Çilingir Sofrası 33 / Oksijen, Hidrojen - Celal, Cemal (with English subtitles)

0:00Çilingir Sofrası 33 / Oxygen, Hydrogen - Beauty, Majesty ***Translated by Prof.Dr.Nükhet Kardam***

0:02We are talking about Brahman, an abstract concept of absolute unity, the I that is the ‘I’, which is universal

0:07It is endless, limitless but universal like the sphere

0:12Which is endless but limited

0:15That’s what we call Brahman

0:21It is absolute and identical to itself

0:26It can only be defined by itself

0:30Sinan: It is not relative

0:31It doesn’t have a cause

0:33Rational means we know the cause, causal knowledge

0:36If there is no cause, it can’t be rational knowledge

0:42As such, it is hidden Hidden means it can’t be known

0:46How can I know something that is hidden?

0:48I ask what is your cause?

0:52The response is: what cause?

0:54That means there is darkness there

0:56We can’t know it with our minds There is darkness, Brahman

1:03It is identical to itself

1:09That is an absolute darkness Prophet Muhammed calls this absolute blindness

1:21Since it doesn’t have a cause, it is not manifest

1:26Can we call this Brahman?

1:28We can’t

1:30If we call it Brahman, as it has attributes

1:34Serhan: There is no blindness then

1:35and Brahman means ‘Rahmet’ (mercy), then it is an attribute that is manifest. That means it is no longer blindness,

1:42It manifests as mercy

1:44Then it is not absolute darkness

1:47Or blindness But can manifest itself

1:52When we say Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim there is ‘rahman’ and ‘rahim’

1:56These are the attributes of Allah that are manifest

2:00Serhan: Ahad is that which is not manifest

2:01Means there is nothing that is manifest Ahadiyet means non manifest

2:08Qul huwallahu ahad (Surah al-Ikhlas)

2:12Ahad cannot be known

2:13It doesn’t exist Sinan: There is no existence there

2:16What can be known are Allah’s attributes

2:19Allah is the unity of all attributes and can be known But His zhat is Ahad and cannot be known

2:31That means Vahdet is Allah Allah is Vahdet, not Ahad

2:34Ahad is the Absolute One that is not manifest

2:36Atman who reaches Brahman

2:39I am calling Atman ‘Ruh’ (Spirit) I am calling it ‘Ruh’ so we understand it in our culture

2:44In Sanskrit that word Doesn’t exist, so we need to call it Atman

2:48The ‘ruh’ or Atman that reaches Brahman

2:51No longer returns to this world in a different body

2:54Which is full of pain

2:58But people believe in reincarnation in the modern world

3:05And think they will be reborn in a body

3:12So have you been reincarnated before?

3:13Yes, but I forgot about it!

3:14That means you didn't come or go

3:17If you don't have any memory of it

3:20Then how can it be you who came back?

3:23Sinan: There are some people who remember coming back such as in Adana

3:25There are thousands of stories I can make up a story too

3:29Such people say they were an Egyptian princess or a king in the past.

3:33Did you ever hear someone claiming to be reincarnated as a garbage collector?

3:41People think Indians came up with this idea of reincarnation

3:44But Indians say that’s your supposition

3:47Once you reach Brahman

3:49There is no more reincarnation

3:52That is Enlightenment

3:54Enlightenment means an end to pain

3:57What is pain?

3:59The pain experienced in this life

4:01And worrying about life after death

4:06We worry about what will happen when we die, we expect pain And create our own hell

4:11Once we are devoid of this pain Then you are like Buddha

4:15And you say there is only this moment, that's it! No past, no future and your worries are gone

4:23I don't care whether I was incarnated or not

4:28Let me give a real world example to you

4:32This man called Metin Bobaroglu Has had a different consciousness

4:38Every ten years since he was born Metin when he was 20 years old

4:43is not the same Metin when he was 30 years old

4:45or when he was 40 or 50 years old

4:47It is not a scientific finding, but usually we experience a change every 10 years

4:54Sinan: So you personally had this experience

4:55No, not just me, I mean everyone on average has this experience

4:56The decades change us, for example think about our teenage years

5:01This is an average

5:03Sinan: People talk about biological changes at seven year periods.

5:06No, we are not talking about that

5:09Look at yourself, Sinan, at ten years old and now!

5:12So for example, who was it?

5:19Right, Can Yücel, the poet

5:21Said that the young Can Yücel came to me

5:25We sat down and had a conversation, then we started to argue and he didn’t approve of me

5:34Now if the 20 year old Metin came to me

5:36He would say: you old man, what are you talking about?

5:45Come on, let’s dance! Why are you wasting your time with this stuff?

5:47Sinan: he might say, oh no, is that my future?

5:50In fact, I am not that young Metin’s old age

5:53I am not his future, I didn’t grow up and become this Metin

5:58I turned into this Metin through transformation

6:02I am absolutely not his future

6:04Sinan: That’s it

6:08I am not the past’s future

6:12I am absolutely not that Metin’s future

6:14Serhan: I am this moment’s Metin

6:15Exactly

6:20I was not there in the past There was Metin who was 20 years old there in that photo

6:26Sinan: you can thank him

6:27That's not the point

6:31Serhan: That Metin was someone else

6:41We look at old photos and say Look at how I was then! Leave that alone!

6:49As you realize the truth, it may come as a shock

6:54So we have to go step by step

6:56If we talk about reality in one go, all of a sudden

7:00If we actually experienced truth, not just hear about it or read about it

7:03We might go crazy

7:07Therefore it has to be step by step

7:12Otherwise you might object

7:17Sinan: How beautiful

7:19In this method, you end up discovering yourself, this is not about learning

7:22This kind of knowledge We are using it, but this is not about learning

7:25We do archeology For example, we used archeology and found cotton

7:31Lets say we went back to find a cotton ball in the field

7:35Then it might become a thread

7:44And then I might make a hat

7:45Out of it maybe I will make a dress out of it

7:51Do you understand? There is something called fashion

7:54There is something called cotton but it turns into unbelievable forms,

7:58and every form is a ‘word’ (kelam)

8:01Its essence was just a cotton ball.

8:05Look what it can turn into

8:08It is capable of so many things!

8:12Sinan: You can use its root to make different colors

8:15Now can I call it cotton

8:19But it was just cotton in the field

8:22Is it cotton?

8:24No,

8:25If I tell to cotton that it is a vest, it might say, I contain so many other vests!

8:32You are just a cotton ball, a simple cotton ball

8:37but its essence hides so many other things!

8:41Look at hydrogen

8:43The first element is hydrogen

8:46A hydrogen cloud called Nebula

8:48consisting of one atom, one electron

8:52All metals come from hydrogen

8:56Gold comes out of its transformation

8:58Iron is a transformation of hydrogen

9:00How is that possible?

9:04How all these things created from it?

9:09Because as they multiply

9:14They are attracted towards the center

9:17Moving towards the center

9:19Increases the pressure

9:22In that context of friction

9:23And under pressure,

9:24they catch fire

9:27What is fire?

9:31That means atom bomb, that is the beginning of nuclear physics

9:36Fusion starts there

9:38Fusion means two isotopes of hydrogen fuse and release massive amounts of energy

9:45In the form of heat They then fuse to form Helium

9:50First they move towards the center Then comes the energy of fusion

9:56The atoms fuse and become helium

10:00And we call that fusion

10:04The energy of fusion

10:06At the beginning was the energy of separation and multiplication,

10:11then the energy of fusion

10:13Today what we call analysis and synthesis, the working of our mind is the same thing

10:18Works with the same system. This is about creation itself

10:26Sinan: My dear hydrogen!

10:28Let me drink with oxygen a little.

10:30It is one, ahad.

10:35Hydrogen is an atom and inside it

10:37There are Serhan

10:40There is an atom called hydrogen an in it, there is

10:42Serhan, Metin, Sinan.

10:44A rose, a violet, a table

10:48Isn’t that right?

10:51We know this but we don’t understand.

10:59I am talking about scientists who don’t understand this

11:02They know about it

11:08Let him tell me that the violet is inside the hydrogn

11:12Did it come from somewhere else?

11:15Inside hydrogen gas is a violet

11:19It is inside the hydrogen Okay,

11:23Something very puzzling comes to mind

11:28Perhaps one day scientists may understand, expand their view

11:33But even more interestingly

11:35The element which burns most is oxygen

11:38and the most combustible element is hydrogen

11:41They merge to become water

11:45How is this possible?

11:46and burns others.

11:58Oxygen is the Light of Majesty (Celal)

12:01Hydrogen is the Light of Beauty (Cemal),

12:03it is combustible.

12:07Hydrogen is the feminine and oxygen is the masculine element.

12:11Once they meet each other

12:15Water emerges, water is life

12:19It turns out that life is the unity of Celal and Cemal

12:23When religion says life is the unity of Celal and Cemal

12:27Scientists might say, what are these religious people saying? Where is the science in it?

12:30This is science

12:32The problem is you don’t know the concepts

12:34Can: "We ˹alone˺ created humans from a drop of mixed fluids." ***Chapter (76) sūrat l-insān (Man)***

12:36The problem is you don’t know the concepts

12:43People who don’t know the concepts interpret things

12:45according to their own suppositions

12:47And scientists say:

12:48"We don’t accept this interpretation"

12:51Scientists don’t reject religion itself

12:54It is what some religious people present as religion is what they are rejecting

12:56Sinan: The religion that is made up, that is fake

12:58We should all reject that

13:03Now,

13:05what we see in the Upanishads

13:06the melting of the individual self (Atman) In the Brahman

13:13Melting of the limited in the unlimited and endless

13:17In other words, the possibility of

13:19Experiencing the individual self Within the Universal Self, Universal Reality

13:25Is not just the basis of Hinduism But of all other spiritual paths

13:29This is very important

13:33This is not just the essence of Hinduism

13:35It is the same in Egypt Same in antique Greece, same in Islam

13:39Go to Christianity, to Judaism

13:42Sinan: Everywhere

13:43Yes.

13:44Truth cannot be local, if it is, then it is not truth.

13:49It has to be universal

13:51Wherever we look, let’s put it this way Let’s talk about science

13:55We have labs in different parts of the world

13:57We will do a test, if the results are different, then it is not the reality

13:59Science deals with reality

14:01When we say science, we are dealing with reality

14:04I am Japanese

14:06I conducted the test and got a different result

14:08You are Turkish and you conducted the test It turned out different,

14:11it is not the truth

14:14And if the results do not overlap, it is not the truth

14:17Or let’s summarize

14:19if I tested water in Turkiye

14:21We know that water boils at a certain temperature

14:25Or freezes at a certain temperature Responds to pressure in a particular way, etc.

14:32Whoever conducts the test must come up with the same report Exactly

14:37The final report has to be the same

14:40Water is real, the truth and universal, and wherever you test it,

14:42You get the same result

14:47But marifet (wisdom) is not like that

14:50I don’t know how to make sushi, I am Turkish This chef makes sushi, there is water in it

14:55Chinese soup, I like it very much, has water in it

14:58Sinan: The water is the same water

15:00In the Aegean region, they make wine out of it

15:03Water represents reality or truth

15:05but marifet (Wisdom) is different,

15:07it is cultural.

15:09But truth is not cultural,

15:14it is universal

15:16That’s what we mean by Atman and Brahman

15:19Brahman is the absolute universal,

15:21what is Atman?

15:22The truth/reality is Atman but marifet (wisdom) that manifests in each Atman is cultural

15:32So the truth in each marifet (wisdom) is Atman,

15:37so Atman is not plural but one.

15:41If the water in different places

15:43For example, the water you have My water and yours is the same

15:46And the water a Japanese has, or a Greek has or the British has is the same

15:49That means there is one water, our truth is the same

15:51But our ‘marifet’ (wisdom) is varied, depends on how we use the water, what we make out of it

15:54That means, our reality, our truth is one and the same

15:58Just like water

15:59But our marifet (wisdom) is culturally based and varied

16:04If reality was not one and the same across cultures

16:08How could we communicate, how could we talk

16:10or write to each other?

16:15That means Atman is Brahman

16:19But when I try to define the universal (Brahman) in a particular location

16:23When I try to describe the universal in a location

16:30Brahman becomes Atman

16:33But be careful, the are the same Let’s say the water in Turkey exists under certain conditions

16:42So in its reality, it is Atman But its manifestation in Turkiye is Brahman

16:45The water in Turkiye under certain conditions

16:49the water that is used under certain conditions is Brahman in its absolute reality

16:56But under the conditions in Turkey. The way it manifests, it is Atman

17:00Sinan: The water under the conditions in the North Pole is different

17:04It is ice but it is still water

17:07A person who has reached Atman has also met Brahman

17:11Or let’s put it this way

17:12When a person (besher) meets his essence or Atman,

17:18meaning his divine essence,

17:23we call it ‘Rab’ in Arabic,

17:26Meeting His Rab, means

17:28meeting Rabb il-Alemeen (Lord of the worlds) God of all universes

17:33Where can I meet my Rab?

17:35You meet your Rab in my essence

17:40Who you meet in your own essence is God Himself

17:51You can’t find Him anywhere else,

17:53you can see His attributes,

17:55witness His activities

17:58But if you want to meet His zhat, You have to go to your own zhat

18:05Çilingir Sofrası 33 / Oxygen, Hydrogen - Beauty, Majesty ***Translated by Prof.Dr.Nükhet Kardam***