Father Ripperger - A Demon Told This Exorcist: "It's How I Took Your Government Out" | SRS #324

0:02[music]

0:05>> Father Rupnik.

0:06>> Sean, it's good to see you again.

0:08>> It's good to be here.

0:09>> Welcome to our place.

0:10>> It's beautiful here. I would love to get

0:13a tour here.

0:14>> Oh, absolutely. After afterwards, we'll

0:16we'll do it.

0:17>> Perfect.

0:18Well,

0:19like I said, it's it's great to see you

0:21again and I've had a great couple of

0:23days here. Got some heavy work done.

0:26And

0:27so,

0:29we've got a lot to talk about. I've been

0:30highlighting a lot of evil the past

0:33couple years and I haven't talked much

0:35about the good side.

0:37>> Right.

0:38>> And so, I fully intend to do that today,

0:40but

0:42before we get started,

0:43>> [clears throat]

0:44>> everybody gets a gift.

0:46>> Oh, oh, that's right. Yeah.

0:54>> So,

0:55>> That's awesome.

0:56>> This is the

0:58Sig MCX Spear

1:00556 model with a Sig Sauer suppressor on

1:04it. It's got Sig optics, Sig magnifier.

1:07And since you're out here in

1:10Colorado out on

1:11some serious acreage, I thought you

1:13know,

1:15it would make a great gift.

1:16>> Thank you very much. We'll have to test

1:18it out later this afternoon.

1:20>> We'll

1:20>> We'll definitely do that.

1:22>> Thank you very much. Your last gift was

1:24well received. Let's just put it that

1:26way.

1:26>> Well, my friend Jason over at Sig is a

1:28huge fan of you as well and uh he wanted

1:30me to give that to you. So,

1:32There you go.

1:33>> Thank you very much.

1:37>> [clears throat]

1:38>> So, before we get started, if you don't

1:39mind, could you please lead us in

1:41prayer?

1:41>> Sure.

1:43In the name of the Father and of the Son

1:44and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Direct, O

1:46Lord, all our actions by thy holy

1:48inspirations and carry them on by thy

1:50gracious assistance. So, that every

1:52prayer and work of ours may begin from

1:53thee and by thee be happily through

1:55Christ our Lord.

1:56>> Amen.

1:57>> Amen. [clears throat]

1:57>> In the name of the Father, Son, Holy

1:58Spirit. Amen.

2:00So, I'm going to be honest. I actually

2:03came here originally, my plan was a

2:05completely different agenda.

2:07And I came here to attempt to

2:13disarray and destroy

2:16two politicians within the current

2:18administration that I think are going to

2:20over exaggerate their

2:22allegiance to the Catholic Church to try

2:24to sway the Catholic

2:25>> vote.

2:25>> Right.

2:26>> And

2:29I'm not going to do that.

2:30>> Mhm.

2:32>> The last couple weeks I've just realized

2:34that

2:36the battle maybe isn't over the country,

2:38not even over the world. It's over our

2:40souls and over our mind.

2:42>> That's right.

2:43>> And I don't think it matters who walks

2:45into that office. It is going to be

2:48somebody under heavy diabolical

2:51influence.

2:52>> That's right.

2:53>> Maybe even straight Satanism.

2:55>> Right.

2:55>> And I think what we're saying today is

2:59human sacrifice.

3:01>> Mhm.

3:01>> I don't think it matters what side gets

3:03in there. They're either going to send

3:06our youth to war to die for another

3:09country or they're going to

3:11psychologically mutilate their brains

3:13and convince them to mutilate their

3:15bodies and dismember themselves. And I

3:17think that it all goes down to human

3:20sacrifice.

3:21>> Yeah.

3:23>> Do you believe that?

3:24>> Uh I do. I think for some time uh this

3:28was about 10 years ago. I made an

3:31observation in a public conference

3:33that this is no longer a battle of

3:35ideas. It's no longer a battle of, you

3:37know, that people have differences of

3:39opinions. This is a battle of good and

3:40evil at this point. And so many of the

3:44patterns which

3:46we see in the psychological

3:48behavior of [clears throat] people who

3:49are diabolically influenced, you see

3:51those same patterns in the people that

3:53are running the government and you know,

3:55in in positions of power. And so for the

3:58longest time I've I've known that this

3:59is ultimately a battle over good and

4:01evil at this point.

4:03>> [sighs]

4:04>> So, regardless of what as you mentioned,

4:06regardless of whichever political party

4:08or whoever gets in there,

4:09um you know, you can shuffle the chairs

4:12on the deck of the Titanic, but it's

4:14still going to go down if people don't

4:15address this in a spiritual manner.

4:18>> I'll tell you one thing I've learned

4:20over the past several weeks is I will

4:22never

4:23put my hope or faith in another man.

4:27>> Yeah.

4:27>> Ever again.

4:28>> Yeah, and it says it right in scripture,

4:30right? It's better to trust in God than

4:31in princes.

4:33Cuz they'll they'll end up selling you

4:35out every time. I actually saw this even

4:37with when the Jews said we wanted a

4:39king, they told God they wanted a king,

4:41which is ironic cuz the Jews were the

4:43only ones who ever had a theocracy, an

4:45authentic theocracy in the entire

4:46history of the world, and they still

4:48said they wanted a king. So he says,

4:50"Well, this is what he's going to do. If

4:51you if I give you the king, this is what

4:53he's going to do to you." And you know,

4:55he's going to send your he's going to

4:56send your children off to war, he's

4:57going to you know, take your best lands,

4:59he's going to do this, that, and the

5:00other thing. And they said, "We still

5:01want a king."

5:03So.

5:05>> We never learn.

5:05>> We don't learn.

5:08>> So before we get to the good stuff, I do

5:10want to cover

5:12the alien topic again.

5:13>> Okay.

5:14>> I think it's a dark topic and I have an

5:17inclination it's already been put out uh

5:20in messaging that the

5:24aliens

5:26wrote the Bible to control humanity.

5:30That's already a narrative that's being

5:31spread.

5:32>> Right.

5:33>> We have a timeline of events here that's

5:35going on. I'll read them real quick.

5:44And the timeline seems to be speeding

5:46up. Here's Here's the last couple of

5:48months. March 2026, Vice President Pence

5:51says publicly he believes UFOs are

5:54demons.

5:55The spiritual read reaches the second

5:57highest office in the country. May of

5:592026, the US government releases UFO

6:02files in splashy headline-grabbing

6:05fashion. Disclosure moves from fringe to

6:08official. Late May, a group of

6:11charismatic pastors claims US officials

6:14met with them and warned them to prepare

6:16their churches for the theological

6:18implications of disclosure.

6:21>> [clears throat]

6:22>> May 29th to June 3rd,

6:25Stephen Rossetti posted video, "Most UFO

6:28sightings are in fact demons."

6:31Cardinal McElroy removes him at

6:33Washington D.C.'s exorcist within days.

6:36>> Right.

6:36>> June 7th,

6:38Spielberg on CBS Morning frames the

6:40faith question for a mass audience, "Is

6:43our God

6:44Is God Our God only on this planet?"

6:47June 12th, Disclosure Day opens

6:49nationwide in a film which the

6:52government releases UFO files mirroring

6:55real events 3 weeks earlier.

6:57>> Right.

6:59>> Why are we seeing this sudden

7:01fascination within our government in a

7:04sped-up timeline in UFO and disclosure

7:06release along

7:08>> Yeah.

7:08>> that coincides with Hollywood?

7:11>> Uh

7:13My only Uh you know, ultimately, I don't

7:16know why they're going to do it other

7:18than it's just another aspect of trying

7:20to control people psychologically or to

7:23manipulate to manipulate people.

7:26>> [snorts]

7:26>> Um and so that's uh

7:29Part of it is too is is that they're

7:31they're playing on the fact that people

7:33generally are pretty ignorant about

7:34history like, you know,

7:37as we were mentioning that

7:38um you know, that the

7:40that the scriptures were actually

7:41written by aliens, that type of thing,

7:43or that the aliens actually

7:46come here to offer us a way to save

7:48humanity. So, they want to supplant

7:50Christianity and that type of thing. And

7:52so, my suspicion is, you know, again,

7:55and how much evidence I would have for

7:56it, I don't really know, but

7:58my suspicion is is that a lot of the

8:00people that are in government are

8:01actually anti-Christian. And so, part of

8:03their way with their goal is is to

8:06supplant Christianity by an alternative

8:08explanation of our origins and things of

8:11that sort.

8:12>> Do you think it is a possibility that

8:14the narrative that they are going to try

8:16to destroy Christianity by by by

8:19by saying that aliens wrote the Bible to

8:21control us? Do you think that is a is an

8:23actual possibility?

8:25>> Yeah, actually, if you look at the

8:26history of like, for example, of

8:29I mean, the the supposed alien

8:32communication with people other than say

8:34abductions, but there's also where

8:36people claim to have some type of

8:39communication with aliens on another

8:40planet through astral projection or some

8:42other form of

8:44communication. It's always to supplant

8:47Christianity as the solution to man's

8:49problems. The demons or not not the

8:51demons so much, but we can get into

8:53that, too, but

8:55the aliens always say, "Well, we, you

8:57know, we're here, we're coming, or this

8:59is what we want to communicate to you to

9:01provide a solution to all of man's

9:03problems. We can help you out with

9:05that." And then sometimes they even

9:08will

9:10propose that, you know, that human

9:11beings originated for that they were

9:13were basically just the the spawn or the

9:15seeds from their having visited our

9:18planet in the past. So, it's basically a

9:21whole supplanting supplanting of the

9:22Genesis narrative about man's origins

9:25and things of that sort. So, the whole

9:27idea is to supplant Christianity as the

9:31as the actual understanding of

9:35reality ultimately.

9:36>> Would God have made another race

9:39somewhere else in the universe?

9:41Uh well, there's two

9:44my

9:45my view of all these things tends to be

9:47very complex because of the fact that

9:50um as an exorcist, I follow what's

9:52called the principle of evidence very

9:54closely. And the principle of evidence

9:57says that the certitude of our

9:59um judgment about something is based

10:02upon the certitude of the evidence. So,

10:05if the evidence doesn't give us

10:06certitude, we can kind of arrive at a

10:08conclusion, but we don't have that same

10:10degree of certitude that you would have

10:11of of, you know, if you actually saw

10:13something or that type of thing. And so,

10:16uh

10:17that being said, the uh

10:20if you actually look at the actual

10:22evidence um for the possibility of them

10:26living in other locations, it has to

10:29then you have to address questions like

10:30is is macroevolution and microevolution

10:33is macroevolution even possible?

10:36scientifically possible, which is very

10:38problematic. Uh theological and philoso-

10:40theologically and philosophically,

10:42there's all sorts of problems with it.

10:44Uh the other and so and then the reason

10:46for that is is because um the theory is

10:48is that if there was evolution here,

10:51then that means there's evolu- there

10:52would be evolution in the other parts of

10:53the uh universe. And so, um

10:57there would be beings that would, you

10:58know, evolve maybe before us and

11:00therefore be more intelligent, etc. And

11:02so, that's kind of the the scientific um

11:05background that they kind of give to it.

11:07But the the the evolution question is

11:09obviously a whole kind of an interview

11:10on its own. But it's uh but that's

11:13that's that's one of the um questions

11:16that has to actually be answered first.

11:18The second thing then is is I've read

11:21top-tier

11:23uh astrophysicists who actually are

11:25really serious about, you know, not just

11:28um because we see something in the sky

11:30that we can't explain and therefore we

11:31conclude that they're they're from

11:32another planet and that's where the the

11:34principle of evidence is actually

11:35violated because in point of fact just

11:38because you see something you can't

11:39explain doesn't mean there's people on

11:41other planets. That's a logical leap

11:42that is a that's problematic. Um and

11:45then if the uh and then so the and then

11:48the abduction questions which are often

11:50linked to those two things

11:52um then also has another possible

11:53explanation etc. So what's happening is

11:57is that people are not following the

11:58principle of evidence closely but when

11:59you read the astrophysicists

12:01um the top tier astrophysicists they're

12:05all very

12:06uh adamant in saying that the energy

12:09requirements to be able to travel even

12:10from like one of our one of our closest

12:13neighbors is so extreme that it's it's

12:16it's not reasonable to presume that

12:19they're it's even possible I mean based

12:21upon the science and the mathematics.

12:23>> I mean why would God why would God

12:25create other beings anyways? I mean we

12:28he loves us

12:30so much. Yeah. I mean we see we I can

12:34feel the battle within me of good and

12:36evil. I can I can I can feel I think a

12:38lot of people can feel it.

12:40>> Yeah in a certain sense

12:42>> And and and and just a caveat to that I

12:44mean we're the only species on the

12:46planet that even is aware of its own

12:49death.

12:49>> That's correct. Yeah that's

12:51>> Why wouldn't he make another super

12:52intelligence here on this planet? Why

12:54would why would it why

12:55why?

12:56>> Well so

12:58and therein actually lies a a a

13:01a specific philosophical question. The

13:04um if you actually look at there's a

13:06principle called the hierarchy of being

13:08which basically means that when God

13:09created the universe he created it in a

13:12hierarchy from the lowest thing like the

13:14lowest elements rocks that type of thing

13:15all the way up through the highest which

13:17is the angels at the very top and

13:19there's every single intermediate stage

13:22has some kind of a being. This is why we

13:23see all sorts of different kind of

13:25animals and that type of thing um up

13:27that goes up through the gradation and

13:29the human beings are, as we read in

13:31scripture, a little less than the

13:33angels. So, we're the ones that bridge

13:34the gap between the angels and animals

13:36cuz we're the rational animal, right?

13:38So, we're animals, but we have

13:40rationality and that's why we we're the

13:41only ones that have knowledge of that

13:43type of thing.

13:44The and so, what

13:46and then to put it in philosophical

13:47terms,

13:48the specific difference that human

13:50beings have from other animals is

13:51precisely the fact that we're rational,

13:53we're intelligent, and we can know these

13:55things.

13:56Um so, that's what makes us specifically

13:58different. If there are if you have

14:01other beings in other planets, then

14:03you'd actually have a problem with the

14:04principle of the hierarchy of being

14:05because you'd have to have two

14:08beings that have the same specific

14:09difference, but they're not in the same

14:11species.

14:13The other part of it is too is and this

14:14is where the the um the real supplanting

14:16of Christianity occurs. I know there's

14:18theologians who have tried to argue

14:19contrary to this, but it never washed,

14:22which is basically if Adam and Eve were

14:25created in a state of perfection, um and

14:27then they there was a a fall as a result

14:30of that, then when Christ came, he came

14:33specifically to redeem Adam's line or

14:36not yeah, Adam's line. His whole In

14:38fact, the um the fathers say that where

14:41the crucifixion took place is directly

14:43over the tomb where Saint where uh Adam

14:46was buried specifically to indicate that

14:49his was the spilling of his blood to

14:51redeem the line of Adam. And so,

14:53original sin, which was committed which

14:55we all get we all we're all messed up as

14:56a result of that, is passed on to human

14:59nature, okay? If that was the case, then

15:01you would actually if that's the case

15:03theologically, which you know, we all

15:05believe, um even Protestants recognize

15:07that there is this sin that they

15:08originally committed and now we're all

15:10kind of affected by it, then what

15:12happens is um you would actually have

15:14beings in the universe, intelligent

15:15beings that were not from the line of

15:17Adam, but were now subject to the

15:20effects cuz Saint Paul says that um and

15:22which we actually see since the whole of

15:24creation groans under the weight of the

15:26of the sin with basically of Adam. In

15:29other words, all of the all of the

15:31universe got affected as a result of

15:34Adam's sin because he was the one that

15:36was placed and in dominion over the

15:38totality of the naturally created order.

15:41And so when he fell, he took the whole

15:44created order with him and that's why we

15:45see

15:46death among animals. This is why we see

15:48starvation even among animals and things

15:51like that. So even they suffer as a

15:52result of that. Well, you'd actually

15:54have a being that didn't actually wasn't

15:56in that line and you would still be

15:58somehow subject to it. And so this is

16:01that creates a theological problem.

16:03There's all sorts of other issues that

16:05actually arise in relationship to the

16:08whole positing of those creatures in

16:10another location.

16:11The second part about it is is that um

16:15if if you if the fathers of the church

16:17So the fathers of the church are those

16:18that were writing from right at the

16:21death of the last apostles up until

16:22about 800 to 1,000. And the reason why

16:26in the church we tend to pay a quite a

16:27bit of attention to them is because they

16:29were so close to the time of the

16:31apostles that they actually had the

16:33tradition in certain things from the

16:35apostles that was still intact. So they

16:36actually understood um you know, when

16:39this apostles wrote certain things in

16:41scripture, what those things meant

16:42because they had this proximity of

16:44people who were still alive and say,

16:45"Yeah, this is what he said and this is

16:46what we understood by it." So that's why

16:48the fathers of the church are so key,

16:50okay? But the fathers of the church um

16:54uh

16:55you know, basically um uh make it very

16:58clear that we are basically human beings

17:02are the center of the moral universe in

17:04the sense that

17:05um

17:06even the angels that were created, their

17:09entire battle, which we can talk about

17:11later, their entire creation and their

17:13entire battle all revolved around us

17:16ultimately in the end. And so, you would

17:19actually have a situation where there's

17:21beings on other planets where the whole

17:23totality of the angelic order had

17:25nothing to do with them. So, there's a

17:27lot of theological problems. And so, in

17:29the end,

17:31um

17:31this the idea that there's beings on

17:33other planets, which by the way is not

17:35new. This has been around for millennia.

17:37This idea was a whole-heartedly rejected

17:40by philosophers, theologians, and um

17:44you know, even scientists in large part

17:46now.

17:50Let me tell you guys a story real quick.

17:53Once upon a time,

17:55there was a guy who joined the SEAL

17:56Teams.

17:58And then he went to CIA. And he did some

18:00contracting over there.

18:02And one thing he learned is that when it

18:04comes to devices, cell phones, tablets,

18:08computers, pretty much anything,

18:11there is no privacy.

18:13When he got to Central Intelligence

18:14Agency, he had to be issued all these

18:17special devices like black phones

18:21to help protect

18:22sensitive information, so it wouldn't

18:24get out.

18:26And then this guy got out of that, and

18:29he started a podcast.

18:31When the podcast started, he was just

18:33kind of talking to former colleagues,

18:37people over at Central Intelligence

18:38Agency, former SOF guys, DEVGRU guys,

18:42Delta guys. And then it kind of

18:44developed. And it turned into

18:47interviewing politicians. And then it

18:49turned into interviewing presidents and

18:51vice presidents.

18:53And then it turned into heads of state.

18:56And this guy,

18:58through the arc of the podcast, started

19:01really becoming concerned not only for

19:03his own privacy, but also for the

19:05privacy of his team.

19:07They're traveling all over the world.

19:10And so, they went on a venture

19:13and they were looking for

19:15a black phone, a black device that

19:17cannot be tracked. They found it.

19:20And when they found it, they realized

19:21how expensive that is.

19:24It's

19:26almost unaffordable.

19:30So that guy in the story is me.

19:33And so what I've done now

19:36is I wanted to develop an app

19:38that's affordable

19:40for everybody

19:42to protect you and your data.

19:45You see, you don't realize how much

19:48information is being exploited out of

19:51your device

19:53to track you,

19:54to sell your information,

19:57and destroy your privacy. And so I

20:00partnered with a couple of former

20:02intelligence guys, NSA types.

20:07And we developed an app called the

20:09Glacier app.

20:11What the Glacier app is is the first

20:13thing

20:14that I wanted was burner numbers. I

20:16wanted numbers because I'm connected to

20:18all these different people all over the

20:20all over the world, state actors,

20:22politicians,

20:24people I don't trust.

20:26And my number gets leaked.

20:28And then I start getting phone calls

20:29from people that I don't want phone

20:30calls from.

20:32Maybe for regular people,

20:35you're ordering a pizza, you're staying

20:36at a hotel, you're donating to a

20:38political campaign, and then you start

20:40getting all the spam calls, right? Well,

20:43>> [clears throat]

20:44>> now you don't have to do that. You can

20:46get a burner number through this

20:48application that we developed. The

20:50application's called the Glacier app.

20:52>> [gasps]

20:53>> And when the relationship's done,

20:56you just delete the number, you pick a

20:57new one. You can pick any area code you

21:00want.

21:02That way, when you burn the number,

21:04there's absolutely zero way for them to

21:06get back in contact with you. On top of

21:08that, we built a secure DNS. So,

21:12basically what secure DNS is is it

21:14allows you to surf the web without being

21:16tracked.

21:18You know what I'm talking about. You

21:19talk about something with your family,

21:21maybe a product, maybe you want to buy

21:23some new

21:25piece of gear, and then the next thing

21:27you know, you're getting advertisements

21:28all over your phone for it.

21:30Because they're listening, they're

21:31exploiting your data, and they're

21:33selling it. They're tracking you. So,

21:35that's what DNS kind of helps with. Then

21:37we put

21:39an American-owned

21:40us VPN company. So, you see a lot of

21:44these other VPN companies that you think

21:45are American are owned by China, they're

21:48owned by Russia, they're owned by

21:50Israel.

21:52And a lot of these companies own

21:55several VPN, maybe 20, 30, maybe 50,

21:58maybe 100 VPN companies, but it's all

22:01one company that owns it.

22:03And so, we are an data. All the data

22:07stays on your device.

22:14It took a long time to develop this. We

22:16put a lot into it. It's been about a

22:18year, and it's finally here. You've

22:20heard about me talking about it on the

22:22show.

22:23Once again, it's called the Glacier app.

22:25It's available at the glacierapp.com

22:28or on the Apple Store. Right now, it's

22:31only available for [snorts] iOS devices,

22:34but

22:35soon it will be for Android as well, and

22:38we'll send email updates on that. So,

22:42I want you to remember one thing.

22:44Privacy

22:45is not paranoia. It's protection.

22:49Once again,

22:50the glacierapp.com.

22:52Thank you.

22:55I think a lot of people are tracking the

22:57wrong things when it comes to health.

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24:33Why are we so important to God?

24:36I mean,

24:37everything he created is for us, to

24:40protect us, right?

24:43Ultimately, because we live off of I

24:45mean, everything. We we we It seems that

24:48human beings

24:50I mean, we

24:51we're everything to him. Yeah, but I

24:53mean, why? Why us? Why are we so

24:56important? Why does he love us so much?

24:58>> Uh I think there's two reasons. One is

25:00because we're made in his image and that

25:03image the theological tradition is very

25:05clear is because we have

25:08intelligence and free will. So, he made

25:10us that way to be like him in that

25:13regard because his choice to create us

25:15was purely free. He didn't have to, but

25:17he made it. So, he want when he created

25:19us um in fact, St. Augustine makes the

25:22observation that one of the greatest

25:24signs of God's omnipotence is the

25:27ability to create something

25:29and sustain it in being and even sustain

25:31its acts in being that has the ability

25:34to choose between different goods and

25:35isn't determined to one thing. That's a

25:37sign of omnipotence.

25:39And so, in us is the manner is his image

25:43and the manifestation of his glory.

25:46So, if you read um the theologians,

25:48especially like Thomas Aquinas

25:50he makes the observation that

25:53because God is goodness itself, the

25:55proper object of God's love and will is

25:58himself because he's goodness itself.

26:01The difference is is we aren't goodness

26:03itself and so for us to be make

26:04ourselves our own objects of of our own

26:06love basically is disorder because our

26:09good we're only good because we are

26:11somehow participate in his good, okay?

26:14But when he creates us, it's called the

26:17principle of redundance. The good

26:18redounds to us and so we are good um in

26:22many ways and they by virtue of the fact

26:24that we manifest intelligence and will,

26:26we can make choices, we can become

26:28virtuous and so as a result of that, we

26:31he sees the good in us and then that's

26:34why he loves us because we're like him.

26:37>> [clears throat]

26:37>> And so, his love for us and even when he

26:40shows his love for us is directly to

26:42proportion it to how much we're like

26:44him.

26:57>> What was before

27:00everything?

27:01What was before angels? What was before

27:04us? What was

27:07What was before Was Was there always

27:09good and evil?

27:11Or was there just good?

27:12>> There was just good.

27:14Because there was just God.

27:16The difficulty with saying what was

27:18before us is is the fact that we're

27:20transposing time on God.

27:23So, there's actually three states that

27:26beings exist in. There's what's called

27:28eternity, which has neither a beginning

27:30or an end, and there's no sequence of

27:32events. It's just the eternal now.

27:35That's what God is in. And so, God

27:37actually sees what you're doing now,

27:39what you did in the past, what you're

27:40going to do in the future. He sees

27:41whether you make it to heaven. He sees

27:43all of that at the same instant cuz

27:45there's no beginning or end with him.

27:47And so,

27:48in a certain sense, there's no before or

27:50after with God. So, God, who was in

27:53eternity,

27:54um if we want to put it from our

27:56perspective, before he created us, um

27:58even though even that's not entirely

28:01accurate, but God always existed. So,

28:04and God, who's goodness itself, there

28:05was only good.

28:07Then, he creates the angels um into

28:10what's called the aevum, which has a

28:13beginning, but it has no end. And so,

28:15the the angels will always exist.

28:18Um when we die and go to heaven, we

28:20enter into the aevum because it will

28:21never end. So, we'll either be in heaven

28:24or we'll be in hell for all eternity.

28:25So, there's that. In this life, um when

28:29he created us, we he created us in time,

28:32which is kind of a law or a structure

28:33which

28:34uh regulates the passage of matter

28:36through motion. It's basically the way

28:38the philosophers talk about it, but it

28:40has a beginning, and it will have an end

28:41at the final judgment. Okay. So, before

28:45um God created the angels and us, he

28:47always was and so there he would that

28:49would there was only good.

28:51When he created the angels, he created

28:53them in a state of innocence, in a state

28:55of perfection, and also what's called

28:57the state of grace. That there was in

28:59their uh their natures or substance

29:02a qualitative reflection of him, a

29:04participation in his divine nature is

29:06how St. Paul describes it. But he

29:09created them in that state of

29:10perfection. And then some of them

29:12through their free choice chose to

29:14reject that and that's when evil first

29:16entered.

29:18>> How many angels are there?

29:20Do we know?

29:21>> Well, uh

29:22we don't know the exact number,

29:23obviously, but we know they're in the in

29:25the order of billions.

29:27And the reason we know that is just

29:29because um

29:31it is what they call if the

29:33in theology, we have various degrees of

29:35certainty certainty about theological

29:38propositions. So, for example, that

29:40Christ is God, we know is part of divine

29:43revelation, so it's which is absolutely

29:45certain. But then there's some other

29:47things like um like this particular

29:49question of whether each person has

29:51their own guardian angel is called

29:53theologically certain. It's not divinely

29:55revealed, but there's in there's

29:56indicators in scripture for it. So, um

29:59and then also just to the church's

30:01tradition and experience of the church,

30:03we know that each person was created for

30:05their own guardian angel. So, if that's

30:07the case then that being the case,

30:10the number of human beings that's

30:11generally speculated to have lived is in

30:13the about 20 billion. So, we know

30:16just in and there's nine hierarchies,

30:19there's um sorry, nine um choirs of

30:22angels. Of the lowest rank is the angels

30:26and each one of us got a guardian angel.

30:29So, that means just in that lowest rank,

30:31just one subset is 20 billion.

30:35But there's more angels that also were

30:36given other jobs. And so, it's literally

30:39in the billions. As you go up the

30:40hierarchy, it becomes less and less

30:42number of angels in each one of the

30:44choirs.

30:45But we know that there are literally

30:46billions. The fascinating thing is

30:49um according to St. Thomas Aquinas but

30:52then also to which he bases it off um

30:55Pseudo-Dionysius' writings in the early

30:57church, very early church, within the

30:59first

31:00uh one or two centuries of the church,

31:02that that entire hierarchy of angels was

31:05created instantaneously, all at once.

31:07>> Instantaneously?

31:08>> Instantaneously, all at once.

31:10>> So

31:11>> So unlike human beings, which God, you

31:12know, creates our souls and we there's

31:14more of us that are created over the

31:15time, the whole nine choirs were all all

31:20of them created instantaneously at once.

31:22>> Were our souls all created at once?

31:24>> No. They're created at the time of your

31:26conception.

31:29So their souls created and infused

31:31at at you at the time of your

31:32conception.

31:35So human beings, there's an ongoing

31:37creation in relationship to their souls,

31:39but angels, the totality of them were

31:41created all at once.

31:42>> How long before humans were there

31:44angels? Do we know that?

31:45>> Uh the fathers of the church say that um

31:49when he created this totality of the

31:51angels, then he immediately after that

31:53began the creation of in the in the

31:56creation account in Genesis, he began

31:58the creation. So the first, you know,

32:01uh

32:01creates the light and things like that.

32:02So you have that first day is it's

32:04follows immediately upon that. And then

32:07human beings follow after that.

32:13>> Can we talk about the hierarchy?

32:14>> Sure.

32:17>> What is the hierarchy?

32:19>> So the angels were created in a

32:22hierarchic structure, and there's nine

32:25choirs broken into what they call ranks.

32:28So there's three ranks. So it's kind of

32:30like almost like a military in that

32:31sense.

32:32The very top rank is uh made of the the

32:36seraphim, which is the very top. And

32:39each angel is its own species. And as an

32:44exorcist dealing with fallen angels,

32:46their personalities are so distinct,

32:48much more distinct than human

32:49personalities. And so you do get a sense

32:52of that they're each specifically

32:53different. Um part of that has to do

32:56with that if with human beings and also

32:59with other animals, a species is

33:01different because of the fact that you

33:03you there's something about called the

33:05specific difference that makes the

33:06species different from another one.

33:08That's called the specific difference.

33:10With human beings, we don't have a

33:12difference you and I don't we're not

33:14specifically different. We're both and

33:16what in fact in human beings the

33:17specific difference is rationality. You

33:19and I are both rationals, we know we

33:20have we're of the same species. What

33:22makes us difference is what we call

33:24accidental qualities. So the fact that

33:26you're you know, a bit taller than I am,

33:28a bit build bigger build, etc. You have

33:30different facial structure, etc. Your

33:32race is a little bit different than

33:33mine, etc. So there's those different

33:35qualities make us different as human

33:38beings.

33:39Angels don't have that. They don't have

33:42So it's matter specifically bodies. It's

33:45It's the fact that I have this body and

33:47you have that body, which makes us

33:48different as human beings. Even though

33:52by different in the sense of you're one

33:54human being and I'm one human being, but

33:56we're both of the same species. Okay.

33:58Because angels don't have bodies, as a

34:01result of that their specific difference

34:03is in their nature, which we can talk

34:05about that cuz that itself is

34:06fascinating. In fact, we can get to that

34:08in relationship to their fall because

34:09that plays a key role in their fall

34:12of of some of them. But that basically

34:14means that every single angel is

34:16specifically different. They're They're

34:18as different as say uh uh a grasshopper

34:22is from a cow. That's how different they

34:23are. And their their difference so

34:26they're each is is different. So

34:28those differences are then grouped into

34:30nine separate kind of categories, and

34:33that's the choir.

34:34And the what makes one angel um

34:38different from another is how

34:39intelligent they are. So, the very top

34:42angel is far more intelligent, and so he

34:44can understand things much more

34:46universally, much more broadly, um and

34:49also to much greater depth than the than

34:51one that's all the way at the bottom.

34:52Even though the lowest angel is far more

34:54intelligent than us, nevertheless,

34:56there's this hierarchy, and it's based

34:58on intelligence.

35:00An important point of that also means

35:02that their will is proportionate to how

35:04intelligent they are. So, they have a

35:05stronger will based upon how intelligent

35:07they are. This is why in hell there's

35:09still a hierarchy based upon how strong

35:11of a will that they actually have. So,

35:13Satan has the strongest will because he

35:15was from the cherubim, which is the

35:16second. So, the top rank

35:18is the seraphim. And St. Thomas Aquinas

35:20says that their primary function and

35:22role was to simply love God. Their whole

35:26reason for being was to love him.

35:28>> What exactly do I do What does that look

35:30like? What What is that? If you If you

35:33were a seraphim, what what is

35:35>> It means

35:35>> What is your daily?

35:36>> Yeah, so your whole your holy cuz

35:39because he he creates each angel with

35:41its own natural law, its own natural set

35:43of inclinations. So, just as uh So, for

35:46example, when a human being gets

35:47married, we have a natural inclination

35:48around when they get married, there's a

35:49joy that they have in the marriage,

35:51right? From in being married, if it's a

35:53good marriage, of course. Um or we have

35:55a natural inclination to eat. So, when

35:56we eat, we we feel satisfied, etc. So,

35:58they get a fulfillment in just

36:00fulfilling the role uh or their tasks

36:03for which they were created, which is

36:04their their nature. So, for them, for

36:08the seraphim, it literally means just

36:10sitting around and contemplating God for

36:12all eternity, just contemplate and then

36:14loving him um

36:16at the various facets of his goodness.

36:19Because God is infinite,

36:21and uh even the angelic um

36:23and the angelic uh

36:26uh

36:26intellects are limited. It means that

36:29for all eternity they can be looking at

36:31a variety of different facets in God and

36:33deriving joy and love and loving God for

36:36seeing that goodness in him for all

36:38eternity and it's never exhausted. And

36:41that's what it is for us when we get to

36:42heaven once we get to see God

36:43face-to-face. For all eternity we'll be

36:46learning something new about him and the

36:47delight that we'll get out of that will

36:49bring. So for them when they see those

36:51good things in God, they're naturally

36:53inclined to love him from that

36:55perspective. Would a human being ever

36:56have interaction with a seraphim?

36:59Uh, yes, they can at times. Uh, not

37:02necessarily in this life. And St. Thomas

37:04says that their their interaction with

37:06us is, um, is fairly limited and has to

37:09do with the scope. So the top rank deals

37:12with God. So the seraphim, their job is

37:14to love God. The cherubim, their

37:17perfections that God gave them was to

37:19know God, to know the various aspects of

37:22God. That's why if you look at the

37:24patterns of the psychology of Satan, um,

37:27formerly Lucifer, uh, or Lucifer too,

37:30which we can talk about. His

37:31psychological patterns are that of a

37:33cherubim, which is what St. Thomas talks

37:35about. And the reason being is is

37:36because for him everything it revolves

37:38around knowledge of beauty ultimately,

37:40which is what he was created for. But

37:43then, uh, and seeing and contemplating

37:45that beauty in God. Um, and then the

37:48next one is the thrones. So the thrones,

37:50their job is to take that knowledge

37:52about God and what his will is and then

37:55propagate that knowledge down through

37:56the middle rank. And so the middle rank

38:00is actually, um, their job is

38:02administrative. So as an exorcist, even

38:05when you get demons that have fallen,

38:07they're from that middle rank, you

38:09rarely see them because their job, their

38:12that middle rank is, um, really about

38:15governance of the those below them and

38:18making sure everything is done right. So

38:20it's basically middle management type of

38:22thing. And God created um three

38:24different choirs for that. So, you have

38:26the thrones, principalities, powers, and

38:29dominations or to turn the middle. And

38:31then below that then is the lowest choir

38:35of rank and then and their jobs are the

38:37foot soldiers. So, the top the middle

38:39rank, the top rank contemplates God, the

38:42thrones tell them this is what God's

38:43will is. That governance process, the

38:46commands and stuff are propagated down

38:47to the middle ranks. And then you have

38:50the lowest rank that actually executes

38:52them. And so,

38:54uh those that lower ranks, which also

38:55includes um archangels and angels, that

38:58lower ranks, their job is to actually

38:59execute. So, that's

39:01those angels are the ones that we will

39:03actually have interaction with more than

39:05likely.

39:07>> God's special forces.

39:08>> Yes, exactly.

39:10>> Can angels [clears throat]

39:11advance in rank? No.

39:13>> Because what their their rank in the

39:16hierarchy is fixed.

39:19Um well, let me back up just a bit.

39:23How high you are in heaven in that

39:25hierarchy is directly proportionate to

39:27how holy you are.

39:30Human beings can actually take the place

39:32of fallen angels up through that rank by

39:34becoming holy, very holy, and then they

39:37can get a position that would be higher

39:39in the ranks in in relationship to that.

39:41So, for example,

39:43it is the uh tradition of the Catholic

39:45Church to believe that Our Lady

39:47underneath Christ that underneath

39:49Christ, the first one is Our Lady. Then

39:51underneath them are the apostles. And

39:53then also and then St. Joseph, St. um

39:56John the Baptist. There's going to be a

39:57debate of who's on the top of that. Then

39:59the apostles and then the seraphim. So,

40:01they're even above the apostles are even

40:02above the seraphim.

40:04>> Oh, wow.

40:04>> And then other and there's saints

40:07because become holy take the place of

40:09different locations. I've actually have

40:10a I have a case I'm working on right now

40:13that part of the reason this woman's

40:14case is dragging out is cuz she has to

40:16reach a level of holiness, which she's

40:17getting there. She has to reach a level

40:19of holiness to take the place of one of

40:21the possessors

40:22that had fallen. So, um we could human

40:25beings can actually take that. Okay, so

40:26what does that mean? Human beings,

40:28because in this life we can perform

40:30actions that merit and therefore

40:33increase and raise our place in heaven,

40:36we can actually get a higher place in

40:37heaven than some of the angels.

40:39But the angels, their holiness is

40:41directly proportionate to their nature.

40:43It's fixed. They can't merit anything.

40:46And so that's why they have one choice,

40:49and then if they make that choice, their

40:50break in heaven becomes fixed based upon

40:53that amount of holiness that they have.

40:55So a human can can become an angel or

40:58they can they can

40:59>> They don't become an angel to the top.

41:01>> Yeah, they'll become an angel. They they

41:03get into the ranks. They go up through

41:04the ranks or through the choirs in the

41:07sense of they become holier than an

41:09angel and therefore they get their

41:11amount of holiness that they have would

41:13exceed those angels that are below them

41:15and so they're above them in the command

41:18structure in heaven, the authority

41:19structure in heaven.

41:21>> I've heard and I might have this wrong.

41:23Is there is there

41:24will God pick 300 humans

41:27for the end times

41:29to bat to do his battle

41:31against the evil?

41:32>> Um I've heard that theory but I have not

41:34seen the evidence to back it up.

41:36>> Okay.

41:37>> So it could be we'll we'll we'll find

41:39out. There's certain things we know

41:40about the end like John the that

41:42Saint Elijah and Saint Enoch are going

41:44to return.

41:45>> That type of thing.

41:45>> So.

41:47>> Let's talk about the fall.

41:49>> Okay.

41:50>> What happened?

41:52>> So when the angels were created, there

41:55it's the whole hierarchy of angels is

41:57created at once.

41:59Now the way angels know things is the

42:02the exact opposite of the way we know

42:04things. The way we know something is we

42:06have to come in contact with a thing, we

42:08have to work with it a little while,

42:09then eventually kind of gain a more

42:10abstract knowledge of it, and eventually

42:12we can kind of have a universal

42:13knowledge of the thing. So, it takes us

42:15a while to actually get to the point

42:17where we fully understand something. And

42:19so, and we even see this even when we

42:21wake up. You know, we wake up, it takes

42:22us a while to get fully functioning. And

42:24even when we're going to make a choice,

42:25a lot of times we have to go through a

42:27series of steps to kind of consider

42:28various things before we make the

42:30choice. Okay, that's because our

42:32knowledge comes to the senses. We have

42:34to be in contact with something, and

42:35then from that we can actually know

42:36something about it. Um and draw And we

42:38can also infer knowledge based upon that

42:41um about other things that we don't

42:42necessarily see, etc. Okay.

42:45With angels, their their knowledge is

42:47infused. So, at the time by God, that's

42:49their mode of knowing, St. Thomas says.

42:51So, what at the first instance of their

42:53creation,

42:55God did two things. The first is he, in

42:58addition to creating them and creating

42:59them in this this state of grace and

43:01state of perfection,

43:03he also infused in them the knowledge of

43:05all of the essences of created things.

43:07And basically, what that means is they

43:09know exactly what a human being is, they

43:11know what dogs are, cats are. They know

43:12They know the natures of these things.

43:15Whereas human beings take a while to

43:16finally fully understand those things,

43:17they immediately exhaust everything

43:19there is to know about those just by

43:21thinking about them, to the degree of

43:23their intelligence.

43:24>> An infinite knowledge.

43:25>> It's not infinite, cuz it's still

43:27limited because they're limited. But,

43:29it's they instantaneously understand

43:31everything that could be known about

43:33that thing to the degree of their

43:34intelligence.

43:36Instantaneously, they don't have to

43:37think things through. Okay, so that's

43:39when it comes to the natures of things.

43:42But But, that's distinct. That kind of

43:45knowledge of things is distinct from

43:46knowing this thing is going to happen at

43:48this point in time. Those are called

43:50particulars. So, the ones are kind of

43:52called universal knowledge of things.

43:54The particulars are infused in them as

43:56they actually occur so by God. So, for

43:59example, the angels and the and the

44:01demons know what we are talking about as

44:03we talk about it, cuz it's infused in

44:05their minds. So, for example, if they

44:07want to know what's going on in another

44:09room, they just have to think about that

44:10room and then boom, they can see

44:12immediately what's actually there. Okay?

44:16When they were created,

44:18um they were created into an act of

44:21knowing because they instantaneously

44:23exhaust what there is to know. And in

44:24that that act of knowing,

44:27they learned a few things. One, who they

44:29are. They instantaneously saw their own

44:32nature and their specific difference.

44:34They actually understood by that fact

44:36that God had given them an assigned

44:37task. And that assigned task that he had

44:41given to them is who they are. Their

44:43It's their very nature of who they are.

44:47Then, um which we'll talk about what

44:48that means in the fall.

44:50Plus, they were given knowledge of all

44:52the other angels cuz it's all infused.

44:54They give the knowledge of all the other

44:55angels and their assigned tasks.

44:58They were also given knowledge that God

45:00was eventually going to become incarnate

45:02through Jesus Christ and that there were

45:04going to be certain

45:06Those who are created guardian angels

45:07were given knowledge of the the person

45:09that they were going to have to guard

45:11and to protect and certain aspects of

45:13that person's life

45:15because they would actually be told,

45:16"This is the person you're going to

45:18be protecting and this is his that that

45:21this is God's will for him in certain

45:22respects." They didn't know all of it,

45:23but they knew a lot of it. Okay?

45:26They understood So, they understood who

45:28they are, who the other angels are, what

45:30their assigned task was, what their

45:33these other particular things.

45:35And then they also knew who God was. And

45:38they also, St. Thomas says, were infused

45:40with faith, hope, and charity. So, they

45:41actually knew that that God, the second

45:44person of Trinity, was going to become

45:45incarnate. And we we actually know that

45:47from scripture

45:48that they were given that knowledge in

45:49the very beginning because when Christ

45:51first first shows up on the scene,

45:53they're like, "Is this the guy? Is this

45:55the guy? Is this guy?" And then once

45:56they see he's doing miracles and he's

45:58doing all this other stuff and the

45:59nature of his teaching, they realize,

46:01"This is the guy. He's the only only

46:03Christ could explain that who this guy,

46:06you know, cuz we were told that he was

46:07going to be coming incarnate, okay.

46:09So, they knew that Christ was going to

46:10be coming incarnate.

46:12And then um

46:14uh and they also knew that God was going

46:16to create human beings etc. So, but they

46:19they also knew God, they had a perfect

46:20knowledge of God, they had knowledge

46:22that he was triune because of their

46:24faith that God would showed them that he

46:26was triune, there's God the son, God the

46:28Holy Spirit, God the Father that he was

46:30triune. All of that they saw in an

46:33instant.

46:35>> Wow.

46:36>> So, they saw all of that and

46:38the resulting factor that that they saw

46:40that intellectually

46:42the natural response of the will St.

46:44Thomas says when they saw that was

46:46delight.

46:47The beauty of it, the magnificent, the

46:49grandeur of it was just so magnificent

46:52that they just they were taken by it in

46:54their first instance.

46:56And so, their first experience in their

46:59will wasn't their first choice cuz it

47:01was something which the will just

47:02naturally gravitated for towards cuz it

47:05was so beautiful.

47:06Um that was the that's in their first

47:08instance of their creation cuz remember

47:10they're in the A room which has a

47:11sequence of events. So, they have they

47:13have um that's the first instance.

47:17Because they saw that, they also were in

47:20that same thing they also saw if they

47:22were faithful, they would get to see God

47:24face-to-face and be happy for all

47:25eternity. But if they rejected God, they

47:27would be in they would be damned in hell

47:29and miserable for all eternity. So, they

47:30knew what the punishment was going to be

47:32like then. They have absolute clarity

47:34about that. There's not It's not like

47:35human beings where sometimes it's a

47:36little hazy for us. It was absolutely

47:39clear.

47:40The second instance is then in the

47:43second instance, St. Thomas says

47:46they looked at intellectually, they

47:48could see the temptations what all the

47:51other angels were going through.

47:54Every single intelligent being in order

47:55to be in the presence of God has to go

47:57through a test.

47:58And the test that the angels had is they

48:00had they were created with a set of

48:02perfections,

48:04but they could see higher perfections

48:06above them.

48:07And they could see that having those

48:10perfections would be actually a really

48:12good thing, but in order to have that

48:13perfection,

48:15they would have to reject their assigned

48:16task because it's not part of their

48:19nature, it's part of something else.

48:21And so when they saw that perfection, um

48:24that at that point they had to perform

48:27an act of sacrifice.

48:29They either had to sacrifice the desire

48:31for that perfection that they saw that

48:34they would like to have

48:35in order to remain faithful to the task

48:37that God had had told them that they had

48:40to do.

48:41And so but if they were faithful to that

48:43task, what they would get is the

48:45beatific vision, which is above any

48:47perfection that they could possibly

48:48have. And so that was their actual test.

48:51So that's what created jealousy.

48:54>> Uh

48:55>> In a sense, not in the sense that they

48:57had they didn't have those kinds of

48:59emotions that we have, but they saw that

49:01perfection and what would be like to

49:03have it would be a wonderful thing.

49:05But they had to be willing to sacrifice

49:07that lesser created good to ultimately

49:10end up seeing God face-to-face, which is

49:12the greatest of the highest good, the

49:14greater good. And we can kind of return

49:16to it because that's the same problem we

49:17have with human beings, the same thing

49:19we live out every single day. But that

49:21we have to sacrifice every single day in

49:23order to achieve the greater good. But

49:25they have that they saw that greater

49:26good. So that's what they saw

49:27intellectually. So they even saw Satan's

49:29temptation.

49:31And they knew or Lucifer's temptation

49:34and they knew that if they chose to

49:36reject their assigned task and have a

49:39and choose to just desire this thing,

49:40they were never going to get it, but

49:42just to desire it, um then they knew

49:45they would be under Satan. So they saw

49:47that whole complexity and then they made

49:49their choice.

49:51And so with them, they're very different

49:54from us than human beings are.

49:57The reason God has mercy on human beings

49:59is cuz we're stupid.

50:01No, it's true.

50:02We We as human beings, we make decisions

50:05and then, you know, afterwards we're

50:06like, "Oh, that was a

50:07mistake. I shouldn't have done that."

50:08And that's why God has mercy on us. So,

50:10if we're sorry for it, God will

50:12actually, um, you know, have mercy for

50:13us. But with the angels, they're not

50:15stupid. They know exactly what they're

50:18doing, and they know the full

50:20ramifications. So, So, when they make

50:22their choice, their choice is all in,

50:25and their will becomes completely fixed

50:27on that choice, whether it's good or

50:29bad.

50:30And this is why, even in session, demons

50:32will say, "Yeah, it was a bad choice,

50:34but I'd still do it again." Cuz their

50:36wills become fixed in that.

50:38So, they make their choice, and then the

50:40third instance, St. Thomas says, is

50:43because, unlike human beings, get me,

50:45um, we can make stupid choices, but then

50:47we can kind of start getting our act

50:49together later. God gives us time to

50:51work through that process, and then at a

50:53certain point, when we die, it becomes

50:54fixed, and then then he either condemns

50:56us or he brings us into heaven.

50:58Um, so for us, it takes us time to work

51:00out our salvation, as St. Paul says, you

51:02know, in fear and trembling work out

51:04your salvation. So, it takes us time.

51:06Whereas the angels, it's a one-shot

51:07deal. And so, once they make that

51:09choice, their will becomes completely

51:11fixed. And so, St. Thomas says, in the

51:12third instance, then God levies

51:16judgment. Just like all human beings

51:18have to go before Christ and the

51:20And, uh, he judges us. All of them were

51:22judged by the second person of the

51:24Trinity as to what their condemnation

51:26would actually be or their reward in

51:27heaven. And so, they're immediately

51:30damned or they're immediately, um, taken

51:32into heaven and see God immediately.

51:34>> How How How do we know this? I mean,

51:36some of this is not in the Bible,

51:38correct?

51:39>> Uh,

51:40>> Where does this come

51:40>> So, yeah, some of it parts of it are

51:42not, but parts of it actually have to do

51:45with two two forms of knowledge of the

51:47church has.

51:49The first is

51:51saints who have had mystical experiences

51:52and also just the general working out

51:55theologically of how these things

51:56actually work.

51:58The second component has to do with the

52:00collective experience of exorcists for

52:032,000 years. Because my experience as an

52:06exorcist is not any different from the

52:08exorcist in the first century AD.

52:10And so how demons talk and what their

52:13psychology is and what they end up

52:14revealing is consistent throughout those

52:162,000 years. So it's all of that kind of

52:19taken together. So it's theological

52:20reasoning.

52:21So if you read St. Thomas, it's all

52:23based on theological reasoning, but it's

52:24also based on a lot of scripture, but

52:27then also the mystical experiences, but

52:29then also just the church's collective

52:30experience in actually dealing with

52:33them.

52:34>> It's recorded information through time.

52:35>> Exactly.

52:40>> Let's go back into the fall.

52:41>> Okay.

52:42>> Did they all fall at one time?

52:44>> Yeah, it's all done at the instant they

52:45all

52:46fall in that second instance.

52:48>> What did that look like?

52:49>> Um

52:51>> Do we know?

52:52>> Uh well, scripture the description in

52:55the book of Revelation is, you know, I

52:57saw um

52:58um Satan fall like lightning. So

53:00[clears throat] it was just boom,

53:02everything had shifted and changed

53:04instantaneously in the in the

53:06in the experiences in the lives of the

53:08angels. So either the you know, the the

53:10angels that did the good they will they

53:12chose to do their assigned task. Their

53:15will became fixed in the good. And then

53:17of course they got to see God right

53:18away, but then the angels they fell and

53:21according to the fathers of the church

53:22and it's actually true. By the way, in

53:24session, I've told demons, you know, I

53:26command you to consider to weaken them.

53:28I command you to consider the the the

53:31your first instance of delight that you

53:33had.

53:34Because that when they first that joy

53:36that that that delight that they had

53:38crushes them now because it's so painful

53:41for them to consider how joyful it was

53:42in that moment.

53:43Um so you actually see these things kind

53:45of playing out and um

53:48but they also will some of them will

53:50actually under certain circumstances God

53:52will compel them to reveal

53:54what their their judgment that they were

53:56under went by God. And so you find out

53:59what those actual things actually are in

54:01relationship to it. So it's this massive

54:04shift and like lightning falling.

54:10>> Did angels from every rank structure

54:12fall?

54:13>> Uh

54:14>> [gasps]

54:15>> we know from the lowest eight ranks that

54:18there were ones that fell from those.

54:21There is some debate about whether one

54:23fell from the the seraphim or not.

54:26Thomas Aquinas says they didn't. Uh a

54:28majority of the theologians said they

54:30that from that top rank they didn't

54:32fall. It was just the ones from cherubim

54:34on down because there was nothing to

54:36look up to other than God, basically.

54:41And say for St. Thomas, it was um that

54:45they saw God and their in their first

54:47inclination was to love him that they

54:51couldn't it that it was because of the

54:53strength of their charity or love for

54:55God that they just did what he asked.

55:00>> Are there still angels falling today?

55:03>> Uh no. So that all the angels, since

55:05there's no more creation of any angels,

55:07and since they all went through that

55:08first three instances together, um none

55:11of them are falling now. So they don't

55:13It's not like you have an angel that

55:14ends up later falling.

55:16>> Do we have numbers on each side?

55:18>> Uh according to the interpretation of

55:21the fathers based upon what's in the

55:23Book of Revelation, um there's a

55:25reference where the dragon sweeps a

55:27third of the stars down by his tail.

55:30That has been interpreted universally by

55:33the patristics, that is the fathers of

55:35the church, and also the throughout time

55:37as referring to a third of the angels

55:39fell. Can angels or demons themselves?

55:41>> No.

55:42>> Demons, I mean.

55:43>> Yeah, demons.

55:44>> Once their will becomes fixed in evil,

55:46it's irreparable. It can never change.

55:48Do you think they regret it?

55:52You know, it reminds me of a politician,

55:55you'll remember who this is, when he

55:56said, "I did not have sex with that

55:59woman so-and-so."

56:01He regretted getting caught.

56:04He didn't regret the action.

56:06And it's the same thing with them.

56:09They have remorse in the sense of it

56:11bothers them and they hate themselves

56:13for it and they're sad about the fact

56:16that they committed the sin and that

56:18they um

56:20and that they uh you know, that they're

56:22going to be damned for all eternity and

56:23suffer for all eternity, but they would

56:25still do it again.

56:26In fact, I had a demon actually say

56:28that. So, I said, "Command him." cuz I

56:29was trying to weaken this guy. I said,

56:31"So, let me get this straight." By the

56:32way, when I put it colloquially, you

56:34know, in the interview, it's very

56:36structured. I'm saying, "I command you

56:38to tell me X, Y, and Z."

56:40But uh I just said, "So, let me get this

56:42straight. You were created to have the

56:44beatific vision?" Yes. "And you were

56:46created with this phenomenal perfections

56:48and the the ability to see this?" Yes.

56:50"And you saw that beauty in the first

56:52instance?" Yes. "And you knew that if

56:53you were faithful, you would enjoy these

56:55things?" Yes. "And you knew if you

56:56weren't faithful that you would suffer

56:58this and you and this Yeah, and you

57:00you're suffering this now?" Yes. "And

57:01you'd do it again?" Yes.

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58:39>> Did God know that was going to happen?

58:41Did God know the fall would happen?

58:43>> Yes.

58:44Because he's outside of time.

58:46>> Why did he allow the fall? Is the fall

58:49ultimately the test of the human being?

58:53>> Uh

58:53well, we we are all tested

58:55>> the ones that influence our mind,

58:56correct?

58:57>> It's Let me ask you this.

58:59Would you want to be around someone who

59:01you forced to love you?

59:03>> No.

59:04>> No. You want someone who wants to love

59:06you and chooses it on their own. It's

59:08the same with God.

59:09God created us with free will. And in

59:13order to have that free will, he allows

59:15us that certain percentage of people to

59:17fall uh both human beings and angels to

59:20fall and reject with him

59:23for the greater good, which is those who

59:25are faithful, who voluntarily chose to

59:28love him.

59:33>> How did they gain access to our mind?

59:36>> Um okay, so the basic way it works is

59:40their very nature is designed where

59:42their wills are structured in such a way

59:43that they can move matter by its na- by

59:46their nature.

59:47And so that means that they can move

59:48things within uh us um

59:51uh it because our part of our brain our

59:54intellect is is material. Not all of it,

59:56but part of it is actually material.

59:58Um the brain basically. And so they can

1:00:00actually act upon it.

1:00:05>> Let's go back to human sacrifice a

1:00:06little bit.

1:00:08I mean

1:00:10spent a couple days there. We talked

1:00:12about my past experiences.

1:00:14I've done some serious work here and

1:00:16I've realized that the battle is in is

1:00:18in your mind for your soul.

1:00:19>> That's right.

1:00:20>> And

1:00:22I mean Christ himself was human

1:00:24sacrifice.

1:00:25>> That's right.

1:00:26>> And so

1:00:28if the battle is within your mind and

1:00:30demons have access to your mind and

1:00:31angels have access to your mind and

1:00:33suicide is a human sacrifice, abortions

1:00:36a human sacrifice.

1:00:38>> Going to war is human sacrifice. All

1:00:41these I mean all these everything seems

1:00:44to come down to

1:00:46human sacrifice.

1:00:47>> That's right.

1:00:50>> Why is the human sacrifice so important?

1:00:53What do what what what does it

1:00:54represent? What what

1:00:56why is it happening?

1:00:58>> Thomas Aquinas makes an observation

1:01:00which is right along what you were

1:01:01saying. He said the ultimate thing that

1:01:04God wants from every intelligent

1:01:06creatures, this would include angels and

1:01:07and man. He said the ultimate thing he

1:01:09wants from every intelligent creature is

1:01:11the sacrifice of his will that is ours

1:01:15to his will, to God's will.

1:01:17And the reason being has to do with

1:01:19this.

1:01:20So I'll explain the theological

1:01:23structure of it and then I'm going to

1:01:24talk about a case I had that

1:01:27that that all revolved specifically

1:01:29around sacrifice.

1:01:31So,

1:01:33the

1:01:34in every sacrifice there's three

1:01:36components. We learned God taught us

1:01:38what sacrifice was in the Old Testament.

1:01:40So, in the with the Jews, he said this

1:01:42is exactly how you're supposed to do it.

1:01:45So, it in relationship to God sacrifice

1:01:48which we offered him has to follow a

1:01:49very distinct structure because if any

1:01:51one of these elements are missing, it's

1:01:53not a true sacrifice. And so, he said

1:01:55this is exactly how you're supposed to

1:01:57do it. Christ himself also said you when

1:02:00he uh did the the holy sacra- first

1:02:03mass, the holy sacrifice of the mass on

1:02:05on

1:02:06on good on Monday Thursday, he said do

1:02:09this in commemoration of me. So, he's

1:02:12being very specific about how they're

1:02:13supposed to do it, okay? And that's

1:02:15because if we don't, human beings are

1:02:17stupid, you know, and we're going to

1:02:18mess it up. So, the first component is

1:02:21of a sacrifice is offertory.

1:02:24>> [cough]

1:02:24>> Basically, what [clears throat] the

1:02:24offertory is is a setting apart of what

1:02:27I'm offering to God apart from me and

1:02:29apart from profane or sacred

1:02:32profane use. And that has two

1:02:34components. The first is there has to be

1:02:37some good that I have that I'm willing

1:02:39to be separated from. This was the line

1:02:42of demarcation between the sacrifice of

1:02:45Abel and the sacrifice of Cain.

1:02:47Cain Abel gave the best that he had. And

1:02:51so, he he retained nothing for himself

1:02:53in that process.

1:02:55Whereas Cain kept the best for himself

1:02:57and gave God a sacrifice of something

1:02:59that was good but not his best.

1:03:02And as a result of that, the second the

1:03:04second part of it is so you you have to

1:03:06be willing to be separated from the

1:03:08particular good. And you have to be

1:03:10willing to give it to God. In that very

1:03:12process,

1:03:14you are actually achieving the greater

1:03:16good. Okay, that's is a key element of

1:03:19sacrifice that in us being willing to be

1:03:21separated from the lesser good and

1:03:23giving it to God, a greater good is

1:03:25accomplished. And in just in that

1:03:28process itself, we become better as

1:03:31human beings just in the offering of the

1:03:33just in that offering of it to him.

1:03:35And so but if there has to be that

1:03:36perfect willing to detach from that

1:03:39lesser good in order to for the greater

1:03:42good. So, let me give you an example.

1:03:45The guy who goes off to war,

1:03:46the lesser good, ironically, is his own

1:03:49life.

1:03:50The greater he's willing to offer his

1:03:52life for what? For our good, the common

1:03:55good of the country. And in that

1:03:57process, the greater good that he

1:03:58achieves in that, the excellence that he

1:04:00achieves in that, is perfection in

1:04:03justice. And as a result of that, he

1:04:06gets honor. So, that honor is one of the

1:04:09greatest things that human beings can

1:04:11achieve. It's better to die in honor

1:04:13than to die in dishonor, for example.

1:04:16And so, he has to be willing to give up

1:04:17his own life for the sake of achieving

1:04:19the greater good. So, that

1:04:21offertory component is really key. So,

1:04:23you have to be willing up to give the

1:04:24lesser good in order to achieve the

1:04:26greater good. That's the first element.

1:04:29The second thing is there is the slaying

1:04:31of the victim. So, if you look at

1:04:33Christ, let's back up in Christ, his

1:04:35offertory was not my will but thine be

1:04:38done. So, he did it at the Mount of

1:04:39Olives. He was willing to offer up his

1:04:41own life for the sake of the greater

1:04:43good was our salvation.

1:04:45And so, he was willing to offer that up.

1:04:47And so, that's why he told God, "Not my

1:04:48will but thine be done." Okay, so that's

1:04:50the offertory.

1:04:52Then there's the slaying of the victim.

1:04:54So, in Christ's case, that's the the

1:04:55passion and death of our Lord.

1:04:57And then the last part of it is the

1:04:59consummation. You actually the the

1:05:02victim has to be completely consumed in

1:05:05the process. Because if it's not, then

1:05:07there's still something we're retaining

1:05:08for ourselves. So, the person has to be

1:05:10willing to completely die to themselves

1:05:12entirely. And how do we know that Christ

1:05:14did that? Well, he himself even said it

1:05:16right before he died. Consummatum

1:05:18est. It is It is consummated. What did

1:05:20that actually mean?

1:05:22It meant that

1:05:24and the saint

1:05:26Isaiah talks about this. Saint Paul also

1:05:28talks about it. That the Messiah had to

1:05:31go through a series of sufferings in

1:05:34order to merit for us the

1:05:38what was necessary for the perfection in

1:05:40all aspects of our lives. And so he was

1:05:44he was for example the reason he wore

1:05:45the crown of thorns is in order to undo

1:05:48Adam's sin in relationship to eating the

1:05:50fruit when he should not have and then

1:05:52God gave him the punishment of you have

1:05:53to work in thorns and in pain. So Christ

1:05:56Christ's suffering was to undo all of

1:05:59that. Okay. So the sacrifice then

1:06:02basically means that in the end the

1:06:05reason God wants sacrifice from all of

1:06:07us is because he wants for us to achieve

1:06:10the greater good and not be satisfied

1:06:13with the lesser good. He wants That's

1:06:15it's it's a call to the greater good.

1:06:17Okay.

1:06:19That being said

1:06:20So I I had this case

1:06:22where

1:06:23the

1:06:25we kept revolving around our lady under

1:06:27the title of mirror of justice.

1:06:30Now the reason that the mirror of

1:06:33justice the reason that was so key and

1:06:35the reason had a correlation to

1:06:37sacrifice is because of the fact that

1:06:41under the virtue of justice is the

1:06:43virtue of religion. So

1:06:44justice is where I render someone their

1:06:46due. So if you if I say hey go mow my

1:06:48lawn and I'll pay you 50 bucks if you

1:06:49mow the lawn. I in justice I have to

1:06:51give you 50 bucks. Okay.

1:06:53Underneath that is the virtue of

1:06:54religion where we render God his due.

1:06:56Okay, what did God do for us? He creates

1:06:58us he keeps us in being everything that

1:07:00we do can do all of that he caused. And

1:07:03so literally there is nothing in us to

1:07:06which we don't owe back to him. So,

1:07:08ultimately, we have to render ourselves

1:07:09in perfection before him. That's our

1:07:11goal. Okay. So,

1:07:14uh

1:07:15um okay. So, that being the case, then,

1:07:19in relationship to justice, underneath

1:07:21um justice is the virtue of religion,

1:07:22underneath the virtue of religion are

1:07:24four acts, but one of those acts is to

1:07:26offer sacrifice to God because that

1:07:28sacrifice is doing what? Giving the best

1:07:31that we have. So, as I mentioned, we

1:07:33have to render back to him everything,

1:07:35what is perfect. Well, what do we do in

1:07:38order to show that as a sign? We render

1:07:40back to him the best in us, the thing

1:07:42that we love the most. We have to give

1:07:44back to him. Okay. And so, that's what

1:07:46he's ultimately looking for. Now, by the

1:07:48way, it doesn't mean that in that

1:07:49process, when we give it to him, that he

1:07:51doesn't reward us or that he doesn't

1:07:53take care of the thing that we offer to

1:07:54him, etc. It just means that that's what

1:07:57he wants us to give it to him. Okay.

1:08:00In this case, so

1:08:03the anytime this demon would manifest

1:08:06when I was saying mass, cuz that we'd

1:08:07start the sessions with a mass. Anytime

1:08:10the demon would manifest, it's because

1:08:12God had told him he had to tell me

1:08:14something. So, during this mass,

1:08:16Beelzebub is the entire, which is

1:08:18another name for Satan. He manifests

1:08:20during mass. I finish mass and I okay.

1:08:23So, then we start the sessions. As soon

1:08:25as the as Beelzebub manifested, I said

1:08:27to him, "He told me he told you you had

1:08:29to tell me something, didn't he?"

1:08:32He was so angry

1:08:35that he could not even look at me. He

1:08:36was so angry.

1:08:38So, then I said to him, "Shut up. You

1:08:41are not permitted to talk." Now, there's

1:08:43a reason I did that. One is is because I

1:08:45don't want him telling me based upon

1:08:47when he thinks it's time. He has to

1:08:49realize I'm the guy in charge. But, then

1:08:50a lot of that is just to maintain the

1:08:51authority structure because they're

1:08:53constantly trying to get into the

1:08:54driver's seat. The second thing is is

1:08:57it's normal spiritual warfare. This is a

1:08:59stout adversary. And so, just as we

1:09:02would in normal warfare, you would just

1:09:04bomb them for a while first to soften up

1:09:06the situation, then you'd send in the

1:09:08ground troops. He's the same way. If you

1:09:10try and ask him the question right off

1:09:12the bat, he's going to hold tight and

1:09:13you're not going to get anywhere. So,

1:09:14you don't want to send the troops in

1:09:15first, you want to bomb him first. So,

1:09:17what I did is I

1:09:18basically punished him for 45 minutes.

1:09:21And at the end of that 45 minutes, I

1:09:22said to him,

1:09:24I said, "Do you have something you have

1:09:25to tell me?" And he said, he told me, "I

1:09:28have to tell you my nature."

1:09:31Now, what that means is his assigned We

1:09:33already knew what his assigned task was.

1:09:36It was to enlighten both Our Lady and

1:09:38our minds. Lucifer's original assigned

1:09:41task, the reason he was called Lucifer

1:09:43is because that mean comes from the

1:09:44Latin words lux ferre, which means to

1:09:46bear light.

1:09:48His job was to enlighten our minds, to

1:09:50to get us to see the necessity and the

1:09:54good in offering sacrifice. That was his

1:09:56original assigned task.

1:09:58And so,

1:09:59um when he told he said, he told me, "I

1:10:01have to tell you my nature." I said,

1:10:03"Let's hear it." Now, when they chose to

1:10:06to reject their assigned task, you have

1:10:08to remember, that's who they are.

1:10:10And that meant that in their choice, it

1:10:12was a perfect act of self-hatred.

1:10:15And they refused to do that function

1:10:18that God had told them to. So, what they

1:10:20chose then is the opposite of that

1:10:22assigned task. And so, what he does is

1:10:25to thwart sacrifice. But, this is where

1:10:27it becomes key.

1:10:28>> [snorts]

1:10:29>> He just looks at me deadpan, which is

1:10:31gives an indicator he's probably telling

1:10:32the truth. And then as we started

1:10:33unpacking it later theologically,

1:10:35realized this is probably true.

1:10:37Um because some people will say, "Well,

1:10:38demons lie all the time." But, not

1:10:40always. Sometimes they're compelled to

1:10:42tell the truth.

1:10:43And he said,

1:10:45"I convince people." So, this is part of

1:10:49the cherubim. He's part of the cherubim,

1:10:50which is an intellectual function.

1:10:53He says, "I convince people." So, in us,

1:10:55it's an intellectual conviction that he

1:10:58can puts in our minds. I convince people

1:11:01that they cannot be separated

1:11:04from the particular good.

1:11:07Okay.

1:11:08That's ex- And so, I I I stood back and

1:11:11I said, "That's a whopper." Cuz he knew

1:11:14I knew the structure of sacrifice.

1:11:16The remember, in offertory, you have to

1:11:18be willing to be separated from the

1:11:20particular good in order to give it to

1:11:21God.

1:11:22And that means when he convinces people

1:11:25can't be separated from this thing.

1:11:27That's how he subverts the remainder

1:11:28part of the sacrifice where we're

1:11:30willing to die to ourself all the way to

1:11:32the end.

1:11:33And so, he knew that's So, I realized

1:11:35that's how he ended sacrifice.

1:11:38And then he just looks at me and says,

1:11:39"It's how I took out of an evil."

1:11:41It's how I'm taking your church out.

1:11:43It's how I took your government out.

1:11:45He said, "It's at the root of every sin

1:11:47and every defect that every human being

1:11:49has."

1:11:50And later he said, "It's the cause of

1:11:51mediocrity in every single human being."

1:11:54Which is absolutely true.

1:11:56Because in virtue, when we're striving

1:11:59for virtue, which is the greater good to

1:12:01perfect ourselves in some particular

1:12:02aspect, which is the greater good,

1:12:04we have to be willing to be separated

1:12:06from certain things. Just just take

1:12:08temperance. If I want to gain

1:12:10temperance, to do to master the virtue

1:12:12of fasting, for example, I have to be

1:12:15willing to put up aside the lesser good

1:12:17of the pleasure I get out of food in

1:12:19order to achieve this greater good.

1:12:21Makes sense.

1:12:23>> When do they gain access to our minds?

1:12:26>> Uh we talk about the innocence of

1:12:29children and and and the pure love that

1:12:31they can give us.

1:12:33>> Yeah.

1:12:33>> And then

1:12:34at some point in time,

1:12:36everybody loses it.

1:12:37>> That's right.

1:12:39It's ultimately

1:12:41um

1:12:42when God allows it. So, in the spiritual

1:12:45warfare, there's kind of a

1:12:47misunderstanding. People have this idea

1:12:48that demons get you just to maraud and

1:12:50do whatever they want. When St.

1:12:52um Peter said, be

1:12:54be watch sober and watchful for the lion

1:12:58goes around seeking someone to devour.

1:13:00It doesn't mean he gets to hammer

1:13:02anybody he wants. It means he's

1:13:03constantly watching us. That's the going

1:13:05around. He's constantly watching to see

1:13:07where the weaknesses are and where he

1:13:09can take us out. And then he might test

1:13:11or probe. And if God lets him go in,

1:13:13then he goes in. But it's But it means

1:13:15that the spiritual warfare the entire

1:13:20battlefield is completely controlled by

1:13:22Christ. So even the demons can't do

1:13:25anything in relationship to us unless

1:13:26Christ gives them his permission. So

1:13:28Christ is the one who allows them access

1:13:31at certain points. And the reason he

1:13:32allows us access to us is to test us.

1:13:36Will you sacrifice for me?

1:13:37>> Is it through flaws in the world like

1:13:41pornography?

1:13:42>> Yeah, I mean kids are seeing pornography

1:13:43at eight. Age eight. Yeah, probably

1:13:46earlier.

1:13:47Yeah, that's it. And then he'll use

1:13:49those as means

1:13:49>> And that creates a

1:13:52a some type of a desire.

1:13:55>> That's right.

1:13:56A disordered desire for it.

1:13:58Yeah.

1:13:59Uh part of it also has to do with the

1:14:01fact that um

1:14:03demons can actually use that to inspire

1:14:05other people to expose other people or

1:14:07kids or something like that

1:14:08to to to to to to things that are evil.

1:14:10I've actually had a case where um the

1:14:13demons would drive people around this

1:14:14woman in order to victimize her. So they

1:14:17can actually That type of thing can

1:14:18happen. Um but it's not that common.

1:14:21Usually what they'll do is is they'll

1:14:22use other people to introduce bad things

1:14:25into the person's life. And then the

1:14:26person, because of fallen human nature,

1:14:29we have a proclivity towards like let's

1:14:31just take pornography. We have a

1:14:32proclivity towards what we call

1:14:34concupiscence, which is

1:14:36a desire for pleasure that's immoderate

1:14:38and disordered.

1:14:40And so um if we don't do things, and

1:14:42this is where parent parental formation

1:14:44in virtue um and getting them the

1:14:46sacraments and things like that aids the

1:14:48children in being faithful to that so

1:14:51that they can actually combat that

1:14:52particular aspect of our of our fall or

1:14:54original sin that we have kind of

1:14:56inherited as a result of that, um,

1:14:59then what the demons do is they can play

1:15:00on that disordered inclination that we

1:15:02have and then start just driving it.

1:15:05>> Do you think that successful exorcisms

1:15:08could be miracles? I mean, and the

1:15:12reason I ask is we we we talked about

1:15:14the last several weeks of my life and

1:15:16and some of the things that I've

1:15:17experienced here that I don't want to go

1:15:18into. Yeah, maybe maybe at another time,

1:15:20but you know, with with with with what I

1:15:23did experience

1:15:25and how real it was in the end,

1:15:29no matter how terrifying it was,

1:15:33it only strengthened

1:15:35>> Yes.

1:15:35>> my

1:15:36faith in Christ and God and the Holy

1:15:38Spirit immensely.

1:15:40>> Yeah.

1:15:40>> immensely.

1:15:42>> One of the things that you learn as an

1:15:44exorcist is what Christ said, you, you

1:15:46know, he said count he's going to say to

1:15:48the apostles, count yourself as useless

1:15:50instruments.

1:15:51When you're as an exorcist, you can pray

1:15:53and pray and pray until the cows come

1:15:54home, but if Christ doesn't do step in

1:15:56and actually cause liberation, nothing

1:15:58happens.

1:15:59Demons I have actually said to me, he

1:16:00says, you can't make me do anything,

1:16:02which is actually true. As a human

1:16:03being, I can't make any demon do

1:16:04anything.

1:16:05But then I have my retort to them is,

1:16:07but he can.

1:16:08And so he uses us as instruments

1:16:11to basically afflict the demon, to

1:16:13punish him to a certain point, and then

1:16:14it's at that point that Christ steps in

1:16:16and Christ causes the liberation. So one

1:16:18time I was asked in a public venue, it

1:16:20was, how many people have you liberated?

1:16:22And I said, none.

1:16:23But I've been in the presence

1:16:25of liberations where Christ and I've,

1:16:27you know, done my work as an exorcist,

1:16:29and then Christ is the one who

1:16:30liberates.

1:16:32And so, um, that liberation is both an

1:16:35act of mercy,

1:16:36but also one of the things that people

1:16:39very often don't quite understand about

1:16:41this thing, you know, possession is the

1:16:42worst thing. Actually, possession is not

1:16:44the worst thing.

1:16:45The worst thing is sin, mortal sin

1:16:48specifically, where you've committed

1:16:49such a grave sin that you're under the

1:16:50power of the demons from your from from

1:16:52[snorts] a legal point of view. Whereas,

1:16:54possession is not necessarily the worst

1:16:56thing. In fact, possession, especially

1:16:58when it when the if it kind of protracts

1:17:00for any length of time,

1:17:01it actually the people become holier

1:17:03through the battle, through the

1:17:04struggle. You know, it's like a guy who

1:17:06goes off to You know, there's a big

1:17:08difference between a soldier who's never

1:17:09seen combat and one who has. And so,

1:17:11this is the and the and the whereas the

1:17:13guy who's seen the combat, he's much

1:17:15more fashioned, much more honed than the

1:17:17guy that maybe went through a lot of

1:17:18good training and could be could be a

1:17:20good good soldier, but he just didn't

1:17:21have that opportunity. Well, it's the

1:17:23same thing here. When people go through

1:17:25just a brutal battle and that type of

1:17:27thing, the amount of sacrifice and

1:17:29self-denial and everything that they

1:17:30have to go through and the virtue that

1:17:33they have to achieve in order to conquer

1:17:34this thing is uh quite admirable.

1:17:40>> Do angels have access to our mind? They

1:17:43do. God permitting.

1:17:45What does that look like?

1:17:47>> So, the angels can do actually two

1:17:51things in relationship to us.

1:17:53The first is um they can put an image in

1:17:57our imagination and even put a

1:17:58perspective on that image, just as the

1:18:01demons can do the same thing. So, the

1:18:03demons can not only just put an image in

1:18:05your imagination cuz we get these get

1:18:06thoughts, where did this come from,

1:18:08right? But, they can even put a

1:18:09perspective on like this would be really

1:18:11good, right? And this is why sometimes

1:18:13people will come to me like normal men,

1:18:15normal heterosexual men, will come to me

1:18:18and they'll say, "I had this

1:18:20bizarre experience where I was in this

1:18:22situation and I had this thought of

1:18:24pedophilia." And I had this kind of

1:18:26inclination to do this. And I'll say,

1:18:27"That's not your That's not your That's

1:18:29not your junk." Right? That's not you.

1:18:31Demons can make anything look appealing.

1:18:35One exorcist contacted me recently cuz

1:18:37he had kind of gone through that type of

1:18:39thing. He was working with this one

1:18:40woman who by any stretch of the

1:18:42imagination was not good looking

1:18:43whatsoever.

1:18:44But when she walked in the door during

1:18:46one of the sessions, the demon skewed

1:18:48his perceptions and his

1:18:51relationship to it. And he said he

1:18:53looked at her and he

1:18:54felt this inclination that she's just

1:18:56beautiful.

1:18:57And then he realized intellectually he

1:18:59was like, "That ain't true." And so he

1:19:01just stopped, did some prayers, broke

1:19:02it, and then when he looked at her

1:19:04again, he says, "Ugly as sin." Right?

1:19:06So, the point being is is they can get

1:19:08that perception

1:19:10perspective. The angels can also do the

1:19:12same thing because perceptions

1:19:16uh are either in congruity with reality

1:19:19or they're not. For example, let's just

1:19:21take transgenderism.

1:19:23People's perceptions about who they are

1:19:25may or may not be if you're, you know,

1:19:27if you're normal heterosexual male, I

1:19:28say, "Hey, I'm a male and this is the my

1:19:30Well, then my perceptions are in

1:19:31congruity with reality." But if I'm some

1:19:33dude who thinks he's a woman, your

1:19:35perceptions are in congruity with

1:19:36reality. And so demons are constantly

1:19:38trying to put perspectives on it that

1:19:40either exaggerate or skew or falsify

1:19:43your perception of reality, whereas the

1:19:45good angels can actually do the

1:19:47opposite. They can put perspectives on

1:19:49the imagination and then in and so that

1:19:52you get greater perception of this is

1:19:54the truth of the matter. This is the

1:19:55reality of it.

1:19:57So, one of the ways that you'll notice

1:19:58that is you'll get a bit of clarity in a

1:20:00situation. All of a sudden you'll see a

1:20:01perspective and you're like, "Okay,

1:20:02that's the that's how this is actually

1:20:05done."

1:20:06The one thing that angels can do which

1:20:08demons never do

1:20:10is the angels can vent. So, there's

1:20:12three parts of our intellect. We're not

1:20:13going to go into all three, but there's

1:20:14two parts that I want to talk about. The

1:20:15first is the brain. That's the image

1:20:17part.

1:20:18And they can put a perspective, they can

1:20:19affect that. But then there's a part of

1:20:21our intellect that's entirely

1:20:23immaterial. And the reason we know that,

1:20:25for example, is when we die,

1:20:28then people in heaven, And know, you

1:20:30hear about these with people who

1:20:31actually die and they they actually go

1:20:33through a judgment and they might see

1:20:34Christ and that type of thing. Their

1:20:36intellect is functioning independently

1:20:38of their body. So, we know there's a

1:20:40part of the intellect that's in part of

1:20:41that. There's also certain operations

1:20:43that we perform like the ability to

1:20:45self-reflect upon ourselves.

1:20:47That we know that there's a part of our

1:20:48intellect that's in purely immaterial

1:20:50that can function independently of

1:20:52matter. This is why animals, even apes,

1:20:54don't have that same kind of

1:20:56self-reflection. Even when they see

1:20:57themselves in the mirror, it's kind of a

1:20:59fascination to them because but that's

1:21:01all at the level of the material.

1:21:03But we're human beings, we have this.

1:21:04But but the angels can actually that

1:21:07immaterial part of us is has the ability

1:21:09to make judgments about things that

1:21:11something's right or true or that type

1:21:13of thing.

1:21:14How do we know that?

1:21:16We can have I'll give you an example.

1:21:19A guy, his wife, when he first gets

1:21:21married, his perspective on her is she's

1:21:24wonderful, she's lovely, I love her,

1:21:26she's just such a great wife, she's

1:21:27beautiful, etc. And his intellectual

1:21:30judgment is the same as that.

1:21:33But then, what can happen is is that

1:21:35over the course of the marriage bad

1:21:37things happen and so his perspective on

1:21:39her begins to change and then also does

1:21:41his judgment changes.

1:21:43But he can make a choice to change his

1:21:45judgment about that. Like if he starts

1:21:47thinking his wife is really bad and

1:21:49nasty,

1:21:50she may or may not be. He can start

1:21:52making a choice if you know what, I'm

1:21:53going to start I'm not going to judge

1:21:55her that she's that bad. I think she's

1:21:56ultimately a woman of goodwill. It's

1:21:58just that I'm suffering in relationship

1:22:00to it. That means I got to shore up

1:22:01stuff on my part so I can make a

1:22:02judgment or I can make a choice to start

1:22:05looking at her, judging her differently.

1:22:08So,

1:22:09that's one of the things. Okay, why is

1:22:10that important?

1:22:12Because angels can strengthen, it's

1:22:15called illumination, they can illuminate

1:22:17the mind, that immaterial part, so that

1:22:20when we make that act of judgment, we

1:22:22see it with much greater clarity and

1:22:24strength and depth. And so they can

1:22:26enlighten our minds and so you can ask

1:22:28them, you know, give me good images, and

1:22:30then help me to see, help me to

1:22:32enlighten my mind in relationship to

1:22:33that.

1:22:35The fathers of the church actually say

1:22:37it was the angels who taught the Greeks

1:22:39philosophy, people like Aristotle and

1:22:41Plato, and that's why there's such a

1:22:42radical shift in their philosophy from

1:22:44the materialists to Plato and then to

1:22:46Aristotle.

1:22:49>> What rank structure of the angels

1:22:53is putting images and and clarity into

1:22:55our mind?

1:22:56>> Uh primarily those of the rank of angel,

1:22:59the various lowest.

1:23:00>> The guardian angel?

1:23:01>> The guardian angels.

1:23:02>> Archangels?

1:23:04>> Uh the archangels can at time. Uh they

1:23:06can also do it as well. It depends. Uh

1:23:09there are certain people,

1:23:11according to the fathers of the church,

1:23:12that their stature in life is so

1:23:14important that God intends for their

1:23:16particular life that he actually not

1:23:18only that he actually will assign um

1:23:20angels that are higher in the hierarchy

1:23:22uh cuz what rank or what how high in the

1:23:26hierarchy of angels your angel is is

1:23:27depend is directly proportional how

1:23:28important you're supposed to be in human

1:23:30history, they say.

1:23:32And so but there are certain people um

1:23:35that God will actually assign um a an

1:23:37archangel to to guard them at least

1:23:40while they're fulfilling that role. So

1:23:41like people in positions of political

1:23:43power are generally considered that.

1:23:45Priests, bishops, that's everything are

1:23:46given an uh guardian angel uh an

1:23:49archangel in order for relationship to

1:23:51that.

1:23:51If they put if they if there's a

1:23:53particular function that they're going

1:23:54to play in relationship to us as human

1:23:56beings that's extremely important, they

1:23:57come from the rank of archangel. So

1:23:59Gabriel, Michael, um Raphael were

1:24:02considered part of the archangel.

1:24:07>> Let's take a quick break.

1:24:11I'm excited to introduce to you the

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1:24:18past Christmas, and pretty quickly my

1:24:20focus became making sure he was safe

1:24:23while still giving him the freedom to

1:24:24actually be a dog. I went looking for

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1:26:27>> All right, Father Rupnik, we got a we

1:26:28got a hot question for you.

1:26:30>> Okay.

1:26:31>> So,

1:26:33I want to understand

1:26:35why is Christianity the only religion in

1:26:38the world

1:26:40that is acceptable to disparage?

1:26:44>> [snorts]

1:26:44>> Well,

1:26:45Satan is the prince of this world, and

1:26:47it's pretty clear, at least at least it

1:26:49seems to me, but it's pretty clear, I

1:26:50think, to a lot of people that um Satan

1:26:53and the demons are gaining much greater

1:26:55ascendancy over the world, and as they

1:26:57influence the world more and more,

1:26:59they will use people, and they will

1:27:02um use the things of this world in order

1:27:04to go after the one religion that they

1:27:07know is true.

1:27:09I often tell people that um you know, in

1:27:12heaven,

1:27:13the the demons actually, because the

1:27:16fact that Christ was going to be coming

1:27:18incarnate, and they actually watched

1:27:20Christ preach revelation. They know it

1:27:23perfectly. And so, as a result of that,

1:27:25and they know that he that he was the

1:27:26Messiah that was about to come, that he

1:27:28was going to be the one that was

1:27:29incarnate. So, they know, not from faith

1:27:31anymore, cuz they lost their faith, but

1:27:32they know just by deductive reason that

1:27:35this is the true religion.

1:27:38All other religions do have human beings

1:27:41who started them. Whereas Christ, who's

1:27:44God, is the only one who started this

1:27:45religion, and they saw it. And so, they

1:27:47know the rest of the other religions

1:27:48don't uh don't wash. And so,

1:27:52you can, you know, they'll be as they

1:27:54gain as the demons gain greater and

1:27:56greater control of the world, and as

1:27:57evil becomes more and more in place,

1:27:59there's two di- two uh factors that come

1:28:03into play. The first is the demons move

1:28:05people to punish the Christians, which

1:28:07we saw in administrations even in this

1:28:09country, where they were going after the

1:28:11Christians. And then you'd look at these

1:28:12people and you can tell these people

1:28:13were not living good lives that were

1:28:14persecuting the Christians. So, the

1:28:16demons will inspire the people to go

1:28:18after the Christians. We also see this

1:28:20in relationship to

1:28:22uh you know, certain religions that are

1:28:24attacking the Christians in different

1:28:25countries and that type of thing. So,

1:28:26you see that.

1:28:28The other part of the dynamic has to do

1:28:30with

1:28:31the fact that St. Thomas talks about it

1:28:34in in a question in the Summa, but

1:28:36there's a structure to how human beings

1:28:38go from

1:28:39pursuing and seeing the good to actually

1:28:41pursuing things that are evil. And it it

1:28:44basically go it's a process in which we

1:28:47have natural inclinations to things that

1:28:48are good. And so, for example, he says

1:28:50he gives the example, a guy recognizes

1:28:52that fornication is immoral, right? So,

1:28:54he recognizes that. But then Bessie Sue

1:28:56walks in and she's just gorgeous. And

1:28:59so, he ends up falling with Bessie Sue

1:29:00and he St. Thomas says he thinks that

1:29:02it's, you know, he kind of gives in like

1:29:04it's okay in this one instance.

1:29:06And then

1:29:07but that he keeps hanging around Bessie

1:29:09Sue, so he keeps falling with her and

1:29:10eventually he starts thinking that well,

1:29:12fornication isn't wrong.

1:29:14You know? And then as he keeps

1:29:16fornicating, then what he actually

1:29:18thinks is that well, no, fornication's

1:29:19actually a good thing.

1:29:21And then what happens next?

1:29:23Well, people who tell me fornication's a

1:29:25bad, they're evil people because I know

1:29:27fornication's good. That is the exact

1:29:29progression we actually saw in this

1:29:30country.

1:29:31The greatest generation knew that

1:29:33fornication was immoral, but they

1:29:34started fornicating behind the scenes

1:29:36and that's where fornication really

1:29:37started. And how do we know? Because

1:29:39when the hippie generation started the

1:29:40fornication openly, they didn't stop

1:29:42them because hey, well, can't tell me

1:29:44did that because we did it, right?

1:29:47So, it goes from no, they can't do it,

1:29:49but they fell from time to time to okay,

1:29:50now they were openly doing it. Then by

1:29:52the time you get to the '80s and '90s,

1:29:54you should live with your girlfriend

1:29:55before you get married. And which is a

1:29:57good thing, right? Cuz you should

1:29:58fornicate find out if it's going to

1:29:59work. And then what's the last thing?

1:30:01Now you have people who when you say,

1:30:02"Hey, you need to be chased. Guys need

1:30:04to stop doing this." They said, "They

1:30:06get attacked."

1:30:08And so, in addition to the demons

1:30:10driving this, now you have people whose

1:30:12lives are so disordered that what they

1:30:15see as good is bad, and what is actually

1:30:17they see as bad is actually good. And

1:30:19so, they see, and this is why we

1:30:21actually see Christ mentioned as He

1:30:24says, "There will come a time when they

1:30:25will actually believe that by

1:30:28eradicating the people who follow him,

1:30:30eradicating they're actually doing the

1:30:32will of God."

1:30:34>> I mean, it's it's it's it's it's

1:30:36interesting, you know, I mean, I think

1:30:38all religions have been persecuted at

1:30:40one point or another through time.

1:30:42>> Yeah.

1:30:42>> If you if you if you talk bad about

1:30:45Islam, you're a bigot.

1:30:47>> Right.

1:30:48>> I mean,

1:30:49that's the same with multiple religions.

1:30:51If you talk about Judaism, you'll be

1:30:52ostracized from

1:30:54it

1:30:55everything.

1:30:56>> That's right.

1:30:56>> it it is the it is it is the ultimate

1:30:59no-no. Correct.

1:31:01And I don't I I don't understand I mean,

1:31:05why are Christians

1:31:09accepting this?

1:31:12You know, in all the other religions you

1:31:14know, you you see you see this righteous

1:31:16anger.

1:31:17>> That's right.

1:31:18>> You know, if if if if their religion or

1:31:21their people are disparaged.

1:31:23>> Right.

1:31:23>> With Christianity,

1:31:25and I'm guilty of it, too. We we we we

1:31:28let it

1:31:29we let it slide.

1:31:31Why is that?

1:31:32>> I think we let it slide because we're

1:31:34conditioned. Yes, I think that's it.

1:31:37We're conditioned to actually believe

1:31:39that when Christ said, "Turn the other

1:31:40cheek," that we just let people get away

1:31:42with whatever they want.

1:31:44And that's not actually the case.

1:31:46You Basically, when he said return the

1:31:48other cheek, um or you know, you have to

1:31:50forgive even those who do the bad things

1:31:51and give you Yeah, you have to forgive

1:31:53them.