Çilingir Sofrası 28 / Hz. İsa ve Hz.Ali (with English subtitles)

0:00Çilingir Sofrası 28 / Jesus Christ - Hz.Ali ***Translated by Prof.Dr.Nükhet Kardam***

1:25A new genre of music is born -

1:27- we can call it Indiabesque (instead of arabesque)

1:30Why? It is not completely Indian, it has Anatolian music in it

1:34Sinan: Anatolian Indiabesque

1:45Yes, enough of Arabesque music

1:47A new genre is born

1:50Can: How about Bhagavad Gita?

1:52We will get to Bhagavad Gita

1:55Can: I thought I would mention it since you can’t do without me!

1:59We will get to Bhagavad Gita, but it is a summary

2:06A summary of what?

2:08Mahabharata

2:10Mahabarata are Indian epics

2:15Not about Krishna Murti, he comes later,

2:19but Krishna lived in antiquity

2:24We cannot place Krishna in a particular historical time period

2:30Same with Christ, his birth is year is zero Zero does not denote time

2:34What does that mean?

2:38It means Christ is timeless

2:46He is like a hero in a novel, you can’t place him in history

2:50If you search history,

2:52you can find someone called Apollonius

2:54who we know lived, who left written documents,

2:59there is someone called Philon from the school of Alexandria

3:04He has left written documents, like the Bible,

3:07even more philosophical

3:09Christ has a story in the Bible

3:14In terms of time and place,

3:17but historically there is no such person

3:20Christ is beyond time, he is not inside time

3:25We said that a human being can move from place to time,

3:27but what does it mean to go even beyond time?

3:31Serhan: it means sainthood

3:33Yes, so Christ was elevated

3:37In the Qur’an,

3:40God says that he will definitely kill Christ

3:42definitely

3:44I will definitely kill you and will elevate you to My level

3:49In that case, who is the one who dies?

3:54If you killed him, there is no one left

3:57And is elevated? I will elevate you to My level

3:59The Qur’an says something very interesting that Christians should hear

4:05This is something that Muslims themselves don’t understand

4:08except gnostics,

4:10An ordinary Muslim might read the Qur’an and say they didn’t kill Christ, they killed his look alike

4:22It says that they think they crucified Christ and killed him

4:30No, they killed his lookalike

4:35We elevated him to Our level

4:38This is interesting.

4:40This would destroy Christianity

4:43Why? Because if Christ did not die and then was resurrected, what is his value?

4:48He died and then was resurrected

4:51That’s why he is considered to be sacred being and a savior

4:57If he is killed like an ordinary person, what is his value?

5:02If he is just killed like an ordinary person, he doesn’t have any value;

5:05all right, if his look alike was killed and not himself then what?

5:08Like the Dan Brown novels,

5:10that say he married Mary Magdalene

5:13And had children,

5:14and in fact went to India and became Krishna

5:18If we say these things,

5:20then we have to remember Kazantzakis’ novel,

5:23‘The Last Temptation of Christ’

5:26In this work,

5:30Christ is depicted on the cross,

5:33just then an angel in the form of a young girl appears

5:39And says that God has given me the duty to save you,

5:42you are God’s son. He doesn't want to kill you.

5:45I'll save you and as I do this, people will become blind

5:52and will not be able to see.

5:57She saves him, he is healed

6:00And marries Mary Magdalene

6:04and has children with her.

6:09But Mary Magdalene soon dies

6:16Christ is devastated and is grieving her

6:22There is Marta, who is Lazeros’ sister

6:30She says, look, all women are the same

6:34Why are you so sad?

6:36You loved a woman and

6:37all women are the same

6:39Just like what it says in the Qur’an that we all created you from one nafs

6:44You are grieving, of course it is understandable

6:49But there is Marta here, she is also a woman too

6:52So Christ gets together with Marta,

6:54just like what other people might do

6:57After grieving, people may find someone who resembles their loved one

7:01One day Christ hears that someone is talking about him

7:06At the village square and says let’s go and hear what they say

7:13There is a movie about this story too, but the novel is great too

7:19But if you cannot picture that time period, how people dressed and conversed, you should see the movie first

7:23Don’t tell me that the novel is better

7:29The movie helps us imagine that time period

7:32Now

7:35Martin Scorsese made the movie, ‘The Last Temptation of Christ’, it is an art piece

7:42I recommend our friends to watch this movie

7:45And then read the novel

7:48It would be better to watch the movie first

7:53At the square, St. Paul is talking about Christ

7:58Excitedly, everyone is in rapture

8:06At that moment, Christ appears with his family and says

8:10People, this man is lying!

8:15The Christ he is talking about, God’s son who has been sacrificed

8:21Is me, I am right here and I am alive

8:25None of that happened, this man is lying

8:30People dispense

8:33and St Paul is puzzled

8:35he goes near Christ and his family

8:39He says: how can you be the one who is going to save humanity?

8:44You are just like us, you have a family, you have children.

8:53You can’t be the Christ I am talking about.

8:56The Christ I am talking about is a God like figure

9:00He is supposed to save people and give them hope,

9:03you can’t do that, you are not him

9:07Then we move to a different scene where Christ is being crucified.

9:13The angel comes

9:13And says let’s go I can save you,

9:14but Christs says no, I was born for this day.

9:17And surrenders to God.

9:19What Kazantzakis had done here

9:22is to resurrect the Bible

9:25So here is an artist who resurrected the Bible,

9:31I am trying to convey the power of art here

9:36If mythology can still be so influential,

9:40it because of art

9:42Shall we just give up art and say I am for rationality, for technology;

9:46if you do that you just create comfort

9:50Can you understand and enjoy this story I just told?

9:52St Paul comes and says, who are you? You are not the Christ in my imagination!

9:58You are just an ordinary person!

10:00Serhan: I just remembered a story

10:02Serhan: With your permission I would like to tell it, make a small contribution

10:05Please go ahead

10:13Serhan: One day Hazreti Ali asks Selman-ı Pak to go to a village

10:21During prayer time and tell them that

10:28Tonight Hazreti Ali will join them

10:33Let’s see what they will say in response

10:35Of course, we are the ones who give him the title ‘Hazret’ (a title of respect)

10:39Serhan: tell them that Ali will come, or I will come to join the prayers tonight

10:47So Selman-i Pak goes to the village

10:51And rings the bell, and tells the people

10:57I see that you are making preparations, Ali, Hazreti Ali will join you tonight

11:05Oh, that’s a wonderful surprise

11:09We are so happy, we were waiting for him

11:14Please tell him that we are expecting him

11:19Selman-i Pak returns to Hz. Ali and says

11:24They were very happy to hear that you are coming, and they are expecting you

11:31Hz. Ali says all right, why don’t you go to the adjacent village

11:36And tell them the same thing

11:37So Selman-i Pak goes there as well and rings the bell

11:42And says, tonight Hz. Ali would like to join you

11:47And wanted me to let you know. They respond the same way

11:52Of course, we would be delighted

11:54He returns to Hz Ali and reports their response

11:58Hz Ali says, all right, why don’t you go to this other village as well?

12:01He rings the bell, and says

12:08Tonight Hz. Ali would like to join you, the same words

12:12They say, well, it is up to him

12:19Selman-i Pak reports that they said it is up to him,

12:25Ali, the one who is the Exalted, the High is always in our prayers anyway

12:37If he would like to come, of course he is welcome

12:44That’s because in the Qur’an Ali means Allah

12:48That’s the secret.

12:51Ali means the Exalted, the High

12:55That means transcendent in Western languages

13:00Serhan: the meaning of the word Ali means exalted?

13:02Yes, transcendent is relative, means exalted according to some people

13:12Not transcendence, that is different, transcendence is absolute, not relative

13:17Absolute transcendence is zhat, therefore we can’t know it

13:22Ali, on the other hand, is relative, according to some people

13:28We call that ‘transcendent’

13:36Therefore,

13:38The person who is Prophet Muhammed’s uncle’s son, his son in law, who is loved by God

13:47Whose name was given to him by Prophet Muhammed

13:52Is not the Ali as a human being

13:59But the one who has seen God in Prophet Muhammed (men reyeni fekad reyel hakka - Those who have seen me have seen God)

14:07And has become exalted and

14:10has become ‘Veli’

14:12Ali is the name of Allah, and Veli is the one who meets God

14:18Serhan: One of Allah’s names is Ali, right?

14:20Yes, that name Ali was manifested in him

14:29And that is why, Hz. Ali has been bestowed

14:35knowledge, direct perception and strength

14:41And was made to prevail by God, was exalted so that he could teach others

14:47the point was not to kill or destroy people

14:50Çilingir Sofrası 28 / Jesus Christ - Hz.Ali ***Translated by Prof.Dr.Nükhet Kardam***