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The Anthropic AI Lawsuit is Amazing News for Authors

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0:00The last few months have been some of

0:01the most interesting and

0:02industrydefining moments in tech and in

0:05copyright history. With the case of

0:07Barts versus Anthropic, which is set to

0:09really determine just how legal is it

0:12for these big AI companies to train

0:14their large language models on

0:16copyrighted material. Now, I've been

0:18monitoring this court case since it got

0:20started, and it's now pretty much over,

0:22and the results have been nothing short

0:24of fascinating. And believe it or not,

0:26it's actually a big win for authors and

0:28creatives, whether you use AI or not.

0:35Now, if you're new here, my name is

0:37Jason. I wrote 14 books the traditional

0:39way. Worked at Kindlepreneur for a

0:41number of years, which by the way, they

0:42have a really impressive article on this

0:44exact topic, so you should go check them

0:46out. I'll link to it down below. But I

0:47started this channel as a way to show

0:49authors how to use AI as a productivity

0:52tool without actually compromising your

0:54creativity or ethics. I should also

0:56point out that I am not a lawyer and

0:58none of this should be taken as actual

1:00legal advice. I have tried to do my due

1:02diligence to actually find credible

1:04sources for this though. So hopefully

1:06this will be useful in just breaking

1:07down this case for you. So what exactly

1:10is this lawsuit all about? Well, it was

1:12filed in late 2023 when three authors,

1:14Andrea Barts, Charles Greyber, and Kirk

1:17Wallace Johnson, filed a class action

1:19lawsuit against Anthropic, which is the

1:21company behind Claude. And if you have

1:23been a fan of this channel for a while,

1:24you know I really enjoy the Claude

1:26models. They tend to be one of the best

1:28ones at creative writing. But they

1:29claimed that Anthropic used their books

1:31along with millions of others to train

1:33its AI without permission. Something

1:35they thought was wrong and

1:37understandably so. Now, just as a

1:39reminder of what copyright actually

1:41protects, I like to think of it in terms

1:43of the three Ds. So, you have the

1:46display of a text, the distribution of

1:49that text, and the derivation of that

1:52text. Now, in this case, derivation is

1:54not really applicable as it's next to

1:56impossible to actually get AI to create

1:59derivative work without the express

2:01instruction of the user, in which case

2:04the user would actually be the one

2:05culpable for feeding it with these

2:07derivative instructions. You know, like

2:09if I asked it to create Star Wars

2:11fanfiction, for example, and then I went

2:13and tried to sell that fanfiction,

2:14that's not really the fault of the AI.

2:16That's more my issue. And a lot of these

2:19AI models actually have safeguards in

2:21place to sort of prevent any sort of

2:23derivative type of copyright

2:25infringement. It's not perfect, but they

2:27do try to do that. Now, the display of a

2:29copyrighted text is also something that

2:31large language models can't really do

2:33because once again, there safeguards to

2:35prevent that sort of thing. It's really,

2:37really difficult to try and get a large

2:39language model to give you more than a

2:41tiny quote or two here from other books.

2:44often those quotes will be wrong and

2:46trying to get it to produce a more

2:48substantial piece of the text is just

2:51not something it can do because remember

2:53these models were not they don't have a

2:55database that they're drawing from when

2:57they were trained on these models. The

2:58training happens and then the training

3:00data is discarded. It it isn't needed

3:03anymore. And so all it's done is it's

3:05learned the probability of language from

3:07that training data. Which means yes, in

3:09some cases it might be able to from a

3:11probability standpoint get something

3:13that's close to the original text, but

3:15it's actually really really difficult

3:17from the way large language models work

3:19to display the text. And so any lawsuits

3:21that have come trying to argue that

3:24these large language models are

3:25displaying text of copyrighted material

3:28to the end user essentially get thrown

3:30out because there's absolutely nothing

3:31that can really be brought as evidence

3:33for that. However, we have the third D

3:35and that is distribution and this was

3:38the main issue around this lawsuit and

3:40the one for which the large settlement

3:43occurred. So what do we get out of this

3:45lawsuit? Put simply, there are a number

3:48of things that got really definitively

3:51uh decided on by the judge on what this

3:54gives us. The first is that training

3:57claude on legally purchased books was

4:00officially deemed fair use. We're not

4:02likely to see that change because one of

4:03the things that Anthropic was doing is

4:05they were purchasing books and then

4:07scanning them and then using those

4:09scans, the digitization of those books

4:12in their training data. And

4:13additionally, the judge found that

4:14digitizing those print books that

4:16Anthropic bought and using those for

4:18training, that was also deemed fair use.

4:20And for good reason, honestly. Like, if

4:22I buy a book and then I digitize it for

4:25myself, just for my own purposes. And

4:28I'm not distributing it to anybody else.

4:30I'm not giving it away to anybody. I'm

4:31just using it for my own purposes. And I

4:33actually have done this. I actually have

4:35a book scanner. I'll show you one

4:37example. I recently bought this and a

4:39bunch of other little pamphlets like

4:40this from Alex Rormozi. And there's no

4:42ebook version of this. And I wanted to

4:44have an ebook version that I could carry

4:46around on my Kindle. I cannot do that

4:49and then give away the digitization that

4:51I have created. But I can 100% scan this

4:54and then run it through a prompt locally

4:57on my computer that transcribes it and

5:00then from there I can put that on my own

5:02Kindle and that is fair use. Uh because

5:04I'm only using it for myself. I am not

5:06creating derivative work from it. I am

5:08not displaying it to other people

5:10publicly and I am not distributing it in

5:13any way. So as long as I want to have

5:15that right to be able to do that for

5:16myself and as long as you want to have

5:18the right to be able to do pretty much

5:20whatever you want with your the stuff

5:22that you have purchased, it makes sense

5:23that this would be fair use and that

5:25anthropic would also have the same

5:27legality assigned to it because a

5:30business is treated legally much in the

5:32same way as an individual is. And if we

5:34were to change that, it would create a

5:36pretty dangerous precedent for what we

5:38could do with our own work that we

5:42purchased. So those first two things,

5:44the purchasing, scanning, and

5:47digitization of those books was

5:48considered fair use by the judge, which

5:50is actually really a handy thing to know

5:53that that is okay. However, Claude was

5:55also trained on databases that included

5:58pirated training data, aka data that was

6:00pulled from pirated websites where those

6:03websites were illegally distributing the

6:05work. Now, I think we all know that

6:06pirating is bad and is definitely

6:09illegal and against copyright

6:10protection. And remember that copyright

6:12protects against the display and

6:14distribution of a work. And when

6:16Anthropic pulled from those pirated data

6:19sets, they were essentially aiding in

6:21the illegal distribution of that work.

6:23So while buying and digitizing books to

6:25use in a data set is deemed fair use and

6:28completely legal, using pirated books in

6:30the same data set was not and this is

6:33what the judge ruled and this is why

6:35Anthropic eventually settled this

6:36lawsuit with the plaintiffs. So what

6:38does the settlement look like and can we

6:41as authors actually benefit from it?

6:42Well, Anthropic has agreed to settle for

6:44a whopping $1.5 billion to be paid to a

6:48settlement fund which can then be

6:50distributed to authors who qualify.

6:52That's approximately $3,000 per book for

6:54the estimated count of 500,000 books.

6:57And if there are more than 500,000 books

6:59found, Anthropic will pay an additional

7:02$3,000 per book to the fund. Hey, Jason

7:04from the future here. Um, just as I was

7:06about to post this video, some news came

7:08out that the judge had actually rejected

7:10that $1.5 billion settlement, saying it

7:14was quote nowhere close to complete. Um,

7:17and I think his main concern was just uh

7:19inefficiency in uh the detail and

7:22transparency. He thought it uh risked

7:24actually unfair payouts to authors and

7:28um uh he just generally wasn't happy

7:31with it. So that just shows that like a

7:33lot of this stuff is in flux and uh

7:35things may change and we don't really

7:37know what exactly this is going to look

7:39like when it's finally finalized. Um

7:43most of what I uh the other things I say

7:45in this video are still relevant though.

7:46So, we'll just go back to that. Now, as

7:48a side note, for those of you who are

7:49hoping that Anthropic and AI's demise

7:51from cases like this, I have bad news

7:53for you because Anthropic just recently

7:56raised their valuation by 13 billion to

7:58a total of 183 billion. 1.5 billion

8:01actually isn't. It's kind of a drop in

8:02the bucket considering the investments

8:04and the investment money that they have.

8:06And the same goes for other AI companies

8:08are even bigger than Anthropic. But

8:09Anthropic must also delete all pirated

8:12books from their training data set going

8:14forward. That was also part of the

8:15settlement. This is only relevant for

8:17future training materials as this

8:18lawsuit does not work retroactively to

8:21past models that were trained on this

8:23data. And as I mentioned before, you

8:25don't have to have like once a model has

8:27been trained on the training data, it

8:29doesn't need that training data anymore.

8:30So just by throwing out the pirated

8:32data, it's not actually going to make

8:34our current cloud models perform any

8:37worse because they've already been

8:38trained. That part is over. And the way

8:40legal cases like this work is that it

8:42doesn't work retroactively. they don't

8:44have to stop using the cloud models just

8:47because those cloud models were trained

8:48on pirated data. All this does is it

8:50prevents Anthropic from using pirated uh

8:54work in the future for their future data

8:57sets and for their future large language

8:59models that they train. So just a

9:00clarifying note there. So how can

9:02authors take advantage of this if you

9:04want to get that $3,000 per work for

9:06example? Now as of right now the

9:08comprehensive list of effective works is

9:10still in development but that will be

9:12available eventually. And in the

9:13meantime, you can visit a tool that I'll

9:15link to below from the Atlantic. And

9:16that will show you if your book was

9:18included in LibGen, which is one of the

9:20big databases that was that Anthropic

9:22used and was in question here. So, that

9:24should give you an idea of whether or

9:26not you qualify to earn some kickback

9:28from this. However, there are a few

9:30qualifications authors must have in

9:32order to qualify for these damages. And

9:34unfortunately, this is going to rule out

9:36a lot of you. The first is that this

9:37only applies to those in the US as this

9:40was a US copyright case. and so only

9:43applies in the US. You must also have a

9:45registered copyright for the book in

9:48question. And that copyright needs to

9:49have been filed within 5 years of having

9:51published it and before Anthropic used

9:53it to train your models. So you can't

9:55just go out and copyright your book

9:57right now and then expect to get

10:00compensated for it. It needs to had that

10:02copyright applied to it within 5 years

10:04of the publishing of that book. Now,

10:06unfortunately for self-published

10:07authors, most of us do not actually

10:09copyright every single book because it

10:11costs money and there's a hassle behind

10:13it. And in my case, I only had one book

10:15that I've copyrighted that is also on

10:18the libgen database. So, the most I

10:20could possibly get from this maybe would

10:22be $3,000 for the one book. And we

10:24actually found out because of this case

10:26that a lot of traditional publishers

10:27were also not filing copyright for some

10:30of the books that they published because

10:32a lot of people were looking into this

10:33and realizing that their book was not

10:34published even though in most cases

10:37traditional publishers are contractually

10:39obligated to file copyright for the

10:41book. So if you are a traditionally

10:42published author make sure to check that

10:45your book has been filed in the

10:47copyright office for a US copyright.

10:50Now, the third qualification is that

10:51your book must also have an

10:53international standard book number or

10:54ISBN. This is less likely to be a

10:57problem because even if you didn't

10:58purchase an ISBN for yourself, if you

11:01published it on a platform like Amazon,

11:03you will have gotten one anyway. So,

11:05your book will have an ISBN as long as

11:07you published it somewhere. And it

11:09doesn't have to be an ISBN that you

11:11purchased. So, all that said, um, if you

11:14think that you might qualify, if you

11:15check the LibGen database and you find

11:17out that you have books in there and

11:19those books were copyrighted at the time

11:21that Anthropic used them, your book has

11:23an ISBN number, then you might qualify.

11:26And so, there's a website I will link to

11:28down below,

11:28anthropiccopyrightslement.com,

11:30where you can go and submit your

11:31copyright information and your contact

11:33information. And I think there will be

11:35other updates on this as we go along

11:38where you might be able to get more

11:39clear instructions about what to do.

11:41Don't worry, this is not something, you

11:43know, these cases take a long time, so

11:45this is not something you need to rush

11:46for just yet. Uh, we don't even have the

11:49official list of affected works yet. So,

11:52at the very least, we can wait until

11:53that's out before starting to figure out

11:55how can we get there our damages for

11:57this. So, why do I say that this is a

11:59good thing for authors, even if you are

12:01a pro AAI author? Well, first of all,

12:04after years of arguing and moaning and

12:07groaning, we finally have some solid

12:09legal precedent for what is and isn't

12:11legal around using copyrighted works for

12:13training data. And in other words, uh,

12:15legally acquiring a copy of a book and

12:16using that seems to be fine while using

12:18pirated data is not. And this will

12:20likely lead to a lot of AI companies

12:22being a little bit more careful about

12:24the data that they include to make sure

12:26that there is no pirated work in there.

12:28Second, this means the authors will get

12:30at a minimum at least one legally bought

12:33copy of their book for training data

12:35purposes. And that's not going to sound

12:37like a lot and definitely not enough for

12:38most people, but I think it's actually

12:40better than what I would have expected,

12:42honestly. And I think we'll see more

12:43companies giving higher licensing

12:45options in order to sell exclusive

12:47rights to training data in the future.

12:49So, for instance, if they want to train

12:51on your book and other AI companies

12:53aren't allowed to do so, they want to

12:55buy that exclusive right from you, that

12:57could potentially uh drive more

12:59competition for training data, that sort

13:01of thing. So, having more of these

13:02licensing deals will also make their

13:04legal right to those books far more

13:06ironclad, which I'm sure is a security

13:08that most of these companies would want.

13:11Now, unfortunately, what this doesn't do

13:13is provide authors with a way of opting

13:15out of training LLMs on their books.

13:17That might be something we see in the

13:18future. But since these companies can

13:20now clearly just buy a copy of your book

13:22and digitize it without your permission

13:25because that is considered fair use.

13:26Clearly, there are lots of things that I

13:28can do with your book without permission

13:30because once I've bought that book, I

13:32have fair use to do a lot of things with

13:33it. As long as I don't distribute,

13:35display publicly or create derivative

13:37works from that book, which are the only

13:39things that copyright protects against.

13:41And copyright doesn't protect me against

13:42photocopying your book for my own

13:44purposes as long as I don't distribute

13:46it or for using it as toilet paper if I

13:49so desire. Well, you know, people do

13:51that. But ultimately, I think having

13:53clear rules around training data is

13:54nothing but a good thing. And this is

13:57just the start. I think we're going to

13:58start actually seeing a lot of these

14:00gray areas get much more well-

14:01definfined from a legal standpoint, from

14:03a licensing standpoint, and all of that.

14:06And if you're a pro AI author, this is

14:08good news for you as well. It doesn't

14:10mean that these LLMs are going to get

14:11dumber because they can't train on

14:13pirated material. If anything, now that

14:15AI companies know for sure that they can

14:17legally buy a copy of a book and

14:18digitize it, we might actually see more

14:21books join the data sets because they

14:23can now add books that either weren't

14:25digital or weren't in pirated data sets.

14:27And it's a heck of a lot cheaper to buy

14:29one copy and digitize it than to pay

14:31$3,000 in legal fees per book, which as

14:33I established, even 1.5 billion is a

14:36drop in the bucket for these huge tech

14:38companies. The last reason why I think

14:40this is a good thing is that now that

14:41this precedent has been set, we're going

14:44to see more lawsuits coming against

14:46other AI companies who have also trained

14:48their models on copyrighted works.

14:50There's already several of them in

14:51process and we're going to probably see

14:52a lot more settlements of this type. And

14:54this case will make it much easier for

14:56the plaintiffs to argue whether or not

14:58there was infringement that occurred.

15:00And I'll keep you up to date as this

15:01case continues unfolding, including

15:03where you'll be able to go once the full

15:05listing of infringing works is

15:06officially published. And if this video

15:08was useful for you, I would be happy if

15:10you could just do all the YouTube stuff.

15:12We talk a lot about AI and creative

15:13writing on this channel. I also have uh

15:15some ways to work with me a little bit

15:17more directly. We do challenges in my

15:20gold group like a book in a month

15:21challenge. Right now, we're writing a

15:23short story without AI as a sort of

15:25creative writing exercise to try and

15:27actually improve our skills. So, we're

15:29very serious about actually not just

15:31writing with AI, but building our own

15:33creativity in the process and using AI

15:35as a productivity tool. So, if that's

15:36interesting to you, links are all down

15:38below and I will see you in the next

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