"HO SPARATO A MR. THOMPSON" - IL CASO MANGIONE - PARTE 2

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2:00begin with today's case . Yes . In the

2:30city of New York . At a certain point ,

2:32flyers start appearing . They are

2:35attached to walls , light poles , and

2:37outside offices . On these papers , there

2:41is a huge word written in red : " WANTED .

2:45" And underneath are photos and names

2:49of healthcare executives : Thomas

2:52Halloran , Eder Cianfrocco , Andrew Witty

2:55, and then a sentence : " No healthcare

2:58CEO is safe . " There is also one with

3:02the face of Brian Thompson , but over

3:05his face is a big red X. After his

3:07murder , therefore , someone starts

3:10pointing fingers at other faces , as if

3:12to say , " You could be next . " In a short

3:17time , panic spreads within the

3:18companies , and security measures are

3:20increased . Some CEOs are taking their

3:23photos down from official websites ,

3:25while others are even hiring personal

3:28bodyguards . But at the same time ,

3:30something singular is happening .

3:33According to lawyer Joseph Seideman ,

3:35after the murder of Brian Thompson ,

3:37there is an atmosphere of fear inside

3:39UnitedHealthcare , and not only there .

3:42Some employees , he declares , are even

3:45afraid to sign the letters denying

3:48insurance coverage . No one wants to

3:52take responsibility for saying no

3:53anymore . And so , a specific question

3:56has started circulating on the web . If

4:00for a period no one wants to put their

4:03name under a denial , if this has made

4:06it harder to deny care , is it possible

4:09that Luigi Mangione saved more lives

4:12than he took ? So , this episode is part

4:18two of the series on the Luigi Mangione

4:21case . If you haven't seen the first

4:24part , I suggest you do because

4:26otherwise you'll have a hard time

4:28understanding , as I won't be doing a

4:30summary and we will pick up exactly

4:32where we left off , namely that Luigi

4:35Mangione has been arrested and the

4:37charges against him are brought by

4:39three different entities , let's say .

4:43The state of Pennsylvania for firearm

4:46possession and the issue of the fake

4:48document , because he was there when he

4:51showed the fake ID to the police ; New

4:54York State regarding the murder charges

4:57; and the U.S. federal government

4:59regarding practically the same things ,

5:02charges of murder and stalking

5:04resulting in death . This means that

5:08three different trials will take place

5:10against him . This is causing a lot of

5:14debate because it is not something very

5:17common , or rather , it is true that

5:19every state has its own laws and he

5:22committed some crimes in the state of

5:24New York and others in Pennsylvania ;

5:27the fact that he crossed state lines

5:29while committing a crime , or with the

5:32intent to commit a crime , plus the

5:34terrorism charges , categorize it as a

5:36federal case . But a trial is a

5:40significant drain on resources , time ,

5:43but above all , money . Many think that

5:46it is not necessary to have three

5:49separate trials for what is essentially

5:51a single matter , especially when the

5:53New York State charges and the federal

5:56ones are so incredibly similar , as they

5:58concern the same crime . According to

6:02some , in fact , it is as if they are

6:05fighting over Luigi Mangione , as if

6:07everyone wants a piece of him , as if

6:09they have to prove something to someone

6:12. On December 19 , 2024 , Luigi is

6:26extradited from Pennsylvania to New

6:28York and his arrival in Manhattan is

6:31nothing short of cinematic . A " perp

6:35walk " is actually organized for him .

6:39Let me explain what that is because I

6:41only discovered its existence with this

6:43case . I had never seen one before . "

6:47Perp walk " is short for perpetrator

6:49walk , a parade for the accused , even

6:52though at this point in the story , no

6:55one has been found guilty yet .

7:00Basically , it’s a show , a show for

7:02the media and the public , where the

7:05detainee is marched out in handcuffs ,

7:08usually surrounded by armed guards , to

7:11show everyone they’ve been arrested

7:14and that justice is working . It’s a

7:18way to send a message , and yes , it is

7:20exactly as trashy as it sounds . Luigi

7:23Mangione , in fact , gets off the

7:26helicopter dressed in an orange prison

7:28jumpsuit , handcuffed and surrounded by

7:31a phalanx of armed officers . Even the

7:36mayor of New York at the time , Eric

7:38Adams , attended this parade , which is

7:40strange , because usually , mayors don't

7:43attend these things or supervise the

7:45transfer of prisoners , but Adams wanted

7:48to make an exception for Mangione , and

7:51there’s a reason for that . He says it

7:54himself in an interview with WPIX News .

8:00He says , " I wanted to look him in the

8:01eye and say , ' You committed this

8:03terrorist act in my city , the city New

8:05Yorkers love , ' and I wanted to be there

8:08to show the symbolic meaning of this

8:10gesture . " Afterward , Mayor Adams even

8:32posted images of the perp walk on his

8:35social media , writing that those who

8:38bring illegal weapons into our city

8:40will face justice . But as noted in a

8:44New York Times article , this initiative

8:47drew a lot of criticism , especially

8:49considering the fact that he himself

8:52was under federal indictment at the

8:54time and even had to appear before the

8:57same judge that Mangione later appeared

9:00before , Judge Katherine Parker , to

9:02defend himself against corruption and

9:05fraud charges . But setting that aside ,

9:10I tried looking for other photos of

9:13other perp walks , and I couldn't find a

9:16single one of this magnitude — I mean ,

9:19with all these armed guards around the

9:22perp . There’s a Reddit thread that

9:28points out how Luigi had many more

9:31armed guards around him than Timothy

9:34McVeigh , who , with his 1995 Oklahoma

9:38City bombing , took the lives of 168

9:41people , including 19 children .

9:57Regardless of everything , the perp walk

9:59is just something that , in my opinion ,

10:01is wrong for so many reasons . First of

10:03all , it’s something born in a

10:06different era , a time when the idea was

10:08to exhibit the criminal , humiliate them

10:11publicly , and show that the state was

10:14stronger . Today , however , something

10:17like this is extremely risky and

10:20prejudicial , especially because we live

10:22in a world where an image is worth more

10:25than any verdict , where a photograph

10:28circles the globe in minutes , where

10:30public perception can decide a person's

10:33fate before the trial even begins . The

10:37presumption of innocence is a legal

10:39principle . Everyone is innocent until

10:42proven guilty . But if you parade an

10:45alleged innocent person in handcuffs ,

10:47dressed as a prisoner with 800 machine

10:49guns around him , you are sending a

10:51visual message that says exactly the

10:52opposite . But all of this only

10:56strengthens the support that has now

10:59been created around Luigi Mangione .

11:13Guys , this is the craziest thing I've

11:15ever seen in my life . I know . Oh my god

11:21. These windows are so dirty . See him

11:26in the orange jumpsuit ? He's in the

11:27orange jumpsuit . Oh my god . You're

11:29doing great , baby . Oh , we love you . If

11:34I knew I would have mad I know .

11:37Seriously . Oh my god . Supporters , in

11:55fact , are growing in number and they

11:57are not just girls , as some tend to

11:59simplify , and they don't support him

12:01for aesthetic reasons . The truth , as we

12:05explained at length in the first part ,

12:08is that healthcare in the United States

12:10is a deeply felt , complex issue , loaded

12:13with frustration and anger accumulated

12:15over the years . In this context , the

12:26support arising around Mangione is not

12:29necessarily about the act he is accused

12:32of ; it is about the idea of a system

12:34perceived as unfair , about the desire

12:37for change and , obviously , the media

12:40perp walk . The mayor right there in the

12:45middle and the three different

12:47proceedings don't help , that is , they

12:49lead people to think that when the

12:52victim is a powerful billionaire ... the

12:54State's response is of a certain type ,

12:57more immediate , more visible , stronger ,

12:59and this is not fair because in the

13:02United States murders happen every day ,

13:05brutal murders , women killed by

13:07partners , people who disappear in total

13:09silence , and you rarely see a spectacle

13:13of this kind . Rarely is there a mayor

13:16walking behind the defendant . Rarely is

13:18such a powerful , symbolic image created

13:22. And it is precisely in those

13:25differences that support is born , and

13:27as I was saying , it is not necessarily

13:29support for the act , it is support for

13:31what that story represents for those

13:34who have felt ignored , crushed , for the

13:37invisibles for years . issue there are

13:57377 homicide cases that happened in New

13:59York City in 2024 and this is the only

14:02one involving the death penalty , you

14:04wait until Luigi does that in order to

14:07talk about how many people are in need

14:09and dying because of health , you wait

14:12for him . The media , let's go , tell the

14:16truth . Stop gaslighting people . We

14:19don't know what the evidence says . We

14:21don't know if he did this . Sometimes

14:23when people come out to support this ,

14:25they try to turn this misogynistically

14:27into some sort of fandom . Um , what we

14:30have here are two distinct battles , and

14:31the prosecution is trying to confuse

14:33them . The first one is the right to a

14:36fair trial , right , inalienable human

14:38rights . The second part that we're

14:39dealing with is health , and that is the

14:41right to life that we have here in

14:42America . Living in a country without

14:44public healthcare , yeah , how is it ?

14:48It's , it's horrible . I mean , like my

14:50dad still pays for my insurance .

14:53Finding care , medical care , is like

14:55impossible if you don't have good

14:57insurance . Yeah . Normal people . Other

15:15countries , United Nations . We have , we

15:21are the only highly developed nation

15:24without public health . Hear me ,

15:28Americans , what human rights are we

15:30really fighting for , and what kind of

15:32country do we want to continue to see ?

15:37Just . Accepting a government just

15:41waiting for all of us to die is not

15:43correct . Then , when the photos of

16:01Mangione's arrest are released , the

16:03situation does not improve . In the

16:07photo , in fact , you can see a large

16:09stain on his jeans as if he had

16:11urinated on himself . Supporters react

16:14immediately . According to many of them ,

16:17it is yet another demonstration of

16:19inhumane treatment towards him . As we

16:21know , Luigi suffered from spondylitis ,

16:24a back condition that can also cause

16:27incontinence problems . The comments

16:31multiply . There are those who talk

16:33about abuses of power , those who claim

16:36that in certain cases the police use

16:38humiliation as a tool of pressure

16:40during interrogations , leading people

16:42to beg to be allowed to go to the

16:44bathroom and then denying it to them .

16:47In a few hours , that image becomes yet

16:49another element around which the debate

16:51polarizes . In any case , the lawyers who

16:54will follow Luigi's trials in New York

16:56are appointed , and they are Mark and

16:58Karen Agnifilo and Jacob Kaplan . And if

17:02you think you've already heard the name

17:04Agnifilo , which I would pronounce

17:07Agnifilo , but they pronounce it

17:08Agnifilo , so I'll say it the way they

17:11say it , it's probably because you

17:13followed the P. Diddy case , because

17:15Mark Agnifilo specifically was his

17:17lawyer . An official website is also

17:21created , managed by the defense team ,

17:23where you can find updates on hearings ,

17:26documents filed in court , official

17:28press releases , and clarifications

17:30regarding the information circulating

17:33online — a sort of narrative control

17:35center — and on this site , we also find

17:38a " contribute " section . In fact , a

17:42legal fund is created where people can

17:45donate money so that Luigi can pay for

17:48his lawyers and cover the defense costs

17:51for the three ongoing proceedings . And

17:55you might say , " But why set up a fund ?

17:57Wasn't his family super wealthy ? " Well ,

18:02the situation regarding his family is

18:03not clear . Nothing is known , in the

18:06sense that his parents have never

18:08attended his hearings , and it is

18:10unclear if they are in contact , if they

18:13go to visit him , and consequently , if

18:15they are paying for his lawyers . The

18:19only public statement his parents

18:21released after his arrest was through

18:23their lawyer , and they stated these

18:25words . Our family is shocked and

18:28devastated by Luigi's arrest . We offer

18:31our prayers to Brian Thompson's family

18:33and ask everyone to pray for all those

18:35involved . But it doesn't matter if the

18:38family is paying for his lawyers or not

18:40, because do you know how much money

18:42supporters have donated to Luigi

18:44Mangione's Legal Fund ? I'll look it up

18:48live with you today , and by today , I

18:51mean the moment I am recording this

18:54part , so August 20th , if I'm not

18:57mistaken . As of today , the figure they

19:03have reached is 1,567,403 . Needless to

19:11say , in addition to receiving a lot of

19:14money , Luigi also receives many , many

19:16letters from his supporters . He

19:19receives hundreds every single day , and

19:22to ensure people know he has received

19:25them all , he keeps a kind of catalog , a

19:28binder where he basically logs every

19:31letter he receives ; that is , he writes

19:34down the zip code and the initials of

19:37the sender for each one , and he updates

19:40this catalog every so often , which can

19:42always be found in a dedicated section

19:45on his site . As of today , there are

19:50about 80 , perhaps more than 80 pages of

19:53this catalog , and each of these pages

19:55contains at least a hundred logged

19:57letters , so you do the math . Anyway ,

20:09let's get back to our story . Luigi

20:11Mangione is in prison ; he is held at

20:14the MDC , the Metropolitan Detention

20:16Center , the prison that , by the way ,

20:19holds all the most famous criminals in

20:21the world , practically , because P.

20:23Diddy , Maduro , the former president of

20:26Venezuela , Ghislaine Maxwell are

20:28detained there , and as I told you ,

20:30Luigi has some of the best lawyers one

20:33could have . He has pleaded not guilty .

20:38So now we just have to enter the cycle

20:40of the various hearings where things

20:41will come out that were not known

20:43before . So , let's talk about the

20:47federal trial , which is , let's say , the

20:49most important one , if only because

20:51it's the trial where Luigi risks the

20:53death penalty if he were to be

20:54convicted . The death penalty , in fact ,

20:58is not provided for in the New York

21:01trial nor in the Pennsylvania one ,

21:03because in both states the death

21:05penalty is not legal . At the federal

21:09level , however , the death penalty is

21:12still provided for , and that is why

21:14this proceeding is considered the most

21:17delicate and important ; in particular ,

21:20in this case against Luigi Mangione ,

21:23the death penalty was requested by the

21:25U.S. Attorney General , Pamela Bondi ,

21:28who incidentally , to date , has been

21:31fired by Trump and is no longer

21:34Attorney General due to alleged

21:36mismanagement regarding the files . The

21:40official document requesting the death

21:43penalty states that according to the

21:45United States government , the

21:47circumstances of the crime alleged in

21:49count 3 , namely murder by use of a

21:51firearm , are such that in the event of

21:53a conviction , a death sentence would be

21:56justified . And the aggravating factors

22:00of the count are also specified , which

22:02are those that would justify the death

22:05sentence . I will list them for you ,

22:07there are five . The first is grave risk

22:09of death to other persons . Mangione , in

22:12committing the crime , allegedly

22:13knowingly created a grave risk of death

22:16for one or more persons other than the

22:18victim of the crime . This means that ,

22:21having killed Brian Thompson in the

22:23middle of the street , he could have

22:24wounded other people . Two , substantial

22:27planning and premeditation . Mangione

22:30allegedly committed the crime after

22:32substantial planning and premeditation

22:34to cause the death of a person . Three .

22:37Impact on the victim . Mangione

22:39allegedly caused injury , harm , and loss

22:41to the family , friends , and colleagues

22:43of Brian Thompson . Four . Selection of

22:46the location and the victim for an act

22:48of violence . Mangione allegedly

22:51intentionally killed Brian Thompson ,

22:54CEO of a health insurance company ,

22:56while the victim was heading to an

22:59investor conference to amplify an

23:01ideological message , to maximize the

23:04visibility and impact of the victim's

23:07murder , and to provoke broad resistance

23:09to the health industry . The fifth is

23:13future danger . Mangione allegedly poses

23:17a future danger because he expressed an

23:20intention to target an entire industry

23:23and to rally political and social

23:25opposition to that industry , engaging

23:28in an act of lethal violence , taking

23:30steps to evade law enforcement , fleeing

23:33New York City immediately after the

23:35murder , and crossing state lines armed

23:38with a firearm and a privately made

23:41silencer . Now , obviously , the first

23:45thing Mangione's defense does is

23:48attempt to prevent the government from

23:51seeking the death penalty , and it does

23:54so with a very long motion filed on

23:57April 11 , 2025 , in which it first

23:59points the finger directly at U.S.

24:02Attorney General Pamela Bondi , arguing

24:05that the way the government acted , but

24:08especially communicated , compromised

24:12his right — Luigi's right — to a fair

24:15trial . The central point is this .

24:18According to the defense , Bondi turned

24:21a judicial decision into a political

24:24statement . On April 1 , 2025 , in fact ,

24:44Bondi held a press conference where she

24:47announced , in no uncertain terms , that

24:50she had ordered federal prosecutors to

24:53seek the death penalty against Mangione

24:56, stating she was doing so : " As we

24:58carry out President Trump's agenda to

25:01stop violent crime and make America

25:03safe again . " Make America safe again .

25:09The problem for the defense is that in

25:11all of her speech , a fundamental thing

25:14was never mentioned : the presumption of

25:16innocence . Mangione , at this point in

25:20the story , has not yet been convicted

25:22of anything ; he is a defendant .

25:25Technically and legally , he is innocent

25:27until proven guilty , but this is not

25:29even hinted at , and the press

25:30conference was not an isolated incident

25:33. Just shortly after , on April 6 , 2025 ,

25:37Bondi appeared on Fox News Sunday and

25:40reiterated everything , maintaining the

25:42exact same tone . She says President

25:46Trump's directive is clear : seek the

25:49death penalty whenever possible , and

25:51adds that if there have ever been death

25:54penalty cases , this is undoubtedly one

25:56of them . She also speaks of Mangione as

26:01a man who hunted down and executed a

26:03CEO , a father of two , and adds that she

26:06has received threats herself for

26:08seeking the death penalty , but assures

26:11she will not be stopped or intimidated .

26:20ever a death case . This is one this guy

26:23is charged with hunting down a CEO , a

26:26father of two , a married man , hunting

26:29him down and executing him . Yeah , I

26:33feel like these young people have lost

26:34their way . I was deaths for the death

26:38on someone who is charged with a CEO .

26:43Again , no reference to the presumption

26:46of innocence , only this very strong

26:48language that takes his guilt for

26:51granted . As if that weren't enough ,

26:54Bondi also opened an Instagram account

26:57and , in her first posts , shared a photo

26:59in front of the Department of Justice

27:01seal , writing once again what she had

27:04repeated in previous days : that the

27:06premeditated , cold-blooded murder of

27:08Brian Thompson shocked America and that

27:11, after careful evaluation , she ordered

27:13them to seek the death penalty , in line

27:15with the presidential agenda to stop

27:18violent crime . For Mangione's defense ,

27:22all of this reinforces the idea that

27:25the choice to pursue capital punishment

27:27was presented as a political move , and

27:30such a clear , public , and loaded

27:32communication obviously risks

27:34influencing any potential juror . And

27:38here , friends , the issue goes beyond

27:41Mangione's case ; the point isn't even

27:43whether Mangione is guilty or not ,

27:46because anyone could be in his place —

27:49any citizen could be . The issue , the

27:52real question for American citizens , is

27:54something else and is much bigger . If a

27:58defendant is publicly labeled guilty ,

28:00if the request for the death penalty is

28:02announced as part of a political agenda

28:05, if Mangione cannot have a fair trial ,

28:07can we really be sure that we would

28:09have one ? Luigi’s defense also

28:12insists on another point that is less

28:14high-profile , but very important . At

28:16the beginning , they say , Mangione

28:18wasn't even in the feds ' crosshairs .

28:21The proceedings started only at the

28:23state level , but then something

28:25happened . On December 19 , 2024 , the day

28:29of the famous " perp walk , " instead of

28:31being taken before the New York State

28:34Supreme Court , Luigi was taken — to the

28:36surprise of his lawyers , especially

28:38given the extremely tight timeframe —

28:41before the Federal Court . And look at

28:45that : just the day before , a federal

28:47judge had signed an indictment with

28:49four counts , including the third and

28:52fourth , which are the crucial ones that

28:54carry the death penalty as the maximum

28:56sentence . So , Mangione's defense is

29:00insinuating that the case was pushed to

29:03the federal level precisely to make the

29:05death penalty possible , because at the

29:08state level , as we’ve seen , it would

29:10never have been an option . And since

29:14the new Trump administration has openly

29:17declared that it wants to seek capital

29:19punishment whenever possible , the

29:21defense’s suspicion is this : that the

29:23move to the federal level wasn't

29:25accidental , but a way to reach a result

29:27that New York State alone could never

29:30have achieved , because , as I told you

29:32before , in New York State the death

29:34penalty doesn't exist ; it's illegal .

30:07Then the defense continues by writing

30:09that , according to the law , to justify

30:11the death penalty at the federal level ,

30:14aggravating factors must far outweigh

30:16mitigating ones , and in Mangione’s

30:18case , according to the defense , this is

30:20not the case . The only plausible

30:24aggravating factor , according to the

30:26defense , would be substantial planning

30:28and premeditation . Because the other

30:31alleged aggravating factor , that of

30:33having created a grave risk of death

30:35for other people , is described as

30:37baseless . Mangione allegedly shot at

30:41close range on a semi-deserted street

30:45and is accused of stalking only one

30:48person . On the mitigating side , however

30:51, the defense lists an absolutely

30:53positive personal background for

30:55Mangione . We talked about it in the

30:58first part : a balanced private life , an

31:00excellent academic path , etc. , and they

31:03argue that the case has nothing to do

31:05with other federal capital proceedings

31:07that involve murders committed , for

31:10example , within the scope of drug

31:12trafficking organizations , racketeering

31:14, or terrorism . On May 1st , the defense

31:18then filed a new motion asking that the

31:21murder charge filed by the state grand

31:23jury be dismissed due to double

31:25jeopardy . Double jeopardy is what we

31:29call " ne bis in idem " in Italy , a

31:31principle according to which no one can

31:34be tried twice for the same crime . As I

31:38was saying , in fact , some state and

31:40federal charges are almost identical ,

31:42and therefore two separate trials would

31:44be held . Practically for the same

31:47charges , which not only makes no sense ,

31:49but is also unconstitutional . Karen

31:52Agnifilo writes a very strong statement

31:54: she writes that in 2024 there were

31:57377 murders in New York , but only one ,

32:00that of the UnitedHealthcare CEO , has

32:03generated this tug-of-war between state

32:05and federal prosecutors who seem to be

32:08fighting over the fate of a

32:10twenty-year-old . Furthermore , the

32:14defense also asks that two other

32:16charges against Mangione be dropped ,

32:18namely those of terrorism , because to

32:21speak of terrorism , there must be an

32:23intent to intimidate the civilian

32:25population or influence government

32:27policies . And according to them , the

32:31evidence does not demonstrate this ,

32:33also because the terrorism charge

32:35exists only due to the existence of

32:37that notebook we talked about in part

32:39one , to which the name " manifesto " has

32:42been attributed . A manifesto , let's

32:45remember , is a written declaration that

32:47publicly sets out the intentions ,

32:49motives , or views of the issuer . But

32:53that notebook was found in Mangione’s

32:56backpack and was leaked illegally ; that

32:58is , Luigi did not leak it . Some police

33:02officer photographed the pages and sold

33:05the photos to the press , you see ? He

33:07did not , in fact , leak it . So , as far

33:09as we know , that notebook would have

33:11always remained private . Consequently ,

33:14one cannot speak of a manifesto , and if

33:16one cannot speak of a manifesto , one

33:19cannot speak of terrorism ; one can

33:21speak of murder . On September 16 , 2025 ,

33:28a state hearing takes place at the New

33:31York County Supreme Court , a very

33:33important hearing during which Judge

33:36Gregory Carro dismisses the two

33:38terrorism-related charges , deeming them

33:41legally insufficient . He explains that

33:47the evidence shows , at most , a desire

33:49to send a message against the

33:51healthcare industry , not to intimidate

33:54a population or influence the

33:56government . He even cites his writings ,

33:59the things written in that notebook

34:01where , if you remember , Mangione

34:03explicitly distinguishes himself from

34:05terrorists like the Luna Bomber .

34:08However , the other charges remain ,

34:10including second-degree intentional

34:12murder and weapons-related offenses .

34:15And the Double Jeopardy motion is also

34:18denied . You remember that rule stating

34:21you cannot be tried twice for the same

34:24act , because the defense argued that ,

34:26in essence , the state of New York and

34:29the federal government were trying

34:31Mangione for the same incident . But

34:35this is rejected because in the United

34:38States there is a principle called dual

34:41sovereignty . It means that the state

34:45and the federal government are two

34:47distinct sovereign entities . Each has

34:50its own laws , its own interests to

34:52protect , and its own authority .

34:54Therefore , if the same act violates

34:57both state and federal laws , it can be

35:00prosecuted in both systems without this

35:03being considered an illegitimate double

35:06trial . In other words , it is not the

35:09same trial twice , but two different

35:12trials before two different

35:13sovereignties . And that is why Judge

35:16Carro denies the defense's request . So

35:20there will effectively be two separate

35:22trials plus the one in Pennsylvania ,

35:24making it three . Let's talk instead

35:29about the trial in Pennsylvania , which

35:31we haven't discussed yet , but there is

35:33a reason for that . As I was telling you

35:36, Mangione is in New York , currently

35:38detained at the MDC in Brooklyn , and

35:40the hearings for the Pennsylvania trial

35:43, for obvious reasons , take place in

35:45Pennsylvania , and Luigi Mangione wants

35:47to be physically present at these

35:50hearings , as is right . In the United

35:54States , the defendant's right to be

35:56present at their own trial and hearings

35:59is guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment ,

36:01which protects the right to a fair

36:03trial . And it is also guaranteed by the

36:07Due Process Clause of the Fifth and

36:09Fourteenth Amendments . Translated ,

36:11connecting remotely is not the same

36:14thing . Being in the courtroom means

36:16being able to speak with your lawyer

36:18without filters , observe reactions , and

36:20understand the atmosphere . In short , it

36:24is something else entirely ; otherwise ,

36:25there wouldn't be an amendment

36:27guaranteeing this right . Yet , in

36:30Mangione's case , for some reason , the

36:32federal government refused his transfer

36:35for that hearing , proposing virtual

36:37participation instead . And this creates

36:41a stalemate , because the defense

36:43maintains that physical presence is

36:44indeed a constitutional right . The

36:47government , on the other hand , says

36:48that a remote connection should be

36:50sufficient . It’s unclear why . Because

36:52, in fact , this is also

36:53unconstitutional . Regardless , as of

36:55today , this issue has not yet been

36:57resolved . Mangione continues to refuse

37:00to follow the hearings remotely . They

37:03continue to deny him the right to be

37:05transferred , so until they come to an

37:07agreement , the proceedings in

37:09Pennsylvania remain stalled and on hold

37:11. But the fact that they continue to

37:15deny his rights and treat him in an

37:17unconstitutional manner only

37:19strengthens the support network that

37:21has formed around him . But it doesn't

37:23end there . On September 23 , 2025 ,

37:26Luigi's defense filed a letter with the

37:29Court pointing out new public

37:31statements by members of the government

37:34. Specifically , on September 18 , Donald

37:38Trump stated the following on Fox News :

37:41" The fact that Mr. Mangione shot

37:43someone in the back is as clear as I am

37:46looking at you right now . " " He shot him

37:49right in the middle of the back ,

37:50killing him instantly . " And once again ,

38:03the defense returns to the same point :

38:05the presumption of innocence . When the

38:09highest political authorities speak

38:11like this about a defendant before a

38:13conviction , they are practically

38:14stripping all citizens of the right to

38:17a fair trial , not just Mangione . And as

38:20if that weren't enough , during the

38:22subsequent hearings , something comes

38:24out that truly infuriates Mangione’s

38:26supporters and others . It emerges how

38:32his arrest actually unfolded , and the

38:35version that comes out in court is very

38:38different from the one told for months

38:41— the one where these almost heroic

38:43agents had stopped a dangerous

38:46terrorist — because the footage and

38:49testimony show that , once again , the

38:51police acted in a way that the defense

38:54openly defines as unconstitutional . On

38:59October 10 , 2025 , in fact , Mangione's

39:01defense formally filed a motion in

39:03court , asking the Court for a series of

39:06very serious measures . Essentially ,

39:09they argue that the arrest and the

39:11initial stages of the interrogation

39:13were handled illegitimately and ask

39:15that a fundamental portion of the

39:17evidence be excluded from the trial . In

39:21the document filed in court , the

39:22lawyers make three main requests . The

39:26first is the dismissal of two counts

39:29contained in the indictment , counts 3

39:31and 4 , which are two charges related to

39:34the use of a firearm and stalking

39:36during the alleged crimes . And the

39:40reason why the defense is asking for

39:42these two counts to be dismissed is

39:44very simple . These are the very counts

39:48that make the case eligible for the

39:51death penalty . If the judge decides to

39:55remove them from the indictment , the

39:57death penalty would automatically be

39:59off the table , and Mangione would no

40:01longer risk being sentenced to death .

40:05The second request the defense is

40:07making concerns the evidence found in

40:10Mangione’s backpack , which they claim

40:12was searched without a warrant .

40:15Therefore , they are asking to exclude

40:17this evidence for that reason . And not

40:20only was Mangione supposedly searched

40:22without a warrant , but according to

40:25this document , on the day of his arrest

40:27, he was allegedly questioned by the

40:30Altoona police without being read his

40:32rights — or rather , they were read to

40:34him after more than 20 minutes . In fact

40:38, the defense's third request is that

40:41the statements made by Mangione during

40:43those 20 minutes also be excluded from

40:46the trial . But I want to go into the

40:48details of this document and the

40:50dynamics of the arrest because it will

40:52be extremely important in the trial . So

40:55, the document describes step by step

40:57what really happened during Mangione's

40:59arrest . And at this point in the story ,

41:03this is the first time these details

41:05have been released , obviously thanks to

41:08the police bodycam footage that

41:10recorded everything . Of course , they

41:13record everything when they aren't

41:14covered or turned off for no apparent

41:16reason , but that is another matter we

41:18will get to shortly . Anyway , this is

41:20the actual sequence of events . As we

41:24already mentioned in the first part ,

41:26the Altoona police were called by the

41:28manager of the Altoona McDonald's , who

41:30reported the presence of a suspicious

41:32man who looked like the wanted suspect

41:34who shot Brian Thompson . Officers

41:37Joseph Detweiler and Tyler Fry appeared

41:40on the scene and approached Mangione ,

41:42who was sitting at a tucked-away table

41:45eating his hash browns . A table

41:48positioned against two walls . So

41:51Mangione had the table in front of him ,

41:53and then behind him and to his left , he

41:55had the wall . He had literally cornered

41:58himself . I’ll read verbatim from the

42:01document so I can't distort anything .

42:03Officers Detweiler and Fry positioned

42:05themselves to the right of Mr. Mangione

42:07, blocking his only exit from the table

42:09, given that he was already surrounded

42:11by two walls and a table . Officer

42:13Detweiler first asked Mr. Mangione to

42:15lower his mask , then asked for his name

42:17. Detweiler told him that someone had

42:19called the police because they found

42:21him suspicious . Both officers were

42:23fully armed , and their weapons were

42:25clearly visible . After asking to see

42:27identification , Mangione allegedly

42:29handed over a New Jersey driver's

42:31license in the name of Mark Rosario ,

42:33and Detweiler asked him if he was from

42:35New Jersey and if he had recently been

42:37to New York . As Mangione prepares to

42:39eat his food , Detweiler moves even

42:41closer and asks him what he was doing

42:43in New York . But before Mangione can

42:45even respond , Detweiler orders him to

42:47stand up and put his hands over his

42:49head , grabbing his right wrist and

42:50pulling him up . Detweiler asks him why

42:53he is nervous while searching him . He

42:55then orders him to sit back down at the

42:58table and tells Officer Fry to talk to

43:00Mangione , gesturing for him to move in

43:02closer to reinforce that Mangione

43:05cannot leave . But as the videos show ,

43:07Mangione is cooperative and complies

43:09with every request . While Officer Fry

43:12effectively keeps Mangione in custody

43:14by standing next to him and blocking

43:16any possible exit , Officer Detweiler

43:18goes outside to call another officer ,

43:21telling him he is 100 % sure that

43:22Mangione is the person wanted in

43:24connection with the December 4 , 2024 ,

43:27shooting in New York . Detweiler

43:30re-enters the McDonald's and continues

43:32questioning Mangione , asking him again

43:34if he is from New Jersey , what he is

43:35doing in Altoona , and if he has been in

43:37New York recently . Although Detweiler

43:41has already decided that Mangione is

43:43the New York shooting suspect , he tells

43:44Mangione , as a pretext for the police

43:46interaction , that they are there

43:48because Mangione has been at the

43:50McDonald's for 40 minutes . Fry remains

43:53in his strategic position blocking the

43:55exit , while Detweiler continues the

43:57interrogation . At 9:41 , 12 minutes

43:59after the first contact with Mangione ,

44:01Detweiler moves a backpack from the

44:03floor where Fry is blocking the passage

44:06, taking it to a spot out of Mangione's

44:08reach . Over the next minute , five more

44:11armed , uniformed officers enter the

44:13back area of the McDonald's where

44:15Mangione is now trapped . Detweiler

44:18orders another officer to position

44:20himself next to Fry , forming a kind of

44:22armed human wall that traps Mangione in

44:24the back of the restaurant . He then

44:28goes back outside to talk to other

44:29officers and confirm that Mangione

44:31matches the description of the New York

44:32suspect . When Detweiler re-enters the

44:36McDonald's at 9:45 , three officers are

44:37surrounding Mangione , and his backpack

44:39is about 2 meters away from him on a

44:41table , with two officers positioned

44:43between Mangione and the backpack . At

44:469:46 , with eight officers now present ,

44:48another officer asks Detweiler if he

44:51has read Mangione his rights , as

44:53required by the 1966 Supreme Court

44:55decision in Miranda v . Arizona . And

44:59when Detweiler replies that he has not ,

45:01the other officer tells him to inform

45:03Mangione that he is under official

45:05investigation and to read him his

45:06rights . Detweiler tells Mangione that

45:09he is under official investigation and

45:11that he will be arrested for providing

45:13false information if he provides a fake

45:15ID again . However , he does not read him

45:17his rights despite the instructions

45:20received . Detweiler then continues the

45:22interrogation without reading his

45:24rights , asking if his name is Mark

45:25Rosario . Mangione answers no . Detweiler

45:29then asks for his real name and date of

45:31birth , which Mangione provides . Another

45:33officer asks him twice why he lied

45:35about his name . Here , although it is

45:38not written in the document , it seems

45:40that Luigi answered this question by

45:42saying he clearly shouldn't have done

45:44it . Meaning , he replies something like :

45:45" I clearly shouldn't have lied . " At

45:47that point , nine officers surround

45:49Mangione and block his exit from

45:51McDonald's . At 9:48 , nearly 20 minutes

45:54after the first police contact and

45:56after numerous interrogation questions ,

45:58Officer Steven Fox finally reads

46:00Mangione his rights . After explaining

46:03his constitutional right to remain

46:05silent , Fox asks if he wants to talk to

46:07the police , but Mangione exercises his

46:09right to silence and says he does not

46:11want to speak with law enforcement . Fox

46:14tells him he is not in custody at this

46:16moment , despite there being 10 officers

46:18in the back of the McDonald's and

46:20Mangione clearly being surrounded and

46:22not free to leave . Fox then asks him

46:25why he has a false identity . Mangione

46:27does not respond . Fox orders him to

46:30stand up and put his hands against the

46:32wall to be searched , and as the videos

46:34show , Mangione obeys all directives . At

46:379:50 , about 90 seconds after telling

46:40Mangione he is not in custody , Fox

46:42handcuffs him and searches him

46:44thoroughly again . Mangione remains

46:47standing , handcuffed and surrounded by

46:49officers , while they wait for his

46:50identity to be verified . At 9:54 ,

46:53Detweiler leaves McDonald's to discuss

46:55the identification with another officer

46:57. During this conversation , he covers

47:00the bodycam with his hand for about 20

47:02seconds , preventing the camera from

47:04recording . At 9:58 , some officers begin

47:07searching Mangione's jacket and pockets

47:10again . At the same time , Officer

47:12Christi Wasser and Officer Fox begin

47:15searching the backpack that the police

47:17had moved to a table out of Mangione's

47:19reach over 17 minutes earlier . During

47:23this warrantless search , Wasser opens

47:25the backpack and fully checks all of

47:27its compartments and contents ,

47:29including closed bags inside the

47:31backpack , while Mangione is handcuffed

47:33and surrounded by officers . Fox finds a

47:36small object wrapped in cardboard and

47:39duct tape . He opens it with a knife and

47:41finds a computer chip . The officers

47:44continue the warrantless search of the

47:46backpack , even after Mangione is taken

47:48away from McDonald's and transferred to

47:49the police station . During this search ,

47:54Wasser finds a pistol magazine with

47:56rounds and , realizing the potential

47:58mistake of searching a murder suspect's

48:01backpack without a warrant , Wasser

48:03suddenly declares that she is checking

48:05it to make sure there isn't a bomb or

48:08something similar . Shortly after ,

48:11another officer says : " Now that we

48:13found this , let's take it to the

48:15station . " Wasser puts the items back in

48:17the backpack and stops the search . At

48:2010:04 AM , Wasser leaves McDonald's with

48:22the backpack . But something very

48:26important happens here , because for 11

48:29minutes there is no bodycam footage of

48:32Officer Chrissy Wasser while she drives

48:36to the police station . So the officers ,

48:40while transporting Mangione's backpack

48:42to the police station , turned off their

48:45bodycams for 11 minutes . At 10:16 AM ,

48:48one minute after arriving at the

48:50station , Wasser resumes the warrantless

48:53search of the backpack . She opens a

48:56compartment , closes it , and opens the

48:58front one as if she were looking for

48:59something specific , and finds a gun

49:01there . After finding the weapon , Wasser

49:05says again that at the McDonald's she

49:06was checking the backpack to ensure

49:08there were no bombs , but she does not

49:10explain why she didn't request a

49:11warrant once she arrived at the station

49:13. She then continues to search the

49:17backpack in the station hallway without

49:19a warrant , finding a silencer , a red

49:21notebook with personal writings , other

49:23documents , a computer chip , an iPhone ,

49:25and several USB drives . More than 7

49:29hours later , at 5:14 PM , the Altoona

49:32police finally request a search warrant

49:35. They request authorization to search

49:39and seize the same items that the

49:41police had already searched and seized

49:44that morning . So the gun , the silencer ,

49:47the notebook that was defined as a

49:50manifesto , and the other items like the

49:53USB drives and the iPhone — the

49:55contents of which are still unknown to

49:58this day — were found primarily

50:00illegally , as the result of a

50:02warrantless search , but above all , they

50:05were found after the police bodycams

50:07had been turned off . And I remind you

50:11that bodycams exist for a reason ; they

50:14serve to record interactions between

50:16police and citizens , creating video

50:18evidence of what happens during

50:20encounters . They are for transparency ,

50:23evidence collection , and accountability

50:26, so that facts can be reconstructed

50:28and disputes over what really happened

50:30can be avoided . Therefore , as is to be

50:33expected , Mangione's defense is asking

50:35to exclude from the trial the contents

50:37of the backpack found by searching it

50:39without a warrant , but especially after

50:41the cameras were , in fact , turned off

50:43for 11 minutes . Because what happened

50:46in those 11 minutes ? Who can tell us ,

50:48and how can we be sure it's the truth ?

50:52Meanwhile , while newspapers and

50:54politicians describe Mangione as a

50:56monster , a dangerous terrorist , and a

50:59cold-blooded killer , a very different

51:01image of him is emerging from inside

51:03the prison . In fact , it is reported

51:08that Mangione is a model prisoner , a

51:10point of reference for other inmates

51:13and even the guards , so much so that he

51:16earned the nickname " The Ambassador , "

51:19because , apparently , he helps new

51:21inmates when they arrive : he explains

51:24how prison life works , how to get food ,

51:27how to use the phone , and what

51:30behaviors to avoid . This brings us to

51:54the latest hearings we attended , which

51:57were actually suppression hearings —

52:00preliminary hearings where the judge

52:02decides whether certain evidence can be

52:05used in the trial or not . So , in this

52:10hearing , they are theoretically

52:13supposed to decide the start date of

52:16the trial and discuss ... ... basically

52:21excluding or dismissing two charges

52:23against Mangione , count 3 and count 4 .

52:26The defense will have 30 minutes , and

52:28the prosecution will have 30 minutes .

52:30This is a federal hearing for the

52:31federal trial , which therefore includes

52:32the possibility of the death penalty .

52:34So , the death penalty is still on the

52:35table .

52:37Yes , the death penalty is still on the

52:38table , and that is why they are trying

52:40to dismiss these charges . They let in a

52:43group of the public , some supporters .

52:47Press access is separate ; there is a

52:50separate hallway . We arrived early ,

52:52registered at 7:00 AM , and now , at

52:5410:30 AM , we will go in ourselves .

52:57The first hearing we attended was on

52:59January 9 , 2026 , and it concerned the

53:02famous illegally searched backpack .

53:09During the hearing , Luigi's defense

53:11explains to Judge Margaret Garnett that

53:14the backpack and consequently its

53:16contents , as we mentioned before ,

53:19should not be admitted as evidence at

53:21trial . Remember , these are preliminary

53:25hearings ; the trial has not started yet

53:27because , specifically , it was seized

53:29and searched illegally . However , the

53:33judge reasons with them and says that

53:35it is normal that they took and

53:37searched the backpack , because what

53:39were they supposed to do ? Leave it

53:41there ? I mean , Mangione was alone ,

53:43there was no one else to leave this

53:45backpack with . The backpack was his ; he

53:47was asked about it . And from the moment

53:50he was placed under arrest , it is

53:52normal that the backpack was also

53:54recovered and searched by the officers .

53:57There is a bit of back-and-forth

53:59between the defense and the judge on

54:01this point , but no real decision is

54:03reached . In fact , the defense proposes

54:07setting a hearing dedicated exclusively

54:09to the backpack issue , and at that

54:11moment , Judge Garnet doesn't say yes or

54:13no , but reserves the right to think

54:15about it . Then we move on to the famous

54:19charges 3 and 4 , the ones that bring

54:22the case under capital punishment ,

54:24which the defense asked to have

54:26dismissed . From here , the hearing

54:30becomes very , very technical because

54:32you should know that in American trials

54:35, there's this practice of continually

54:38citing past cases similar to the one

54:41being discussed . In the United States .

54:43Indeed , the legal system functions

54:45largely through so-called precedents .

54:48In practice , they look at decisions

54:50made in similar cases in previous years

54:52to understand how the law should be

54:54interpreted in the current case as well

54:56. That is , past rulings become binding

55:00for cases of the present and the future

55:02. So , if in similar past cases that

55:05specific charge was not brought or the

55:08death penalty was not deemed applicable

55:10, then it becomes much harder to argue

55:13that it should be in the Mangione case .

55:17So for hours , let's say the defense and

55:19the prosecution went back and forth

55:21with the judge , citing various past

55:23cases and various past rulings . And it

55:27was obviously all very technical and

55:29difficult to follow , not just for me ,

55:31but actually also for many journalists

55:33present whom I chatted with in the

55:35bathroom after the hearing . But

55:38surprisingly , a few days later , Judge

55:40Garnet agrees to add an extra hearing

55:43to discuss the backpack issue . Do you

55:46remember ? She had said : " I'll think

55:47about it " and . Then , a few days later ,

55:50she decided yes , and decided to call an

55:52Altuna police officer to testify ,

55:55almost in the capacity of a consultant :

55:57that is , an officer from that police

56:00department , but obviously unrelated to

56:02the case and not present on the day of

56:05Mangione's arrest to avoid conflicts of

56:07interest , who can explain in detail the

56:10correct procedures to follow during an

56:12arrest , so as to determine once and for

56:16all whether the officers behaved

56:18according to the rules that day or not .

56:22So , it's 0 ° C , feels like -8 ° C .

56:27This morning we went to register to be

56:29able to enter the courtroom , and there

56:32was actually no one outside , whereas

56:34last time on the 9th , when it was

56:36definitely warmer , there was already a

56:39line of people who had slept there in

56:41front . I passed by last night and there

56:44was no one there anyway , because the

56:46temperature this morning was 8 , feels

56:47like , last night it was minus 11 . It

56:52was truly impossible to think about

56:53spending the night out there with the

56:55cold there was .

56:59This hearing takes place on January 23 ,

57:012026 . We also attended this one , and

57:05Officer Nathan Snyder , deputy chief of

57:07the Altuna police , is called to the

57:09stand to testify . His task is precisely

57:13, uh , to explain to the Court what the

57:16standard police procedures are when an

57:18arrest is made , particularly when a

57:21suspect has personal items with them ,

57:23as in the case of Mangione and his

57:25backpack . Snyider , uh , then describes

57:28the rules that officers should , in

57:31theory , follow . An arrested person's

57:34belongings must be secured , cataloged ,

57:37and registered , and in many cases , they

57:39cannot be searched in detail without a

57:42warrant , unless there are immediate

57:44security concerns . And it is precisely

57:48on this point that the defense focuses ,

57:50because according to them , what

57:52happened with Mangione's backpack did

57:54not follow these procedures . The

57:56hearing , however , concludes after a

57:58couple of hours , and obviously , the

58:00judge makes no decision right then and

58:02there . The last federal hearing is held

58:07on January 30th , the most important one

58:09. In fact , we extended our stay in New

58:12York just to be able to attend . So , the

58:16hearing starts at 11:00 in the morning ,

58:18okay ? But we head over around 7:30 to

58:21get on the , uh , press list to secure a

58:24decent seat in the courtroom . And

58:27around 9:00 in the morning , while we

58:30are still waiting there , I get a

58:32notification because I have alerts set

58:35for the Mangione case . Judge Margaret

58:39Garnett has just filed a document , a

58:42document announcing that she has

58:44officially dismissed counts 3 and 4

58:47against Luigi Mangione , and this means

58:50something very simple . The death

58:54penalty in the federal trial is

58:55officially off the table , but she made

58:57this decision and filed the document

58:59before the start of the hearing , like 2

59:01hours earlier . When we arrive at the

59:04courthouse , in fact , the atmosphere is

59:06very tense . By the way , we went through

59:09security to enter the courthouse

59:11alongside Karen Agnifilo and Mangione's

59:14entire defense team , who , while waiting

59:16in line , shared that they also received

59:18the judge's notification while they

59:21were on their way to court — meaning

59:23not even they knew anything . And while

59:27we were talking about this , we hear

59:30Mangione's supporters cheering at the

59:32news . But only for a second . And one

59:36thing I noticed is that they are keen

59:38on being very respectful precisely

59:40because they want to be taken seriously

59:42, so they cheer in unison for a second

59:44inside the courthouse and then that's

59:46it , silence returns . The hearing begins

59:50at 11:00 , and Luigi Mangione is always

59:52very calm in every hearing . These are

59:56federal hearings , so cameras are not

59:57permitted . There are no photos of him

1:00:00in these hearings , but his demeanor is

1:00:03calm ; he is very serious , attentive ,

1:00:05sometimes takes notes , and is serious

1:00:07even in this specific hearing , despite

1:00:09the fact that there is great news for

1:00:12him , because he no longer faces the

1:00:14death penalty , but he never loses his

1:00:16composure . The judge , during the

1:00:19hearing , reiterates her decision .

1:00:22Counts 3 and 4 against Mangione have

1:00:24been dismissed , so unless the

1:00:26prosecution files an appeal regarding

1:00:29this decision , this is no longer a

1:00:31capital case . To date , the prosecution

1:00:34has not appealed , so it is official

1:00:36that Mangione no longer faces the death

1:00:38penalty ; even if he were to be

1:00:39convicted , the death penalty is simply

1:00:41no longer on the table . The judge also

1:00:44announces her decision regarding the

1:00:46backpack . On this point , she

1:00:49establishes that the backpack and all

1:00:51its contents will be admitted as

1:00:54evidence in the trial , and finally , she

1:00:56also sets possible dates for the start

1:00:59of the trial . Now that the death

1:01:01penalty is off the table , the entire

1:01:03process becomes much faster because

1:01:05capital trials are much more complex

1:01:06and require months of additional

1:01:08preparation . Judge Garnett therefore

1:01:10sets a schedule . Jury selection will

1:01:13begin on September 8 , 2026 , while

1:01:15opening arguments for the trial are

1:01:18scheduled for October 13 , 2026 . There

1:01:22is just one problem , because as soon as

1:01:24Judge Garnett sets these dates for the

1:01:26federal trial , the State of New York

1:01:28intervenes and says , " Wait a minute ,

1:01:30wait a minute , we were here first . "

1:01:35According to state prosecutors , in fact

1:01:37, the state trial must take place

1:01:39before the federal one , remaining

1:01:41perfectly in line with the feeling we

1:01:44have had for months , which is that the

1:01:46two prosecutors are arguing over this

1:01:48case a bit like it were a toy .

1:01:53Initially , Judge Carro , the judge for

1:01:55the state trial , had decided that the

1:01:57state proceedings would begin on June 8

1:02:00, 2026 ; but for Mangione's defense , it

1:02:02would have been humanly impossible to

1:02:05prepare for this trial , the state one ,

1:02:07and then the federal one only a few

1:02:09months later : the state one in June and

1:02:12the federal one in September . So Judge

1:02:16Carro decided on a new schedule . The

1:02:20state trial , or rather , jury selection

1:02:22for the state trial , will begin on

1:02:25September 8 , 2026 , and during this

1:02:27hearing , the one in which Judge Carro

1:02:29established that the state trial will

1:02:32begin in September , Luigi Mangione

1:02:34spoke before being taken out of the

1:02:36courtroom ; he said : " It's the same

1:02:39trial twice , 1 + 1 equals 2 , and double

1:02:41jeopardy by any definition of common

1:02:44sense . " You always remember this double

1:02:48jeopardy , the principle that you cannot

1:02:50be tried twice for the same crime . Then

1:03:08, on May 18 , Judge Carro decided which

1:03:11evidence will be admitted at the state

1:03:14trial : the gun , the famous notebook ,

1:03:17and other items found inside the

1:03:19backpack after Luigi's arrest ; but he

1:03:22excludes from the trial all items found

1:03:25before Luigi was taken away , namely the

1:03:28gun magazine , the cell phone , the

1:03:31passport , and the wallet . Then , in June

1:03:36of this year , 2026 , something bizarre

1:03:40happened that no one really understood :

1:03:43Judge Carro declared that Mangione

1:03:46intends to present a psychiatric

1:03:49defense in the state trial , meaning his

1:03:52lawyers will use the defense that he

1:03:56acted under extreme emotional

1:03:58disturbance at the time of the crime .

1:04:04Too bad that just the next day his

1:04:06lawyers backtracked and informed the

1:04:08same judge that no , they had changed

1:04:10their minds . Mangione does not intend

1:04:13to pursue a psychiatric defense .

1:04:16People's reactions to this somewhat

1:04:18confusing change of direction are

1:04:20equally confused . People do not

1:04:23understand what is happening . On forums

1:04:26like Reddit , people are exchanging

1:04:28opinions on the matter . They wonder why

1:04:31they wanted a psychiatric defense ,

1:04:34since that would still mean assuming

1:04:36Luigi committed the act , essentially an

1:04:39admission of guilt , while he has

1:04:42pleaded not guilty . Many speculate that

1:04:46the defense wants to try to obtain a

1:04:49lighter sentence , such as manslaughter

1:04:51instead of murder , but many are

1:04:53reflecting on something that will be

1:04:55useful shortly , so follow me . Many

1:04:59wonder , if you build a defense in the

1:05:02state trial that basically starts from

1:05:04the assumption that Luigi killed

1:05:07Thomson , what consequences could this

1:05:09have in the federal proceeding and vice

1:05:12versa ; I mean , he has to face two

1:05:15trials with more or less the same

1:05:17charges , right ? But if in one he

1:05:20defends himself by basically saying yes

1:05:23, I did it because I was extremely

1:05:24disturbed , then won't that be used

1:05:26against him in the other trial ? And

1:05:30this is not just paranoia born on

1:05:33Reddit , because Karen Agnifilo herself ,

1:05:36Luigi's lawyer , later raised this issue

1:05:38in court , arguing that making materials

1:05:41related to a possible psychiatric

1:05:44defense public could prejudice Luigi in

1:05:47the other federal trial . In any case ,

1:05:51when the defense suddenly backtracked

1:05:53the following day and announced that ,

1:05:55precisely , they will no longer use this

1:05:58strategy , people inevitably all ask

1:06:00themselves the same question . What

1:06:03happened in those 24 hours ? Did the

1:06:06lawyers change their minds ? Did Luigi

1:06:07change his mind ? Did they face pressure

1:06:10from somewhere ? We don't know . But the

1:06:13real plot twist , friends , happens on

1:06:15August 14th . Essentially , on August

1:06:2212th , Luigi's defense and the federal

1:06:25prosecution jointly filed a rather

1:06:27unusual , and above all , sudden request .

1:06:32They asked Judge Margaret Garnett , the

1:06:35federal trial judge , to schedule a new

1:06:37hearing just two days later , on August

1:06:4014th at 11:00 a.m. They did not

1:06:42publicly explain the reason nor why the

1:06:45request came with such short notice .

1:06:49Obviously , speculation immediately

1:06:52began regarding a possible deal , a plea

1:06:55bargain , and especially a change in

1:06:59Luigi's plea . And indeed , friends , on

1:07:06August 14th Luigi Mangione enters that

1:07:09courtroom and does something he had

1:07:11never done until that moment . He pleads

1:07:15guilty to both federal counts of

1:07:18stalking . At the federal level , he was

1:07:22charged with two counts of stalking

1:07:24resulting in the death of Brian

1:07:26Thompson , but above all , before the

1:07:28judge , he explicitly admits that he was

1:07:31the one who killed him . I will read his

1:07:34exact words to you because , since it is

1:07:36a federal hearing , no videos exist as

1:07:38cameras are not allowed in the

1:07:39courtroom . Luigi asks to remain seated

1:07:43and says these words . After years spent

1:07:47enduring severe pain caused by a back

1:07:49problem , dealing with the obstacles of

1:07:51the health insurance system , and

1:07:54witnessing the similar experiences of

1:07:56countless other people , I discovered

1:07:58that UnitedHealthcare would hold its

1:08:01annual investor conference in New York

1:08:03on December 4 , 2024 , although the

1:08:05precise location had not been made

1:08:07public . I then did some research online

1:08:11about the event . I noticed that the

1:08:14annual conference of the largest

1:08:15American healthcare organization , whose

1:08:18stated mission is to make the

1:08:19healthcare system work better for

1:08:21everyone , would be attended by company

1:08:23executives , the board of directors , and

1:08:25hundreds of investors , not doctors ,

1:08:27nurses , and patients . In November 2024 ,

1:08:31I arrived in Manhattan from outside New

1:08:33York state . I then sent an email to

1:08:37UnitedHealth executives , posing as an

1:08:39investor from a firm managing over 50

1:08:41billion dollars in assets , and asking

1:08:43for information about the conference .

1:08:47Unlike my previous interactions with

1:08:49insurance companies , I received an

1:08:50immediate response within an hour .

1:08:54Before traveling to New York , I used a

1:08:563D printer to make a part for a gun and

1:08:58equipped the weapon with a silencer and

1:09:00a magazine . I traveled to New York and

1:09:04sent that email to UnitedHealthcare

1:09:06with the intention of shooting Brian

1:09:07Thompson . On the morning of December 4 ,

1:09:112024 , I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan ,

1:09:14and he died . In doing so , I was aware

1:09:17that my actions would cause him to fear

1:09:20for his life or suffer serious physical

1:09:22injury . I knew what I was doing was

1:09:25illegal . And then the judge asks him : "

1:09:29Mr. Mangione , how do you plead now to

1:09:31counts one and two of the indictment ? "

1:09:34And he answers : " Guilty . " The judge

1:09:38then informs him that the sentence for

1:09:40this type of crime starts at 292 months

1:09:42, or 24 years and 4 months , and

1:09:44declares she will issue the sentence on

1:09:47December 18th . Luigi Mangione therefore

1:09:51pleads guilty to federal charges of

1:09:54stalking resulting in death . People's

1:09:57reactions are mixed because his

1:10:00confession doesn't end the polarization

1:10:03that has always surrounded him . Some

1:10:07simply see it as the definitive

1:10:10confirmation of his guilt . For others ,

1:10:14it's a desperate or extremely

1:10:16calculated courtroom scene ; but there

1:10:18are those who , even with Luigi

1:10:21explaining in his own words that he

1:10:23planned and committed the murder ,

1:10:25continue to claim he's innocent :

1:10:27arguing he confessed only as part of a

1:10:30strategic move we don't yet know , or

1:10:33worse , because he was forced by

1:10:35pressure from above , political pressure

1:10:37. We've seen how this case has also

1:10:40become a political matter . Hard to like

1:11:04it . First of all , no remorse whatsoever

1:11:07. You know , I'm a human . I'm empathetic

1:11:09. I feel really bad that somebody has

1:11:12to really feel bad for the Thomson

1:11:13family . Um , but you know , it's just

1:11:16unfortunate that , you know , Bri Thomson

1:11:18a system in place and you know , we just

1:11:20need a better system . Do you feel like

1:11:24Bri Thomson's life was the for better

1:11:26use of words like this whole thing come

1:11:29out of it like this the protesting and

1:11:31all that against the health system ? Do

1:11:34you think his life was worth that ? Um

1:11:36in a way it's really unfortunate that

1:11:38someone had to die to spark the

1:11:39conversations that we're now having but

1:11:41unfortunately that's the way it is . His

1:11:44death resulted in us having these tough

1:11:46conversations about health inequality

1:11:48and people suffering in Amer . You feel

1:11:51like it was worth it on that sense ? Not

1:11:53necessarily worth it , but I can

1:11:54understand like the effects that have

1:11:56come from it . But we live in a civil

1:11:58society governed by the rule of law . We

1:12:02debate , we disagree , we protest murder .

1:12:19I read a comment , right under my own

1:12:22post on the topic , in which this person

1:12:24wrote that it's impossible for Luigi to

1:12:27have created the gun with a 3D printer ,

1:12:30because the 3D printer , or at least the

1:12:32software for designing objects to print

1:12:35, has security blocks that prevent the

1:12:37creation of dangerous items , such as

1:12:40weapons . And I'll take this opportunity

1:12:43to explain something I found

1:12:45interesting . The Wired Investigation

1:12:49YouTube channel created the exact same

1:12:52weapon in the exact same way Luigi did .

1:12:56In fact , Luigi didn't print the whole

1:12:58weapon , he says so himself . I printed

1:13:00part of the weapon . He only printed a

1:13:03part , or rather two , because he also

1:13:05printed the silencer . The silencer and

1:13:08then the frame , which is the grip

1:13:11structure , the very part , by the way ,

1:13:13that normally allows for the legal

1:13:16identification of a weapon through the

1:13:19serial number ; so , by 3D printing it ,

1:13:21the gun cannot be traced via a standard

1:13:24serial number . The other parts , all the

1:13:28mechanisms and so on , he simply ordered

1:13:31online from various sites that sell

1:13:33them as spare parts and then assembled

1:13:35everything together . In fact , a gun

1:13:39assembled this way functions

1:13:41differently from a normal weapon . A

1:13:45weapon assembled this way , especially

1:13:48with the silencer , jams . Indeed , if you

1:13:51recall in the video of the Brian

1:13:53Thompson murder , the attacker , whom we

1:13:56now know to be Luigi Mangione , has his

1:13:58gun jam the first time he fires , and he

1:14:00makes a very specific movement with his

1:14:03hands to make it work . It's as if he

1:14:05were giving it a boost , I don't know

1:14:07how else to explain it to you . Well , in

1:14:09the video I mentioned earlier by Wired

1:14:11Investigation , the exact same thing

1:14:12happens to him . The gun jams in the

1:14:16exact same way and it needs to be used ,

1:14:19let's say , in a particular way , exactly

1:14:21as Luigi does in that video ; which

1:14:24would also demonstrate that in order to

1:14:26use it , to still fire five shots in a

1:14:29row after the first jam , he must have

1:14:31trained , he must have practiced a lot ,

1:14:34he must have greatly premeditated this

1:14:36crime . In any case , returning to

1:14:43Luigi's confession , after the hearing

1:14:44ended , his lawyer Karen Agnifilo issued

1:14:46a statement outside the courthouse . I

1:14:49will quote her exact words . Today is a

1:14:52solemn and important day . With

1:14:54today’s guilty plea , Mr. Mangione has

1:14:56taken full responsibility for the death

1:14:58of Brian Thompson . It was a single

1:15:02tragic event , yet he is being tried

1:15:05twice for the same conduct . As Luigi

1:15:09explained in court today , for years he

1:15:11suffered from severe and debilitating

1:15:14pain following a back problem , while

1:15:16trying to navigate our healthcare and

1:15:18health insurance system . Like the

1:15:22thousands of people who contacted us

1:15:24after this tragedy to share their own

1:15:26experiences , he too felt that the

1:15:28system had abandoned him and destroyed

1:15:30his life . Even though this was a single

1:15:33, isolated incident , Mr. Mangione has

1:15:36been treated unfairly from the

1:15:37beginning in every respect . He managed

1:15:41to get the terrorism charges dropped

1:15:43and avoid the death penalty , while at

1:15:45the same time finding himself facing

1:15:47two parallel proceedings in two

1:15:49different jurisdictions that are trying

1:15:51to punish him twice for exactly the

1:15:53same conduct . He has been treated

1:15:56differently than any other defendant

1:15:58accused of this crime in the state of

1:15:59New York . Fortunately , however , New

1:16:02York law does not allow this . New York

1:16:06law does not permit a person to be

1:16:08tried and punished twice for the exact

1:16:10same crime under a rule governing

1:16:12successive prosecutions , also known as

1:16:14the Double Jeopardy law . Today's guilty

1:16:18plea triggers the application of this

1:16:21rule , and we have just filed a motion

1:16:23in State Court explaining why the state

1:16:26charges must be dismissed by virtue of

1:16:28the protections provided by the State

1:16:30of New York against Double Jeopardy .

1:16:34Here we are . So Luigi Mangione pleaded

1:16:37guilty in federal court to get the

1:16:40state charges dropped , avoid the state

1:16:42trial , and therefore be convicted only ,

1:16:45in quotes , of stalking resulting in

1:16:48death . So there is no plea deal as was

1:16:52initially thought . This is a strategy ,

1:16:56but a very risky strategy , friends ,

1:16:58because do you remember when Karen

1:17:01herself said that revealing their state

1:17:04defense strategy publicly could have

1:17:06compromised Mangione's federal trial ?

1:17:10Well , now she is doing practically the

1:17:12same thing herself . Mangione is charged

1:17:15federally with stalking resulting in

1:17:17death , so not with murder . In state

1:17:20court , he is charged with murder . The

1:17:23problem is that by pleading guilty to

1:17:25the stalking charges , he has

1:17:27essentially confessed to the murder ;

1:17:29that is , he didn't say , " Yes , I

1:17:31followed Mr. Thompson , I sought out the

1:17:33conference , I posed as an investor , but

1:17:35then I did nothing . " He said , " I went

1:17:38there , I shot him , I knew he would fear

1:17:41for his life , I was conscious of what I

1:17:43was doing . " So , if Judge Carro , the

1:17:47state judge , does not agree to drop the

1:17:49charges , if he does not believe the

1:17:51case falls under Double Jeopardy law ,

1:17:54not only will Luigi go to trial , but

1:17:56his confession will , in all likelihood ,

1:17:59be used against him in that trial ,

1:18:01because he has already confessed to

1:18:03what he is accused of in a trial that

1:18:06has yet to take place ; but , in reality ,

1:18:08it might not be that way . Or rather ,

1:18:13according to Niama Ramani , who is an

1:18:15attorney and former American federal

1:18:17prosecutor , this strategy might not

1:18:20actually be a winning one . Moreover ,

1:18:24according to him , Luigi's defense has

1:18:26completely cornered the federal

1:18:28prosecutors . Rami literally says the

1:18:31defense set a trap for the feds and

1:18:34they fell for it hook , line , and sinker

1:18:36. And he goes as far as to say this

1:18:40could go down as one of the

1:18:41worst-handled federal prosecutions in

1:18:43American history , because normally in

1:18:45the U.S. there is nothing stopping the

1:18:48state and the federal government from

1:18:50trying someone separately for the same

1:18:52facts . I explained this to you in this

1:18:55very video , right ? There is this dual

1:18:57sovereignty that allows exactly that .

1:19:00But New York State is different ; it

1:19:03works differently because it has a

1:19:05state law that prevents a second

1:19:08prosecution in the state for the same

1:19:11criminal episode . And so , this is the

1:19:13point . The federal stalking charge

1:19:15Luigi just pleaded guilty to is part of

1:19:18the same criminal episode as the murder

1:19:20charge brought by New York State . So

1:19:23those state charges , now that the

1:19:25federal case has concluded because he

1:19:28pleaded guilty , must be dismissed .

1:19:32According to Rami , the feds ' mistake

1:19:34was letting the federal proceeding

1:19:36reach a guilty plea first , because , as

1:19:39he explains , if the state had gone

1:19:41first and then the feds , this double

1:19:43jeopardy problem wouldn't have existed .

1:19:48By letting the federal proceeding go

1:19:50first , they essentially created the

1:19:53problem the defense is now using to try

1:19:56and throw out the murder trial .

1:19:59Obviously , the murder charges are more

1:20:01serious than the stalking charges . And

1:20:03Rami also adds something important .

1:20:06Even if Judge Carro were to reject this

1:20:09motion and the trial were to go ahead

1:20:11anyway , the problem has now been

1:20:14created because if Luigi were convicted

1:20:17, the double jeopardy issue could be

1:20:19raised again on appeal . Anyway , I'm

1:20:23recording this video on August 20th , I

1:20:25think it's the 20th or the — ah no ,

1:20:27it's the 21st . Earlier I said the 20th .

1:20:29It's August 21 , 2026 , and as of today ,

1:20:32this is the information we have . A few

1:20:34days ago , Judge Carro announced he will

1:20:37respond to the defense's motion by

1:20:40October 9th regarding the request to

1:20:43dismiss the charges due to double

1:20:45jeopardy and . Defense attorneys will

1:20:48have until October 30th to respond in

1:20:50turn , and as things stand , the next

1:20:53hearing is set for December 10th ; so he

1:20:56pushed back the hearing , which was

1:20:58scheduled for September 8th , by two

1:21:01months . Today , friends . This is all the

1:21:04information I had on this case .

1:21:07Obviously , new information comes out at

1:21:08any moment , so if there are any updates

1:21:10, I will keep you posted as always . If

1:21:13this trial happens , I will go , we will

1:21:15go . There is no way , apparently , that I

1:21:20can go to New York in months that

1:21:22aren't the coldest in the world , but

1:21:24that's fine . That said , friends , I

1:21:28thank you for spending all this time

1:21:30with me again today and I'll see you in

1:21:32the next video . Bye