:52>> Well, there's something to it, man. I I

1:04:54just I see it in my head. I'm like that

1:04:56would be an amazing show. I just see

1:04:58these people like in the like in a a

1:05:01parking structure like setting up

1:05:04getting ready and the sun's coming down

1:05:06and they're like, "Look, we got to we

1:05:08have about 20 minutes of daylight left."

1:05:10Yeah.

1:05:10>> And you realize like, "God, I'm so

1:05:11[ __ ] tired."

1:05:12>> Well, and they're like, "There's still

1:05:14$200,000 left we could earn today, but

1:05:17we need to start prepping this." And one

1:05:18guy's just greedy as hell. And another

1:05:19guy's like, "We're going to lose if you

1:05:21do that." and like infighting and stuff

1:05:23as we're getting like dramatic like you

1:05:25know B-roll of it from like wide shot

1:05:27cuz everything too could be shot really

1:05:29far away. So like it's like lenses are

1:05:32punching in and so it's not like there's

1:05:33a camera crew on them

1:05:34>> and you could have each day when it's

1:05:36tasks, right? So you have to accomplish

1:05:38something and the more you accomplish

1:05:39the more money you could potentially

1:05:41make. Each day is an escape room.

1:05:44>> So every day there's new puzzles to

1:05:46solve. There's and then you're getting

1:05:48[ __ ] tired because you're not

1:05:49sleeping. Actually, the escape room is a

1:05:51good uh a good throughway to do the

1:05:52task. It's not like some goofy stuff

1:05:54like move this rock from one side to the

1:05:55other, but like an actual escape room

1:05:58and maybe the million dollars that win

1:05:59each day is inside like uh like so it

1:06:01could be like I drop a vault every day

1:06:03in the middle and then like you have to

1:06:04do a series of things to figure out the

1:06:06combination that are hard and then when

1:06:08you solve it then it goes on the money

1:06:10pile.

1:06:10>> Have you done many escape rooms?

1:06:12>> Uh like I live in Greenville, North

1:06:14Carolina. There's not like many there.

1:06:16>> Me and my family we do them everywhere

1:06:17we go. They're [ __ ] awesome. And the

1:06:19best ones are in Vegas.

1:06:21>> They have insane. They have an IT one in

1:06:23Vegas. It one and It Two. You're in the

1:06:26It's [ __ ] incredible. It's so good.

1:06:28And it's huge. It's like 30,000 square

1:06:30feet this place. And they actually have

1:06:32Penny Wise the clown. They have an actor

1:06:34who wears the [ __ ] suit and looks

1:06:35just like Penny Wise and scares the [ __ ]

1:06:37out of you. It's amazing. But those kind

1:06:40of people, you could recruit those kind

1:06:42of people to design puzzles and things

1:06:45where people have to do every day. And

1:06:47then you're dealing with sleep

1:06:48deprivation and people having to work

1:06:50together and not Oh my god, dude.

1:06:52>> And I know the perfect people for it. We

1:06:54uh did uh for Salesforce, we did their

1:06:56Super Bowl commercial this year. And in

1:06:58the commercial uh I hit a million

1:07:00dollars uh in it. Like basically if you

1:07:01watch the commercial just with your

1:07:03computer in the commercial, you can win

1:07:04a million dollars. And there's like a

1:07:06bunch of random clues and puzzles hidden

1:07:07through it. And uh over and so the first

1:07:10thing it did take took you to a website

1:07:12that just like loosely explained it.

1:07:13Over 60 million people visited that site

1:07:15and attempted it, but it still took

1:07:17weeks for for people to find the million

1:07:19dollars and it was like one of the

1:07:20craziest internet like puzzle hunts ever

1:07:22because it would like take you to this

1:07:24website which would then would take you

1:07:25to this other one where you'd have to

1:07:26call a number and like it's a 4-hour

1:07:28voicemail but like at the very end I

1:07:31would like say like 1 2 3 4 8 blah blah

1:07:33blah and if you weren't recording this

1:07:34you're going to have to listen to all

1:07:34four hours to get hang of and then it's

1:07:36just like sending you everywhere and uh

1:07:38it's basically like a hundred of the

1:07:39most complex puzzles on on the internet

1:07:42and like it took this a group of like

1:07:44really highlevel puzzle solvers almost

1:07:46an entire month to to solve it even with

1:07:47a million dollars on the line and

1:07:49millions of people were trying it and

1:07:50there's a whole subreddit dedicated to

1:07:51it and so I just uh I just basically

1:07:54went on Redd and I got all the like the

1:07:56most cracked out like uh puzzle solvers

1:07:57in the world and I was like if you had

1:07:58unlimited budget how would you make the

1:08:00most insane puzzle ever and then that's

1:08:02what they came up with and it was like

1:08:04it's like hard to even articulate the

1:08:05the steps on it like some of it was uh

1:08:09uh how do I even I don't even know how

1:08:10to describe it was like so complicated

1:08:11like sometimes there's like a page with

1:08:13like a a bunch of buttons on it, like a

1:08:15million buttons, but only one works and

1:08:16like you have to go through and click it

1:08:18all. And so some of them were mundane

1:08:19and then other stuff is like, you know,

1:08:20a paragraph of text and you have to like

1:08:22use some old language like decipher the

1:08:24text to figure out what the words were.

1:08:25And so like each puzzle required like a

1:08:27different skill set to like get through

1:08:28it.

1:08:29>> Wow.

1:08:30>> Yeah. I could I could think of all sorts

1:08:33of different things you could have these

1:08:35people do like during the day. These

1:08:37different tasks, different puzzles that

1:08:39they have to solve.

1:08:41>> Yeah. There's like languages I didn't

1:08:42even know it exists. So like in the

1:08:44commercial I'm wearing a belt that just

1:08:45had different colors on it. But if you

1:08:46put the colors in order, it like

1:08:48translates to this thing. And like I

1:08:50mean I don't even understand what half

1:08:51the things were, but people were able to

1:08:53figure it out eventually. Like they were

1:08:55they were just showing me like oh this

1:08:56represents braille these dots. And so we

1:08:58put them in this wave and then if you

1:08:59combine it with these colors and it got

1:09:01like pretty insane. And so it all ties

1:09:03back to like the Super Bowl commercial

1:09:05and like all every little thing in

1:09:07there. Uh, and like one part of the

1:09:08puzzle is you have to find locations on

1:09:10a map and like in the commercial I hold

1:09:11up a grenade and it's like a one plus

1:09:14question mark equals like whatever and

1:09:17uh it ends up being like uh but the text

1:09:19is yellow and like uh it's like a stone

1:09:22was drawn on it and like it basically

1:09:24meant yellow stone and then you you put

1:09:25in Yellowstone in like this location

1:09:27thing on a different website and then it

1:09:29unlocks this and you had to draw like a

1:09:30circle on a globe. It got like pretty

1:09:32crazy and wow.

1:09:33>> Yeah, I know. which is why like tens of

1:09:35millions of people attempted it, but it

1:09:37took almost a month for someone to win a

1:09:38million dollars. And like that there's a

1:09:40million dollars online and all you

1:09:41needed to win it was your computer. So,

1:09:43it was like pretty cool to see like

1:09:44communities form and like people are

1:09:45doing like daily like podcasts and

1:09:47updates on it of like what what the next

1:09:49like step of the puzzle were cuz what

1:09:51you'll see in these puzzles too is like

1:09:52uh cuz we also did one years ago. I love

1:09:54doing these like online scavenger hunts

1:09:56that with just your computer you can win

1:09:57a bunch of money and you'll see like

1:09:59when some like one person will will

1:10:00solve a thing and then hundreds of

1:10:03people will solve it right afterwards

1:10:04because they'll go post it on Reddit or

1:10:05they're working in groups and so it will

1:10:07be like stand still at like step 42 you

1:10:10know no one's there and then you'll just

1:10:11see one person goes on this website

1:10:13that's step 42 and then tens of

1:10:15thousands of people would go there and

1:10:16but then as you get closer to the end

1:10:18you you stop seeing that effect they

1:10:19start being more secretive and and quiet

1:10:21about it and so it's pretty cool to see

1:10:23like the psychology of how they do it.

1:10:24>> You could have these people completely

1:10:26unarmed in the beginning and the only

1:10:28way they can get guns is to solve

1:10:30puzzles.

1:10:31>> Yeah. Or just find them, right? Because

1:10:32if it's a big enough city, we just go

1:10:34>> Well, maybe that's the puzzle. The

1:10:35puzzle is finding guns. Like if there's

1:10:38some sort of a some sort of a puzzle and

1:10:40if you unlock that, it'll give you the

1:10:43location of where guns are.

1:10:44>> Yeah. Yeah. And maybe uh you know I I

1:10:48also think of like fun stuff too like we

1:10:50could give them like there could be a

1:10:51gun safe or armory in this city but it's

1:10:53like they have to like break into it

1:10:55right and that could just be a thing

1:10:56that takes like a ton of time like uh so

1:10:59they have to like go find you know I

1:11:01maybe one of the contestants we make

1:11:02sure is like uh certified in like

1:11:04explosives and stuff and there's they

1:11:05have to like oh no no no shot stream

1:11:08platform would be okay with this but it

1:11:09would be cool if we let them like

1:11:10there's like mixtures and stuff to make

1:11:12a bomb hidden throughout the thing and

1:11:13they have to go find it and he makes

1:11:15like a mock C4 and puts it on it and you

1:11:17know and then that's how they get in the

1:11:18gun safe. But maybe it's more like a

1:11:20what's it hacksaw or whatever and it's

1:11:22like we make we get a safe where if you

1:11:24hacksaw it for like 10 hours you you can

1:11:26like break the lock on it and get in. So

1:11:27then someone just has to stand there and

1:11:29hold it

1:11:29>> or you give people a stethoscope and uh

1:11:32a book on how to crack safes.

1:11:34>> True.

1:11:34>> And you have like click click click

1:11:36click click try to figure it out.

1:11:38>> Yeah. And someone's just like there for

1:11:40like two days straight. But then if he

1:11:41gets in it's just just straight loaded

1:11:43with ammo and stuff. So, it's like a

1:11:45riskreward.

1:11:46>> There are old school safes that you can

1:11:48do that too. I don't know if they could

1:11:49do it with the new ones,

1:11:50>> but if you have like an old school safe

1:11:52where you can actually hear the tumblers

1:11:54turning, click click.

1:11:56>> Well, we could also just build the the

1:11:57the lock. I mean, the beauty with the

1:11:59team like ours is like it it's possible.

1:12:01Just like get the safe that looks

1:12:03aesthetically how you want and then just

1:12:04replace the lock, right?

1:12:05>> Yeah. Just make it so that it's fix it's

1:12:08solvable, not complicated.

1:12:10>> Yeah. Yeah, that would be cool because

1:12:12then it's like well I'm a big fan of of

1:12:14when they have agency and so it's like

1:12:16you know it's like we could even lay it

1:12:17out there like this will take days to

1:12:19solve and so you could spend days going

1:12:21collecting guns or days making money to

1:12:23grow the prize pool or you could spend

1:12:24days trying to get lucky on this like

1:12:26safe that is doable but there's no

1:12:27guarantee you figure it out and having

1:12:29tons of stuff like that that's what like

1:12:31makes it interesting too for the viewer

1:12:32because you're like uh I love in these

1:12:34kind of reality shows where a viewer can

1:12:36ask what would I do right and and that's

1:12:38what tends to be what like uh people in

1:12:41families when they watch together they

1:12:42love like like in Beast Games when I

1:12:44offer someone a million dollars but you

1:12:45have to eliminate your friends you know

1:12:47sometimes people turn down the million

1:12:48dollar sometimes people take the million

1:12:50dollars eliminate their friends and like

1:12:51that's an interesting thing to go well

1:12:52if I was in their spot I don't care like

1:12:55it's a million dollars the point is to

1:12:56make money that's why I'm on the show

1:12:58take the million but other people see

1:12:59that and they're like no like my

1:13:01integrity is worth you know I wouldn't

1:13:02take a billion dollars over my integrity

1:13:04right and for you know and some people

1:13:05you know even though it's a a game show

1:13:07they're like no I I care you know And

1:13:09so, but giving them like these kind of

1:13:11dilemmas all throughout it, too. So,

1:13:13then as a viewer, I can be like, "Yeah,

1:13:15well, I wouldn't do that. I would just

1:13:16go scavenge, you know? It'd be cool."

1:13:18>> Also, you could make it so that ammo and

1:13:22certain supplies are only available at

1:13:24night.

1:13:26>> So, so they're incentivized to move at

1:13:28>> you have to go out. You have to decide

1:13:30whether or not it's worth getting

1:13:33caught, whether or not you can sneak

1:13:35around and grab the ammo. And then you

1:13:37also have to find it. You have to find

1:13:39the ammo, maybe find food, find

1:13:41supplies. Like supplies are left in

1:13:43duffel bags at night, you know, bro.

1:13:46There's so many ways we could take this.

1:13:48Something that would be cool is every

1:13:49night we move their pile of money into a

1:13:51random building that they don't know,

1:13:53but it's all pre-selected. So it's not

1:13:54we're screwing them. So like we as

1:13:56producers know the 10 buildings each

1:13:58episode. So then night comes, come in,

1:14:01lift up the money, we put like a

1:14:02helicopter literally lifts it up, puts

1:14:04it on top of a different building. So

1:14:05now they have to get set up in this

1:14:06building to defend it. But they they

1:14:08weren't planned on it. So that's why cuz

1:14:10also Yeah, that's the other thing. You

1:14:11have to make where every episode's not

1:14:12the same. So then now every night time

1:14:14would be different because they're in a

1:14:16different building and they don't know.

1:14:17>> Yeah, that's cool.

1:14:19>> Yeah.

1:14:20>> And finding like having like random ammo

1:14:24caches. Maybe during the day

1:14:27>> they have to solve the puzzle that lets

1:14:30them acquire a map and then they have to

1:14:33figure out where these random ammo dumps

1:14:36are and supply dumps are and food dumps

1:14:38are. So they're already hidden.

1:14:40>> Well, actually, you know what?

1:14:41>> But you have to go out at night to find

1:14:43them.

1:14:43>> What would be really cool is if we can

1:14:44find an abandoned city that had like

1:14:47miles away like some other little

1:14:48location that we could like So they find

1:14:50a map and it's like yeah on the other

1:14:52side of those woods but it's like a

1:14:5310-mi hike. You know what I mean? And so

1:14:55could you get there, go grab tons of

1:14:56ammo, and then get back before

1:14:58nighttime, right? And so then that's

1:15:00also like I'm a big fan of like seeing

1:15:01diversity and biodiversity so things

1:15:03don't feel repetitive. So then they're

1:15:04going to a different city, but they're

1:15:05million or whatever the prize pool is

1:15:07still in the other one. So you have to

1:15:08go and then come back to defend it at

1:15:10night. And so it's like now you get like

1:15:12you can like dual cut because you can

1:15:14have the people in the city, you have

1:15:15the people journeying through the woods

1:15:16and it's like interesting to cut back

1:15:17and forth. And then if they go out to

1:15:19that city and they make the journey and

1:15:21they realize this is going to take us 10

1:15:23hours to solve this. By that time it'll

1:15:25be 2:00 in the morning. It's already

1:15:26going to be dark. We should go back now.

1:15:28Look, no, [ __ ] it. We're here.

1:15:29>> Exactly. And agency, right? Do they do

1:15:32they stay and spend the night there and

1:15:33trust their friends and they have no

1:15:35maybe no walkie-talkie so they can't

1:15:36communicate and their friends are like

1:15:38holding down a fort with a million

1:15:39dollars on top and they're like where

1:15:41the heck are they? They're like and we

1:15:43get so many cool shots like that, you

1:15:45know? There's so I mean we've only done

1:15:47this in an hour, right? An hour or so.

1:15:49There's so many different possibilities

1:15:51if you just sat down and worked this. It

1:15:53must be so fun to do what you do, dude.

1:15:55>> Exactly. Well, this is see what we're uh

1:15:57doing right now is we're what I would

1:15:59call blue skying and we're we're not

1:16:00thinking about for the most part

1:16:02restrictions. We're just thinking about

1:16:03what to create content and a lot of

1:16:04that's lost. Like people in a lot of

1:16:06writers room, they'd instantly be like

1:16:07you can't do that or that's not possible

1:16:09or whatever. And it's like we're right

1:16:11now we're just figuring out what is the

1:16:12best show possible and then I'll just

1:16:14have people go figure out what is

1:16:16possible or not. And in reality

1:16:17everything we've said is possible. It's

1:16:19just certain things will require a

1:16:21little bit of time like the safe, you

1:16:22know, using a modern safe but changing

1:16:23the lock. That's possible. What does it

1:16:25cost and how long does it take? Right?

1:16:26And you just go through and you attach

1:16:27all that to everything and you do a very

1:16:29first principles way of going about it

1:16:31and it's just objective. It would take x

1:16:32amount of time. it would cost this much

1:16:34money and then like you know and then

1:16:35you just go through and figure out

1:16:36what's worth it, what's not as opposed

1:16:38to you know every step of the way people

1:16:40being like no you can't do that go ahead

1:16:41and redo it and it's just like a it

1:16:43seems obvious but I'm not really sure of

1:16:45many media companies that approach it

1:16:47like we do which is

1:16:48>> no well the thing about what you've done

1:16:50is you've built it from the ground up

1:16:53with yourself and with your team right

1:16:55so you've never had a bunch of

1:16:57executives telling you what you should

1:16:58be or shouldn't be doing and that's why

1:17:00it's so great

1:17:01>> it's like these a bunch you have

1:17:03creative people and then you have the

1:17:04business people. And the business

1:17:05people, they think they're creative, but

1:17:06they're generally not. And they want to

1:17:08tell the creative people what to do so

1:17:10that they can say, "That was my idea."

1:17:12And so then you get a bunch of people in

1:17:13meetings that give you terrible advice

1:17:15and terrible ideas. And then they also

1:17:17want to compare it to shows that have

1:17:19already been successful. Exactly. Well,

1:17:20we've already done this and why don't we

1:17:22do it this way?

1:17:22>> And then you don't get the purple cow

1:17:23effect, which everyone knows. And you

1:17:25these

1:17:25>> What's the purple cow effect?

1:17:26>> So if if you're driving down the road

1:17:28and you see a cow, who cares? You'll

1:17:29never think of it. But if you're driving

1:17:30around down the world a road and you see

1:17:32a purple cow, you're going to think

1:17:33about it like, "Why was that cow

1:17:35purple?" And it'll stick in your brain.

1:17:36It's the same thing with content. If

1:17:37it's a show you've seen multiple times

1:17:39or a format that's similar, you won't

1:17:40think twice. But if it's a purple cow,

1:17:41if it's something you've never seen,

1:17:43then you'll think about it again. And

1:17:44that's what's counterintuitive to how,

1:17:46like you were saying, most execs think,

1:17:47they think, well, we did this before,

1:17:49did well, repeat it. But it's actually

1:17:50the inverse of how you should look at

1:17:52it. And thankfully, that's why with

1:17:53Beast Games, I work with Prime Video

1:17:55because they just give us creative

1:17:56control and they're like, you know what

1:17:57you're doing, you can do it. But well, a

1:17:59lot everyone sees that creators are

1:18:01growing bigger and bigger audiences and

1:18:02so a lot of you know every platform on

1:18:04earth is trying to work with them and I

1:18:06can't count the amount of times like a

1:18:07creators worked with this streaming