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0:00everyone same ovens here and in today's

0:02video I want to tell you why Outsiders

0:04always win now I just finished reading

0:08this book called The Outsiders and it's

0:13by William in Thorndyke and I'll put a

0:16link to this book in the resources

0:19section beneath this video on my blog so

0:21that you can find it and you know this

0:24book is actually number one on Warren

0:27Buffett's reading list and it's an

0:30incredible book and I highly recommend

0:32that you buy it and you read it and you

0:35will learn a lot from this book

0:38now what this book's basically about is

0:41it's about outsiders and what an

0:46outsider really is is that somebody who

0:49is outside of the traditional industry

0:53so let me give you a perfect example

0:55like Elon Musk is an outsider when it

0:59comes to the auto industry you know for

1:02for a very long time car manufacturers

1:06in Detroit and overseas they've really

1:09just dominated the auto manufacturing

1:12industry and they've had these specific

1:14ways of doing business in these specific

1:16routines and methods and processes and

1:19everything and then someone like Elon

1:21Musk comes along and he brings radical

1:25new ideas because he's an outsider

1:28you know Elon Musk is from Silicon

1:31Valley and he comes from the software in

1:33the startup world and then he comes in

1:37and he starts looking at making econo

1:39right and whenever an outsider

1:43approaches an existing industry with

1:46outside perspectives and outside views

1:50of things they create a big ruckus and

1:54most of the time they win and they

1:58change the industry for ever they

2:02completely radicalize it turn it upside

2:04down and shake things up now Elon Musk

2:09is also done the same thing to the space

2:10industry you know he entered an industry

2:13we

2:13it was basically NASA and governments

2:16where we hadn't seen any innovation in

2:19like 40 years and he came in and started

2:22bringing his Silicon Valley view's and

2:24has start-up mentality to space

2:28exploration and he did the same there

2:30and what this book's really about is

2:34different Outsiders and specifically

2:37outsider CEOs throughout history who

2:41have really performed at the world's

2:45best levels now what's really

2:48interesting is if you say to someone or

2:51if you ask most people the question hey

2:53who is a CEO who is one of the greatest

2:56CEOs of all time all right

2:58they will typically say well Jack Welch

3:01right from GE but what's funny is that

3:05you know Jack Welch's is most commonly

3:08known as one of the best CEOs or the

3:10best CEO of all time right and it's like

3:13an Owen thing but when you really look

3:17at the numbers it's quite different and

3:20what this book the outsiders does is it

3:25looks to find the most successful CEOs

3:28of all time not by this social

3:32popularity not by their fame or not by

3:36public opinion but by their return on

3:40capital over the tenure of their role of

3:44the tenure of their role as CEO right so

3:48it takes a proper look at the numbers

3:51not just the public opinion and when if

3:56you really look at Jack Welch throughout

3:58his tenure at GE based on the numbers

4:01and return on capital he's actually not

4:04that good but what Jack Welch was a

4:06master of was being like being out there

4:12you know he would go and attend press

4:14conferences he would he would fly around

4:17to network you know he would make

4:19himself public he was he had like

4:22charisma and he was an extroverted

4:24person and he made himself

4:27and he made himself famous that was what

4:30Jack Welch was good at but when it comes

4:33to the raw numbers of it he actually

4:36wasn't there good and this is something

4:40that I find very fascinating because I

4:41see this all over the place in every

4:43industry all the time constantly there

4:47is two there is two very separate and

4:50distinct things there's being famous and

4:53then there's being really good at what

4:57you do and these two things are not the

5:00same thing and quite often they're in

5:04stark contrast to each other

5:06generally the people that are very

5:08famous aren't very good and the people

5:12that are very good aren't very famous

5:14but what's funny is that most common

5:17folk mistake fame for skill or

5:21performance and so in this book The

5:25Outsiders William the the author he

5:30studies about how many CEOs eight CEOs

5:33so the sub headline is eight

5:35unconventional CEOs and the erratically

5:38rational blueprint for success right so

5:41in this book he studies eight of them

5:42one of which is Warren Buffett and all

5:46of them other than Warren Buffett you

5:48will have never heard of before and all

5:50of them are extremely high performing

5:53CEOs and what's funny is that all of

5:57them share pretty much the same views in

6:01the same philosophy and what that is is

6:04it's they calls them Outsiders because

6:07all of them are basically outsiders to

6:10the industries that they operate in and

6:14being an outsider enables these people

6:17to think differently and to really throw

6:21out all of the dogmas and all of the you

6:25know conventional assumed truths of the

6:28industry and all of the standard

6:30processes and best practices these

6:33people because they're outsiders they

6:34come in with a fresh perspective and

6:37they refuse to just accept the status

6:39quo they

6:41want to analyze everything in forensic

6:43detail and ask why about everything and

6:46really just shuffle everything around

6:49and shake things up and do it the way

6:51they think makes sense regardless of

6:54what is the normal or the standard way

6:57of doing things and one thing I find

7:01very interesting is all of these CEOs

7:03have these traits in common the first

7:06one is that all of them believe that

7:11leadership is about analysis not

7:16charisma which is something I find quite

7:19interesting because someone who is

7:21someone like Jack Welch you know he's

7:23more of your charismatic CEO who was

7:25very well-known to people but you know

7:29we when it came to the numbers he wasn't

7:31actually that good but these people viii

7:34unconventional CEOs including Buffett

7:36they weren't that well-known they

7:39weren't that charismatic but they were

7:42exceptional at the numbers the second

7:45thing is is they all view their

7:48businesses as if they're private

7:51companies so even though these companies

7:53are public all the CEOs treat them as if

7:56they're their own private businesses and

7:58they have a particular focus on cash

8:01flows so not so much profits but cash

8:04flows which is another very interesting

8:07thing and the third thing is that they

8:10have a unconventional like idiosyncratic

8:15way of thinking and way of operating

8:17so all eight of these unconventional

8:20CEOs they will basically analyze

8:25everything and then they will make their

8:27decisions based on what based on what

8:31they think is right even if that is at

8:34odds to what everyone else does and

8:37everyone else tells them to do and this

8:40is a very powerful skill you know

8:42whenever you go to do something there's

8:44the socially accepted like right way to

8:47do it and then there's the way that the

8:50data tells you that you should do it and

8:53what I've observed

8:55in in my life so far is that most people

8:59don't look at the data they don't

9:02conduct their own analysis and instead

9:04what they do is they just seek social

9:07validation and they will just follow the

9:09crowd and that is pretty much how all

9:12CEOs believe it or not right run their

9:16businesses most CEOs run their

9:19businesses by just doing what everybody

9:21else is doing and just doing what's

9:25fashionable but these eight

9:28unconventional CEOs they actually take

9:31the time to break everything down

9:33analyze it and then do what the data

9:38says and pretty much all of the time

9:40what the data says is not what everybody

9:43else thinks they should be doing now let

9:46me give you some examples of these

9:47things because you know right now I'm

9:49just talking about like a concept but

9:51let me give you an actual example to

9:53really bring some clarity to this point

9:55so pretty much all of these CEOs they

10:00decided that it was not worth their time

10:03to do press conferences interviews and

10:08even go and meet with analysts and

10:11investors and news channels which is

10:17pretty interesting right a lot of CEOs

10:20think that their job is to you know keep

10:23a public appearance to you know to go

10:26around and meet different people get

10:28photos with different people do

10:30interviews on all of the different TV

10:32stations and then to also go and meet

10:35with Wall Street and analysts and all of

10:37that to make sure that they're looking

10:38after them and very quickly you know a

10:42lot of CEOs they become people pleasers

10:44they just become a face with a nice

10:47smile and a handshake and you know all

10:50they're really interested in doing is

10:52keeping up appearances as soon as a CEO

10:55starts keeping up appearances you know

10:59that they're done and what these CEOs

11:04instead do is they do not keep up public

11:07appearances

11:08they don't even do any public

11:10appearances a lot of these CEOs never

11:13attended any trade shows never attended

11:15any events they never met with Wall

11:18Street once and they never did any

11:20interviews with the press or the news

11:23ever they didn't do any of it and when

11:28they were asked why they just said well

11:31it's simple like our role is to run our

11:35company the best we possibly can and

11:39running our company means you know

11:41focusing on the company making sure

11:43we've got good talent we're producing

11:45good products and that we're keeping our

11:47eye on the ball in the numbers so that

11:49we can produce profit and you know grow

11:52the the total market valuation of this

11:57company so that our vests our investors

11:59make a return right that's what a good

12:02CEO does now if you're out meeting with

12:06Wall Street and if you're out doing

12:08public appearances and if you're out

12:11doing TV interviews then you're not

12:14doing that because that isn't that so if

12:17you're doing that you're not doing that

12:18and if you're not doing that then you're

12:21not really doing your job as a CEO and I

12:24find this one fascinating because I see

12:27the same thing existing right now in

12:30business not with public CEOs but just

12:33with small business owners and

12:35entrepreneurs and you will have seen

12:38this one - you know there's business

12:41owners these days in 2018 with social

12:44media and all of this crap like a lot of

12:46them have confused business with like

12:50being a celebrity and they think that

12:54and they actually spend most of their

12:56time like on Instagram doing Facebook

13:00lives creating posts creating blog posts

13:03doing podcasts doing interviews speaking

13:06at events writing an Amazon best-selling

13:08book and basically doing all of this

13:11crap that is basically just keeping up

13:15public appearances and trying to look

13:18good and none of the

13:20is actually running a good business all

13:22right

13:23and so this is a thing that I find

13:26interesting because this is what great

13:29CEOs don't do and I've experienced this

13:33myself like the fashionable thing to do

13:35right now you know if we're gonna follow

13:37fashion in business well it's to create

13:40a YouTube channel as snapchat and

13:43Instagram and Facebook it's to do

13:45Facebook lives it's to have a podcast

13:48it's to have a blog and it's to go speak

13:52onstage have a best-selling book on

13:54Amazon it's to do all of this crap all

13:57right that's what's fashionable right

13:59now and garyvee will tell you that and

14:02the problem is is that a lot of business

14:06owners are doing this and when they're

14:09doing so much of this they don't have

14:10any time to actually work on the things

14:12that really matter

14:13so they're not improving their product

14:16they're not hiring and maintaining great

14:19talent and they're not improving their

14:21systems in their efficiency and they're

14:24not watching their numbers and making

14:26good capital allocation decisions

14:28instead they're just trying to be famous

14:30and I noticed this one myself and I

14:34actually followed that path for a little

14:36bit and I started trying to be this you

14:39know social this entrepreneurs celebrity

14:42person and it sucked I couldn't I

14:46couldn't wrap my head around why I was

14:49out there making videos of myself and

14:52instead of actually just working on my

14:54business and creating great products

14:57shipping them to customers

14:59making sure my customers are looked

15:01after hiring great talent building

15:03systems and growing right and I just

15:07couldn't handle it so I stopped doing

15:09that completely and I started focusing

15:10on my business and that's really one of

15:13the things that's enabled me to have

15:14such massive growth in my business to

15:17date is by being unconventional like by

15:20actually ignoring what's fashionable

15:23which is the social media stuff ignoring

15:26that stuff and just focusing on the

15:28business so this book was quite

15:30fascinating for me to read and it will

15:32be fascinating for you too

15:33because it really proves that if

15:36everyone's doing it it's probably the

15:39wrong thing to do and all of the best

15:42CEOs of all time and this is not by

15:45opinion this is by the numbers they were

15:49unconventional and they were not people

15:51that just wanted to be famous you you

15:55cannot mistake fame for success the two

15:58are not the same thing and they at odds

16:00with each other and another thing I

16:03found very interesting about these CEOs

16:07is that a lot of them were

16:11mathematicians and engineers so they

16:13weren't people with like pedigree

16:16business MBAs or things like that almost

16:19none of them had that you know these

16:21weren't people with business degrees or

16:24or Harvard MBAs or things like that

16:26these were like engineers chemical

16:29engineers or like chemists and also

16:33mathematicians right so they were

16:36systems thinkers they were problem

16:39solvers and systems thinkers and they

16:41were obsessed with inputs processes

16:44outputs feedback and efficiency and they

16:47approached business in every way shape

16:50and form as if they were an engineer and

16:54this is something that I've noticed to

16:56be true across pretty much all of the

16:59best business minds in history you know

17:02they're not really business people

17:04they're not what public opinion makes

17:08like entrepreneurs out to be they're not

17:10just people who want to make a lot of

17:12money and you know a really smooth

17:15talking salespeople or anything like

17:17this really they're just problem solvers

17:19and analytical thinkers and they

17:22approach business as if it's a problem

17:25and they seek to solve it and really

17:27engineer it to be as efficient as

17:30possible and this is something that I

17:33find very interesting and it's also you

17:37know Elon Musk is a classic example he's

17:39an engineer that is in business and

17:41doing quite well in business and Jeff

17:44Bezos if you read any

17:46books about him and actually there's

17:49only one I know of which is called the

17:50everything store highly recommend it go

17:52buy it it's an awesome book you'll

17:55notice that basil Supremes the same way

17:57he approaches things like an engineer

18:00and you know most of the best business

18:04men of all times they they do this

18:07they're do syncretic they don't really

18:10care about public appearances they focus

18:13on analysis not charisma and they don't

18:17worry about people pleasing they just

18:19focus on actually delivering results and

18:22they're all they also approach business

18:24as if it's an engineering problem and

18:27they have a particular focus on cash

18:30flow instead of profit and they've also

18:34got you know an idiosyncratic way of

18:36thinking so a classic example is you

18:40know a lot of these companies they in

18:43times when they didn't know where to

18:45allocate capital efficiently they would

18:48just buy their stock back off the public

18:50so like the traditional company back in

18:54these times they would they would issue

18:58dividends so they would try to make a

19:00profit they try to make a profit as big

19:02as possible because then with big

19:04profits they could make big dividend

19:06payments to their investors and they

19:09would try to match analysts projections

19:12of their company and try to keep up on

19:15their earnings forecasts and they were

19:18people-pleasing with Wall Street all the

19:20time and that's and they never bought

19:24back their own stock they would always

19:26try to acquire more companies and

19:29basically just grow profits and then

19:32just distribute all of those profits to

19:34their investors through dividends right

19:36that's what the typical company did but

19:39pretty much all of these guys all of the

19:41eight unconventional CEOs and they

19:45bought back their own stock which was

19:48something that like no company did

19:50because they believed in the company so

19:52much that when they thought it was

19:54undervalued they would buy their stock

19:56back off the public and own it

19:58themselves and they

20:00huge share buybacks which was very

20:04unconventional another thing they did

20:06was they didn't pay any dividends they

20:09instead just focused on growing the

20:12valuation of the company and so there's

20:17another thing another thing they did is

20:18they did not care for earnings

20:22projections or forecasts or matching

20:25analysts projections for for the

20:28company's earnings instead what they did

20:31is they just reported the numbers as

20:34they were and they told investors

20:36through their letters to shareholders

20:37which are great to read as well I

20:40recommend reading Warren Buffett's

20:42Berkshire Hathaway leaders to

20:44shareholders all of them it's it's

20:45really good reading and they would tell

20:48they would tell investors through their

20:50leaders sushi holders like we will not

20:53smooth our our our project we will not

20:57smooth our financial results you know if

20:59if the reports if the financials are

21:02spikey when they come through to

21:05corporate they will be spiky when

21:07they're delivered to you because what a

21:09lot of companies do is they will they

21:12look at what analysts are forecasting

21:14for their company and then they're so

21:16obsessed about keeping up this public

21:18appearance with analysts that they will

21:20then manipulate their numbers so that

21:23they're on par with what analysts

21:26forecast for them because they believe

21:28and this is delusional but honestly this

21:30is what most public company CEOs do they

21:34believe that the way that their company

21:37is going to be worth more is if they

21:40continue to match analysts forecasts for

21:43their company which is so stupid

21:47right like these people they've become

21:50so obsessed with what the public thinks

21:52of them that they're willing to make

21:55manipulate their numbers just so that

21:58the public thinks good of them and then

22:01they think that if the public thinks

22:02good of them then their company will be

22:05worth more money which is totally messed

22:08up you know if you're running a company

22:10based on public perception it's you're

22:13just you're you're

22:15you've got a ticking time bomb in your

22:16hands you know at the end of the day the

22:20only thing that really matters is value

22:23and you can fool people for a short

22:25period of time through perception right

22:28but over time that perception will fade

22:32away and people will always weigh you

22:34based on value and so what good CEOs do

22:38is they focus on value and they ignore

22:40perception because they know that if the

22:44public just doesn't think that they're

22:46very good at the moment it doesn't

22:48matter because they'll eventually find

22:50out that they are good all right in a

22:52classic case of this is Amazon you know

22:56if you look at Amazon's

22:57early history as a public company back

23:00when did when did Amazon IPO 1997 so if

23:05you look back at Amazon in its early

23:07years 1997 to 2000 you'll see that you

23:11know the public markets absolutely hated

23:14them the public markets thought Amazon

23:17was a scam

23:18there was actually websites out there

23:20that said like Amazon is a scam calm and

23:23they all thought that Amazon was just a

23:27stupid business in a scam and they

23:30thought that Jeff Bezos was an idiot

23:33because he didn't want to make profits

23:35in his business and this is again what

23:38I'm telling you about

23:39you know Outsiders unconventional

23:42thinking and unconventional CEOs you

23:45know Bezos took a different view to

23:47things he thought making profit was

23:49inefficient and instead he seeked to to

23:53grow the size of his company because he

23:57knew that if he could take the market

23:59and have massive growth that in the long

24:02term he could then make massive profits

24:06but that would mean it in the short term

24:08he would have to sacrifice profits and

24:12investors back in the times when he was

24:14pulling the strategy they couldn't wrap

24:17their heads around it you know back then

24:18investors they were just the only thing

24:21they knew was profits so in Amazon

24:23didn't deliver any profits they thought

24:25it was a scam but just

24:28got what how much money you would have

24:29right now if you invested in Amazon back

24:32in 1997 and you still had that stock

24:35today and just imagine how the people

24:39who called Amazon scam and who called

24:43Jeff Bezos an idiot will be feeling

24:46right now looking at the numbers right

24:49and this is what I mean you've got to be

24:51you know if you want to be really

24:53successful in business you have to be

24:56willing to go against the crowd and you

24:59have to be willing to really analyze

25:01things you know look at the data break

25:04things down to their first principles

25:07and analyze them and really question

25:10everything ask why about everything and

25:13then determine the right way that you

25:16think it should be done and if you do

25:19this correctly you will find that pretty

25:22much the way that everyone is doing

25:24everything is wrong and what I mean by

25:28that is that pretty much the popular

25:31common fashionable ways of running a

25:33business and doing anything they're

25:36wrong and if you don't believe me just

25:38go and read this book or go and study

25:43any of the most successful companies or

25:46the most successful entrepreneurs of all

25:49time and you'll see what I'm talking

25:51about and if you want some classic

25:53examples well you can read The Outsiders

25:56but you can also read Amazon's

26:00letters to shareholders from 1997

26:02through to 2017

26:04all right I'll include that PDF beneath

26:06in the resources also I'll include

26:11Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway

26:13letters to shareholders I'll include all

26:14of them as one PDF below and also you

26:17should read Google's letters to

26:19shareholders they I P owed in I can't

26:24remember the exact date but I think it's

26:25around 2004 they opioid and so I'll

26:28include 2004 all the way through till

26:312017 so I'll compile them into single

26:35PDFs and you can download them beneath

26:37in the resources section read those

26:39letters to shareholders from those three

26:42companies you know that's Warren Buffett

26:44Berkshire Hathaway

26:45that's Jeff Bezos or Simmons on and

26:48Larry Page and Sergey Brin at Google

26:51right so we're looking at three pretty

26:54good companies Google Berkshire and

26:57Amazon and we're also looking at eight

27:01other unconventional CEOs and if you

27:04read this book and study those things

27:06you'll see what I'm talking about you

27:08can also look into Elon Musk and there's

27:12a great book written about him I think

27:14it's just called mask and it's written

27:16by a woman there's only like one major

27:19book written about him I'll put the link

27:22to that Elon Musk book beneath this

27:24video to read all of these things

27:26they're incredible resources you'll

27:28learn a lot and it'll make you a lot

27:30smarter and a lot better businessman or

27:32businesswoman but you'll find that all

27:36of these people are unconventional all

27:39of them go against the crowd all of them

27:42do things differently

27:44all of them are Outsiders all of them

27:46were ridiculed in the early stages right

27:51so the thing about being different and

27:53the thing about being unconventional an

27:57idiosyncratic

27:57is that you're going to piss some people

27:59off you're going when you you know it's

28:02like imagine I'll give you an example

28:04imagine if you went into a church filled

28:07with avid believers right and you just

28:11started saying things like you know the

28:14church like God doesn't exist or things

28:17like this right if you walked in there

28:19and started saying that to those people

28:20you're gonna you're gonna that you're

28:22gonna cause a ruckus in absolute ruckus

28:24you might even get killed right

28:27and so when you quit when you go against

28:31someone's firm beliefs you're going to

28:33cause some drama and so that is why like

28:37a lot of these people Bezos goggle

28:41Buffett and all of these CEOs in this

28:44book they caused ruckuses but they

28:48didn't cause them on purpose they caused

28:50them because they did their own analysis

28:53and they found that the way to do things

28:54was

28:55print than the way everyone else was

28:56doing it and they didn't really care

28:59about what they thought because they had

29:02so much conviction in their own analysis

29:04and they just did it anyway and this is

29:08another thing you've got to learn as an

29:09entrepreneur like when you have

29:11conviction about something and you've

29:13got good data that backs it up and you

29:15do it you're going to piss some people

29:18off people are going to ridicule you but

29:20you cannot back down

29:23you can't waver you have to stay on that

29:25path and see it through to the end and

29:27often it takes years and then eventually

29:31everyone realizes that you were right

29:33and they were like oh he got that

29:36right just like the people who thought

29:39Bezos was an idiot and that Emma's on

29:41was a scam and then you know now he's

29:44the richest guy in the world and Amazon

29:46is like one of the largest companies in

29:47the world and it actually had a

29:50valuation of a trillion dollars recently

29:52so that's what happens that's what

29:56happens by being unconventional now it's

29:59not just a better make this point to

30:02being unconventional for the sake of

30:04being unconventional is stupid right so

30:07if you just see the way everyone's doing

30:08something and then you just decide I'm

30:10going to do something differently like

30:11that's that's not a good reason to do it

30:13like what you've got to do is you've got

30:16to do your analysis find out the way

30:19that you believe is best and if the way

30:22that it you believe is best is the way

30:24that everyone else believes is best you

30:27still do it anyway

30:27right like myself and the guys in these

30:31books like they didn't if the way that

30:35they believed was true was the way

30:37everyone else believed was true so just

30:39do it anyway they didn't care they

30:40weren't trying to be unconventional an

30:43idiosyncratic

30:44but if the way they found was true was

30:48not the way everyone else believed was

30:49true they just did it anyway and so

30:52you've got to actually have some

30:53evidence and grounding in your decision

30:56to to do what your going to do but if

30:59it's not conventional don't worry about

31:01it and you've got to be willing to take

31:03the heat and take the ridicule for doing

31:07it anyway that's an

31:09important thing and an important message

31:11that I would tell most entrepreneurs

31:13because I see a lot of people try to do

31:14things differently in the and then they

31:16get they get like ridiculed or

31:19criticized and then they back down or

31:21they change their ways and they just

31:23retreat back to the standard way of

31:24doing things you can't do this you have

31:27to stay on the path so that's it for

31:31this video I just wanted to tell you why

31:34Outsiders always win get this book buy

31:38it links beneath this video on the

31:40resources as well as the Elon Musk book

31:43and those three letters to shareholders

31:46these are incredible pieces of content I

31:49really recommend books and resources and

31:53things and so if I do they're ones that

31:57I've personally read and probably read

31:59more than three times so go grab them

32:02and if you liked this video just click

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32:20video about once per week as well as

32:22customer interviews and other resources

32:25so that's it for this video thanks for

32:27watching and I look forward to seeing

32:28you in the next one soon

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