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Success Has Ingredients: Garbage In Garbage Out

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0:00everyone same happens here and in

0:02today's video I want to talk to you

0:04about the ingredients of success and why

0:09if you put garbage in you'll get garbage

0:12out right so first of all why this is

0:18important and why you should listen to

0:20this video so recently I've been doing a

0:24lot of job interviews and I've honestly

0:27been talking to about 20 to 30 people

0:29every single week and I think I've

0:31talked to about 436 people in total so

0:35far and you know that's a lot of job

0:37interviews and what I'm really looking

0:40for is you know really smart people

0:42really talented people who are

0:44hardworking and who have got what it

0:45takes to join our team and you know

0:49solve the challenging problems that

0:51we're trying to solve and on these job

0:55interviews

0:55you know I'm tasked with with basically

0:58trying to determine if somebody is smart

1:02and hungry and hardworking and has

1:04strong character and I'm I'm trying to

1:07just determine that in 30 minutes over

1:10the phone with questions right that's

1:12quite challenging it's more challenging

1:15than it sounds like because there are a

1:17lot of false negatives a lot of false

1:19positives and most of the questions I

1:22asked in the beginning were to do with

1:26somebody's outputs and let me show you

1:29exactly what I mean here so let's say we

1:32have a person here who I'm interviewing

1:36right now they've got outputs over here

1:43and they also have inputs over here all

1:50right now what our outputs whoa outputs

1:55in this case could be you know work that

1:57they've done or skills that they have or

2:01you know experience that they possess

2:04from the previous position or their

2:06career right these are the typical

2:08things that people ask questions about

2:12we

2:13it comes to job interviews right they

2:16ask all about the outputs and recruiters

2:20do this too they ask you like well what

2:22skills should this person have and what

2:25type of industry should they have worked

2:27in and also what type of company is what

2:30type of position right they're trying to

2:32get a read and they're trying it to get

2:35a signal and they're trying to optimize

2:38and filter for people who match the

2:42output requirements and why well it's

2:45probably the most simple way to do it

2:47right they call this person is skilled

2:49at that and this person says they're

2:51skilled at that

2:52therefore this person must be a good fit

2:54right the problem with this is that

2:56people can easily lie about this sort of

3:00stuff and they can easily mislead you

3:02you know if you ask someone or do you

3:04have experience with X and they can tell

3:06you here I've got experience with the X

3:08I worked on this project or their

3:09project and it's very hard then to

3:12decipher like does this person actually

3:15have experience or are they just telling

3:17me that they have experience right it's

3:19it's quite difficult and for as long as

3:23I was asking questions about somebody's

3:25outputs I was not able to get an

3:27accurate read on on the candidates I was

3:31talking to and then something you know

3:34really shifted and I started to to

3:39remember this documentary this TV series

3:42called shifts table right and I watched

3:45the first like two episodes of it

3:47because I was just kind of interested in

3:49curious I was like well what makes a

3:52really good chef you know there's ships

3:54that suck that make really disgusting

3:56food right

3:57and then there's ships that are the best

3:59in the world and what makes what

4:03differentiates these two objects right

4:06what is the difference and I was like

4:09maybe these people are really good at

4:10preparation maybe they've got different

4:12methodologies different tactics

4:14different sequencing of different

4:17actions they take and I was really quite

4:20curious and so I started watching this

4:22documentary and within the first two

4:25episodes I already

4:27figured it out like what's what created

4:30the world's best ships was their ability

4:35to source ingredients right and so what

4:39makes the best tasting food the best

4:42ingredients right and so really it was

4:45this the same thing like if we look at

4:49here if we have you know if we're

4:53looking at the world's bishops and then

4:55if we have meal here right that could be

5:02wait let me redraw this so world's beer

5:05ship let's put them here this is the

5:09chef and then let's say the output is

5:14the meal well what are the inputs right

5:21and the inputs would be different

5:25ingredients I was writing ingredients

5:31and so the best ships in the world were

5:35the best at sourcing the best

5:37ingredients and they took this to such

5:39an extreme that most of their time was

5:42actually spent out there on the road

5:44traveling around and trying to find the

5:47best ingredients some shifts took it to

5:50the extreme that they started their own

5:52farm I'm not talking they started their

5:55own farm and when they were looking for

5:57a farm what do you think they were doing

5:59they were looking for the ingredients

6:01what ingredients makes a good fun well

6:04what are the constituent parts of a farm

6:06I mean we've basically got land earth

6:08dirt and so what makes good land right

6:13and so it comes back to what crops have

6:16lived on on this land and also what is

6:20the climate and the you know the weather

6:23patterns and things for this land and

6:25also what the what historically has this

6:31land had fed into it

6:32like what fertilizers pesticides

6:35chemicals things like that right so even

6:38when we're trying to find a good farm

6:40look at the inputs to a farm and we look

6:42at you know the quality of the land the

6:44quality of the dirt and then we look at

6:47the quality of the other objects on that

6:49land and then we're able to get a good

6:52farm because it's got good land and then

6:54once we've got a good farm with good

6:56land then we want to raise animals on it

7:00in the best way possible and then we we

7:03need a good farm with good earth so that

7:06we can grow good plants on it so that

7:07the animals can eat the good plants

7:10right so what makes a good animal will

7:13it's their food their what their eating

7:15day to day in their environment that

7:17they're living in right and so the

7:21environment and the food is the inputs

7:23of an animal and that determines you

7:26know the how good that food is when it

7:29ends up on your plate and so a lot of

7:31these shifts they they really focused

7:34and obsessed about inputs so while a lot

7:37of people including myself used to think

7:41that you know a good chef what makes the

7:45bishop in the world well I thought it

7:46was probably some of their methods for

7:49preparing a meal right probably like

7:52some kind of like chopping technique or

7:55I don't know

7:57I really had no idea but I thought it

7:59would probably be something to do with

8:01their technique and their method and

8:03upon further investigation I found that

8:07to be false and really what it was all

8:12about was about the ingredients the

8:17inputs and so we're always doing these

8:21interviews it took me probably 300

8:23interviews to realize that so I was like

8:25this is giving me flashbacks of this

8:27scenario here you know what makes the

8:30best meal or the best ingredients and

8:32really it reminds me of a term that's

8:35commonly used in the software

8:38engineering world and that is garbage in

8:41garbage out right and what it basically

8:44means is that outputs derive from inputs

8:50and so here if we have

8:54a system could be anything and then here

8:58we have inputs and then here we have

9:04outputs all right then the quality of

9:13the inputs here determine the quality of

9:16the outputs over here and if you put

9:19garbage in you will get garbage out so

9:23if we have and why this is common in the

9:26software engineering world is because

9:28sometimes people believe that if you

9:32create a really good system but let's

9:34say we have this really good tracking

9:36system it's got a I machine learning and

9:38all of these other bloody buzz words in

9:40it right and so it's this it's this

9:42mobile optimized mobile first

9:45cryptocurrency tracking optimization

9:48machine learning algorithm artificial

9:51intelligence Bitcoin engine right some

9:54kind of crap like that so they think

9:56that you know because we have this

9:58amazing system it can do anything it

10:01doesn't even matter what inputs you feed

10:03it you can just just give it nothing you

10:05know just just put just a bunch of

10:08made-up numbers into it and it will tell

10:09you the truth right no such thing exists

10:13but it doesn't matter how good the

10:15system is if you feed it garbage it will

10:20output garbage solve you input X you get

10:25X and even with a lower quality system

10:30you can input like you can input good

10:34data and you can get good data out right

10:39and so a common fallacy in the software

10:42engineering world is forgetting this

10:45it's forgetting that the quality of a

10:49systems outputs are really fundamentally

10:52determined by the quality of its inputs

10:54and sometimes will actually quite a lot

10:57of the time almost all of the time your

10:59time as an engineer or a systems

11:02architect is better spent sanitizing

11:05inputs then it is

11:07fancy processes to deal with disparate

11:10sources of messy and dirty inputs right

11:14because of garbage in garbage out now

11:18why I tell you this is because we come

11:22back to this so I'm doing these job

11:24interviews and I do 300 of them or

11:26something and I've been asking questions

11:28about outputs like God you have this

11:30skill and you have that thing and all of

11:32this and I realized that this was a

11:36really poor way to measure and it was a

11:39really poor way to interview people and

11:41that reminded me of this documentary

11:45called chefs table where you know the

11:48ingredients of the food determines the

11:50quality of the meal right and the

11:53world's best chefs were the best sources

11:54of ingredients and so then that reminded

11:57me of the garbage in garbage out thing

11:59and then that led me to do a little bit

12:03of research and what I was really

12:05interested in was the social networks of

12:10geniuses and so I actually found a guy

12:15and his name is Dean Simonton DEA in

12:19SIEM int Oh in and this guy Dean he

12:23spent quite a lot of time studying and

12:26analyzing like historic documents and

12:29journals and records from the world's

12:32greatest geniuses like Einstein Newton

12:35Galileo and Copernicus and all of these

12:40different geniuses and what he was

12:42interested in was how are these geniuses

12:46interconnected through a social web or a

12:49social graph over time right and what he

12:53found was actually quite fascinating and

12:55I'll draw this for you very quickly what

13:02he basically found was that geniuses are

13:07created by the inputs all right the same

13:12thing occurs so we need looked at Isaac

13:16Newton and I'll put Newton here

13:19when he looked at Isaac Newton he wanted

13:23to see well who were the inputs of Isaac

13:26Newton

13:26what constituent parts or war materials

13:29or source materials and ingredients were

13:33consumed by Newton's mind and then

13:36processed and mixed together to output

13:39the genius that was Newton

13:41right and so he studied this and he

13:45looked for relationships between all of

13:47these different geniuses over time and

13:49what he found was fascinating he found

13:51that Newton had roughly fourteen idols

13:55right and if we come out here we're

13:58looking at idols and he found that

14:03Newton was he learned a lot from Bacon

14:07Copernicus Galileo and Kepler and about

14:12ten other famous scientists and people

14:15who had come before him right

14:17these were incredible influences to

14:20Newton and he consumed their work and he

14:23got to really stand on the shoulder of

14:26the Giants that came before him and

14:28that's why there is their quote that

14:30Newton he himself said and he said if I

14:33have seen further it is by standing on

14:37the shoulder of giants all right well

14:39that's what he means by this is that in

14:41more simpler terms Newton could have

14:43said garbage in garbage out outputs

14:46derive from inputs my output which you

14:49believe is genius was derived from input

14:52of genius right and so Newton's inputs

14:57were previous geniuses and then what's

14:59interesting is that Newton's outputs

15:03actually created more geniuses so if we

15:07are now to look at people like geniuses

15:12who came after Newton they had been

15:16influenced by Newton so if we look at

15:18iron stein

15:19so Einsteins greatest influence had been

15:23Isaac Newton's work right

15:25even though Isaac Newton was hundreds of

15:28years before Einstein Newton was the

15:31greatest influence

15:32on Einstein and so how was Einstein so

15:37smart how was he such a genius how did

15:39he do the things he did a lot of people

15:41tend to think oh well he was just a

15:44genius he was born with it you know and

15:47that's not true because at birth

15:49I'm sure if anyone tried to even ask

15:52Einstein a question he would not have

15:54been able to comprehend it or respond

15:56because at birth Einstein did not even

15:59understand English or could speak right

16:02so he most certainly did not know like

16:05all the things that he did later in life

16:10at birth and so how did he become like

16:12that

16:13well inputs right what were his inputs

16:17well he was influenced by Newton who

16:19were Newton's inputs right well he was

16:22influenced by bacon and Copernicus and

16:24Kepler and Galileo right and so it

16:27doesn't matter what we're looking at it

16:30doesn't matter if we're looking at a

16:31computer system or a software or a

16:34tracking system or if we're looking at

16:37just a person's ability to make a good

16:39decision right if I could be the best

16:42decision maker in the world but if I get

16:45bad information that's inaccurate then

16:48I'm going to optimize the best course of

16:52action given the information that I've

16:55been fed and because the information

16:57I've been fed is wrong it doesn't matter

17:00how good I am at optimizing these

17:01variables my decision even though I

17:04think I've absolutely chosen the best

17:06course of action it is wrong

17:08not because of my ability to make

17:11decisions but because of my ability to

17:13gather the best information eg inputs

17:18right so it doesn't matter what we're

17:20looking at outputs derive from inputs

17:22garbage in garbage out and this again

17:28brings me back to these 300 interviews

17:31that I've been doing trying to find

17:32really smart people and so I was asking

17:35these questions about the outputs and

17:37then I had a little flashback and I was

17:40like oh yeah that shift stable

17:44documentary where the ingredients

17:45created

17:46his meals and garbage in garbage out

17:49from the software and systems world oh

17:51yeah and then I discovered this social

17:56network of the world's most famous

17:58geniuses and then I realized that I've

18:03been looking at the wrong thing I have

18:05been looking over here at these peoples

18:08outputs and I should know better I

18:12should be looking at their inputs so I

18:19decided to start asking questions about

18:23this instead of this and you're probably

18:27thinking well what sort of questions do

18:28you ask to determine inputs right well

18:32what sort of you know I started thinking

18:35back to how did I learn the things that

18:37I know and I can always trace them back

18:40to key objects right so there is

18:44different projects I've worked on where

18:46I've had different experiences that have

18:48taught me a lot of lessons so it could

18:50have been projects or problems or

18:53challenges faced right it could also be

18:56mentors and mentors could be different

19:00people that I worked with on my team or

19:02it could be people who I paid to join a

19:04mastermind or other people who I've come

19:07into contact with and then there's also

19:10books so books can be great sources of

19:13information you know there are a few

19:15books that have influenced my life in a

19:18massive way more than any individual

19:21human has right and then there's also

19:24courses you know there's there's online

19:27courses I've taken mastermind groups

19:29things like that and then there's just

19:31friends and really your network your

19:35local network of the the people around

19:37you so like your the five people you

19:39spend the most time with and talk to the

19:41most there's those people and really

19:45these are the things that shape like

19:49your ability and your intelligence right

19:52and a lot of people teams to look at

19:54intelligences like oh it's just this

19:56person's brain and their ability to

19:58process stuff right

20:00that it's kind of true but not really

20:02mostly it's because they've had really

20:04good inputs and they've been exposed to

20:06really good inputs and when you put good

20:10things in good things come out just like

20:12we saw in this social network of genius

20:14if you put genius and genius comes out

20:16you put garbage in garbage comes out

20:18right now what I'll do is beneath this

20:20video in the resources section I will

20:22include the the actual social network

20:26image or diagram for Newton and for a

20:32couple of other famous scientists and

20:35some of the world's greatest geniuses so

20:37that you can see this the actual work

20:40that I looked at here because it is

20:42quite interesting so they don't be

20:44beneath the video in the resources

20:45section now we get back to this so I

20:50started asking questions about inputs

20:52and I started asking like instead of

20:56saying do you have the skill and are you

20:58good at this and can you do this right

20:59which I got really bad answers before I

21:02started asking what who is your idol

21:07when it comes to field right so who is

21:11your idol when it comes to software

21:13engineering or who is somebody that has

21:17influenced the way you think about and

21:20the way you write software right so that

21:23that was one of the questions and this

21:26was a really fascinating question to ask

21:27because one you couldn't really lie

21:31about this question when I was asking

21:34the outputs one do you have the skill

21:35people would say yes or something like

21:38that right and it's very easy to say yes

21:40but when I say has anyone influenced you

21:43the person could say no or yes but I

21:48can't remember anybody's names or they

21:50could say yes and they would be able to

21:53recall the exact people who had

21:56influenced them perfectly by name and

21:58what things they'd learn from each

22:00person right and so this is when this

22:04process got really fascinating for me

22:05because the people who weren't very good

22:08at all they could never recall any names

22:11some said they weren't influenced

22:14for anyone or some said I live have been

22:15influenced by a lot of people and they

22:17can't really recall any of their names

22:18and just think about that for a moment

22:20you know imagine that you've been in

22:22this specific example some of these

22:25people had been software engineers for

22:27twenty years and they couldn't tell me a

22:30single person's name who had influenced

22:33them in their work now if someone can't

22:37recall a name if somebody who's

22:38influenced them and they've been doing

22:39it for 20 years this person obviously

22:41doesn't care all right and so I found a

22:45very strong and direct relationship and

22:49correlation between the clarity and the

22:54ability for somebody to recall who has

22:58influenced them and their work and the

23:00way they think and the actual put and

23:03the person's like objective output and

23:06raw skill level alright another question

23:09I asked was what books have taught you

23:13the most of our X and X could be filled

23:15so it could be you know what books have

23:17taught you the most about media buying

23:20what books have taught you the most

23:21about sales what books have taught you

23:23the most about customer support what

23:25books have taught you the most about

23:26software engineering right and then just

23:29be quiet and I just wait now some people

23:32say oh I don't know I can't remember any

23:36bad sign right but if you ask me saying

23:39what books have influenced you oh my god

23:41alright I can recall so many and I would

23:45happily talk to you about those books in

23:47great detail

23:49hundreds of them and I'd be able to tell

23:51you what I learned from each one and I'd

23:53be able to tell you how I discovered

23:54that book what I learned from that book

23:57how I implemented some of those

23:59learnings from that book in practice and

24:01how those learnings further developed

24:05and further evolved and also how I from

24:09that book discovered another book that

24:11taught me these other things that I then

24:13discovered this other book and in this

24:15other book and from that original book I

24:17discovered what inputs created that book

24:19so I would study the author and then

24:21what influences that author had had in

24:25order to take that

24:26and create this book right so I could go

24:30into ridiculous detail about these books

24:34and that is that's what's taught me you

24:38know what I know or different courses

24:40and that like that's what's taught me

24:42what I know so my output my results and

24:45my ability now and my skill level and

24:49all of that it's not really a function

24:52of of me being born with any any type of

24:57skill it's more a function of the

25:00quality of the inputs that I have been

25:03in contact with over my life

25:05all right and I've had the had the I've

25:12had the what do we call it the privilege

25:14of coming into contact with really great

25:17inputs and I make it a real priority of

25:21mine to find the best inputs and consume

25:24them and try to ignore and shut out all

25:28the bad inputs because you know bad

25:30inputs can rot away good inputs right

25:34and so when I started asking these

25:38questions if people couldn't tell me

25:39anybody who's influenced them or who

25:42they've idolized and if they couldn't

25:45tell me any books then pretty much with

25:49100% certainty and I know that nothing

25:52is a hundred percent certain but what I

25:54mean by saying that is extreme certainty

25:57there's almost well there was no case

25:59where this failed right so far over a

26:03over a collection of roughly a hundred

26:05interviews that I've done since this

26:08realization and nobody who couldn't

26:11recall a book or an influencer was any

26:16good and a lot of the people who were

26:20good were able to recall with clarity

26:23the influences in the books that had

26:26taught them a lot and it's not always

26:28books sometimes it's bloggers or YouTube

26:32channel or it might be an academic paper

26:34or white paper something like that write

26:37it or an article it doesn't always have

26:40to be

26:41books but the question I ask is books

26:43and that has been probably one of the

26:47biggest breakthroughs that I've made so

26:49far in trying to recruit and hire really

26:52talented people I have switched from

26:54asking questions about outputs and

26:56instead ask questions of our inputs

26:58because it's very hard to make up

27:01someone's name on the spot it's very

27:03hard to make up a books name on the spot

27:05try and do it you will fail at it right

27:07and this is a great way to interview

27:11people so I encourage you if you have a

27:14business and you're hiring people try to

27:17ask questions that relate to the

27:19individuals inputs not their outputs and

27:22then you will start to make leaps and

27:24bounds ahead at filtering out the the

27:29really good people and this lesson

27:32really goes deeper than this it's not

27:34just about how I learned this and

27:37improved my recruitment process at my

27:39company it's also about you because you

27:44might you might be an employee or you

27:47might be an entrepreneur who's just

27:50starting out or you might be an

27:52entrepreneur who's starting out already

27:53got some traction but you don't have any

27:57customers yet and you're not you're not

27:58well you've got some customers but

28:00you're not hiring a team yet right and

28:01so a lot of people they always want to

28:05know how do I get better how do I get to

28:06that next level how do I grow how do I

28:09make more money how do I get smarter how

28:11do i improve right and my answer to you

28:16for that question is to focus on your

28:20inputs not your outputs so really take

28:27an audit of your inputs like who are the

28:32five people that you spend the most time

28:34with what books have you read what

28:39information do you consume for example

28:42do you spend most of your time on

28:44Facebook and Instagram and YouTube and

28:47watching the news on CNN and things like

28:51that because if you do then I can

28:54guarantee you

28:54that your brain is rotting away it is

28:58absolutely rotting and disintegrating at

29:00a rapid rate and at the output that is

29:03coming out of that it's nothing you're

29:08probably delusional probably spouting

29:11off on social media about like

29:14Donald Trump and Flat Earth and all

29:18sorts of crap and probably just one of

29:22these people that I see on social media

29:24that has suffered immense brain decay

29:27due to really bad inputs right and it's

29:32not really that you're you're not smart

29:36and it's not really that you haven't

29:39been lucky it's mostly that you've been

29:42feeding your brain and so what

29:45you've got the and so really if you

29:50want to find the people who are really

29:54talented or if you yourself want to

29:56become really talented and successful

29:57you have to focus on the inputs what is

30:01going into your brain who are the five

30:02people you spend the most time with who

30:04your mentors who are massive influences

30:07that have shaped the way you think about

30:10in the way you do your work and what

30:13books have you read that have taught you

30:16the most right if you can't name books

30:19and if you can't name influences in the

30:21way that you do your work and everything

30:23if you also don't have mentors and the

30:26people the five people you spend the

30:28most time with if they're not really

30:31going anywhere then this isn't really

30:34news but it will be probably received as

30:37news for you right now you ain't going

30:39anywhere

30:39right you have to make sure that your

30:42inputs are good like raise the average

30:45of race the like aggregate and talent

30:48intelligence level of the five people

30:50that you spend the most time with you

30:51will get smarter right stop going on

30:54social media and start reading books

30:56instead stop watching marathon Netflix

30:59series and start enrolling in some

31:01courses instead stop going out and

31:04drinking and talking about stupid

31:07and

31:08early hours of the morning and start

31:10going to sleep early and reading and

31:14learning and growing your mind instead

31:16of poisoning it and punishing it right

31:18and really focus on your inputs because

31:22garbage in garbage out and this it

31:26doesn't matter what you're looking at in

31:28the world anywhere if it is in the

31:30universe and it is observable even if

31:32it's virtual or in atoms or bits it

31:35doesn't matter this law remains true and

31:39so this is one of those cool universal

31:41laws and universal principles that you

31:44can use and apply to anything that you

31:47want in life so if you want to get

31:49better focus on your inputs if you want

31:51to find really good people to hire what

31:53are their inputs ask them and if you're

31:56trying to help other people get better

31:57inputs always inputs get them right

32:00outputs will follow so that's it for

32:03this video I hope you enjoyed it hope

32:05you learned something and if you did

32:07just click that like button and also

32:11subscribe to my channel here I release

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32:16Tuesday as well as customer interviews

32:19and live stream Q&A s with my customer

32:23community and also let me know what you

32:25thought in the comments section below if

32:27you liked it if you want to give me some

32:29feedback or if you've got any questions

32:30just put there in the comment section

32:32below

32:33so thanks for watching and I'll see you

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