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0:00I've been in business for 14 years. Last

0:01year, our companies in total did over

0:03$250 million in aggregate revenue. I

0:05co-own the platform School, which is

0:06over 22 million users. And school's a

0:08platform that allows people to start and

0:10scale digital businesses. And so, I have

0:12access to quite literally millions of

0:13data points on what makes digital

0:15businesses work and what doesn't. And

0:17so, in this video, I'm answering your

0:18questions about how to scale.

0:19>> I sell dreams and I built an ecosystem

0:21to make it happen. Essentially, what

0:23does that mean? Let's

0:24>> get into it. I start off flipping homes.

0:26>> Okay. Thank you. And then uh

0:29>> okay I started off flipping homes and it

0:31got to a point where

0:32>> that's a hope and opportunity. Hey, it

0:34works.

0:37>> I flip houses. Got to a certain point.

0:38We got about 30 40 consecutively every

0:40year in the same market. Revenue is

0:42about 4 mil.

0:43>> Okay.

0:43>> Adjusting out line itself. It got to a

0:46point there's too much competition. You

0:47had a hard time being profitable per

0:49flip.

0:49>> So then develop a model where we convert

0:52competition to collaboration. Start a

0:54contracting company instead of buying

0:56the product becoming the product. and

0:58then starting a coaching channel where I

0:59feed this ecosystem vertically

1:02integrated HVAC company, roofing

1:03company, uh dumpster company,

1:05contracting, the whole nine yards. So,

1:08teaching people how to do it and I'm

1:09giving them the process how to do it.

1:10All that is different revenue drips for

1:12me. Uh what's stopping me? I got too

1:16busy too fast and uh owner operator for

1:18a long time up until about 3 months ago.

1:20Hired a COO now transitioning a lot of

1:23the operations stuff onto her. really I

1:26don't know what the [ __ ] I'm doing

1:27because like I'm trying to transition

1:28myself out. I don't know how to run a

1:29COO.

1:30>> Why are you trying to transition out of

1:32the role or out of the company?

1:34>> A little bit of both. So out of the role

1:36because

1:37>> to be honest, I don't really care about

1:39the revenue uh growth factor. I care

1:42more about the impact. So

1:44>> a promise I made myself is I want to

1:45impact at least five like uh 1 million

1:47lives before I die. So how do I do that?

1:49I'm not going to be doing that flipping

1:50homes at a small scale. But I built a

1:52company that's so based in locality that

1:54I'm trapped within it because it's so

1:57local. My team is there, my resources,

1:59my companies. The coaching program only

2:01makes sense because it's local. But

2:04because my market size, there's only so

2:06many people I can get consecutively

2:07every time unless I keep dropping

2:09prices. The opposite of increasing

2:10price.

2:11>> So what does that mean? I have to go to

2:13a national stage is how to how do I take

2:15this coaching at a massive scale? And

2:18that's where I'm stuck at because I'm

2:19too busy in the operations. And that's

2:21where Amy came in as a COO to kind of

2:22help me get out of it and focus on the

2:25next phase of, you know, the origin

2:27story.

2:27>> So, dude, like I I I appreciate the

2:30national scale vision. I think you could

2:33probably get to given the ticket size

2:36and how you can monetize the customer in

2:38all these hundreds of ways. Like the the

2:40reason you would do that setup is so

2:42that you could dominate a local market.

2:45You're not dominating a local market

2:46right now. You're barely getting

2:47started. And so you could probably

2:49realistically get between Fagville um

2:52and Raleigh, you could probably get to

2:54100 million a year

2:56>> just in that market alone.

2:57>> Yeah. And I think if you just take your

2:59eyes off of like I want to conquer the

3:00entire world. It's like maybe. But like

3:03in order to conquer the world, you have

3:04to conquer a country first, right? And

3:06before you conquer a country, you got to

3:07conquer a city. And right now, you

3:08haven't conquered a city. And so what

3:10happens is when armies overexpand, they

3:13collapse. And so you need to fortify

3:15your base better because 10 dude 10 a 10

3:17a month is nothing.

3:18>> So what do you recommend? Do I try to

3:20automate what I have

3:22>> or do I just put myself more into it and

3:25double?

3:25>> Yeah. I think you should just ignore the

3:27national thing.

3:28>> Yeah.

3:28>> And let me just ask the simple question.

3:31Can you could you sell 20 people a week

3:34right now? Not like let me say it

3:36differently. Can you handle 20 people a

3:38week?

3:40>> We will be soon. Now that the co has

3:42kind of taken. You could have an 8x

3:43increase in sales within your current

3:46infrastructure. So that would take you

3:48from 4 to 32.

3:51>> That solves a revenue problem, not the

3:52impact problem.

3:57>> Do you make content?

3:58>> I don't have time. Hence squad, if you

4:01couldn't tell. Yeah,

4:02>> but that's where I'm slacking the most.

4:05>> Yeah, it's the content. Um, it would be

4:08far easier for you to just make content

4:10about the stuff you're doing and impact

4:11millions of people that way.

4:13>> Yeah.

4:14>> Than

4:16every single person in America to be a

4:17home flipper.

4:18>> And that's not achievable anyway.

4:20>> I agree.

4:21>> It's more about the financial education

4:22like selling the the dream of like you

4:24can be something more than just what you

4:26think you are and where you came from.

4:27>> And you can make content about that and

4:29you can distribute it for free with

4:30leverage. It's a beautiful thing. And so

4:33like you can be legit because you have a

4:35legitimate business and then you can

4:37talk about it and help all these other

4:39people and then you just keep growing

4:41this thing.

4:42>> Okay. So double down locally.

4:44>> Yeah. You already have all the like you

4:45went through whatever the hell you did

4:47to go through and build all that stuff.

4:48It's like you just built it and you're

4:50like, you know what, I'm going to leave

4:51it now and I'm going to do another

4:52thing. It's like no. Like I'm glad you

4:54brought the COO in, but it's probably so

4:56that she can do some of the stuff you're

4:57doing now so you can do the stuff you

4:58know you should be doing but you're not.

5:00And so like you want to do the impact,

5:01you see you don't have time. You have

5:02the COO go make some content. It's not

5:03going to take that long anyways. And

5:04that way you can scratch your impact

5:06itch. And then for everything else, it's

5:08like you need to learn how to run paid

5:09ads and sell [ __ ] cuz like you for sure

5:11can sell 20, 50, 100 people a week in a

5:13local market, no problem for the offer

5:15that you have.

5:16>> Should I increase pricing to make it

5:18better or should I keep it where it's at

5:20given that it does feed my other

5:22channels?

5:22>> You probably have a better time just

5:24like charging 100 grand and saying

5:25you'll do that stuff for free or at

5:26cost.

5:29Yeah.

5:31Um, but yeah, I mean, can you raise

5:34prices? It's just like, can you sell and

5:36can you like Yes, you could. Typically,

5:38an offer like this is 100 grand.

5:40>> Yeah.

5:40>> So, usually they have a done with you

5:42style offer that's between 15 and 25 and

5:44then there's a uh total turnkey offer

5:46which is $100,000.

5:48>> No one in my market can afford that.

5:50That's the problem.

5:51>> That is just not true.

5:52If I I'll no one in your market that has

5:55heard of you through word of mouth of

5:57you emanating your presence into the the

5:58the workshops that you run once a

6:01quarter or whatever have can afford it

6:03if you run ads. Yes. It's just that like

6:05how many people show up to your thing?

6:08>> The venue holds 55 is packed out every

6:10time.

6:11>> Yeah. 50. So you have 55 people a month

6:13that come in the doors

6:14>> every three months. Yeah.

6:15>> Every three months. Right, dude. So it's

6:18like the way this looks in reality is

6:21you'll bring a 100 people in the room

6:22and you'll do three of those in a day

6:25and you'll pitch and you'll close 10 15

6:28you'll close three or five at the you

6:30know like the 100k and you'll close a

6:32handful at the you know call it 15 to

6:3525k and that's that's the business. So

6:38you like you're you're like you see 200

6:41people a year and you're like my market

6:42can't afford it. It's like well those

6:44200 can't. It's like look at 2,000. I'm

6:46sure there are some. Let me give you a

6:47stat. 9% of people in America have a

6:50million dollars in terms of their net

6:52worth. So if you include the ass like

6:53buy their home, like 9%. It's

6:56significantly higher than you think it

6:57is. They just look older.

7:00>> Real. Okay. We sell motocross training.

7:03>> Okay.

7:04>> So we we hold 5day camps. What we did to

7:06be able to get our projection to 26 to

7:10the 4 million is we scaled down our

7:12single day tour dates. We were we we did

7:15more in 24. We went all the way to we

7:19scaled from 70 single day tour dates in

7:2223 to 140 of them in 2024 and it was

7:27just a ton of operational drag. I mean

7:29it was like we were like a rock.

7:31>> It was nuts.

7:33>> But what we realized and looking back on

7:34it is the bottom 20 of those were net

7:36negative. The the next 20 were net less

7:39than $1,000. So inconsequential. And

7:42then I started looking at in 2024 we did

7:44three of the 5day camps kind of as a

7:46test run. Each of those net well over

7:49100 grand each and I'm like well hang on

7:51a second. This is the answer. So this

7:53year I told the team at first I called

7:56them. I said hey I just had an epiphany.

7:57Here it is. We're going to do 10 camps.

8:00And I said actually no we're actually

8:02going to do 25. And they're like 25?

8:04What do you mean 25? Yeah.

8:06>> My question is,

8:08>> do I continue to my

8:10>> Were you just able to charge more for

8:12the 3-day than the one day?

8:13>> Uh, the Earth, sorry.

8:15>> So, the one day is $300, which is

8:17probably not enough. The fiveday is

8:19$1,200, which is definitely not enough.

8:23>> Uh, so that's what part of the question,

8:25too.

8:25>> Cool.

8:25>> Um, I want to continue to scale the five

8:28days and scale down the single days, but

8:30my fear is we basically own the space.

8:32Nobody else does what I do. It's pretty

8:34large market.

8:35Um, there is one copycat company and

8:37he's trying to hit all these single day

8:39tour dates in the regions that we're

8:40doing them. So, I'm afraid if I scale

8:41them down too much,

8:43>> we won't copy the model that makes the

8:45money.

8:46>> That's a great point. Yeah.

8:50>> Love this for us, right?

8:53>> I hope he does.

8:54>> Okay. I could honestly I could go home

8:57right now and I'd be happy after that.

9:00>> Yeah, you're right. You're right. And I

9:02feel more confident that I don't think

9:04he could do what we could do anyways,

9:05but he certainly can't do what we can do

9:07in a five-day event. I mean, we we've

9:08run those five days like nobody else.

9:10So,

9:10>> yeah. And I'll land the plan on that for

9:11you, too, which is that

9:13>> you will never go out of business

9:14focusing on the customer. And I I'll

9:16tell you a quick story. So, the biggest

9:18business mistake that I I've made, the

9:20two most costly business mistakes I've

9:22made, um, one of them has nothing to do

9:24with this. This is the other one, which

9:27has everything to do with this. Um, I

9:29had a competitor that ended up taking a

9:33bunch of my top testimonials that were

9:35that we kind of converted to semi-mp

9:36employees because they were big

9:37evangelists back in the gym launch days.

9:40And as soon as they took them and they

9:42were they were big ads for me, all of a

9:44sudden they were running ads for this

9:45other guy. So, it's kind of like when

9:46the Verizon guy went to the AT&T,

9:48remember that that that switch over that

9:49actor? It was kind of like that. And

9:52this guy was offering one-on-one

9:54coaching um to help people out. I never

9:57did that. And so and they were cheaper.

9:59So they were cheaper. They were doing

10:01one-on-one and they had some of my top,

10:03you know, customers uh becoming

10:05advocates. And they said that the 10 of

10:07them had come they partnered. He

10:08partnered with these 10 people or

10:09something like that. And when that

10:11happened, I got r my feathers got all

10:14ruffled. And I was like, it's war time.

10:16We got to, you know, we got to go to the

10:18mattresses. We got to really, you know,

10:19change change the business up. And so I

10:21did this big kind of like relaunch

10:23internally to my existing customer base.

10:25And um I said, "We're," you know, I did

10:29this big value stack and I said, "You're

10:30going to get all this extra stuff, not

10:33for the same price you're paying me, but

10:35for less." And so I took my existing

10:38recurring base and I reduced my revenue

10:41by $500,000 topline per month. And so

10:44that translated because we take it off

10:46topline and and the cost went up. So I

10:47increased my costs and I took my topline

10:50down by 6 million. And I ended up losing

10:53in profit somewhere in the neighborhood

10:54of $6 to $7 million a year for that

10:57business at the time. I then ended up

10:59selling that business obviously and the

11:01business never recovered that profit. It

11:04stayed there. And when I did make that

11:06move, the first comment in the chat

11:10after I dropped that it was less was a

11:12complaint that I had not done it

11:14earlier. So it was not, "Thank you so

11:16much for lowering the price and giving

11:17us more shit." It was, "I can't believe

11:19I was paying more.

11:21And I was like, I want to [ __ ] kill

11:24myself.

11:26And and here was the best part of all.

11:28My churn changed zero. So I just cut my

11:31top line by 20%. Churn remained the same

11:34because the willingness to pay change

11:36that I made. I basically reduced it from

11:38call it 3,000 a month to $2,500 a month.

11:40It actually made no real difference in

11:43whether someone would cancel or not. It

11:45was past a threshold that this is a lot

11:46of money. And so it changed nothing. I

11:49just made less money. And then when I

11:51sold the company, that six got

11:52multiplied by a lot. And so that

11:54probably cost me in the neighborhood of

11:56probably $50 mill million. And so the

11:58big lesson that I learned there was that

12:00I shouldn't and that that competitor

12:02ended up killing that business because

12:05it wasn't [ __ ] profitable. And so I I

12:07was the market leader and someone came

12:09in to undercut me and then I said, "Oh,

12:12I'll copy the moron."

12:14>> It's easy to let happen.

12:15>> Yes.

12:16>> And so don't lose $50 million. Let him

12:19let him figure that out for himself. You

12:21just focus on the customer and you'll

12:23win.

12:23>> Good answer. Thank you.

12:24>> Appreciate you.

12:25>> If you're a business owner, I'd like to

12:26invite you out to come to our

12:27headquarters in Vegas to see how we

12:29scale businesses using what we call the

12:31value acceleration method, which is a

12:33compilation of all the stuff that we've

12:35learned, breaking down different

12:36businesses across different industries.

12:38And if that sounds at all interesting,

12:40you can click below and book a call and

12:42we'd love to potentially meet you and

12:43see you in person.

12:44>> I sell coaching to real estate agents.

12:46>> Mhm. Um, I do two and a half million.

12:49Um, I'd like to double it. What's

12:51stopping me? That's a good question.

12:53Your boy Ed, he seems to think I could

12:55be just super famous.

12:57>> And he's like, you need a brand manager.

12:59>> Yeah.

12:59>> And so, you know, he's like, you need

13:01somebody that has already kind of

13:03achieved that with someone else, right?

13:04So, I guess my question is, how do I

13:06find that person? Cuz 99% of the stuff

13:09out there is scams basically.

13:12>> Totally. And I would even define them as

13:13scams. I just people that are not that

13:15competent. scam.

13:18I think it comes down to deception. Um

13:20whether they intend to deceive or they

13:21just aren't that good. Um but back back

13:24to your point, I yeah, I I agree. So

13:26fundamentally, if you want to just make

13:28more money and you are a brand that

13:30promotes itself, then you need to

13:31advertise more. Are you constrained on

13:33your delivery?

13:34>> Delivery as far as the fulfillment?

13:36>> Yeah.

13:37>> No, it's group coaching. It's easy.

13:38>> So you could double the amount of

13:40customers you have right now and it

13:41would be

13:41>> quadruple. Yeah.

13:42>> Okay. Well, then yeah. I mean, this is a

13:44pure advertising play. Yeah,

13:45>> you probably I mean

13:47>> I'm I'm interviewing sales guys and I'm

13:49looking at paid ads like hiring people

13:51for that. So like I'm getting into that.

13:53>> Yeah, the paid side is going to give you

13:55call it like a one time 3 to 5x off of a

13:58baseline. Uh not a promise or guarantee,

14:00just saying like that's that's what I

14:02would say is kind of typical if you've

14:04gotten to this point off of just

14:05organic. Um, obviously we can help you

14:08with that stuff, but like uh the

14:10long-term kind of like uh well that you

14:12need to keep digging is you want to

14:18so think of it like this. So you have

14:21just imagine this is your audience right

14:23now. You're monetizing these people,

14:25right? The people who are just like

14:26super hot. They love you forever and you

14:28continue to promote and you know this

14:31gets filled up with new eyeballs and

14:32then they come up because they see your

14:33stuff and then they give you money. Yay.

14:35Right? So if you if you uh when you

14:39start doing if you do more organic and

14:42do it across more platforms, do it more

14:43consistently, do it with higher volume,

14:44do with higher quality, then what you're

14:46going to do is you're going to grow this

14:47this base. This percentage will stay

14:50about the same, but now it's going to go

14:51to here, right? So then that dollar sign

14:53goes up. That's a great long-term play.

14:55And you just want to keep growing the

14:56pyramid.

14:57>> What ads will do is that ads will keep

14:59this the same and then it'll move this

15:01line down. And so you want to do both.

15:04Mhm.

15:04>> So, like in the short term, if I was

15:06like, how do I tr like double your

15:07business? It's like that wouldn't be

15:08that difficult. I would just be like,

15:09cool, just pull the ad lever. It's done.

15:11>> But if we were looking at a 10ear

15:13horizon, then I would say, well, we need

15:14to do both of these in parallel. We need

15:16to continue to plant the seeds and then

15:18the ads kind of reach off the top and

15:20and skim. Does

15:22>> that make sense?

15:23>> Yeah, for sure. So, how do you find an

15:24ad manager? I mean I mean I mean I mean

15:26a brand manager.

15:27>> So, that that's good.

15:29>> Yeah. The best thing I mean I just we

15:31just poach. We just I mean just

15:33outreach. Hey, you've crushed it with so

15:35and so. Can I pay you more to do it

15:36here?

15:37>> Right. And so I guess how do you realize

15:39who those people are to poach? Like who

15:42>> look at the brands that you admire and

15:44then reach out to them and offer them

15:46more money to do it for you.

15:48>> But you see the brand but you don't

15:49really know who's behind the brand.

15:52>> LinkedIn like Frank and like

15:55>> Yeah.

15:56>> solvable. Gotcha.

15:58>> For sure. Solvable. Yeah. I mean, and

15:59most of the people who are really good

16:01at media stuff do have some presence

16:02anyways on their own, so they don't make

16:04themselves invisible. Um, like you could

16:07probably chat GPT search who are the

16:09people who are involved with that.

16:10>> Here's my question. Like like is that

16:13something that could be outsourced?

16:15>> You mean recruiting?

16:16>> No, no, no, no, no. Not the recruiting

16:17part like the like the brand manager

16:19part.

16:19>> No, I wouldn't recommend it.

16:20>> Yeah. Bring somebody in house.

16:22>> It's thing is what are the so what are

16:24the core things to the business? So for

16:25every business you have attraction,

16:26you've got conversion, you've got

16:27delivery, right? Those are the things

16:29that are core to every business. IT,

16:31recruiting, finance. I see all of these

16:34functions as ancillary that aren't core

16:37to value creation for the customer.

16:39They're things that must occur for the

16:40business to continue to be a business,

16:41but not things that are core for the

16:43value to be created. And so for you,

16:45your brand is arguably the most

16:47important asset that you have and for

16:49sure would not be something that I would

16:50outsource.

16:51>> So bring somebody in house working

16:53directly for me.

16:54>> Yeah, I would poach somebody. Um,

16:55obviously we've done we've hired a lot

16:57of media people. We can help you with

16:58that. Um, but beyond that, uh, I would

17:01probably, if I'm doing order of ops,

17:02it'll probably be, uh, because the thing

17:05is is right now, are you selling, you're

17:07selling, who's doing the sales?

17:09>> Well, so I do it in a challenge.

17:12>> That's the only time I offer it, you

17:14know,

17:14>> you do one to many, five day thing,

17:15something like that. Okay.

17:16>> And so I'm going to switch to book a

17:18call, single cell guy, close

17:20>> and do it on a recurring kind of

17:21evergreen basis or still do it in this

17:22long?

17:23>> I'll do it both. I'll do both.

17:25>> Yeah. Um but okay, but you're selling

17:27straight to checkout.

17:28>> Mhm. Got it. Um yeah, that motion um as

17:33soon as you turn on ads is going to

17:35break uh in all likelihood because it's

17:38totally different selling to cold than

17:39is to to warm. And so the

17:41>> mean break,

17:42>> you will not convert the same percentage

17:44you currently do.

17:44>> Yeah. No doubt. No doubt. No doubt.

17:46>> By a lot. Um and so the whole the whole

17:49the economics of the entire funnel will

17:50change and so that'll take some

17:51adjustment in motion. So just more like

17:53preparing you for that because that's

17:54what comes next.

17:55>> Yeah.

17:56>> So high level recruiting for brand

17:58manager that's going to start building

17:59the base. And then ads plus sales motion

18:02are going to have to come in tandem

18:04because they both have to be good. The

18:06ads have to be good and the sales motion

18:07has to be good. If the ads are great and

18:09the sales motion sucks, it won't work.

18:10If the sales motion is great and the ads

18:11suck, it won't work.

18:12>> Cool.

18:13>> That makes sense for next steps.

18:14>> What's up?

18:15>> That makes sense for next steps.

18:16>> Yeah. Yeah. Go to LinkedIn and poach

18:17somebody. Got it.

18:19We sell sales coaching and lead genen to

18:23financial adviserss. We're at 6.6

18:26million. We'd like to be at 20 plus.

18:29>> Um,

18:29>> appound, paid ads, events. How do you

18:31sell

18:31>> paid ads?

18:32>> Okay. Yeah.

18:33>> Straight to VSL to phone team.

18:35>> Correct.

18:36>> Cool. Correct.

18:36>> Yeah. Biggest thing is churn as with

18:38pretty much all agencies.

18:40>> Um, so we've basically transitioned from

18:43lead genen company to sales coaching

18:45company because we know that, you know,

18:47advisors can't close. No offense to any

18:49advisers in here, but um yeah, so we're

18:52we're doing a lot of sales coaching now.

18:54So we have like the big head longtail

18:56where we can sell the lead genen on the

18:58back end.

18:59>> Okay.

19:00>> So yeah, the main question is have you

19:02seen other agencies successfully pivot

19:04from lead genen to sales coaching or you

19:07know in like very non-sales

19:09uh or industries where founders or

19:12business owners are sales deficient?

19:13Have you seen companies successfully

19:16train their clients on sales?

19:18>> Yeah, sure.

19:19>> So, like a gym launch, how did you guys

19:21successfully do that across thousands of

19:24gyms? We had something called boiler

19:25room. We trained their trainers and

19:27front desk people every morning and

19:29drilled them, role played, and separate

19:31them in the groups the same way we would

19:32our own team. So, we just did it every

19:34morning for them. And it was just an

19:35add-on,

19:36>> just group group roleplay basically.

19:38>> Mhm. just like you'd have a sales

19:40manager meeting where you'd role play

19:41whatever particular part of the script

19:42they were all struggling with. And so we

19:44break we break sales training from the

19:46team side, not on the one-on-one side,

19:48into five parts. We've got intro, we've

19:49got disco, we've got offer, and then

19:51we've got uh you know, objections and

19:53looping. And then fifth day is basically

19:55whatever is kind of the hot topic of

19:56what's the thing that we think is going

19:57to benefit the team the most. And so

19:59that's kind of how we rotate through. We

20:00have to keep each part of the script

20:01crisp, otherwise they'll [ __ ] up

20:02something. And so that keeps the short,

20:04you know, the the the sword sharp. Um,

20:06and that's what we did, you know, across

20:08the team. We still we do that for our

20:09teams, too. Um, but I think it's likely

20:13that it's under basically you need to

20:15provide more value or you need to lower

20:17the price. And so, if you want to tackle

20:19churn, it has to be like there are for

20:21sure businesses that work in the space

20:23that you're at. I think big head

20:24longtail is a great model like charge

20:26the upfront and then just make the

20:28continuity much much smaller. So, it's a

20:30no-brainer. Like they'll almost pay that

20:31just to be kind of in the network. Sure.

20:33>> And so this is I'll just I should have

20:35said this earlier, but it's like I try

20:37to answer the question so that it

20:38affects as many people as possible in

20:40this room. But the problem with

20:41information and kind of quote coaching

20:43or education type businesses is that um

20:46people try to make continuity out of the

20:49front end value that you're providing

20:51and then the value drops once you have

20:54the skill. And so you have to separate

20:56out the consumables from the one-time

20:59things. the onetime things also have

21:01significantly more value than the

21:02consumables do. Now sometimes they don't

21:04have the money to pay for the onetime

21:05thing because they don't have the skill

21:06the onetime thing would give them. Yeah.

21:07>> Right. That's kind of the issue. So um

21:10in order to separate it, it's like you

21:11just have to think what are the things

21:12that they get on an ongoing basis. And

21:14if we only sold that, what would the

21:16price point be? Likely significantly

21:17lower. And if we got them that skill, it

21:20would be significantly more. But once

21:21they have the skill, assume they have

21:23the skill on the ongoing basis.

21:25>> Yeah.

21:25>> What would they still pay for? Now you

21:28have the lead genen thing.

21:29really I mean the lead genen oh everyone

21:32wants it when they learn how to sell

21:35using our process they stay

21:37>> so the biggest thing is just making sure

21:38they actually

21:40>> so it's so it's like it's activation as

21:42well so like getting them to come in and

21:44actually engage

21:45>> because most advisers

21:46>> is it all remote

21:47>> it's all remote and they don't they also

21:49don't like sales like the word sales

21:51like

21:52>> they like cringe inside when they hear

21:54it so we literally like ban the word

21:55sales like we we just say consulting we

21:58don't call them sales calls We call them

21:59consults.

22:00>> So like you know like that but

22:03>> um yeah I'm just curious. So it sounds

22:05like you just have to get better at

22:06training them.

22:07>> Yeah.

22:08>> So

22:08>> okay.

22:09>> Your issue though is that if someone

22:12gets activated they stick for sure.

22:15>> For sure.

22:15>> Well then all of the all of the effort

22:17we have is how do we get them activated

22:18like better faster which is going to be

22:20a function of two things. One is going

22:21to be are there some avatars

22:23>> that are better than others right?

22:26Right? So, we only sell those avatars.

22:28And we split that into three buckets.

22:30You've got demographics. What do they

22:31look like? Right? You've got the

22:32quantifiables, which is like what are

22:34the uh what size business do they have?

22:36Whatever. Um and then you've got the

22:37ethnic the um uh I said demographics and

22:41there's quantifiables. There's a third

22:43one. I can't remember. But those two

22:45will at least get you on a head start um

22:47in terms of segmenting the traffic. So,

22:49you can be like this is who the avatar

22:50is. These ones have a significantly

22:51higher likelihood of converting. And

22:53what will happen when you do that is

22:54your CAC will go up, but then your stick

22:57problem will get fixed. Okay? So like

22:59for example, if I sold everybody who

23:01identified as a fitness person, then gym

23:04launch would never have been able to

23:05exist because I would have had too many

23:07shitty customers who are personal

23:08trainers who've got 10 clients,

23:10whatever, and they can never pay and it

23:12doesn't matter what I do. And so for me

23:14to deploy the resources required to

23:16actually get them up to snuff, I have to

23:18have somebody who at their onset can pay

23:20more

23:21>> so that I can actually help them.

23:22>> Okay?

23:23>> Because below a certain extent, it just

23:24needs to be DIY, which is a different

23:26business, not the business I wanted to

23:27be in.

23:28>> So there's probably some advisors that

23:30are better

23:31>> that you need to basically scan out and

23:33say, "All these people were not going to

23:34service because they have a low

23:35likelihood of actually working." And

23:36maybe you need to adjust price to only

23:37accommodate those people and that newer

23:39avatar that's better. So this isly an

23:41avatar issue. And then obviously the ops

23:43on the back end in terms of activation

23:44is what do oh yeah that's the third

23:46bucket the behaviors. So what do the

23:48people who have the right demographics

23:50and the right quantifiables what

23:52behaviors did they do that caused them

23:54to activate and stick and what did the

23:56other people who look like them not do

23:58and then that becomes the activation

23:59process we reverse engineer.

24:01>> Makes sense. Quick last question. How

24:03did you how did you optimize for for

24:05time to value your launch? And how can

24:07we potentially do something similar?

24:09Because for us deal cycles are

24:10>> Yeah. We'd email their list. if they

24:11make a sale in the first seven days.

24:13>> Okay, so just reactivation. Okay, sweet.

24:15Appreciate you.

24:16>> If you're doing a million dollars or

24:18more a year and you'd like to get to 10

24:21million or $100 million, I can promise

24:23you absolutely none of that. But what I

24:26can do is create an environment where

24:28you can actually talk to other business

24:29owners and players within those

24:31businesses that are doing those numbers.

24:33And for me personally, the big

24:35breakthroughs that I had in my business

24:37was when I came in with an open mind and

24:39was like, I don't know what I don't

24:40know. And so you probably have one of

24:42those like how do I get my content to

24:43scale? How do I recruit these first

24:45sales people? How do I recruit my 20th

24:46or my sal my VP of sales or director of

24:48sales? Every single level of this game

24:50has more complexity than the last. And

24:53so if that sounds at all interesting,

24:54I'd love to invite you out to our

24:55headquarters for two days to talk to me

24:57and the team, director of sales,

24:58director of marketing, director of

25:00strategy, director of ops, director of

25:02investment, all the people that who

25:03actually run our portfolio

25:05atacquisition.com. And as a bonus, all

25:07the other business owners in the room

25:08are doing a million dollars plus. And

25:10yeah, so this is your invitation. So if

25:12that sounds interesting, click book call

25:13if it's a good fit.

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