Nick Fuentes vs Professor Jiang: Who Actually Runs the World? │ Jack Neel Podcast

0:00Trump is not in control.

0:01>> Yes.

0:02>> The people that are orchestrating the

0:04tempo and the timeline of events are

0:05Israel.

0:06>> He has surrounded himself with [music]

0:08religious fanatics. They believe that

0:10this war will usher in the end times. Do

0:13you think [music] America should have a

0:15dictator? You need a dictator now

0:16because the system is so fundamentally

0:18broken.

0:18>> Totally agree. We're stuck.

0:20>> Who wields the most power? The answer is

0:23secret societies. The Freemasons,

0:24[music] the Jesuits, and the classic

0:26example is the Roth Shaw family. Do you

0:28think Masons have any influence?

0:30>> I don't believe in the secret society

0:31thing. I don't believe in the Mason or

0:33Jesuit conspiracy or the Illuminati. The

0:36Rothschilds, what you kind of left out

0:37there is it's a Jewish family.

0:39>> They're also separating Francis.

0:40>> What's the evidence for this?

0:41>> I don't have the evidence at the top of

0:42my head.

0:43>> It's not real.

0:43>> It's called Wikipedia.

0:45>> What do you think Nick misunderstands

0:47about Israel's influence on the world?

0:49>> Let's just give the Infinity Gauntlet to

0:51Nick. Okay, you're now Thanos and with a

0:53snap of your finger, I will eliminate

0:55this group and then all the world's

0:57problems will be solved. Which group

0:58would you pick?

0:59>> Uh, correct.

1:00>> Nick Fuentes and Professors Young.

1:02Welcome to the Jack Neil podcast. So,

1:03Nick, would you care to introduce

1:05yourself and tell us a little bit about

1:07your background briefly?

1:08>> Sure. Yeah. I'm Nick Fuentes. I do a

1:10show called America First and I've been

1:13doing it for about 10 years

1:14independently

1:16and that's what I do.

1:17>> Cool. And professor.

1:19>> Yeah. So, first of all, Nick, it's great

1:21to meet you for the first time and uh I

1:23really appreciate you coming all this

1:25way for this conversation. Um, as you

1:27know, I was planning to fly to Chicago,

1:30but because of certain issues at the

1:32border, um, so I really appreciate you

1:35coming all this way. My my gratitude and

1:38my appreciation. So, my name is

1:40Professor Tang. That is my internet

1:42moniker. I'm not actually a professor.

1:44Um but I have a YouTube channel called

1:47predict predictive history and my

1:50mission my purpose is try to analyze

1:53history and current events in a way that

1:57allows me to draw certain principles

1:59which will allow me to predict the

2:01future and my goal is to uh promote this

2:05as a new economic discipline so as to

2:09raise human consciousness. Yeah, I'll uh

2:13get into what you both have said about

2:16each other's backgrounds later in the

2:19interview, but I think a good place to

2:21start here is you both agreed or stated

2:24that America has already lost the Iran

2:27war, but Nick, you've said the war was

2:30started because of corruption and Trump

2:33lost because he's simply stupid. So the

2:36first question here is why do you think

2:38Trump launched a war on Iran and do you

2:40think America lost the Iran war?

2:43>> I think he started this war not for

2:45geopolitical reasons but for

2:47esquetological reasons. Um and my

2:50argument is that he has surrounded

2:53himself with religious fanatics. People

2:56like people like Peter Hex. They believe

2:58that this war in the Middle East will

3:01usher in the end times. And I make this

3:04statement because if I just analyze this

3:06war from a game theory perspective, it

3:09is very hard for me to um find a logical

3:14reason why they start this war. And this

3:16something that Nick and I can discuss.

3:18Um but I believe this war is a religious

3:21esquetological messianic war. And Nick,

3:24why do you think Trump started this Iran

3:26war?

3:26>> Well, I agree that there's an

3:28esqueological dimension to it. obviously

3:30because it involves the greater Israel

3:32project and it involves the temple and

3:34it involves Iran's encirclement of

3:36Israel on every side of its borders with

3:38Hezbollah, Hamas, the PMF in Iraq and so

3:41on. But I really believe you could trace

3:43it to uh precipitating geopolitical

3:46reasons which I don't think you would

3:47even disagree with that it started with

3:50a series of events that began when Trump

3:52pulled us out of the nuclear deal in

3:542018. Trump withdrew us from the JCPOA.

3:57Uh by 2020, Iran stopped adhering to its

4:00commitments under the nuclear deal,

4:02enriching without limitations, making a

4:04highlyenriched uranium stockpile. It was

4:06when Joe Biden then got elected in 2020

4:09and took office in 21 immediately began

4:12to reconstitute the Iranian nuclear

4:14deal. And then with the help of China in

4:1623, they tried to do a reproachment

4:19between Iran and Saudi Arabia. These

4:21were some of the factors, I think, why

4:22one, Hamas attacked Israel, and then why

4:24Israel used that as a pretext to declare

4:27war, not just on Hamas, but on all of

4:29Iran's proxies, including Hezbollah, the

4:31Assad regime, the Houthi rebels, the PMF

4:34in Iraq. And that basically started this

4:37inexraable process where, to your point,

4:40they then got Trump elected. It was

4:42American jewelry. Israel move to get

4:44Trump in office because they knew he was

4:46going to take us to war against Iran and

4:48it would fulfill the larger project of

4:51making Israel the dominant regional

4:53power and that guarantees their ability

4:55then to annex the West Bank uh Gaza and

4:58then destroy the Alaka mosque and

5:00rebuild the third temple. I think that's

5:01certainly a part of it.

5:02>> And do you have any disagreements with

5:04what he just said?

5:05>> No, I mean I think he gave a very clear

5:06timeline. What I would argue is there

5:10had to be a reason why Trump withdrew

5:12the United States from the GCPOA, which

5:15is um commonly referred to as the Obama

5:18nuclear deal with Iran. Um and the idea

5:21was that over time the United States

5:23would lift sanctions on Iran as long as

5:26Iran agreed to abide by uh international

5:30inspections of its nuclear program. So

5:32Iran could use nuclear uh enrichment for

5:35its civilian nuclear program but it

5:37could not use it for uh to develop

5:39nuclear weapons. Also we have we have to

5:41remember at this time theat the supreme

5:43religious leader had a fatwa which

5:46strictly prohibited uh using uh uranium

5:50enrichment for nuclear nuclear weapon

5:52development as well as to use nuclear

5:55weapons in a war. So there were a lot of

5:58um constraints against Iran developing

6:00nuclear weapon and by tearing apart a

6:04GCP CPA OA or by Trump unilaterally

6:07withdrawing from the GCPOA it basically

6:09incentivized Iran to pursue nuclear uh

6:12or uranium enrangement. So that's what

6:14the GCPOA is. Okay. So but it was not

6:17just the GCPOA that was that was the

6:19first step. Then what happened was uh

6:22Trump moved the American embassy from

6:25Tel Aviv to Jerusalem which was

6:28extremely provocative not just um to the

6:31Palestinians but basically to the entire

6:33Arab world. Uh there was a consensus

6:35that uh Jerusalem would um would be a

6:39neutral um territory because of its

6:42religious significance to all Abrahamic

6:44religions. Then you had Trump

6:46recognizing Israel's control over the

6:48Golden Heights from Israel. You also had

6:51the Abraham Accords. Uh and then of

6:54course on January 3rd, 2020, Trump

6:56ordered the assassination of General

6:58Kasam Salmani, which was the most

7:00provocative act because he was a de

7:01facto ambassador of Iran in the Middle

7:03East. And for uh the longest time, he

7:06was actually working very closely with

7:08Americans to contain ISIS in that uh

7:10area. So the question then is we both

7:14agree there is this timeline of events

7:16but where we might disagree is what is

7:19motivating Trump in in the in these

7:23events. And so what I would argue is

7:26>> that um somehow Trump in his head became

7:30influenced by Zionism in America. And

7:34when I mean Zionism I include both um

7:36the issue lobby as well as Christian

7:38Zionists. So people like John of

7:41Christians United for Israel

7:43>> is following their plan to create as

7:45much chaos as possible in the Middle

7:47East in order to create the great

7:50project and then ultimately to um

7:53provoke the war of Gawk and Mog and

7:56unless you understand it that way it's

7:58very hard to explain his actions. So

8:00that's what what my argument would be.

8:02>> I would just disagree that Trump is

8:04doing it for those reasons. I think that

8:06people around him, including the state

8:07of Israel, have created the conditions

8:09where there are fewer options for Trump

8:13other than the ones that would end in

8:15that situation. So, for example, because

8:17you're right, and a lot of people don't

8:18know this, it was Trump that promised in

8:2116 to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to

8:23Jerusalem. And people at that time, at

8:26least from the Trump movement of which I

8:27was a part of, they said, "Well, that's

8:29really no big deal." They said, "We're

8:31going to give the Zionist lobby a small

8:33concession, which is this embassy. In

8:35exchange, Aden's going to give them $100

8:37million in 1618 in 2020." So people said

8:41moving an embassy, what's really the big

8:43deal? This is just a quid proquo. But

8:45the precipitating event behind October

8:477th, what was October 7th called? It was

8:49Al Axa flood after the Al Axa mosque.

8:52This is when Hamas invades from Gaza and

8:55it was a direct response to provocative

8:58Jewish actions on the Temple Mount where

9:00they were on the steps doing sacrifices

9:02and other things specifically to incite

9:04Muslims to attack them. So the so much

9:07of Trump's recognition of Israel's

9:09sovereignty is again it wasn't just

9:11moving the embassy it was recognizing

9:12Israel's sovereignty over Jerusalem as

9:14the eternal capital of Israel that

9:17created the conditions for a major clash

9:19between Palestinians and Israelis. And I

9:21think that that's a good example of how

9:24clearly the Zionist lobby understood the

9:26significance of moving moving the

9:27embassy. They understood the religious

9:30esqueological dimension of what does

9:32that mean when we move the embassy to

9:33Jerusalem. It means Israel controls the

9:36capital which means then they're going

9:37to take the West Bank which means then

9:38they're going to take uh the Alexa

9:40mosque down and build the temple. I

9:42think Trump ideologically is not there.

9:44I think for him it's more transactional.

9:46And so for him I it's more like how I

9:49described it that he looks at someone

9:51like Dantis who was a representative at

9:53that time in 18 Dantis was one of the

9:56biggest proponents of moving the embassy

9:58pressuring Trump to move it and I think

10:00Trump kind of looked at that like all

10:02right I'll let him have the embassy if

10:04that's what gets the Zionists on board

10:06for the midterms and re-election. So

10:07that that would only be maybe a slight

10:09disagreement there about Trump's

10:11motivations in particular. Can you break

10:13down exactly what you believe Trump's

10:15motivations to be for the war are then?

10:17>> Well, the thing about the war is that,

10:20and I try to unpack this on my show all

10:22the time, you have to talk about the

10:24strategic imperatives of every state.

10:26Israel's strategic imperative is the

10:29threat on the periphery, which is the

10:31northern border, Hezbollah, funded and

10:34supplied by Iran through Syria. And

10:37that's been that way since 96 in the

10:39clean break memo. It's securing the

10:40northern border. and they say we got to

10:42take down Iraq, take down Syria, then go

10:45for the head of the snake, Iran. Only

10:47then can we cut off Hezbollah and

10:49control our immediate surroundings. And

10:51what you understand is that for Israel

10:53to control its immediate periphery, they

10:55have to destroy Iran, specifically its

10:57regime. They need regime change in

10:59particular. So Iran must respond to

11:02this. They see that Israel and the

11:04United States have been doing this to

11:06other states. They did it to Saddam

11:08Hussein in Iraq, Gaddafi and Libya,

11:10Assad in Syria. And so Iran knows regime

11:13survival is now their imperative. If the

11:16US and Israel is destroying every

11:17government, then the Ayatollah says,

11:19"I'm next. How do I deter an attack from

11:23the US and Israel and ensure my

11:24survival? Only way [snorts] to do that

11:26is a nuclear weapon." So then, but if

11:28they race towards a bomb, that will

11:31invite US aggression because the US has

11:33a non-prololiferation policy. So Iran

11:36has to go in the middle. They called the

11:37threshold status. We'll be more closer

11:41to a nuclear bomb than maybe Saddam was,

11:43but not actually have an arsenal, which

11:45would trigger an attack from the US. But

11:48that Iran has an arsenal that actually

11:51brings the United States into the

11:52picture. The US is not married to the

11:55idea of regime change. That's not a

11:56vital strategic interest for the United

11:58States. But non-prololiferation is

12:01because the United States as global

12:02hegeimon is unchallenged by middle

12:04powers like Iran. Iran can never win a

12:06war against the United States, invade

12:08the United States, strategically defeat

12:10the United States. But if they had a

12:12nuclear bomb theoretically, and then

12:14they miniaturaturized it and put it on

12:16an ICBM, then that could threaten the US

12:18and destabilize the whole order.

12:21>> So, so to put it simply, Israel wants

12:24Iran gone, so Iran gets a nuke. Iran

12:26getting a nuke means the United States

12:28has to make sure they don't have one.

12:30And this is what brings the United

12:31States in to either make a deal like

12:33Obama did or Trump comes in to mow the

12:36grass and suppress this capability by

12:38bombing the nuclear complex and the

12:40missile program.

12:41>> Right. So I guess what's Trump's goal

12:43though specifically? Like what is is he

12:45just trying to survive this thing?

12:46>> I think that Trump is that's that's sort

12:49of the thing and I think I agree with

12:50you on this. Trump is not in control.

12:53>> Yes. The people that are orchestrating

12:55the tempo and the timeline of events are

12:57Israel. They are initiating and Trump is

13:00reacting to the situation. So for Trump,

13:03I think he's got domestic concerns,

13:05international concerns. He sees the Iran

13:07thing flare up. He wants Iran to be

13:09further from a nuclear breakout.

13:11Meaning, you know, cuz people confuse

13:13this like Iran has the schematics, the

13:15knowhow, the blueprints to make a

13:17nuclear centrifuge and a bomb. It's just

13:19a question of what's the timeline

13:21between deciding to make one and having

13:23one. And Trump wants to make that

13:25timeline as long as possible, kicking

13:26the can down the road. Uh but he's being

13:28drawn further and further in by Israel.

13:30I think that's really the program.

13:32>> Yeah. So I would agree. Um so let me

13:36talk about two things. Okay. And uh I

13:38think both points will just butcher your

13:40argument which is that Israel is really

13:42the one that's pushing the agenda and

13:45Trump is because he's transactional

13:48right uh he is not actually in strategic

13:50control of the situation. So the first

13:52idea is uh Nick is completely right

13:55United States is committed to

13:57non-prololiferation in the Middle East.

13:59So if Iran were to develop a nuclear

14:01weapon then the United States has to

14:03intervene. Um, but so if we just take

14:06that as a premise, then what we

14:08appreciate is a lot a lot of Trump's

14:10actions don't actually make any sense

14:12because if you are committed to Iran not

14:16getting a nuclear weapon, first of all,

14:17first of all, you would not withdraw

14:19from the JACPOA because even if Iran was

14:23not um, you know, sincere or genuine in

14:28in in in following the GP GCP OA, there

14:31was an international mandate in place.

14:33you could fool the United Nations uh

14:36apply pressure on Iran.

14:37>> Uh and that would give the United States

14:39more legitimacy, right? So that's the

14:41first thing Trump should not have done.

14:42Withdraw from the GC uh PA. That's the

14:46first thing.

14:46>> Second thing is you would not have

14:49assassinated on the first of the war the

14:52Adatollah Kame because he has been

14:55consistent in all his decades of power.

14:57Iran will not never develop a nuclear

14:59weapon. Um and so when you kill the

15:02alatollah k you're almost uh

15:06incentivizing a new leader his son to um

15:11negate the previous fatwa and allow uh

15:15for the development of nuclear weapon.

15:16Okay. That's something you would not do.

15:18You would not assassinate the alatollah.

15:20Right. Um and the the third thing you

15:23would not do of course is you would not

15:26unilaterally and for no reason attack

15:28Iran. Right. So it's not just

15:30assassinating the Aatollah but there

15:32were six weeks of continuous bombing of

15:36the country and Trump consistently said

15:40that they were intent on regime change.

15:42Right? So it's almost like you're trying

15:44to provoke as much as possible Iran into

15:48getting a nuclear weapon. So that's the

15:49first point I would make. Okay. So I

15:51think there are three major pillars to

15:53the clean memo. The first is to

15:55establish Israel as a regional regional

15:58hedgeimon in the middle east uh through

16:00balance of power. Uh the second is to um

16:05have a clean break from the arsal peace

16:07process. Like let's not negotiate with

16:10the Palestinians because they're

16:12animals, right? They're they're

16:13subhuman. They only understand force,

16:16right? If a dog is mis misbehaving, you

16:18beat the crap out of this dog. So, uh,

16:21let's show that we're stronger than, uh,

16:24the Palestinians. But the third thing

16:26which is really interesting is the clean

16:28break memo also calls for decreasing

16:31Israeli dependence on the United States,

16:34>> right? So, the clean break is just like,

16:37let's just turn away from the current

16:39world order. And then you ask yourself,

16:41this is really odd because in the mid

16:43'9s, basically every policy maker in the

16:45world agreed that neoliberalism is a

16:47solution, the Washington consensus. So

16:49why would you

16:52Israel decide to turn away from

16:54neoliberalism? And the answer, if you

16:56think about it, the only answer is

16:58because of um me messianic Judaism,

17:02because of Zionism, because they believe

17:04that Israel is destined

17:07um to achieve the greater Israel project

17:09and uh and and then usher in the end

17:12times when the Messiah will come and

17:14then God will come and there'll be peace

17:16on earth forever. That's the only way to

17:18appreciate the clean break memo because

17:20it's such a radical departure from

17:22orthodox thinking at that time. I'm not

17:25sure if you agree with my analysis.

17:26>> I yeah, I do agree with that. I would

17:28say I mean clean break, you're 100%

17:30correct. It means a clean break from the

17:32policy of land for peace, which is what

17:34they had been doing with Egypt and

17:35Jordan. In 79, they had Camp David

17:38Accords with Jimmy Carter. And in order

17:39to make peace with Egypt, which was

17:41Israel's permanent enemy from 48 until

17:4479, they had to give up the Sinai

17:46Peninsula. They had to give up control

17:47over Gaza. They were talking about doing

17:50the same thing with Syria by giving up

17:51the Golan. And then ultimately they want

17:54to make peace with all the Arabs by

17:56giving land to the Palestinians going

17:58back to the pre67 borders giving

18:00Palestine a state. And the Lyud party

18:03which became ascendant in the 70s of

18:05which Netanyahu is a part of basically

18:07said 79 Camp David was a disaster. They

18:10said Israel is such a small country.

18:12That's the one thing we don't have

18:13enough of is land. land which has

18:16resources, land which can be um utilized

18:18by the population. They said so instead

18:21we need to break from this policy.

18:23Instead of trading away the Golan, the

18:25West Bank Gaza, they said we actually

18:27have to just confront and destroy all

18:29our enemies in a systematic way. That

18:32was actually prefigured by Od Yanan's

18:34plan for the 1980s. He wrote the grand

18:37strategy for Israel and it goes even

18:38deeper than clean break where they said

18:41what we effectively have to do is rip

18:44apart all the powerful Arab or Muslim

18:46countries with sectarian and other

18:49divisions. So they said we're going to

18:50go into Iraq and make it three countries

18:53Kurdish, Sunni and Shiite and we'll go

18:55into Egypt and it'll make it a Coptic

18:57Christian country and an Arab Muslim

18:58country and go into Syria divide it

19:00between the Alawites, the Sunnis, the

19:02Kurds and the Drews. And they said what

19:04will be left is a mosaic of tribes with

19:07flags, small stateletits, tiny states

19:09that are not big enough to challenge

19:11Israel. And to your point, that makes

19:13Israel a regional hegeimon. That means

19:15they can take everything west of the

19:17Jordan River, take everything south of

19:19the Latani River in Lebanon, have these

19:21natural defensible borders, larger

19:23territory. They don't have this like

19:26Palestinian state in the middle of their

19:28country. And what that fundamentally

19:30allows them to do is one project power

19:32in the region, but two to your point

19:34that gives them maneuverability to go

19:36after the mosque. That's really what

19:38they fear is if Iran and all these other

19:41powerful Muslim countries are standing,

19:44then there would probably be a war with

19:46Israel, might still be when Israel goes

19:48and topples the Alaka mosque. But this

19:50is where I would say it's almost hard to

19:52discern where one argument ends and the

19:54other begins in the sense that [snorts]

19:56for Israel to destroy the mosque, build

20:00the third temple, bring on the end

20:02times, they need full control over the

20:04periphery, they need to be a regional

20:06hegeimon. That also is just a natural

20:09foreign policy that states pursue, I

20:11think, is to try to maximize their

20:13power. This is a realist perspective and

20:15you could say it's aggressive or

20:16expansionist. But this is what Putin is

20:19doing in Ukraine. It's what China aims

20:21to do in Taiwan, which is a power is

20:24going to try to ascend the ladder and

20:26become the dominant force in his region.

20:28So Nick, would you say uh the Greater

20:30Israel Project is

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21:55you say uh the Greater Israel Project is

21:59based in pragmatic reasons and the

22:02esquetology is the fuel to get people

22:04rallied around it? That's really the

22:06central question I think is, you know,

22:08is the greater Israel messianic vision

22:11the rationalization for a real politique

22:14strategy to expand the borders or are

22:16they expanding the borders to realize

22:18the messianic vision? And I think that

22:21both can be true in the sense that

22:23Netanyahu I don't think is a messianic

22:26person. You know, his he doesn't have a

22:28great relationship with Habad Lubovich.

22:30I don't you know he has religious people

22:32in the coalition.

22:34I think he's more driven by grand

22:36strategy. I think though, however, there

22:38are people that are empowering him like

22:41Smootrich and Ben Gvere who are

22:42religious fanatics in his government.

22:44They wear armbands and they speak in

22:46front of lecterns that have the greater

22:48Israel map. They are messianic Jews who

22:50who well not strictly speaking Messianic

22:52Jews like believe in Jesus but they

22:54believe in that messianic prophecy of

22:56building the temple ending the world. So

22:59uh so I think both motivate different

23:01people in Israel.

23:02>> Right. Sorry I have to interrupt because

23:05um Nick made a statement that we we need

23:07to um clarify. You said that Netanyahu

23:11does not have a great relationship with

23:12Habal Lubich.

23:12>> Yes. Um

23:15I from all my research I think Nanyahu

23:18was um basically

23:21um is almost like a um tool of Habat

23:27Luich in order to achieve their meic

23:30prophecy.

23:31>> Um and I I'll go over what what what

23:33I've learned.

23:34>> Okay. Sure. Um

23:36um first of all there's a very strong

23:39connection

23:41um between Nanyahu

23:44the Trump family in the Kusha family

23:46right so Fred Trump and Ben Benjamin

23:49Natanyahu were good friends

23:51>> and the reason why was in the 1980s

23:53Nanyahu was Israel's ambassador to

23:56United Nations

23:57>> so he was in New York and then Fred

23:58Trump of course was a very prominent

24:00real estate developer in New York City

24:03um the Hushan and Nyahu are are very

24:06close. Nyah himself said him himself

24:08said that when he ever comes to United

24:10States, he often stays with the Kushers.

24:11>> Uh in fact uh Jared Kushner said that uh

24:15now and then he will uh give his bedroom

24:18to Nanyahu and he'll go sleep in the

24:19basement. Okay. So uh that's my first um

24:24thing thing I've discovered. There's a

24:25really close relationship between the

24:26Trump family, Nanyahu and the Kusher

24:29family. So, so the idea that Jared Ker

24:32and Trump just met randomly and then got

24:34married, I I don't think holds water. I

24:36think they probably knew each other

24:37since they were were little. The other

24:39thing is um Nanyahu was almost

24:44nurtured and mentored by Rebeersonen who

24:49was the leader of the lit movement for a

24:52long time. So, there are videos on

24:54YouTube where um Benim Nyahu just got

24:59elected to the Knesset and he goes to

25:02the Rebe and and says, "Will you please

25:04support me? Will you please bless me?"

25:07And the Reb says, "Sure." Um and then

25:11there's another video a year later where

25:13Na Yahoo goes to uh the Rebe um and the

25:17Rebe just basically says to him, "Um,

25:19when is Messiah coming?" and Ayahu says

25:23uh he's coming and then we're working on

25:25it and Rabers is like well we have to

25:28hasten the process right so this is the

25:32leader of Habat Luvich

25:35>> directing Nanyahu who has pluggs to

25:39hasten the coming of the Messiah. Uh you

25:42will also find on YouTube a video of uh

25:47Sheldon Aen and Miriam Aden

25:50before their wedding going to the Red

25:53Bay asking for his blessing for their

25:56marriage.

25:57>> And so this is who the ads by the way.

25:59>> The ads are the main financial backers

26:01of both Donald Trump and Benjamin

26:03Nanyahu. Is that is that a fair state?

26:04No. Absolutely. Yeah.

26:05>> Right. So, uh, Shan Alen was the, um,

26:08major financial backer for Trump's 2016

26:11and 2020 presidential campaigns and

26:15>> and they're Zionist,

26:16>> right?

26:17>> Well, they're very Zionist. Yes. Yes.

26:19And Shayon Ellison was also very

26:22prominent backer of Benjamin Netanyahu

26:24because Shannon Ellison is American. He

26:27could not actually um financially

26:28support Netanyahu. But Shayon Ellison

26:32did spend a lot of money to buy up a lot

26:34of um prominent Israeli media and this

26:37and this media that these this media was

26:39very supportive of Nanyahu.

26:42So I see all these connections. So I I

26:45don't understand why Nanyahu um and

26:49Habich are not aligned.

26:51>> I mean they have met obviously Netanyahu

26:54and Rebby Schneersen because they're in

26:56the Jewish community. you know,

26:58Netanyahu is the prime minister of

26:59Israel and so on. But if you actually

27:01know about Habad Lubavage, they say they

27:04don't actually fully support the project

27:06of Israel. They believe that what

27:08precipitates the Messiah coming is not

27:10even necessarily the Jews resettling the

27:13land automatically or even claiming a

27:15country called Israel. They say it's the

27:17conversion of the Jews back to the

27:19religion, back to the law. They say that

27:21what precipitates the Messiah is the

27:23Jews coming back to Torah. And one of

27:25the reasons actually originally Habad

27:27Lubovich was against Israel is because

27:29Israel is like a civic nationalist state

27:31that says we're based on like Jewish

27:33ethnicity and Jewish race and Habad

27:35Lubovich said it should be based on

27:37Torah. It should be based on the law and

27:39on the book and on the religions. That's

27:41why I say it's a little bit contentious

27:43as far as Trump is concerned. I know

27:45that you you have maybe more of um like

27:47a fatalistic view of it that Trump was

27:50designated to be like a Cyrus the Great

27:53type figure in the Jewish esquetology.

27:55He was going to be like a messiah for

27:57the Jews. I think a counter example

28:00against this is that he was not the

28:01favorite of the Zionist lobby when he

28:03ran in 2015. Initially Miriam Mlesson

28:06backed Rubio. M they wanted Ted Cruz and

28:09even after Trump won the nomination and

28:12then won the election in 16 when he lost

28:15power in 2020 the Jewish lobby moved

28:17against Trump and they actually wanted

28:19Dantis to be the guy. Dantis announced

28:22his run in May 23 and just before that

28:24he traveled to Israel to meet with Mary

28:26Madson all the big Jewish donors. He

28:29announced with David Saxs and Elon Musk

28:31on Twitter who were fully behind him. uh

28:34and he was really the pro-Israel choice

28:36for the Republican primary for the 2024

28:39election. And then when Dantis had his

28:41failure to launch, it became clear by

28:43the summer he wasn't going to work out.

28:45Then they all moved behind Nikki Haley

28:47in 2024 and they wanted her in October

28:5123, I would say roughly to about March

28:5324, the Zionists placed their hopes on

28:55her to win. And it was only after she

28:57went to Israel on behalf of Miriam

28:59Madson and endorsed Trump that Trump got

29:02the blessing to get the $und00 million

29:04check for Miriam Madson. So in other

29:05words, he was their last choice. Even in

29:0824 all the way after he ripped up the

29:10nuclear deal, after he moved the

29:12embassy, after he killed Kasamsulammani,

29:14gave Israel to Golan, they still did not

29:17like him more than they like Dantis and

29:19Haley. So that that would be my

29:21counterargument.

29:22>> Right. Okay. Um so uh let me first

29:25respond to how about lubage their um

29:28ideology. So you're absolutely right in

29:30that the end goal is for all Jews to

29:33convert back to the religion

29:36>> and to repent and then this would

29:38actually usher in the end of the world

29:40according to the cabala. So the um the

29:43habit movement are Jews and the basis

29:47for um a lot of the ideology is the

29:50cabal interpret the interpretation of

29:51the intention of God.

29:52>> And so um what what what they believe is

29:56that the world is the way it is because

29:59the Jews have turned away from God and

30:01this is the breaking of the world. So to

30:03repair the world what must happen is all

30:06the Jews because the Jews have the

30:09divine spark of God and uh the Jews must

30:12come together and then these divine

30:15sparks divine sparks of light will then

30:17unify together. Um and this process

30:20happens when Jews repent. Okay. And the

30:23example is the story of King David. So,

30:27King David sinned by uh marrying

30:30Bashibba and killing her husband Uriah

30:33the Hitite. But um God punished

30:38um David by killing his firstborn with

30:42Bashibba. And this caused David to fall

30:45into tremendous grief and beg for um

30:49forgiveness and to repent. And what this

30:52did ultimately was solidify the

30:55relationship between King David and

30:57Yahweh and God because remember in the

30:59Bible, King David is a favorite of God

31:02like more than anyone else more so than

31:04even um uh Moses. So that is what Kabat

31:08Luvich wants to do to force all Jews

31:12around the world to return to Israel and

31:15then to repent. And then then the

31:19question then is how do you do

31:20politically achieve this?

31:22>> Well, you do three things, right? First

31:25of all, you achieve the greater Israel

31:26project because the greater Israel

31:28project is a covenant between um um

31:32Yahweh and Abraham. Uh so they have to

31:34fulfill that. That's the first thing,

31:35the greater Israel project. The second

31:37thing is you need um all Jews to return

31:43to Israel. The entire diaspora has to

31:45converge on Israel. And how do you do

31:47that? Through anti-semitism. Through

31:50conflict uh around the world that forces

31:52Jews to return to Israel to seek for to

31:55seek safety and protection from God.

31:58Okay. The second thing and the third

31:59thing and Nick refers to this a lot is

32:01the building of the third temple because

32:03that's where God lives, right? Right. So

32:05the idea is um and and Judaism is is

32:08different from other religions and

32:10people don't appreciate why so don't

32:13appreciate the subtle difference but

32:15Judaism it's a worldly religion meaning

32:17like if you look at Hinduism and

32:19Christianity and Islam it's about um

32:22when you die you go to heaven right for

32:25the Jews it's about bringing God to

32:27earth right so

32:28>> you're saying they don't believe in

32:29heaven

32:31>> um I actually don't know if they believe

32:33in heaven but like like for them the end

32:35of the world is when God comes to Israel

32:38and lives amongst the Jews and the third

32:41temple is meant to be his home. Right?

32:43So you're right in that Habat Lubich has

32:46this esquetology in place. But if you

32:50look at what they have to achieve in

32:52order to obtain this esquetology, then

32:56it's unfolding before our eyes, right?

32:58We are seeing the greater Israel project

33:00being implemented throughout the Middle

33:02East. Mhm.

33:03>> Uh we are seeing the rise of

33:04anti-semitism throughout the world

33:07>> and we are also seeing um the growing

33:10conflict between uh messianic Jews and

33:13um Muslims in the on the temple mount uh

33:16which may eventually lead to uh the

33:19destruction of the alexic mosque in the

33:21building of the third temple. So all

33:22this is tracking and and I would argue

33:26that it's because Nanyahu is following

33:29very much the Habad Lubich blueprint for

33:33global Jewish redemption.

33:36>> Yeah, I guess I just disagree. I think

33:38that to say Israel is the Habad Lubovich

33:41project to bring about the end times and

33:43Netanyahu is an agent of this. But I

33:45just think it's an oversimplification

33:46because again, Habad has not always even

33:49been in favor of the modern state of

33:51Israel even existing. It's much more

33:53controversial, I think, than you're

33:55making it seem.

33:55>> Jean, what event can you not explain

33:58without that position? Does that make

34:00sense?

34:00>> Yeah. Well, you can't explain the

34:03mosque. Um, you know, so, so I think

34:05what both Nick and I think is going to

34:07happen eventually is the Isaac Mosque

34:08will be destroyed.

34:09>> And where's that at? And that's where

34:12the uh Jewish people believe is the

34:13third temple in Jerusalem. There's

34:15something called a temple mount. And the

34:17temple mount is where they built the

34:20first temple uh the Solomon's temple.

34:23And they built it as the house of God.

34:26Uh because

34:28um the idea again is like um God wants

34:31to live with his people. Like God

34:34doesn't want us to go to heaven to be

34:35with him. God wants us to build a world

34:38in which he can come and and live with

34:40us. And um so that's called Solomon's

34:43temple. Solomon's temple was destroyed

34:45by the Babylonians

34:47and um I can't remember the exact year

34:50but it's around 600 B uh 600 B.CE. uh

34:54and then Sus the great um conquer the

34:57Babylonians and then return the uh

35:02Israelite exiles to the land uh and

35:06sponsor the building of the second

35:07temple but then the Romans destroy the

35:09second temple and um the third temple

35:13has never been been built and it is the

35:16mission of these messianic Jews to build

35:19the third temple because that is the end

35:20of their uh esquetology. So um if you

35:24look at the temple mount where the

35:25temple used to be it's divided into two

35:27parts. The first part is the alias uh

35:31which is considered the third holiest

35:32site in the Islamic world. That is where

35:34Muhammad ascended to heaven.

35:37>> And then you have something called the

35:38dome of the rock. The dome of the rock

35:41is uh where the foundation stone is. Um

35:44and the foundation stone for the um for

35:47the temple. Um so so what Nick and I

35:50believe is there will be a religious uh

35:54fanatical minority who wants to destroy

35:56the dome of the rock and the moss to

35:59build a third temple. If that were to

36:00happen then this would ignite a

36:04religious war the world has never seen

36:07before. Would you agree with that

36:08statement?

36:09>> I think so. Yeah. because then all uh

36:12Islamic people or Muslims would be uh

36:15religiously committed to destroying

36:17Israel and uh restoring the Alex mosque.

36:21>> Right. So you're saying that the main

36:23event that uh only makes sense with

36:26esquetologies has had to do with the

36:28temple and then I asked you to clarify

36:30the Alaka thing. What were you saying

36:32there? I

36:32>> I want to ask Nick this question.

36:35>> Um have you had a chance to walk on

36:37Manhattan yet?

36:38>> Yeah. Oh yeah.

36:40on on a lot of street corners there is a

36:43poster.

36:44>> Yes.

36:45>> The Messiah is coming. Rebear the

36:48Messiah is coming.

36:50>> How do you interpret that?

36:52>> Well, a lot of people believe he's the

36:54Messiah. A lot of Jews because he's the

36:56seventh dynastic leader of the Habadich.

36:59They say yes.

37:00>> Yes. Yes.

37:01>> But you know, so there's no disagreement

37:03that Habad Lubovich wants the Messiah to

37:05come and they're willing it into being.

37:07But I'm just saying that the idea that

37:08Netanyahu is a part of a conspiracy with

37:11Habad Lubovich to bring about this

37:13messianic vision, I think it coincides

37:16with Israel's geopolitical interest,

37:17which is to destroy Iran. And that

37:19that's what I said really is that it's

37:21hard to know where one begins and the

37:23other one ends because to achieve the

37:26messianic prophecy, Israel needs to

37:28achieve its geopolitical goals.

37:30>> And so, but states always pursue their

37:33geopolitical objectives. So the

37:35geopolitical goals have to be met before

37:37they destroy Al Axa and build a third

37:39>> temple for you know what clean break and

37:41the plan for the 1980s is all about is

37:44securing the realm. That's actually what

37:46clean break is called the securing the

37:47realm securing the northern border. And

37:49they say that in order for Israel to be

37:51safe we got to get rid of Hezbollah. How

37:53do we get rid of Hezbollah? We got to

37:55get rid of Saddam who's a ba'ist. We who

37:57launched missiles at Israel. We got to

37:59go after Assad through which Hezbollah

38:01is furnished with support from Iran. And

38:03then we have to go after Iran, which is

38:05inciting this revolutionary Shiite

38:07movement across the Middle East. And

38:09only then can Israel be a regional

38:10hegeimon when they're not encircled by

38:14Hezbollah, Assad, Saddam Hussein, Iran,

38:16the Houthis, uh, which was a later

38:18development. And so for Israel to

38:21eradicate all of its enemies is also

38:22just national security policy.

38:24>> But but then how does destroying the

38:26Isaac Mos strengthen Israel's national

38:29national security?

38:30>> Well, I'm not saying it is. I'm saying

38:31that clear, you know, doing those things

38:33might allow Israel to do that in the

38:35future, but that's not something

38:36Netanyahu has pledged to do,

38:38>> right? But I'm saying like would we

38:40agree right now that there seems to be

38:43like an alliance of sorts

38:45>> and Hab is very much part of this

38:48alliance. So you have um people like

38:50Nanyahu who may not be religious uh but

38:53there are geopolitical opportunists

38:56>> and they want to strengthen uh Israel's

38:58national security

39:00>> but also with this alliance you have a

39:02lubage

39:03>> and they really believe this is the end

39:05times again if you walk around Manhattan

39:07you like look at these street corners

39:10like this guy Rebers is everywhere and

39:12and there's a vocal minority who believe

39:16this guy is Messiah and when the when

39:19the end times come, he will reincarnate

39:21as the Jewish Messiah and he will usher

39:24in the end of the world. And Habalich um

39:28just so that people appreciate this is a

39:31very powerful group of people because

39:33not only only do they have access to

39:34Trump, they also have access to

39:36Zalinski. They also had access they also

39:38have access to um Vladimir Putin. Hav

39:42Malay is also part of this movement. So

39:45uh when Hav J Havier Malay first became

39:47president of Argentina, his first

39:51foreign visit as a head of state was to

39:54the grave of Reberson

39:58uh which is located in Queens, New York.

40:01And also the grave of Reberson

40:05is the most heavily uh visited

40:09Jewish holy site outside of Israel.

40:12>> Really?

40:13>> Yeah. So um I um I think Habaluage uh

40:18fact is a major factor in geopolitics

40:21because I think they're much more

40:22influential than people will appreciate.

40:24>> I agree they're more influential. I just

40:25I think you're maybe overstating the

40:27case that they're driving all these

40:28events because you're right. I mean they

40:30are the nexus between Russia, the US,

40:32Israel. There is a uh there is a nexus

40:36point represented there. But you know

40:38another one of their prophecies for

40:39example they think that Jews have to get

40:42to every corner of the globe before the

40:43end times can come is one of the

40:47>> I actually didn't know that. Yeah. Could

40:48could you explain that

40:49>> they believe that Jews have to be in

40:51every part of the world. There has to be

40:52Jewish settlements in every literally

40:54every country in every part of the world

40:56before the end times can happen. That's

40:57one of the things that has to happen

40:59before the prophecy can be fulfilled.

41:01>> And and is is that not already happening

41:03because Zionism is Yeah. And they are

41:06trying to settle everywhere. Argentina,

41:07Australia, Cyprus, Greece.

41:10>> Um I mean um I mean a friend even told

41:14me there are Zionists in Costa Rica and

41:17the locals are pissed because they're

41:18buying up a lot of land. Um so it seems

41:23to me the world is moving in a way that

41:28conforms to the esquetology of Habadich.

41:32>> Yeah. I think they're just a little more

41:33idiosyncratic

41:34than that. I think that uh you can't you

41:37can't say that every revisionist Zionist

41:40or maximalist pro-Israel person is

41:42necessarily a tool of Habad Lubovich.

41:44They're they're one faction that sits

41:47among world jewelry. Uh but I don't

41:49think they're driving everything.

41:51>> Right. So uh another data point that I

41:54will bring up is um ever since the death

41:57of Rebes and he died 1994. Okay. There's

42:01been a massive outreach program. So, uh,

42:03Hab Lubich is responsible for the

42:06Birthright Israel program,

42:08>> right? Uh, do you know about Birthright

42:10Israel?

42:10>> Yeah.

42:10>> Right. Um, also, uh, Hab Luvich has has

42:14um built uh, campus programs around the

42:18United States. So, at Harvard, there's

42:19something called Harvard Habad. The

42:21faculty advisor to Harvard Habad is Alan

42:24Duritz. And the three most prominent

42:27members of Harvard Habad are Jared

42:31Kushner, Natalie Portman, and uh Mark.

42:36Then at Yale Law School, they also built

42:39a chapter called Saptai Society. Um

42:42[snorts] and Corey Booker um was one of

42:46the founders of Y Septai Society and

42:49their members include um Vivic

42:51Ramaswami,

42:53Albridge

42:55Kobe who is now number two at the

42:57Pentagon uh behind Hexf. Um you also

43:00have Michael Nolles.

43:03Um these are very powerful people. So I

43:06mean

43:08and they're all affiliated in some way

43:10with Havalich.

43:11>> I just think it's a logical error. It's

43:12like when people used to say the World

43:14Economic Forum was controlling

43:15everything. And you say what is the

43:17World Economic Forum? It's a forum for

43:19all the world's prominent business and

43:21political leaders that then meet in

43:22Davos. And so would you say the seed of

43:24the power is in the forum is in the

43:27actual the Claus Schwabr run super

43:29national group or would you say the

43:30power lies in the individuals that then

43:32coales like so for example you know many

43:36of the people you mentioned I don't know

43:37that they are like lurionic cobalists I

43:40don't think that Mar necessarily

43:41subscribes to that your point about

43:44Habad Lubovich one of the primary

43:46activities they do is just educating

43:48Jews about their own religion and

43:50because they take that role that just

43:52happens to be the forum where Jews get

43:54together and fraternize and organize and

43:56socialize. I don't think it necessarily

43:58means there really the answer is it's

44:00world jewelry. That's the term that I

44:01prefer cuz Lubovich is only just one

44:04dynasty among others within the hidic

44:06faction.

44:07>> Absolutely. Yes. Um you're absolutely

44:09right. So how about Lubich only has

44:11about 100,000 members

44:13uh around the world. Okay. That's not

44:15that many people. And uh Nick is right

44:18in that Judaism there are lots of family

44:20dynasties. the S dynasty is one um um

44:24dynasty. Um but at the same time, what I

44:28will say is of all these um different

44:31Jewish groups and there's lots of them,

44:33okay? Uh and there's lots of

44:34disagreements and often they really hate

44:36each other. [snorts] Um the habit people

44:41are often the most messianic, the most

44:43fanatical. Would you agree?

44:45>> Yeah, I agree with that. M

44:46>> so there are three things that they do

44:49that have allowed them to basically grow

44:52at an exponential scale these past few

44:55decades. Um the first thing that they do

44:58is they pull their resources. Uh meaning

45:02if if you just take the average Habat

45:04Lubich member he's actually pretty poor

45:07because he's spending all his time

45:08studying Torah. Uh he's not actually

45:10going and making money.

45:11>> Um but what they do is they pull their

45:13resources together. And so if you go to

45:16Brooklyn, a lot of real estate in

45:17Brooklyn is controlled by Haval Liberage

45:19because they've been there since 1945.

45:21Um and they've been constantly pulling

45:23money and investing in real estate. Um

45:26that's number one. Number two is they

45:29ostracize themselves from from from um

45:32other groups. So they actually refuse to

45:35send their kids to public schools. They

45:37have their own school school system as

45:39as Nink said. um they will not um uh

45:44their kids will not play with kids from

45:46other groups. Um so they ostracize

45:49themselves. And the third thing that

45:51they do is um they have a lot of

45:53children,

45:54>> right? They breed a lot. Um and then the

45:57question then is what's the energy that

46:01drives them, right? Well, how is it that

46:04they're able to live in poverty and have

46:06a lot of children and just isolate

46:08themselves from the larger American

46:10community? And I think it's just their

46:12messianic cabalism. Um, and so even

46:16though they are in fact minority and

46:19they're just a fringe group, they are

46:21also extremely energetic. So, so much so

46:25that they're willing to trade everything

46:28in order to achieve their esquetology.

46:30So you're absolutely right in that Nyahu

46:32is is he's a politician. All he wants is

46:34more power. Jared Kushner is a real

46:36estate developer. All he wants is more

46:37money. But if a group is coming to you

46:40and saying, you know what, we don't want

46:42the power. We want the money. We just

46:43want you to help us achieve a certain

46:46esquetology, just one thing in this

46:50grand script of us of ours.

46:53>> Well, they'll probably say yes. And

46:55they'll probably u be able to achieve

46:57through esquetology. It's not just again

46:58this is not just Netanyahu it's also

47:01Donald Trump it's also Vladimir Putin

47:04it's also [snorts] Zilinski Har Malay

47:07it's a lot of people who have who are in

47:09positions of power and influence

47:11>> my counterargument to that would be take

47:13somebody like Larry Ellison for example

47:15he's one of the richest guys in the

47:16world founder of Oracle deep connections

47:18with Trump because he donated I think 60

47:20million to his campaign in 24 Larry

47:23Ellison's an atheist but he is an ethnic

47:25Jew and he is one of the biggest

47:27supporters supporters of Israel that

47:28exist. The I think uh Jerusalem Post or

47:30Times of Israel just did their top 50

47:32most influential Jews list today and

47:35Ellison's I think in the top five. He's

47:37one of the biggest private donors to the

47:39IDF. He got Netanyahu a lawyer to defend

47:42him against the corruption charges in

47:44Israel. He took over Tik Tok and is

47:46putting together this media company with

47:48his son and Barry Weiss that's going to

47:50take over CBS News and CNN. The reason

47:53that he supports Netanyahu and Israel

47:55and the IDF and Trump and all this, it's

47:57not because he's a messianic kabad

47:59Lubovich cabalist. It's because he's a

48:01Jew and he sees Israel as the last safe

48:05place for Jews. There is this, as you

48:07know, and I think you're right about

48:08this. Anti-semitism actually plays this

48:11like dialectical role in the Jewish

48:13prophecy. But somebody like a Netanyahu

48:16or somebody like a Larry Ellison, they

48:18don't necessarily need to be consciously

48:20motivated by a messianic religious

48:22disposition to serve it. They have their

48:25own practical considerations. And so

48:27that's why I just think it's

48:28>> So So what do you think Ellison's

48:30practical considerations are? Just the

48:32only safe place for Jews? Is that really

48:34an acceptable answer compared to like a

48:36religious esquetology?

48:37>> Yes. I think that because he's an

48:38atheist, so he doesn't believe in God

48:40and I don't think he believes in the end

48:41times. I think that he identifies as a

48:44Jew and I I think and I think you've

48:45made this point. You're 100% right. A

48:48lot of Jews in America grow up in this

48:49millu of like a kind of chauvinism.

48:52There's this idea like we're we just do

48:54things a little better. You know, we're

48:55a little smarter. We educate our kids.

48:57We don't act like the goyam. We don't

48:58act like the Gentiles. And this comes

49:00from their theology which says that the

49:02goyam the gentiles are idoltors and they

49:04don't obey the law and so on. Um and so

49:07someone like

49:07>> I've never said that by the way.

49:09>> You haven't said I've never said that.

49:10Uh I think you said something about the

49:11millu in which they g like you said

49:13Markx grew up as an aristocrat in a

49:16millu of his ancestors rabbis and that's

49:19speaks to the Jewish character of

49:20dialectical materialism. You said that

49:23>> I I've said that Carl Marx um he has se

49:26several generations of rabbis in in his

49:28lineage and rabbis are essentially um

49:31Jewish aristocrats. Um, so he grew up in

49:34a very intellectual tradition and he was

49:36probably influenced by the Cabala. Um,

49:39but that's the extent of of

49:40>> what I'm saying. Yeah. In principle,

49:42what I'm saying is you understand the

49:44weight of Jewish custom even if an

49:48individual doesn't subscribe to it. Like

49:50let's say a Larry Ellison, he's an

49:51atheist, but the cultural millu he grew

49:54up and is informed by 3,000 years of

49:56Jewish history and it shapes those

49:58attitudes. So why are some of the for

50:00example someone like Epstein Epstein

50:02says these um kind of like contemptuous

50:05remarks about Gentiles he says like are

50:07there going to be goyam at this party or

50:09something like that Epstein's probably

50:10like an atheist but he grows up in a

50:13Jewish community going to maybe a Jewish

50:15daycare these sorts of things where

50:17those attitudes are there because of

50:18thousands of years of this insular

50:21in-group preference tribalism among this

50:23people and anyway so point is with

50:25someone like Larry Ellison I think he's

50:27a Jewish chauvin

50:29I think he's somebody that looks at

50:30Israel and there's this identity where

50:32he says, "Oh, they're an upstart nation

50:35like me. They're entrepreneurial.

50:37They're go-getters. They take

50:38initiative. There's this ethnic pride."

50:40He identifies with Israel as an ethnic

50:42Jew. And two, I think all Jews have this

50:45alienation, especially the ones that

50:47live in the diaspora, from the host

50:49country. And so, they do feel like this

50:52is not really their home. For them, home

50:54is always going to be Israel. And that's

50:56why Israel has to be empowered because

50:58in the end if anti-semitism gets bad in

51:00America or Russia or wherever that's the

51:04only place you're going to be safe. So

51:05there there's something deep-seated

51:06there as well.

51:07>> All right. So uh let me respond to this.

51:10Um I don't think Larry Ellison first and

51:13foremost thinks like a Jewish person. I

51:17think he first and foremost thinks like

51:19a capitalist, a transnational

51:20capitalist. So for him it's just like

51:23where do I who do I work with and what

51:25do I do in order to generate the um

51:28greatest return on investment and he's

51:32very supportive of Israel uh because

51:35Israeli interests align with his own

51:39business interests. So a lot of

51:40technology comes from Israel. Uh Israel

51:44is one of the uh leaders in um new

51:49technological development. uh there's a

51:51lot of capital flowing into Israel and

51:53out out of Israel. So, and so it's not

51:55just Larry Ellison who's aligned with uh

51:58Israel. You also have other capitalists

51:59like Peter Theo uh who is not a a Jew

52:03Jewish person also align with with

52:06Israel. So, um just to say that it's

52:09just Jews who support Israel, I think is

52:11incorrect. I think there are a coalition

52:13of interests that see a benefit in

52:15supporting Israel including uh

52:18technologists

52:19um like Larry Ellison and Peter Theo

52:21including uh financial interests uh

52:24because Israel is a very good place to

52:27uh invest. You also have Christian

52:29Zionist people like Sean Hannity and

52:31John

52:32>> who are even probably even more

52:35fanatical than most Jews in the United

52:38States. So I think it's a very broad

52:40coalition. Uh so that's my first point.

52:43My second point is within this broad

52:45coalition if you just look at history

52:49often um how this coalition basically

52:53moves is it's driven by a vector and

52:55this vector is the most fanatical

52:58members of this group.

53:00>> So everyone in this coalition is willing

53:02to move in this direction because it

53:04benefits everyone in this coalition. But

53:07where it moves is driven by the most

53:09energetic, most fanatical people. And

53:11what I'm saying is within this broad

53:12coalition, there's a very broad

53:14coalition of people. Um, Habad Lubich is

53:17the most fanatical. And so, it's really

53:19important for us to study their

53:21esquetology in order to figure out where

53:24Israel might might move. So, I don't I

53:28do predictive history. I'm I'm trying to

53:30figure out what drives human events,

53:33what drives history. Um, so I'm trying

53:36to create a framework. In my analysis,

53:38in all my research, I think that Habat

53:39Louage has a lot more weight. It's much

53:42more influential that people give them

53:44credit for. And that's my central

53:45argument.

53:45>> Yeah. I guess my disagreement is I I

53:47think you're just overindexing on their

53:49influence. And and that's why I say

53:50someone like a Larry Ellison or Trump.

53:52These are central figures driving the

53:54events in Israel and they're not

53:55motivated by these mess, you know,

53:57whether it's a Jew or a Gentile, they're

53:59not motivated by the messianic beliefs.

54:01Professor, would you say that

54:03shared ethnicity or shared religion in

54:06esquetology are more able to help you

54:10predict I guess uh how people in power

54:14behave. Um so I sort of discount

54:19religious identity or uh racial identity

54:22in my analysis and the reason why is

54:26families are much more likely to fight

54:28amongst each like within like so um

54:32people who are more similar aligned are

54:34much more likely to fight than u people

54:37who who are not. So the differences

54:40within groups are much greater than

54:43differences outside of groups. And

54:45that's something that I've learned in

54:46life uh by the set of by the set of

54:49history. So just to say that you know

54:52these Jews are all Jews and therefore

54:54they have a similar interest doesn't

54:56really hold water because if you

54:58actually look at Jews [snorts]

55:00they argue all the time. Have you been

55:02to Israel?

55:03>> No.

55:03>> Okay. I've been to Israel.

55:04>> I don't want to get killed over.

55:05>> No. No. Okay. I I mean I I went to

55:07Israel in um 2012 for a week. Um, and

55:14the the first thing that you uh realize

55:18when you get to Israel is

55:21Israelis

55:22argue all the time. They have no reason

55:26to argue and they will argue. Like you

55:28go to a store, a coffee house, and he's

55:31like, "I want to buy a cappuccino." And

55:34the guy will be like, "Why do you want

55:35to buy a cappuccino?" Like, "Oo, is that

55:38good enough for you?" It's the silliest

55:40thing in in the world. And like if you

55:42just look at the political system, it is

55:43the most dysfunctional political system

55:45in the whole world. I mean um it's

55:49amazing that you're able to to cobble

55:51together a government because you have

55:53like a whole range of political parties

55:56and these political parties just fights

55:58fight amongst themselves. um you know

56:00there's a civil war brewing brewing

56:02right now uh in Israel and in fact if

56:05Hamas did not actually launch their

56:07flood if October 7 did not happen then

56:10there might have been a civil war in

56:12Israel right so so that event basically

56:14saved Nanyahu from a political calamity

56:18so um I don't think that it's you can

56:22just say it's just the Jews or um or or

56:26or any just one group because again the

56:30differences in conflicts within groups

56:31is so much greater than the conflicts

56:33outside of groups and between groups.

56:35>> Do you agree with that segment?

56:36>> I think that's maybe our biggest

56:37disagreement is I think that um and and

56:40maybe let me get some clarity on this

56:41because you say so

56:43>> the project of greater Israel is being

56:45driven by the let's say the most

56:48spirited or energetic group which is

56:50Habad Lubovich and they're motiv by

56:52messianism and you say their messianism

56:54comes from their interpretation of

56:56Cabala. Now, do you believe that Cabala

56:58is a fundamentally Jewish phenomenon or

57:01do you think it's more gnostic or

57:02esoteric?

57:03>> Okay. So, so let me clarify what I mean.

57:06Okay. So, all that's happening in the

57:08Middle East cannot be driven by one

57:10person or one group.

57:12>> There has to be a broad coalition of of

57:14interests.

57:15>> So, greater Israel benefits a broad

57:18coalition of interests. Um, it benefits

57:20capitalists, financiers, it benefits uh

57:22technologists, it benefits um Christian

57:25Zionism, it benefits a American

57:27interests, it benefits a lot of people.

57:30>> Um so um a lot of these things are

57:33happening because there's a broad

57:35coalition in in in place. But within

57:38this broad coalition, you also need uh

57:41people to push events along,

57:43>> right? And when they push events along,

57:45then other people can sit back and and

57:47benefit. So Habat Luvich is the one

57:50pushing events along, but it doesn't

57:51necessarily mean that they're in charge.

57:54It also does not mean they will get

57:56their way because it's entirely possible

57:57that the other groups at the end at

58:00maybe get together and says these guys

58:02are crazy so let's just like you know um

58:05betray them or or you know change

58:07direction like let's not blow up the

58:08eyes like a moss

58:09>> right

58:09>> right let's not do that cuz that's just

58:12it benefits no one right

58:13>> right so I think the the mosque is the

58:16big lmus test as to like who's really in

58:18control if they blow up the Alex mosque

58:20we can both agree that these religious

58:22fanatics are in charge Yes, totally.

58:24>> Um, and if they don't blow up the mosque

58:27and they just achieve the greater Israel

58:28project, then that then that aligns with

58:30a lot of geopolitical um geopolitical

58:34interests. So, so that's my that that's

58:35that's why I believe.

58:36>> Okay. But in terms of Cabala, do you

58:38think Cabala is because it's based on

58:40the Tanya, at least in Habad Lubovich,

58:42which is not the Torah. It's not the

58:44written or oral Torah. It's a mystical

58:45book. Do you believe that Cabala is

58:48Jewish? Or do you what do you think is a

58:49relation between Judaism and Cababala?

58:51[gasps]

58:52>> Okay. So here you and I will disagree.

58:54All right. But I believe that what

58:57happened um is like throughout humanity

59:01there has always been a mystical

59:02tradition with all within all major

59:04religions. So within Christianity

59:06there's Nazism within Islam there's

59:09suism. Um, and the idea, um, is most

59:15people just see the material world, but

59:17these occultists, these mystics

59:19appreciate that the world is pure energy

59:22and pure consciousness. And um, I don't

59:26I I don't get too esoteric, but they

59:28believe that um, God is part of us and

59:31we're part of God. Okay. So, and the

59:33Cabala, what's what the Cabala is doing

59:36is trying to bring this mystical

59:37tradition into the um Jewish tradition

59:42because what separates the Jewish

59:43tradition from previous other traditions

59:45is they have a Bible. They have a

59:47written history of of their relationship

59:50with with God. And so, they're trying to

59:52use use this mystical understanding of

59:54the universe, this hermeticism to

59:58explain the stories of the Bible. And

1:00:00and this is what creates the the Cabala.

1:00:03I think the Cabala um is a very

1:00:07convoluted

1:00:09uh philosophy. And I think you it will

1:00:11be impossible to find two uh Jewish

1:00:14cabalas who agree on the meaning of of

1:00:16the Cabala. It is impossible.

1:00:18>> Right. I agree. Because I guess what I'm

1:00:20I'm wondering is if you're placing so

1:00:24much because you said people are

1:00:26underestimating let's say or

1:00:27understating the influence of Habad

1:00:29Lubovich and that's a cobalistic

1:00:31movement then you're saying it's sort of

1:00:33like an esoteric splinter within the

1:00:35Jewish community that is really

1:00:37exttrinsic to Judaism driving this right

1:00:40if you think it's not Jewish in

1:00:41character

1:00:42>> there are a lot of Jews out there who

1:00:44think the Habad Lewis movement is heresy

1:00:47>> okay and you could also make the

1:00:49argument It's not hocic. It's not based

1:00:51on

1:00:51>> because most Jews in the world uh who

1:00:53are religious believe that you cannot

1:00:56force the hand of God. That is heresy.

1:00:59That is pure evil. They [snorts] think

1:01:01that Habalat is forcing the hand of God.

1:01:03And that's why they're promoting the

1:01:04greater Israel project. That's why they

1:01:06are trying to uh usher in the end times

1:01:09and build the third temple. So Habalich

1:01:12is a very French movement. And I I would

1:01:14also point out that even with Hab

1:01:17Lubich, uh most people don't even know

1:01:19what's going on, right? I mean, most

1:01:21people just go to Habat Lu schools and

1:01:22they learn to be good people and they

1:01:24learn the importance of the Torah and

1:01:26that's it. They don't really appreciate

1:01:28the grand scheme at work. It's only a

1:01:31few people that really um have a sense

1:01:35of of where this movement is is going.

1:01:38And these people were prog.

1:01:42So what's really important for for

1:01:43people to appreciate is Rabies Ner was

1:01:46the seventh and final rebalich.

1:01:49Okay. So in other words they see Rabies

1:01:52Narsen as the messiah who reincarnated

1:01:55at the end of times and so um the kabat

1:02:00it's basically run by committee of

1:02:01rabbis who are students of his and so

1:02:04who are trying to implement this

1:02:05esquetology in order to bring back their

1:02:08the the teacher. And [snorts]

1:02:10um if you look at Habat Louage and again

1:02:13I don't know it that well. I've never

1:02:16really studied them that deeply. You

1:02:18probably know more than I do. But I

1:02:20would say there's also a element of 17

1:02:23frankism within Habal Liberovich

1:02:26and that's and and 17 frankism for for

1:02:29people who don't know is considered the

1:02:31greatest heresy

1:02:32>> in the Jewish tradition.

1:02:35>> U it's considered the great betrayal or

1:02:37the great heresy.

1:02:38>> Right. What exactly are Frankists?

1:02:41>> Well, what can I just ask one question?

1:02:42Cuz I'm a little bit curious. So, you

1:02:44also believe in the Kazerian hypothesis.

1:02:46Is that right?

1:02:48>> Um, I've discussed it. Yes.

1:02:50>> Then do you believe that's the Do you In

1:02:52other words, do you believe that the

1:02:53Ashkanazi Jews are the same people as

1:02:55the people to book in the Bible?

1:02:57>> Okay. So, I'll tell you what I believe.

1:02:59>> Okay.

1:02:59>> All right. I believe

1:03:02that the Jewish tradition is not

1:03:06consistent. The Israelites were pol

1:03:10polytheistic people.

1:03:12>> Um, and the Jewish tradition started

1:03:16really at the time of Cyrus the Great.

1:03:18>> And if you just like uh compare these

1:03:21traditions, Judaism after the second

1:03:24temple

1:03:25>> and then the first temple, these are two

1:03:27radically different traditions. Okay. So

1:03:28the first the Israelite tradition uh and

1:03:31there's a lot of scholarship on this. It

1:03:32was probably polytheistic with a

1:03:35pantheon of gods. um and it was a much

1:03:39more open and tolerant religion. And in

1:03:41Judaism um because uh of its

1:03:44relationship with the Persian Empire um

1:03:47it became much more closed and and

1:03:50insular.

1:03:51>> Also what we need to recognize is the

1:03:55people in the religion are going to

1:03:58shift over time, right? So what happened

1:04:01was after the Babylonians destroyed the

1:04:03first temple, they took hostage a lot of

1:04:06the um Israelite elite, but most of the

1:04:10Israelites stayed in um the area, the

1:04:15Levant, and basically adapted their

1:04:19religion

1:04:20uh to local practices. And there was a

1:04:23um a synratism

1:04:26process, a syncratic process where

1:04:29religious naturally melted together.

1:04:31Okay? And this is just a natural thing

1:04:32that happens. The example is English,

1:04:35right? If you bring in people who speak

1:04:36different accents of of English, they

1:04:38will eventually merge um and create a a

1:04:41new variant of of of English.

1:04:43>> Um so this is syncretic process and this

1:04:46is a very natural natural thing. The

1:04:48idea that

1:04:51uh the people in Israel today can trace

1:04:53their DNA back to the Israelites, I

1:04:55think it's is absurd. I think the idea

1:04:57that the Bible was consistent for 3,000

1:05:00years is also absurd.

1:05:02>> So uh now let's get to the Casseran uh

1:05:04hypo hypothesis. And I'm getting most of

1:05:07my understanding um from a book book

1:05:09called the 13th tribe by author Kesler.

1:05:12And in it he argues that what happened

1:05:14around the year 1100 is in the Middle

1:05:19East in the Orient there are there are

1:05:22like three major powers. There's a

1:05:24blessing empire which is Christian.

1:05:26[snorts] Then you have the Islamic

1:05:28caliphate based in Baghdad. But then you

1:05:30have a third center of power called

1:05:32Kazeria which is in modern Ukraine. And

1:05:35what happened was that um Kazeria it was

1:05:39a third son of power. So it didn't want

1:05:41to become Christian or Muslim. It wanted

1:05:45its own identity. Mhm.

1:05:47>> And so um there were a lot of um Jewish

1:05:50traders

1:05:52um in Kazeria and um the elite

1:05:57became interested in Judaism and

1:05:59eventually there was a mass conversion

1:06:01of the elite to Judaism

1:06:05um as a sort of like a new identity um

1:06:09that was different from the Christian

1:06:12and the Islamic tradition. And also they

1:06:14thought that well Judaism is the first

1:06:18religion right and from Judaism you had

1:06:20Christianity and then Islam. So uh they

1:06:24masscon convert to to Judaism. And I

1:06:27think this is historical fact. It makes

1:06:29perfect sense. There's a lot of

1:06:30documentation and author Kesler who by

1:06:32the way is a Jew.

1:06:33>> Yeah. Hungarian Jew.

1:06:34>> Oh and also by the way a Zionist Jew.

1:06:36Okay. Um he was the one who convinced me

1:06:39in his book the fifth 13th tribe all of

1:06:41this argument. And what happened uh was

1:06:44that Kazera was eventually conquered by

1:06:46the Mongols which forced a mass a mass

1:06:49migration of uh Kazerian Jews into

1:06:52Eastern Europe which then merge with

1:06:56Spartic Jews who came in from Spain. Um

1:06:59and so there's a synretism go going on,

1:07:02>> right? I think it's important

1:07:05that you both just define this clearly

1:07:07and such a dumb question, but like Nick,

1:07:10what exactly is a Jew or what exactly is

1:07:12a Jewish person? And then, Professor

1:07:14Jang, what exactly is a Jewish person to

1:07:16you? Well, see that's really the

1:07:17question and that's why I wanted to ask

1:07:19some of these questions about how you

1:07:21regard the Israelis because what it

1:07:23sounds like is you think that Cababalism

1:07:26and Habad Lubovich are informed by the

1:07:29Sabati Zevi Sabatian Frankists which are

1:07:32sort of like gnostic Satanist

1:07:34anti-nomian. They believe in

1:07:35transgressing the law in order to

1:07:37achieve holiness. That's really the

1:07:39basis of it. And you think the Ashkanazi

1:07:42Jews aren't even really Jews. you think

1:07:44they're descended from Turk people uh

1:07:46from Kazeria and and that's really my

1:07:48central disagreement is I think that the

1:07:50Jews are the people of the book. I think

1:07:52that it is the same religion. I think

1:07:53they are the people of the Middle East.

1:07:55And I I think it is fundamentally about

1:07:57Jews. I don't think it's about this

1:07:59mystical other stuff. I think it's about

1:08:01them. And that's why I say somebody like

1:08:03Ellison, maybe this is the source of

1:08:05that disagreement. He is an ethnic Jew.

1:08:08I think he's the same Jew, same

1:08:10ethnicity as the people 2,000 years ago

1:08:12in the Middle East when the second

1:08:14temple was destroyed. And I think that

1:08:16his chauvinistic attitude towards

1:08:17Gentiles, it doesn't come from Sabatis

1:08:20or Jacob Frank. It doesn't come from

1:08:21Kabala. It comes from the Torah because

1:08:23the Torah says idolattors have to die.

1:08:26The Torah says you have to spit when you

1:08:28pass a grave of an idoltor. And they

1:08:30view Christians as idoltors very much

1:08:33like Muslims because the Jews believe

1:08:36that Yahweh is their God. They believe

1:08:38that Yahweh is the only God and the

1:08:40insinuation that there's a trinity of a

1:08:42Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ. They see

1:08:44that Jesus is an idol, as a human idol

1:08:46and that's why they sentence him to

1:08:47death and that's why he was crucified.

1:08:49And so I guess maybe the difference is I

1:08:51I view the clash of civilizations and

1:08:53the tension in history as between

1:08:56Christians and Jews fundamentally Jesus

1:08:58Christ and the Jews. Whereas I think you

1:09:01see it as a little bit more complex and

1:09:03about maybe these mystical traditions

1:09:05which don't have as much to do with the

1:09:08the tribe of the Jews.

1:09:09>> Nick, can you define though like what is

1:09:11a Jew? Is it someone who's ethnically

1:09:13Jewish and religious Jewish? Like

1:09:14>> it's an ethnicity and Judaism is a

1:09:17religion. So a Jew is someone that

1:09:19descends from the tribe of Judah in the

1:09:21Old Testament. And that's why you can

1:09:24find it in a genetic test, you know, and

1:09:26theoretically they say you can convert

1:09:28to Judaism, but Jew, a lot of Jews don't

1:09:30believe that. A lot of Jews only believe

1:09:31you can be Jewish if you're born to a

1:09:33Jewish mother, not even a Jewish father.

1:09:35They say you're not Jewish if you

1:09:36weren't born a Jewish dad.

1:09:37>> And do you think Zionism and Judaism are

1:09:39the same thing?

1:09:40>> Zionism is sort of the logical necessary

1:09:43endpoint of Judaism because what what

1:09:45you have and and to your point, you said

1:09:47Judaism is a worldly religion.

1:09:49Christianity, which is why the Jews

1:09:51rejected Christ, says there's a

1:09:53spiritual kingdom. And so we say on some

1:09:55level, we don't really care what happens

1:09:57in the Holy Land because the kingdom of

1:09:58God is within and Christ brings a

1:10:01spiritual kingdom. Muslims believe

1:10:03anyone can become a Muslim and and they

1:10:05do have the Kaba and they have Mecca and

1:10:07you have to go there into a real place,

1:10:09but they do have more of a universal

1:10:11spiritual religion. Judaism is based in

1:10:14the temple in the land. That is the only

1:10:16way you can practice the religion is

1:10:18God's people in the land that God gave

1:10:20them in the temple where God dwells

1:10:22where God gave them the schematics to

1:10:24build it. This particular lineage was

1:10:26given the responsibility to build it and

1:10:30um so that's what makes it fundamentally

1:10:32different than everybody else.

1:10:35>> Would you agree with his definition?

1:10:37>> I would not I would not at all agree

1:10:38with his definition. So throughout

1:10:42history there have been there have been

1:10:43different terms. Okay. You have the term

1:10:45Hebrew, then you have the term

1:10:47Israelite,

1:10:49then you have the term Jew,

1:10:52um now you have the term Israeli. Okay?

1:10:54And these are all very different terms.

1:10:57Uh Hebrew just refers to aic people um

1:11:01that Abraham who was considered like the

1:11:04grandpatriarch of the Israelite people

1:11:06belong to. The term is Israelite uh

1:11:09refers to um the people um in the

1:11:14kingdom of Israel um under the

1:11:16leadership of King David and they

1:11:18descend from Jacob um who is the um

1:11:22grandson of Abraham. uh Jew was first

1:11:26used, the term Jew was first used um in

1:11:30the second temple period um when the

1:11:32Persians repatriated the exiles, the the

1:11:38Israelite exiles back into the Levant.

1:11:41Um and Israeli is a term we use for

1:11:46people, the citizens of Israel, which

1:11:48was founded in 1948. And these are four

1:11:52um very different terms. And so um if

1:11:55you ask me what is a Jew, I would just

1:11:57say well a Jewish is someone who

1:11:59believes he or she is Jewish. A Jew

1:12:03belongs to a community of of believers.

1:12:06So to understand my point,

1:12:09let me um use a thought experiment.

1:12:12Okay, let's just say for whatever reason

1:12:15um over the next 20 years, most of

1:12:18humanity is wiped out. Our entire

1:12:19civilization has collapsed. a thousand

1:12:21years later, um, humanity is now

1:12:24rebuilding itself and you've got, um, a

1:12:27new society and for whatever reason,

1:12:29they do archae archaeology and they dig

1:12:31up the Bible. Okay? And the Bible talks

1:12:34about Jews and they're like, "Oh, this

1:12:35is interesting. Let's be Jews. Let's

1:12:37call ourselves Jews. Are they Jews?"

1:12:39They're not at all genetically Jews,

1:12:41okay? Because most of humanity has been

1:12:42wiped out. They might even been Chinese.

1:12:44But because they read a book and they

1:12:46like the book and they think that wow um

1:12:48this is a very these are very

1:12:49interesting ideas and they adopt the

1:12:51monarch Jew. Would they be Jewish? And

1:12:54the answer is of course they'd be Jewish

1:12:56because everyone recognizes um them as

1:12:58Jewish. If you call yourself um Jewish

1:13:00then then then others accept that as as

1:13:03a convention. Professor Jeang

1:13:06who actually runs the world and how does

1:13:08power actually work? Okay. Well this is

1:13:11what I think. Okay. I think we live in a

1:13:15unique time in human history. Um, our

1:13:18accomplishments are just amazing.

1:13:22We are able to sit in a room, record our

1:13:24conversation and broadcast it to um,

1:13:27possibly millions of people from all

1:13:29around the world. Um, we can translate

1:13:32our conversation in like many different

1:13:33languages. Uh, to get here, we all came

1:13:36from like three different places. And so

1:13:39the level of our technological

1:13:41sophistication, it is just uh amazing.

1:13:45But um how we got here there is a story.

1:13:49Um it has to do with the idea of money.

1:13:52Okay. So we are really the first

1:13:54civilization and probably will probably

1:13:56be the last civilization to structure

1:13:59our entire lives around the idea of

1:14:00money.

1:14:01>> Right? 1694

1:14:03is really the beginning of a modern era

1:14:05because that is when the Bank of England

1:14:07is chartered. The Bank of England it is

1:14:10a um really strange idea which is the

1:14:14Bank of England will be will be um

1:14:18controlled by private interest. Okay, if

1:14:19you have money, you can put your money

1:14:21in the Bank of England, but

1:14:24this money will be guaranteed by the

1:14:28people of England. Right? Before uh

1:14:30you're a merchant and you want to grow

1:14:32your money, you had to lend your money

1:14:33to a king to fight his wars. And you

1:14:37know, the the king could die, the king

1:14:38could lose the war, the king could reite

1:14:40on his contract. There was a lot of risk

1:14:42involved. But the novelty of this is if

1:14:46you lend your money to a nation state,

1:14:50then you would always be guaranteed to

1:14:53be paid back as long as the nation state

1:14:55was still standing. And the bank and

1:14:57England was protected by the Royal Navy.

1:14:59It was an island. And so it's basically

1:15:01unconquerable. Okay. So, uh the Bank of

1:15:04England is basically private interests.

1:15:07Okay. Uh that put their money in the

1:15:10bank, but they're guaranteed by

1:15:12Parliament. you're lending money to

1:15:13parliament. And this is important

1:15:15because Bank of England becomes the

1:15:16model for the Federal Reserve, right?

1:15:19So, so Americans don't appreciate this,

1:15:20but the Federal Reserve is a private

1:15:24banking cartel. The US government

1:15:27controlled by people have absolutely no

1:15:29power to print money. It's a bank of

1:15:32it's the Federal Reserve that print that

1:15:33prints money. The US government has the

1:15:35right to borrow from the Federal

1:15:39Reserve. Okay? And [snorts] so this

1:15:42eventually leads to to the rise of of an

1:15:44idea called transnational capital. Okay,

1:15:47transnational capital. And now that you

1:15:50have transational capital in place, you

1:15:52need you need a religion in order to

1:15:56um promote this idea. And this religion

1:15:58is called Freemasonry. Okay. What is

1:16:00Freemasonry? Freemasonry

1:16:03believes

1:16:05that God is reason.

1:16:08Right? So God is pure reason. And not

1:16:13only that, but reason and emotion are

1:16:17separate. And this is actually a unique

1:16:19idea in human history because you look

1:16:22at all different um philosophies or

1:16:26religious traditions, spiritual

1:16:27traditions before um the enlightenment,

1:16:31they believe that reason was emotion,

1:16:33the mind was the heart. I and so why did

1:16:37the Freemasons believe that reason and

1:16:39emotion were in conflict? The reason why

1:16:42is for them reason is capital and

1:16:46emotion is prejudice. It is family. It

1:16:50is tradition. So whatever prevents the

1:16:52free flow of capital around the world is

1:16:56fundamentally wrong. Whatever promotes

1:16:59the free flow of capital around the

1:17:00world is good. Okay. So this idea

1:17:07that um reason is what should govern the

1:17:12world and that reason is God becomes the

1:17:15basis for capitalism in the modern world

1:17:17that we live in today. Okay? And it

1:17:21creates all sorts of innovation. So um

1:17:24let me explain what innovation is

1:17:26because people uh don't really

1:17:28appreciate it. But what innovation

1:17:30really is and think about it like like

1:17:33why do we have the internet? Why do we

1:17:34have satellites? Why do we have AI?

1:17:37Because innovation

1:17:40um is driven by

1:17:43um three things. Okay. The first thing

1:17:45is population growth. The second thing

1:17:48is specialization. So an area in an area

1:17:52specializes and the third thing is

1:17:53globalization.

1:17:55Does that make sense?

1:17:56>> Yeah.

1:17:56>> Right. And this is why we have 8 billion

1:17:58people and that's why there's so much

1:18:00free trade because um this is what

1:18:03allows for maximum innovation and this

1:18:05is what allows for uh maximum um

1:18:08economic growth. Okay. So um this is a

1:18:14big story of how money was created

1:18:18accidentally as an idea and how this

1:18:20idea of transnational capital now

1:18:22controls the world.

1:18:23>> Okay. But now that you have this maloo,

1:18:27this new um environment, the question

1:18:30then is okay, of all these different

1:18:33human groups in existence, who wields

1:18:37the most power or who is able to obtain

1:18:39the most power? The answer is secret

1:18:41societies.

1:18:43Okay, why? Because if you are if you are

1:18:49um live in a world of transational

1:18:50capital, you have to solve three

1:18:52problems. Okay, the first problem is

1:18:54information. Second problem is

1:18:56infiltration. The third problem is

1:18:58coordination. What I mean by that is if

1:19:01you're if you're an investor,

1:19:03if you try to play play the stock

1:19:04market, you'll probably get killed. So,

1:19:06you want to rig the stock market. And

1:19:08how do you rig the stock market? Well,

1:19:10you have spies in different

1:19:12bureaucracies feeding you information

1:19:15and then you coordinate with these spies

1:19:17in order to influence events. Okay? And

1:19:18a classic example is um the Roth Shaw

1:19:21family, right? Right. The Rossaw family

1:19:24um sent agents and family members all

1:19:27around Europe and um

1:19:31in the battle of Wateroo 1815

1:19:34they were the first to hear that

1:19:38Napoleon had been defeated. Okay. So

1:19:40what happened was they had an agent at

1:19:42the battle.

1:19:43The agent saw what happened and then the

1:19:45agent got into Corvette which is a fast

1:19:47ship, sailed across channel and told the

1:19:49Rothschild family, we won the we we won

1:19:51the battle. Okay. But then there were

1:19:54rumors that England had lost to Napoleon

1:19:58which caused a frenzy and and the frosts

1:20:00were able to buy up bonds really

1:20:02cheaply. Okay. And this happens all the

1:20:05time because these secret societies are

1:20:08able to uh infiltrate and they are able

1:20:12to coordinate,

1:20:13>> right?

1:20:13>> Okay. And that's what that's what

1:20:14controls the world. And so these

1:20:16societies include the Freemasons, they

1:20:20also include the Jesuits, they also

1:20:21include

1:20:23um you know Jewish groups. So to say um

1:20:29there are these Jewish singidists and

1:20:31Frankus and they're really in charge

1:20:33that is true to an extent. I think it's

1:20:35just better to say that we live in a

1:20:36world of transational capital. Okay. And

1:20:38and the world is governed by

1:20:40transational capital and secret

1:20:42societies are that are best able to

1:20:45conspire together will

1:20:49uh make more money than than other

1:20:51groups. And that's what's really driving

1:20:52the the uh the world today. Nick, I'm

1:20:55sure you have a lot to say about that,

1:20:56but

1:20:58do you think secret societies run the

1:21:01world in in 60 seconds? How do you see

1:21:05that? How do you see that?

1:21:07>> I was like 20 minutes.

1:21:08>> Um,

1:21:09>> I think yours will be a much simpler

1:21:10explanation.

1:21:11>> 20 minutes. Um, no. I I don't believe in

1:21:13the secret society thing. I don't

1:21:15believe in the Mason or Jesuit

1:21:17conspiracy or the Illuminati.

1:21:19>> Do you think Masons have any influence?

1:21:20>> Not anymore. No. I think at one time

1:21:22they did, but I mean, you look at the

1:21:23Freemason chapters today and it's a

1:21:25bunch of old hillbillies. I mean, that's

1:21:27what it is. I mean, you go to these like

1:21:29mid and small midsize and small towns in

1:21:31America and people's dads are in

1:21:33Freemason lodges and they're doing the

1:21:34rituals and which is all based on King

1:21:37Solomon's temple. But no, I I don't

1:21:39think that has any currency anymore. And

1:21:40you know, the Rothschilds, what you kind

1:21:42of left out there is it's a Jewish

1:21:43family. And the superpower that they had

1:21:46is they trusted each other and they were

1:21:48able to send all their people out to all

1:21:50the different cities in Europe. And it

1:21:52was it was the transnational nature of

1:21:54the Jewish diaspora which is what

1:21:56allowed them to do that to have a

1:21:58representative in every capital loyal to

1:22:01their own tribe not the country they

1:22:02resided in. So

1:22:04>> So you don't believe there's any secret

1:22:06societies that have influence on the

1:22:07world?

1:22:07>> I don't think so. I think that to the

1:22:09extent that there is secrecy, it's

1:22:11intelligence agencies. It's states, it's

1:22:13the Russian state, it's the American

1:22:15state, the British state, the Israeli

1:22:17state. To the extent that there is

1:22:19secrecy, it's the intelligence agencies.

1:22:21How the rest of the power is structured,

1:22:23I think, is the nation states. I mean, I

1:22:24I really believe it's it's the sort of

1:22:26AAM's razor who is able to command large

1:22:29amounts of people to kill and be killed

1:22:31and marshall capital and direct

1:22:33long-term projects. It's governments.

1:22:34It's states. Um, and having been up

1:22:38close and personal to people in like the

1:22:40Trump administration, for example,

1:22:42Lindsey Graham said this before he died,

1:22:43and I know he's like the arch neocon,

1:22:45but he said, you get in the Senate and

1:22:48you sort of say, uh, who's in charge

1:22:50here? How does this all work? And the

1:22:52realization is no one's in charge. It's

1:22:55all factions. It's factions on the

1:22:57highest level internationally, and then

1:22:59it's factions within the nation. So, for

1:23:02example, in America, it's the big

1:23:03political parties. it's the big

1:23:05companies and these big uh lowkey of

1:23:07power like big tech or Wall Street or

1:23:09whatever. And so I think it's it's not

1:23:12as uh sexy or or um secretive as people

1:23:16like to think it is. And u that would be

1:23:18my interpretation of it. And and I

1:23:20didn't say that it's um just Jewish

1:23:21secret societies. I just think that

1:23:23[snorts]

1:23:24what what Jewry is is it is a nation

1:23:28without a state. It's a nation without

1:23:30borders. And people realize there's

1:23:32others that exist like the Kurds.

1:23:35They're a nation without borders.

1:23:36They're they're a nation without a

1:23:38state, a stateless people. But the

1:23:40difference is that Jews have been this

1:23:41way for 2,000 years. They're in the most

1:23:43powerful countries like Russia, the

1:23:45Western capitals, America. And they have

1:23:48been resistant to any kind of

1:23:50assimilation for thousands of years. And

1:23:52it's almost built into their religion.

1:23:54and it's built into the Torah to resist

1:23:56assimilation through intermarriage or

1:23:59cultural assimilation. And I think

1:24:01that's what makes them a super powerful

1:24:03force. It's that you can have the Jews

1:24:06in England, the Jews in France, the Jews

1:24:08in America, the Jews in Israel

1:24:10coordinating, operating as something

1:24:13like a secret society, maybe less with

1:24:15secrecy, more with coordination and

1:24:16resistance to infiltration. And that's

1:24:18what gives them power over the rest of

1:24:20us that are not really playing the same

1:24:22kind of team sport that they are. And I

1:24:24do think that, you know, I think they're

1:24:25not Kazerians and I don't think they're

1:24:27um gnostic mystics. I think they're

1:24:29ethnically Jews and I think they

1:24:31practice the Jewish religion. Um so let

1:24:34me explain. Um so so your point of the

1:24:37Rothschilds, they're Jewish, right?

1:24:39Well, um they're also Stephanie Frankus.

1:24:43>> No.

1:24:43>> Yes, they are. Stephanie Frankus. Yes,

1:24:45they are.

1:24:45>> What's the evidence for this?

1:24:46>> Okay. All right. Um also you talk about

1:24:50>> what's the evidence for that? Um, so I I

1:24:53don't have the evidence at the top of my

1:24:54head, but

1:24:55>> it's not real

1:24:57that the Sabati Zeve and Jacob Frank

1:24:59were were marginal in Eastern Europe.

1:25:03>> No, no. Zevy and Jacob Frank were

1:25:05definitely not marginal figures.

1:25:07>> They were.

1:25:07>> So um, Zevi declared himself the Messiah

1:25:11in 1666.

1:25:12>> Mhm.

1:25:13>> And at that time at least a third of all

1:25:17Jews followed him. Okay. So a third of

1:25:20the entire Jewish diaspora thought this

1:25:22guy Zevi was the Messiah. Jacob Frank

1:25:25was not a marginal figure at all. Uh

1:25:28Jacob Frank um had uh followers in the

1:25:33European nobility

1:25:35um and among some of the most prominent

1:25:38um banking families.

1:25:40>> There's no evidence for that. It's not

1:25:41real.

1:25:42>> It it's called Wikipedia like like just

1:25:44go just Google Frank Wikipedia. It it

1:25:48tells you that

1:25:49>> like who who who's following Jacob

1:25:51Frank?

1:25:51>> You're saying the evidence for the

1:25:53Rothschilds being Frankst specifically?

1:25:55>> Yeah. Well, that and and the rest of it.

1:25:57I mean, I I think that this is like a

1:25:59popular

1:25:59>> Can you check that? C. Can you just see

1:26:01like if there's any evidence that the

1:26:02Rothschilds are Frankest?

1:26:04>> It's a popular conspiracy theory.

1:26:06>> There's no evidence for that.

1:26:07>> So, I mean, first of all, the seven

1:26:09Frankers were really powerful people um

1:26:12at that time. Um that's number one.

1:26:15Number two is you say that the Jewish

1:26:17diaspora was a transnational

1:26:19organization. True, but so were the

1:26:21Jesuits and so were the Freemasons.

1:26:23>> And you can argue the Jesuits and the

1:26:25Freemasons were much more impactful in

1:26:27European history than the um the um than

1:26:31the Jews. If you read Albert Pike's book

1:26:34morals and dogma um

1:26:37I mean there are Freemasons who believe

1:26:40that they are the ones who who spawn the

1:26:42French Revolution.

1:26:44Um

1:26:45>> yeah and but where are they today?

1:26:48>> Well I mean what often happens is these

1:26:52um societies they splinter off and

1:26:54become new um groups maybe sworn bones

1:26:58maybe nights templars. So I don't know

1:27:00enough about suicides to say like where

1:27:04they are who they are but but what I

1:27:06will say is

1:27:07>> but we could say who the Jews are today

1:27:09right Larry Ellison Netanyahu Jared

1:27:11Kushner but you can't name what's one

1:27:13prominent Freemason

1:27:14>> throughout history the Jews have always

1:27:17been the scapegoats in European history

1:27:19okay so so so so let me explain um my

1:27:24understanding okay and we can argue

1:27:26about this

1:27:27>> but when the Catholic church um became

1:27:30the dominant power in Europe. Uh the

1:27:34European nobility had a problem. The

1:27:36problem um was usery because at that

1:27:40time for very good reasons uh religious

1:27:43authorities outlaw usery. But at the

1:27:46same time usery was the most profitable

1:27:49activity you could ever engage in. All

1:27:51right. So what happened was the European

1:27:54nobility basically got the Jews

1:27:58to engage in usery

1:28:01um and um be the scapegoat. Not only

1:28:05that but because the Jews want to

1:28:08maintain their identity and they want to

1:28:10stay in Europe, they bas basically

1:28:12became the slaves and servants to eur

1:28:14European nobility because that's who pro

1:28:16provided them protection. the Catholic

1:28:18Church itself wanted the Jews around as

1:28:22the other. Okay. So, Augustine um in his

1:28:24writings talks about this how you know

1:28:26we need to set an example to good

1:28:30Christian people as to what will happen

1:28:32to them if they stray away. And the

1:28:34answer is they become like the Jews. The

1:28:36Jews live in ghettos. They're

1:28:37persecuted. They are uh ignored. Okay.

1:28:41So it served the purpose of both the

1:28:43European nobility and for the Catholic

1:28:45Church to have the Jews as scapegoats in

1:28:49society. [snorts] Um and things worked

1:28:52out well until you have disasters like

1:28:54like the black plague. Um in which case

1:28:57the Jews get blamed. So the Jews have

1:29:01were constructed

1:29:02as a uh almost like a um escape valve

1:29:06for the powers that be. And I think this

1:29:09is this is something that still actually

1:29:10continues today where it's so easy for

1:29:13the powers that be to blame the Jews for

1:29:16everything.

1:29:16>> H

1:29:16>> okay and then you ask yourself well why

1:29:19do the Jews actually put up with this

1:29:21right and the answer is they did most

1:29:23Jews actually converted in this in this

1:29:25time they converted to Christianity uh

1:29:27most of the early followers of Jesus

1:29:30were in fact Jews

1:29:31>> well yeah Jesus was a Jew

1:29:33>> Jew was a Jew. [laughter] Yes. Okay.

1:29:34Christianity was founded as a Jewish uh

1:29:37sect. Um Islam mo a lot of Jews

1:29:41converted to Islam. Most uh a lot of

1:29:44Muhammad's followers were Jews. Uh they

1:29:47were called the companions. Okay. So but

1:29:50there were certain groups of Jews who

1:29:53stayed loyal to the religion. They were

1:29:55the most fanatical. Why? Because in

1:29:57Judaism it's it's lineage. So the rabbis

1:30:00are in charge and they pass it on to

1:30:02their children. So it's in the best

1:30:04interest to actually work with the

1:30:06Europe European nobility and work with

1:30:08the Catholic Church um in order to

1:30:11maintain the power. Okay. and and um and

1:30:16there were a lot of reformers sat in

1:30:18Frank for example Sab Zevi who thought

1:30:23that the entire Jewish tradition was

1:30:25corrupt because it was really about

1:30:27exploiting the majority of Jews in order

1:30:30to support a nobility uh that was

1:30:33corrupt and um depraved and these and

1:30:36and and and these are called the rabbis.

1:30:38And so Sabatian and frankism was almost

1:30:41like not just a heresy but also a relig

1:30:43also revolution in Jewish Jewish

1:30:46history. And that's why sabling frankism

1:30:48is so often ignored um by mainstream uh

1:30:52Jewish thinkers.

1:30:55>> Yeah. I just think that this is all an

1:30:57attempt to exonerate organized jewelry.

1:31:00I think that and you know for example

1:31:01you brought up Kesler writing 13th

1:31:03tribe. Kesler said to a French biologist

1:31:06about the Kazerian hypothesis that

1:31:09Ashkanazi Jews are not the Jews of the

1:31:11Bible. They're from the Kazerian Empire

1:31:13from the the nomadic Turk tribes in the

1:31:15step. Kesler who wrote the theory

1:31:18popularized in the 1970s he said to a

1:31:20French biologist if I can convince

1:31:22people that the Jews descend from

1:31:24Kazerians and not the people of the

1:31:26Middle East. He said I can eliminate the

1:31:28racial basis for anti-semitism. And he

1:31:31actually wrote in the forward of his

1:31:32book, he said that if we can prove that

1:31:35this is the case, he said then we will

1:31:37prove that anti-semitism is effectively

1:31:39a hoax that people are blaming this

1:31:41group that isn't even really the people

1:31:43from the Middle East. And he said this,

1:31:44like you said, as a Zionist Hungarian

1:31:46Jew. So, you know, in effect, what does

1:31:48the Kazerian hypothesis do? It said,

1:31:51don't blame this group of people.

1:31:53They're not really Jews. So, they're not

1:31:55responsible for the coin clipping and

1:31:57the well poisoning and the uh

1:31:59sacrificing Christian children and all

1:32:00the things they're accused of doing in

1:32:02the Middle Ages in Europe um and the

1:32:05things that are even in their book in

1:32:06the Talmud. So, no, I mean I I I believe

1:32:08that Jews are real. They descend from

1:32:10the Middle East. They practice a Jewish

1:32:12religion. And I think that it's become

1:32:14very popular. People like Canis Owens

1:32:16and Tucker and I've heard you say it.

1:32:18The Sabati Frank theory, Sabatian uh

1:32:22Frankists, Sabati Savvy and Jacob Frank,

1:32:25the Kazerian hypothesis, all this other

1:32:28stuff is an attempt to basically deflect

1:32:30from the fact that there is a Jewish

1:32:32issue in the world. And you know, it

1:32:34sounds terrible to say that. I'm a

1:32:37Christian. We believe that Jews are a

1:32:38witness to the crucifixion of Christ. or

1:32:40witness population. So, Catholics

1:32:42believe it's actually the church's job

1:32:44to protect them and make sure they

1:32:45continue to exist. However, when they

1:32:49exist in America and Europe and they

1:32:50work corporately together and they work

1:32:52in their own best interest and not in

1:32:54the interest of the country they reside

1:32:56in, that's when it becomes a problem and

1:32:58it becomes an issue of sovereignty and

1:32:59that's where you need to say people like

1:33:01Larry Ellison shouldn't have power in a

1:33:03country like America.

1:33:03>> So, so you think Jewish supremacy is a

1:33:05source of all problems in America?

1:33:07>> No, I didn't say that.

1:33:08>> Okay. Jake, if you could just say like

1:33:11what do you think Nick misunderstands

1:33:13about Jewish influence on the world and

1:33:16Israel's influence on the world and then

1:33:18we should probably move on from the

1:33:20>> Yeah, I mean we can just do a very

1:33:22simple thought experiment. Okay, let's

1:33:24just give um the Infinity Gauntlet to

1:33:27Nick. Okay, you're now Thanos and with a

1:33:29snap of your finger, you can just say I

1:33:31will eliminate this group and then all

1:33:33the world's problems will be solved.

1:33:35Okay. You can pick one group and I can

1:33:37pick pick another group and we can

1:33:39figure out um using a thought experiment

1:33:42what the impact on the world will be.

1:33:44>> Mhm.

1:33:44>> Right. So So which group would you pick?

1:33:46>> Uh criminals.

1:33:47>> Criminals. Okay. Well, I would pick baby

1:33:51boomers.

1:33:53>> Now,

1:33:53>> and you think that would get rid of all

1:33:54the world's problems?

1:33:55>> I I mean I think that'd be much more

1:33:56effective than getting rid of criminals.

1:33:58>> But we have a problem of evil. That's

1:34:00the problem is evil uh in the world.

1:34:03>> You said so. So you're saying that

1:34:05criminals are much worse than than Jews?

1:34:07>> Than baby boomers and Jews. Yes.

1:34:09>> Okay. So I think baby boomers are much

1:34:11worse than than criminals and and and

1:34:13Jews. Yes, I do.

1:34:13>> But see, I don't I don't ever like this

1:34:15thought experiment because it's sort of

1:34:17just it belies the structural problem

1:34:20which is that a group that is not loyal

1:34:22to the country they reside in should not

1:34:25have power. And I would say the same

1:34:26about any other group. You know the

1:34:29these are a group of people like someone

1:34:30like Ben Shapiro. He's not loyal to

1:34:32America. He doesn't care about what's

1:34:33good for America. If America became bad

1:34:36for Jews, he would go somewhere else. If

1:34:38America stopped supporting Israel, he

1:34:40would stop supporting America. Someone

1:34:42like that should not influence the

1:34:44hearts and minds of millions of people.

1:34:45And and to me, it's really that simple.

1:34:46It's not about, you know, aren't they

1:34:48responsible for all the problems if we

1:34:50got rid of them with the, you know,

1:34:51there are a lot of good Jews. Like some

1:34:53of my best friends are Jews. I say this

1:34:54all the time. I don't want to get rid of

1:34:56them. It's just that we need to

1:34:58recognize the role of government, which

1:34:59is to look after its own people. and and

1:35:01Jews always have existed corporately,

1:35:04separately, in their own insular tribe.

1:35:07And as long as that's the case, I don't

1:35:08think there should be this uh

1:35:09integration necessarily.

1:35:11>> Do you think baby boomers are a problem?

1:35:13>> Um, no. I don't I don't think baby

1:35:15boomers have agency. They're just people

1:35:17that were born in a particular uh two

1:35:19decades.

1:35:20>> The baby boomers have all the power and

1:35:22the money and the status in United

1:35:23States right now.

1:35:25>> No, but not really though. I mean, how

1:35:27about someone like Elon Musk? He's not a

1:35:29baby boomer. Okay. So, uh let me make my

1:35:33argument. Okay. You you you can respond.

1:35:35Okay. So, um in 1960s and 70s, uh

1:35:38there's a scientist named James B.

1:35:40Calhoun.

1:35:41>> Mhm.

1:35:42>> And he ran something called a rat utopia

1:35:45experiment. So, he just wanted to know

1:35:47um if we were to live in a world of

1:35:49abundance, what would that mean for

1:35:51humanity? So what he did was he took a

1:35:54room like just as big as as this room

1:35:56and he created a rat colony and he made

1:35:59sure this rat colony was a paradise. So

1:36:02basically you were protected from

1:36:03predators, there were no hawks, there

1:36:04were no animals that would prey on you.

1:36:08Um

1:36:09there was free water, free food,

1:36:13and you could you could do whatever you

1:36:15want. It was it was basically a common

1:36:17society. Okay, it was like communism for

1:36:19rats and no matter and he spent 20 years

1:36:22doing these experiments and he had many

1:36:24different iterations but no matter what

1:36:26he did all it every time he did he ran

1:36:31this experiment it only ended in the

1:36:33genocide of the rats. The moral of the

1:36:35story is more than water, more than

1:36:38food, more than shelter,

1:36:40we strive for status, right? We want to

1:36:44be looked upon, looked up upon by our

1:36:46our peers. And so it doesn't matter if

1:36:50you're poor, but if you believe there

1:36:52social mobility in society, you will

1:36:54work hard and you'll be energetic and

1:36:56you you will be a productive member of

1:36:58society. But if there's a ceiling and

1:37:03there's no mobility at all, then um

1:37:06young people, especially young men,

1:37:09might start engaging in degenerate

1:37:11behavior. And I would say um radutopia

1:37:16helps explain a lot of what's going on

1:37:19in American society today. You have the

1:37:20baby boomers in charge. They are not

1:37:23retiring. They have all the money,

1:37:26power, and status in society. You've got

1:37:29a senator, a US senator, Chuck Grassley,

1:37:33who is

1:37:3694 years old and he is still in the

1:37:40Senate and he's in fourth in line to be

1:37:44president of the United States. If

1:37:45Donald Trump dies, JD Vance takes over.

1:37:47If JD Vance dies, Mike Johnson takes

1:37:49over. If Mike Johnson dies, Chuck

1:37:51Graasley, who again is 94 years old, he

1:37:55would become president of the United

1:37:57States.

1:37:58And you've got another guy, Mitch

1:38:00McConnell, and no one no one's really

1:38:02sure if he's dead or alive.

1:38:03>> Sort of in the middle. Yeah.

1:38:05>> Right. And so the question is, why is it

1:38:08these people are still around? Why

1:38:13aren't they retired and given room for a

1:38:16new generation of leaders to rise up?

1:38:19Um, we've been ruled by Boomers

1:38:23for decades now. Do you go to US

1:38:25University? Do you know what the average

1:38:27age of a university dean is right now?

1:38:30>> It's like 75 years old. This is the

1:38:31average age. So these are professors who

1:38:34are not retiring.

1:38:36And not only are they not retiring, but

1:38:38they're basically double dipping, right?

1:38:39So they're professors and they become

1:38:41university administrators. So they

1:38:42collect not only their pension, but also

1:38:45a salary as well. And meanwhile, the

1:38:48vast majority of professors at a

1:38:52university are adjunct, meaning meaning

1:38:54they make less than minimum wage. Sorry

1:38:57to cut you off, Jung. Uh, just Nick, do

1:38:59you see the gerontocracy, the baby

1:39:02boomers, as a major issue?

1:39:04>> I think they're over hated. I like the

1:39:06baby boomers because I think a lot of

1:39:08people don't realize the baby boomers

1:39:10are an extremely conservative force that

1:39:12once they're gone, America is going to

1:39:14go in a very different direction.

1:39:15Because what a lot of people don't

1:39:16realize is that's the base of the

1:39:18Republican party. And as much as I have

1:39:20my disagreements with the GOP, I want

1:39:22the GOP to be fundamentally destroyed

1:39:24and changed. If it's not the GOP, it's

1:39:28going to be the radical left. And I know

1:39:30that, you know, for a time we thought we

1:39:32had moved past that. But you look at

1:39:34this next generation, the Zoomers, what

1:39:36percentage of them are socialists? What

1:39:37percentage of them identify as far-left

1:39:39or moderately left? It's like 60 to 70%.

1:39:42It's a lot of them. And so I think that

1:39:45boomers die off. This becomes a much

1:39:47more progressive country. It becomes a

1:39:49much more diverse country. Um, and you

1:39:52know, let's not forget baby boomers

1:39:54remember what the world was like before

1:39:55all of the technology. These are people

1:39:57that still know how to fix things. These

1:39:59are people that still have a little bit

1:40:00of wherewithal, last generation to be

1:40:02drafted. Um, so I think they're a little

1:40:05bit over hated because you could say

1:40:07it's baby boomers that are the elites

1:40:08like a Chug Grassly and baby boomers

1:40:11have a larger share of the wealth. Uh,

1:40:13but by the same token, a lot of baby

1:40:14boomers are just people living on their

1:40:16social security on a fixed income. Uh,

1:40:19you know, trying to get by. So I I don't

1:40:21I don't think we can blame an entire

1:40:23generation for the problems of the

1:40:24country. I think you have to narrow the

1:40:26focus a little bit because you you are

1:40:27right. I mean, and you even see this in

1:40:29a microcosm in politics. It's these baby

1:40:31boomers lording over their fftoms.

1:40:34Little nonprofits, little political

1:40:36groups. Don't want to train up or give

1:40:39opportunity for the next generation. I

1:40:41certainly get the frustration, but it's

1:40:42just painting with too broad of a brush.

1:40:44I think a lot of baby boomers are good

1:40:46people. Nick, when you went on Tucker

1:40:48Carlson's show last year, uh, he said

1:40:52something along the lines of, "I was

1:40:54totally convinced you were a fed." And

1:40:55you told him, quote, "I thought you were

1:40:57a fed." Mhm.

1:40:58>> And since then, everyone online in

1:41:00podcasting particularly calls each other

1:41:03a fed. But I'll start with you, Nick. Do

1:41:06you think Professor Jang is just a high

1:41:08school teacher?

1:41:10Um, well, I don't know. And and here's

1:41:12the thing. I I don't like to engage in

1:41:16that kind of speculation because I think

1:41:18the ideas stand on their merits. What

1:41:21matters is a message, not the messenger.

1:41:23And um you know sometimes it can become

1:41:25relevant a person's associations or you

1:41:28know if there's things that appear

1:41:29contradictory or something but generally

1:41:32speaking you know whether whatever I

1:41:34believe about him or he believes about

1:41:36me what we talked about today is the

1:41:37ideas and the ideas live and die by