Joe Rogan Experience #2522 - Tony Hinchcliffe

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0:12>> What's up? What's going on? What's

0:14happening?

0:14>> Chaos. I love it.

0:15>> Everything.

0:16>> Yeah. The world's crazy.

0:18>> Center of the storm. I think I think the

0:20world's back at war today again. Like

0:22officially,

0:23>> right?

0:24>> I don't know. I don't think that

0:26agreement with Iran lasted at all.

0:30>> Which one?

0:31>> I think there's there was bombings today

0:33in Lebanon and I think there's bombings

0:36today in American bases.

0:42>> I try to not pay attention, dude. I

0:44really do. I try to distract myself with

0:46science stuff and space. Uh, I was

0:49watching this documentary yesterday on

0:51how they make chips, like how they make

0:54like semiconductor chips. Dude, this

0:58[ __ ] machine that they use. I'm going

1:00to send you this, Jamie, because it's

1:01bananas. It's like one of the most

1:03complex machines in the world. And this

1:07this machine they use to make

1:09semiconductors, make chips. And they

1:11were explaining the process of making

1:13these chips, how [ __ ] nuts it is,

1:16man. the the amount of atoms that are

1:19stacked on and like the way they do it

1:21to make these like super complex

1:24high-end chips. There's people out

1:26there, Tony, that are doing things way

1:29different than us. Okay? We're out there

1:33talking about sucking dicks and

1:38people [ __ ] themselves. And what's

1:40going on in other parts of the world is

1:43people are doing science fiction. like

1:45they're they're actually doing science

1:46fiction. Uh here it is. Give me a

1:50second. I uh like to save things. Here

1:53it is. The world's most important

1:55machine.

1:57>> It's the one that's an hour long.

1:58>> Yes. Did you find it?

2:00>> Yeah. Just an hour long.

2:01>> Yeah. But go just go to the There's some

2:04animation where they show how they make

2:06these things. Like it was right where

2:09you were at.

2:10>> This is right at the beginning.

2:11>> Yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. So, they're just

2:13showing some of the um the different

2:16aspects of how these things are made.

2:18Look, go back to where that guy had the

2:20laser beam. That's perfect, actually,

2:21where that guy had the laser beam. So,

2:23this is him explaining this. So, look at

2:25this. Back it up a little bit and give

2:28me some volume.

2:30>> Can you back it up a little bit, please?

2:32>> I want to introduce it to you with a

2:34thought experiment. Imagine

2:37you are shrunk down to the size of an

2:39end and you're given a laser that's

2:42strong enough to melt through metal like

2:44butter. Next, a tiny droplet of molten

2:47tin, roughly the size of a white blood

2:49cell, is shot out in front of you around

2:51250 km hour. And your task is to hit

2:54this not once, not twice, but three

2:57times in a row in 20 microsconds with

2:59your little laser. Well, that is exactly

3:02what this machine does. It hits one tiny

3:05tin droplet three times in a row,

3:07heating each one up to over 220,000

3:10Kelvin. That's roughly 40 times hotter

3:12than the surface of the sun. And it

3:14doesn't just hit one droplet. It hits

3:1750,000 droplets every single second.

3:20>> How often do you miss a laser shot?

3:22>> We don't miss them.

3:24>> What? You do 150,000 laser shots a

3:27second and you don't miss one.

3:29>> Exactly. The same machine also contains

3:32mirrors that might just be the smoothest

3:35objects in the universe. If you scale

3:37one up to the size of the Earth, then

3:39the largest bump would be no thicker

3:41than a playing card.

3:42>> On top of that, it is able to overlay

3:44one layer of a chip perfectly on top of

3:46another and never be off by more than

3:48five atoms. And this is all happening

3:51while parts of the machine whip around

3:53at accelerations of over 20 GS. For 30

3:56years, almost everyone thought that

3:58actually building this machine was

4:00impossible. And yet, it exists. There is

4:04only one company in the world that can

4:06make it. So, what is this company? And

4:08what is this impossible machine they've

4:10built? This video is

4:12>> There you go.

4:13>> That's it.

4:14>> Wow.

4:15>> Yeah.

4:15>> What are they doing with that?

4:17>> All computers, like computer chips that

4:20are getting better and better and

4:21better. All these AI chips. This is how

4:23they make One interesting thing I can

4:25just add, I know when they make those,

4:27they make like a big sheet of chips, you

4:29know?

4:29>> Mhm.

4:30>> Like there'll be like 30 or 50 of them.

4:32They'll test each one in the ones that

4:35are the best, but test like one out of

4:37100. The ones that are like closest to

4:39100 become like the i9 chip. And if it's

4:41like uh 85 out of 100, it becomes like

4:44the i7 chip. So they all come off the

4:46same sheet. Like the best ones become

4:48the best chips. They sell them for the

4:49most money.

4:50>> The next ones are just a little

4:51degraded.

4:52>> No kidding. Interesting.

4:54So where there was that issue with that

4:56Samsung chip factory and it was about

4:59they weren't getting the results that

5:01they wanted. So it's probably they were

5:03getting more of the shitty chips

5:05>> and not enough of the perfect

5:06>> chips. They want really high-end chips

5:07and it's the real

5:08>> you can smoke. We have a fan in here,

5:10dude.

5:10>> Sweet.

5:11>> Um yeah. Uh, I mean, imagine if

5:16everybody died

5:18and it was just us in this room and

5:21there was like three late Well, be more

5:23than that. We'd have to have more

5:24people. Otherwise, we're going to [ __ ]

5:25up the gene pool. We're all going to

5:27look like the English royals. We need We

5:29probably need a few thousand people. A

5:31few thousand people like regular people

5:33like you and I that don't know [ __ ]

5:35about how these things work.

5:36>> Yeah.

5:36>> How much time would we need if we

5:39repopulated the earth with what we know?

5:41Basically, you're starting out like a

5:43[ __ ] like a halfass prepper, you

5:46know, like someone who's on an episode

5:47of Lost, you know, like a one of those

5:50plane crash people trying to figure out

5:51how to survive out there. You're [ __ ]

5:53>> Oh, yeah.

5:54>> You're not inventing that.

5:55>> Uh-uh.

5:55>> How long is it going to take?

5:57>> Infinity.

5:58>> And how many people have to pave the

6:00way? This is the thing. For every one of

6:02these people that makes uh an invention

6:05like this, you're making this on the

6:07back of thousands and thousands and

6:09thousands of [ __ ] super geniuses that

6:12have figured out each and every step of

6:13the way that can lead you to thinking,

6:16is this possible that we could do this

6:17next? You know, they all build on each

6:19other. So, you need all these guys and

6:23hopefully they don't get any [ __ ]

6:25because otherwise they're going to get

6:27distracted,

6:28>> you know? Well, I bet if one of them

6:30gets a hot wife, like one of their

6:31patents kicks and they they start making

6:34bank and then all a sudden he shows up

6:35for work in a Ferrari and next you know

6:37he's got a hot wife. Everybody's like,

6:39"Oh my god."

6:40>> Yeah. Civilization just went back 100

6:44200 years.

6:44>> We're going to lose Tim.

6:46>> Yeah.

6:48>> Tim Tim's taking Adderall, coding 18

6:50hours a day trying to figure out how to

6:52get us to Mars. Actually, that's a bad

6:55point because Elon clearly gets [ __ ]

6:57and doesn't seem to be affecting him at

6:59all.

6:59>> I think Elon's different.

7:01>> He's definitely different.

7:03>> Yeah. I mean, some people are different,

7:04different different.

7:05>> It's fascinating how many people want to

7:07find flaws in what he's doing

7:10>> instead of just looking at this like,

7:12wow, this is an extraordinary time to be

7:14alive. But it's because of this

7:15narrative that people have. uh one of

7:18them the big one is this US aid is

7:20killing people narrative that people

7:22have died because of US aid then a bunch

7:24of people have given examples of how uh

7:27them cutting the funding has led to the

7:29end of certain people's lives like where

7:31they were in hospitals that didn't have

7:32any funding and there's a lot of that

7:36that you could point to say right if

7:38they had the money they would have had

7:39the funding and they would have had that

7:40equipment in place or maybe they

7:42wouldn't have but here's the other thing

7:44that's not discounting the fact that a

7:46lot of that money is fraud.

7:48>> Yeah.

7:49>> A lot of it. Like it's not a little

7:51amount. And the idea that you should let

7:54it go on because it's going to save

7:56lives and there's a bunch of people that

7:58are stealing money. Okay, I see that

8:01argument. But why are we sending them

8:04money in the first place? Like wh what's

8:06Did we do something to them? Do we owe

8:08them money? No. Okay, we're just being

8:10nice. Are you sure we're just being

8:11nice? Is there anybody profiting of us

8:13off of us being nice? Cuz usually just

8:15being nice for no reason and just giving

8:18tax money away for no reason. I don't

8:20think they do that. I don't think that's

8:21real. I used to think that was real. I

8:23used to think that charity was real. And

8:25now I look at I go, "Oh, no, no, no, no,

8:27no, no, no. This is a giant scam that's

8:29wrapped up in virtue. It's wrapped up in

8:30a nice cozy blanket of being kind and

8:33compassionate and virtuous and doing

8:35good things for people all around the

8:37world." I think a lot of people get

8:38involved in those things because that's

8:40what they think. We're going to do good

8:42things around the world. They're good

8:43people. I really believe that. And then

8:46they find out how it really works and

8:47then they get stuck in that system and

8:49then they're making their way up their,

8:51you know, air quotes corporate ladder to

8:53the point where some of them are making

8:54a million dollars a year and you're

8:55like, what is this?

8:57>> Yeah.

8:57>> What is this? This is a business. This

8:59isn't really charity. Most of the money

9:01is going to your employees and your

9:03overhead and your why do you have such a

9:05big building? Like what are you doing?

9:08How come you're not just funneling the

9:09money to these people?

9:10>> Exactly.

9:11>> What? Like the LA fire aid. Yeah. Great

9:13example. Spencer Pratt told me how many

9:16what number did he say of nonprofits got

9:18that money? So over a hund00 million

9:20gets raised. I don't know the exact

9:21total.

9:23All of it goes to these different

9:25nonprofits. I think he said 200

9:28different nonprofits got the money.

9:31>> Yeah.

9:31>> So and then what happens to that? Well,

9:33they just pay their employees. They pay

9:35overhead. They pay their rent on [ __ ]

9:38nice office on wherever they live.

9:40>> Mhm.

9:41>> [ __ ] man. It's so disheartening because

9:43you you've so that's what all that stuff

9:46is and it's also if you listen to it

9:48when Mike Benz has been on my podcast a

9:51few times and explains us a

9:53people think of it as aid you think of

9:56it as oh we're helping the world which

9:58is great right but it's not that it's

10:00the agency for international development

10:02and it involves funding rap bands

10:06overseas that are uh the subversive rap

10:10bands that are supposed to uh excite

10:12people to take over the government.

10:14There's like a bunch of like weird [ __ ]

10:16funds rebels. It it funds newspapers.

10:19And what was he talking about? Like the

10:22there was a lot of it like funding rap

10:24music.

10:26Like this is crazy. People have

10:29long said that rap music even though

10:32listen you love hip-hop. I know you just

10:35got back from Kanye West. I'm a huge

10:37hip-hop fan.

10:37>> We got to talk about that at some point.

10:39>> We definitely do. I love hip-hop. Um,

10:41but there's some people that believe

10:43that gangster rap in particular when it

10:46came about in the 1980s was a part of a

10:50the push to popularize it and produce it

10:53was a a part of the government. some

10:56faction of the government, some faction,

10:58some intelligence agencies, wanting to

11:00create more crime, wanting to fill more

11:03private prisons, wanting to erode the

11:06fabric of society so they could push for

11:09more laws to keep you safer. This is

11:11like the one of the most tinfoily of

11:14tinfoil hat conspiracies. But people are

11:17pointing out that right now it's like

11:18one of the rare times where no rap music

11:21is on the charts.

11:22>> Yeah. And they're saying, well, how does

11:24this coincide with US A? Was US A like

11:27actively promoting rap music? Was that

11:30one of the reasons why rap music was so

11:32poss?

11:34>> Is that real? That can't be real.

11:37>> Maybe back in the day. It seems like

11:39that would be more manipulative. I I

11:42don't see how.

11:42>> I believed that until I heard mumble rap

11:44and I'm like, this makes this is not

11:46real. This is trying to make people

11:48stupid.

11:48>> Yeah. There's there's something about

11:50this, you know, and obviously some

11:52artists are better at it than other.

11:54Some of them are fun the way they do it,

11:56>> but I'm saying there's a giant chunk of

11:58them that are inaudible.

12:01>> You don't know what like who's who's

12:03into this?

12:03>> Oh, almost all of them are inaudible.

12:06>> Like what what's going on there? Imagine

12:08if like that was it. It was like uh

12:10people heard Nas and like this guy's too

12:12smart. Uh we got to dumb it down a

12:14little. We got to promote some people

12:16that could barely talk.

12:17>> Yeah. We got to promote some people that

12:19are on cough syrup apparently.

12:20>> Yeah,

12:21>> that's the Have you ever done that cough

12:22cough syrup?

12:23>> No.

12:23>> They seem to love it.

12:24>> Yeah.

12:25>> A lot of dudes who are into that that

12:27cough syrup, man. They they swear by it.

12:30>> It's crazy. It's got to be fun. It's got

12:32to be enjoyable.

12:33>> Is it codine? Is that what they're

12:35doing?

12:35>> I think so.

12:36>> Have you done it, Jamie?

12:38Bro, we talked about this before, but I

12:40remember um back in the 90s I got a hold

12:45of some Nyquil, the real Nyquil. Like I

12:49guess they changed the formula for

12:50Nyquil and uh I had you know whatever

12:53the flu or something and I took some

12:55Nyquil and I was laying in bed and I was

12:56like this is wonderful. Yeah,

12:58>> it was wonderful. like the just the

13:01warmth, the softness of the pillows and

13:03the warmth of the bed with the covers

13:05over me like, "Oh, this is wonderful."

13:08And I remember thinking, "Oo, this is

13:10dangerous."

13:11>> Oh, yeah.

13:12>> Like, this is a dangerous feeling.

13:14Because if your life was [ __ ] and you

13:16found that like that's better than

13:18anything else that's happening in your

13:20life.

13:21>> Yeah.

13:22>> And you can get it at CVS.

13:24>> Crazy. Crazy.

13:25>> Who was in the old Nyquil

13:27>> before they switched it?

13:29I avoid that stuff like the plague. I'm

13:31afraid of medicine.

13:32>> So, this stuff probably was like sitting

13:35in my house if I took it. So, it might

13:37have even been older than 97 or 98

13:40whenever this was that I was sick. But

13:42I'll never forget it cuz then I never

13:44get like getting scared like I could

13:47love this. Like I could just drink this

13:49during the day and just like sit on my

13:51back porch if I have the day off.

13:53>> Yeah.

13:54>> Just get obliterated with Nyquil and

13:56just enjoy the universe. I told you

13:58about that time I took a half of the

13:59pain pill that the dentist gave me for

14:01my wisdom tooth. I was like, "Oh, [ __ ]

14:03This is lifechanging."

14:04>> It says, "The earliest Nyquil formula

14:06include Ephadrin, which is a

14:09decongestant, docam,

14:12doc, docyamine,

14:15sisinate, which is an antihistamine,

14:18acetaminophen,

14:20dextro

14:22methorphan, cough suppressant, and about

14:2425% alcohol." Mhm.

14:26>> Oh, I was getting drunk, too.

14:27>> Mhm.

14:28>> Wow. Um, what changed the mid-200s after

14:32the combat methamphetamine at There it

14:34is. They removed pseudo epidurine. So,

14:38was that the stuff? So, it wasn't

14:40coding. But is there I think there is

14:42Nyquil with coding though, right?

14:45>> What I had was pretty good. I don't

14:48think it was as simple.

14:50>> Yeah. You had the stuff they could make

14:51mess out of or whatever.

14:53>> Yeah. Okay. Okay, we'll put it in

14:55perplexity

14:56and perplexity says in the mid 20ou.

15:00Yeah, Nyquil brands sold in the US do

15:02not contain codin and there's never been

15:04a standard Vix Nyquil with codin in its

15:08active ingredient lineup. Typical Nyquil

15:11form. So codin. So does any cough syrup

15:14have codin in it?

15:15>> That's what lean is. So you're talking

15:18about

15:18>> they add it

15:19>> or is it just prescription cough syrup?

15:21>> That was the whole thing about it.

15:23Maybe I am [ __ ] up my memory and

15:25maybe it wasn't Nyquil cuz whatever it

15:27was. It seems like

15:28>> you get [ __ ] up off Nyquil but you

15:30have to drink like the whole bottle. You

15:31get Nyquil like just get [ __ ] up.

15:33>> I definitely didn't drink the whole

15:34bottle. I I know I took a dose

15:37like a strong dose.

15:38>> I mean you're just getting [ __ ] up off

15:4025% alcohol and a little bit of a

15:42>> maybe

15:43>> a little bit of side mess.

15:44>> See the thing is it's so long ago I

15:46can't remember. I say Nyquil because

15:48it's like saying Q-tips.

15:49>> Yeah. you know, or Kleenex just because

15:51it's tissues or ear swabs. I don't know

15:54if it was Nyquil, but it was cough

15:55syrup, whatever the [ __ ] it was. And I

15:57felt wonderful. And I remember thinking

15:59like, this could be a real problem.

16:01>> Like that one day in bed, cuz I'm always

16:03scared of stuff like that. I'm always

16:04scared to get I knew too many people

16:06when I was growing up that got hooked on

16:07stuff. Yeah.

16:08>> And it just derailed their life. So

16:10lying in bed, I was like, "Oh, you're

16:11going to do this again. No more this."

16:14>> Right.

16:14>> I like it.

16:15>> Yeah.

16:16>> Yeah. I got a knee surgery once. They

16:19gave me morphine. They made morphine in

16:21a drip.

16:22>> And they say that you can only hit that

16:24button so many times it stops giving to

16:26you. Yeah. But every time you feel pain,

16:27you can just hit the button cuz I was on

16:29like a perpetual motion machine. Yeah.

16:31>> So my legs going and I'm just bang bang

16:34bang bang.

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17:29closest I come to that because I've

17:31never had like a serious surgery or

17:33anything, but I go to this uh they have

17:35a dental office here in Austin called

17:36the Austin Dental Spa. So their whole

17:40thing is like a luxurious

17:43dental experience and they will hook you

17:46up to laughing gas and they let you like

17:48if they're like they're like you want a

17:50little more and I'm like okay yeah and

17:52that's like the closest I get to it is

17:54once every 6 months or so I go there and

17:57dude I'm always excited about this

17:59[ __ ] experience. It is so awesome.

18:02>> Do you ever come up with bits after

18:04doing laughing gas to give you any

18:06ideas? No, but during the thing it makes

18:08me weirdly honest. You ever seen in Kill

18:10Bill when he shoots her in the knee with

18:12the honest gun cuz he was a chemist for

18:14like a living is like his secret job. So

18:17he comes up with this truth serum and

18:18I've noticed that it makes me like

18:20weirdly very honest. So one time when I

18:23was in the dental office, the guy's

18:25doing whatever and I'm like and I'm

18:28jacked on laughing gas cuz it's not

18:30really you're not really like cracking

18:32up. you're just like in heaven and

18:34you're like it's kind of smiling ear to

18:36ear. And I remember going like how long

18:38did you go to school for dental school?

18:40And he's like whatever the answer is

18:42like 8 years. And I'm like did you ever

18:43think about going longer and becoming a

18:45real doctor? And then I and I realized

18:47like kind of in the moment even though I

18:49was [ __ ] up like that's that sounds

18:51mean but I think they're totally used to

18:54it. I think they know that laughing gas

18:55makes people [ __ ]

18:56>> I bet they're not used to that dude.

18:58That's so mean. It's not supposed

19:01that's what I'm saying is it's like a

19:03dangerous

19:03>> a real doctor

19:04>> a dangerous truth serum.

19:06>> Some people want to be dentists.

19:08>> Yeah,

19:08>> we need them too.

19:10>> Yeah,

19:10>> you know

19:11>> crazy gig.

19:12>> Yeah,

19:13>> it's a weird one.

19:14>> I know. Imagine how much bad breath they

19:16smell

19:17>> and just weird things lodged in teeth

19:19for God only knows how long. When I got

19:22my root canal, um, one of the reason why

19:24I had to get it is cuz, uh, I had a cap

19:27on my tooth or a a filler, whatever it

19:30is. What's it called?

19:32>> Fillings.

19:33>> No, the when they just fill your tooth

19:34up. Why? Why can't I remember?

19:36>> Filling.

19:36>> Fillings. Why did I say filler?

19:38Whatever.

19:39>> Yeah. Uh, it was old school one, you

19:41know? It was like white plastic. And

19:43when I was a kid, I used to have them.

19:44They were like [ __ ] lead. They used

19:46to give you lead fillings, which is

19:47crazy. Like kids had lead in their

19:50mouth.

19:51Um, and it was hurting. It was bothering

19:53me. So, what had happened was uh I had

19:56cracked the tooth and it had gotten

19:58infected underneath the uh filling. So,

20:02he takes the filling out and drills into

20:03it and the smell

20:06>> that came out of my mouth. It was so It

20:10was pus. All this pus came out and this

20:13[ __ ] horrific smell.

20:16>> I was like, "Oh my god, is that coming

20:17out of my mouth?"

20:19>> Yeah. He's like, "Oh, that's normal.

20:20It's decay.

20:22There's an infection under here. We're

20:23going to treat it. You're going to be

20:24fine."

20:25>> Yeah. Piece of elk from seven years ago.

20:27>> This is a long time ago. This is a long

20:29time ago. It was before I was hunting, I

20:31think.

20:31>> But it was uh I you know, people die

20:34from that stuff, which is really crazy.

20:36Like, if you don't take care of your

20:37teeth and you get that kind of

20:38infection, those kind of infections can

20:41become septic.

20:42>> Yeah. Well, it's nuts. Sometimes I'll do

20:44a thing where I'll water floss after I

20:47brush my teeth just to see what would

20:49have been left in there if I just did

20:51what normal humans do cuz high pressure

20:55water flossers that I [ __ ] love.

20:57Complete game changer for life. And it's

20:59insane what will jet out of there with

21:02gets stuck deep in between the teeth and

21:04everything. And you know I think you're

21:06I would for the most part I do it before

21:08I brush but every once in a while I'll

21:09be like I wonder if there's anything

21:11left in there you know. Yeah, you have

21:13to floss. You're gonna get a bunch of

21:15[ __ ] stuck in there.

21:16>> But

21:16>> and even then, sometimes I'll regular

21:18floss and then brush my teeth and just

21:20out of curiosity go, I wonder if there's

21:22anything left in there. And I'll do a

21:24one silver with a water flosser and you

21:25see like ding ding ding, three little

21:27things come out. It's like that would

21:28have marinated

21:30>> in between my teeth or in the back of my

21:32gum line or whatever.

21:33>> Yeah, that's not good. But according to

21:35my dentist, he thinks it's all sugar. He

21:38thinks if you go back and you look at

21:40like when people started developing

21:42serious cavities, it's the people have

21:44always had abscesses and broken teeth

21:47and there's always been like dental

21:49problems that haunted people because

21:51back in the day, man, they just pull the

21:53tooth out and then who knows what kind

21:54of infection you still have in there and

21:56they don't treat it. In the 1700s, if

21:59you broke your tooth and got an

22:00infection, you could be [ __ ] dead,

22:02you know? You could die from that [ __ ]

22:03But he was saying that the the amount of

22:06cavities like steeply increased when

22:09people started putting sugar and

22:10everything and then kids started

22:12drinking sugary sodas and eating sugary

22:14candy and that stuff gets stuck in your

22:16teeth. It's like I think that's the

22:17cause of it.

22:18>> Yeah. And probably high fructose corn

22:20syrup's probably just as bad or if not

22:22worse than actual sugar.

22:24>> That stuff's not good for your body.

22:25That's for sure. Your body doesn't like

22:27it. Someone explained to me what's the

22:29difference in the absorption of high

22:30fructose corn syrup versus natural cane

22:33sugar. I completely forget how they

22:35explained it, but they were they were

22:36basically saying that there's some

22:37issues with how the body breaks it down.

22:40>> Well, when you drink a soda, just think

22:42about that. Where in nature do you get

22:4420 grams of sugar just in liquid form

22:48and you just pump it downug?

22:51Ah, refreshing.

22:53>> Crazy. My buddy that I uh went to school

22:55with just flew in from Hawaii, which is

22:58where he's lived for like 20 years. He's

23:00like he's like a wilderness guy. Climbs

23:03trees and cuts down his own pineapples

23:05and coconuts and stuff all the time.

23:06He's he's got a great life. And um he uh

23:11he checked a bag this trip just a few

23:13days ago. Um and he brought it to the

23:15mother ship because that's where we met

23:16up. And he surprised me with this

23:18checked bag that was like that had the

23:20moldings built in and everything. It had

23:22four coconuts and two white Hawaiian

23:26pineapples, I think they're called,

23:27which like run like $65 each or

23:30something in the US. Like it's

23:31impossible to get. And um according to

23:34him, I don't know. Uh he's a real

23:36hippie- dippy type.

23:37>> Is that the dude that you brought to the

23:38mother?

23:39>> Yeah, Anthony. Yeah.

23:40>> Your friend from high school, which is

23:42crazy.

23:42>> Yeah, he's the he's the man. He's just a

23:44real dude.

23:45>> That's crazy when you know people for

23:46that long.

23:47>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so this dude is

23:48just living in Hawaii, living his best

23:51life.

23:51>> And I I mean, holy [ __ ] these [ __ ]

23:54pineapple. He's like, "Dude, you're

23:55going to love this pineapple. Pineapple.

23:57Pineapple." He just kept going on about

23:59it. I'm like, "All right, okay." Sure

24:00enough. Holy [ __ ] [ __ ] man. It's

24:03nature can deliver you a sugar dose cuz

24:07he was saying that white Hawaiian

24:08pineapples have higher sugar but much

24:10lower acidity

24:12>> than what we're used to. So it makes a

24:14whole different and since obviously it's

24:16natural sugar and this and that. It just

24:17makes a whole different type of [ __ ]

24:19fruit. It's crazy.

24:22>> Sounds good.

24:22>> Wild how we have to go other places to

24:24get unbelievable [ __ ]

24:26>> Well, of course Hawaii.

24:27>> Yeah,

24:28>> Hawaii really should be its own country.

24:30>> Yeah,

24:30>> I listen. I love Hawaii. I'm glad

24:32they're protected by the United States.

24:34People are cool as [ __ ] It should be

24:36its own country. It's 5 hours by plane.

24:39>> I mean, come on, man. Yeah,

24:40>> white pineapples primarily known as

24:43sugarloaf or white jade pineapples.

24:46>> Highly prized rare variety grown in

24:48Hawaii. Unlike standard yellow, they

24:50feature creamy white flesh, particularly

24:52uh practically no acidity and a complex

24:55completely edible core.

24:57>> It was great.

24:58>> And [ __ ] he climbs a goddamn tree

25:01>> like a little [ __ ] monkey boy. Normal

25:04little white dude.

25:05>> How did he wind up in Hawaii? Uh, he's a

25:09real free spirit. He always was. I think

25:11he just went out there, visited, and

25:13stayed. He's the kind of guy that just

25:15gets a one-way ticket places, and

25:17figures it out as he goes. He's in

25:18Youngstown right now. That shows you how

25:20adventurous and crazy he is. He's like,

25:23I'm going to spend a week and a half

25:24there. I'm like, a week and a half in

25:26Youngstown.

25:27>> Why is he doing that?

25:28>> Visit family and friends? He said,

25:30>> is there a good hotel to stay at in

25:32Youngstown?

25:33>> No. And I even had to look this up

25:35recently because I'm like, I'm not

25:36staying at the crazy hotel that I stayed

25:39at last time I was there. So I'm like,

25:41best hotel in Youngsttown. And the

25:43funniest thing is the actual closest

25:45option was in Pennsylvania, like 50

25:48minutes away. Truly, I mean, there's one

25:51like Double Tree downtown, but it's in

25:54an area of absolute chaos. I mean, just

25:59death wish.

25:59>> Do you ever go back there and go, I

26:01can't believe I grew up here?

26:02>> Always. 100% of the time. I got a

26:05feeling for it immediately when I went

26:06to LA and I didn't hear police sirens

26:09anymore, like as often at least. You

26:12know what I mean?

26:13>> Isn't that funny? Like LA with LA's

26:15crime.

26:16>> That's what I always thought. I'm like,

26:17"Oh, this is going to be crazy. I've

26:19heard these Tupac songs. Like, this is

26:21going to be nuts." And it was

26:23>> That was US A.

26:24>> So peaceful. Yeah, exactly.

26:27So peaceful. In Youngstown, at least

26:29when I was growing up there, you could

26:30hear a police siren or an ambulance

26:33siren almost at any point of the day.

26:36>> God,

26:37>> my buddy sent me a shirt recently, too.

26:40Another one buddy um that has the stats

26:43on it of us being the murder capital. I

26:45think it was 90, 91, and 96 per capita.

26:50Not the biggest population,

26:52but per capita, it was the most

26:55dangerous place you could be. when I was

26:57in those most developmental years when a

26:59kid shouldn't be having his head next to

27:02the window. Yeah, there it is. I got

27:03that shirt.

27:05>> Wow.

27:05>> Fourtime defending champion, murder

27:08capital of America.

27:10>> Wow.

27:11>> Yep. In 01 02. That puts me as a

27:13sophomore and junior in high school.

27:16>> 9597. I'm 112.

27:18>> And you're being raised by your mom.

27:20>> Yeah. on the north on the craziest

27:24[ __ ] area of the whole goddamn thing.

27:26The most dilapidated part of the north

27:28side of Youngtown.

27:30>> Wow.

27:31>> Yeah. I can't believe it. That's why

27:34like every part of my [ __ ] story I'm

27:37like, "This is so goddamn weird." So

27:40weird.

27:40>> It is when you think about it, right?

27:42When you really stop and think about it,

27:44it doesn't seem real. 60 years ago, this

27:45Ohio city was named Crime Town, USA.

27:48>> Yep. Crime Town

27:50>> 75 bombings.

27:51>> Yep.

27:52>> Oh, this was the mob days.

27:53>> Yeah.

27:54>> So, it used to be a mob run town, right?

27:57>> Totally.

27:58>> They were called bomb town.

27:59>> Yeah. It was a Youngstown tuneup is a

28:02car bomb.

28:03>> Look at this. 75 bombings,

28:0611 killings in a decade, and no one

28:09seems to care.

28:11>> They were so nuts in Youngstown that

28:13somebody tried to kill the actual

28:15prosecutor, the actual DA. Oh, isn't

28:18that normal that they always try to do

28:19that?

28:20>> Well, it's kind of the stupidest,

28:22craziest thing you could do because then

28:24the entire FBI comes down on you. It's a

28:28little shortsighted to go, "Ah, we're

28:29going to kill the main cop of this city

28:32and not think that anything's going to

28:34happen from that. Well, we beat the

28:36game. We beat the main cop."

28:37>> Imagine trying to be an intelligent

28:40businessman and also a mob leader.

28:42Imagine like planning things out in

28:45advance and but also you're a mob

28:47leader.

28:47>> There was a lot of that going on and I

28:50got to see quite a bit of it. Like there

28:53were uh let's put it this way mall

28:55developers in Youngstown and things like

28:58that. And I got to see firsthand very

29:00young that they were communicating with

29:02politicians at lunchtime and stuff

29:05because I was working at this little

29:07Italian restaurant at the time right out

29:09of high school. and um and having they

29:14were having these quiet meetups in a

29:15quiet in the corner of a quiet Italian

29:18restaurant and you would see these huge

29:20moguls, you know, I won't name any

29:22names, but big business people in

29:24Youngstown meeting with the local this

29:26and that and congressmen. I got to meet

29:28that congressman and that congressman

29:30because they're there meeting with these

29:31super duper rich people. And I'm like, I

29:33wonder what the correlation is there,

29:35>> bro. Back then when there was no cell

29:37phones

29:38>> Yeah. And you know, they had to bug

29:41people. They have to They had to

29:42literally bug businesses to get

29:44information.

29:45>> Like they were all doing something.

29:47>> Oh yeah.

29:48>> You couldn't be involved in any big time

29:50business if you weren't down with the

29:52Teamsters. If you weren't down with the

29:54Long Shoreman,

29:55>> you had to you had to We got TO WORK

29:57THIS OUT, BOBBY.

30:00We're businessmen.

30:02>> That's That's how you did the business.

30:04>> Give a little money to their campaign.

30:06Not a little, but a bit. And then you

30:08can get your stuff passed and make life

30:10easier down the road.

30:11>> Dude, I had friends that had no show

30:13jobs.

30:14>> Wow.

30:15>> Yeah.

30:15>> Yeah.

30:16>> I had a friend of mine that had a

30:17no-show job in New York at the Javit

30:19Center.

30:20>> You know, the Javit Center is like a big

30:22convention center.

30:24>> He had a union no-show job.

30:26>> Wow.

30:26>> So, he was a mob guy.

30:28>> Yeah.

30:28>> And they they just gave him money.

30:30>> I only get a free check on the Sopranos.

30:32They had those no-show construction

30:34jobs. They're sitting there with their

30:36portable fans. Yeah. No, that's real,

30:38dude. That is a real thing.

30:40>> Yeah.

30:41>> There's They get a certain amount of

30:42jobs. Like they would make agreements.

30:45Like the union would make an agreement.

30:47We get a certain amount of these jobs.

30:48There's like, you know,

30:50>> it's crazy.

30:51>> There's really a hundred jobs, but we

30:53want 130.

30:56Uh, Youngstown was uh a haven for

31:00organized crime related corruption was

31:02ingrained into the fabric of its

31:04society. A 2000 publication, New

31:06Republic, listed a chief of police, the

31:07outgoing prosecutor, the sheriff, the

31:09county engineer, members of the local

31:11police force, a city law director,

31:13several defense attorneys, politicians,

31:16judges, and a former assistant US

31:18attorney as controlled by the mob.

31:21>> So if they have that, if they found that

31:25for sure, imagine how many others there

31:28are,

31:28>> right? That's everybody. That's

31:30everybody. the prosecutor, the sheriff,

31:32the county engineer, the police force,

31:34city law director, defense attorney.

31:36Imagine not being down with the mob.

31:39Like, do you want to stay alive? Like,

31:40do you want to work in this business?

31:42>> Right. And this is a city. I think we

31:44looked it up the other day, actually. I

31:45think it only has 25,000 white people.

31:48>> So, knowing that black people tend to

31:51not be in the Italian mob, just going

31:54off of 25,000,

31:57and that's current. I don't know what it

31:58was back in the day, but the point is is

32:00like it's not a big city.

32:03It's not I think 50 60,000 half or less

32:08white. So

32:09>> there's Tony.

32:11>> Yeah,

32:11>> there's little Tony watching pro

32:12wrestling.

32:13>> Oh yeah, pro wrestling. And even then I

32:15was obsessed with Good Fellas and a

32:17Bronx Tale and a Godfather because it's

32:19like it's just what you're taught is

32:22humanity. Like that's life.

32:24>> Yeah.

32:26So getting out of that and going to LA

32:28and thinking it was going to be all it's

32:30going to be crazy gangs and stuff and

32:32it's just quiet. Granted, I started in

32:34Burbank, which is a [ __ ] television

32:36studio essentially. But when I moved to

32:38New Jersey and I didn't have any money

32:40when I first moved to New York, I I

32:42couldn't afford to live in New in New

32:44York City or I didn't even have an

32:45apartment. I stayed with my grandparents

32:47cuz my grandfather lived in New Jersey

32:50in New York. And um he bought a house

32:53there in I think it was like the 1940s

32:56and they did a thing called

32:57blockbusting. Do you know what

32:58blockbusting is? They would go to door

33:00to door and they would say black people

33:02are moving into the neighborhood. You

33:03got to sell now. And everybody sold. It

33:04used to be an entirely Italian

33:06neighborhood.

33:07>> Uh and he was like I like black people.

33:08Get the [ __ ] out of here. And he kept

33:10his house but it was like one of very

33:12few families that stayed. And then black

33:15people moved out. And then they started

33:17getting like different people, Spanish-

33:20speakaking people, like Dominicans and a

33:22bunch of other. And that's how it was

33:23when I stayed with them. So this is like

33:29nu 91. Yeah, I was three years in the

33:32comedy, so it's probably 91. And uh

33:34while I was living with them, the next

33:36door neighbor's house got broken into by

33:38the cops. The DEA smashed down his door.

33:40The dude had an Audi parked in a

33:42driveway. He was selling crack like

33:43right next door to my grandpa.

33:45>> Wow. The whole neighborhood was just

33:46nuts, dude. Like he would get really

33:48nervous when I would leave. Like I would

33:50leave to go play pool somewhere and he

33:51like be careful. Like it was [ __ ]

33:54sketchy.

33:55>> Yeah.

33:57>> But it didn't used to be like when he

33:59first moved there. It was just an all

34:02Italian neighborhood.

34:03>> Yep.

34:04>> Real estate people even back like what a

34:06dirty thing to do.

34:07>> Scare people into moving. That's

34:10probably the first project of US Aid.

34:12That's probably

34:13>> Yeah.

34:15They probably got real estate people to

34:17destroy neighborhoods.

34:19>> There's something to it. I don't know

34:20the correlation of Italian neighborhoods

34:23being taken over, not taken over, but

34:26whatever by black people like the mobrun

34:30cities like Youngstown, like Chicago,

34:32like Detroit. Um,

34:35it's an interesting anomaly. I wonder if

34:38there's any correlation between the

34:39things. Well, you know, most of the

34:42Italians that came in the early 20th

34:45century were very poor. You know, they

34:47were all coming over here for labor or

34:49jobs and things along those lines. And

34:52um you know, when they started doing

34:54better, they you know, they started

34:56moving out and moving into the suburbs

34:58and moving into you know, more

35:00gentrified areas. It's always what are

35:03the new immigrants that are going to

35:04come and take over this area that was

35:06like formerly a lowincome Italian

35:09neighborhood or a lowincome Irish

35:11neighborhood. It's the same thing. Like

35:13there's cycles, you know.

35:15>> It's like there's cycles in fighting

35:16too. Like in the early 20th century,

35:19there's a lot of Jewish fighters like

35:22Slappy Maxi Rosen Bloom. You never heard

35:24of him, right? Some very good Jewish

35:26fighters. um because they were poor and

35:29there were the the new immigrants, you

35:31know, and this is like before World War

35:33II. And then in and even afterwards

35:37there was some but then you get

35:39Italians, you get a lot of Italians, get

35:41Rocky Marciano, Rocky Gratziano, there's

35:44a lot of like uh Jake Lamada, there's a

35:46lot of these like Italian bad

35:48[ __ ] because they were poor.

35:49>> Yeah. And then what happened? Then you

35:52got a lot of Puerto Ricans, a lot of,

35:54you know, it's always like who's the new

35:56immigrants,

35:57>> right?

35:57>> And who are the most hungry, come from

35:59the most povertyridden areas. Like

36:02Roberto Duran came from a terrible part

36:04of Panama. Like not terrible, but I mean

36:06like very poor, very violent.

36:08>> Yeah.

36:08>> And he was one of the baddest

36:10[ __ ]

36:10>> Boom. Manini was right down the street.

36:12>> Yep. Yeah. I mean, Youngstown's known

36:17for boxing.

36:17>> Yeah. Kelly Pav. Kelly Pavick, who's

36:20been on the podcast. He's awesome.

36:22>> Yeah,

36:22>> he was a beast, dude.

36:24>> Oh, man.

36:25>> That fight with him and Germaine Taylor

36:27won. Sometimes I still rewatch the end

36:29of that to

36:30>> How did he survive?

36:31>> Give me a burst of energy.

36:33>> I mean, how did he make it through that?

36:35That was a crazy I mean, he got dropped.

36:38He looked like it looks like the fight

36:39was over. And then when he's got him in

36:41the corner and he rocks him

36:43>> and you you go, "No way. He's coming

36:46back. This is crazy." Easy.

36:47>> This Did you watch uh the fights this

36:49weekend? Geron Boot Boots Enis and I

36:51forget the the dude he was fighting.

36:53>> No, I was at that concert. I missed it.

36:56>> Boots is very good. And for the most

36:58part, he beat his ass. But the third

37:00round he got rocked. The third round was

37:02incredible cuz he the kid he was

37:04fighting, who's the gentleman that he

37:05was fighting, Jamie?

37:06>> Zas.

37:07>> Zas. Yeah. Young kid. He uh got dropped

37:11in the second round like pretty bad.

37:12Boots is very good. He's like one of the

37:14best boxers alive. And then the third

37:16round, the kid came back and rocked

37:18Boots and it was just a war. Just the

37:20third round was incredible. Boots wound

37:22up stopping him. I think he stopped him

37:24in like the seventh or the eighth round.

37:26Uh he just dropped him one last time and

37:29the the re the corner called it. It was

37:31enough. Like he was getting his ass

37:32kicked, but he was very very valiant,

37:35you know. It was a really good fight.

37:37Like Boots is better than him. Like

37:38clearly he's like he's on another level,

37:40but this kid showed just tremendous

37:42heart. But it's like that third round

37:44was just coming back from getting

37:46dropped in the second. Like those kind

37:48of moments where a guy's getting [ __ ]

37:50up like like the Gachi Tapora fight.

37:52>> Yep.

37:53>> Perfect example.

37:54>> Yeah.

37:54>> Right.

37:55>> That's when it's really a fight.

37:56>> A a real fight cuz Toporia was on him in

38:01that second round,

38:03>> man. We were so close. They were in They

38:06were You could hear it.

38:07>> They Oh, you could really You could feel

38:09it where I was, man. And you know,

38:12obviously we're always close to the cage

38:14on those things, but then when gate when

38:17Turia was landing those body shots, it

38:20was right against our side of the fence,

38:22and I'm literally like, "Oh my." I mean,

38:25holy [ __ ] [ __ ] man. And I've seen a

38:28lot of people get ripped to the body

38:30before, but there is something about his

38:32close range strength in near that

38:35clinch, that close up [ __ ] range of

38:38Elia that is scary.

38:41>> He's so good, dude. He's so good and

38:43he's so precise. He just tried to like

38:47ch I always repeat this because Chail

38:49Son said it was perfect. If you try to

38:51win by knockout and fail, you won't win

38:53a decision.

38:55>> Yeah. And sometimes you just run out of

38:57gas because like you're not supposed to

38:58fight like that if you think that the

39:00fight's going to go five rounds. Like

39:02Ilia had him hurt and he's like, I can

39:03take him out. But Justin's so durable,

39:06man. He's so durable. And that left hook

39:11to the body, the sound of it, man, is

39:13just whip. It's so perfect. He throws

39:16perfect punches. His punches are just I

39:19mean even Justin said it in the

39:22postfight interview like when he's fresh

39:23his skills are unmatched. Like that's a

39:25crazy thing to say to a guy you just

39:27beat up and made stop. He stopped him in

39:29the fourth round.

39:30>> Yeah,

39:31>> that's crazy to say like his skills are

39:33unmatched. But they really are.

39:35>> Every point of that I'm at every point

39:37of that anybody I think that knows

39:39anything about those two fighters is

39:42going until this is stopped. Anybody can

39:45win this. Like even when his face was

39:48blown up and his eyes looked black and

39:50closed.

39:51>> Mhm.

39:52>> Until that air horn rings, I'm like

39:56anything. One punch. And we've seen it

39:58even with Gachi. You saw it with

40:00Holloway, right? Was it him? Who did he

40:03square up with in the middle?

40:05>> Holloway. Yeah.

40:05>> Yes. Hit him with that final punch.

40:07>> One chin. One with one second left. It

40:10can all be over.

40:12>> Yeah. That was a little different in

40:14that Holloway caught him with a jump

40:17spinning back kick to the face in the

40:19very last seconds of the first round and

40:22broke the bone of his nose.

40:24>> Um, we talked about it on the podcast

40:26and I was like that changed that fight

40:27because before that Gatei was pressing

40:30him and it looked very competitive and

40:32it looked like maybe Gachi had a slight

40:35advantage but that's cuz Max Max's very

40:38clever, very clever fighter. like he's

40:40always switching stances and moving and

40:42you know really hadn't showed that

40:44spinning back kick a lot that hadn't

40:45been a feature in a lot of his fights.

40:47He did it a few times but to for to for

40:49him to land it that way backing up jump

40:52to the face I mean it was perfect.

40:54>> Yeah,

40:54>> it was perfect. And his nose was [ __ ]

40:57And if you're fighting with a broken

40:58like a broken bone on your face every

41:01time you're getting hit you're getting

41:02just blasted.

41:03>> Yeah.

41:04>> You're the pain is insane. And then, you

41:07know, he had, you know, he was a step

41:10behind Max. Max is teeing off on him. He

41:12landed some good shots, though, even

41:14though it was a good fight. I mean, Max

41:16was definitely ahead in the fifth round,

41:18but it was a good fight. And then, you

41:21know, during that wild exchange, he

41:22should have never done that.

41:24>> Yeah,

41:24>> he was already fading, whereas Max was

41:26still very fresh.

41:29>> [ __ ] crazy fight, man.

41:30>> Yeah,

41:31>> that was a crazy fight. I think

41:32Topiria's nose was broken in round two.

41:36I think it was pretty early on and uh

41:40>> hard to say.

41:40>> Yeah.

41:41>> You know, but uh Justin did clip him

41:42with a bunch of those uppercuts. So

41:44Justin does this thing where he like

41:46collar ties you and then throws an

41:48uppercut in tight. And he's really good

41:50at it. He's really good at like turning

41:52you a little and then throwing an

41:53uppercut. In these exchanges, he collar

41:56ties and uppercuts. He caught him a few

41:58times and you just get one of those on

41:59the [ __ ] nose on the old schnozle.

42:02This thing's so brittle.

42:04>> Yeah.

42:04>> It's such a If you feel your nose, just

42:06feel it.

42:07>> Have you ever seen Morab's nose?

42:10>> The X-ray of Morab's nose. You never

42:12seen it.

42:13>> I sent it to you, right, Jamie?

42:14>> Jamie, you'll find it.

42:16>> It's crazy. Look what it looks like.

42:19>> Oh my god.

42:20>> Look at that.

42:21>> Oh [ __ ]

42:22>> bro.

42:24Jeez.

42:24>> That thing is destroyed. I mean, it's

42:27destroyed. He's getting zero air out of

42:29that. He's got the best cardio on planet

42:30Earth, and he's getting zero air out of

42:33his nose.

42:34>> Wow.

42:34>> But he won't get it fixed cuz if he gets

42:36it fixed, he he can't fight for like a

42:38year and he just wants to keep on

42:40trucking.

42:41>> Yeah,

42:44>> that dude's a freak.

42:45>> If I was his friend, I would say, "Dude,

42:46you got a lot of money. You're a world

42:49champion. Fix the nose. Let's fix it.

42:51Let's take a year off. Come back and

42:53[ __ ] these [ __ ] up." Cuz if

42:55that guy's got a fixed nose, he's got

42:5710% more cardio. Are you crazy? That guy

43:00with 10% more cardio. That's an extra

43:02weapon.

43:03>> I would get it fixed. But the problem is

43:05if he gets it fixed and then like he

43:07fights a guy like Hollow and he gets

43:08jumping spinning back kicked to the nose

43:11in the first round and it's shattered as

43:12again, then he's kind of [ __ ] Because

43:14if they have to fix it again, then they

43:16might have to start taking pieces of

43:18your rib out and reconstructing your

43:20nose and grafting bone and doing weird

43:24[ __ ] And then sometimes that [ __ ]

43:26doesn't take and sometimes it gets

43:28infected and then you have a bone

43:30infection on your face and what do they

43:32do then? Then they have to remove your

43:33nose. Is that what they have to do?

43:35>> [ __ ]

43:35>> God.

43:36>> Scary [ __ ] man.

43:37>> Very much so.

43:38>> These [ __ ] dudes, man. That is a

43:40crazy job to risk your life, risk your

43:44health, risk your bones. You You're

43:46making a living by trying to damage

43:48another person who's trying to damage

43:50you.

43:51Nuts. But it's also why it's the most

43:54exciting [ __ ] in the world to watch.

43:55>> Exactly.

43:56>> So exciting.

43:57>> Yeah.

43:57>> Even boxing as, you know, tamed in

44:02comparison to MMA because there's less

44:04weapons and less options and a lot more

44:06padding.

44:07>> Yeah. You don't get the chokeouts, the

44:09crazy chokeouts.

44:11There was a crazy choke out this

44:12weekend. Um, his name is Ruseov and he

44:16fought uh God, how do I say his last

44:19name? He fought this Russian cat and got

44:21him Russian or Ukrainian, I forget. Um,

44:23but he got him in a rear naked choke and

44:25and put him to sleep. And it was one of

44:27those ones where the guy looks dead.

44:28He's like lying there. I mean, it was a

44:30[ __ ] nasty choke, man. And yeah, like

44:33and it's Look at him.

44:34>> Oh yeah, I saw that.

44:37>> It was dark, dude.

44:38>> It's another meme out this week along

44:39with the W girl pointing.

44:41>> What's his name,

44:44>> bro? It was nuts.

44:45>> The memes on these things are nuts

44:46nowadays. Oh, the internet is

44:48undefeated.

44:49>> Oh, it's crazy.

44:50>> They're so good at memes. Oh my god.

44:51>> There's so many people out there working

44:53jobs that they hate

44:54>> that are smart and funny.

44:56>> Yep. We were talking about it the other

44:59day, but you you've have you caught up

45:01with any of those WNBA what's her name?

45:03The girl that's pointing at

45:04>> Sophie Cunningham.

45:05>> Yeah.

45:06>> Yeah. I've been um paying Can you put

45:08that thing in the middle? Put the

45:10ashtray in the middle. Um, I've been

45:12paying attention very little, but one of

45:14the things that I did watch is all the

45:16fowls. Like these [ __ ] throw each

45:19other to the ground. They and they poke

45:21each other in the eyes.

45:23>> Like they do this. They literally jab

45:25each other in the eyes. It's crazy. Like

45:28they they foul and also they travel so

45:31much.

45:31>> Oh, it's crazy.

45:32>> They take like four or five steps and

45:34then no one calls them on it.

45:35>> Oh, yeah. double dribble everything.

45:38>> Is there a trend now to not call

45:40traveling?

45:42>> Yes, without a doubt. In the actual NBA,

45:45it's a thing too.

45:46>> There's it's hard to get into this

45:48without going way into like the weeds,

45:50but the NBA has a technically different

45:53rule than college and like high school

45:54and everyone else where there's they

45:56call it a gather step and they

45:57definitely would call it in high school,

45:59>> but they work all day manipulating it

46:02with the referee watching them saying

46:03like you can do that but you can't do

46:05that. you can do this, but you can't do

46:06that. And so, like, they've got it to a

46:08place where everything they're doing

46:10looks like traveling and dribble double

46:11dribbles, but guys will break it down in

46:13slow-mo and you'll be like, "Well,

46:14technically it's not."

46:15>> Cuz weird. I always thought if you took

46:18a step, you had to bounce the ball.

46:19>> Yeah,

46:20>> that's how it should be.

46:21>> You're allowed to.

46:22>> Doesn't it seem like that should be how

46:25it is? When you see guys taking four

46:26steps, you're like, what's going on?

46:28>> But do you want to see exciting

46:29basketball or not?

46:30>> Yeah, I do.

46:32>> All right. Well, then just let the

46:33referees call the game how they call it.

46:35>> But I think there's something exciting

46:36about you having to bounce that ball

46:38because you won't be able to score as

46:40much, right?

46:41>> Correct.

46:42>> Like if you have to bounce it every two

46:44steps, whatever it is.

46:45>> I wish I loved the NBA like I did when I

46:48was a kid and [ __ ] Barkley and Jordan

46:50and Ewing and all these people were

46:53physical. It is just a whole different

46:55game now.

46:56>> So back then was it traveling like when

47:00the Larry Bird days?

47:01>> Hell yeah. Unless Jordan talked to the

47:03ref and said, "Yo, you're wrong. Let me

47:05do what I want." And then

47:06>> Well, Jordan had the cheat code where he

47:07would leap from the [ __ ] free throw

47:10line. That is so when I've watched

47:12videos of that, it doesn't even look

47:14real.

47:15>> He was such an amazing athlete.

47:18>> He was so good and so possessed by his

47:21desire to win. He would do things that

47:24you would just go, "How does a person

47:26fly?"

47:27>> Yeah,

47:28>> dude. Imagine if he was like a like one

47:30of those jumpers, those long distance

47:32jumpers. He'd probably have an insane

47:33jump.

47:34>> Yeah,

47:34>> because he he's going from the free

47:36throw line in the air.

47:38>> That's crazy.

47:40>> Everything he did was crazy. The way he

47:42did things, the way he practiced,

47:44everything.

47:45>> Yeah. And did he not make his college

47:48team?

47:48>> No. That's

47:49>> high school team.

47:50>> No.

47:50>> Wasn't there like one year

47:52>> when he was a freshman? He didn't make

47:53the varsity team.

47:54>> That's what I'm saying.

47:55>> Yeah. That's most freshman don't.

47:58Perfect. May have changed basketball

48:00history forever.

48:01>> Most freshmen don't. That doesn't make

48:02sense because they're not even developed

48:03yet.

48:04>> Yeah, that's plan.

48:05>> I know kids in Texas, they keep their

48:07kids back a year.

48:08>> Wow.

48:09>> They want their kid to be bigger.

48:11>> I want Billy to be the biggest freshman.

48:13I want him to be a 15year-old freshman.

48:15We're pushing for right before his 15th

48:17birthday. Like, hey, 15's a sophomore.

48:20Billy's a [ __ ] cheater. Why you

48:22sandbagging Billy?

48:23>> Yeah. that it doesn't bother me nearly

48:26as much in a sport like football where I

48:29see what you're doing like you're

48:30preparing a kid for a professional

48:32future perhaps. Especially in Texas,

48:35they're very into it down here. But if

48:36it's a wrestling, it's like, hey,

48:39>> yeah,

48:40>> hey, there's [ __ ] no money in this

48:42and that kid's 16 and he's in the ninth

48:44grade.

48:46>> Yeah, it's nuts.

48:48>> How is the How old is the oldest that a

48:51kid can be and compete in high school

48:52sports?

48:56Jamie,

48:57>> please put that into our sponsor

48:58Perplexity. Let's find out. I wonder if

49:01it varies by sport.

49:03>> Definitely by sport and by state.

49:06>> Interesting.

49:08Do they all have a cap at 18 or do they

49:11allow you to compete at 19? Yeah,

49:13there's going to be a But before I even

49:15hit enter, I know it's going to say

49:16something about like your graduating

49:18class can't be out maybe more than like

49:20two years or something like that in case

49:21you got held back or you had an injury

49:23or something like that.

49:24>> Boy, I remember from my days of being

49:28like 17 and 18, the difference between

49:3017 and 19 was huge.

49:32>> Oh yeah.

49:32>> It's a big difference.

49:34>> [ __ ] yeah.

49:34>> By the time you're 19, you're basically

49:36man strength. You 17 I was like a boy

49:39still.

49:40>> Yeah. you know, like I was flimsy. 17

49:44was like a flimsy kid. By the time I was

49:4519, it was it's a different animal. You

49:47You've got two more years of training

49:49and testosterone in you.

49:51>> Yeah.

49:51>> If you're a wrestler, that's got to be a

49:53huge advantage.

49:55>> Every advant everything in wrestling is

49:57a huge advantage. Starting one year

49:59earlier is crazy.

50:00>> Huge. Huge advantage.

50:02>> 19 based off of certain

50:03>> Oh, bro, that's so rude. making

50:0619year-olds wrestle against like

50:08possibly 15 year olds is crazy, right?

50:11So, if you are like in a certain weight

50:13class that's not strong, like I wasn't a

50:16good wrestler. I was a pretty good

50:17wrestler, but I started I was on the

50:19varsity team at my high school and uh

50:23like one year I didn't even cut weight

50:24or one one weight class I didn't cut I

50:27was I there was a guy that was below me

50:29at like 126 or 128 and he was better

50:32than me and so the next available weight

50:35class was 134 which is I that's what I

50:37normally weighed when I was 15 so I just

50:40wrestled at 134.

50:41>> That's lovely.

50:42Well, I could have been in there with a

50:4419-year-old [ __ ] animal who weighs a

50:47buck 60 and dries himself out briefly to

50:50hit 134. And there was guys like that,

50:52man. You would see them at like the

50:54states and you go, "What the fuck?"

50:56>> Yeah.

50:56>> And they were going to camps, so they

50:58were wrestling 365 days a year, all year

51:01long.

51:01>> Oh, yeah.

51:02>> I just started. I didn't know anything.

51:04>> Same. I started as a freshman in high

51:06school and got [ __ ] up.

51:08>> I didn't even start as a freshman. I

51:09started as a sophomore.

51:11I started as a sophomore because some

51:13kid kicked my ass in the locker room.

51:14Some some kid grabbed me in a headlock

51:16and threw me to the ground and didn't

51:18punch me. He could have punched me.

51:19Decided not to. But I was so humiliated.

51:21I was like, "Oh my god, I need to learn

51:22how to wrestle."

51:23>> Mhm.

51:24>> Then I also wrestled in the park like in

51:27the grass with my friend Stephen and I

51:28thought I'd be able I was a good

51:30athlete. I was doing karate. I was like,

51:31"He can't take me down." He took me down

51:33instantly. I was like, "Oh no, this is

51:35terrible."

51:36>> Yeah. It's a whole different beast. It's

51:38also like how tired you get. I remember

51:41thinking I used to think that I had

51:43worked out before that because I'd, you

51:45know, taken karate classes and done some

51:47taekwondo. I thought I'd worked out.

51:49>> You don't even know what working out is

51:50until you go through a wrestling

51:52practice. You're like,

51:53>> "We're running stairs. What? What? We're

51:55carrying guys around the wrestling room.

51:58You pick up your partner, your training

51:59partner, you have the firemen carry them

52:01around the [ __ ] room."

52:02>> Yeah.

52:03>> Oh, Jesus Christ. Then you're doing

52:04push-ups and sit-ups to puke. And then

52:06you're doing live drills. [ __ ]

52:09>> Non-stop,

52:10>> dude. Animals.

52:12>> Yeah, we would rotate

52:14uh you know, there's all those different

52:15weight classes and just for shits and

52:18giggles, you know, one of the drills

52:19was, you know, escape from the next guy.

52:22All right. Beep. Whistleblows escape.

52:24You're on bottom. You have to get out

52:26the next guy. So sometimes I at a 103

52:30weight class I would have Hugh Frost who

52:32was I think 235 245 250.

52:37>> Oh yeah. Just for one drill and it's a

52:39[ __ ] joke. It's a pancake and he

52:42would probably he was probably showing

52:43mercy at the time obviously but not

52:45really cuz he doesn't want to he doesn't

52:47want to let this little [ __ ] [ __ ]

52:49103 out from under him. So he's you know

52:51putting enough pressure to keep

52:53everybody there. Not to mention the 165

52:56freak of nature made of muscle and the

52:59185, you know, it was just a drill. But

53:02that reality hits hard. That's how you

53:04see the difference between 15 and 17 and

53:07all that.

53:08>> And someone who actually really knows

53:09how to wrestle and just wrestler

53:11strength. Like I always tell people, if

53:13you want to look at MMA, like what is

53:15the most important skill? The the the

53:18foundation is wrestling. The foundation.

53:20If you wanted your kid to be a badass

53:22fighter, you're like, "My kid really

53:24loves fighting. He thinks he wants to do

53:25it, but I want to prepare him right,

53:26which I do." Teach him how to wrestle,

53:29get that kid into a really good

53:30wrestling program. Because if you have

53:32advanced wrestling, you look at how it

53:34shuts down so many fighters. Like look

53:37at what Hamzot did to Dreus Dupacy.

53:40Hamza, he just raged all them. His

53:43wrestling is at such a high level. And

53:45Dus, who was a world champion, couldn't

53:47do [ __ ] to stop it. He just dragged him

53:49to the ground anytime he wanted to. Got

53:51him in a crucifix like three times.

53:52>> Morab against Ali. I mean,

53:55>> exactly. Exactly.

53:57>> You were watching a guy that does a no

54:00look right hand knockout punch into a

54:03salute. No look at his opponent,

54:06>> right? Get I mean, it's just impossible.

54:10It It appears impossible in every Kabib

54:12fight. The thing I always think about

54:15first when I think about Kabib fighting

54:17is him being on top and having his feet

54:20under the other dude's feet, which is

54:22just that's it. It's the final level

54:24when you can't even begin the process of

54:29posturing out in any way. You are

54:31nothing. You are a tissue in an octagon

54:34with a man

54:34>> and he's wailing on your face.

54:36>> He's wailing on your face and he has

54:38your legs triangled underneath his legs.

54:41It's always funny when UFC or when

54:44casual UFC fans uh don't understand

54:48those little things like that that

54:50aren't even part of the fight. They're

54:51looking up here waiting to see if the

54:53punches are going to rain down.

54:55>> Yeah.

54:56>> But the positioning of his feet is what

54:58I'm always looking at and how scary it

55:01can be here.

55:03>> He's not even doing it right.

55:04>> He's hell on top of people. He is right

55:05here.

55:06>> But that leg being thrown is torture.

55:08It's all the weight is

55:10>> nothing you can do. There's just nowhere

55:13to go. And all that weight on those

55:15hips, people don't realize,

55:17>> like I notice immediately if I ever see

55:19somebody that's kind of on top and their

55:20knees are on the ground. Like if you

55:23look, his right knee isn't on the

55:25ground. It looks like it might be.

55:26>> And look how he keeps slamming those

55:28left hands into Johnson's head. I mean,

55:30he got hit with like 15, 20 unanswered

55:33full force left hand blows.

55:35>> Just holding his arms so he can't move,

55:36>> bro. He's horrible. He was horrible. He

55:38was so good. Khabib was so good. And he

55:41would do this to world class fighters,

55:42man. And by the way, Johnson clipped him

55:44in that fight, too. It was one of the

55:46few times in his career where he got

55:48clipped.

55:50>> One that looked really frustrated. Who's

55:52the Who's the one that looked super

55:53frustrated in that?

55:54>> Barbosa.

55:55>> I'm asking. I don't remember who it was.

55:57>> Barbosa was one of them. But I mean, a

55:58lot of guys who fought Kabib look

56:00frustrated because there's not a damn

56:01thing they could do. Nope.

56:02>> Barbosa was like early in the first

56:04round, he had that thousandy yard stare

56:06was like, "Fuck, like I have to go

56:08through three rounds of this where they

56:09just give up on the idea that they can

56:11even win."

56:11>> Yeah.

56:12>> Like all you're doing is trying to

56:13survive.

56:15>> Yeah.

56:15>> He was a monster, dude.

56:17>> Like that. His leg being trapped is

56:20nuts. And look how he's scooting with it

56:23>> and he's just slamming punches. And you

56:25get up, he's just chasing you.

56:27>> I got the gun right back down. I

56:28thought,

56:28>> but if you get up, he's just gonna

56:30[ __ ] chase you and drag you to the

56:31ground again. So, you blew all that

56:33energy to get up. The moment you try to

56:34punch or throw a kick, he's on you.

56:37You're on your back again. Punch to the

56:39face. Punch to the face. Yeah.

56:41Wrestling's giant. It is the the biggest

56:44skill.

56:44>> Yeah.

56:45>> You have to know how to do everything

56:46else, too, nowadays, cuz all these kids

56:49that like you see in the Contender

56:50Series, these young guys coming up, man,

56:52they're all so [ __ ] talented.

56:55He tried to wheel kick them. And really

56:58more than anything, I feel like

57:00wrestling, being out wrestled and being

57:02just trapped on the ground is so

57:04psychologically demoralizing when you've

57:06been training for a UFC fight and the

57:08crowd is out there and the lights are on

57:10you and you see the logos on the mat cuz

57:12you're facing it.

57:13>> Back that up a little bit. Let me show

57:14you something here too. What's What's

57:16interesting here before that before the

57:17clinch. So after he throws the wheel

57:19kick like Barbos is trying to win,

57:22right? This is the third round. He's

57:23trying to win and he throws this W. But

57:25look, no, go before that. When he throws

57:28the kick, here it is. So, he throws the

57:30kick and misses. He's so tired now that

57:33when Khabib moves for him, he clinches.

57:36Look, he instigated the clinch. Instead

57:38of pushing away, instead of circling to

57:40his left, he clinched cuz he's so tired,

57:42dude. He's so tired. And this dude just

57:45Look at that face.

57:46>> He just drags him down to the ground

57:48again.

57:49>> Twoon one on that arm underneath him,

57:52>> weights being thrown in. He doesn't know

57:54what to do with his legs. He actually

57:56just put his foot above Kabib because

57:58it's so confusing. All that weight on

58:01you. You don't know where to even begin

58:04to start getting up.

58:05>> Well, he's the first thing he's got to

58:06do is get that left leg free. And he's

58:08not going to.

58:08>> That was the part before the crawling

58:10thing.

58:10>> He's a He was a monster. He was a

58:12monster

58:13>> and retired undefeated.

58:15>> Yeah. And there's something to being on

58:17that mat, not being able to move,

58:19knowing that the clock is ticking, and

58:22this is not how you picture this going.

58:24>> Not only that, this is with the current

58:26rules where I think there should be no

58:29stand-ups. I think the only time there

58:31should be a stand up is when there's a

58:32foul.

58:32>> Yeah, I completely agree with you. I

58:34hate it when they stand people up.

58:36>> Even if it's boring. I get it's boring,

58:38but the guy can't get up and this guy's

58:40holding him down. So, he's winning. Yes,

58:42he's winning. See, I know he's not doing

58:44enough. What does that mean? He's biting

58:46his time. You've got to let a guy have

58:49strategy. Like when Muhammad Ali did

58:50rope a dope against George Foreman,

58:53imagine if the referee's like, "You've

58:55got to punch back if you don't punch

58:56back." No, he's he's got a strategy.

58:58Strategy is let George Foreman burn

59:00himself out and then eventually tee off

59:02on him. And that's what he did.

59:04>> Yeah. It stinks that referees can let

59:06the crowd get in their head.

59:08>> Well, it's the the organization wants

59:10action, too. The fans want action. A lot

59:13of people disagree with me and I

59:15understand their point. I understand

59:17their point. Especially if you're a

59:18casual like it's gay. Get them up. Make

59:21them fight. They don't want to fight.

59:22They want to hug. Boo. Right.

59:25>> So what? So what? This is the sport. And

59:27if that guy who's on top, who's biting

59:30his time and recovering, then decides,

59:32okay, now's the time. Let me start

59:34dropping some bombs because I've

59:35recovered.

59:37>> Good. Well, he held the position and he

59:40recovered his energy and now he's

59:42winning. Like, let him [ __ ] fight.

59:44LET HIM FIGHT. GET OUT OF THERE. GET OUT

59:46of there.

59:47>> Yep.

59:48>> There shouldn't be stand-ups.

59:49>> And I get it. The referee gets that

59:51cheer from the crowd. You know, it feels

59:54rewarding.

59:55>> Sometimes when they stand fights up, I

59:56get excited.

59:57>> Yeah.

59:57>> I go, "Yeah, yeah,

59:59>> here we go.

59:59>> That striker has a chance."

1:00:01>> But my position is still the same. I

1:00:03don't think they should stand him up.

1:00:04I'm worse than that. I think they should

1:00:06start each round where they lost the

1:00:08last round.

1:00:09>> Oh, I love that.

1:00:10>> That's great.

1:00:11>> So, every round, why do you get to stand

1:00:12up? Why do you get that advantage that a

1:00:14striker gets of standing up when you

1:00:16didn't earn it?

1:00:17>> Get back down there.

1:00:18>> Yeah,

1:00:18>> get back down there. Crucifix. Why' you

1:00:20have to start the round off in a

1:00:22crucifix?

1:00:23>> Yeah, that's how the end round ended.

1:00:25They look at the big screen, get a

1:00:26freeze frame of the position, referee

1:00:28sets you in the exact position and says,

1:00:30"Ready, fight."

1:00:32>> Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:33>> I love that.

1:00:34>> Yeah. [ __ ] off. That's what the sport is

1:00:37supposed to be. And sometimes it's going

1:00:39to be boring. Yeah. But that's real

1:00:41though. At least it's real cuz there's

1:00:44been a lot of fights where the guy got

1:00:45taken down in the first round, starts

1:00:47out the second round, and blasts the guy

1:00:48and knocks him out. And it's like, okay,

1:00:51it's exciting to watch, but he didn't

1:00:53earn that position. He just got that

1:00:54position because the other guy survived

1:00:56the first round. And so it's like, it's

1:00:58one fight. It's not five fights,

1:01:00>> right? So, I think it should be one

1:01:02continuous fight with a one minute break

1:01:04in each round.

1:01:05>> Yeah. That'd be like if the team losing

1:01:07automatically got the kickoff after

1:01:09halftime or something like that.

1:01:12>> Yeah. And look, guaranteed if uh I was

1:01:15running the UFC, it would probably go

1:01:16bankrupt. I'm not the right guy. I don't

1:01:18know what the [ __ ] I'm talking about.

1:01:20I'd be a terrible promoter.

1:01:22I'd be too honest about stuff. And I'd

1:01:24want to give people fights that maybe

1:01:26they weren't the most exciting fighters,

1:01:28but they were above the other person in

1:01:30the rankings.

1:01:31>> I I think the rankings should be the

1:01:33whole reason why you make fights.

1:01:37>> Sami Zayn won the Universal WWE

1:01:39Championship over this weekend at a big

1:01:41pay-per-view.

1:01:42>> I have no idea who that is, but I'm

1:01:43happy for him.

1:01:44>> Shocked Cody Rhodess,

1:01:46>> who was it who was like a guaranteed

1:01:48win.

1:01:48>> I wonder what happened.

1:01:49>> Rolled him up real quick.

1:01:51>> Do you think maybe that was fixed? Well,

1:01:54it was very entertaining.

1:01:56Very entertaining.

1:01:57>> I'm sure it was. I just don't understand

1:01:59how you go back and forth.

1:02:00>> Oh, it's the best.

1:02:01>> I know you love it.

1:02:02>> Well, sometimes that's what I said about

1:02:05this White House card, by the way, is

1:02:06like

1:02:09there's nothing that could have happened

1:02:11that they could have written, if it was

1:02:14written, that would have made it more

1:02:16exciting,

1:02:17>> right?

1:02:18>> It felt real the whole time. and the

1:02:20fights that happened before made it feel

1:02:22like anything could happen in that main

1:02:24event. Like it just felt raw and real,

1:02:27but also storyline, which then when UFC

1:02:31is at its best like that, it's like the

1:02:34WWE.

1:02:35>> That's what's interesting. Of course,

1:02:37it's not as, you know, uh acrobatic.

1:02:41Exactly. But it is it was a special

1:02:44moment. You know, it was a regardless of

1:02:47how you feel politically and I

1:02:48understand it

1:02:49>> if you're if you hate the Republicans

1:02:52and you hate the whole idea, I get it.

1:02:54But just as a person who loves a sport,

1:02:57it was a very unusual experience. Very

1:03:00unusual. And just I think people have to

1:03:03just look at some things that way. You

1:03:04know, some people have a really hard

1:03:06time separating themselves politically

1:03:07because they're going, "Oh, no." That

1:03:09the White House puts on this thing.

1:03:11There's all this bad press because of

1:03:12the war. There's bad press because of

1:03:14this and that. And they put on this

1:03:16thing at the White House and it sort of

1:03:17like

1:03:19>> MAGA washes everything. You know what I

1:03:21mean? Makes everybody like them again.

1:03:22Gives them positive press which

1:03:25undeniable. Undeniable. It gave them

1:03:27positive press.

1:03:29>> I mean, the amount of people that have

1:03:30seen it is nuts. You know, I think just

1:03:33on Paramount, it's something like 30

1:03:35something million now. And you know they

1:03:38were telling me that they thought it was

1:03:39probably 150 million people had watched

1:03:42it in some form

1:03:44>> which was uh you know Tik Tok clips,

1:03:46Instagram, YouTube. But that is a nutty

1:03:49number man. And I think Dana and Hunter

1:03:52they were thinking it could get to like

1:03:53a billion people see it

1:03:55>> which is just nuts.

1:03:56>> Yeah.

1:03:57>> In some form you know highlight reels

1:03:59clips. I mean just the Gachi fight alone

1:04:01just the highlight reels. How many

1:04:02people watch those on Instagram and Tik

1:04:05Tok and

1:04:05>> totally

1:04:06>> the awareness of the event of the moment

1:04:08was so huge. It was like nothing else.

1:04:11Like it didn't feel like any other event

1:04:13we had ever like I was nervous before it

1:04:15started.

1:04:16>> Yeah.

1:04:16>> Like I never get nervous for the UFC. I

1:04:17get excited but I was like legitimately

1:04:19nervous. I was like I was feeling like a

1:04:21little like this is crazy. Like we're on

1:04:23the White House lawn.

1:04:25>> No. The fly over is when it really hit.

1:04:28>> Yeah. Well, when they had all those jets

1:04:30together and they're so close to each

1:04:31other, like imagine if one of those

1:04:33[ __ ] clips into their wing and

1:04:35spirals right into the ellipse.

1:04:36>> Yeah.

1:04:38>> Yeah. Crazy. What a spectacle.

1:04:41>> Yeah. They would have definitely

1:04:42canceled the fights cuz think they they

1:04:44canled the White House correspondents

1:04:46dinner because of that assassination

1:04:47attack.

1:04:48>> God damn it.

1:04:49>> Oh, you had a bunch of bangers on that,

1:04:50I heard.

1:04:51>> Yeah. So annoying. I was more excited

1:04:54for that than like anything.

1:04:56>> How do they just cancel it? Why didn't

1:04:58they reschedu it? Maybe they're going to

1:05:00wait until the ballroom's finished. Cuz

1:05:02that's the argument for the ballroom

1:05:04that they could have it at a place like

1:05:05that where it's completely secured.

1:05:07>> Yeah.

1:05:08>> Kurt Mascer thinks the whole thing is

1:05:09fake.

1:05:10>> Uh

1:05:11>> oh. Another f another fake assassination

1:05:13attempt.

1:05:13>> Yeah.

1:05:14>> How'd that guy get in there?

1:05:15>> Yeah.

1:05:15>> How that Well, I think some people are

1:05:18just incompetent.

1:05:19>> There's incompetence. There's bad

1:05:21security. There's uh people that don't

1:05:23do their job. And there's also people

1:05:24that you didn't expect to be a problem

1:05:26and were a problem and you're in a

1:05:29hotel.

1:05:30>> Also, the guy made it to the first level

1:05:33of the first scanning of security. It's

1:05:37not like he made it into the thing,

1:05:39>> but he did shoot somebody, right?

1:05:41>> I

1:05:42>> I think he shot one of the Secret

1:05:43Service agents in his bulletproof vest.

1:05:45>> Yeah.

1:05:45>> Is that true, Jamie?

1:05:47>> I think so.

1:05:48>> See, there were so many stories online,

1:05:49it's so hard to know what was true and

1:05:51what was not. But I think the guy was a

1:05:54teacher, like a substitute teacher.

1:05:56>> Nuts. It's all nuts.

1:05:59>> It's like, man, you didn't think this

1:06:01out?

1:06:01>> Scheduled it for July 24th.

1:06:04>> Okay.

1:06:05Okay.

1:06:06>> The correspondence dinner.

1:06:07>> Yep.

1:06:07>> Wow. I did not know that,

1:06:08>> son. You might want to polish up some of

1:06:10them bits.

1:06:11>> Yeah, it's going to be some new stuff.

1:06:13>> Go back and tag some of them with some

1:06:15current events. Where are they going to

1:06:17have it?

1:06:18>> Uh, sorry, I sorted it.

1:06:21If they have it at the same spot, that's

1:06:23not smart.

1:06:25>> New event held July 24th.

1:06:30>> It's not saying where

1:06:30>> is at the Pentagon.

1:06:32>> They might wait. They might wait to

1:06:34release that.

1:06:37>> Yeah, it's not saying. Oh, uh, Waldolf,

1:06:40excuse me, Waldorf Atoria.

1:06:42>> Oh, okay. Well, I guarantee you they'll

1:06:46tighten that [ __ ] up a little bit.

1:06:47>> Oh, yeah. I know he was excited to do

1:06:51the jokes.

1:06:52>> Oh, yeah.

1:06:53>> Yeah.

1:06:53>> No, he was he was very pumped.

1:06:55>> Yeah, they were bangers. I ran them um

1:06:59because the thing happened. I happened

1:07:00to be performing at the Kennedy Center

1:07:03the ne that weekend, the next weekend.

1:07:06So, I ran the jokes and I realized that

1:07:09I had Adam Ray as a special guest that

1:07:12was on before me. He brought me on

1:07:13stage. So, I go, you know what? Even I

1:07:18wrote jokes for the president of the

1:07:19United States to make fun of the press

1:07:21and everybody at the White House

1:07:22correspondents dinner, but I just

1:07:24realized Adam's here. Adam, you want to

1:07:25come out and read these in Trump's

1:07:27voice?

1:07:28>> And so he was seeing the jokes for the

1:07:30first time and reading them and we had

1:07:33so much fun.

1:07:34>> I didn't know he does a Trump, which

1:07:36doesn't surprise me. I mean, his

1:07:37impressions are insane.

1:07:38>> He can do anything, dude.

1:07:39>> Yeah, he can do anybody. He didn't even

1:07:40he didn't he was dabbling in a Biden the

1:07:44week that I hit him up to do Trump Biden

1:07:46which I think is a [ __ ] god I think

1:07:48it's like 40 million or seven some crazy

1:07:52amount and again just like the UFC God

1:07:54only knows after clips but it was a

1:07:56monumental comedy [ __ ] moment having

1:07:59Shane as Trumpction Adam is Biden right

1:08:02before the election right after their

1:08:04first debate where Biden was clearly

1:08:07[ __ ] zonked and sleepy and and just

1:08:10couldn't compete at all. And so I hit up

1:08:14Adam via text. I'm like, "Do you have a

1:08:15Biden?" He's like, "I cover it for five

1:08:18seconds in a in my standup. I'm like,

1:08:21uh, are you free on Monday to fly to

1:08:24Austin and do Biden if I can get Shane

1:08:27as Trump?" And I remember telling Shane,

1:08:30like I'm like, "This is going to be an

1:08:31interesting ask." Uh, but I, you know,

1:08:34I'm just like, "Hey, Adam's got a

1:08:36Biden." And Shane's like, "I have

1:08:38something to do on Monday. I'm

1:08:39cancelling it. I'm doing Trump." He

1:08:41immediately saw The Brilliance. It was

1:08:44just such a hot topic at the time. And

1:08:47my god, it was [ __ ] crazy. There's

1:08:49clips that I see of that episode and I

1:08:51never rewatch Kill Tony's or anything.

1:08:54I'll see clips sometimes and I literally

1:08:56go, "Oh my god, holy [ __ ] shit."

1:08:59There's one part where Trump goes, "How

1:09:01many more retards are you going to bring

1:09:04out here?" because there had been like

1:09:05two handicapped people on the show. All

1:09:07right, how many more retards you have

1:09:09come? As I'm pulling a name out of the

1:09:11bucket in real time, I go, "Anything can

1:09:13happen, Mr. President. Let's see if what

1:09:15the next guy's like." And he comes out

1:09:17and he has like these weird deformed

1:09:18penguin arms.

1:09:20>> Oh god.

1:09:20>> And you see Shane as Trump and the

1:09:23crowd's dying because they see him first

1:09:25and you see Shane as Trump look and go,

1:09:28"Fuck." It's just one of his his rea

1:09:32facial reactions to things are like his

1:09:35greatest secret [ __ ] hilarious

1:09:36weapon. And when he's Trump, it's even

1:09:39amplified. It's like in my opinion 10 or

1:09:4220% funnier than even Shane is. I mean,

1:09:44I'm sure he'd admit to this and know it

1:09:46cuz Trump is just such an interesting,

1:09:48polarizing character. And his take on

1:09:49him is so [ __ ] funny. It's psychotic.

1:09:52>> His impression so good. It's the

1:09:54greatest Trump impression of all time

1:09:55cuz it's like the jokes are so good.

1:09:58>> Oh, by far. He's so What's What's funny?

1:10:00>> Found the part.

1:10:02>> So epic.

1:10:03>> Back it up a little bit.

1:10:05>> Another fun appearance by True Nickens.

1:10:08>> This is the best.

1:10:12>> All right,

1:10:13>> Tony. How many more [ __ ] guys do you

1:10:15have back here?

1:10:16>> Anything can happen.

1:10:17>> This crowd is hungry for more [ __ ]

1:10:20guys. Frankly, I don't think we've seen

1:10:22enough [ __ ] guys. How about a

1:10:23[ __ ] racist? Would you like to

1:10:27>> This next person could be one. I pulled

1:10:29it out of the bucket. It is the Kill

1:10:31Tony debut, I do believe, of Jacob Bar,

1:10:34everybody. Jacob Bar.

1:10:38>> Oh my god.

1:10:40>> Thank you.

1:10:41>> Well, well, well.

1:10:44>> Oh my god. Okay.

1:10:46>> Careful what you wish for.

1:10:49>> Okay, hold on. We're gonna reset this.

1:10:51Jacob,

1:10:52>> what's funny is is Adam knows better

1:10:55than anybody that you're not supposed to

1:10:56say anything after the bucket bull comes

1:10:59up. So me grabbing the mic out of his

1:11:01hand and putting it down is even another

1:11:04layer of hilarious to all of us. It's

1:11:06like Biden's misbehaving.

1:11:09>> I don't know. Did you see Shane's face

1:11:10when he notices his hands?

1:11:12>> I didn't even look.

1:11:17>> And then

1:11:20[ __ ]

1:11:21He's our Jackie Gleason.

1:11:23>> Oh yeah, without a doubt.

1:11:24>> That's what it is.

1:11:25>> Plus plus, man.

1:11:26>> He's the great one of the generation.

1:11:29>> What people don't realize, I I mean,

1:11:31obviously, is that he is that funny all

1:11:36the [ __ ] time.

1:11:37>> All the time when we're hanging out in

1:11:39the green room,

1:11:39>> every bar, every restaurant, every green

1:11:42room, every every stairway, [ __ ]

1:11:45anywhere, everything. He I always

1:11:48compare it to Mike Tyson in his prime.

1:11:50He just hits harder and different doing

1:11:53the smallest little things. Even if it's

1:11:54a face, if somebody says something and

1:11:56he just like reacts to it, it's crazy.

1:11:59>> It's also always fun.

1:12:00>> He's a fun guy. Like he wants to have

1:12:02fun. Like even when he's cracking jokes,

1:12:05it's fun.

1:12:06>> Well,

1:12:06>> I know he was very reluctant to do the

1:12:08roast, you know. He was a little

1:12:10reluctant to even host that. Like I

1:12:11don't want I don't want to do those

1:12:13things.

1:12:13>> Yeah. you know, but

1:12:16>> well, everything is, you know,

1:12:18everything could be something. He

1:12:19crushed so hard. It caused a real

1:12:21ruckus. Him and I end capping that

1:12:24thing. You know what I mean?

1:12:26>> Yeah.

1:12:26>> It was supposed to be a, you know, this

1:12:28roast of black excellence and me and

1:12:31Shane are just [ __ ] having the time

1:12:33of our lives. He got

1:12:34>> Who said it was a roast of black

1:12:36excellence? You're just saying that

1:12:37because it was Kevin Hart.

1:12:38>> Well, yeah, that's that's like that was

1:12:40>> It wasn't like explicitly stated or

1:12:42anything, right? M

1:12:44>> I mean

1:12:44>> cuz imagine if you said you we're going

1:12:46to have a roast of white excellence,

1:12:48>> right? Exactly. No, I know.

1:12:50>> Crazy.

1:12:50>> Oh yeah.

1:12:51>> It's weird where you can and can't say.

1:12:53>> Oh yeah.

1:12:53>> That's weird.

1:12:54>> Oh yeah.

1:12:55>> You know.

1:12:56>> Yeah. It's a whole thing with that. I

1:12:58mean

1:12:59>> you can't talk about this, but you can

1:13:01talk about that.

1:13:01>> Well, it's just weird what we accept,

1:13:04which like doesn't bother me at all, but

1:13:06like Kane Velasquez when he fought in

1:13:07the UFC, he used to have brown pride

1:13:09tattooed on his chest. Cool. whose

1:13:12family came over from Mexico. They they

1:13:14literally walked here.

1:13:16>> Yeah.

1:13:16>> White pride not so popular,

1:13:19>> right?

1:13:19>> White pride on your chest. You know,

1:13:21[ __ ] Sean Strickland just decided to

1:13:23get white pride

1:13:26and he posted a picture on Instagram of

1:13:28him as a world champion with white pride

1:13:31on his chest next to Cain Velasquez as a

1:13:33world champion with brown pride on his

1:13:35chest.

1:13:36>> Yeah.

1:13:36>> And people would lose their [ __ ]

1:13:40minds. Yes.

1:13:41>> And again, not saying that Shawn would

1:13:43ever put white pride on his chest.

1:13:45>> He would. No, he would. I follow him. He

1:13:47>> doesn't have any tattoos.

1:13:48>> I follow him on Twitter. He would. Trust

1:13:50me.

1:13:50>> He's a wild boy.

1:13:51>> He did get a temporary tattoo.

1:13:53>> He showed up at the UFC even though he

1:13:55was banned. He showed up and they

1:13:56arrested him.

1:13:57>> Yeah.

1:14:00They kicked him out. He's the world

1:14:02champion. There's a UFC event at the

1:14:05White House at the time before Justin

1:14:07won. He was the only American world

1:14:10champion. And they're like, "You can't

1:14:12come."

1:14:13>> Yeah.

1:14:13>> Because you talk too much [ __ ] about

1:14:15Israel.

1:14:16>> Mhm. He's a wild boy.

1:14:17>> But that's wild that your criticism

1:14:21about Israel is what keeps you from

1:14:23going to the White House as a world

1:14:26champion in a a world title fights at

1:14:29the White House.

1:14:30>> Yeah.

1:14:30>> Like you think you would want to

1:14:31celebrate the American male world

1:14:33champion.

1:14:35>> I think he said some other stuff too

1:14:36though.

1:14:36>> Yeah. Epstein stuff there.

1:14:38>> Yeah.

1:14:38>> Said he's a wild boy.

1:14:40>> Yeah.

1:14:41>> I think he's

1:14:42>> I told him when he retires from

1:14:43fighting, he 100% should do a podcast.

1:14:46And he was like, I you know

1:14:48seen these guys doing these streamers

1:14:50and like I go, you don't have to do

1:14:52that, right?

1:14:52>> You don't have to do it that way. He's

1:14:54like, I couldn't do that. Just sit there

1:14:55every day and talk to people for hours.

1:14:57I'd lose my [ __ ] mind. I'm like,

1:14:59right, but you don't have to do that.

1:15:01Just your opinions on things. Like he's

1:15:02an awesome podcast guest,

1:15:04>> you know? I'm like, he could totally

1:15:07totally do that. Just talk about stuff.

1:15:09And also

1:15:11Sean when he lets the the whole stick

1:15:14down and just gives you his opinions on

1:15:16things. Very smart guy. Yeah.

1:15:18>> He's not stupid at all. And he would get

1:15:20better at it, you know, as he did it

1:15:22more. He easily could do a podcast.

1:15:27>> Yeah. He's entertaining as [ __ ]

1:15:28>> I just can't believe they kicked him out

1:15:29of the White House. And that is they

1:15:31kicked him out of the ellipse that area.

1:15:33There's I think there's video of it. See

1:15:35if you can find the video of it. Like,

1:15:37sorry guys. Like they got like [ __ ]

1:15:39six six cops and bulletproof vests.

1:15:41>> Yeah. I think there was like 85,000

1:15:43people there. So, it's funny that

1:15:45they're like that one the champion.

1:15:48>> It's just he wasn't supposed to be

1:15:49there. He was banned. He was not invited

1:15:52or whatever. But even if you're not

1:15:53invited, shouldn't you be able to go to

1:15:54the fan area if you're the world

1:15:56champion? If you want to be that wild

1:15:58with no security and there's video of

1:16:00him from the first night from the night

1:16:02of the weigh-ins where they found out

1:16:04that he was there. It's amazing because

1:16:06he was wearing a hoodie the entire time

1:16:08and someone told him he's got to take

1:16:09off the hoodie and he's like I can't

1:16:11listen. It's going to be a problem and

1:16:13as soon as he takes off the hoodie

1:16:14everybody goes it's [ __ ] strong

1:16:17and then he's just surrounded by bros.

1:16:20>> Hilarious.

1:16:21>> Just getting hugged to death. He asked

1:16:23some dude uh some dude asked him to leg

1:16:25kick him. A Sean leg kick some kid.

1:16:29>> Crazy.

1:16:30>> World champion [ __ ] kicking some kid.

1:16:33What is this world coming to?

1:16:36>> There's starting to be some

1:16:37>> It's him. Is it Is there uh audio?

1:16:52>> This is crazy.

1:16:54I like that we have some entertaining

1:16:56American uh

1:16:57>> Oh, he's the most entertaining

1:16:59>> that Josh uh Hoit Hocket.

1:17:02>> Hoit.

1:17:02>> Hoit.

1:17:03>> Yeah.

1:17:03>> My god, he is.

1:17:04>> That was what was hilarious was people

1:17:07were so upset that he said Michelle

1:17:09Obama's a man at the White House.

1:17:12>> It's like that's what he's doing. He's

1:17:14doing that on purpose. Like he's

1:17:15literally wearing an American flag

1:17:17bandana. He comes out to a Hulk Hogan

1:17:19song.

1:17:20>> He's wearing sunglasses

1:17:21>> during Yeah. It's not appropriate.

1:17:23You're right.

1:17:24>> Yep.

1:17:24>> Right. But he said the exact same thing

1:17:27when I interviewed him somewhere else.

1:17:29>> Yeah.

1:17:30>> He said I I'm pretty sure he said

1:17:31Michelle Obama's a man like last time I

1:17:33interviewed him.

1:17:34>> That's what I heard is that it's not the

1:17:36his first rodeo at the Michelle Obama is

1:17:38a man.

1:17:38>> That's how he ends his interviews.

1:17:42>> Hilarious.

1:17:43>> He's trying to get people to talk about

1:17:44him.

1:17:44>> Yep.

1:17:45>> You know, it's the whole thing is so

1:17:46crazy. But all of it would be nothing if

1:17:50he couldn't fight. Exactly. That's what

1:17:53that's where it's real exciting is the

1:17:55pre-fight stuff. I mean, the post-fight

1:17:58interview pretty polarizing obviously

1:18:00because that was the news. But if you

1:18:03for the real fans paying attention, did

1:18:06you didn't get to see him do that? Did I

1:18:07send it to you? The kill Tony minute

1:18:09that he did at the press conference. Oh

1:18:11my god. So funny cuz he's like

1:18:13purposefully bombing.

1:18:15>> So he's literally doing a joke. He's he

1:18:17says, "You guys know Tony Hinchcliffe?

1:18:19I'm going to do my Kill Tony minute."

1:18:20and he's purposefully like bombing. It's

1:18:23corny, purposeful, bad jokes. And he's

1:18:25going, "Man, tough crowd. All right, let

1:18:26me let me try this one." And it's like

1:18:29literally being hilarious

1:18:32by strategically

1:18:34trying to be funny, but not being funny.

1:18:37You could tell that he was planning on

1:18:38nobody laughing, but that it's setup

1:18:41punch. And he's just [ __ ] try. He's

1:18:45just trying to entertain, which is

1:18:46>> he's trolling.

1:18:48>> He's trolling. He's getting attention.

1:18:50>> And then the most important thing, he

1:18:52can fight.

1:18:53>> Yeah,

1:18:53>> that dude's good.

1:18:54>> He's [ __ ] good, man. He's fast as

1:18:57[ __ ] for a heavyweight. He's very light

1:18:59on his feet, fast as [ __ ] fast hands.

1:19:02>> Yeah. So fun to watch.

1:19:03>> And you know what's interesting is uh he

1:19:05talked a lot of [ __ ] about Alex Pereira

1:19:09and you know, I want a shyama on your

1:19:11mama, all that crazy [ __ ]

1:19:12>> Um Pereira losing to serial gone.

1:19:16Pereira decides to fight again. I don't

1:19:18know if he's going to fight again. He

1:19:19might be done. I think he said he might

1:19:21be done, but I mean a lot of fighters

1:19:23say that after a fight and especially

1:19:25after a loss.

1:19:26>> Yeah.

1:19:26>> Let him sit around for a while. Then

1:19:28they come up with

1:19:28>> he's not done.

1:19:29>> They back up the Brinks truck. Get him

1:19:32versus Josh Hoit.

1:19:33>> Oh god.

1:19:35>> As a co-main event on a [ __ ] banging

1:19:37New Year's Eve card.

1:19:38>> Oh yeah.

1:19:39>> Let's go.

1:19:40>> Hit will be making fun of his headdress

1:19:42and his face makeup. Oh, it would be

1:19:45insane. It would be insane. But, you

1:19:47know, the thing is Hok's got to deal

1:19:48with that guy.

1:19:49>> That's a different guy. That's not

1:19:51Derrick Lewis.

1:19:52>> I mean, if he continues to fight

1:19:53heavyweight, it is interesting watching

1:19:57a guy who's been so dominant at 85 and

1:19:59at 205 with that all that extra weight

1:20:02on. I don't know if that necessarily was

1:20:05the right move, you know? I mean, I

1:20:08think like some weight is probably good,

1:20:10but maybe even 20 lbs lighter. Like

1:20:12maybe 230 something. Maybe that would be

1:20:14a better weight if he really wants to

1:20:16fight at heavy weight cuz it seems like

1:20:17he was carrying I mean just you ever

1:20:20work out with a weight vest on?

1:20:21>> Yeah,

1:20:22>> it's crazy.

1:20:22>> Yeah.

1:20:23>> Like a 25 lb weight vest. It's nuts how

1:20:26much harder everything is. So you got to

1:20:28realize he had fought at 185 and he

1:20:31fought at 205. That was what he weighed

1:20:32in at. But let's be

1:20:35honest. At 185, I think he probably

1:20:38weighed 220 something, 226, I think it

1:20:41was, fight night, which is nuts. It's 40

1:20:43lbs difference. And at 205, he probably

1:20:46got into the 230s, like 235, 236,

1:20:49something like that. But still was not

1:20:53didn't look like he looked at 251. 251

1:20:57he looked like he was carrying

1:20:58unnecessary weight, a little bit of it

1:21:01at least. And if he was just like 20

1:21:03pounds lighter, he would still have that

1:21:05speed and movement, but he's always had

1:21:07crazy knockout power. It might be a

1:21:10better weight for just seemed like it

1:21:12was a lot of weight he had on him, you

1:21:14know,

1:21:14>> and it all went to his ass. Yeah,

1:21:16>> his ass was giant.

1:21:17>> Fat ass.

1:21:18>> Big fat ass.

1:21:18>> You know me, you know that's all I'm

1:21:20looking at. That's why I watch UFC. And

1:21:24uh yeah, it was all there.

1:21:25>> It was like a backpack.

1:21:26>> Well, that's where all the power comes

1:21:28from. You know, when you're pushing off

1:21:29your feet and you know, you're pushing

1:21:31off those [ __ ] quads and pushing into

1:21:33those glutes and then torquing that body

1:21:35the way he does.

1:21:37>> Ferocious power, dude.

1:21:38>> But damn, that serial gone's good. Woo.

1:21:41>> Yeah,

1:21:43>> he's so good, dude. And he's in his

1:21:45prime right now. Sir Gan is like really

1:21:46coming into his own.

1:21:48>> There's no heavyweight like him. No one

1:21:50moves like him.

1:21:51>> Yeah, I was going to say extremely

1:21:52accurate for a heavyweight.

1:21:54>> Not just accurate, agile. Yeah,

1:21:56>> cuz uh we were talking about this the

1:21:57other day that basketball is a great

1:21:59place to start if you're a big athlete

1:22:02and you want to learn combat sports,

1:22:04especially striking because think about

1:22:06how many direction changes basketball

1:22:08players take where they're always kind

1:22:10of doing that. They're always spinning

1:22:12and moving. It's a series of

1:22:13plyometrics. It's a series of hops and

1:22:16jumps like Jordan's jump. Imagine if

1:22:18Jordan had a flying knee, right?

1:22:21>> Right. He's [ __ ]

1:22:22>> He's hit you with a flying knee from 14

1:22:24feet away. Yeah.

1:22:25>> What do you got?

1:22:27>> Basketball.

1:22:28>> What's that?

1:22:29>> Playing basketball.

1:22:30>> It's interesting because uh

1:22:32>> Oh, serial guns are Yeah. So, he started

1:22:35out playing basketball.

1:22:36>> At least where I come from. Basketball

1:22:37season and foot uh wrestling season are

1:22:41at the same time. So, I wonder what he

1:22:43was doing back then.

1:22:44>> Well, he's in France, right? So, France

1:22:46does not have wrestling

1:22:47>> in their high school or in their

1:22:48college, you know? and he learned

1:22:50wrestling after he had become a really

1:22:53elite worldclass Muay Thai fighter. So,

1:22:56he's got the the the grappling is come

1:22:59up in big ways. Like his grappling is

1:23:01much better than it used to be. But

1:23:03really, primarily he's a striker and

1:23:06when John fought him like Jon just got

1:23:08him to the ground and submitted him like

1:23:10quickly. It's like the different I think

1:23:11in that fight was kind of a big ass

1:23:13wakeup call and Francis beat him too. So

1:23:16Francis beat him by just Francis just

1:23:18got a hold of him and most of the fight

1:23:21was on the ground. A giant chunk of it

1:23:23because Francis fought that fight with a

1:23:25blown out ACL.

1:23:26>> Wow.

1:23:27>> Defended his world title with a blown

1:23:29out ACL.

1:23:30>> Crazy.

1:23:30>> Had big ass knee pads on. O

1:23:32>> I know. Wobbly ass knee. But that's how

1:23:34dangerous Francis is.

1:23:36>> Yeah.

1:23:36>> He could just win it with grappling.

1:23:38It's It's a shame that he's not in the

1:23:40UFC. It's a real shame.

1:23:42>> Yeah. Because like that whole thing was

1:23:45what drove everyone crazy about boxing,

1:23:48you know, that it was really hard to get

1:23:50these guys together,

1:23:51>> you know, and this was the whole idea

1:23:53why everybody was excited about what

1:23:55Riad season was doing and uh Turkey

1:23:58alashshek and you know all those people

1:24:00that put together these big ass fights

1:24:02like Tyson Fury and Alexander Usyk and

1:24:06the last one they just did Rico Verhu

1:24:08and Usyk like they're putting together

1:24:10these big crazy fights Like you that was

1:24:13the thing that drove everybody nuts

1:24:15about boxing and that's what drives

1:24:16everybody nuts about MMA. The one thing

1:24:19is it's the heavyweight division. The

1:24:20fact that the best heavyweight or at

1:24:22least the guy who was the lineal

1:24:24heavyweight champion in the world isn't

1:24:26even fighting for the UFC. That's crazy.

1:24:28It's crazy.

1:24:29>> Yeah. Who knows? Maybe one day, right?

1:24:32>> Nope.

1:24:33>> I don't think so. I tried to make it

1:24:34happen.

1:24:34>> Damn.

1:24:35>> Yeah. I think we need to get those dudes

1:24:36together. Look at that. Look at dunking.

1:24:40That's crazy.

1:24:41>> I know. See, that kind of ability to

1:24:44throw your body around like that is so

1:24:46huge as a striker. Yeah.

1:24:47>> Because a lot of those guys are

1:24:48plotting, you know, they're plotters.

1:24:50They just kind of like wobble through.

1:24:52>> I think what they need to do is get

1:24:54Francis and the UFC together. They all

1:24:56do mushrooms.

1:24:57>> Yeah.

1:24:57>> Just like make friends.

1:24:59>> Yeah.

1:25:00>> Because he doesn't have much time left.

1:25:01I think Francis is 38. Is that how old

1:25:03he is?

1:25:06I think he's 38, which is different as a

1:25:09heavyweight. Heavyweights have turns 40

1:25:11in September. Whoa.

1:25:13Not much time left,

1:25:14>> right?

1:25:15>> 40 you can do. But unless you're Bernard

1:25:17Hopkins, fighting at a world class level

1:25:19in your 40s kind of unheard of.

1:25:22>> I remember when France when uh Bernard

1:25:24Hopkins fought Kelly Pavick, a lot of

1:25:27people did not think that he had a

1:25:30chance.

1:25:30>> Oh yeah, I remember it very clearly.

1:25:32>> And he outboxed the [ __ ] out of Kelly

1:25:34Pav. He looked so good.

1:25:35>> Truly the executioner. I want to say he

1:25:37was in his 40s when that happened.

1:25:40>> I think so.

1:25:41>> How old was Bernard Hopkins when he

1:25:43fought Kelly Pavick?

1:25:46>> He fought at a world class level until

1:25:47he's 50 years old.

1:25:48>> Yeah.

1:25:49>> Nuts.

1:25:50>> Yeah. Nuts.

1:25:50>> We were all watching that one. Everybody

1:25:52from Youngstown going, "All right, this

1:25:54is it. We're going to get back on the

1:25:56right path." Because it was after his

1:25:58loss to uh Margarita, is that right?

1:26:02Who's the guy that got caught with the

1:26:04cement in his gloves against the one guy