Sean Sharaf on 12-Second Gable Steveson KO, Mia Khalifa DM Slide & Manifesting Joe Rogan Interview

0:00Who's the craziest person that you never

0:01expect to hit you up?

0:02>> Mia was definitely a crazy one.

0:04>> Mia Khalifa hit you up.

0:06>> Oh, I think we're going to be doing a a

0:07collab. You know,

0:08>> what kind of collab? [laughter]

0:11>> I'm Sean Shut off coming off the biggest

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0:19>> What's up, guys? Miss Sixack here.

0:21Welcome back to season 2 of Double

0:22Coverage. Today I'm honored to be joined

0:24by UFC heavyweight fresh off a massive

0:27in a Joe Rogan podcast appearance Sean

0:30Shar. What's going on, man?

0:32>> Life's been crazy. Life's been crazy.

0:34>> I don't know what's bigger than or what

0:36this podcast is going to be like.

0:37>> I know. It's just been a back to back to

0:39back keeps getting better, you know? So,

0:40I'm just I'm just riding the wave right

0:42now.

0:42>> How was that filming with Joe? I feel

0:44like that's like the ultimate

0:45destination when you join the UFC.

0:46>> Yeah. Yeah. That was like, it's crazy

0:48cuz I have a video from 2019 with David

0:50Gogggins where I'm like telling him I'm

0:52like, "Hey, you going to see me see in

0:53the UFC? You're going to see me on the

0:54Joe Rogan podcast." So, uh, getting on

0:56there, making it happen, manifesting

0:58that was just so surreal.

0:59>> That's insane. 2019, you're telling

1:01David Gogggins, I'm going to be in the

1:02UFC. I'm going to be on the Joe Rogan

1:04podcast. How long were you training MMA

1:05at that point?

1:06>> Uh, so I wrestled in high school and

1:08then I joined the Marine Corps after

1:10high school and, uh, I did like some

1:12martial arts training. I started boxing

1:14when I was in Africa a little bit. I

1:15picked up a boxing trainer while I was

1:16out there. Yeah. Was just kind of

1:17hitting the bag. I had my own little

1:19setup wherever I went and then uh when I

1:21got out in 2018, that's when I fully

1:23committed to start.

1:24>> So, you're like a year into fully

1:25committing. You were telling Dave and

1:26then it all comes to fruition seven

1:28years later.

1:29>> Yeah. Unreal.

1:30>> Wow.

1:31>> Yeah. Yeah. Hasn't been much sleep. So,

1:33uh still still processing it all for

1:35sure.

1:35>> Are you still getting your training in?

1:36Are you talking to the UFC about

1:37upcoming fights?

1:38>> Yeah. So today, uh, I had my first

1:40training session back here at the

1:41Performance Institute and, um, haven't

1:43had the meeting with the UFC yet. I

1:45think that's coming tomorrow. But um,

1:46yeah, we're going to see what's next.

1:48But I think there's going to be some

1:49negotiations for sure.

1:50>> No, for sure. But the nice thing is you

1:52didn't take much damage.

1:53>> Yeah. Yeah,

1:54>> you came out pretty clean.

1:55>> Yeah, that was the thing. Everyone's

1:56like, "Jump right into it. Jump right

1:57into it." But I'm just like, I I just

1:58got to take a second to kind of assess

2:00everything, figure my life out a little

2:02bit because it's been pretty chaotic

2:03just to get to this point.

2:05>> Smart. And know you're in a ever moving

2:07division. We got Hul getting gone now

2:09fighting for the title. What do you

2:10think about that MSG?

2:11>> Yeah, they asked me about it, man. I

2:13don't know, man. I guess clout clout

2:14will get you a title shot, but you know,

2:16he skipped Vulkov and a few other guys,

2:18so he's doing his thing, but I'm not a

2:20big fan.

2:21>> That's the sport, right? Are you going

2:22to Are you going to go to that?

2:23>> Uh, I think they actually offered me to

2:25go to be one of the guest fighters

2:27there. So, yeah, maybe I'll pop in,

2:28>> shake some hands, kiss some babies.

2:29>> Yeah, I guess we're doing Yeah, we're

2:31doing the the media tour right now. The

2:32victory lap. So,

2:33>> the victory lap. It's got to happen,

2:34bro. Yeah. Now that you're on Joe, maybe

2:36you can skip the line a little bit

2:37later, you know.

2:38>> Yeah. That's why I was like, "Hey, just

2:40put me on the coliseum for a title, you

2:42know. Let's go.

2:42>> Let's [laughter] go."

2:44>> Okay, baby. Skip the line. Yeah. So,

2:46you're out here in Vegas, but you're a

2:48California product. You you go back and

2:50forth.

2:51>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm from Santa Ana

2:52originally. Uh I had moved out here

2:54about 2 years ago strictly to get

2:56signed. You know, when I moved out to

2:57Vegas, it was just me and my dog. I came

2:58out here just to get in the mix. I knew

3:00Strickland from when I uh I was an

3:02amateur. We started sparring and I knew

3:03his extreme. So, I kind of jumped in the

3:05mix with them. Started sparring with

3:06Francis Enanu, Roy Nelson, some of these

3:08all these big guys. Got another fight

3:10booked while I was here. Him out and

3:12then they ended up calling me for the uh

3:14well, I thought they were calling for

3:15contender series, but they called me for

3:16a short notice fight once um Chris

3:18Barnett and Junior Toffa fell through.

3:20So, took the fight, 3 days notice,

3:21didn't go my way, almost had them,

3:23gassed out, and um they signed me to a

3:25contract and and that was it.

3:27>> Did you feel like your back was up

3:28against the wall going into this fight?

3:30>> Oh, yeah. I was on the chopping block.

3:32You know, they said that there was talks

3:33where like, hey, even if he loses this

3:35fight, we won't cut him. But just me per

3:37I just couldn't handle another loss,

3:38man. I just felt like I had absolutely

3:40nothing to lose, you know? I just went

3:42in there like completely like, you know,

3:44like I'm just ready to for this. I'm

3:46ready for this. And then and that's why

3:47that that outcome came.

3:49>> Wow. With your whole family there,

3:50right? I mean,

3:51>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, now my my mom and

3:53and my my sister was there, my little

3:56brother. Uh he didn't get to get inside,

3:57but he came out after. But um yeah, I

3:59don't have a father. My dad my stepdad.

4:01So yeah, it's basically just my mom.

4:03>> But you're in California. Yeah.

4:05>> Does that add any extra pressure? Like

4:06because I spoke to Vander Holyfield.

4:08He's from Atlanta and he said like the

4:10one time he was like the most nervous in

4:12the locker room was when you fought in

4:13Atlanta.

4:14>> Well, for me it was like it was a

4:15mixture of things cuz that my my last

4:18two fights were in the Apex. I hadn't

4:19been in an arena like that before. Like

4:22I hadn't felt like that. I I just had

4:24felt like I had complete tunnel vision.

4:25Like I didn't when I walked out like I

4:27didn't feel like oh my god look at all

4:29these people. like it just felt like I

4:30was just going to fate, you know, and um

4:32just the fact that even like Jon Jones

4:34was there cuz I got pictures with Jon

4:35Jones in 2019 as well, you know, and I

4:37was like even calling it, you go in my

4:39captions before the fight, I was like,

4:40"Hey, this is going to be my exam, you

4:41know, he's going to be front front row

4:43center to watch me, you know, knock this

4:45guy out, you know, and um yeah, I didn't

4:47feel any of that pressure at all. It was

4:48just felt like this is this is my fight.

4:50This is where you get that confidence

4:51from."

4:52>> I think it's just over all the things

4:53I've overcome, you know, the court plays

4:55a huge part in that, you know. Um but I

4:56I also did a lot of study of the

4:58subconscious mind with um Dr. Joe Joe

5:01Despensza and uh Dr. Joe Murray like um

5:03that was something I went deep into

5:05during where I started like really

5:06understanding the power of the mind and

5:08how we can like put the belief and and

5:10cancel out all the doubt and negative

5:11thoughts and um that's that's really

5:13where I think it comes from. I just

5:14truly believed I was going to win this

5:16fight. I didn't know it was going to

5:17come in 10 seconds but there there

5:18wasn't a doubt in my mind that I was

5:20going to come out victorious. This was

5:21my fight and I knew it. It sounds like

5:23all your training and preparation also

5:25gives that. I mean, if you're sparring

5:26with Francis Inanu, you got to feel

5:28pretty good heading into any fight.

5:29>> Yeah, that's the thing. It's like I've

5:30sparred like you named like Luke Rock,

5:32Mike Bisby, Sean Strickland, Francis

5:34Enanu, Hafel Los Sanios, you know, like

5:35Tito Ortiz, like all through my career,

5:37I've like sparred the biggest scariest

5:39dudes, OSP, you know, like um like you

5:41name them, I've I've sparred them. And

5:43um that that's always given me

5:44confidence because like whenever I walk

5:46out, I'm like nobody's scarier than

5:47Francis and Connor, you know, like I'm

5:50not scared of nobody. I got a little

5:51scared when you said I got I'm sitting

5:53in this seat.

5:54>> That confidence, it comes a lot from

5:55from who I've sparred and the experience

5:57I put in. But that was the thing I was

5:58talking about with this fight, you know,

5:59like like everyone was giving him all

6:01the accolades. He's this wrestler. He's

6:03this Olympic champion, but like you

6:04haven't been through the fire, like you

6:06haven't been through those grueling

6:07years of sparring and like getting going

6:10home with both guys, broken noses, you

6:12know, like um that that experience plays

6:14a factor when you when you're out there

6:16fighting, you know, and that's that's

6:18what happens.

6:18>> No, 100%. And then you know the

6:20accomplishments of course are there in

6:21wrestling which helps but it's MMA you

6:23know you're mixing the martial arts a

6:25totally different game and who knows

6:26what happens when you get in the face.

6:27We found out

6:28>> you hit him pretty hard but

6:30>> everyone's got a plan so they get

6:31punched in the face as they say.

6:33>> Do you see him being able to bounce back

6:35after that?

6:35>> It's going to be difficult. I'm not

6:36going to lie. You know just cuz the fact

6:38like he took on that heel route, you

6:40know, he's going like talking [ __ ] to

6:41the fans like oh you guys should be

6:43grateful to be here and you're spending

6:45your money and like and then the fact he

6:46walked out afterwards like Yeah. Like

6:48I'm not saying he can't win win a fight,

6:50but I think he's definitely going to

6:51make some changes. He's probably going

6:52to be shooting for a takedown real

6:54quick.

6:54>> Yeah. I don't think he's going to try to

6:55stay in [laughter] the next fight.

6:59>> That that might be out. He's not quite

7:02Jon Jones, you know.

7:03>> Yeah. And that's what they were saying,

7:04you know, like he's trying to fight like

7:05Jon Jones, but you should be fighting

7:06like your DC, you know?

7:07>> Yeah. No, that's exact. That's what it

7:08looked like to me. He had like the

7:10outstretched arms. like

7:12>> that works for one guy and he's got like

7:1490 in arms literally you know and

7:17there's only one Jon Jones so I think

7:19you see that in boxing a lot when Roy

7:20Jones junior trains guys and they try to

7:22fight like Roy and they put their hands

7:23down and they get knocked out it's like

7:25they're special guys man

7:26>> 100%

7:27>> you can't you can't emulate Jon Jones

7:28you got to be gable you know

7:29>> that's it yeah um I think he's

7:31definitely going to take some time to

7:32reassess you know some things

7:34>> if if he hit you up was like yo you down

7:36to get some training in would you hit

7:38his would you go to a camp yeah

7:39>> he's not going to do No, I'm not

7:41interested in going to his camp, but he

7:42doesn't have the the humility to do

7:44that. The way like he wouldn't even

7:46address me. He he wrote like a whole

7:47essay. He's like, "My opponent caught

7:49me." Wow.

7:49>> Like, bro, okay.

7:50>> Nothing yet. No. Like, congrats, you got

7:52me. I shouldn't have walked out.

7:54Nothing.

7:54>> No.

7:55>> Wow.

7:56>> Everyone say he rage quit.

7:57>> Yeah, he rage quit. Yeah, [laughter] he

8:00left the lobby.

8:02>> It reminds me a lot of like some of the

8:04stuff Sean Strickland has done, your

8:06guy.

8:06>> Yeah. Yeah.

8:06>> When his back's against the wall, when

8:08he beat Adisagna, everyone talked about

8:10everything Adisagnania had done.

8:11Strickland has no shot and he went in

8:13there and just kind of kicked his ass.

8:14>> He did with Hamza, too.

8:15>> Yeah, with Hamza, too. Exactly, bro.

8:17Twice. Like, does that inspire you as

8:19well when you're going to that fight?

8:20>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean Strickland, I've

8:22known him for for a minute. Like, he's a

8:23good friend. Like, he called me right

8:24after the fight and like um Yeah, that

8:26dude's an inspiration. Everybody talks

8:28crap on him cuz he says some wild, you

8:30know, but deep down like he's a he's a

8:31straightup fighter and he knows what

8:32he's doing. And um I think watching that

8:34as well as the Gachi upset like watching

8:36that contender series upset like I was

8:38like this is the year of the upset you

8:40know like bro this is the year

8:41>> this is the year of the up definitely

8:43took some inspiration from from all

8:45those guys.

8:45>> Yeah. No Sean I mean and then you spoke

8:47about the core your father passed away.

8:49Sean obviously has his background the

8:51way he's built himself up. I mean he's

8:53literally been doubted every step of the

8:55way and he's one of the greatest

8:56middleweights of all time.

8:57>> 100%.

8:58>> Like he's right under Anderson Silva at

9:00this point when you beat Hamza and Izzy

9:01and all the other guys. I mean, what

9:03else can he do?

9:04>> Yeah, 100%. And he's smart. That dude's

9:06very financially smart. You know,

9:07everyone thinks he's an idiot, but he's

9:08a smart guy.

9:09>> No, it's a bit of a He He embraces it.

9:11He He plays it up a little bit. At least

9:13the At least the idiot part.

9:14>> Sometimes that's the best position to

9:16play the He play the fool. You let

9:17people think

9:18>> And he's a middleweight. You're a

9:19heavyweight. Is he going at you the same

9:20way we see in the training videos? Is he

9:22that same guy behind the scenes?

9:24>> Oh, yeah, bro. I got clips of him me up

9:26as an amateur. Like, this dude is like

9:28he's I don't know. He's a little

9:30[ __ ] dog. like he used to beat me

9:32up as an amateur, man. And um it's

9:34gotten better once once I came out to uh

9:36to Vegas. We didn't spar as much cuz uh

9:38I'm a bigger guy and he's like, I don't

9:40want to [ __ ] you, [laughter] you know.

9:42He he definitely he goes at everybody

9:44the same, you know. You know,

9:45>> Yeah. He's got one gear.

9:46>> Yeah. One one speed and that's so I

9:49smart Justin Gate twice.

9:51>> Yeah.

9:51>> We did the stream. We did the pot. I

9:53give him credit. He he wasn't nothing

9:54like that. He like I mean he hit me

9:56blasted me to liver but he wasn't like

9:58trying to get here you know.

9:59>> Yeah.

9:59>> Gachi even though he's a maniac like in

10:01the cage he's like able to you know turn

10:03it up. Yeah.

10:05>> No that was cool. Gachi at the White

10:06House. I mean that's got to be up there

10:08with yours. The two greatest American

10:10upsets this year.

10:11>> It's unreal man. Yeah. Gachi was so

10:13inspiring. You know watching him make

10:15that walk out reading the of

10:17Independence before and then like he

10:19almost got stopped you know he pushed

10:20through that and then he [ __ ] made him

10:22quit on the stool. Like, damn, that was

10:24that was unreal to watch. You know,

10:25>> he's real life Rocky

10:26>> for real.

10:27>> And I think Ilia and Gable are so

10:29similar in like their attitudes and the

10:31humility you spoke about and like Ilia

10:34is still not giving him credit. Now he's

10:35saying his gloves were loaded. Did you

10:37see that?

10:37>> Yeah, I did. Yeah. No, come on, man.

10:40Like [laughter]

10:41whatever you got to do to sleep at

10:43night. But yeah. No, he beat he beat him

10:45fair and square, you know.

10:46>> No, it's hard to see guys like that

10:47coming back though if you can't admit,

10:49you know what I mean? Where you went

10:50wrong and and how you got to move

10:51forward. I mean, you've suffered it

10:53before. You got to go back to the

10:54drawing board and figure it out, right?

10:55>> Yeah. And is that that's the boogeyman

10:57effect? That's what we were talking

10:58about is like they seem like these

11:00terrifying, unstoppable people until you

11:02you make them them or make them fall and

11:05then you're like, "Oh, no. You're just a

11:06man and this is fighting." You know, I

11:08said in my pre-fight interviews, I'm

11:10like, "This is fighting. We're going to

11:11fight." You know, like this is not a

11:12wrestling match. And yeah, that's what

11:14happens.

11:15>> You think the guys who fought Gable

11:16before were just defeated before they

11:17even got in there?

11:18>> The guys he fought were just on a

11:19regional scene. Like he went down to

11:21Mexico. He almost got wheel kicked. He

11:23Those other guys were like 0 and one,

11:25one and0. He had like a dirty boxing

11:27like I had been watching him the whole

11:28time. I knew I was going to fight him.

11:29It was just a matter of time. Yeah.

11:30>> You knew you were going to fight him?

11:31>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Like

11:33it was like I watched him when he was

11:35coming up and did his pro debut. I was

11:36like this guy's coming to the UFC and

11:38like especially where where my record

11:39was. I got signed at 4 and0, you know,

11:41and he was like so I just figured, you

11:42know, that's the kind of the way

11:44matchmaking is going to go. And I had

11:45mentioned it before they they had

11:46reached out to me for the house card as

11:48well and asked me if I'd be interested

11:49in fighting Gable. But I guess that

11:51didn't go through. I don't know if they

11:52were trying to get Jones on there, but

11:53it just

11:54>> So you you went to them. You said, "I

11:55want Gable."

11:56>> Well, I asked for the White House card

11:58and then [ __ ] they were like, "Yeah,

12:00we might have that for Gable." And then

12:02same thing with LA. There was I was the

12:04one asking for LA. And then they were

12:06like, "Yeah, we got Gable for Everyone I

12:08talked to before the fight like [snorts]

12:09you're fighting Gable?" Like, "Oh, like

12:11everyone's just like so like I don't

12:12know. They let it get to the the aura

12:14get to their head, you know?" But it's

12:15just like, "Bro, it's just this is

12:17fighting, you know? like it's not it's

12:18not the the wrestling or it's not the

12:21Muay Thai or it's like I think the

12:22mental edge as well you know like I

12:24don't think mentally he was taking me

12:26seriously you know like he was doing RAF

12:27matches before he was doing a bunch of

12:30media stuff like rolling around with Jon

12:32Jones and the whip like bro I was

12:34sitting there in my hotel room

12:36meditating and visualizing and just like

12:38focusing every fiber of my being on

12:40beating this man and that's why the

12:42result came.

12:43>> Wow. What kind of training days do you

12:44have leading up to a fight like that?

12:46take us into the day

12:47>> like fight fight fight week or like

12:48before

12:49>> not say beforehand

12:50>> it was just grueling brother so I had

12:51pulled out of the tie to evasive fight

12:53and cuz I had to

12:55>> so this whole camp I couldn't risk it

12:57again so I had to wear that headgear and

12:59if you've ever worn that headgear it's

13:01like you're like like one your

13:03peripherals are closed like you can't

13:04really vision and then like you can't

13:07like it's literally like you're

13:09constantly like moving it so not only

13:10was I getting put in the worst positions

13:12like we was start on bottom starting

13:14from the cage like just in worst

13:16positions possible. Oh, he took your

13:17back. Oh, you like they just put me in

13:19worst case scenario and I would have to

13:21figure a way out. Figure a way out. And

13:22that's kind of what the training was cuz

13:24the game plan was like stay in his face

13:26and like if he takes you down, you get

13:27up. Like I'm I wasn't going to sit here

13:28and act like, "Oh, he's never get a

13:30takedown." Sure, you get a takedown, but

13:31I'm going to get up and and you take me

13:33down again, I'm going to get up again

13:34and I'm going be in your face over and

13:35over again and eventually he's going to

13:37break. Yeah. So when it happened in 10

13:38seconds, I was like, "Okay, well this is

13:40this is a better outcome than a three

13:42round war for sure." You know,

13:43>> for sure. similar to Shawn and Kamza.

13:45>> Yeah, that one was crazy because like

13:47you could see the moment where it was

13:48crazy because I met Hamza. He was in the

13:50back with Arman. It was like Arman had

13:53Neon and Hamza back there and I was in

13:54the back and I got a like I didn't want

13:56I didn't want to ask Arman he was

13:57fighting but I said Hamza like kind of

13:58stoic real quick. So before I walked

14:01out, you know, he kind of took the

14:02picture, gave me the blessings, you

14:03know, cuz he saw I had my my scarf from

14:06representing for Philistine and he was

14:07just like inshallah you get this

14:09victory, you know, and I was like [ __ ]

14:11come Hamza watching. Come on. And uh

14:13yeah, with that Strickland fight um it

14:15was just crazy to see because like same

14:17that boogeyman effect, you know, like

14:18everyone just knows Hamza was just like

14:21was running through dudes, you know, but

14:22like Strickland could wrestle, man. Like

14:24he he says jiu-jitsu's but like this

14:26dude is like a undercover black belt for

14:28sure, you know? You see him grappling

14:30with the best of the best and he and he

14:31knows what he's doing, you know? He

14:32knows fighting.

14:33>> Yeah. Well, Neon was in Arman's corner.

14:35Armen said he called for the elbow.

14:36Would you consider adding Neon to the

14:38corner? Well, I mean, I've been talking

14:39with I've been talking with Neon. So, he

14:40he gave me the follow after the fight

14:42cuz he he saw he saw us doing it and um

14:44Yeah, he's I think he's going to help me

14:46get set up with the streaming and stuff.

14:47So,

14:48>> yeah,

14:48>> I think it'd help you out with the

14:49fighting. He says he's an expert. We saw

14:51him in Arman's corner. He's very

14:53successful.

14:53>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, shoot. [laughter]

14:56>> I don't know if I'd have in my corner,

14:57but man,

14:58>> what if he paid the 200? [laughter]

15:01>> Say that as well.

15:02>> Neon, if you give him the 200, he's

15:03down.

15:04>> Arman's a little better well off than me

15:06right now, bro. So, We'll take that.

15:08>> Yeah. Give up the money, you know. Let's

15:10go. [laughter]

15:11We'll walk out to the song. Everything.

15:13>> Yeah, that was cool to see. But I I

15:14really didn't even get a chance to watch

15:15those fights. Like after my fight, like

15:17it was just like pandemonium, so I

15:18didn't even get to watch like the the

15:20main and the co-main, but I heard there

15:22was a scrap, you know.

15:23>> Oh, yeah.

15:23>> But I did see the the finish on on on

15:25both.

15:26>> Hard to miss him. But yeah. Yeah. Who

15:28was the craziest person that you never

15:29expected hit you up?

15:31>> Mia was definitely a crazy one. Yeah.

15:33>> Mia hit you up. Yeah. Well, she she just

15:35gave me the follow, you know, because

15:37she's very supportive of the

15:39>> and and all that. So, I think we're

15:41going to be doing a collab, you know, to

15:43>> What kind of collab? [laughter]

15:47>> You guys might have spent a lot of time

15:48when you were in the, you know.

15:50>> Yeah. Yeah. No, there's definitely a lot

15:51of that are going to be uh [laughter]

15:54I'll leave it at that.

15:56>> Don't think that's cooler than the

15:57fight.

15:58>> Yeah. No, it's definitely been uh some

16:00interesting. I met Morgan Wallen as

16:01well. Yeah. When I went out to Wow.

16:03>> Yeah. That was unreal.

16:04>> Holy Joe Rogan, Morgan Wall.

16:07>> Yeah. Yeah. So, it was at the same we he

16:08took me to uh Ways to Well, which is

16:11like a stem cell health treatment

16:12center. Yeah. Joe B just got me hooked

16:14up with the the full stem cell treatment

16:16and Morgan Wallen had to be there and

16:19yeah,

16:19>> your life is like literally like a

16:21Hollywood movie now.

16:22>> It's it's it's been unreal. Yeah. Still

16:24trying to process it.

16:25>> Do you have the support of your family

16:27and you out there to fight? Do they send

16:28you videos or like send you their

16:30support?

16:31>> Yeah. Well, that's supposed to be crazy.

16:32Like there's been like a bunch of like

16:33Reddit articles that are coming up like

16:34all kinds of people that like serve with

16:36me that like are like holy like he he

16:38made it you know like so like I got I

16:40got a lot of stories from the core a lot

16:42of stories from my my life before like

16:44it's uh it's cool to see a lot of people

16:46popping out and showing their support

16:48you know seeing that you know the long

16:50road it took to get here cuz it feels

16:51like an overnight success one punch but

16:53it's like in reality it's been like over

16:54a decade of just like grinding to get to

16:57this moment right here. I mean, you're

16:59telling David Gogggins precoid, hey,

17:01[clears throat] I'm going to get in the

17:01UFC and, you know, get on the Joe Rogan

17:04and now you're doing it seven years

17:05later. That's definitely not overnight.

17:07>> Yeah. Manifestation is real

17:08>> 100%. And I'm proud of you. Um, I think

17:10they should do something like with your,

17:12you know, brothers like have them like

17:14at the next fight or something cool like

17:16in a section, you know, that would be

17:17dope for a walk out maybe.

17:19>> Yeah. So, I'm I'm I'm talking to the

17:21UFC. Well, we're supposed to go out to

17:24to do like a they've done like a collab

17:25out there with like the headquarters and

17:27stuff and that's core base there where I

17:30I was actually stationed there in

17:31Quanico, but um I've been talking to

17:32them about like a veteran integration

17:34program, you know, where I could

17:35possibly like go to like the bases,

17:37possibly like find a way to incorporate

17:38like a pipeline because like it's very

17:40difficult to get out and like to pursue

17:42this this career, you know. So, um yeah,

17:45I'm going to be talking to the UFC about

17:46that and seeing what we can make happen.

17:48But I definitely want to get involved in

17:49that that community for sure. definitely

17:51like other badass fighters in the court

17:54who could join the UFC, right?

17:55>> Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

17:58>> Yeah, there's some straight up. I think

18:00we got Chris Chris Nolan. He's fighting

18:02today. I'm sorry, this week I think in

18:04Salt Lake. So, he's another and then um

18:06yeah, there's been like Tim Kennedy

18:08who's I don't know the crazy war stories

18:10that came out afterwards. But, uh you

18:12know, there's there's a couple there's a

18:14couple veterans that are coming out, you

18:16know. But yeah, I think that's what it

18:17takes is for someone to see like, oh,

18:19like this guy's doing it, you know, and

18:20like then it makes it realistic cuz like

18:21when I got out the Marine Corps and I

18:23was like, hey, I want to be a UFC

18:24fighter, like uh like no, you need like

18:26an actual career plan after, you know,

18:28like that's not like a realistic thing,

18:30you know? So, I think now once they're

18:32seeing people do it, I think it's going

18:34to be a lot more common.

18:35>> He's I love what Sean Strickland says

18:37like I couldn't have played in the NFL

18:38or the NBA.

18:39>> This is the only sport I could be the

18:41champion in, but it's it's this.

18:42>> Yeah, it's mental for sure. No, he's

18:44done a good job at that because he'd

18:45probably be cooking meth somewhere in

18:47the trailer park, [laughter]

18:50you know, found it. This next segment is

18:52presented by DraftKings. The crown is

18:54yours.

18:55>> Zack, ever since you picked the Seahawks

18:57against my Patriots in the Super Bowl,

18:59it's like the kiss of death. Now, we

19:01travel to Buffalo this week. What do you

19:05got? Do I have any good news coming? I I

19:07have to say ever since the pick, it just

19:09the Patriots have been an abject

19:10disaster from the the coach uh Drake

19:13May. I mean, what what hasn't gone wrong

19:16since that game? Um unfortunately, no.

19:19No, I I don't think so. There's no other

19:21way to describe the pitches other than a

19:23disaster and it started in the off

19:24season. Um the coach has to sit out the

19:27draft because of some some personal

19:29things and then you would hope things

19:31turn around with the addition of AJ

19:32Brown, but you know a few drives in he

19:34ankle, he gets put on IR. They don't

19:37have a very suitable replacement. It

19:39seems like the defense taking a step

19:40back, but o overall I mean the most

19:43glaring thing about this team is the

19:45fact that quarterback Drake May, who was

19:47an MVP candidate, was this close, lost

19:50by a razor thin margin, and brought the

19:51Patriots to the Super Bowl, has just

19:53been a shell of himself. um he looks

19:56unsure. He doesn't have that same spark

19:57or confidence in that postgame press

20:00conference. That was very telling. He

20:01said, "I don't know why I'm not making

20:03these throws that I used to make. It's

20:05uh not looking good for Patriots

20:07Nation." And to go to at Buffalo, the

20:103-0, the scorching hot Buffalo Bills in

20:13this divisional matchup, it's a tough

20:15task. It's a tough task for the defense

20:17as well. Um some of the guys who were

20:19making tackles last year, this year, not

20:21so much. your spaines and your key

20:24contributors are going to have a hard

20:25time wrangling down Josh Allen, James

20:27Cook who have looked on fire. They look

20:29like a wellcogged oiled machine now that

20:32they promoted offensive coordinator Joe

20:34Braded to head coach. So the Buffalo

20:36Bills hot, the Patriots not so much. And

20:39I don't see them getting back on track

20:41this week. It's just too tough of a

20:43matchup and too many things going wrong.

20:45So I think the Patriots fall down to one

20:47and three and the Bills go to 4-0. I'm

20:49sorry, Mark. I know hope's not a plan,

20:51but I'm hopeful that we can do it. But

20:54we'll see. We'll see. What percent do

20:57you contribute the sport to mental

20:59versus physical? like percentage- wise

21:01like man maybe 70 30 but it could be

21:03even more than that because like I think

21:05this was more of a mental battle like

21:07this this fight you know everything from

21:08like the press conference you know like

21:10some of that psychological

21:12going into the belief self-belief you

21:14know against all odds and like I don't

21:16know like man like really visualizing

21:18and manifesting you know like I feel

21:19like you could you could do anything if

21:21you really believe it you know and

21:22that's what it comes down to so yeah I

21:24would probably say about 75 25 yeah

21:27>> did you have any words with Jon Jones

21:29pre- or postight I'm sure he saw my DMs

21:31with him cuz I have a few DMs with him

21:33from like while while back where I was

21:35telling him where I was going to be. I

21:36didn't talk to him pre-fight, post

21:38fight. I just shook I shook their hands.

21:40I haven't seen the clip of it so it's

21:41made me feel like a like delusional but

21:43I vividly remember after like I did a

21:45little few laps celebrate like I saw

21:48them before they walked out and I gave

21:49them a quick handshake to Gable and

21:51Jones. Yeah, but I haven't seen any of

21:52the footage of it so maybe I'm tripping.

21:53>> You might have just imagined.

21:54>> Yeah, man. [ __ ] It was It felt It felt

21:57so surreal like, you know, I'm still

21:59like processing like what just happened.

22:01You know,

22:01>> I love DC when he was like getting on

22:03Gable about going and they're like,

22:04"Bro, that's what you did against Sean."

22:05He's like, "No, I did. That's AI."

22:07>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

22:08>> But it wasn't he did. He's like, "I

22:09don't remember that at all."

22:10>> Yeah. No, but he was like genuinely

22:12>> No, he was I mean, literally, bro, when

22:14your brain turns off, you don't know.

22:15No, you brought a lot of hype at the

22:17press conference, which is your job at

22:19the end of the day when you're a

22:20fighter. And I tell people all the time

22:21about the podcast. It's such a different

22:23vibe being with a fighter versus like an

22:25NFL player.

22:26>> Yeah.

22:26>> Is they're employees of the NFL, right?

22:28They go out there, they're paid to play.

22:29But you guys are independent

22:30contractors. You're on your own. You got

22:32to create your own value. You got to go

22:34do the media rounds, create that buzz,

22:35create that hype. You can be a great

22:37fighter and get cut.

22:38>> Yeah.

22:38>> You can go six and0 and they'll cut you

22:39if you're too boring, right? So, it's

22:41your job to go out there and get that

22:42attention at the press conference and

22:44poke it. You say cut the line. It's only

22:45because of his the he says

22:47>> and even before the fight if you look

22:49back like I was doing like my own promo

22:50because like I had got at came at the

22:52[ __ ] the UFC I was just like hey like

22:54this is like the fourth or fifth collab

22:56you guys do with this guy like am I

22:57going to get any promo and so I like

22:58ended up going outside the performance

23:00institute and I was like I'm going to

23:01promote myself I'm fighting September 19

23:04and that went viral and then I ran to

23:05Floyd Mayweather and I got another Floyd

23:08bro

23:10it was good until it wasn't good luck to

23:12you you know but it went crazy viral

23:14because of that So, I was promoting

23:15myself the whole way even before the

23:17fight, you know, and I think the UFC saw

23:19that and they're like, "Okay, this guy

23:20knows how to move the needle, you know,

23:22like you said, like even if you're

23:23winning, if you can't if you can't make

23:24numbers happen, then you get cut."

23:26>> And the beautiful thing about the UFC,

23:27bro, they don't care what you say as

23:28long as it gets numbers, bro. Dana

23:30doesn't care, bro.

23:31>> Yeah. No, thank thankfully, you know.

23:33>> Yeah. Freedom of speech, bro. Imagine

23:34Strickland any other sport.

23:35>> Oh, yeah.

23:36>> He would have been out. Yeah. It doesn't

23:37matter. You'd be the best quarterback in

23:39the league, bro. You're out. Yeah.

23:40>> Facts. Facts.

23:41>> No. No. That's why I love having like

23:42the fighters on the pod too cuz they say

23:44whatever the [ __ ] they want. There's no

23:45filter. They don't have to worry about

23:47America, man. Like freedom is like it's

23:50so crazy how we everyone's been so

23:51scared now to just like just speak, you

23:53know? Like you're I don't want to get

23:54cancelled. Oh, I don't want to say this.

23:56Offend this offend. I'm like, bro, like

23:58just be who you are. Say what you want.

24:00You know, this is a this is what we what

24:02we stand for, you know? Like I don't

24:03know how how it's gotten mixed so much.

24:05>> Me either. Yeah. Yeah. But you guys were

24:07the best. Uh my favorite one I've

24:09probably done recently, Bobby Green. He

24:10was on the pod. I love Bobby, bro.

24:13>> Yeah. I got [clears throat] in his

24:13stream. I'm excited for the clip to

24:15drop. We had I think we're gonna have a

24:16viral clip coming.

24:17>> Wait, you just did a stream?

24:18>> No, he was streaming and we ran into

24:20each other and like it was just like a

24:22dope dope clip, you know? So, he's

24:24fighting this weekend, I think.

24:25>> Yeah, I know. I'm excited. Salt Lake

24:26City.

24:26>> Yeah. Are you going to be there?

24:27>> I don't know. We got uh I might have to

24:29go to London. Are you going to go?

24:30>> No, I don't think so.

24:31>> It's Utah's tough.

24:33>> Yeah. I don't even know his fighting

24:34besides Bobby Green.

24:35>> I only know Bobby, let's be honest.

24:36Yeah, he's the main event, but

24:38>> in my mind, like he's the people's main

24:40event cuz the main event is Wang Kong

24:42and

24:43>> I'm not kidding. Wang Kong is the main

24:45event.

24:46>> But [laughter] Bobby Green, they they

24:47called him up and they're like, you

24:49know, get your over Salt Lake City.

24:51>> Yeah. Yeah,

24:51>> cuz we need someone that people actually

24:53know.

24:54>> Yeah. No, I love what he's doing with

24:55the streaming and all that, bro. He's

24:57he's a G for sure. Solid, dude.

24:59>> No, no, I'm excited to watch him fight,

25:00though. Saturday.

25:01>> I remember it was actually my first my

25:03first fight in the UFC and we get like

25:05after our weigh-ins. This is at the Apex

25:07so it's not like the big weigh- in. They

25:09we have like the fighter meeting where

25:10like Sean Shelby or like McManner will

25:12come like go over like hey the bonuses

25:14are available. We're on live TV don't do

25:16this blah blah blah blah. Bobby Green

25:18was just like in the back just like

25:20pacing just back and forth just like

25:22like a man like everyone's just sitting

25:24like listening to Sean Shelby just like

25:26like just pacing back and forth like I

25:28was just like what the [ __ ] is this up

25:30with this guy though? I [ __ ] with him

25:32man. He's a nut like me man. Let's go

25:34[laughter]

25:35>> fighting style. Yeah. Have you seen

25:38that?

25:38>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's dope. I want

25:40to know how he does the Triple H like

25:42the water thing. I've tried it before. I

25:44was

25:44>> I get him to teach you on stream.

25:46>> Yeah. Yeah, man. Man, that shit's cool

25:47cuz that was where I Triple H used to do

25:49that. That was the original one I seen.

25:51Yeah. So, uh I like that.

25:52>> Are you a WWE fan?

25:54>> Yeah. Yeah, he's a huge Undertaker fan.

25:55That was my guy. I would practice like

25:57Tombstones on my little

25:59>> You were cutting promos before the

26:00fight. I'm like this guy watched WWE

26:02growing up for sure.

26:03>> Yeah. No, for sure. But like everything

26:04was just like off the cusp, you know?

26:06Like I didn't like plan anything like

26:08the I mean some of them were Nate Diaz

26:09quotes like I'm not surprised, hit don't

26:11get hit. Like those are Nate Diaz. But

26:13um yeah, like some of them were just

26:15like, man, just on the go, you know,

26:17just being me, you know? Like

26:18>> would you love to like go down the

26:20professional wrestling route?

26:21>> Maybe interesting. I If I heard they get

26:23paid better than us.

26:24>> They get paid a lot.

26:25>> And they don't have to get in the head

26:26for real.

26:27>> Brock Lesnar went right back.

26:28>> Yeah. So, uh Hey, man. If they're open

26:31open to having me, I could talk about

26:33that.

26:33>> Yeah. At least make some appearances,

26:34right? That'd be dope, bro. Yeah.

26:36>> Have you gotten any other like cool

26:37opportunities come your way in like the

26:39mainstream media route?

26:40>> Uh mainstream? I mean, like I had a TMZ

26:43interview. I don't know about that, but

26:44um maybe

26:45>> No Love Island yet.

26:46>> No,

26:47>> no Dancing with the Stars.

26:48>> No, no, none of that. Yeah, I don't

26:50think I don't think that's [laughter]

26:51for me. I can't I can't dance for sure.

26:54And uh

26:54>> no mass singer

26:55>> and the Love Island. I don't know. But

26:56those things drama is not for me. You

26:58know, that's the thing is like I'm a

26:59very like introverted, quiet guy.

27:01Usually I'm just like with my dog

27:02hanging out like in the mountain

27:04somewhere.

27:04>> Bro, that's the thing about like a all

27:06these guys. We had them on the stream.

27:07They're like his life's so boring. Like

27:09that's just he's just the most chill guy

27:11ever.

27:11>> Yeah. Yeah. I I remember hearing one of

27:13his interviews where he was just like,

27:14"Oh, sometimes I got to like say

27:15something to make sure my voice still

27:17works cuz it's just been sitting in the

27:18house quiet, you know, and I could like

27:20really relate to that, you know, cuz

27:21like usually it's just me and my dog,

27:22you know, and like for now to be like

27:24interviews and mainstream and all this.

27:26>> Is it comfortable?

27:26>> It's been a little overwhelming for

27:28sure, you know, cuz like one part of me

27:30wants to make sure I like take advantage

27:32of this this moment and I like work and

27:34collab and like do all the

27:35opportunities. The other part of me is

27:37like I really haven't had the time to

27:39like sit and like process what's what's

27:41happening, you know, and like um so it's

27:43just like a balance of both. But I think

27:45after the Joe Rogan podcast drops, after

27:48I do the the main collabs, um I think

27:50I'm going to take like a week and just

27:52chill, try try to

27:53>> Did getting back to training help ground

27:54you?

27:55>> Yeah, a little bit. But it still has it

27:56hasn't been like a consistent training

27:58schedule, you know? So like the week

27:59after the fight, like sleep was pretty

28:01minimal. Like obviously just adrenaline

28:03running, you know, and then like just

28:04trying to like get back to people and

28:06like with that were trying to partner

28:07with me and stuff like that. I got like

28:09maybe like a little light pump in, but

28:11it was like normally I'm at the gym for

28:12like 2 three hours, you know, like just

28:15having having [clears throat] a good

28:16time, you know?

28:16>> Yeah. Are you doing like like through a

28:18day of training? Are you training like

28:19MMA in general? Are you training like

28:21each each martial art separately? So for

28:23for the camp that I had this one it was

28:26uh Monday, Wednesday sparring, Tuesday,

28:28Thursday were wrestling and then I was

28:29doing basically strength and

28:30conditioning twice a week uh at the

28:32performance institute and that was kind

28:33of it. Saturday I would go do some kind

28:35of conditioning up at Mount Charleston

28:36or sprints something like that. That's

28:38pretty much it. Either wrestling and

28:40sparring, you know, but I had the

28:41podcast with uh Mighty Mouse and he was

28:43telling me how I need to be doing like

28:44more like fundamental stuff, you know,

28:46cuz he says I spar too much, you know.

28:48It's got I got to break it down. So

28:49definitely going to be doing some

28:50reassessing in the future. No, you got

28:52to listen up when he talks.

28:53>> Yeah. Yeah.

28:54>> What a legend Mighty Mouse is.

28:55>> Yeah. No, it was dope to be on. His

28:57reaction was pricey. He's like, "The

28:58guy's owing too." And then

29:01all the MMA like

29:02>> I love his media run too, bro.

29:04>> Yeah. All these guys, they had some

29:06crazy reactions. But, uh, yeah, Mighty

29:07Mouse was awesome. Yeah. He gave me some

29:09good advice,

29:10>> dude. He might be the GOAT. Like, just

29:12as far as like actual skill in the

29:14octagon, the way he blended, he did

29:16everything so perfectly.

29:18>> Yeah. No, he's he's

29:19>> No weaknesses. But I I even told him

29:20straight out I was like, "Look, bro,

29:21like I I never really watch the lighter

29:23guys." I was like, "I saw your armbar

29:24highlight, you know, but

29:25>> lying arm bar, bro."

29:26>> Yeah. And then I I felt like I

29:28disrespected him because I was just

29:29like, "How do you take it?" I was like,

29:30"Oh." And then they and then you went to

29:32the PFL. He's like, "Pf?" I was like,

29:34"Shit, [laughter] one, one, one." But uh

29:36No, he was cool, man. He's awesome. I

29:38like I like Mighty Mouse.

29:40>> But you like watching the heavier guys

29:41fight.

29:41>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was like I've

29:43always just been like watching Kane

29:44Velasquez, Juno Santos, you know that

29:46Brock Lesnar era, you know, Frank Mir,

29:49Carwin.

29:49>> Yeah. All those guys like that's Chuck

29:51Liddell. That's who I first started

29:52watching, you know, Anderson Silva. Um

29:54those guys Yeah. Rampage was cool, too.

29:56And um yeah, those are the guys I really

29:58watch. Like even now, like I feel like

29:59it's just a different era, you know?

30:01Like

30:01>> it's so different, bro. Like the the

30:02light heavyweight, Golden Arrow, Tito

30:04Ortiz, too. You talked about you trained

30:05with him. Like

30:06>> those guys were set Forest Griffin and

30:09Shogun and they were coming from Pride

30:11and Hendo.

30:12>> These guys were animals, bro.

30:14>> Yeah, it was different.

30:14>> They were fighting Pride like no no

30:17rules, no time limits and they were

30:18coming over here. Insane.

30:20>> Yeah,

30:20>> insane. And it was all the 205 guys and

30:23up that were like really dominant sport

30:24and now it's you have you're so much

30:26more, you know, like McGregor is the

30:28biggest star ever and he was start at

30:30145.

30:30>> Yeah.

30:31>> That was never a thing before him.

30:32>> Yeah. Who do you think is the biggest

30:33star in the UFC right now? right now the

30:35biggest star in the UFC I think it's

30:38Gachi

30:41>> who do you say

30:41>> oh man I would think maybe

30:43>> I think international gate in America

30:46>> yeah that's fair gate is definitely the

30:47American hero but that was I was think

30:49like Pereira is kind of like he's had a

30:50few losses in like his

30:51>> dude he's not and he didn't take it well

30:54>> what did you think about that

30:55>> I mean I definitely think it was back of

30:56the head cuz that was crazy to me once I

30:58saw the video and they're like oh it's

30:59just like the spine I'm like bro what

31:01the [ __ ] like I thought it was like

31:02anything like on the side of the ear you

31:04you know, like is he's fair to say that,

31:06you know, he got hit in the back cuz he

31:07got all the lumps and stuff, but yeah,

31:09like heavyweight's just different, man.

31:11Like you saw in my fight, like people

31:12just think we're going to come up to

31:13heavyweight. Like, no, bro. Like it's

31:15different up here. Like we hit hard,

31:17>> dude. One shot, bro. One Even if you

31:20block the

31:21>> Yeah.

31:22>> You know what I mean? It'll still rattle

31:23your And your is like spinning

31:26everywhere, bro.

31:26>> Yeah. It's It's crazy,

31:27>> dude. Remember Anthony Joshua versus

31:29Andy Ruiz? Joshua is this 6'6 like

31:32behemoth down Ruiz who's 5' 11

31:34>> and Ruiz hits him behind the ear and

31:36it's over. You're on skates. There's

31:37nothing you can do to get hit by heavy

31:38in the right spot. Nothing.

31:39>> That's it.

31:40>> Yeah, I like Andrew Ruiz. That was a

31:41cool fight. But

31:42>> that was a cool ass fight, bro.

31:43>> Yeah, but I think that like that was

31:44like his like peak right there.

31:46>> Oh yeah. No, he never got in shape

31:47again.

31:47>> Yeah. Yeah. It's hard,

31:48>> dude. Dude, dude. Andy is a nice guy. I

31:51really like him. But I was at a fight

31:53backstage after that and I kid you not,

31:55he was he was hella cool. He had three

31:56K-sized Hershey bars and he was

31:58unwrapping them, eating them one by one.

32:00I was like, "This guy lives the life,

32:01bro. This guy who thought he was before

32:03that Joshua fight."

32:04>> I think that's real though.

32:05>> Yeah. Yeah.

32:06>> Have you seen his brother?

32:07>> No.

32:07>> So his brother's like 100 lbs heavier

32:09than him.

32:10>> And his hands are just as fast.

32:12>> Damn.

32:12>> I don't know. They're like these like

32:15who just like [laughter] have like the

32:17fastest hands you'll ever see, bro.

32:18>> Yeah. No, they're

32:19>> they're ridiculous, dude. And Ruiz is

32:21like you can't knock him down. He's so

32:23sturdy.

32:23>> Yeah. Yeah. These guys get these that

32:25have the weird builds are just like

32:27Vulcanowski and like the little short

32:29guys like they're tough, bro.

32:30>> Yeah, for sure.

32:31>> Who's the strongest guy that that you've

32:33worked with? Like where they grabbed you

32:34were like, "Oh,

32:35>> Francis." I was like, "Who let this guy

32:36in, bro?" Okay. [laughter] He's on some

32:38crazy. Oh, yeah. He just felt like

32:41strong.

32:42>> Even more than you thought.

32:43>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was kind I was

32:45legit scared. Like I was reassessing my

32:47life choices after that for sure.

32:48>> Did you still work with him or

32:50>> uh No, I haven't. He has I haven't seen

32:52him back. I think he had his Joshua

32:54fight and um I don't know what he's

32:55doing now. I think he's going more

32:57towards the business route, you know.

32:58I'm not sure. It's sparring.

32:59>> Are you glad he's out of the UFC?

33:01>> Uh I mean [laughter]

33:03I would I I wouldn't fight him, you

33:05know.

33:08[ __ ] maybe for a couple male, but man,

33:11it's just some guys that you're just

33:13like, "Holy shit."

33:13>> He's got to be last on the list.

33:15>> Yeah, for sure, man. Yeah. No,

33:17>> that's a lot different. I got a video. I

33:19I I I could pull it up, but it was

33:21literally um I was on duty watching the

33:24when he knocked out a Jermaine Sterling,

33:25you know, like and I'm like recording

33:27it. Even my face on that video was just

33:29like pure, bro. Like I was like, "Bro,

33:31me to get out and fight this guy. What

33:33the?" [laughter]

33:35But no, Francis is awesome, man. He's

33:37super nice.

33:37>> Do you think he'd still be the champ if

33:39he's in the UFC today?

33:40>> Yeah. Yeah, bro. Who Who gonna be

33:43[ __ ] ser?

33:45>> Only John, right? Maybe. Yeah, that was

33:48the fight to make, you know. That was

33:49the fight to make, but I it never

33:51happened. It was crazy because I thought

33:52that would have been that would numbers,

33:54you know,

33:54>> would have been huge, bro.

33:55>> Which is crazy cuz like they they like

33:57were so with him like on the come up,

33:59you know, like they helped him so much.

34:01>> But Dana says he like robbed him.

34:03>> Yeah, I heard about that.

34:04>> That would be pretty scary.

34:05>> That's kind

34:06>> I wouldn't want to get near. [laughter]

34:09>> See, I don't know.

34:11>> Scared too, bro.

34:12>> That's That's [ __ ]

34:13>> I don't want a gun grabbing me, bro.

34:15[laughter]

34:16You've been chill son and he had like a

34:18little beef with him and I guess was

34:19across the parking lot. He was like,

34:20"Oh,

34:22>> so I have to go down." [laughter]

34:25>> Yeah. No, that's

34:26>> And is the only guy who can scare other

34:28fighters, bro. He's just different.

34:29>> Yeah, he's different for sure.

34:31>> Who is on your list of guys that you

34:33want to fight?

34:33>> Just pulled off the biggest upset in MMA

34:35history. I feel like I won a world title

34:36right now, you know? So, I'm not looking

34:38at like, oh, get a top 15 opponent, get

34:41a a top five. Like, like what? Who?

34:44Like, I off the top of my head, I can't

34:46think of anyone. Yeah, I want to fight

34:47that guy. You know,

34:48>> you want it to be a spectacle on a

34:49pay-per-view.

34:50>> Yeah, of course. You know, like it has

34:51to be a big fight, you know? I pulled

34:53off the biggest upset MMA history, you

34:55know, like that was supposed to be that

34:56guy. They're talking about, yeah, he'll

34:58be world champion next year. He's

35:00supposed to be fighting MSG, you know.

35:01So, guess that's me now, you know. So,

35:03uh yeah, I got to meet with the UFC. I

35:05got to talk to them and see see what

35:06they have in planned for me cuz like I I

35:08was supposed to be the the lamb to the

35:10you know and like I

35:12had the plan. Yeah. Upset the

35:14>> back against the wall coming off of two

35:16losses. 15 to1 underdog. Entire world

35:19picking against you. Jon Jones in the

35:21corner.

35:21>> Yeah. The reaction cam was was

35:23beautiful. Yeah. People are loving that.

35:25[laughter]

35:27>> That's got to feel good, bro.

35:28>> It does. It feels so good.

35:30>> Have you been watching like all like the

35:31people who picked against you like that

35:33too? like

35:34>> they kind of all disappeared, you know.

35:35I was getting like thousands of comments

35:37before saying like, "Oh, like enjoy your

35:39fame before you go to sleep and all

35:40that, but it kind of I think it got

35:42overwhelmed with all the memes and all

35:44the

35:44>> Do you save those comments like bolton

35:46poor mach before you fight? Like does

35:47that help motivate you as well?"

35:49>> I just block people, man. If I don't

35:50like what you say, I'm just like block I

35:53block people quick, man. Like I don't

35:55have I don't allow negativity to enter

35:57my space, you know? Like [ __ ]

35:58>> You picked that up in your psychology.

36:00>> Yeah. Yeah. I was just like it takes too

36:02much energy to like argue or try to

36:04debate or like if you don't like me cool

36:06keep it moving man. Yeah that's it.

36:08>> You see fighters all the time they get

36:09sucked into

36:09>> I definitely like fight week I was

36:11trying to turn the notifications down

36:12trying not to be on Instagram as much.

36:14No I just block.

36:15>> You have any fight day rituals? Like

36:16anything you like to do for a fight.

36:18>> I I was doing breath work and like just

36:20very deep meditation visualization you

36:22know prayer. I was just really praying

36:24like it wasn't even like a a proper

36:26prayer. It was just like a me like me

36:29like, "Hey God, like if you're real, I

36:30could really use some help, you know,

36:32like I'm a believer. You help me pull

36:33this off, you know?" So, I think that

36:35that gave me a little bit of a spiritual

36:37awakening, you know, cuz for it to

36:38happen in that that way, I was like,

36:40man, definitely felt like some divine

36:42intervention for sure. So, that's

36:43usually what fight day looks like, you

36:44know, just visualization and just trying

36:46to like just relax and just not let the

36:49moment get to me.

36:49>> Did you visualize the first round?

36:51>> No, I visualized myself going through a

36:53I visualized myself getting my knees

36:55caved in from oblique kicks. Visualize

36:57having to get up in the third round

36:59completely exhausted, having to punch

37:02and elbow and knee and just like grit a

37:05dog fight out. Like that's what I was

37:06thinking. That's why when you saw him

37:08fall, my eye was just jumped on him.

37:11Yeah. They got me the trading card. You

37:12saw the trading card?

37:13>> Yeah, [laughter] bro. How dope is that?

37:14>> Yeah, that's nuts. I mean, I don't know

37:16how many I sold, but I think I sold.

37:17>> Are you going to They ain't you in the

37:19video game?

37:19>> I think I'm going to ask for that next.

37:20Yeah.

37:21>> Yeah, bro. I would call him right now.

37:22Yeah, while you're hot.

37:23>> Put it Put it in my negotiations. You

37:25know, I need video game. money a new

37:26TRX.

37:27>> Yeah, I know. [laughter]

37:29>> Let's go, man.

37:30>> Video game money, bro. Whenever someone

37:32uses your character, right?

37:33>> Yeah. Yeah. That's how it works. The

37:34more they play with your character, you

37:36get paid, huh?

37:36>> For Yeah. Like I think they might even

37:38do like a DLC pack. People can buy your

37:40character, too. Like they got different

37:42splits. So, are you going to get into

37:44the streaming world now?

37:45>> I I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I

37:46see like that's where a lot of people

37:47are making their money now. You know, I

37:49feel like that's what's next. And um

37:50yeah, just the fact that maybe I connect

37:52with Neon and and get set up like he's

37:54one of the best in that. I think maybe

37:56Aiden Ross too. Um we have some mutual

37:58friends. So I wouldn't be opposed to it,

38:00man. Like that's the thing. Like

38:01fighting is amazing, but it's just like

38:02a small chapter of my life. And it's

38:05like I also have to think about what

38:06comes next and start setting up ventures

38:08in that that aspect. You know,

38:09>> you're doing all these podcasts. You

38:11might want to start a podcast.

38:12>> Uh maybe. Yeah, maybe. I don't know.

38:15[ __ ] How's it work out for you? Yeah,

38:17>> it's working pretty good.

38:18>> Do you get paid for per views? Like how

38:20does that become?

38:20>> So you get So it's set up sponsors, bro.

38:23>> That's what it is.

38:24>> All about the sponsors. Yeah, it's all

38:25about sponsors, advertisers based on

38:27your numbers, right?

38:28>> Yeah, cuz right now I got like 60

38:29million views on my Instagram. Like my

38:31thing is going crazy. I'm like not

38:33making a dime off of it anymore.

38:34>> Well, bro, if you had a podcast getting

38:3560 million views, you'd be making

38:37millions of dollars.

38:38>> Yeah. So, that's the thing. Yeah. You

38:40got to put transition to somewhere

38:42that's monetizable.

38:43>> Yeah, for sure.

38:44>> Yeah.

38:44>> You don't make anything off Instagram?

38:46>> Not really. No, it just drives the

38:48podcast.

38:49>> It's like tools. Instagram, Facebook,

38:51Tik Tok. That's what for Neon, too.

38:53>> Yeah. He wants them to all watch his his

38:55his kick,

38:56>> you know, and then he makes money off

38:58that.

38:58>> I need to figure out cuz like everyone's

38:59telling me like, "Hey, some merch, get a

39:01digital product. You have to have

39:03somewhere to funnel the engagement that

39:05you're getting, you know, and I was like

39:06trying to figure it out, you know."

39:07>> So, that's a lot to balance. We're

39:08trying to be a fighter, too.

39:09>> Yeah. Exactly. You know, like I need a

39:11like a lawyer, a financial adviser. I

39:13need like a team, you know? So, that's

39:15the that's the part that I'm navigating

39:16right now is like figuring out how I'm

39:18going to use my platform that I've been

39:20given right now, you know? And obviously

39:21like I want to be able to help like in

39:22in charities and help with the veteran

39:24community and like things that are

39:25bigger than than fighting, you know? I

39:27think that's going to be huge.

39:28>> It's so hard to balance, bro. Like you

39:30probably have this vision of being on

39:32the precipice of a title shot, becoming

39:34the UFC champ, everything you dreamed of

39:36and then you have all these

39:36opportunities flying at you trying to

39:38monetize it all at once, trying to help

39:40your people. Like that's a lot to

39:41balance.

39:42>> Yeah, 100%.

39:43>> Yeah. The only way is like meditation,

39:45breath work, right? Just like

39:46>> Yeah. I mean that that's something I

39:48haven't gotten a chance to do is like I

39:49usually journal and stuff and that was

39:51that's been bothering me that I'm like

39:52damn I haven't even been able to journal

39:53about the fight and like everything. So

39:55I'm going to get to that this week. But

39:57um meditation and and breath work that's

39:59going to be crucial. But I think also

40:00just setting myself with the right team,

40:02you know, that's what I'm kind of like

40:03been talking to like some people about

40:05like that people I trust cuz right now

40:06it's like everyone's like hawking like

40:09everyone wants to be a part of it and

40:11it's just like very difficult to kind of

40:13differentiate who's real and who's fake.

40:15By the way, we didn't talk about this,

40:16but to get talk about our backstory, I

40:19called Mark, our CEO. I was like, "Yo,

40:20hit Justin Gate and see if they have a

40:22contact for Sean Sher cuz I picked him

40:24and I want to get him on the podcast."

40:26And then I followed you and you followed

40:28me back like an hour later like, "Did

40:29you pick me?" And I was like, "Yo, Mark,

40:31you just messaged me."

40:32>> He's like, "That's manifestation, bro."

40:34>> No, 100%.

40:35>> You literally manifested him on the

40:36podcast. Yeah, cuz that's what I was

40:37also trying to do was like when I was

40:39talking about like social media like I

40:40was trying to go through and like see

40:41like people that were actually like

40:42following me that that were like actual

40:44like of significance, you know, and um I

40:46saw you follow me. Let me see if he won,

40:48you know. But yeah, we have the same

40:49manager, Gi Gi and I.

40:51>> Yeah. Okay. Dope, bro. Dude, love those

40:54guys. No one's helped me more and asked

40:56for less than Justin Gi.

40:57>> Really?

40:58>> I can't tell you all the opportunities

40:59that have come since our last podcast.

41:01We did 40 million views in like a week.

41:03>> What kind of opportunities come from

41:04that? like sponsors, advertisers, like

41:06brands hitting me up. Like I don't know

41:08if maybe you don't see it if I don't do

41:10the gate pod cuz we got 12 million views

41:12last week. Like I don't know, maybe they

41:13put my at the top of your messages cuz I

41:15don't know. But like

41:16>> just like everything has gone right

41:18since I shot the gate pod. We did

41:20800,000 views on the long form. Like

41:22>> where do you put on YouTube? Is that

41:24that's where you monetize it?

41:25>> Yeah, on YouTube. And then the clipping

41:27went so ballistic and like everything,

41:29bro. Like so many like people hit me up

41:31after that. It was crazy. We posted the

41:33video. The first one had like 7 million

41:35has 7 million views.

41:36>> Wow.

41:36>> I was like, "Bro, what?" That's why I

41:38say he's the biggest star. The only

41:39thing he asked for is just to kick my

41:40ass.

41:42>> Wow.

41:42>> All he wants to do is fight me, bro.

41:44>> Yeah. That's crazy.

41:45>> We were doing the pod. He's like

41:46uncomfortable. He's like, "I don't like

41:47speaking. Like, I don't like podcast. I

41:49don't like doing any of this shit."

41:50>> And then at the end, he's like, "We're

41:51going to spar now. We're going to spar.

41:53You ready?" I'm like, "Oh,

41:56>> sport here.

41:56>> At Onyx."

41:57>> Oh, you you went out there for the

42:00>> You got to come to get Justin, bro.

42:01>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm down. Yeah, they uh

42:03they started following me even way

42:05before the fight. Um Onyx Sports and I

42:07think Justin Gi's like

42:08>> you should Yeah, you should do their pod

42:10like they have like what hones you and

42:12do some content with Gachi for sure.

42:13That'd be sick, bro. The two Americans.

42:15>> Yeah, I love that.

42:16>> The American underdog story, bro. I love

42:18that, bro.

42:19>> Yeah, he was there too at the fight.

42:20Yeah, I saw I didn't see him when I

42:22walked out and all that, but I saw in

42:24the some of the highlights that he was

42:25there in the crowd.

42:26>> Oh, he's like hype, bro. He loves He

42:28loves, bro. dude. He literally probably

42:31like gets arousing. He's like [laughter]

42:34>> I haven't met him personally yet, but

42:36>> No, he's he's so chill. He's like you

42:38though, I think. Like just chills with

42:39his dog. Like literally. [laughter]

42:42>> Before we head out, one thing I like to

42:43ask my guests and I think especially

42:45relevant with you. What's one thing

42:46about Sean Shro that nobody knows?

42:49>> I don't know if I want to tell everyone,

42:52man. I don't know. I just got a crazy

42:54story, brother. There's just like so

42:55much to it. But um I think the biggest

42:57thing that I just want to put out is

42:59just the self-belief, man. I just want I

43:01just want people to know how powerful

43:02they could be and and how they could

43:04take control of their mind, especially

43:05nowadays where we're so distracted with

43:07everything and so almost negativity and

43:10all this. It's just like I just want

43:12people to understand how how they could

43:13control their mind and how everything

43:15everything happens up there. You know,

43:17once you see it in here, you can make it

43:18a reality. So yeah,

43:20>> I love it. You're living proof, baby.

43:21>> That's it, brother. Manifestation is

43:23real. John Sherro, manifestation is

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