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0:11Hello to you who are tuned in to our

0:13Radio Defensora programming , another

0:15Cultura na Mesa podcast is starting

0:17with me , Beatriz Priquinho , talking

0:19about art , actually it's by Milomen ,

0:21who is here with me . He's a visual

0:26artist here in Horaima , but he also

0:27recently produced the first artistic

0:29furniture in our state , there's a

0:31partnership there too , right ? Anyway , I

0:34wanted to thank you for accepting the

0:36invitation , welcome .

0:38Thank you . It's always good to be here

0:40talking about art , talking about our

0:42art scene . Explain to me a little about

0:46this idea , where did this project come

0:48from , to build the first artistic

0:50furniture ? Actually , it came from the

0:55idea of doing a collaboration with Lara

0:57Hilmy , who is an artist from Fortaleza ,

0:59right ? We didn't know each other . The

1:03most interesting part of the story is

1:05that we didn't know each other . We

1:08talked online and discussed what the

1:10artwork could be . It wasn't clear what

1:15it could be – a panel , a sculpture ,

1:17well , she's a painter , she also sculpts

1:19in plaster . And at the time we were

1:21talking , I was finalizing the prototype

1:23of a piece of furniture that I'm going

1:25to launch in the United States , right ?

1:28It's a commercial , signed piece of

1:30furniture , very regional , very

1:31Hororaimo-esque . And I thought , why not

1:35make an artistic version of this

1:37furniture ? Because , well , signed

1:40furniture is also a work of art , but a

1:42more commercial work of art , right ?

1:46Artistic furniture is more of a

1:48sculpture than just furniture . I

1:50usually joke that it's a sculpture you

1:52can sit on , for example , right ? If it's

1:55an armchair , which is the case , she

1:57thought the idea was great and we

1:58joined forces , right ? We spent 60 days

2:01talking and aligning things remotely ,

2:03and another 60 days executing it here .

2:06She came from Fortaleza to here , we did

2:08the work together . I already had the

2:11engineering project for the furniture ,

2:13right ? The structure was conceived , and

2:16the details were worked on throughout

2:18the process , right ? And the concept was

2:23basically to create a piece of

2:24furniture that represented our vision

2:26of Hororaima . And that's the most

2:29interesting thing . It's not furniture

2:31that represents Hororaima ; it's the

2:33vision of someone from Ceará who

2:34didn't know Hororaima , together with

2:36someone from Hororaima

2:39who knows it in their own way . I

2:41confess that I don't know Hororaima

2:43like many here do , right ? I'm an urban

2:45Roraima native , right ? From Boa Vista ,

2:47the son of a gaucho and a goiano , right

2:49? So , I have a very particular history ;

2:51I'm not a reference point for a vast

2:53area , that's the truth . In fact , nobody

2:56is , because everyone here is so

2:57different , right ? Everyone came from

2:59elsewhere and so on . So , we combined

3:03our visions and converged on this idea

3:05of what Hororaima is , right ? The

3:09beauties of Hororaima . And in the

3:12armchair , you can see references to the

3:14waters of the Amazon , right ? Streams ,

3:17rivers . Because the armchair resembles

3:21a boat . There's also this issue . On the

3:24sides , we have carved plaster depicting

3:28the immense flora and fauna . So it's an

3:32extremely exclusive piece of furniture ,

3:34impossible to replicate , and there's no

3:36intention of doing so because it's

3:38truly unique . It's the first piece of

3:41furniture from Roraima . And this title ,

3:44let's say , was only identified during

3:49the process , which I didn't know about .

3:54During the manufacturing process , I

3:55started researching to see if there had

3:57been any artist , architect , or

3:59individual in Roraima who had made

4:01furniture with this style , with this

4:02intention . And no , in the history of

4:06Roraima , there never was . So , we

4:09embarked on this project with this high

4:11standard , this very high responsibility

4:13of making the first piece of furniture ,

4:15without a doubt , one of the most

4:16beautiful artistic pieces of furniture

4:18in Brazil , right ? That was our

4:22intention . And the final result was

4:25very cool , very interesting , right ?

4:28From the process to the final result ,

4:30it was a unique thing in my career . I

4:32had never worked with anyone before .

4:34Always alone , right ? Always alone ,

4:39except for one exception , Larissa

4:40Vilela , who lent me one of her works

4:42for me to intervene on , but it was a

4:44lot of work ; she had already done her

4:46part , and I did mine later . So , in that

4:55case , no , we were always together ,

4:57those intense 60 days , working there 10

4:59, 12 hours a day on the piece , seven

5:01days a week , bringing more people

5:03closer . We brought in Jamil Vilela , who

5:07, despite the surname Larissa Vilela

5:09and Jamil Vilela , they are not related ,

5:11right ? A coincidence , but Jamil is a

5:18local craftsman and artist , and we

5:20brought him in to work on the wood

5:22fitting , just as I worked with Seu

5:24Antônio , who is also a carpenter , who

5:26was part of the process , and there was

5:28an upholsterer ; in short , there was a

5:29team , but the two thinking heads were

5:31always there , mine and Lara's , to make

5:33this project happen . I was curious to

5:41know how you met her .

5:44So , she was lucky enough to meet a

5:45young man named Samuel , who is a friend

5:47of mine ,

5:48over in Ceará .

5:49And they're getting married . Yes ,

5:50they're getting married .

5:51Oh , he's from

5:52there . He's from there . And then he

5:54called me , texted me , I don't remember .

5:57He said : " Hey , listen , I'm marrying an

5:59artist and my dream is to see you two

6:01working together . To unite love and

6:04friendship . " I'm

6:06going , yeah , I'm going . So , I said : "

6:08Hey , send me her portfolio , let me see

6:10if this love is sincere , right ? "

6:12Because , usually the groom speaks too

6:14highly of the bride , right ?

6:15He's in love , of

6:17course . And I looked at her work and

6:19it's really very good . Then I said : "

6:21Samuel , let's talk , send me her contact

6:23information , we'll exchange ideas . " And

6:26so , my relationship with Lara was built

6:28during the process , which is also very

6:30interesting , right ? And we got to know

6:33each other during the hardships , right ?

6:35Well , the rush , the exhaustion , the

6:37stresses of the process , because making

6:39artistic furniture is very complex . The

6:43engineering aspect of furniture is much

6:45more difficult than commercial

6:46furniture . There are many pieces , many

6:50details , and everything is handmade .

6:53There wasn't a robot , there wasn't AI ,

6:56there wasn't anything there that wasn't

6:58human beings welding , cutting wood ,

7:00sanding plaster , sculpting , painting ,

7:02and so on . And this concept , you're

7:07talking about here to understand , to

7:09explain to those listening , especially

7:11on Spotify , which doesn't have an image

7:13of the armchair , but for those on

7:19YouTube , we'll put a picture of the

7:20armchair there later .

7:22But for those who aren't listening , who

7:24won't be able to see it right now ,

7:26explain this concept to us , right ?

7:29Because there's an idea , as you

7:31mentioned , of the perspective of

7:33someone arriving in our state , like

7:35Lara , and your perspective from here ,

7:36from someone who lives here , at least

7:38in the city , right , in the capital Boa

7:40Vista , as you said , this perspective

7:43of a resident here in Roraima . We have

7:46our view of the Rio Branco here in the

7:48center , we have a beautiful sunset , in

7:50short , we still have this close contact

7:53with nature . Uh-huh . And Lara from

7:55Ceará , right , who also has , well , a

7:57lot of contact with nature and also

7:59with the sea , but it's a different

8:01approach and everything else . Uh-huh .

8:03What is this idea , right , this concept

8:08of the furniture itself , of the design ,

8:11right , let's say , of the work ,

8:13with the idea of what you want to

8:14convey ?

8:16So , the furniture in question is called

8:18the " Forest Chair . " This furniture was

8:21inspired by a piece of furniture that

8:23I'm going to launch abroad , called the

8:25" Forest Chair . " In Brazil I call it the

8:27" Forest Chair , " but in English it's the

8:29" Forest Chair . " The Force Chair has

8:32exactly the same dimensions , but

8:33aesthetically it's quite different from

8:35the Leite de Proa armchair . But the

8:40metal structure has the same dimensions

8:42. So , being triangular , it strongly

8:45resembles a boat ,

8:47the bow of a boat , right ? Exactly . The

8:49front part of the boat . And the coolest

8:54thing about this project is that we

8:55built an object that , if you look at it

8:57from the front , you see the front of a

8:59boat , but if you look at the back of

9:00the armchair , you also see the front of

9:02a boat . So it's a bow from both sides ,

9:07in its own way , in its own aesthetic

9:09and everything else . I also tried to

9:13bring in my vision of Hororaima , which

9:15you mentioned , the two points of view ,

9:17for example . The back part is sculpted

9:23and strongly resembles a work I have

9:25called Reflection of Shadows , which is

9:27the Sand of the Rio Branco , represented

9:29in wood . So , I brought to my

9:33imagination references from Hororaima ,

9:35but also references from within my

9:37portfolio , from within my work . Lara

9:42came with a very pure perspective

9:44regarding her expectations of what

9:46Hororaima is . She simply arrived , and I

9:50showed her what I could . On the first

9:52day , I already put her in the car . " Oh ,

9:54let's go there , let's go to the beach . "

9:56One day Kurupira was full , so we

9:58couldn't go . But let's go to Polar

10:00beach . I drove her around the city , but

10:03also the outlying areas , so she could

10:05see the nature , and she felt that it's

10:07different . The savanna is a very

10:10different biome from what you find in

10:12the Northeast . So she went there on her

10:17own , and obviously through my influence

10:19, right ? I present the reference , and

10:22she absorbs it in whatever way she

10:24wants . So it was kind of like that ; she

10:26captured the essence in her own way .

10:29And that's what I wanted . I really

10:31wanted it to be like that , a 50/50

10:33participation . You make your own

10:35reference , you are free to create . And

10:38I am free to create based on my

10:39references . The two of them will work

10:41out well because we already had things

10:43in common . For example , I really like

10:45Art Deco and Art Nouveau , which are

10:47aesthetic styles from the beginning of

10:49the last century . She also really likes

10:51Art Nouveau , especially since she

10:53paints in Art Nouveau style , so I

10:55already knew it would work . I knew her

10:57language would mesh with mine and the

10:59arguments would match . So , it was a

11:04creative dynamic , because every

11:06creative process has to have that , it

11:08has to have these almost playful

11:10interactions to stimulate creative

11:11things , which worked out really well ,

11:13because you have the freedom to create

11:15and obviously we have interventions or

11:17suggestions , right ? Look , you could do

11:22it this way , that way , but in general

11:23it was pretty much that , her vision of

11:25Roráia and my vision . Now , if you ask

11:28me , in fact , if I ask you where it ends

11:30in the work , if you look at the work ,

11:32where my vision ends and hers begins ,

11:34you won't know where ,

11:37because they clicked so well . Obviously

11:39, yes , right ? Because everyone did

11:42their part , sometimes we did it in

11:44pairs , and so on , but what I mean is

11:46that the aesthetic became so

11:47homogeneous that you can't tell , it

11:49blended so much that you don't know who

11:51did what there or who participated in

11:53what idea , right ? That's really cool ,

11:56that's really great . The objective , one

11:58of my main objectives was that . I

12:00didn't want a mosaic , like , this part

12:02is mine , this part is yours , right ? I

12:05wanted it to be a single work , a single

12:07message . And it conveyed the message ,

12:09that it really merged , right ?

12:11Totally . Yes , totally .

12:13Just like the action of what you guys

12:15do there , since you work a lot with

12:17metalwork too , right ? With the

12:20production of iron , steel , right ? So ,

12:24merging is really part of the process ,

12:26right ?

12:26Without a doubt . And the coolest , most

12:28beautiful thing about the story is this

12:30: the steel hardly appears in the work ,

12:33because the steel is what sustains the

12:35whole project , it's backstage . So , what

12:38stands out most in the work is the

12:40tapestry , which is a blue velvet , and

12:42the plasterwork , which , my God , is what

12:44draws the most attention , because

12:46imagine a piece of plaster furniture ,

12:48this thing isn't going to break , it

12:50raises questions , right ? And the carved

12:53wood . I also work with wood , but my

12:56forte is steel , right ? So , my strong

12:59representation is hidden behind the

13:01other pieces , right ? But anyway , I

13:04think it's beautiful , I think it

13:06brings a delicacy to the whole concept

13:08in the story , right ? The steel is what

13:10sustains it , right ? We can even reflect

13:12on life here , right ? No.

13:14Yes , yes .

13:15The steel that sustains it and all the

13:17plasterwork , the wood there with the

13:18decoration , with the finishing around

13:20it .

13:20I even joke like this , look . I'm a more

13:23rustic guy , I don't have many , you know

13:25, many half-measures , sometimes in

13:27situations of objectivity . Lara is very

13:31delicate , she's a blue-eyed princess ,

13:34you know ? She's very ... well , isn't she ?

13:36And so , that's it , the plaster is her ,

13:39you know ? I'm the metal , I'm the steel ,

13:41the rustic wood . And there's a lot of

13:43that , the representation of our

13:45personality in the materials . That's

13:47really , really cool , isn't

13:48it ? And you can make several analogies

13:50with life , even here . I've already

13:52created several ideas to write

13:53something cool there .

13:54Yes . So , art is like that . Art is like

13:57that , I have my story to tell , which is

13:59what I built to make that piece of

14:01furniture , but from there it's ready .

14:04Build your story on top of it , your

14:05interpretation . Exactly . There's no

14:08right or wrong . Art is that , it's the

14:11contemplation and absorption of what

14:13you think is the true story , right ?

14:16Your truth , right ?

14:17And it's an art you can sit on , as you

14:19said , right ? So that's really cool and

14:22it's very comfortable . It's very

14:26comfortable because the biggest mistake

14:28with artistic furniture is when it's

14:30beautiful and when you use it , oh no .

14:34No , no .

14:36I tried out a piece of furniture like

14:37that at the SPA in São Paulo . It's a

14:41piece of furniture carved from a single

14:43precious stone called amazonite . It's a

14:47gorgeous turquoise green . The guy made

14:51a small , low armchair , beautiful , a

14:53beautiful design . I spent about 10

14:55minutes taking pictures . And then I

14:58went up to the woman who was managing

15:00the exhibition and said , " May I sit

15:02down ? " Why did I even ask ? Because she

15:05said I could . When I sat down , man , I

15:08felt so uncomfortable , and I thought ,

15:10because I work with product design , I

15:12know what's right and wrong . I thought ,

15:16" Wow , if there was just a little more

15:18curve here ... " And then I thought , " I

15:19shouldn't have asked to sit down

15:21because it took away some of the charm .

15:22" It

15:23had remained only in my imagination . It

15:25had remained imaginary that it was as

15:27perfect , as comfortable , as it was

15:28aesthetically perfect . So you have to

15:30be careful . There's no way around it .

15:32When you make furniture , you have to

15:34have that concern .

15:35And in this process of building this

15:37furniture , what were the biggest

15:38technical challenges ? We're here , we

15:42always point out that we're in a state

15:44in the far north of the country , we

15:46have a lot of resources , especially for

15:49the artistic world , which is very

15:50specific , right ? There's the difficulty

15:54of getting materials , so whatever is

15:56needed to build artistic works ,

15:58especially now this first piece of

16:00artistic furniture in our state . Uh-huh

16:03. No , the difficulty is in getting

16:06screws . We don't have screws in Roraima

16:09for certain things , certain functions .

16:13And it's such a basic thing , right ?

16:15Screws hold everything together , this

16:16television , this table , and so on . We

16:19felt a lot of difficulty . Labor is

16:21difficult because you can't do

16:22everything alone . You have to have a

16:25team , right ?

16:26You have to outsource some activities ,

16:28right ?

16:28Of course , you have to , even because of

16:30the deadline , because what happens ?

16:32Lara came with a specific day to go and

16:34a specific day to return , so we had a

16:36deadline to produce , so we had to have

16:38more people around . We were lucky to

16:41have Jamil , who is an exceptional guy ,

16:43I have nothing but praise for him . He

16:46truly is an artist . He's a craftsman ,

16:49but he's gone beyond the level of

16:51craftsman to become an artist , and he's

16:53a very willing person . We know that

16:56finding skilled labor here in Roraima

16:58is complicated , especially in terms of

17:00the willingness of someone to buy into

17:02your idea and say , " No , let's stay a

17:03little longer , let's stay a few more

17:05hours here to work this out , etc. " So ,

17:07there are always difficulties , but I

17:09expected that . Maybe Lara didn't expect

17:11it because she came from a large center

17:13, right ? She came from the Brazil we

17:16joke about , right ? Well , for me , I'm

17:18already very used to working with

17:20little , with scarcity , scarcity of

17:22money , scarcity of time , scarcity of

17:24materials , I'm super used to it . So , we

17:30adapt and build this furniture in the

17:32most efficient way possible , always

17:34prioritizing quality , functionality ,

17:36and durability as well . So , ideally ,

17:41you have a specific type of screw , but

17:43if you don't , you improvise , you use a

17:45different type of screw or a different

17:48type of fastener . For me , this is no

17:53longer an obstacle , because it's so

17:55normal for someone from Roraima , in

17:57general . If you talk to any

18:00professional who works in architecture ,

18:02engineering , or machining , they'll have

18:04the same difficulties . So , we're kind

18:08of used to it . I believe that the day

18:10I'm living in a big city and I have

18:12everything at hand , I'll find it very

18:14strange , because I won't have it

18:15anymore . It's too easy , isn't it ?

18:18Something's wrong here . How can

18:20everything be here ? Everything I want

18:21is here . How can I not have to invent

18:23something ? Many times we have to invent

18:25the part because it doesn't exist in

18:27the local market . So this is also part

18:31of preparing professionals for large

18:33markets . When you arrive in a market

18:38like São Paulo , Miami , New York , any

18:40major center in Europe , with that

18:42Brazilian expertise of

18:45finding a

18:47way to make things work , of knowing how

18:49to create solutions regardless of the

18:50problem , you already stand out . So , on

18:52one hand , I think that's great .

18:56Obviously , you spend a lot of time , a

18:58lot of brainpower , stress and all that ,

19:00but it's a diversity that's cool . It's

19:03great . And so , it was a great challenge

19:06to do this in the Amazon , because , for

19:08example , I'll give you a basic example

19:09that I didn't know . Wood , which I knew

19:13in part , wood is alive even after it's

19:15dead . It works . If you cut the wood

19:20straight at 8 pm , when 8 am arrives ,

19:22it's crooked , it moves . And I was like :

19:26" My God , how can that not be ? " And then

19:29Jamil would tell me : " Man , Amazon ,

19:31humidity , temperature , the wood works . "

19:35So , we also have the adversities of the

19:37environment that interfere with the

19:39project . So , how many times did we have

19:42to adapt things because they moved ? The

19:45armchair was practically alive during

19:47the process , you know ? So that's part

19:49of it , the difficulties we face in the

19:51Amazon . For sure , if we made this same

19:53armchair in São Paulo , it would be

19:55faster to make . I have no doubt about

19:57it . We would do it in half the time

19:58because they have everything there . I

20:01don't know if the result would be as

20:03good , because many of the ideas we had

20:04for the armchair came from the first

20:06ones that didn't work , so we changed

20:08ideas . So it's part of it , it's part of

20:10it . The hardships are also part of the

20:12final process . And speaking of this

20:17peculiarity of wood , which is a living

20:19thing , a tree , and well , anyone who is

20:21a biologist and works in the forest

20:23area will really understand . But how do

20:31you guarantee , how do you be sure that

20:33it's a durable product , a piece of

20:35furniture that , besides its beauty and

20:37aesthetics , will also be functional ? No

20:42, exactly , everyone's sitting on it all

20:44the time , right ? Because it's also an

20:46art form , but how do you guarantee its

20:48durability , as you said ?

20:50So , our biggest concern in this project

20:53is the plaster . Plaster is the most

20:55fragile material , even more so than

20:57wood and metal . It's the weakest point

20:59of the structure . But we built it in a

21:01way that made it much stronger than any

21:03other plaster . So , among the materials ,

21:06it's the most fragile , but it has its

21:09resistance . When this furniture is sold

21:13, the buyer receives assembly

21:15instructions , which has this detail I

21:17forgot to mention . This furniture is

21:21demountable .

21:22Why ? Because it's not solid . Well , we

21:27can get to that later . Then you can ask

21:30me why this furniture is demountable ,

21:32otherwise I'll lose my train of thought

21:34. So , when the person receives the

21:37furniture , they receive an assembly

21:39manual , an instruction manual for use

21:41and maintenance , because it needs

21:42maintenance . The wood , for example ,

21:47wasn't sealed or varnished ; it received

21:49a natural oil treatment . In other words

21:54, the material used on the wood is

21:56biodegradable , meaning that every three

21:58years it needs to be reapplied with the

22:00oil . So , maintenance is necessary . But

22:05what's the positive aspect of this ?

22:07It's a biodegradable material , it

22:08doesn't harm the environment , and the

22:10wood retains its natural state . It

22:13doesn't look artificially natural . The

22:16same goes for plaster . Plaster requires

22:19a coat of white paint at certain times ,

22:21like the plaster we have at home , on

22:23the ceilings , right ? For those who have

22:25plaster at home . So , maintenance is

22:28necessary , just like with any work of

22:30art . The issue with furniture is that

22:34it has predetermined maintenance

22:36periods , and the owner , when buying

22:37this furniture that's for sale — it's

22:39worth highlighting — will receive these

22:41instructions , right ? And this guarantee

22:46from the artists as well . If there's

22:48any kind of problem , this furniture can

22:50be restored , maintained , and so on . The

22:54care given to artistic furniture is

22:56much greater than for furniture you buy

22:58in a regular store , right ? It's even

23:02monitored by the artists themselves ,

23:03because it's in the artist's interest

23:05that the physical integrity of this

23:07furniture is maintained forever ,

23:08because it's our name that's on it . So ,

23:12there's a lot of care involved . It's

23:14very resistant furniture . Just to

23:16answer your question objectively now ,

23:18it's resistant furniture , okay ? Uh , but

23:22you need to take certain precautions so

23:24you don't damage it . For example ,

23:27spilling water on the plaster will ruin

23:29it , right ? Just like if you keep

23:32spilling water on a fabric or wooden

23:34armchair , it will also ruin it . So , the

23:37precautions are the same , right ? But

23:40they are very specific , and we pass

23:41this on to the client .

23:43Speaking of which , before going in ,

23:45because the chair , or rather , the

23:46armchair , right ? The chair is from last

23:49year , was it last year , right ? Or was

23:51it this year ? Oh , the exhibition was

23:53last year , December of last year .

23:55Yes . It was . Uh , Alba Milhão , we were

23:57here with him , we talked about the

23:59chair , which at the time was a chair ,

24:01right ?

24:01It's a cricket chair , right ?

24:03It was , well , it was quite beautiful

24:05too . And then there were other

24:07exhibitions , anyway , we talked a lot

24:08and now a year later he's talking about

24:10an armchair and I remember the chair

24:12and I keep saying chair , right ?

24:14No , but it's force of habit . Yes . Oh ,

24:16but did you know that most people call

24:18an armchair a chair ? Because it's habit

24:20, right ? To sit where you sit .

24:21Yes , but it's because an armchair is a

24:23piece of furniture , it's a piece of

24:24furniture where you rest more . A chair

24:26can be used for work , it can be used

24:28for conversation and so on . An armchair

24:31already has an aspect of rest , right ?

24:34So much so that the armchair is usually

24:36accompanied by a stool that we will

24:37produce in the future . A stool is a

24:39piece of furniture like a small stool

24:41without a backrest that sits in front

24:43of the armchair so you can stretch your

24:45legs . Yes ,

24:46basically that . She asks for the

24:48armchair , she asks for this extra piece

24:50of furniture , right ?

24:53An addition .

24:53Exactly .

24:54Uh , anyway , in the sense of talking

24:56about this , right ? We're talking about

24:59the sale , uh , this work , how it works .

25:02You even mentioned before we started ,

25:04behind the

25:06scenes of the interview , that there are

25:08behind-the-scenes aspects to the life

25:09of an artist and the production of

25:11these works , how does this art market

25:13really work

25:15here for you , especially in your area ?

25:17Yes . It's complicated to talk about the

25:20art market in Hororaima , because there

25:21isn't an art market in Hororaima . It's

25:24always very controversial every time I

25:26say this , but I'll explain and

25:28contextualize it for you , for you all

25:30as well . What is an art market ? It's an

25:33individual who makes and sells , or

25:35rather , an individual who sells and an

25:37individual who buys , right ? The

25:39individual who sells isn't necessarily

25:41the artist , it could be a gallery , it

25:43could be a shopkeeper , right ? And the

25:45individual who buys isn't necessarily

25:47someone who likes art . It could be

25:49someone who wants to deduct it from

25:50their income tax or wants to make a

25:52donation , an auction , something like

25:54that , right ? So , here in Roraima we

25:57have artists , and great artists , some

25:59have already passed away , right ?

26:03Jaesbel , Cardoso , big names . When we

26:06say great , it's not because they're big

26:08in Roraima , no . It's because they're

26:10big in the world . In Roraima they are

26:13often unknown , right ? You , for example ,

26:16Jaesbel , you have highly sought-after

26:17works , the Museum of Modern Art in New

26:19York is desperate to have a work by

26:21Jaesbel and can't get one . The Museum

26:23of Modern Art in New York , right ? Uh ,

26:26so , they are big artists abroad . If you

26:29go to any gallery in the world and say

26:31Jaesbel , they know who he is . If you

26:35say Monet , they'll know the same , and

26:37Vanog , same thing . So , it's at that

26:40level . We have artists , but we don't

26:42have anyone to sell them . So , we don't

26:45have art galleries , we don't have the

26:47retailers who could sell art , they

26:49don't sell art . Well , if you don't have

26:52a way to offer the product , it's

26:53difficult to sell . But you have buyers ,

26:56let's evaluate who buys . I base my

26:58understanding of art buying on three

27:00pillars , okay ? Purchasing power ,

27:04culture , right ? And formal and family

27:08education . What is formal and family

27:10education ? Formal education is school ,

27:12college ; family education is when

27:14parents teach a child not to litter , to

27:16respect others . That's family education

27:19. Cultural education is when a person

27:22likes culture , likes music , likes

27:23exhibitions , likes theater , and so on .

27:26And purchasing power — sometimes people

27:27think you have to be a millionaire to

27:29buy art , but there's cheaper art . You

27:31can buy a painting for R $ 100 and find

27:34paintings for R $ 100,000 . So , there's

27:36something for every budget , right ? Just

27:38like there are bicycles , there are

27:39bicycles for , I don't know , I'm out of

27:41the bike business , it's been years

27:42since I've ridden a bicycle ,

27:43but there are bicycles for , I don't

27:45know , R $ 500 and there are , I've even

27:47seen bicycles for R $ 100,000 , you know

27:49? Which are sold here in Horim , by the

27:51way . So , there's something for every

27:53budget , there are three pillars .

27:56Eventually , one of these pillars might

27:58shift , right ? Eventually , but in

28:01general , let's say that those who buy

28:03art have these characteristics . So ,

28:05what happens ? If we have a population

28:08that lacks culture , that is , that

28:10doesn't have the habit of traveling to

28:12exhibitions , to theaters , to museums ,

28:14that doesn't make a point of going , or

28:16that doesn't have works of art at home ,

28:18or that didn't receive an education

28:20from their parents and didn't seek

28:21education either , because , for example :

28:23my parents didn't teach me to

28:25appreciate art . My father was a

28:28technician , my mother only went to the

28:30eighth grade , she went to college later

28:32in life , right ? So , uh , I wasn't taught

28:35to appreciate art ; I sought out art .

28:38Therefore , if you have a population

28:40that doesn't have that profile , that

28:42lacks purchasing power , culture , or

28:46education , and you don't have places

28:48that sell art , there's no art market .

28:52That's why I hold this controversial

28:56opinion , so to speak . And how do

28:58artists support themselves ? That's the

29:01question . Look , eventually you have

29:03business in Roraima , but much more

29:04likely you have business outside of

29:06here . The artist is from Roraima , they

29:11are very well regarded outside and very

29:13little seen here in Roraima . So , uh , we

29:18end up doing business outside the state

29:20, outside the country . And here ,

29:24eventually a company buys a work or

29:26some collector , and generally they are

29:28people from outside . More interestingly

29:31, I was going to do one ,

29:32your clients are from outside ,

29:33they are from outside . And the most

29:36interesting thing , those who bought art

29:38here — something I observed the other

29:40day — everyone who bought art here in

29:42Roraima , either their mother or father

29:44liked art .

29:47How cool . They all had a reference

29:49point at home , people who appreciated

29:50art .

29:52Impressive . Impressive . They all had a

29:55reference point , and they were people

29:57who just liked art , they weren't

29:58collectors , right ? There was one case

30:03who had a degree in Fine Arts , and all

30:05that , but anyway , I have this reference

30:07point . So , unfortunately , here in

30:09Roraima , we're quite behind in this

30:11sense , the population is quite behind

30:13in this sense . We lose artists , there's

30:16this exodus , and then we get into the

30:18issue of the collapsible armchair . Why

30:20is the armchair collapsible ? Why ?

30:24Because we built it knowing that it

30:26couldn't stay here , unfortunately , that

30:28it's a very profitable armchair outside

30:30of here , and that here , unfortunately ,

30:32it's not profitable , unfortunately . I

30:35hope that whoever listens will buy it ,

30:37of course , and that it will stay here

30:39in Roraima ,

30:40but it's

30:41more likely that it will go abroad . So ,

30:45we needed to create a project where it

30:47would be demountable , that it could be

30:49placed in a container , in a box , and

30:51could be exported , either abroad or

30:52sent to another state in Brazil .

30:57Anticipating this issue , I've been in

30:59the Roraima market for 5 years , right ?

31:02And throughout these 5 years , I've

31:04developed several marketing strategies

31:06to insert art into the market , to sell

31:07art to the people of Roraima , because I

31:09want to sell art to the people of

31:11Roraima . But unfortunately , the market ,

31:13the people of Roraima , are not prepared

31:15to buy art , unfortunately . Generally

31:18speaking , okay ? I'm not talking about

31:20exceptions . An exception is an

31:21exception . Generally speaking , 99 % of

31:23the population is not prepared . 1 % of

31:26the population is equivalent to what ?

31:28That's 700,000 inhabitants . 7,000

31:30people . Are there really 7,000 people

31:32from Horaima who buy art in Horaima ? Do

31:35they collect art ? I don't think so . So ,

31:37less than 1 % of the population is able

31:39to consume art , right ? We still have a

31:43lot to fight for . I'm not going to give

31:45up on Horaima . I'm migrating to other

31:47frontiers , but I'm not giving up on

31:49this place . This is my place . But I

31:54intend to build my legacy outside the

31:56country , for example , which is also the

31:58case . But I don't want to give up on

32:01Roraima . We're going to do more

32:02exhibitions soon . I want to build

32:05historical monuments , I'm crazy about

32:07building historical monuments , but only

32:09in this way , in the long term , in 30

32:11years , can we change the population .

32:13You have to plant first , right ? Yes ,

32:16it's a slow planting , you know ? It's a

32:18slow tree that you have to plant and

32:19you can't just wait for it to grow , you

32:21have to harvest in other places . You

32:24put the seed here and you go and plant

32:26it in other places too . And that's how

32:27the market works .

32:29Plant one here and harvest mangoes

32:30somewhere else . That's it . It's a tree

32:33that takes forever to grow . That's it .

32:35And it's leafy and beautiful . Yes . Yes .

32:38But the mango tree is also faster .

32:39There's a cashew tree that flowers and

32:41bears fruit faster . So you harvest a

32:42cashew tree in the Northeast , right ?

32:44Exactly . It's all a matter of strategy .

32:46The artist doesn't need to be stuck in

32:47their own land . But it's very , I think

32:49it's very beautiful when the artist is

32:51valued in their own place . I think

32:53that's beautiful before it succeeds in

32:55other places , right ? And , but I think

32:57you already have good admirers here .

32:59Yes . No , no , no , folks . Yes , it's the

33:02exception , not the rule , okay ? The

33:04exception isn't the rule ,

33:05there are exceptions ,

33:07there are . I'm talking about the rule ,

33:08please , for God's sake .

33:10And speaking of that , how does it work

33:12too ? Uh , you don't need to reveal all

33:15your business secrets here either ,

33:16right ? But how do you expand beyond the

33:21territory of Roraima , beyond the

33:22exhibitions you've already done here ?

33:27Alba Momen even had an exhibition at

33:29Mirante , which was also beautiful . I

33:31went to see it . Yes , it was great .

33:33And it was great because he accompanied

33:34me , explained every detail of each work

33:36there . It was really cool ,

33:37fantastic .

33:40So , in this process of first

33:41establishing yourself in the state ,

33:43doing your exhibitions here , how do you

33:45expand your business , your art , what do

33:48you do as an artist outside of it ? Is

33:51it through sheer grit , through struggle

33:53? How does it work more or less ? Well ,

33:55first , and it's worth noting that I

33:57work in two areas , right ? Furniture is

34:00one thing and art is another . The

34:02market is different , right ? They

34:05inhabit the same environment , the same

34:07rooms , so to speak . You have furniture ,

34:10you have paintings on the wall , but the

34:12market , the business , is distinct . So ,

34:15I work in two areas . The two fronts are

34:19different . The furniture part is a

34:23commercial product , like almost any

34:25high-value item . Art is more

34:29complicated . The subjectivity makes you

34:32work harder to get there . Because

34:39there's a bubble , you know , in the art

34:40market , and it takes time to penetrate

34:42that bubble , but once you're in , you're

34:44in the big galleries , the big

34:46exhibitions , you're in museums , and

34:48then it's success . That's where

34:53Jidesbel is today , he's in the best

34:54galleries in the world . So , what

34:59happens is this : work is like planting ,

35:01right ? You plant little by little , you

35:06share your portfolio , you apply for

35:08grants . When I say grants , I'm not

35:14talking about incentive laws ,

35:15exhibition grants , okay ? Exhibition

35:20halls ,

35:21galleries .

35:23What are galleries ? A gallery is a shop

35:25that sells art . An art gallery is a

35:28store that sells art . Basically , that's

35:30it . For a gallery owner to let you in ,

35:32they usually want to represent you . To

35:35represent you is like , I'll use an

35:37analogy to make it easy for everyone to

35:39understand . Imagine a clothing store ,

35:43right ? You're a multi-brand store , you

35:48have several brands , it's not a

35:49franchise , but you have the brands and

35:51you want to represent them here in Boa

35:53Vista and you don't want any other

35:55store owner selling jeans X. So , a

35:57gallery is more or less like that .

35:59Usually , they take on the

36:01representation . Getting into a gallery

36:04is very difficult because there are

36:06dozens and dozens of artists wanting to

36:08enter galleries , and the galleries

36:09choose who they want . So , today in

36:15Brazil , I don't remember the exact

36:17numbers , but just to give you an idea ,

36:19uh , uh , in Manhattan , on the island of

36:21Manhattan in New York , there are 400

36:23galleries . That's more than there are

36:29in all of Latin America , excluding

36:30Brazil . Brazil has , I don't remember

36:33the number , I think around 2,000

36:35galleries . I even question that number ;

36:37I think it's too high , but let's say

36:39there are the same number of galleries

36:41as there are in Manhattan . For example ,

36:43300 galleries . Imagine how many artists

36:47there are in Brazil for 300 or 400

36:49galleries . So it's a very big

36:51competition . So , for an artist to get

36:53into a gallery , and after they're in

36:55the gallery , they're at big events ,

36:57then they get into a museum , that's a

36:59work of 10 , 20 , 30 years . It's a slow

37:01and progressive work , right ? And we

37:04keep planting seeds , sending portfolios

37:06, talking to curators , negotiating

37:08exhibitions and everything else .

37:10Nowadays it's easier to be an artist

37:12than before , because today you film

37:14everything , take photos , and you have

37:16that saved to show someone . So , all my

37:18exhibitions have documentaries , all my

37:20appearances are recorded , I

37:22have a digital archive , right ?

37:24So , exactly , I have a portfolio , I have

37:26a website , I have a whole digital

37:27apparatus . So , this arsenal , let's say ,

37:32of sales , helps me sell myself outside

37:34of here . So , we build relationships ,

37:38get to know curators , directors of

37:40Biennales , and you build it little by

37:42little . In the furniture business , it's

37:44different . With furniture , you go

37:47directly to retailers , to store

37:49curators , and you achieve a much faster

37:51relationship . So , that's why I think

37:56I'll hardly ever leave these two areas ,

37:58because I can't live without art , but

38:00furniture appeals to me because I like

38:02to use the things I make . And furniture

38:06gives you a very good return because

38:08it's faster , that is , you can get there

38:10faster than with works of art , in the

38:12commercial market itself .

38:14Exactly . But after you get , for example

38:17, to a museum , an art gallery ,

38:18something like that , with works of art ,

38:21you're immortalized , literally . You'll

38:24die , 100 years will pass , your work

38:26will be there being seen by millions of

38:28people , you understand ? And your name

38:30will go down in history . So it's a slow

38:32process , it takes time . And being here

38:35in Roraima , it's a little more

38:36difficult . So we're outlining these

38:41strategies , using digital technology to

38:43our advantage to be able to connect

38:45with these key people in this complex

38:46and subjective market that is the art

38:48market .

38:52Your mind never stops , right ? It's like

38:54drinking

38:55chimarrão all the time , and our

38:57chimarrão gives you energy , but at the

39:00same time , it balances you out , doesn't

39:02it ? It gives you good energy . Mate

39:04helps .

39:05And now , talking a little about this

39:07history , right ? I interviewed you last

39:11year , a year ago already . And what

39:14happened this year ? What

39:16transformations has occurred in Milhoem

39:18from last year to this year , and what

39:20are his perspectives for next year ? I

39:24already know you're going to travel ,

39:26you said you're going to have an

39:27exhibition , and you're also going to

39:29launch this armchair in New York , as

39:31you mentioned . No , so here's the thing ,

39:33uh , let's take it one step at a time . A

39:35lot happened this year . Let's take it

39:37one step

39:38at a time .

39:38This year was a year of revelation for

39:40me , actually , right ? The exhibitions

39:44were a success , I think a little over

39:4610,000 people attended the two

39:47exhibitions I did last year .

39:50And remember that the works you create

39:52are exhibited and for sale too , right ?

39:54All for sale . Yes . Yes .

39:56They sold quite a lot , I managed to

39:57sell them .

39:57So , what happened was this : I got

39:59commissions .

39:59Hmm . That's

40:00very good . I like commissions because

40:02the person sees your entire portfolio

40:04and says : " I want something just for me

40:05, made for me . " Something

40:06that nobody has ever even seen before ,

40:08right ?

40:08Exactly . Exactly . Something super

40:11exclusive , you know . Uh , exhibitions

40:13here in Roraima , it's like this , I do

40:16them for promotion , okay ? For sales ,

40:18okay ? But selling isn't my main goal ,

40:22because the works have a somewhat high

40:23average price , and I know the public is

40:25a bit resistant because they're

40:27cultural , as we've already discussed .

40:29So , selling isn't a priority , but of

40:31course , if it happens , it's always

40:33great . But the exhibition is important .

40:37Why ? Because it builds your portfolio ,

40:40it gives you exposure , it strengthens

40:42your career . When it's a solo

40:45exhibition , it's even more so , right ?

40:48So , this year was a year of revelation .

40:52After the exhibitions , I reflected on

40:53what happened and decided to explore

40:55other markets . I left Roraima , went to

40:59the South , to the Mercosur Biennial and

41:01the SPR . The SPR is the largest art

41:04fair in Latin America . The biggest

41:06galleries in Brazil are there . It's one

41:10of the biggest events on the art

41:11calendar . And I came here to the Amazon

41:15Biennial in Manaus to explore , and also

41:17to visit galleries in the places I went

41:20. So , I went to art fairs , biennials ,

41:23and galleries to try to understand what

41:26I was doing , what direction I was

41:27taking . My works are considered high

41:31quality . I kept wondering , are they

41:35really good or is it just something

41:36people think , like ,

41:39a bubble , you know ?

41:40It's like , " Wow , that's great , your

41:42works are really good , " and so on . But

41:44are they really ? It didn't compare to

41:45what's out there . Well , the conclusion

41:48was this : the quality of my work is

41:50equivalent to what's found abroad .

41:53Period . This wasn't just my observation

41:57; through conversations , presenting

41:59portfolios to gallery owners and

42:01curators , I saw that my work is on par

42:03with artists who have been in the

42:04market for 20 years . I've only been in

42:08the market for 5 years . So , I came back

42:12very happy to know that my work is also

42:14unlike anything else out there . So , my

42:19work has an identity . I confess , I was

42:22very afraid of arriving at the place

42:24and saying , " Wow , this looks like what

42:26I've done , doesn't it ? " I was very

42:27apprehensive about finding that , and

42:29there's nothing wrong with that , right ?

42:31But I had this apprehension , and I

42:33didn't identify any artist or any work

42:35that was similar to what I do .

42:37The reference in the artist is

42:38completely different .

42:39I don't know . I don't know why , and

42:42there's something else , words from a

42:44curator here at the Amazon Biennial .

42:46She said : " Look , I know the main

42:48artists from the northern region . None

42:53of them talk about the Amazon like you

42:55do , with sophistication , with this

42:57industrial aesthetic , none of them .

43:01They don't have your identity , it's

43:03unique here in the Amazon . And when you

43:05talk about the Amazon , it's already

43:07unique , right ? Because the Amazon is

43:08exotic , right ? So , I went looking for

43:10that , trying to figure out what I was .

43:13And then I came back knowing I was on

43:15the right track and started to plan the

43:17next steps , right ? It's been two and a

43:20half years since I started developing a

43:21piece of furniture called Polotona da

43:23Floresta . And this year I decided to

43:26finish it with the intention of

43:28launching it . I hesitated to launch it

43:31here in Roraima , I gave up on launching

43:33it here in Roraima and preferred to

43:35launch it abroad . Designer furniture ,

43:37the market is much better received

43:39there . And I'm going to say that's

43:40the commercial you mentioned . Exactly .

43:43Exactly . It's a piece of furniture

43:47where the seat is made of buriti fiber ,

43:49woven by Venezuelan indigenous people

43:50from Etinel . I used a product they

43:57already have and incorporated it into

43:58my project , that is , I didn't interfere

44:00with the originality of the product

44:02they make . I adapted my product to them

44:06, to their product . So it's an

44:11Amazonian product made of steel , this

44:13buriti fiber , and Amazonian wood ,

44:15angelim ferro . So it's a hybrid of wood

44:19, metal , and straw . It's crazy ,

44:20something like that . I'm very

44:22curious now to see it ,

44:23man . It's very cool , it's very nice .

44:26The work is very original , there's

44:28nothing like it . And so , the

44:31international market is sensational .

44:33The American market represents 48 % of

44:36the world market .

44:37And besides that , there's a lot of

44:38value placed on products made in the

44:40Amazon . Thank goodness , right ?

44:42No. And there are a series of added

44:44values , because look , I'm encouraging

44:46indigenous commerce , right ? Because I

44:49buy directly from them . I don't buy

44:50from middlemen , I don't buy at the

44:54retail price they sell to anyone . I'm

44:57not paying less , I'm paying their fair

44:59price . I have a policy that for every

45:03armchair that's sold , I'm going to

45:05plant a buriti tree . Because what

45:07happens ? I really like buriti , I like

45:09to drink buriti . And at one point there

45:12was a shortage of buriti in the city ,

45:13and the seller told me that due to

45:15degradation , the buriti trees were

45:17being cut down from the banks of the

45:18streams . And the buriti isn't a planted

45:22tree . It grows there in the stream , it

45:25climbs . It's spontaneous . And then I

45:29thought , man , it's a chance to help

45:31nature in that sense too , right ? So ,

45:34for every armchair sold abroad , a tree

45:36will be planted . So I'm already

45:39encouraging environmental issues . So ,

45:42I'm bringing local benefits to a

45:44product that will be sold outside the

45:46country , right ? And that adds value to

45:52the product , because when foreigners

45:53see something from the Amazon and they

45:55see that it has history , they see that

45:57there's truth in it , that it was

45:58actually made by indigenous hands , that

46:00the money they put in will help plant a

46:02tree that's almost rare in our biome ,

46:04which is the buriti palm . So , a series

46:09of added values that make the work much

46:11more expensive . And there's another

46:14very important detail : this furniture

46:16is a limited edition . I'm only going to

46:18make 50 units . So , after those 50 , I'm

46:22going to make a new edition , but with a

46:24slightly different aesthetic and other

46:26characteristics . Yes , it will preserve

46:28the buriti wood , which I thought was

46:30sensational , but the aesthetic will

46:31change a little . So , whoever has one of

46:34these limited edition works , it's an

46:36artistic piece with certification ,

46:38authenticity , and so on . So you see the

46:41amount of added value that an object

46:42like this has when sold abroad . So I

46:46sincerely hope it's a success , because

46:48it's an innovative initiative , right ?

46:54And I also wanted to thank PX , the

46:56people at Sebrae who are also

46:57supporting me in this regard . Uh , the

47:04girls , Thaís and Veri , who gave a lot

47:06of support to this project , they bought

47:08into it , and saw the viability in

47:10making this connection . Today I have an

47:17office in Miami , thanks to PX , and

47:18thanks to this office I can do these

47:20businesses , I will be able to do these

47:22businesses within the United States .

47:26Yes , but art is business , right ?

47:29Nowadays I spend more time in the

47:30office than in the studio .

47:33Unfortunately , I wish I were working

47:35more . Yes ,

47:36but you already have a lot of work

47:38produced , right ?

47:38Yes . Yes , but nowadays , whether an

47:41artist or an entrepreneur , they have to

47:43be on the computer , exchanging ideas ,

47:46networking , sharing portfolios ,

47:48negotiating . And that's exactly it . And

47:52from now on , starting in December , the

47:54approach will be exactly that : trips

47:56abroad and the creation of very

47:58regionalist furniture . And there's

48:02another , more important detail : this

48:04furniture is the first Roraima-designed

48:06furniture to be sold abroad .

48:09Absolutely . In fact , you have that

48:12characteristic completely , man .

48:14Ettiness too ,

48:15man . No , total pioneering spirit . We ,

48:18honestly , are in a blue ocean because

48:20there's so much to be done in Roraima ,

48:22right ?

48:23Starting , right ? It's just beginning .

48:25Exactly . I was lucky enough to be born

48:28in '87 and I'm joining a generation

48:30that's starting to do culture in a more

48:32entrepreneurial way now , you know ? So ,

48:37I have a lot to explore , a lot of

48:39pioneering to do , and these milestones

48:41are important for my career , right ? And

48:45for the history of Roraima too , right ?

48:48Because there's a point I wanted you to

48:49comment on , and it's not the first time

48:51I've heard you say this . I read

48:54somewhere you talking about it , I don't

48:56remember anymore , but it was , in fact ,

48:58I don't know if it was in that , uh ,

49:00talking about the armchair , you ended

49:02up also commenting on , uh , the artistic

49:04monuments of the state that you intend

49:06to create ,

49:09as it's part of the history of the

49:11state , right ? Yes . Do

49:13you have any ideas about what

49:14historical monuments to produce for our

49:16state with your art ?

49:17I have ideas . I have two projects ,

49:20actually , several ideas . Every week I

49:22have a new idea . I'm driving and I say ,

49:24" Hey , this roundabout could be used

49:26for , I don't know , a cruviana , you know

49:28? Or some canoes , or whatever , various

49:31ideas . I have , I have an idea for , for ,

49:34for , it's not an idea , it's already a

49:37project , we're in negotiations . Uh , I

49:41have a monument that I want to make in

49:43homage to the immigrants from Rio

49:45Grande do Sul , which was a sculpture ,

49:47both already have sculptures , right , on

49:49a smaller scale , which I'm going to

49:51enlarge and make a larger sculpture ,

49:53you know , informative . It's

49:56like , translating for an architect , a

49:58model .

49:59Yeah , I don't like to use the term

50:00model , you know why ? Because it was

50:03born as a work of art and it will

50:04become a monument after being a work of

50:06art .

50:06Ah , yes . It's a miniature of a future

50:09monument as a work of art .

50:10Ah , no . That's the thing . Before being

50:13a miniature , it's the original . In fact

50:16, the monument that is maximized is the

50:18copy . Exactly . The copy is the Okay ,

50:22you understand ? That's why

50:24I don't use the term " model , " because

50:26we only use " model " when that term is

50:28correct , right ? It's only

50:29for architecture .

50:30No , no , for art too . Because , when you

50:33make a model , it's when you make a

50:34small object thinking about the larger

50:36one , but mine was the opposite . I made

50:39the small one and then I thought about

50:40making it big ,

50:41you understand ? But having a model is

50:43perfectly correct . That's right . So ,

50:47there's the monument to the gauchos ,

50:49which , man , is very beautiful , a very

50:51beautiful piece . I made a tribute to my

50:55father , actually , it's in his house ,

50:57and I want to make these , I really

50:59wanted to make these two monuments by

51:01next year . I have other ideas for

51:05monuments linked to indigenous legends ,

51:07indigenous legends and stories ,

51:09regional legends . I think Boa Vista is

51:15a beautiful city , perfect , clean , flat ,

51:18organized , and it's lacking monuments .

51:22That's all . And there are many places

51:24to put them . There are so many places

51:26in the city . So , if I were to do a poll

51:28, I think on Instagram , it would come

51:30up with , I don't know , about 10 really

51:32cool addresses that could be used to

51:33build a monument , you know ? What will

51:37be lacking is the interest of the

51:38public authorities ,

51:40because that's a whole

51:42other story .

51:44I have a point to consider because , for

51:46example , when I travel , when I

51:49go to visit another city , I always want

51:51to take a picture at the monument , I

51:53want to record it , I want to say that I

51:56was in this city , right ?

51:58And learn about its history too . Yes .

52:02This year I went to Ceará and I went

52:05to an island , actually , a village

52:07called Preo de Jerica .

52:11And walking around the village , you

52:13know ? Because in that region of

52:15Jericquara and Preado , I discovered

52:17this village this year , the streets are

52:19sandy , right ? Right by the sea . And

52:23then I saw the monument of the pioneer

52:25who arrived in the city , actually , the

52:27village , and gave the village its name .

52:30Anyway , it has an inscription there and

52:32a representation of his image .

52:33Yes .

52:34And I already wanted to take a picture ,

52:36right ? So , imagine when this monument ,

52:39besides being just a figurative

52:41portrait of the person or historical

52:42figure , has a history and an identity

52:44in the region , which is the case you're

52:46thinking of , right ? In the monument ,

52:52identifying with the region , with our

52:54city , with our state . That's really

52:56cool . It will certainly attract

52:59tourists , attract creative economy

53:01there , right ? Money from tourism

53:04circulating in our state . I think it

53:06has everything to succeed .

53:07No. And there's another very important

53:09thing . Your pioneering initiative

53:11generates a ripple effect . Other

53:15artists will see you doing it and will

53:17want to do it too . That's great . For

53:21example , the theater exhibition I did

53:23was the first exhibition with

53:25international standards of scopography ,

53:27lighting , scopographic planning , etc.

53:29It was the first in the history of the

53:31municipal theater . This year we've

53:35already had two exhibitions with the

53:37same quality standard , you know ? So , it

53:40only took one person to do it for

53:41others to see that it's possible . So ,

53:44another thing , there were two . There

53:47was a third that ... I thought it was so

53:49cute , there's an initiative from the

53:51city hall where they exhibit the

53:52students ' paintings .

53:54Oh , it was recent . Yes . I don't know if

53:57you noticed , they put lamps , lights on

53:59the paintings ,

54:01and that's characteristic of national

54:03and international exhibitions .

54:04Exactly . It's okay that they didn't put

54:06it up the right way , it doesn't matter .

54:08The important thing is that they were

54:10concerned with making it more beautiful

54:11, right ? More , right ? Oh , let's put up

54:14some lighting to , you know , to better

54:16project the paintings . So , the pioneer

54:19has this function , he breaks and it's

54:21breaking and uh , opening trenches with

54:23a machete . So , when you make a monument

54:27in the city , another artist will say : "

54:29Hey , it's possible to do it .

54:30I have an idea , I'm

54:32going to do it too . " " Man , in about 10

54:34years the city is full of monuments ,

54:36and it's like an open-air museum , you

54:38know ? That's really cool . That's how

54:40you see it , right ? No , I see it , man ,

54:42it's an entrepreneurial vision . I see

54:44it like that . Just so you have an idea ,

54:46what monuments do we have here in the

54:47city ? We have a gold prospector that

54:49was made in '69 , '73 . There are the

54:51pioneers .

54:51The pioneers in '94 . On top of the

54:54pioneer there's a monument , you know ?

54:56Oh , when you go up the stairs , yes .

54:59There's a monument hidden by a mango

55:00tree there that was made in the ' 90s . I

55:03used to play a lot in that little

55:05square when I was a kid . Well , it's

55:06hidden . But anyway , it's there . So ,

55:09what else do we remember ? There's not

55:10much . I think there's

55:12one , I don't even know if it's

55:13identified as a monument , which is the

55:15one from

55:16the military area , the aeronautics area

55:18, right , which is ... " The plane right

55:19there in front of the shopping mall . I

55:21don't know if it's

55:23considered an artistic monument , but we

55:25have one that's very important , by the

55:27most famous artist we have here , Brenan

55:29. Did you know we have a work by Brenan

55:33here in Boa Vista , and everyone passes

55:35by it every day , and I can't

55:37remember where it is ,

55:38man . First , who is Brenan ? Francisco

55:40Brenan was one of the greatest

55:42ceramicists in Brazilian history . If

55:45you go to Pernambuco , the whole of

55:47Pernambuco is Brenan . Praça das Águas

55:51, that little waterfall in front of

55:53Bob's .

55:53Hmm . Yes .

55:54That panel is Brenan .

55:55He even inspired the armchair , right ?

55:57Because I saw some characteristics

55:59there . Is it there or is it just in my

56:00head ? It's just in

56:01your head . But tell me , I want to know .

56:03The actual design there in the plaster .

56:05Yes . No , no , no , no , it wasn't inspired

56:09.

56:09And that one , but it's cool , the

56:11perspective is interesting , the

56:12connections , right ? And that work by

56:14Brenan . If you look ... There , his

56:16autograph is there , 2002 , you know ? And

56:18he's a renowned guy worldwide . Anyway ,

56:21that's

56:21it , end of story . That's all we have in

56:23terms of monuments . So , we have a

56:25beautiful city , which is hard to find

56:27in Brazil . So , the hardest part ,

56:30actually , we already have , which are

56:32the places . Now what's missing ? Public

56:35power , public power to finance these

56:37projects , right ? So , next year , if God

56:41allows me , of course , right ? Give me

56:47health , time and energy , I intend to

56:49negotiate with the public power for

56:50these monuments so we can start an

56:52artistic movement . Exactly . To start

56:57filling this city with works of art ,

56:59you know ?

56:59How cool . Uh , and going back a little

57:03to the armchair , which was the main

57:05theme of this interview , uh , you said

57:07you have plans to sell it to other

57:09places , precisely because you , as you

57:10said , are the exception who consumes

57:12this type of art here in Hortorama . But

57:16even so , If any art admirer appears

57:18here in the state , or anyone listening

57:20to this interview , how can they view

57:22this artwork , appreciate it ? It's on

57:27display for viewing and for those who

57:28want to acquire and purchase it .

57:31This artwork will go to my personal

57:33collection and will be kept there until

57:34the next exhibition , whether here or

57:36elsewhere . There's no prospect of

57:41having another exhibition of it here in

57:43Boa Vista . For purchase inquiries ,

57:46contact me through Instagram .

57:49Which one ?

57:50It's milhomemalbaartarte . Milhoma .

57:55Milom , write 1000 homem all together .

57:58Alba arte . Yes . Or on the website , I

58:03have a website which is milhomen .

58:05www.milhomen .

58:09There you go , that's correct .

58:11It's very easy to find me , man . Just

58:13Google it , you'll find a lot of things .

58:14Here I am , I have the underscores here .

58:16Milhom_line alma_line arte . That's

58:19on Instagram . If you search for

58:21milhomem , it will only work , I think ,

58:23right ? There you go . So , regarding the

58:25purchase , not only of the armchair but

58:27also of my art collection , everything

58:29is subject to availability . On

58:32Instagram , you can find my contact

58:33information ; there's a Linktree that ,

58:35through the Instagram link , you can

58:37also access my complete portfolio of

58:39works . My entire professional life is

58:43there on social media for anyone

58:44interested .

58:47So , for those who want to know a little

58:49more , who are curious , who want to

58:51perhaps acquire other works , right ?

58:54There are many works stored there as

58:56well , right , Milan ?

58:57Yes . No , there's still a rich

58:59collection . There are quite a few works

59:01from exhibitions still available . Look ,

59:04anyone who wants to know a little more

59:06about this work can just access my

59:07social media , Instagram , which links to

59:09other platforms as well , like the

59:11website , and purchase there or at least

59:13view and appreciate the work . There's

59:18also the fact that my studio is closed

59:20to visitors , right ? But occasionally ,

59:23and I do open visits , that is , if

59:25someone is interested in seeing the

59:27works , they can just take a look , right

59:29? Okay , get in touch with me and then

59:32we can see if we can schedule a visit

59:34to the studio . You can see the studio ,

59:36learn how the artworks are made , and

59:38see the artworks themselves .

59:40I set up a really cool showroom at my

59:42home – where I live and work , you know ?

59:44I live in the countryside , and there's

59:46a studio and my house , and I've

59:48transformed my house into a showroom ,

59:49you know ? A gallery , basically . And in

59:52this gallery , there are even works that

59:54aren't mine ; they're from the personal

59:56collections of other artists , who were

59:57collectors before becoming artists , you

59:59know ? So , people will be able to see my

1:00:03daily life , how I work , where I work ,

1:00:05my pets , and so on . It's a really cool

1:00:08experience . So , if anyone is interested

1:00:10, you can send a direct message , and we

1:00:11can think about scheduling a day .

1:00:13So , there you have it , the contact

1:00:15information has been passed on to our

1:00:16listeners . I wanted to thank you once

1:00:20again for your willingness to come here

1:00:22and talk to us , tell us a little bit

1:00:23about it , and show us how this ... The

1:00:25artist's mind is constantly pulsing ,

1:00:27right ?

1:00:28Yes , yes , yes . And , well , your

1:00:30entrepreneurial side , your business

1:00:32side too , this vision really about ... uh

1:00:34... artistic business and commerce in

1:00:36our state . Yes , and I wish you much

1:00:39success now on your trip , right , on the

1:00:41launch of ... what's it

1:00:42called ? I wanted to , no , I wanted to

1:00:44say it in English .

1:00:45Ah , the Forest Chair .

1:00:47There you go . Yes ,

1:00:48the forest chair .

1:00:49It's the forest chair . Uh ... I wish you

1:00:54much success on the launch and that all

1:00:56this ... reverberates interest in our

1:00:58state itself and , as you said in this

1:01:00sense , in artistic production ,

1:01:01especially and the appreciation of what

1:01:03is produced by the indigenous people

1:01:05here in our state , by our fauna , by our

1:01:07flora . Very cool . Congratulations and

1:01:12much success .

1:01:12Thank you for the space . Always a great

1:01:14pleasure to be here .

1:01:15Oh , that's good .

1:01:16Thank you .

1:01:17So that's it . This is Emilião in Alba ,

1:01:20a visual artist , well , many other

1:01:22things too , right ? Uh ... in this very

1:01:25cool conversation . And for you who want

1:01:27to listen to this and other interviews ,

1:01:29just access the official channels of ...

1:01:31Roraima Public Defender's Office on

1:01:33Dieser , Spotify , and YouTube . Just

1:01:35search for @defensorr if you need

1:01:37anything . Thank you so much for your

1:01:40company , and until our next meeting .

1:01:41Bye . Bye .

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