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0:00Welcome. Today, we are doing a fun

0:01little exercise comparing my experience

0:05between writing books traditionally and

0:08using AI to write them, as well as

0:10working with ghostwriters to write those

0:12books.

0:13Uh I've got a scale here on on different

0:16things that we're going to rank them

0:17each for

0:19uh on a five-point scale. And I'm going

0:21to talk about my own personal experience

0:22doing all three of these because up to

0:24this point, I've written 14 books the

0:26traditional way uh before I was working

0:28at Kindlepreneur, I I had done a lot of

0:30self-publishing and really cut my teeth

0:32on that whole process. Then I worked at

0:34Kindlepreneur for 3 years and learned a

0:37lot about the industry and all of that.

0:39Then once AI started to roll around, I

0:41started to experiment with that as well

0:44and that ended up becoming the majority

0:46of what this channel is all about, which

0:49is about how to use AI in the writing

0:50process. And of course, I get tons and

0:53tons of criticism from uh well-meaning

0:56people who nevertheless don't quite

0:59understand a little bit how AI works uh

1:01saying that it's totally just like

1:03removing all creativity from the problem

1:05from the process

1:07and just making it a soulless slop kind

1:11of thing. And I want to talk to you

1:13today about how that really could not be

1:15further from the truth. I had somebody

1:16ask me once if I could if if if I could

1:20truly show somebody one thing or or get

1:23an idea across to people, what would it

1:25be? And it really would be this. Just

1:28how much creativity and creative

1:30fulfillment is still in the process of

1:32AI. Like how much it still feels like

1:35your own story. Uh if you're doing it

1:37the right way, of course. Uh and then

1:39last, we'll talk about ghostwriters.

1:41Actually, might not be last, but uh

1:43we'll we'll also talk about

1:44ghostwriters. And uh and the creative

1:46process involved in working with a

1:48ghostwriter. And uh just to kind of be

1:52clear about our definitions here, I'm

1:54going to be doing this with the

1:56assumption that you are heavily involved

1:58in the process. So, my

2:01definition of creativity is you have

2:04something in your brain that only exists

2:07in your brain,

2:08and then you bring it out into the real

2:11world using whatever means are available

2:12to you. Doesn't really matter what the

2:14means are. And doing so can involve more

2:16or less

2:17actual creative expression, but it's

2:20still creativity to take something that

2:22was only in here and bring it out into

2:24the physical world. So, my assumption

2:27with all of this is that you have some

2:29kind of vision of a book. This is how I

2:31operate. You have a vision of your book,

2:34and then you either write it yourself,

2:37use AI, or hire a ghostwriter to bring

2:40that vision to life. But, if you were to

2:43just go to the ghostwriter and say,

2:44"Just write me a book." and you don't

2:46give them any instruction, then well,

2:47then it isn't your vision at that point.

2:50At least it's not the a vision of a

2:52specific story. And the same is true

2:55with AI. If you just go to AI and say,

2:56"Write me a book." well, then it's not

2:59really your story at that point. So, I'm

3:01assuming that you have a story in your

3:03head. You use either a yourself, AI, or

3:07a ghostwriter to bring that vision to

3:08life, and then in whatever form that

3:11takes, you have that vision fully

3:13realized in front of you. That's kind of

3:16what how I see it. That's what I go

3:18through with my students in the Story

3:20Hacker AI community, linked down below,

3:22by the way. And all of that. So, we're

3:25going to be talking about all three of

3:26these on three different sliders. We're

3:28going to talk about the creativity and

3:29the amount of creative creative

3:31expression involved in the process.

3:33We're going to talk about the ease of

3:35use, or just like how easy it is to

3:37produce the thing

3:39that you want to get out of your head.

3:41Also, this kind of going along with this

3:43is not just how easy it is, but how much

3:45time and effort it can take. And then

3:47finally, the the expected quality of the

3:50book. Now, this last one's the hardest

3:52to do because it can vary all over the

3:54place. So, I may in some cases give you

3:57kind of a range of answers, but we're

4:01going to try our best to go through

4:02these. And again, this is all very uh

4:06subjective to different people. This is

4:08just kind of with my experience working

4:10with all three quite a bit. I've written

4:1214 books the traditional way. I've

4:13written a bunch of books with AI, and

4:15this channel's all about AI. And then

4:17I've actually worked with quite a few

4:18ghostwriters to work inside of uh my

4:21universe as well cuz I've got like

4:23three, 400 books that I want to write in

4:25that universe or at least stories I want

4:26to tell. And so, obviously can't do that

4:29all myself even with AI. So, I've also

4:31worked with ghostwriters. So, let's go

4:33ahead and start with writing a book

4:35yourself. How much creative expression

4:37does it have? What's the easy easy views

4:39and the overall quality that you can

4:41expect, okay? So, let's start with

4:44creativity. Obviously, an enormous

4:46amount of creative creativity involved

4:49in writing a book yourself. You're not

4:51only providing the creativity for

4:53planning everything, but you're also

4:56actually typing out the words. And every

4:58sentence involves a certain amount of

4:59creativity. So, I'm going to put that

5:01one way over here as far as the amount

5:04of creativity that you can expect from

5:07this process. Now,

5:08I am going to add a caveat on this one

5:11because not every form of creative

5:14expression is desirable to everyone. And

5:17writing is kind of a step-by-step

5:20process, and there are parts of the

5:22process that might feel more creatively

5:24fulfilling to you that others.

5:26Think of it this way. Like, imagine you

5:29are These days, nobody would really

5:30contest that you can be

5:33a artist in Photoshop. Like, you're just

5:36a wiz at taking pictures and mashing

5:38them together and making something

5:39beautiful out of that. I don't think

5:41anybody would really dispute that fact.

5:43Then there are also artists who are

5:45literally hand painting oil paintings or

5:47something like that or acrylics or or

5:50watercolor or whatever and they're

5:51different mediums.

5:53Now, in writing there has not

5:56traditionally been different mediums of

5:59writing. Um

6:01it's only really been writing it

6:03yourself or hiring a ghostwriter in the

6:04past and now we have AI to act as a

6:06different medium of writing. And what AI

6:09allows you to do is it allows you to

6:11focus on that part of the process that

6:12you like the most. So, I will say even

6:16though generally speaking writing a book

6:18yourself is probably peak creative

6:20expression, it depends on the person.

6:23And because I for for myself find the

6:26actual prose writing part of writing out

6:28the sentences sentences actually doing

6:30the typing to be the most mind-numbing

6:33work imaginable. Everything else in the

6:35writing process I absolutely adore. And

6:38so, you know, some people think that

6:40because I find that process mind-numbing

6:42that that makes me not a writer. I don't

6:44think so. Like it doesn't feel that way.

6:46I still feel quite a bit of creative

6:48expression in the writing process and I

6:50have gotten into that flow state when

6:52writing a book myself that is absolutely

6:54amazing. But even before AI came around,

6:57I was switching to dictation, which is

7:00another more recent form of

7:03of a medium of getting it done. And even

7:05that was like way less of a headache

7:09than actually typing out the process.

7:11So, that's the only caveat here is that

7:14some parts of the process when you're

7:16doing everything yourself can be

7:18extremely tedious and therefore take

7:20away from the creative expression and

7:22joy that you have with it. But all in

7:25all, highly creative part of the process

7:27when you're doing everything yourself.

7:29Let's talk about ease of use. Also, very

7:32very high. In general, this is the

7:34hardest way to write a book is to write

7:36everything yourself. Now, of course,

7:38that was the only option available to us

7:40in the past. But these days we do have

7:42other tools, AI being one of them, uh

7:45dictation being another, that allow us

7:47to really bring this back and still get

7:50the same end result, like the same

7:52vision coming out of our head into the

7:53physical world, with less work. And so,

7:57as I think these tools get better and

7:59better, I do think that writing a book

8:02yourself completely, like with with uh

8:07no additional help and use of tools

8:09whatsoever, is going to be a little bit

8:11like trying to mow your lawn with a pair

8:12of scissors. Uh yes, it's going to be

8:14more work. Maybe you find that

8:16particularly fulfilling, or you can get

8:18into a kind of flow state for it, but no

8:20one's really going to be applauding you

8:22for doing it. They're just going to say,

8:23"Just use the darn lawn mower." All

8:26right? So, very difficult on this scale.

8:29I I guess I should say this is like uh

8:32instead of ease, so it's easiest here on

8:35number one and hardest over here at

8:36number five. All right, quality of the

8:38book. This is one where we're going to

8:39have to give you a range because uh

8:42newbie writers are going to have

8:45a uh much harder time of this.

8:49Um so, this one I would actually say

8:51that ranges all the way across the

8:54spectrum because um a lot of beginner

8:57writers might be absolutely horrible

9:00at uh at writing the books. And yet a a

9:03truly stellar, experienced writer can

9:06get all the way to like peak skill

9:08performance on their books when writing

9:11it themselves. It really is a matter of

9:13how much they have worked with the with

9:15the with their process and how many

9:18times they have written books with a

9:21feedback loop. Cuz let's be clear, just

9:23writing a lot of books

9:25without some kind of feedback loop to

9:27give you improvement is not going to

9:28turn you into a good writer. Also,

9:31if you are trying to spend a lot of time

9:35getting everything right, that is also

9:37not going to turn you into a good

9:39writer. People think that writing a book

9:41like taking the time to write say one

9:43book a year is going to make that book

9:45better and it's actually not true.

9:47Stephen King says I think it's like two

9:48to three months is ideal. Otherwise, you

9:50start to lose control, lose thought,

9:52lose traction with that story.

9:56Um and yeah,

9:58publishers might release a book a year

10:00for that character or for that author,

10:02but many authors like Stephen King had

10:05started out with pen names so they could

10:07actually write multiple books when the

10:10when the publisher would refuse to do

10:11that. Now it's Stephen King, he's

10:13Stephen King, they'll let him do

10:15whatever he wants. But um

10:17generally, you want to be writing a lot

10:19very frequently for like 10 plus years

10:23before you're going to be getting all

10:24the way over here. Okay? So that's that

10:27is writing a book yourself. There's

10:29still a lot of value to it. Um it can be

10:32super creatively fulfilling. However, in

10:34my personal admittedly biased opinion,

10:37it is the least effective way to do

10:39things these days. Uh and if you it's

10:41it's useful to do as a practice like you

10:44know, write a little bit every day, but

10:46as a career move, as someone who's

10:50trying to get stories out of your head

10:51into the physical world, it's the least

10:53effective way to do so. That will depend

10:56on your own tastes. Uh if you really

10:58love that prose writing process, then

11:01this process is going to be excellent

11:03for you. Just don't expect to really be

11:06able to get much traction there with it

11:08very fast. You have to play the long

11:10game and we're talking 10, 20 years if

11:12you want to see success doing this in

11:14today's market. All right. Now let's

11:17actually go to ghostwriter next. I want

11:18to save AI for last uh because

11:20ghostwriter has been interesting for me

11:22uh doing a couple of uh ghostwritten

11:24books with people.

11:26Uh

11:26and again, the the way it works for me

11:29in my process is I actually work with

11:31them. It's almost more of a co-writing

11:33thing, um but when you get very, very

11:35clear on the plot, I provide a

11:38significant amount of details about what

11:40I want the plot to look like and the

11:43characters and the growth that the

11:45characters go through and all of this. I

11:46have a very clear vision in my head

11:48going into this.

11:49And so what I do is I just try to

11:50express that vision as best I can to the

11:52ghost writer, hand them the project, and

11:55then they go and and and do it. Okay?

11:59So, in that kind of a process, the

12:02amount of creativity involved is still

12:05pretty prevalent if that's if that's a a

12:08phrase,

12:09because I'm still working with the ghost

12:11writer pretty significantly. And

12:14interestingly, if I were to if we go by

12:17my definition of creativity, which is

12:18taking something from your head and

12:20bringing it into the world, the end

12:22result is about the same either way,

12:24right? Because the story gets told, it

12:27gets told in the way that I want it.

12:29Assuming you have a semi-decent ghost

12:31writer. And then let me know down in the

12:33comments if you want some insights on

12:35how I find a ghost writer that's

12:37reasonably affordable, that's also

12:39reasonably good.

12:41So, there's still a fair amount of

12:42creativity involved because the end

12:44result still would more or less match

12:46what I did what I would do if I wrote it

12:48myself. So, for creativity, I'm going to

12:51put creativity for ghost writing right

12:53around here around the three mark

12:55because I still find it pretty

12:57creatively fulfilling. Now, I'm the kind

12:59of person who finds most creative

13:02fulfillment in the planning of a series

13:04and the plotting of a book and all of

13:06that. So, of course, I'm going to find

13:08this probably more creatively fulfilling

13:10than

13:12than other people,

13:13but that's just where I'm putting it.

13:15Again, this is all based on my

13:15experience. For ease of use, this one

13:18comes way down here almost to number

13:20one, almost to number one cuz all I have

13:22to do is provide the story and they

13:26pretty much take care of the rest. And

13:28if you have a semi-decent ghostwriter

13:29who knows uh a little bit of what

13:31they're doing and has experience, and

13:33most ghostwriters actually have a lot of

13:34experience, cuz all they do is just

13:36write books for other people. It's very

13:38hands-off. After [snorts] I give them

13:40the stuff, it's very hands-off. They

13:42give it back to me. I can do just a

13:43quick editing pass, but usually

13:45everything is A-OK. Uh you know, once

13:47I've vetted the ghostwriters. The

13:48ghostwriters that I do work with, it's

13:50like very very easy. There's very little

13:53that I have to do. The only reason I'm

13:54not putting this as on number one is

13:56because

13:57uh it could be actually easier if I

13:59didn't give them any creative input. If

14:01I just said, "You come up with the

14:03concept. You write the book." I know

14:04people, publishers that do that.

14:07That kind of what they do is they

14:09identify a genre, and then they kind of

14:11figure out what the tropes of that genre

14:12are, and the general genre expectations,

14:15and then just hand that to a ghostwriter

14:17and say,

14:18"Here you go. Uh write me some books

14:20that do this." And then they publish it,

14:22and they act like a publisher. That

14:23would be a little bit easier, maybe even

14:25like off the scale this way. But because

14:28I do like to work with a ghostwriter and

14:29give them specific instructions, and

14:31even like go back and forth with them a

14:33little bit before they even start

14:34writing it, that's why I'm putting that.

14:36Quality. Once again, this is going to

14:39depend on your ghostwriter, but I'm

14:41going to say the range is more like uh

14:44like if you've vetted your ghostwriter

14:46well, and you've been putting in some

14:48input in terms of plot and everything,

14:50you're you can expect a higher return

14:54for this. So, the range on this one I'd

14:56say is right about here. Um

14:58and you can easily get into some really

14:59high-quality books working with a

15:01ghostwriter. Um you're not going to

15:03probably you're probably not going to

15:04get the Stephen King levels, so maybe I

15:06can like take off a little bit of the

15:08tail end here, but it it's highly likely

15:11that you'll be able to get a decent

15:12result as long as you've vetted your

15:14ghostwriters properly. All right, so

15:16that's ghostwriting. And uh for Now,

15:18let's go to AI

15:20and talk a little bit about what AI

15:22looks like. Okay? So, AI is an

15:24interesting thing. The reason I saved it

15:26for last is because it is I see it as

15:29being almost in between writing it

15:31yourself and a ghostwriter in quite a

15:32number of ways, actually. It's very much

15:35a similar or a a kind of hybrid of the

15:38two, very much so. So, creative

15:40expression. I know people who are

15:42anti-AI are going to not like this, but

15:46I actually put that somewhere over here.

15:48Um people think People who are

15:50misinformed think that AI involves no

15:52creativity. In my experience, it

15:54involves far more creativity than using

15:57a ghostwriter. And I'm still using quite

15:59a bit of creativity when working with a

16:01ghostwriter, at least in the way that I

16:02use it, because I'm very involved in

16:04that process. With AI, it's like having

16:07a ghostwriter, but the ghostwriter needs

16:09to be micromanaged every step of the

16:11way, and you have to be much more

16:14involved, much more involved. Now, is it

16:16the same amount of involvement and work

16:20as writing a book yourself? Of course

16:22not, right? But as far as creative

16:24expression goes, if you're doing this

16:26correctly and you're not just saying,

16:27you know, just write me a book, if

16:29you're actually trying to create that

16:30thing in your head into the the real

16:32world, by far, by far more of a creative

16:36process than using a ghostwriter. And I

16:38would even go close to getting like

16:40closer to here. Uh the only reason that

16:43I don't is because you're not actually

16:45writing the prose yourself. There is

16:47actually a hybrid option that I will

16:50talk about in another video, um where

16:53you can kind of use both, um where you

16:56have AI write you a draft and then you

16:58write a completely new draft just kind

17:00of glancing at the old at the AI version

17:03from time to time to gain inspiration.

17:05That's even more like that's like over

17:06here somewhere. But generally speaking,

17:09I'd put it somewhere between ghostwriter

17:12and writing it yourself and leaning more

17:14towards writing it yourself, because the

17:16actual process when you actually get in

17:17the weeds and are doing the work with

17:19AI, it's still work. It's just not as

17:24mind-numbing as as doing all that

17:27typing. Uh and again, I know I'm going

17:28to get pushed back for that because uh

17:31how dare I suggest that that's

17:32mind-numbing work when that's like the

17:34epitome of creative expression for

17:36people. And that's fine. That you know,

17:38that do you do you, right? I'm going to

17:41do me. And this is how I see it. All

17:43right? Ease of use also somewhere in the

17:46middle. Uh I would say uh so if

17:49Ghostwriter is super easy and writing it

17:52yourself is at the hard end of the

17:53scale, I'd probably put it right in the

17:55middle, like at a three or just, you

17:57know, maybe a little closer to the hard

17:59side. Uh it is certainly it certainly

18:01still requires quite a bit of work. Uh

18:03but it is also certainly not nearly the

18:05same amount of work as writing it all

18:07yourself. The best benefit that I get

18:10from it, uh cuz sometimes it can

18:11actually take you a similar amount of

18:12time, but the best benefit I get is just

18:15not having the blank page syndrome,

18:16right? Not having to just start from

18:18nothing and figure it out, right? That's

18:22difficult to do. And thankfully, we

18:24don't have to do it uh with AI. We can

18:26at least get a nudge in the right

18:28direction that kind of uh like it primes

18:31the pump, let's say, the creative pump.

18:34So and once again, all three of these

18:36things can get the idea from your head

18:39into the physical world. It just matters

18:42to what degree do you want to hand off

18:45some of that work to a person or an AI

18:47to get it done. All right. And now let's

18:49talk about the quality. So um I'd say it

18:52starts right about here. Um so people

18:55can get really poorly written books when

18:57they're writing it themselves. If

18:58they're inexperienced or they they

19:01haven't been getting good feedback loops

19:03and everything,

19:05AI is a far better writer than that. Uh

19:08so it's going to be doing much better.

19:09In fact, I think this is too low.

19:11Uh I think it's maybe just a little bit

19:14Actually, I'd say it's probably about

19:16the same as a ghost writer at the low

19:17end, right?

19:19Because a ghost writer can be a really

19:21poor writer, too. And if you're only

19:23working with them because they're the

19:24only thing that you can afford, you the

19:26quality might actually be worse than you

19:28want it to be. But with AI, there is a

19:31certain base level of quality if you

19:32know what you're doing. Uh like if

19:34you're if you go through the

19:35step-by-step process that we talk about

19:37in my membership, like it's going to be

19:39a significantly higher quality. Uh there

19:42have been studies recently that people

19:44often

19:45prefer AI writing when they don't know

19:47it's AI writing. And which is insane

19:50[snorts] to me, but

19:53but yeah,

19:54there are certainly quality issues with

19:55AI, but the baseline where people can

19:59start from is significantly higher than

20:03where people would start from

20:05uh

20:06if they were just writing it themselves.

20:08Okay? So, this is where I'd start. As

20:10far as where it can go, um it depends it

20:12depends on kind of the situation, right?

20:14So, we're talking just like someone

20:16who's skilled with AI, who's good at

20:18using AI, it can get them to about maybe

20:22here. So, the range is shorter, but the

20:25floor is higher, right? Uh but the

20:28ceiling is not going to be as high as a

20:29highly skilled writer. Unless that

20:33person is a highly skilled writer and a

20:37highly skilled AI user, which is a rare

20:39combo. Uh but I'm sure in the next 10

20:43plus years, we're going to be seeing a

20:45lot more of those kind of people. People

20:46who understand story, who understand

20:48what good prose looks like, and use AI

20:51to get there. Those people are probably

20:53going to be off this scale. They're

20:55going to be way off in this direction to

20:58the point where

21:00I truly believe that a skilled human

21:02plus AI will be able to do things that a

21:05skilled human alone could never have

21:07done before. We are entering an age

21:09where the technology is going to allow

21:11us to collectively raise all ships.

21:14Everything's going to get better. And

21:17the floor is going to get higher, but

21:18the ceiling is also going to get higher.

21:20Um right now, we're not quite there yet,

21:22I don't think. Uh I think the the

21:25ultimate potential that you have after

21:2710, 20 plus years of practicing writing

21:29is going to be higher if you're writing

21:31it yourself. But once we get to to the

21:33point where people have been using AI

21:34for 10 to 20 years,

21:36we're going to be seeing some things

21:38that people can do with AI with that

21:40amount of experience that a newcomer

21:41coming into AI could never have done. Um

21:44so, I hope that

21:46kind of all makes sense. I know I

21:47rambled a little bit in this video, but

21:49I hope that was all useful for you. Uh

21:51if you want to learn more about how to

21:52use AI practically in a way that is not

21:56disrupting your creativity to make sure

21:57that that book in your head comes into

22:00life in the form that you are in in a

22:03form that you are proud of and that uh

22:05matches or exceeds what you what you

22:08would get if you wrote it yourself, then

22:10please check out the link down below

22:12where uh I can guide you through that

22:13whole process, and I'll see you in the

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