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The Downfall Of Modern Podcasts

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0:00I'm sure you've realized ever since the

0:01pandemic that absolutely everyone you've

0:03ever met has now got a podcast and this

0:06it's not even plugged into anything but

0:08there is a big problem on the horizon

0:10that we're already starting to

0:11experience follow me now you probably

0:14like what were you filming then is it

0:16too much to ask to keep the camera on me

0:17now problem number one is if you're like

0:19me I like listening to The Joe Rogan

0:20podcast so when he went over to Spotify

0:23we celebrated it and we were happy to

0:24pay that Spotify membership but then for

0:26some reason although we're paying

0:27Spotify the money he's still putting ads

0:29in the podcast so I'm there in bed

0:31listening to an episode about to fall

0:33asleep and then bam this episode is

0:35brought to you by athletic greens like

0:37whoa so you're like hold on I'm paying

0:39you Spotify so I don't get ads and I'm

0:41getting ads either way and they don't

0:42even play them at the beginning like Lex

0:43fredman so you can skip through them and

0:45pretend you listen to them they put them

0:47bam come on over here over here come on

0:49for many of you you've probably heard of

0:50a podcast called diary the CEO with

0:52stepen Bartlett and congratulations they

0:54just hit 5 million subscribers on

0:56YouTube which is amazing but there's a

0:57lot of controversy between the guests at

0:59the moment and all the guests seem to

1:00contradict each other and say different

1:02things but they're all renowned experts

1:04but being an expert isn't merely enough

1:06because if you think about it if two

1:07companies are suing each other both

1:09companies will have experts and those

1:10both experts in the same field would

1:12disagree with each other just making

1:13someone an expert doesn't mean they're

1:14right or you wouldn't have people on

1:16different sides there are several

1:17components to operating a podcast in

1:192024 that people aren't thinking about

1:21podcasts are businesses they are not

1:23vessels of means of getting you free

1:25information although it may feel that

1:27way places like YouTube will pay you

1:28AdSense but when you start looking at

1:30these podcasts as businesses this is

1:32only a fraction maybe 10 to 20% of what

1:34that business is earning is being paid

1:35for by Google one of the main places you

1:38will earn money in a podcast is sponsors

1:40and the sponsor will pay depending on

1:42the amount of downloads or the amount of

1:43views because you are putting eyes and

1:45ears in front of their brand podcasts

1:47also use discount codes but they're not

1:48discount codes they're commission codes

1:50when you look at huberman promoting

1:52athletic greens if you use this code for

1:54the discount it actually allows athletic

1:55greens to understand where they're giv

1:57their commission to and if we use

1:59athletic greens as an example you're not

2:01only looking at $50 commission per sale

2:04but every sale they're on in so no doubt

2:07a sponsor will not just pay the person

2:09to be mentioned they will then pay the

2:11person every time there's Commission on

2:13their product and sales on their in so

2:15when the likes of huberman are saying

2:17athletic greens is really good and it

2:18makes them feel so much better they're

2:19not just looking at commission they're

2:20looking at recurring Commission Now what

2:22makes things interesting so if we look

2:24at a company like hu Steven bartler is a

2:26non-executive director of hu which I

2:29assume means he has shares in the

2:30business so although I'm sure that hu

2:33pay Dar VI CEO money every time Steven

2:35bartler mentions hu he's also inflating

2:38the portfolio of a business that he's

2:39got shares in and before I say that's

2:42terrible I do that every time I tell

2:43about new tonic the world's first

2:45productivity drinks oh my shares in the

2:46business just went up so so far nothing

2:49really is wrong with this picture the

2:51problem starts becoming apparent when

2:53you start looking at guests in the

2:55beginning you want fantastic guests who

2:56can arrive and change people's lives and

2:58give people so much information and get

3:00massive amounts of views and grow your

3:02channel to 5 million subscribers but you

3:04will exhaust the amount of great guests

3:06very soon and you can get those guests

3:08back on or what we're starting to see is

3:10you bring on guests not who are known

3:13for being factually correct or objective

3:15but that you know will cause controversy

3:17cause a rift between the followers cause

3:19massive amounts of Engagement cause

3:20people to be so outraged that they go

3:22and watch the podcast just to see what's

3:24factually and correct in it and of

3:26course get huge amounts of views you'll

3:28even notice that the thumbnail for the

3:30episode is changed every hour on the

3:32hour 12 hours after the podcast is

3:34released to see which thumbnail causes

3:36people to click on the most there is a

3:38science to this and they're choosing

3:39titles that are provocative intriguing

3:41but we're now at the point where people

3:43are just looking to piss people off and

3:44if that means you're using

3:45misinformation if it brings you views

3:48and it brings you listens and it brings

3:49you attention that's not only going to

3:51bring you more money from sponsors it's

3:53also going to give you more prospects to

3:54sell the business in which you're

3:56promoting and all you need to do is

3:57check the comment section of these

3:59guests when they're announced there was

4:01even a post by the vegan doctor that I

4:04was meant to show you guys here but I

4:05think it's been deleted because the

4:06comments were so bad on it but although

4:08you can cause a lot of controversy from

4:10the amount of people that are coming to

4:11your page if it boosts your Revenue you

4:14will continue to do that habit or

4:16Endeavor it's a positive feedback loop

4:18so the biggest issue you see in models

4:21like dire of a CEO is that it's very

4:23apparent this is becoming more of a

4:24business operation than it is trying to

4:26get good quality information to the

4:28Forefront of the list let's have a look

4:30at some of the comments I love cheese

4:32I'm honestly starting to get tired of

4:34all these Health Food experts if I

4:35followed every advice of the guests on

4:36the show I'd have to change my diet

4:38every week how do you elaborate all of

4:40these contradictory statements from all

4:41of your different guests I watch all the

4:43episodes and I find it really hard and

4:44so many of the things that people are

4:46saying on podcasts are just not true and

4:48a great example of this would be the

4:50misinformation that Ben Carpenter put

4:51out this week I tell you what Ben I'm

4:53even going to show people you're real

4:54because I think it's really important

4:56100 normal individuals 25 in four

4:59different groups one group uh one liter

5:02of sugared soda per day for 6 months one

5:05group one liter of diet soda per day for

5:076 months one group one liter of milk per

5:09day for 6 months final group one liter

5:12of water per day for 6 months the one

5:14liter of soda per day in 6 months gain

5:1710 kilos the sugary soda the sugary soda

5:2010 kilos the one liter of water per day

5:23lost 2 kilos one liter of milk per

5:26day no change presumably that was full

5:29fat milk we talk about full fat milk

5:31yeah they like their their full fat milk

5:33no change and finally the key the kicker

5:37to the whole thing diet soda the one ler

5:40of diet soda what what would you predict

5:42their weight would do more weight loss

5:45than in the water group based on my

5:46understanding of the literature they

5:47gained two kilos podcasts talking about

5:50science love it podcasts including

5:53references in their show notes

5:55especially love it podcasts that totally

5:58misrepresent what what the study

6:00actually said don't love it quite so

6:02much here is what that study actually

6:05showed firstly it was 60 people not 100

6:08secondly it wasn't full fat milk thirdly

6:11most importantly those incredible

6:14sounding numbers they are absolute

6:17he claimed soda resulted in 10

6:20kilos of weight gain 2 kilos from diet

6:23soda no change from milk 2 kilos weight

6:26loss from water guess what the study

6:28actually show no significant body weight

6:31change in any group there was a tiny

6:34trend for weight and fat gain in the

6:36soda group but it was not 10 kg it was a

6:39measly 1.25 kg drinking the sugary soda

6:43did increase ectopic fat levels and

6:45other studies show they can promote

6:47weight and fat gain even if that wasn't

6:49seen in this study anyone who even

6:51bothers to skim read the abstract will

6:54know that what he is saying isn't even

6:56close to factually correct my point is

6:59please please be careful which podcasts

7:01you trust even if you happen to like the

7:03people behind the microphone and the

7:05biggest issue is going to be this supply

7:08and demand are not in a position to

7:10serve each other because think of it

7:12you've got Joe Rogan you've got Lex

7:13fredman you got Chris Williamson you've

7:15got Steven bartett you've got all these

7:17wellestablished businesses that are all

7:19fighting over a supply of good speakers

7:22and once they've been interviewed on one

7:24podcast their stocks are diluted because

7:26people go well I listen to Matthew

7:28Walker and Joe Rogan so I'm not listen

7:29to him on Chris Williamson so you have

7:30all these people fighting for this

7:32really small amount of supply of

7:34actually good people to have on and when

7:35you can't access those people you need

7:37to start going to the bottom of the

7:39bucket and finding people that are

7:40divisive controversial or that are just

7:42going to say things against the status

7:44quo like we just saw in Ben Carpenters

7:45real people are going to cherry-pick

7:47studies or worse yet make up their own

7:50outcome of the studies because people at

7:52the moment are making a snapshot from

7:54these real that are put out and taking

7:56that as evidence even this guy in my

7:58dmss you might have to throw in the

7:59towel soon I was like mate you've

8:01watched one real I said it's already

8:03been debunked your nons which in English

8:05means pedophile just keeping on your

8:07toes then sends me Jason fun

8:10one of the most notorious charlatans of

8:13misinformation the last thing I'm going

8:15to leave you with a s called the

8:16confirmation bias and the confirmation

8:17bias is where you go out and seek

8:19information that already fits your

8:20narrative and you ignore everything else

8:22that doesn't the current state of the

8:24world is that people will see something

8:25that someone says in 90 seconds they

8:27won't reference studies they won't

8:29refence any literature they'll just say

8:30it with enough conviction that people

8:32think it's true they will then take that

8:34information and try and convert people

8:35around them this is causing Mass

8:37confusion and the big issue with all of

8:39this is when so much information is

8:40contradicting people won't listen to any

8:42of it it's a real shame because podcasts

8:44for so many years were such an amazing

8:45way for you to bolster your knowledge

8:47but now you're just being drip fed

8:48so that other companies can

8:50profit off of getting more downloads

8:51views and listens it's a sad reality of

8:53the world and I don't see it getting

8:54better anytime soon thanks for watching

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