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0:00everyone say Mervyn's here and in

0:02today's video I want to talk to you

0:05about the true cost of communication and

0:08this is a this is a topic that I'm

0:12really interested in right now because

0:13with my company consulting.com we grew

0:18pretty quickly over the past two years

0:19and we got up to the point where we had

0:23almost 50 people we had 40 something

0:26employees and what I had noticed is that

0:30you know somehow some way we were going

0:35a bit slower well we were actually going

0:37considerably slower it with more people

0:40then we were with less and this I

0:45couldn't really get my head around it I

0:47was like what if we used to have you

0:49know less people and we were paying them

0:52less money because there was less of

0:54them then how are we doing better then

0:57than we are now because we've got more

0:59people working so surely more people

1:01working means we should be getting you

1:04know more work done and that wasn't the

1:07case and so this really fascinated me

1:10and I dug into it and I've really been

1:12researching a lot over the past six

1:14months and I've made some pretty radical

1:17changes to my company as well and so I

1:20just want to walk you through what I've

1:23found what my findings are and how I

1:27used to run my company in the structure

1:29and then what the problem was that

1:33occurred with that structure and then

1:35how I've rectified that problem and what

1:37my plans are for the future and my hopes

1:39and doing this is that you as an

1:43entrepreneur or somebody that's starting

1:44a business and becoming an entrepreneur

1:46when you go to hire people and form a

1:49team you know you don't make the same

1:50mistake so let's jump right into it so

1:55let's make this real simple you know if

1:57you're just one person working on a

2:00project well you're just one person and

2:03there's zero lines of communication

2:05right but then as soon as you've got two

2:09people there's one line of communication

2:12because you need to talk to this

2:13person that person might need to talk to

2:15you there's one line and then as soon as

2:17we've got three people there's three

2:18lines because this person might need to

2:21talk to that person and so on but this

2:25is where it gets interesting

2:26as soon as we add in four people we get

2:29six lines five we get ten six we get

2:32fifteen 7:21 eight twenty eight nine

2:35thirty six 10:45 and by the time we get

2:38up to fourteen people there's 91 lines

2:40of communication so this is quite

2:43interesting because you know when we're

2:46at one there's zero - there's one three

2:49there's three and so everything's kind

2:52of good up until three and then we start

2:54to get more lines here and it gets

2:57exponential and what really goes on here

3:01is this is what happens with teams and

3:04companies you know the more people you

3:06add to the team it's simple at first and

3:08communication is relatively easy but the

3:11more people you add in the more the

3:15exponential the more communication lines

3:19there are and it grows exponentially so

3:22it's not linear and this is what kills

3:25most companies is they can't tame this

3:28thing and it blows up and how this

3:32really happens is you know there's a

3:34formula that you can use so if inners

3:36people and so if we take people and then

3:40multiply it by people minus one and then

3:44divide it by two we will get the total

3:46number of lines in between the number of

3:50people right so here's a formula you can

3:52use to figure out figure out exactly how

3:55many lines of communication there will

3:57be with any number of people in a group

3:59or a team and what I did is I plotted

4:03this out in a Google sheet and you can

4:06see what I did here I plotted the number

4:08of people then I figured out the the

4:11number of lines using that formula which

4:13I just showed you and you can see it

4:16growing up here and then the total

4:20number of hours

4:21they work so you know I assumed let's

4:24just say these people are going to work

4:2650 hours per week each

4:27right now the communication hours

4:31because this is total hours that they're

4:33at the office but communication hours

4:34how many of those 50 hours are spent

4:36communicating well when there's just one

4:38person by themselves is 0-2 there's one

4:41and I basically just used the number of

4:44lines as the number of communication

4:49hours but I think I yeah I at 90% now

4:54obviously this could be different but

4:56I'm just using this to to make a simple

5:00illustration and then we've got our net

5:03hours so the total hours the the people

5:05put in less communication hours equals

5:09net hours and net hours is basically the

5:12number of hours that are spent working

5:13and doing things versus just talking to

5:17people because talking isn't really

5:19doing and doing isn't talking and so

5:24these are that this is the output net

5:26hours and then the efficiency so how

5:31many net hours as like a percentage of

5:34total hours that's the efficiency and

5:37then what the total cost is and so if

5:41I've got if these people who are working

5:4350 hours per week paid roughly a hundred

5:45grand per year then 450 for the total

5:52cost of them for one week would be

5:55roughly that much money

5:56mm and then the cost per net hour so if

6:02we've got one person paid a hundred

6:04grand a year then per week they're

6:06getting paid one nine to three

6:07and then if the communication hours are

6:10zero and their net hours are fifty in

6:11there at 100% efficiency then the cost

6:13per net hour is 38 right but look what

6:17starts to happen as we add more people

6:19to the team so at two people were at 98%

6:22efficiency and our cost per net hour has

6:25gone up by like two and then by the time

6:30we get to three people we're at 95%

6:33efficiency and our cost per net hour has

6:35gone up a lot and then by the time we

6:38get down to like by

6:41the time we get there's a real steep

6:43drop-off pretty much right at the number

6:47five mark so at five people on a team

6:51we're at 82 percent efficiency but as

6:53soon as we go to six we drop quite a lot

6:57and then we drop again rapidly and then

7:00it starts going really rapidly down and

7:03by the time we're at 11 people on a team

7:05we're at zero percent efficiency and we

7:08don't even have any net hours and it's

7:1110 people on a team we're at 18 percent

7:14efficiency and efficacy at hour of two

7:19thousand dollars and this is actually

7:22what happens at companies and they don't

7:25really understand how this works and to

7:28see it plotted on a chart to show you

7:32how this works is here across this

7:37x-axis we have a number of people right

7:39what most people think is that you know

7:43if we just add an additional person then

7:46we should be able to get twice as much

7:47work done or if a project is moving at

7:50you know at a certain rate if we add

7:53another person to the team then it

7:55should move at twice the rate that's

7:58what people think but that isn't what

8:00work that isn't what happens and so here

8:03we can see this red line is the linear

8:07increase in the number of people but

8:10then here this blue line this is the

8:12number of communication lines and it

8:14grows exponentially in relationship to a

8:17linear addition of people and what you

8:21really have to watch out for isn't the

8:23number of people but the number of

8:26connections between the people because

8:28this is where the inefficiency happens

8:31and the communication happens and this

8:35is really where all of the cost gets

8:37absorbed and so net hours as we add more

8:43people goes down this is the green one

8:45so you can see as we add more people

8:48communication lines increase and net

8:52hours goes down

8:54and then the yellow line we can see

8:58efficiency right and so we start going

9:03down with this as well and so this is

9:08what happens when you add more people to

9:10a team your total number of lines

9:14communication lines goes up

9:15exponentially your efficiency goes down

9:19the toilet and the net hours they're

9:22spent building things goes down and this

9:26is basically how companies blow up and

9:28this is what I started to experience

9:30with consulting comm I'll give you a

9:33perfect example so in our engineering

9:38team as we added you know when we had

9:40one person working we were moving pretty

9:43quick and then we added more people to

9:46the team and then we started going

9:48slower and I couldn't really understand

9:50why I was like what we added more people

9:53to the team how are we going so this

9:55doesn't make any sense but then I

9:58started to look closer at what was

9:59happening and you know when you when you

10:02add more people to a team they have to

10:04be brought up to speed the person who

10:06has to bring them up to speed is the

10:07person who was productively working so

10:09now that person who was working has to

10:11stop and teach this other person how to

10:13work and then if that other person

10:15they're teaching how to work eventually

10:17learns how to work and then starts

10:19working then if they're not as talented

10:23as that first person or as productive as

10:26that first person then all of that was

10:28just for waste because now you've

10:30distracted your productive person and

10:32you've taken everyone off the work just

10:34to teach someone else how to do it who

10:37isn't going to be able to do it as

10:38efficiently as the first person and

10:40you're paying twice as much money and

10:43now these two people have to communicate

10:44and you can see what happens very

10:47quickly it turns into a mess and this is

10:50what happened at my company within some

10:52of the teams they got an efficient but

10:53then also what I noticed is that the

10:56teams started to interact with other

10:59teams and that all got inefficient and

11:01I'm sure you'll probably notice this at

11:04a company you know when people start

11:05saying oh we have communication problems

11:08and look we need everyone needs to

11:10communicate better you know these are

11:13signs that you have this problem going

11:15on in your business and it's not really

11:18that people should just be communicating

11:20better the truth is it's just damn

11:22impossible to get everybody on the same

11:25page once you've got more than about 15

11:26people it's impossible

11:28everyone would spend their entire day

11:30just telling each other what they're

11:32doing and what they're planning on doing

11:33and what they're thinking about doing

11:35and everyone would just be talking the

11:38whole time 15 of them and still no one

11:41would be on the same page so it's stupid

11:44when communication is totally

11:47inefficient and this is how most

11:49companies die because they're

11:51exponential cost in communication ends

11:54up crippling them because they're

11:56spending more money wasting more time

11:58and delivering less work so that's the

12:04problem and you're probably thinking

12:05well what do you do about it and what

12:09the way to really fix this problem is

12:11with something called information

12:13architecture and IA information

12:18architecture this is what I've spent a

12:20lot of my time digging into over the

12:21past six months there's really three

12:25main components to information

12:27architecture you've got your people your

12:29context and your content and so people

12:32are like the talents the people you've

12:33got on your team the individual people

12:36and then how those individuals come

12:38together to form different teams and how

12:40those different teams come together to

12:43form the overall organization structure

12:46and then the physical environment that

12:49those teams sit in and work in each day

12:54so your office whether it's open plan or

12:57whether it's private or virtual or

13:00whatever and then you've got context

13:02which is like the business vision

13:04mission goals and KPIs so when you've

13:09got some people working then they need

13:11some context like what are we trying to

13:13do here what's the goal what's what are

13:16we measuring right they need to have

13:18these yet they need to know like what

13:20they're actually trying to which

13:22Eve and then once they understand what

13:24they're trying to achieve and they know

13:26what team they're in and how the whole

13:28company is structured then they start

13:31needing content they need specific

13:34pieces of information and feedback so

13:36that they can optimize their inputs

13:39to better achieve this KPI and you know

13:44content can come from communication my

13:46asking someone else data looking at a

13:48report or asking someone to pull a

13:50report and feedback feedback from other

13:52people customers teams financials things

13:57like that

13:57and really one of the best things a CEO

14:02can do or an entrepreneur can do is

14:04engineer this properly so how do we best

14:10how do we best engineer the

14:13communication lines in the structure in

14:15the architecture between people context

14:18and content it's a very difficult

14:21problem but it is so extremely important

14:25and what I'm going to do right now is

14:28just walk you through each one of these

14:29three people context content and tell

14:31you what I've learned from my experience

14:35so far and you know I'm sure this will

14:39help you a lot so with context you want

14:41to start with context everything must

14:44start here if you don't start here you

14:46don't even know what people you should

14:48have on your team and you don't even

14:49know what content those people need to

14:52achieve this context right so it starts

14:53with context everything starts here and

14:57really if we look at it from its first

15:00principle was the first thing you want

15:02to do is identify like what problem are

15:06you solving because really at its core a

15:10business is a produces solutions to a

15:14problem who has problems people so for

15:18who who are the people we are helping

15:19what is their problem define that and

15:23then what is the future you aim to

15:25create you know it should be in the

15:28short medium long term to what degree

15:31are you going to have solved this

15:33problem and what is the future going to

15:35look like

15:36with their problem solved what is the

15:39future you're creating what's your

15:41company's vision and mission and then

15:44what principles underpin your philosophy

15:47what philosophy do you have in the

15:49people who are going to be on your

15:51company have in order to care about this

15:54want to solve this problem for these

15:56people and build this future right very

15:59important and a philosophy is a belief

16:02system built from components of

16:04principles so you need your principles

16:08like ten and five to ten of these

16:10together this forms the philosophy this

16:13philosophy cares about solving this

16:14problem for this person and building

16:16this future and then what's your Polaris

16:20star metric this is like your TrueNorth

16:22your guiding star like what is it is it

16:26growth and is it engagement is it

16:29revenue like what is there metric and

16:32what are your company and team's KPIs

16:37key performance indicators so overall

16:39how are you going to measure the

16:41performance of your company as a whole

16:43and then how are you going to measure

16:45the performance of the individual teams

16:47and the individuals the people on those

16:52teams how are you going to measure all

16:55of these different dimensions of the

16:58system and you want to start here and

17:01really think clearly about this first

17:03and you want to define these things and

17:05you want to write them down and if you

17:08want more help thinking about this stuff

17:10here

17:11if you go to the consulting com blog you

17:14go to resources I actually created a

17:18good video on this the other week called

17:21tools to plan for the new year

17:23and in here I if you scroll down these

17:27resources I show you how to set your

17:29vision mission and principles I give you

17:32examples and then I also show you like

17:37our principles vision and mission at

17:40consulting comm and I also share some

17:43other tools with you to help you you

17:46know form this first part

17:49of the equation the context and I'll put

17:53a link beneath this video in the

17:55resources section to that particular

17:59post that I did a few weeks ago so you

18:01can find it and it'll help you flesh out

18:03the rest of this now let's talk about

18:06people so people are a company's

18:09greatest asset and talented people are

18:1210 times better than average people you

18:14know we've got this we've got this kind

18:17of belief that someone who's really good

18:20and really smart is only just a little

18:22bit better than someone who's average

18:24it's not true the difference between an

18:27A and a B not in school I'm talking

18:30about like an a player and a B player in

18:32real life is exponential it's ten times

18:36it might be more it might be fifty times

18:38and I'm not joking someone who is very

18:41smart is worth fifty average people when

18:45in a company and you you have to learn

18:50this you can't have anyone average in

18:52your company because that there's just

18:56no way it can work with mediocrity

18:59because A's higher A's and B's higher

19:01seas so if you have B's they're gonna

19:03hire C's and if you've got C's they're

19:05probably going to hire DS and if you've

19:07got DS what you're screwed actually if

19:10you've got B's then you're screwed

19:11because they're going to eventually turn

19:13into an entire workforce of DS and so

19:17not only a talented people about ten

19:19times better but if you have a person

19:22who's the equivalent of ten and one then

19:24you also save on your communication

19:26costs because remember that we don't

19:30want to add more people to the team we

19:32should do everything we can to not add

19:33people to the team so then if we want to

19:37leverage our output then we want to

19:40leverage talent because talent gives us

19:43ten times the people in one individual

19:45person and it's better to have to smart

19:49people than twenty average people and

19:51it's better to have two people working

19:5360 hour weeks than four people working

19:5640 hour weeks this is another thing

20:00because

20:01you know if you just have people working

20:03short amounts of time but you have more

20:06people to make up for that then you've

20:10got more people communication costs it's

20:13better to have a smaller group of people

20:15working harder that is more efficient

20:18because remember the main thing is the

20:21communication costs and the ultimate

20:23would be having extremely talented

20:25people on small teams working hard that

20:30is the best that's how you like that's

20:33how you add a force multiplier upon a

20:36force multiplier upon a force multiplier

20:37and that's how you make like a lot of

20:41progress and throughput happen and when

20:47it comes to structuring teams small

20:49teams work best three to five people max

20:52don't go more than that if you need to

20:56have more than that then break them out

20:57into two individual teams seriously you

21:01cannot go more than three to five people

21:03on a team because it comes back to this

21:05remember as soon as you get to three to

21:08five efficiency you're you're at at four

21:12you're right you're at 89 and then at

21:15five here at 82 and so you don't want to

21:18go six because you're dropping right

21:19down it's best to actually stay three to

21:22four at max five and you also want to

21:32have no people managers so never ever

21:35ever hire people that just manage people

21:38you only want to hire doers and so

21:42you're probably thinking well who

21:43managers then well you get the best doer

21:47on the team to double as a team lead so

21:51let's say you've got a team of four

21:53people that team needs a leader one of

21:56the Dewar's the best to it would be the

21:59team lead they're not a manager they

22:00just manage the small team as well you

22:04see as soon as you go up to more people

22:06like a 10-person team now you need a

22:09full-time manager because there's so

22:11much management to do they can't

22:12possibly do any work so now you've got a

22:15body on you

22:15team that doesn't do anything they just

22:17manage and so and they're also not very

22:20good at managing because all they do is

22:22manage and they don't do so you get

22:25royally screwed but if you keep it to

22:28three to five then you can have everyone

22:31doing and everyone managing best and in

22:35your org structure this is like all your

22:37org chart it should be decentralized in

22:41flat and every team should have a lot of

22:43autonomy and independent decision-making

22:45ability and your probably if you're

22:49thinking what is decentralized and

22:51autonomy mean well here's a good way to

22:54think about it so a lot of companies

22:57when they're starting off their they

23:00have a centralized kind of structure so

23:02they might be the CEO or the the founder

23:04in the middle and then they might hire a

23:06bunch of contractors around the side or

23:08maybe a couple of employees and

23:09everything has to route through this one

23:11person and this works great when you

23:13first start but then as soon as you add

23:15a few more nodes to this thing it just

23:17blows up and you're in the middle of it

23:20and really what you want to do is you

23:23want to use distributed or decentralized

23:26and really you want to start if you've

23:29been here you want to go here and here

23:32you want to break out all the different

23:34kind of you want to partition your

23:37company into its different functions so

23:40like might be customer support and then

23:43it might be a particular product and

23:45then it might be there might be a sales

23:49team and then there might be marketing

23:52right and you want to break it out into

23:54its different pieces and then you want

23:56to appoint someone in there as the team

23:59lead and then you now you've taken

24:02everything routing through one person

24:04and you've broken it out like this so

24:07now all of these people on this

24:09marketing team can just go to the

24:10marketing team lead instead of everyone

24:13on the marketing team having to go to

24:14you and then everyone on the support

24:15team going to you they just go to their

24:18team leads and then when you need some

24:20information or if the team lead needs

24:22something they can come back to you

24:24right and this is what you want to move

24:29- and some more thoughts on this you

24:35know when it comes to people in teams

24:38open-plan offices a really bad idea and

24:42I know this because I had one of them

24:46and this is this was our office in New

24:48York and you can see it's kind of like

24:51the look school looks pretty lots of

24:54open-plan people looking like you know

24:58here's RIT talking to someone here and

25:01it looks like really nice and friendly

25:02an open-plan nice computers and things

25:05but it's terrible because it's just

25:10there's distractions you know if

25:12someone's focused working on something

25:14here and then someone starts a

25:16conversation over here this person's

25:18going to hear it and now they're

25:20distract it and thinking about that and

25:22then whatever happens in here if one

25:25person starts talking about something it

25:28basically takes everybody off line and

25:30so it's very hard to focus and people

25:34hear things that they shouldn't and

25:36there's also very low barriers to people

25:39talking to other people because you

25:42don't have to get up a walk around

25:43somewhere you can just say something so

25:46this is a really bad idea to have open

25:49plan offices and I know this is kind of

25:52controversial because pretty much every

25:54company and startup these days that's

25:56its fashion it's the trend to all this

25:58make everything nice and open plan and

26:00this was kind of the layout of my office

26:02back in New York we had some desks desks

26:05dis desks and then kind of like a couch

26:09area and a kitchen area and then we had

26:12one meeting room and then a private

26:14office here and this kind of worked okay

26:19but it really didn't and you're probably

26:22thinking well if we don't use open plan

26:23like this then what do we do and I've

26:28thought about this a lot because since

26:29I've moved to LA over in California now

26:32I'm looking at our next office and I'm

26:35really thinking how am i best going to

26:38structure it and how can I structure it

26:41so that

26:42everyone is as efficient as possible and

26:45they don't get distracted but at the

26:46same time there needs to be

26:48communication and what I thought is I

26:52really need to build a hybrid a hybrid

26:54of private and open and so I pretty much

27:01call this project the human Collider

27:03project and what it looks like is you

27:08just got to imagine it like this so you

27:13walk in here there's only one entrance

27:14one exit so everyone must route through

27:16this one place and then there's a

27:19reception and then you have a cafeteria

27:24here and why a cafeteria is important is

27:27because you know I really watched how

27:30much time people spend going out and

27:32getting lunch it's huge and they don't

27:36necessarily like going out and getting

27:38lunch because it involves walking and

27:40then it involves waiting in a long line

27:42because everybody goes and gets lunch at

27:44the same time and then involves spending

27:46their own money for something that might

27:47not even be very good and not good for

27:49their health and then they got to walk

27:50back and so I thought well you know I

27:53don't next office I'm definitely gonna

27:55have a cafeteria and make sure we have

27:56catered lunch every single day so that

28:00people can eat healthily they don't have

28:02to spend their own money and they don't

28:05have to waste times waiting in lines I

28:07can't believe all businesses don't do

28:10that seriously if you just watch how

28:13much like look at how much money you pay

28:16for like talented talented people on

28:20your team and look at how much time they

28:23waste waiting in line now they don't

28:26want to be waiting in line it's not a

28:28good use of time so and then they have

28:31to spend their own money for food that

28:32isn't good for them so it's all waste

28:34whereas if you do it like this it's much

28:37more efficient and it's better for

28:39everybody and so I thought there's going

28:43to be one entrance the reception

28:45cafeteria where everyone can eat lunch

28:47and in conference rooms are going to be

28:49in the middle all glass so that you know

28:51you want to limit the use of meeting

28:54rooms because meetings in a

28:56I hate meetings and I want to make sure

28:59that if anyone's ever having a meeting

29:01in my company everybody can see them so

29:04the cafeteria every single person in the

29:08office and the reception and everyone so

29:12you're fully there and so it makes you

29:15think twice about using a conference

29:17room because meetings are a huge waste

29:20of time and that's why I put them here

29:22and then what I've done is I'm thinking

29:26of partitioning out four main areas so

29:29there would actually be a wall here wall

29:31here wall here wall here and so when you

29:34walk through you have to go past and

29:36this is how you'd get into one part then

29:38you get into another part here and

29:39another part here in another part here

29:41and why I wanted to break it out like

29:44that is because there's just some parts

29:46of the company that never really needs

29:48to talk to other parts and so it's kind

29:51of silly to put them together you want

29:54to put in the same compartment here you

29:58want to put like teams that have

30:02symbiosis with each other like two teams

30:05that have a symbiotic nature should be

30:06closed so if two teams they say there's

30:10four teams in this special partition

30:13here and this team and this team have a

30:17lot of symbiosis and same with all of

30:20these together then these should all be

30:22in one partition and then if this if

30:25this one partition has most synergy with

30:29this other partition then they should be

30:31close to each other but still separate

30:33so it's all about getting each dimension

30:37of this right you know how do you

30:39configure the disks how do you configure

30:41the the islands of disks in the end

30:44their structure and in the different

30:46partitions and then the conference rooms

30:49and things and the cafeteria and you

30:54might be thinking whoa if you if you

30:58split out these different teams in there

31:00behind different walls then they're not

31:02going to mix with each other and that

31:03might cause silos and that's true that

31:07might happen

31:09so the my way of combating that is to

31:11make everyone route through a central

31:14entrance so everyone has to come through

31:16here everyone is to go out through here

31:18if you want to have a conference room

31:20you've got to use one of these and you

31:23have everybody has lunch here so people

31:27have people work away in their little

31:30teams but then they come together at

31:32these different times and that's like

31:35why it's a human Collider because you're

31:37kind of colliding everyone in the middle

31:39and then when they don't need to be

31:40collided you you partition them back and

31:44then there's another dimension of this

31:49as well and you can see there's a lot of

31:52these pio things like what the hell are

31:54these little pio things well they're

31:55private offices and so this is something

31:58no one does these days everyone does

32:00open-plan offices like like this and you

32:06know a lot of companies and startups

32:07they look like this on the left here but

32:10what I want to do with this new office

32:13and I honestly think this is going to be

32:15a lot more productive is teams are

32:20supposed to work out in the open plan

32:23areas right that's where everyone has an

32:25assigned desk out in the open plan and

32:28by default you're supposed to be working

32:30in these open plan areas however we also

32:34have a lot of private offices basically

32:38enough private offices for 70% of the

32:43people in the entire company so that

32:45means if there's a hundred people in the

32:47company there's 70 private offices

32:51because I don't think ever there needs

32:54to be more than 70% of the of the

32:57company focused solely on one task at

33:00one moment in time so that handles that

33:04now why people went away from private

33:06offices is because they were worried

33:09about silos and people not communicating

33:11right but now that we have these open

33:14offices the problem is everyone there's

33:17too much damn communication all right

33:19it's just like social media and all this

33:20crap like so

33:22Media was great because a lot of people

33:24weren't communicating very often but now

33:27there's too much communication and so

33:29it's productive to delete your social

33:30media same sort of stuff is going on

33:33with this whole private office

33:35OpenOffice thing and so teams will have

33:39an assigned desk here and when they need

33:42to focus they will just go into one of

33:45these private offices and no one will

33:47distract them when they're in there and

33:49they might work in there for you know

33:52two days and then come back and start

33:55sitting back out here with their team

33:58it's basically like when you need to be

33:59focused and executing and in the zone

34:01you leave your workstation you go to a

34:04private office you close the door and

34:06that's where you work but when you are

34:10done with that kind of sprint or project

34:12or whatever you come back to your main

34:14workstation and so this is like a hybrid

34:17approach we get the openness and we also

34:21get the focus in the distraction free

34:24and then we partition the teams like

34:27that too so the teams are separated from

34:28each other but we're out everyone

34:31through one place and they meet here for

34:34lunch and meetings and things like that

34:36so this is what I'm planning for our

34:40next office and I came up with this kind

34:44of idea from one having this problem at

34:48this workplace and to really looking at

34:53centralized and decentralized and

34:55distributed systems and how they are

34:58best structured and partitioned you know

35:02you don't when you're sitting at an open

35:04plan office you don't need to hear

35:06something about a department that has

35:10nothing to do with you hearing that

35:12piece of information distracted you from

35:14your task and is completely useless and

35:18there's nothing worse than distractions

35:20because not only is the person who's

35:23distracting the other person distracting

35:25them now you've got two people not doing

35:27any work but now if you're in an open

35:29plan office the whole office all 10 or

35:3220 people weren't doing any work so one

35:35little trigger

35:36set off an avalanche of distraction and

35:40so this is why it's important to

35:43partition things and this is why I've

35:45come up with this design now let's talk

35:50about the third component of this in its

35:53content so what I've learned about you

35:56know information people in communication

35:59transparency removes the need for

36:01communication you know a lot of the time

36:03when you're communicating with someone

36:04you're asking them a question because

36:06you need a piece of information from

36:08them that you cannot get without asking

36:10them so if people share different things

36:15and make them public with other members

36:16in your company then they don't need to

36:19ask you for it they can just get it it

36:23make me give you a perfect example

36:25so my calendar that shows what I'm doing

36:27every day and my warm app and everything

36:29I share it with people in my company so

36:32they don't need to ask oh hey

36:34what are you are you going what are you

36:36working on at the moment they know so

36:38they don't have to ask me and then

36:40everyone in our company has access to

36:42all of our financials and sales data and

36:45tracking and attribution data basically

36:49everyone has access to everything except

36:53for a few sensitive things because you

36:56don't want everyone to have access to

36:57absolutely everything because it is one

37:00it isn't necessary

37:01and two it can cause some issues but

37:03most companies kind of hide a lot of

37:06information and so the employees are

37:08constantly in the dark and then they try

37:11to use communication to get out of the

37:13dark and now they're not working because

37:16they're communicating and they can't get

37:19that piece of information anyway because

37:20it's hidden and so they're all

37:23communicating with each other trying to

37:24achieve an endless goal and you want to

37:28make things transparent you know instead

37:31of having an open office just make open

37:34information like share your calendar

37:38share your financial data and stuff with

37:40your employees instead of bloody making

37:43everyone sit in an open area most

37:46companies have adopted the open plan

37:48office but they still

37:50not open with information and this is

37:52mindless and in interrupting somebody is

37:55not okay you need to sit standards in

37:59your company that you know you're not if

38:02someone interrupts someone that's not

38:04okay especially if that person is you

38:08know someone that really needs to work

38:10on a particular project then get it done

38:14and I'll give you a prime example of

38:16this once someone in my company who

38:19worked on our support team they don't

38:21anymore partly because of this they were

38:25they were receiving an email from a

38:29customer and the customers would say hey

38:31I don't want to be on this email list

38:33anymore can you please unsubscribe me

38:35and so what this customer support person

38:38did is they went behind through slack

38:42without asking anyone and started

38:44messaging our one of our engineers who

38:47was building product and then was

38:50getting the engineer to unsubscribe

38:51people from this list and I asked one of

38:55the our engineers hey what are you doing

38:56what have you been working on he said he

38:58was spending most of his time I'm

38:59subscribing people from a damn list so

39:02here we have someone who's highly paid

39:04one of the highest paid people in the

39:06company who's working on one of the most

39:08crucial most important projects in the

39:10entire company and he's not doing

39:13anything of value

39:16he's just unsubscribing people from a

39:18list and that was assigned to him from a

39:21customer support rep and when I traced

39:23it back and I looked at the email that

39:25the customer support rep was getting our

39:27engineer to unsubscribe people from it

39:30had an unsubscribe link at the bottom so

39:33all that support rep had to do was just

39:34reply back to their person and say just

39:36click the link but no they had taken one

39:39of the most crucial components of how a

39:42company offline and that's a perfect

39:46example of this you cannot have that

39:49happen

39:50you shouldn't have customer support

39:51making your engineers tell it like

39:55unsubscribe people from a list you

39:57shouldn't have that sort of going

39:59on and I can tell you that most

40:01companies have this stuff go it's like a

40:03vicious disease that's just just ripping

40:07through their company and you've got to

40:10make sure that people there's basically

40:12walls and barriers like different people

40:15aren't allowed to talk to other people

40:17and different teams aren't allowed to

40:18talk to other teams and if they are

40:20caught doing it they're warned if they

40:22do it again they're gone because there

40:25is nothing more costly than

40:27interruptions in communication and

40:31communication must have rules and

40:34protocols so that kind of goes back to

40:37interrupting somebody's not okay or if

40:39you need to get a piece of information

40:41from somebody else

40:42you go to your team lead and that team

40:45lead will tell the other team lead right

40:47and then that team lead will get it for

40:49you and bring it back what you don't do

40:50is go over to another team and interrupt

40:53all of them and ask for something so it

40:57needs to have rules and everybody

40:59doesn't need to be on the same page you

41:01know I hear this all the time oh but we

41:04need to know what's going on or I need

41:05to know what's going on here or hey why

41:07did you make that decision Sam you

41:08didn't tell me you were going to do that

41:10and it got to a point where I was like

41:12look calm the hell down if I had to tell

41:16all of you what I'm gonna do and what

41:17I'm thinking about doing all the damn

41:19time then I wouldn't do anything and you

41:23guys can just adapt like if I do

41:26something and you see that I've done it

41:28adept like you don't need to have

41:30everyone on the same page all the time

41:32and thinking you need to is just gonna

41:35end you up dead you won't be able to

41:39innovate fast enough move fast enough

41:41you did and so you need to make sure

41:44that teams can make decisions and act

41:47without informing others and that it's

41:51okay

41:52and you don't have to have everyone on

41:53the same page you know different

41:55departments don't even need to know

41:56what's going on in other departments the

41:58same way you can run your business

42:00without watching the news and that's a

42:03perfect example you know when I was a

42:06kid I was told all you need to watch the

42:07news Sam I never watch the news it's

42:10and I run my company quite fine

42:12without knowing what the hell's going on

42:14with the government in

42:17so that's absolutely fine same way

42:20different departments in your company

42:22can run their departments without

42:24knowing on without knowing what's going

42:26on in other departments or what's going

42:28on on the news or the government right

42:31it's just not important you don't need

42:33to know and then it teams must adhere to

42:38and report to a single source of truth

42:40and what I mean by this is you need to

42:43agree on some KPIs and some metrics and

42:46you also need to agree on how you're

42:48going to calculate those KPIs in those

42:50metrics for example we have like a

42:54Facebook media buyer and we have someone

42:57who buys ads on YouTube and we also send

43:00out emails and we also have people who

43:04refer friends sometimes we have

43:06affiliates we also do some SEO we've got

43:09a bunch of different ways customers can

43:11buy from us now when it comes to

43:14figuring out hey we did this customer

43:16come from there's lots of different ways

43:19someone could do that they could look in

43:20Google Analytics they could look in

43:22Facebook or YouTube and they might be

43:25like no no this thing says that I have

43:26it no this one says I have it right big

43:28chaos so we must adhere to a single

43:31source of truth and we agree on what

43:35that is so we actually have like an

43:38attribution system and the the actual

43:42arguments for that algorithm are

43:44expressed explicitly and the person who

43:48conducts that he doesn't audit our data

43:50scientist said he doesn't audit at 10

43:53a.m. every day on the previous day's

43:55sales and checks through every single

43:58attribution and our algorithm assigns

44:01most of them but then if there's some

44:03that aren't assigned then he will go

44:05through and manually check them and

44:07every single sale is personally checked

44:10by the same person at the same time

44:12using the same rules and then that

44:16person assigns what the official

44:17attribution is and then that's the

44:19single source of truth that our media

44:22buyers use for completing their reports

44:25in figuring out what their ROI is on

44:27their respective channels now that kind

44:30of sounds complicated

44:31and it really is a real royal pain in

44:34the ass and don't worry about it you

44:36won't need to build anything like that

44:37that's that damn complicated but that's

44:40just an example right and then teams

44:45must adhere to standardized language

44:49concepts and systems and what I mean by

44:51this is you know if you're talking about

44:53different things in your company or

44:55different products you should have

44:57standardized language for that like a

45:00customer is defined as this or a lead is

45:03this right sometimes people are talking

45:05about leads prospects customers and you

45:07don't even know what the hell people are

45:08talking about and also what's the

45:11difference between revenue or cash or

45:13accounts receivable you know what's a

45:16write-off

45:17like all of the different things and

45:19actions and metrics and numbers and

45:22objects that are in your company you

45:23want to make sure that you come up with

45:26a standardized language and this is

45:29important because if people start saying

45:31different things and that that means

45:35that people get confused and if you

45:37think this is one of those small little

45:39things that isn't really important

45:41well Elon Musk got an email from someone

45:45at his company and they used an acronym

45:47you know they took her they took a

45:49four-letter phrase and they turned it

45:53into a they took a four-word phrase and

45:56turned it into a four-letter acronym and

45:59we Neal almost saw that acronym in that

46:02email he sent out a broadcast saying

46:05this is not okay never ever ever use

46:09acronyms and the only acronyms that are

46:13approved are these and he made a list a

46:15master list of acronyms with what it

46:18actually means and he said if either for

46:20you if anyone in this company ever wants

46:22to use an acronym

46:23you must get written approval from me

46:26and I will add it to our master list of

46:28acronyms now you might be thinking this

46:30is pretty crazy why would some well -

46:32CEO like Elon Musk who's building

46:33Rockets care about an acronym because

46:36it's that important if you think about

46:40it if someone won't hear is an acronym

46:42in a meeting and then that acronym is

46:43repeated throughout the company

46:45and it gets adopted and then new

46:48employees come in and hear it and they

46:49think something else well now you're

46:52going to have people hearing the same

46:53thing and perceiving it in two radically

46:56different ways and that's how you end up

46:58with a catastrophe it's so important

47:01that you have standardized language

47:02standardized concepts and standardized

47:05systems and a single source of truth and

47:08a way of measuring everything and that

47:11you partition your teams out and you

47:14know all of this all of these

47:15intricacies that I've been talking about

47:17content office structures and layouts

47:22all of this stuff here people context it

47:26is so important because all of this is

47:32how every component of your system and

47:36when I say system I mean your business

47:37you know a business is really like a

47:39system and within it there's components

47:41there's machines there's information

47:43transfers there's humans there's

47:46customers there's all of these different

47:49components how do they all come together

47:51and connect and operate to form a whole

47:55and that is pretty much one of the most

47:58important things in all of business

48:00because if you get this right then you

48:04should get everything else right and

48:05it's something no entrepreneurs talk

48:08about when I listen to entrepreneurs

48:11they're mostly talking about marketing

48:12or like how to get more likes or

48:16something but this is really important

48:19stuff and as you grow hire people and

48:23form a team remember that communication

48:25is a cost it's something that you should

48:29avoid doing because it is a cost now I'm

48:34not saying that you leave people in the

48:36dark and then they can't do their job

48:38because they no one told them what to do

48:40no I'm not saying that I'm saying you

48:43need to re-engineer your company so that

48:45they know what to do without being told

48:47all the damn time and it's your job as

48:54the entrepreneur to architect the

48:55structure of everything and as you grow

48:58always reverse

48:59the structure of your company to ensure

49:01it remains efficient so that's it for

49:05today's video

49:06I just thought I'd share what I've been

49:09thinking about a lot recently

49:12and that is how to best engineer these

49:16things and I hope this helps you on your

49:20journey especially as you start hiring a

49:23team and trying to orchestrate all of

49:27this because it's one challenge to get

49:29started and get your first customer and

49:30it's another whole challenge to deal

49:33with this and this one's harder than

49:35getting your first customer but this is

49:38when you master this one this is what

49:41really enables your business to fly and

49:43start scaling and it's something that

49:45not enough people talk about so if you

49:48enjoyed this video just click that like

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49:53in the comments section was all of this

49:56clear to you was this valuable did it

49:58help you have any questions just give me

50:00some feedback and thanks for watching I

50:03will see you in the next one

50:06next week

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