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Make vs N8N: Which Is Better for Writer Automations

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0:00All right, it is time to talk about make

0:02versus nadn for automations and

0:05specifically for automations that are

0:06useful for authors such as myself and

0:09others who follow this channel. And this

0:12is going to be an interesting one

0:13because they're both okay and they're

0:15the definitely the top two that you will

0:17hear about when it comes to AI

0:18automations. However, there are a few

0:21reasons why I just found myself

0:23gravitated towards one in particular and

0:26I'm not even using the other one

0:27anymore. So, I'm going to break down a

0:30little bit about what makes make good,

0:32what makes NAND good, and why you might

0:34want one or over the other. And by the

0:36end of this video, I'm going to tell you

0:38which is the one that I definitely

0:40recommend and is the only one I'm going

0:42to be teaching going forward as a result

0:44because I think there's not much use in

0:46teaching both. So, let's start with

0:48make. Now, if we go and and I share my

0:51screen here, if you go and create a new

0:53scenario in make, you'll be presented

0:55with this giant beautiful big button.

0:58And you just click on this and it'll

1:00give you some uh integrations and things

1:02that you can select from. And this is

1:06probably the biggest advantage that Make

1:08has is it is relatively easy to get

1:10started. You can just dive right in and

1:12start making your first automation right

1:14out of the bat. And it also has a really

1:17good-looking UI. I I find it very easy

1:20and intuitive to understand in that

1:22sense at least for something that is not

1:24as easily understood by most people that

1:28are that are less technical. Make does a

1:30pretty good job of trying to make it as

1:32easy to understand as possible. The

1:34other major advantage that I think make

1:37has going for it is that it actually has

1:39a higher level of integrations. It's got

1:40like something like 2,000 integrations

1:42or something like that. You can see some

1:44of them here. And I do think at least in

1:47terms of builtin features, some of these

1:50are actually more complex and have uh

1:53more features essentially than what you

1:55get out of the box in N8. Uh for

1:58instance, if we look at Google Docs,

2:00there's lots of things that we can do

2:03with Google Docs. We can have it watch

2:04for documents, list a number of

2:06documents like in a folder or something.

2:08Get the contents of a document, create a

2:09new document, create a document from a

2:11template, uh, insert a paragraph into a

2:14document, insert an image into a

2:16document, replace an image with a new

2:18image, all of this stuff, right? Replace

2:21a text in a document, download a

2:22document, delete a document, make an API

2:24call, make all links in a document

2:25clickable. There are a lot of things

2:27like this where it's just gives you a

2:29bunch of options of what you can do with

2:30Google Docs. And when you look at the

2:33same node in N8, you will not see as

2:36many options. However, that doesn't mean

2:38that you can't do them in NADN. That

2:40just means that there isn't necessarily

2:42a easy button click for all of it.

2:45Sometimes you have to go through a few

2:47more hoops to get to what you want. So,

2:49for that reason, I think there are a few

2:51aspects of make that make it a little

2:53bit more beginner friendly. However,

2:55there are some downsides to make that we

2:57absolutely have to be aware of. And this

3:00is going to be really important given

3:01that we're coming at this from an

3:03author's perspective where we're looking

3:05to do some big projects and things like

3:07that. Uh as well as analyze a lot of

3:09content and do a lot of steps on that

3:11content. Some reasons that you might not

3:14want make include the following. Uh

3:17first of all, it's not nearly as

3:20customizable. While it does have a

3:22couple of those extra nodes and things

3:24that you can use as I showed off with

3:26the Google Docs, you can actually do

3:28more in N8N just with a little bit more

3:31technical knowledge. And N8N has some uh

3:35abilities to connect via API to a lot of

3:38things that don't have a direct

3:39integration. So make has a lot of

3:41integrations, but N8N can actually

3:43interface with probably more things

3:45overall just through an API. The second

3:47reason why you might not like make is

3:49that it actually operates on a credit

3:51system. And now I know a lot of you guys

3:53just from having seen comments on other

3:56software that I've talked about are not

3:58big fans of credit systems. And I

4:00honestly am not either. Now I I get it

4:02in certain circumstances like that's

4:04kind of the best way you could do it,

4:06but in other circumstances I just don't

4:08like it. Which means that every time

4:09you're running an automation, you're

4:11charged on every single operation that

4:15happens. So, every step of the process

4:17uh uses up a credit and some use up more

4:20than others. Now, they're usually

4:21generous with the number of credits that

4:22you get for the price, but still I know

4:24that rubs people the wrong way and you

4:27don't have anything like that in NAN.

4:29Another one that a lot of people don't

4:31talk about, but that was a big deal for

4:33me is the fact that there is a 45inut

4:37cut off for each automation. Now, a lot

4:41of the automations that I do can

4:42sometimes take a lot of time to run

4:45because you're running large expensive

4:48prompts on a lot of content. So, there's

4:51a lot of things that need to happen and

4:53those prompts can sometimes take quite a

4:55while to generate and then we'll have

4:57multiple steps of those prompts in which

4:59case, you know, it can sometimes take

5:01more than 45 minutes for an automation

5:03to fully execute. And if we're in make,

5:06I have to keep that in mind so that I

5:08don't let it go for too long. Otherwise,

5:11it'll hit that 45 minute cut off and

5:13just have an error. And I'll show you an

5:15example of what this looked like. So, I

5:17actually had um some automations built

5:20up here where um it would, you know, go

5:24through a couple Google Doc steps here

5:25and then it would have a four-step

5:28process on one chapter and then it would

5:31go to the next chapter and have a

5:32four-step process there and then the

5:34next chapter and then the next chapter.

5:36Uh and by the way, I found a better way

5:38of doing this in NAN. I was not able to

5:40figure out how to do it in in make, but

5:43I couldn't have done it anyway because I

5:45limit this to five chapters, actually

5:47six in this case cuz it includes a pre

5:49uh prologue. And the reason I limited it

5:51to five chapters is because any more

5:54than that and I risked going over that

5:5545minut limit. And with N8N there is no

5:58such limit. And that was a really big

6:01deal for me. Even though it's a small

6:02thing for my particular use case, it's

6:04it's a big deal. And I'll show you that

6:06this one here in NADN, it's the same

6:09process, uh, but adapted so that it

6:12could actually write all 40 chapters of

6:15a novel novel if I wanted to, assuming

6:17it's a 40 chapter novel, uh, which in my

6:19case it is. And here are the same four

6:22steps that we're repeating here, here,

6:25here, and here. Um, get done here. But

6:29in this case, I was able to figure out a

6:30way for it to loop around and then go to

6:32the next chapter and then continue to do

6:35that over and over and over again. As a

6:37result, I was also able to get this to

6:39be able to read the previous chapter,

6:41which is something that, you know, I

6:43could do something like that here in

6:45make, but it would be a little bit

6:47messier and not quite as efficient as

6:49what I have here. And sure, if I'm only

6:53doing five chapters at a time with this

6:55automation, it won't take too long. But

6:57if I wanted to do say 40 chapters all at

7:00once, write the whole book all at once

7:02and then go in and edit it rather than

7:04editing as I go, then this automation

7:07would definitely take longer than 45

7:09minutes. And so I like having that

7:11additional flexibility in being able to

7:14do these longer, more complicated uh and

7:17and lengthy automations. Last but not

7:20least, and when it comes to make, when I

7:22was working with it, I found that I was

7:24just running into a lot of errors. Now,

7:26uh, uh, admittedly, this is more of an

7:28anecdotal thing. Uh, I can't say for

7:30sure if make is going to be less buggy

7:32than NAN or not, but for me personally,

7:35and I was running quite a bit of

7:37automations in make before I switched to

7:39NAND, I found that it was quite buggy

7:41and that very often it would just have a

7:44random error, and I wasn't able to get

7:45really a good answer on why there was an

7:48error. Often, I think it was just

7:50because one of the steps just went on

7:53for too long. uh and it might have been

7:55doing like a deep research. In fact,

7:56yes. Um I was doing in one case I was

8:00trying to do a perplexity deep research

8:02and the deep research was just taking

8:03too long. So it just sort of timed out

8:06and that's not okay with me and I I

8:08don't get that kind that level of bugs

8:11in NN. I I still get a few timeouts and

8:15things that happen in NAN but the

8:17frequency that they happen for me at

8:18least seemed to be far fewer than what I

8:21was getting in make. And I was trying to

8:23make make work uh for me because I had

8:26heard that it was so much simpler and

8:27easier to use and I I like simple. I

8:30like making things easy for the authors

8:32that I share things with to be able to

8:34follow along with me. And so for that

8:36reason, I kind of put off get digging

8:38into NAD because I really wanted to make

8:41make work. And it just over the over

8:45time I was just having some issues with

8:46it. Not really able to do exactly

8:48everything that I wanted to do. And so

8:49from there, I decided to really give N8N

8:52a shot. And so let's now shift and talk

8:55about some of the reasons why you might

8:57prefer N8N over Make. Firstly, N8N also

9:01has a high level of integrations. Not as

9:03many as Make does, but when you count

9:05the ability to connect to pretty much

9:07any place that has an API, it's still

9:10pretty high. um the fact that they don't

9:12have a built-in integration for an

9:14something that you might have to connect

9:16to for an API might make it a little bit

9:18more difficult to connect to that thing,

9:20but you could still do it. That said,

9:22most of the integrations that you would

9:24need as an author, pretty much all of

9:26the ones that I need in my process and

9:28in the automations that I make for

9:30people, all of those integrations are

9:32fully accessible inside of NAND. It has

9:35access to uh all of the different AI

9:37providers and things like that,

9:38including Open Router. uh has access to

9:41the entire Google suite of tools and

9:43features. So pretty much anything that

9:46you would need for the most part unless

9:48you're in a really niche case are

9:50accessible inside of NAN. Now the second

9:53big reason why you might prefer NAND is

9:55the pricing structure. So it is quite a

9:57bit different from the way make operates

10:00their platform. Make is a credit system

10:03and they're reasonably affordable. like

10:05you can get a actually there's even a

10:07free plan where you can get a fair

10:08amount of of usage although the free

10:11plan that 45minut cut off that I

10:14mentioned is actually only I think 10

10:16minutes if you're on the free plan and

10:19uh and you get far fewer free credits

10:21that way. Uh with NADN there's three

10:24different ways you can go about it. The

10:26first is to go with the public cloud

10:29version. And that one I don't actually

10:31really recommend because it's $60 a

10:33month which makes it way more pricier

10:35than make. Uh if if that's if that were

10:39the only comparison, I'd say yeah,

10:41definitely go with make. It's more bang

10:42for your buck. However, NAN is an open-

10:45source tool. And so you can actually

10:48install it locally on your computer

10:50absolutely free. No no strings attached.

10:53The only issue I've seen with that is

10:55there's a little it requires a little

10:56bit of technical figuring out to get it

10:59installed on your local device. There's

11:01a third option that I like which is kind

11:03of the best of both worlds where you're

11:05able to self-host it on your own cloud

11:07server and that's usually quite a bit

11:10cheaper than going with the $60 a month.

11:14And uh there are service out services

11:16out there like Hostinger. Uh this isn't

11:18sponsored or anything. Hosting Air has a

11:20one-click install option for NADN, and

11:23that's actually what I use personally,

11:24and I'll do a separate video about all

11:26of the different ways to install NAND

11:28and to get it started with it. But

11:29suffice it to say, you can have NAND

11:32entirely for free loc uh if it is hosted

11:35on your on your computer. And that also

11:38means that there's no credit system.

11:39You're not charged per credit. Now, if

11:41you're still using AI in the platform,

11:43you'll still have to connect your API to

11:45the system and the AI usage will still

11:48be charged through the whatever service

11:51you're using. Like I use Open Router a

11:53lot, so I get charged through Open

11:54Router for a lot of my AI usage, but

11:57that's different. And like I'd still

11:58have to have that in make and in NAN.

12:01And so when we're just talking about

12:03like the overhead costs of using N8N as

12:06a platform versus make, I would choose

12:08N8N because you can install it locally

12:09on your computer and have all of the

12:11same functionality. And the third option

12:13I've kind of already mentioned is that I

12:15found that there are far fewer glitches

12:17and timeout problems in NAN. Uh again,

12:20you still get some, but that's been a

12:22far uh far less demanding issue as when

12:26I was working with make. The fourth

12:28reason is that NAN is actually better if

12:31you are concerned with like having full

12:33data control and full security and

12:35privacy of your data. If if that's

12:38important to you, then uh NAN is great

12:40because since you can install it on your

12:44local computer and not have it on the

12:45cloud, you have a greater degree of uh

12:49ownership and security with all of that

12:52in that model. And because there's no

12:5445minute limit or or anything like that,

12:56it's actually far easier to scale your

12:58projects in NN. Um, not that that's

13:02really a concern for most authors, but

13:03that is something to keep in mind. Like

13:05if I were a business looking to really

13:08scale the AI usage in my company and

13:12automate a lot of the plat the

13:14processes, I would definitely be

13:16choosing NAND and getting a specialist

13:18to to do all of that for me and scale it

13:21because NAN's definitely better for a

13:24more robust infrastructure. And last but

13:27not least, NN because it's an open

13:29source thing, there's a really strong

13:31open source community out there. If you

13:33need uh help getting things um installed

13:36or figuring out how to do XYZ, uh the

13:40community is pretty open and uh you

13:42know, you can find many places online to

13:44ask those questions. The only real

13:46downside of NADN is that it is a little

13:50bit more complicated to use. However, uh

13:55you know that was something that put me

13:57off from it for a little while. I had

13:59heard that it was more complex and that

14:01make was so much easier. And for that

14:03reason, I started with Make and only got

14:06into NAN when I grew a little bit

14:08dissatisfied with some of the features

14:09in Make. And once I got into NAND and

14:11got past the first couple of hurdles,

14:13like getting it set up, that's probably

14:15the biggest one. I found it to be just

14:17as intuitive as Make. Now, maybe I'm an

14:20exception. uh maybe some people would

14:22find make easier, but I found that the

14:24actual setting up of an automation and

14:26putting all the little pieces together

14:28and running your prompts and all of that

14:30was absolutely no harder in NAN than it

14:35was in Make. The only thing I would say

14:37that was a little bit harder with NAND

14:39was the initial setup, but once you've

14:41got that down, it's really easy to get

14:44started and really intuitive. And

14:46honestly, I'm going to have a couple of

14:47videos that will walk you through some

14:49of those initial startup tasks and

14:52hopefully that will make it a lot easier

14:54for you to get started in N8N. And the

14:57fact that it's actually kind of about

14:59the same amount of effort to get a

15:01automation set up in make versus N8N.

15:04Given that N8N has way more potential of

15:08what it can do, I would absolutely go

15:11with NAND over make. If you can master

15:13N8N, then if you wanted to switch over

15:15to make, like maybe you get a client

15:17that wants something built in make and

15:19you uh you can build it for them. If you

15:23know how to use NAND, make will just

15:25come very easily to you. And so I do

15:28recommend the authors start with NAND.

15:31You don't have to be a coder to do

15:33things in NAND. Although you if you are

15:35a coder, that can increase the amount of

15:38things that you can do in NAN. I've even

15:40done a tiny bit of vibe coding inside of

15:44N8N to do certain steps and I was able

15:47to figure that out very easily with

15:48absolutely no background in code myself.

15:51I do not know JavaScript, PHP, uh,

15:54Python, any of any of the major

15:56languages. The only one I know a smidgen

15:58about is HTML and CSS, but those are

16:01like not even really proper coding

16:04languages. Um, so if I can figure it

16:07out, I know anybody can. And especially

16:09if if you come in and start with the

16:12things that I've created and work with

16:15those to get started and maybe you'll

16:17just work on figuring out how to tweak

16:18things for your own purposes. It's not

16:21going to be very difficult at all for

16:23you to figure out how to use it. So, if

16:25you haven't been able to tell by now,

16:27you can tell that I really love NAN. And

16:30as far as I'm concerned, I will only be

16:32teaching NADN from here on out. So, all

16:35of the future automation videos that I

16:37make are all going to be centered around

16:39N8N as the primary platform of choice.

16:43There are others, even besides make,

16:45there are others out there, but if you

16:47can master N8N, the rest should come

16:50pretty easily to you. So, I highly

16:52recommend that you also follow along in

16:54this journey and figure out how to use

16:57Nadn for your own purposes. And that's

16:59also what I'm doing inside of the story

17:01hacker group, which you can find a link

17:02down below where I am sharing all of my

17:04automations that I create. Those all go

17:07in that group, as well as a number of

17:09instruction and things beyond what you

17:11just see here. Plus, you've get access

17:13to the community. So, if you have a

17:15problem, if you're stuck on something,

17:16you can probably find somebody in the

17:18community to help you out. I'm in there

17:19answering questions every day as well.

17:21So, check that out if you're interested.

17:23That pretty much wraps it up for this

17:24video. As you can tell, we're just going

17:26to be going ahead with NADN in the

17:28future. And in the next video, we're

17:30going to actually talk about how to get

17:32it installed, how to uh how to get it

17:35going for you and your business. So stay

17:37tuned for that. and I will see you in

17:38the next

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