Çilingir Sofrası 24 / İsmail Emre (devam) (with english subtitles)

0:00Çilingir Sofrası 24 / Ismail Emre (continued) ***Translated by Prof.Dr.Nükhet Kardam***

0:02‘Give it to those who drink from the bottle of the mouth’

0:04What does this mean?

0:06Give it to those who ask for it.

0:10Don't spill it on the floor, give it to those who request it

0:16Give it to those who are ready, who can understand

0:19Give it to those who want it.

0:22You say, they want more and more

0:25Don’t fear, it is endless, it can’t be depleted

0:29It is both endless and it is like honey

0:36Prophet Muhammed said that he had a dream

0:41in which an angel brought a tray

0:44and offered him three things:

0:48honey,

0:50wine,

0:52and

0:54milk

0:56He took the milk for his people

1:01He was asked why he chose milk.

1:04Milk is our first food after we are born.

1:09Milk is Shariat.

1:13Milk is Shariat.

1:17It is raw,

1:18Milk is raw.

1:20depending on the yeast that is added

1:23It may turn into yogurt or cheese

1:29There are a thousand different varieties of cheese and different yeasts

1:33So if milk is ‘Shariat’,

1:36‘Tarikat’ is the stage when the yeast is added and then there is a waiting period.

1:38In other words, learning the way and its rules

1:42It is a process of learning and research and from all of this,

1:45‘Hakikat’ (Truth) emerges.

1:48We had talked about this before, but it is always good to underline it

1:52Sinan: Right, Allah likes repetition

1:58So, let’s say that we added the yeast to the milk and it turned into yogurt.

2:00We take the yogurt and put it in a barrel and swing it back and forth

2:08We start the zikr: Allah, Allah, Allah

2:12It is separated ‘Hakikat’ (Truth) appears and that is,

2:15butter.

2:18So we found ‘Hakikat’ (Truth), then what?

2:24We need ‘Marifet’ (Wisdom)!

2:25What are we going to do with this butter?

2:27Shall we make baklava or pilav with the butter and offer it to friends?

2:30Sinan: It is needed everywhere

2:31Show your ‘Marifet’ (Wisdom).

2:32One reaches ‘Hakikat’ (Truth) for the sake of “Marifet’ (Wisdom) ,

2:35otherwise what is the point of ‘Hakikat’ (Truth)?

2:38For example, water, is it real water or not?

2:40You bring it to the lab and find out if it is real or not, this is "Tarikat"

2:43Once you have found out that it is real, what are you going to do with it?

2:47Are you going to make wine or coffee?

2:49Are you going to make soup or take a bath in it!

2:51Sinan: It is your prerogative

2:52Show your ‘Marifet’.

2:54A person is not responsible for the Hakikat he or she finds

2:58But is responsible for his/her Marifet’.

3:01This means there is a Shariat associated with Marifet

3:04Shariat here means law, rules, respecting others’ rights

3:09Someone who usurps others’ rights cannot be a person of Marifet (Wisdom)

3:17Shariat is a word that people shun

3:19Here we are referring to Shariat’s classical meaning

3:24We are concerned with the values mentioned in the classical teachings

3:30Sinan: Shariat means rules doesn’t it?

3:32Yes, divine rules

3:34Serhan: It means respecting and protecting human rights, doesn’t it?

3:38Yes, that’s it.

3:39Serhan: In our time, it became a word that people avoid

3:44Yes, that’s what has happened in our time

3:49"Reciting Ismail Emre’s poem about the nature of Sohbet:"

3:51‘Its place is in the heart and its door is the ear,

3:53It is a centuries old path’

3:56We are referring here to all spiritual traditions

4:03We hope to explore the path of wisdom in India soon

4:08Right?

4:09We will see that the same ‘sohbets’ took place there as well

4:12Then we will go to Hermes,

4:14Egypt and to Greece

4:18We will see that sohbets take place there as well

4:20The path to wisdom is thousands of years old

4:24Thousands of years and yet, the distance is just between the ear and the mouth

4:37‘The Word goes in through the ear and out from the mouth,

4:41It is colored by divine light’

4:43That divine light is the light of wisdom, the light of understanding and it never fades

4:52‘Outside of it looks like an open rose, in love with the tongue that speaks’

5:00One yearns to hear those sohbets

5:04Those who like wine might say let’s go to a wine bar

5:09Just like that those who love sohbets yearn to hear more

5:14They are enthused about hearing sohbets And sohbets result in ‘meşk’.

5:20A little while ago, we did ‘meşk’ with music

5:24And aşk (love) emerged from it

5:27‘The brain space is so vast, all of cosmos is present in it’

5:29Everything emerges from the brain.

5:32The cosmos is here,

5:34that is the Ark of the Covenant

5:36Sinan: They are still looking for it!

5:41Now, there is no such thing as knowledge of death

5:46Sinan: Amazing

5:47‘It is all about cognizance if you could just hear the news’

5:52Serhan: This is so impressive

5:55‘so that He can watch Himself

6:00Emre, the face of the human being has become Hicaz’

6:04Now, why do we go to Hicaz?

6:09To visit Bayt Allah (Kaaba).

6:13Is Bayt Allah made up of stone walls?

6:15Can a person make a house (Kaaba) for Allah with his/her own hands?

6:21Of course not, so this is a symbol, a sign

6:26What does it show?

6:28The Reality

6:29Allah builds His house with His own hands

6:33Allah builds a house with His own hands, which is right here: that is our brain

6:39All the cosmos is downloaded here

6:42It is all here

6:52He said: I didn’t fit anywhere but I fit there

6:55That’s His house

6:57This house has different faces.

7:01They say that the Kaaba has four faces.

7:05No, it has six faces

7:08One is secret, it is the base

7:13The other is open to the sky and the only way to see it is if you ascended above it

7:25The four walls are also not visible all at once

7:28If you stood at the corner,

7:29you only see two walls

7:30If you stood in the middle, you only see one

7:35So why Kaaba?

7:36Why isn’t it a sphere instead?

7:39why Kaaba?

7:41Kaaba means cube

7:46Sinan: you had said once that if you open it up

7:51It would turn into a crucifix, which symbolizes the human being

7:58When you fold it, it turns into Kaaba (a cube)

8:02Why is the kaaba not a sphere but instead it is a cube?

8:04Sphere is the most perfect geometric form

8:08It is the symbol of the Divine in ancient Greece,

8:12as well as in Islamic wisdom,

8:14it is the symbol of God

8:19because it is both limited and unlimited

8:23People generally say unlimited and posit the limited in opposition to unlimited

8:28But It is both limited and unlimited Unlimited is undefinable.

8:32Limited can be defined but then it is knowledge about something particular

8:38How can we conceive of something that is both universal and particular?

8:43It is very interesting, how can this be?

8:46So the sphere represents both

8:50A sphere doesn’t have any corners,

8:52its surface is unlimited yet limited

8:57Imagine moving on top of its surface, you could go forever

9:03But you are on a limited object

9:07There is also the number Pi (3.14)

9:09It is both limited and unlimited.

9:143.14

9:17Pi is what mathematicians call an ‘infinite decimal’ After the decimal point,

9:20the digits go on forever and ever

9:22Sinan: I have a booklet about it, they have gone to one million digits

9:25but it doesn’t repeat itself

9:30Sinan: The book mentions that all sounds, all harmony is in it

9:34Sinan: all alphabets, poems, they are all in this formulation

9:41Yes, but Pi is not unlimited, it is a real number,

9:48how can this be?

9:49Sinan: How can it be both limited and unlimited?

9:52It is because after the number 3, it cannot pass to number 4

9:59If it could, then we could count 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8…

10:10But it can’t pass that bridge,

10:18that is the characteristic of Pi

10:20Okay, so what happens to the digits that go on forever?

10:29Where do they go?

10:33Sinan: They go down and down, into a vortex like a whirlpool

10:36That’s why limited and unlimited are conceived together

10:45That is Tevhid (Unity)

10:47If you try to separate them,

10:49there is schizophrenia there

10:53There is no Tevhid

10:59That’s how mathematics is as well

11:01This is very interesting.

11:04This is included in Egyptian wisdom

11:07I have been there before, so I know

11:12This number Pi, why is it called Pi?

11:19Now that we are focused on it, let’s explore this

11:24We know that it is a Greek letter

11:26Fine, but why do we call it Pi?

11:30When we read about Egyptian Gods, they are mentioned in the plural

11:35In reality, they are One in essence, but have many attributes

11:39The first of Egyptian God is called Ptah

11:47This is very interesting

11:52In Turkish we don’t put two consonants together

11:55We can’t quite say it right

12:04This word comes from Circassian Adyghes would know that,

12:11it is still being used

12:13Even today, they call God ‘Ptah’

12:18So this word Ptah, the first God of Egypt, came from the Caucasus

12:24Sinan: Is the name Sara?

12:26No, that’s much later

12:32So if we are saying that the first God was called ‘Ptah’,

12:35what does that mean?

12:41The secret of the pyramids is also this.

12:44It is squaring the circle or circling the square

12:49This is an important problem of mathematics

12:59We know that

13:01All geometrical shapes are derived from the circle,

13:06from the whole

13:10The first one is the triangle

13:14How?

13:17We divide the circle into two equal halves,

13:22and the line we draw between the two halves

13:25is the diameter written as "R".

13:39If we were to divide the circle into two twice

13:44We can make four equal halves of a circle

13:52We get four triangles

13:54When we connect the dots where the lines meet the circle,

14:00We get four triangles

14:02If we were to lift from where the four triangles meet and lift that point into air,

14:04We have a pyramid

14:06What we get is a pyramid we turned the circle into a pyramid

14:09How did we do this?

14:12The ratio of the circle’s circumference to its diameter turned out to be

14:17Pi (3.14)

14:19So that means the first God "Ptah" means

14:23"Pi"

14:24or ‘ratio’,

14:25the ratio of a circle’s circumference to its diameter

14:30What does ‘ratio’ mean?

14:32It means ‘akil’ (intelligence)

14:34Rational thinking is Mathematical thinking.

14:37See where we ended up!

14:39If we don’t know this wisdom,

14:43We might just memorize

14:46what Pi is, learn about Egyptian gods but without understanding it!

14:51And we might say this is Pi, here are pyramids and wonder why there are pyramids in Egypt.

14:55We will go to Egypt soon, It is a long way

14:58Sinan: We will first go to India and then to Egypt, it is a long way

15:03Yes, we will travel the world inshallah!

15:07Sinan: How are we doing in terms of time, Can?

15:10Can: All is well

15:16Sinan:We thank Ismail Emre

15:20Can: I was going to ask, the symbolism of the hazelnut shell (as the ear) is also in

15:24the ’Awakened Dreams’ by Ahmet Hilmi

15:28Yes that is a classical symbol, it is something that may be mentioned first by a murshid

15:37We refer to such symbols as ‘Ayat’ (sign)

15:40Then it might be repeated by others.

15:45We are talking about the same geometry, same ratio

15:48So what are we supposed to do?

15:55Shall we give a break?

16:00Sinan: With your permission, looking forward to seeing you all later

16:02Çilingir Sofrası 24 / Ismail Emre (continued)

16:03Çilingir Sofrası 24 / Ismail Emre (continued) ***Translated by Prof.Dr.Nükhet Kardam***