Europe's Best Intentions Have Backfired Dangerously | Eva Vlaardingerbroek

0:00Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Rubin and

0:01Miss Eva Fladingabrooke.

0:04>> [applause]

0:21>> Um

0:22So, Eva, you've achieved a distinction

0:24that even the IRGC hasn't yet managed in

0:26Britain. You've been prescribed.

0:28You may no longer enter the United

0:30Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern

0:32Ireland. Why?

0:34Yeah, that's correct. Well, the official

0:36reason that I've been given is that I'm,

0:39quote, not conducive to the public good.

0:42>> [laughter]

0:43>> Unquote.

0:45Uh that is also the only reason that

0:47I've been given. Cuz for those of you

0:49who don't know, I received an email a

0:53couple of Now Now two months ago or so,

0:55out of the blue, from the United Kingdom

0:58government saying that I was no longer

1:00welcome in the UK and that they had

1:02revoked my ETA. So, obviously now as

1:04Europeans, we need an ETA, similar to an

1:06ESTA, you know, for the US, to go to the

1:09UK. And I had gone to the UK in

1:11September to attend the Unite the

1:14Kingdom rally where I spoke

1:16predominantly about remigration.

1:19And now we we all know the stories of

1:21people getting arrested in the UK. Thank

1:24God that didn't happen to me. Um but

1:26obviously what they could do, and they

1:28did it now, is revoke my um travel

1:31authorization.

1:33And uh this happened 3 days after I

1:36criticized Keir Starmer on X.

1:40And that ironically, I criticized him

1:42about the attacks on freedom of speech

1:45in the UK. Um and specifically

1:48criticized him for allowing the ongoing

1:50rape of British girls um and not doing

1:53anything about these these migrant rape

1:56gangs.

1:57And so

1:583 days later, I received that email. And

2:00it was just a couple of lines saying,

2:02not conducive to the public good, bye.

2:04You don't have the right to appeal. And

2:06that was it.

2:08We mentioned uh while discussing things

2:10before the uh uh the outset of this

2:12event, Dave, that you too fear that you

2:15could be arrested should you go to

2:16Britain. Um why do you think that would

2:19be?

2:20Well, I must say I'm wondering what I'm

2:22doing wrong that I haven't been banned

2:24yet. Um

2:25every time I go, I mean, I'm not

2:27kidding. It It sort of sounds funny, I

2:29suppose, but every time I go when I hand

2:30my

2:32I think, boy, is is this the last time

2:34I'm going to go there? And actually, the

2:35last time that I saw Eva was at Jordan

2:38Peterson's art conference in February of

2:392025. And I had dinner with about 10 of

2:43the panelists, many of whom you know are

2:45are well-known American Some American

2:47and some British speakers whose names

2:50not be mentioned at the moment, but we

2:51sat at a dinner

2:53all talking about the fact that for the

2:56first time in our lives, we were

2:57somewhere where there was some concern

3:00about what we might tweet. Uh you know,

3:02I wanted to tweet about what I saw on

3:05the streets. This was, you know, a year

3:07after October 7th or so. And you know,

3:09there were I called them Hamas rallies.

3:11They were all over Britain. I did not

3:13feel safe on the street. I had armed

3:15security with me the entire time. Uh and

3:18I wanted to tweet about that. And I

3:19thought, I also want to get out of this

3:22country without an international

3:23incident. And I wasn't the only person

3:25uh that felt that. And these are highly

3:28influential people who are accustomed

3:30them to saying whatever they want and

3:31taking the the slings and arrows for it.

3:34So, uh I suspect Well, look, first off,

3:38with all of the problems that the UK

3:40has, if this is your number one problem,

3:43um then, you know, their their math

3:46equation is is slightly off. I That's

3:49number one. Um but also

3:52uh

3:53silencing people from being able to say

3:56things, in most cases, which are true or

3:59vitally important to say,

4:02is the point of what J.D. Vance said

4:05when he gave that important speech. You

4:07will ultimately upend everything else.

4:10And that really is what could take down

4:12Europe. I don't think it's going to be a

4:13military takedown. It could just be a

4:15slow rotting from the inside. So, it's

4:18it That's one of the reasons why uh this

4:20is my third year here in Hungary. And I

4:22love everyone here at the Danube

4:23Institute. And I'm and CPAC. Yeah.

4:27>> [applause]

4:29>> And and I genuinely mean that. I I

4:30travel all over the world. I go to all

4:32different countries and cities where you

4:34can just see that so many things are

4:36wrong across the West. You all know

4:37that. And it's not here. And uh you

4:40know, I know there's an election in a

4:41few weeks. And you know, hopefully it

4:43will it will go okay. But you know, one

4:45of the functions of success uh is that

4:48you you don't realize how good you have

4:49it. And um

4:51we'll we'll see what the future is here.

4:53But but we must just keep saying what we

4:55think. Otherwise Otherwise the rest is

4:57is gone already.

4:59Would you extend that right to say the

5:03unsayable and to uh protest your belief

5:06in public too? For instance, what we saw

5:08the other day in Trafalgar Square where

5:10you had thousands of Muslims engaged in

5:12an act of public prayer, which by its

5:13very nature is one calling for the

5:16downfall of Christianity.

5:18All right. So, well, there's a couple of

5:19things here. You know, there's a there's

5:21a fundamental difference between saying

5:24what you want to say as a

5:27private person and constantly as a group

5:30of people taking over the public uh

5:34the public utilities. And taking, you

5:36know, we see this now in Times Square in

5:38New York City praying in the middle of

5:40the street. You know, at some point, if

5:43you do not There's a difference between

5:45saying something. You want to pray,

5:46that's fine. You want to have your

5:47mosque, that's fine. You want to wander

5:48down the street and mutter whatever you

5:50want, that's fine, too. There's

5:52something else that is being weaponized

5:54against us in the West, which is that

5:56they are now coming to take over all of

5:58our public spaces. And we're going to

6:01have to grapple with that because I

6:03Look, I'm an American and I have the the

6:05most liberal, in the right sense of the

6:07word liberal, uh

6:09uh interpretation of free speech. People

6:11should be allowed to pray. They should

6:12be allowed to say whatever they want.

6:14There's very slim exceptions to direct

6:16calls for violence. And then from an

6:17American perspective, libel and slander,

6:19which are laws that are almost never

6:20used, which I think is good. Um but

6:24especially in the last 2 years, as we've

6:26seen mass movements of people who just

6:28take over Fifth Avenue or take over

6:30Trafalgar Square or take over every

6:33public park, at some point, that is

6:36stopping other people from their right

6:38to assembly. It's a stopping other

6:40people from their right to speak

6:42themselves. Um and and we're going to

6:45have to grapple with that. That in some

6:47sense is more of a right to assembly

6:48issue than a than a right to free speech

6:50issue. Eva, Istvan mentioned Isabel

6:54Vaughan Spruce, who was arrested many

6:55times for her silent prayer in Britain.

6:58It does seem to me uh I mean, you and I

7:00are both Catholics, so perhaps we have a

7:02particularly partial view on this. But

7:03it does seem that there is an intense

7:05hypocrisy in my home country about which

7:07religions are allowed to demonstrate

7:09themselves in public and which are not.

7:11How would you respond to that and to

7:12Dave's points about assembly? Well, I

7:15think the the issue that we see in

7:17general in Europe is that the concept of

7:19human rights is one that only seems to

7:22apply to foreigners and not to the

7:26native population and not to the

7:28original culture or the original

7:30tradition that is the foundation of

7:31Europe, which is Christianity. So, every

7:34single time We all know this, right?

7:35Every single time we talk about human

7:37rights treaties, they are used against

7:39us. And it's never discussed, okay, but

7:42what are the rights of the native

7:43people? What, you know, how should we

7:44protect those? In fact,

7:46there are these types of of treaties and

7:49these laws are used against us to limit

7:52our freedom of speech, which happens all

7:53of the time. So, I wouldn't argue for

7:56stricter uh laws to restrain the freedom

8:00of speech of groups that might be

8:02against us, because those laws are just

8:03going to be used against not against

8:05them, but against us, obviously. So, I

8:07don't want to give our establishment any

8:09more tools in that sense. I think that

8:11the answer to the problems that we're

8:12facing now um and to the abuse that

8:15we're seeing of these treaties is

8:17remigration. So, we need to make sure

8:20that our culture becomes that our

8:22nations become culturally uh homogeneous

8:24again. Otherwise, you cannot have that

8:26type of social contract contract. It

8:29doesn't work. Um so, you know, for that,

8:32we will probably have to leave a lot of

8:34these human rights treaties as well. Um

8:36I I really don't see how we can operate

8:39within a system that is so corrupted,

8:41that is being abused and used against us

8:44so deeply anymore.

8:46If I could add to that for a moment,

8:48this is why it's interesting the to

8:50whittle down the difference between free

8:51speech and right to assembly. So, one of

8:53the problems we're having in New York

8:54City right now, for example, is they

8:56have all of these pro-Palestinian Again,

8:59I call them pro-Hamas protesters, who

9:01are specifically going to synagogues and

9:03protesting outside synagogues. Now, I

9:06will defend their right to free speech

9:08as protesters. Now, do they do they use

9:11that in in the most uh specific way

9:15against against us? The answer is yes,

9:17because there are often actual calls to

9:19violence and genocide and things of that

9:20nature. Now, I don't want the police

9:22coming in and grabbing these people uh

9:24for several reasons. I think it

9:25amplifies it. There's There's all sorts

9:27of reasons you don't. However, if we

9:28consistently let these people Okay, you

9:31are allowed to at any time when you

9:33want, you are allowed to have hundreds

9:35of people outside a synagogue

9:37protesting, outside a church protesting,

9:39et cetera, et cetera. Ultimately, the

9:41societal contract that Eva's talking

9:43about will start crumbling. People will

9:45not be able to go to places of worship.

9:47Eventually, they'll hunt you down at

9:49your business, which we've seen a lot of

9:50these types of things as well. And

9:51that's been happening across Europe. So,

9:53that's what we're going to grapple with.

9:54We have a We have a set of people that

9:57have a certain set of ideas that are

9:59completely counter to everything the

10:01West is about. We brought them in or I

10:04would say I'm an American, so in Europe

10:06I would say you guys brought them in. We

10:08have a We have a We have a version of it

10:10in America.

10:11But you guys brought them in and now

10:13will you do the things that are probably

10:16necessary to save your country. That

10:18That's the ultimate question.

10:20It does strike me that there's an

10:21inherent difference though here between

10:24Britain and America in that America is

10:25founded on the idea of E pluribus unum,

10:27that from the many you gain one, one

10:30people, one culture, one language. Uh

10:33specifically non-religious. Uh so how it

10:36Do you think it would be possible to

10:37implement? We're seeing a little of this

10:39with ICE, but how do you think it would

10:40be possible to implement the policies

10:42that are necessary to reverse the

10:44takeover of the public square by these

10:46hostile elements and yet retain uh a

10:48fidelity to the spirit of America?

10:50>> Well, on the re-immigration issue, I

10:52mean we have a huge problem in America

10:54that Europe has, which is that in the

10:55Biden administration alone in those four

10:57years

10:58it's unclear how many people came in,

11:00but most estimates say 15 to 20 million

11:03people. Now that's on top of we probably

11:05had about 12 million illegals before

11:07that and there are the dreamers, you

11:08know, there are people who were born

11:09here. So we don't know what the numbers

11:11are, but let's say 20 million people.

11:12We're a country of 350 million people.

11:15Um does anyone here know how many people

11:16Donald Trump has deported through ICE?

11:19Does anyone know the number by chance?

11:213 million?

11:223 million? I wish it was 3 million.

11:24Anyone want to take another guess? You

11:26know it's the cell deportation. What's

11:28that? Two. Two million? No, I wish it

11:30was two. How many cells?

11:32Yeah, it's about 800,000.

11:34It's about 800,000 people in the years

11:37since ICE has been on the street. So if

11:39you take roughly 20 million people and

11:42if only 10 million of them are truly

11:44nefarious, put aside that they broke the

11:46law by coming in. But if 10% of them

11:50have anti-Western views or doing truly

11:53illegal things beyond just coming into

11:54the country. Uh well, you can do the

11:56numbers on that. That's 2 million people

11:58and if 2 million and if 10% of those 2

12:01million are the worst thing that you can

12:04imagine, we can do the numbers on that.

12:06And will we have the strength and the

12:09fortitude

12:10to get rid of these people? The answer

12:13probably is no. I mean no one really

12:15wants to think about that, but would we

12:17really do it? I mean look at the

12:18pushback that Donald Trump got just by

12:21going into one city in Minnesota where

12:23it was pretty clear that these people

12:25should not be here. Eva.

12:28We can't allow ourselves to think that

12:29way.

12:31I I mean if we do it, then it's over,

12:33especially here in Europe because our

12:34situation is I would argue worse.

12:36It's worse.

12:38Uh I I I can see the faces now in the

12:40audience when you guys heard the

12:41800,000. We were like, "Oh, we wish."

12:44Like [laughter] no, you know? I mean

12:47here, I mean we have millions coming in

12:49every year uh still. So, you know, I'm

12:52talking and I'm arguing for a

12:54re-migration, but we haven't even closed

12:55the borders yet. So that is like, you

12:58know, we're count your blessings, Dave,

13:00but I understand what you mean though.

13:02We need We need harsher action and I've

13:05also seen of course the pushback in

13:06Minnesota. Um

13:08but we we here in Europe, we have really

13:11no time to lose. Like we are as as you

13:14said, obviously the history of our

13:17continent is different. Um our ethnic

13:19makeup is historically different. You

13:22know, this country was not a

13:23predominantly white continent. It wasn't

13:25essentially an entirely white continent

13:27and that has changed over the time span

13:29of what, two generations. And now we're

13:31coming close to the point where we are

13:33becoming a minority in our own

13:35homelands. And that was not something

13:38that we could even discuss as much as

13:39five years ago, but we can now and that

13:43is something that I do take, let's say

13:46some some I I get I I gain some hope

13:48from that fact, not because of the

13:51political action, because there is only

13:53political inaction and uh unwillingness

13:55to do anything about this in most

13:57Western European countries.

13:59But there is something

14:01I think tangible changing with the

14:03European population. And that brings me

14:06back to what you said earlier, Dave. You

14:08said, "You let them in." But we have to

14:11remember that the European people

14:14consistently

14:16say that they are against mass

14:17migration. Like the most recent numbers

14:19that came out were, you know, if you see

14:21the different European countries

14:23it's between what, 60 and 80% of almost

14:26every single Northwestern European

14:27country that says, "I'm not in favor of

14:29mass migration." And you know, this is

14:31not a democratically made decision. This

14:34wasn't We weren't asked. You know, in

14:362015 when Merkel decided to open the

14:39borders to more than 2 million

14:40immigrants, we were not asked. There was

14:43emotional warfare being waged against

14:45the European population with sad imagery

14:48and of course calling us a racist,

14:50fascist, Nazi every single time that we

14:52said, "Hmm, maybe this is not a great

14:54idea." And you know, as much as yes

14:58it's gone downhill from there, it's also

15:01gone uphill in the sense that now at

15:03least there is a discussion possible

15:04about it. And I think that a lot of

15:05people have stopped caring about being

15:08called a racist for wanting their own

15:11homelands to remain their homelands. And

15:13that's where I see the true

15:15possibilities and that's why the

15:16censorship is so important and of course

15:20why it centers, I think, around two

15:22subjects most harshly, let's say,

15:25immigration. Right? There's almost no

15:28right-wing activist left in Europe that

15:30is not facing legal charges because of

15:33their anti-immigration or

15:35pro-re-migration stance. Um I have just

15:37personally been banned, as you know,

15:39from the United Kingdom mostly for that,

15:41of course. Um

15:43social media censorship I've personally

15:45experienced myself. My phone is under

15:48mercenary spyware attack. I mean, what

15:51do we you know, what's next? All of

15:53these things are happening and it

15:54centers especially on those two subjects

15:56because on immigration and abortion.

15:59Because I think the agenda is native

16:02European population has to be replaced

16:04and they can't have children. So what

16:07are you going to do? You're going to

16:08promote abortion. You're going to make

16:10it incredibly difficult for Europeans to

16:12have children. That's of course

16:13happening as a result also of mass

16:15migration. Uh the unsa- the insecurity,

16:18uh the the economic pressure

16:21uh and also the demoralization of our

16:23population. And and and in in sheer

16:26numbers. And so that's I think exactly

16:28why the censorship centers around those

16:31two subjects the most. And what can we

16:34do about that?

16:35Well, we have to of course continue to

16:37speak out as much as we can still. We

16:40have a platform where we can do it on X.

16:42Uh and they can't put us all in jail.

16:45So that's why pushing the Overton window

16:47is so important.

16:51>> [applause]

16:54>> Dave,

16:55Eva makes a compelling case to what has

16:57been called the great replacement

16:58theory.

17:00And um it is a compelling case. You

17:02argue it with passion and

17:04uh with great logic. Do you agree though

17:07that it is a reality or is it merely

17:09merely a case of correlation leading

17:11some to believe in causation?

17:13>> Right. Well, first off, I do want to

17:14fully clarify that when I say you,

17:17Europe, I mean the leaders of Europe and

17:19that not the people because you are

17:21completely right about that. This was

17:23done with very little oversight. And And

17:26again, that's also what we saw in

17:27America. The average American during the

17:29four years of Biden allowing these

17:31people in and these insane videos that

17:33we saw of people just flooding our

17:35country. There is one I will answer your

17:36question, but very quickly. There was

17:37one video

17:41that I think really changed the course

17:43of American politics and probably the

17:45entire world, which is that when Bobby

17:47Kennedy, who was running as a Democrat,

17:50he had never really said anything about

17:53uh the border or immigration. That

17:54obviously wasn't his thing. Health was

17:56his main issue. He went to the border

17:58and I'm sure some of you saw this video.

18:00He stood there and he just started

18:02asking people where they were coming

18:04from and it was Pakistan and India and

18:06Africa and Chad and all these and it and

18:08you could see his mind being blown right

18:11at that very moment. So nobody asked for

18:13any of this. Whether it was planned and

18:15is there an actual replacement theory?

18:18You know, I would say my my favorite

18:21quote from the great Carl Sagan is

18:22extraordinary claims require

18:24extraordinary evidence. So I don't know

18:26that it was fully planned. Are there

18:28plans in Brussels to ultimately replace

18:30all these people and they just see no

18:32utility for the native populations and

18:34they don't want borders or sovereign

18:36nation states? That kind of does sound

18:38right to me. So I would say it probably

18:41was at least directionally planned and I

18:45think they unfortunately saw Europeans

18:47fold very quickly. You know, on my show

18:50almost every day we discuss some of this

18:52from a European perspective because I

18:54want Americans to see what is coming.

18:57You know, I I don't want the strife that

19:00you guys have. We have versions of it.

19:01We've had four Islamic terrorist attacks

19:03in the United States in the last month

19:05in New York City in

19:07in Austin, Texas. We had two others. And

19:09what's interesting is these things

19:11happen and then they're gone. They're

19:13out of the news within 24 hours. So will

19:16we just start having the situation that

19:19much of Europe has, which is, "Oh yeah,

19:20there was an explosion over there and

19:23and the you know, people don't go in the

19:24trains over here anymore and everything

19:25else." So I use Europe as a warning and

19:28I and I'm I would say as an American,

19:31um

19:31there's a way to take the things that

19:35you guys have been talking about and

19:36dealing with and and kind of show we

19:39this isn't what we want America to turn

19:41into. We also have other

19:42uh defenses because we have states'

19:44rights and uh we we are a much better,

19:47more armed uh civilization. We have more

19:49guns than people, quite literally. So

19:51there's other protections, thankfully.

19:53Um

19:54there's other protections that we have

19:56uh that the Europeans don't have. But,

19:58yeah, I I don't know if it's exactly

20:00planned down to the minute with you

20:02know, crossed uh crossed tees and all

20:04that, but it feels that way.

20:06I think one of the things we'd all agree

20:08on is that this is essentially an elite

20:10set of beliefs, an elite project.

20:12You, Dave, a man formerly of shall we

20:15say the progressive left, if not a

20:16leftist, the old saw goes that a

20:19conservative is merely been mugged by

20:21reality. How much mugging by reality do

20:24the elites of Europe and of the wider

20:27West require

20:28>> Yeah.

20:29Well, people used to mean it

20:31figuratively, now they literally mean

20:32it. There are people in New York who get

20:34mugged and they register Republican the

20:36next day. Um

20:39I don't know. I don't know. You know, in

20:41the in the Western world, we we are so

20:43advanced, we are so free, we are so

20:45distracted by our phones and the all of

20:48the beauties of modern life and video

20:51games or whatever it is that we do that

20:54we we slowly let go of everything,

20:56right? You know, uh

20:58good men create hard times and it seems

21:01to I'm sorry, uh hard times create good

21:04men, good men create soft times, you got

21:07it. And and that seems to me where we're

21:09at right now. We may not have enough

21:11people, but I will give you a a white

21:13pill version of this would be how does

21:16it all turn around? Well, America is

21:17clearly exerting itself on the world

21:19stage again. And if, and this is a big

21:22if, but if the midterms go well for the

21:25Republicans, which you know, by

21:26conventional wisdom, the incumbent

21:28president's party loses 70% of the time.

21:30Obviously, we have a war right now.

21:31There's plenty of reasons to argue that

21:33maybe it will not go well. We have huge

21:34problems with the election integrity,

21:36etc. But, if it goes well, Donald Trump

21:40will be completely unchained in a way

21:42that we've never seen. If you Yeah, if

21:44you think

21:46if you think you've seen this man

21:47unchain unchained, like wait till you

21:50see what Donald Trump, knowing that he's

21:52never running again, knowing he doesn't

21:53have to worry about midterms, and he

21:56might actually do some of the things

21:58that need to be done from an American

22:00perspective in terms of getting more

22:01people out. He's hampered right now.

22:03It's true.

22:05>> [applause]

22:07>> It's true. If you saw what happened in

22:08Minnesota, you know, they went in, they

22:11sent all these ICE agents there. They

22:13were getting rid of all sorts of people.

22:14Then, there were two incidences uh where

22:17American citizens were killed. One was

22:19in a car and she hit She quite literally

22:21hit an ICE agent. The other guy had a

22:23gun and was wrestling with ICE agents.

22:25But, Trump is sensitive to media still.

22:27So, when it started getting a little

22:29hot, he did pull back a bit. But, Trump,

22:32if he has the House and the Senate and

22:35never has to run again, I think there's

22:37a chance he really goes all in on this,

22:39particularly if the Iran war ends well,

22:42which my suspicion is it will.

22:44Um and then and then hopefully that's

22:46the signal for Europe to do what it

22:48needs to do.

22:50I'm glad you mentioned the Iran war,

22:51because that allows me to jump to

22:52Ukraine.

22:53Um

22:54We We cannot, I think, moan about the

22:57decline of Western civilization and our

22:59need to protect it whilst

23:01simultaneously, as some on the right do,

23:03saying that Ukraine should be left to

23:05the wolves. Now, I know that Dave,

23:07you've had a variety of opinions on this

23:08subject and on your program I've hosted

23:11many people with the breadth of opinion.

23:13Eva, I think you have a rather more

23:14rigid view of the situation. Um Given

23:16your beliefs, and perhaps Eva, you'll

23:18start and then Dave would follow, how do

23:20you justify your various positions on

23:22this matter?

23:23Well, I would I would immediately

23:26disagree with the idea that

23:28first of all, they're not being left to

23:29the wolves at all. It's like the

23:32the opposite is exactly what is

23:33happening now. And there's only one

23:36country, in fact, that is keeping some

23:38sort of level head headedness when it

23:39comes to this and we're in it right now.

23:41That's Hungary. And they've had

23:45>> [applause]

23:49>> Prime Minister Orbán, I think, has had

23:50the only sensible and the only morally

23:53correct position on this and that is

23:54that he's pro-peace and he doesn't want

23:57to further this and doesn't want to send

24:00neither billions of of euros over the

24:03border, which is happening, as we know,

24:05200 200 billion euros have already been

24:08sent to Ukraine. Now, there's the 90

24:11billion question. Uh he's the only one

24:14saying no to that. And what happened?

24:16Zelenskyy said essentially that he

24:19wanted to send his soldiers over to to

24:21Viktor Orbán's house. I mean, you know,

24:23we're dealing with extreme political

24:24blackmail here from a bunch of people

24:27that I would say are the wolves. That's

24:30the European Union.

24:32So, yes, I I have a a bit more of a

24:35rigid position on that, I suppose, it's

24:37because I see that

24:39really quite literally the opposite is

24:40happening of what you are saying. And

24:42it's not to say that I am therefore

24:44pro-Russia or anti-Ukraine,

24:48but there's never been even the latest

24:50normal debate possible on this without

24:53being called, you know, a a Putin

24:55puppet. If you say, "Oh, I really don't

24:58think that the EU should be so deeply

25:00involved in this." Or, "Oh, why are they

25:02arguing so staunchly for membership of

25:05Ukraine to the European Union?" Because

25:07that was clearly the goal from the very

25:09beginning. And look what is happening

25:11now. You know, Ursula von der Leyen is

25:12the president of the European

25:14Commission. Her banner on X is a

25:16Ukrainian flag. Ukraine is not a member

25:18state of the European Union yet. I mean,

25:21that's ridiculous, no? That shows her

25:23That shows us where her alliances lie

25:25and they're not with the European people

25:28and the member states that are actually

25:29a part of this union. So, you That's

25:32where I see the biggest problem in this

25:34is that the people who are most in favor

25:37of sending

25:38money that they don't have, because who

25:40is paying for those loans? We and our

25:43children to the end of their days,

25:45to send that money out to a foreign

25:47nation that doesn't serve necessarily

25:50our interests and they are not in favor

25:52of normal peace negotiations. They're

25:54trying to block all of that. What do

25:55they want? Do they want this to go on

25:57forever? You know, I am I'm someone who

25:59likes to see things realistically.

26:01Um and I think that they have not done

26:03that with regards to this conflict.

26:06I also, maybe this, you know, I will go

26:08back for a second to the question of

26:10immigration because it ties into it.

26:12When we are talking about things like

26:13intent, for example. Like I'm someone

26:16who likes to look at the situation maybe

26:20some might say, you know, too too

26:22simply. But,

26:24if you don't know exactly why someone is

26:26doing something, and this is a quote

26:28that I always like to say, look at the

26:30consequences and infer the motive.

26:32That's the same That's the thing that I

26:33do when it comes to mass immigration.

26:35You know, they've been seeing the

26:36consequences, for example, the terror

26:39attacks in Europe that happened almost

26:41on a daily basis and we've gotten

26:42totally numb to that as well back in

26:442014.

26:45But, you know, if we think about it, I

26:47don't think you have forgotten that. Uh

26:50we we know the safe the the the the the

26:53concerns of safety that we have.

26:55Budapest is the only city in Europe that

26:57I visit and I come to every year and

26:59say, "Hmm, this seems to get better by

27:01the year."

27:02Every other city just deteriorates.

27:05That's our status quo.

27:07You know, if they knew this, they saw

27:09it, like I said, are they doing anything

27:11to to reverse it? No, borders are still

27:13open.

27:14So, you know, that's why I can't look

27:17away from that without concluding that

27:20there is true true intent.

27:22Because otherwise, you would do

27:23something about it, no? At a certain

27:25point, you would say, "Okay, enough boys

27:27and girls have been killed and raped."

27:29It's It's It's enough now.

27:30They're not doing it.

27:35>> [applause]

27:38>> Well, I'll say two things quickly about

27:40about Ukraine. One, from an American

27:42perspective, it really is off the media

27:44map right now. And it's been that way

27:46for quite some time, almost with the

27:49exception of the the White House visit

27:52where Trump and uh J.D. Vance

27:54smack-downed Zelenskyy, it's pretty much

27:56been off the map. I mean, nobody's

27:58really talking about it, mainstream or

28:00online media.

28:02My position on Ukraine has been

28:04basically the same if you go back from

28:05the day it all started. It's exactly

28:07what I've said, which is that you have

28:09to show me. How could Ukraine win the

28:12war? What would be enough that we could

28:14give them? Okay, so tell me the amount

28:15of tanks, tell me the amount of weapons,

28:18tell me the amount of rockets and

28:20soldiers and all and the amount of

28:21money. Tell me what that is and explain

28:23to me how that will have them win the

28:25war. And no one has been able to explain

28:27that. So, I think it's basically I mean,

28:30I actually agree with probably

28:31everything that Eva said right there.

28:33We've now created this sort of endless

28:35boondoggle and I don't see, unless I'm

28:38missing something, I don't see a great

28:39desire for Ukraine to negotiate at this

28:43point. And that in no way is a defense

28:45of Putin. It's no way a defense of

28:47invading another nation's sovereign

28:48borders.

28:49Um

28:50but again, from an American perspective,

28:52it it

28:53it's like ninth out of the top 10 things

28:55that people are talking about right now.

28:57And what position in the public mind

28:59would you say that the conflict in Iran

29:00holds?

29:02Well, right now, it's probably number

29:03one. If you would have asked me for the

29:04first year of the Trump presidency, it

29:06was all border and deportations, 100%.

29:09Now, I would say the Iran thing looms

29:12large over everything. You know, we're

29:13in day 21 or 22 of it right now and and

29:16that's that's leading everybody's, you

29:18know, coverage of everything. Now,

29:20talking of how a conflict ends, I

29:22believe that America has now sent 5,000

29:24missiles into Iran at a cost of 16

29:26billion dollars and the stockpiles are

29:28simply running out. How does President

29:30Trump conclude this this uh this war

29:32without ignominy? Well, it's been

29:34interesting because

29:37from a a military perspective, it's gone

29:39unbelievably well. I mean, in 20 days,

29:41Trump promised to get out of forever

29:42wars. And obviously, you guys know

29:45there's a contingent of people on the

29:46right, largely led by Tucker Carlson who

29:48are radically anti-war and anti that are

29:51isolationist and isolationism is a

29:53completely

29:54perfectly legitimate political position

29:56to hold. I think there's some other

29:58things going on with Tucker but that's a

30:00that's a different topic altogether.

30:03Which we probably don't have time for

30:04and I'd need a drink for.

30:07However,

30:10I would say militarily look we took out

30:12their navy. We took out their air force.

30:14There's complete air domination. Their

30:16ballistic missile program is completely

30:18gone. They cannot produce a ballistic

30:19missile anymore. The nuke program is

30:22gone. So militarily this thing has gone

30:25extremely well and 20 days certainly is

30:27not a forever war. Donald Trump never

30:29said he he didn't want any war to do

30:32anything. He said he was against forever

30:34wars and my general sense is and and

30:37this has been made very clear by Trump

30:39and particularly Marco Rubio and Pete

30:42Hegseth from the Department of War as we

30:44now call it that we are going to

30:47decapitate this regime. We are going to

30:49stop their proxies all over the Middle

30:51East and Europe from spreading terror

30:53which is gone as far as Latin America. I

30:55think that that is working. We're seeing

30:58new alliances in the Middle East.

30:59Suddenly all the Gulf countries are

31:02going boy it's Iran shooting rockets at

31:04us and it's Israel actually defending

31:06us. So I think there is going to be a

31:08figurative rewriting of the map and all

31:10sorts of peace deals after. And of

31:12course the the million dollar question

31:13on all of this is what can the Iranian

31:15people do after?

31:17I don't know the answer to that but I

31:19suspect that clearly Trump and Netanyahu

31:22and others they this this has been

31:24planned for quite some time. You you

31:26aren't able to do something so

31:28overwhelmingly miraculous

31:30militarily so quickly and efficiently

31:33without a secondary plan. So I don't

31:35know if that's bringing back Pavlovi

31:36back. I don't know I don't know what

31:37that rebuilding of the institution of

31:39the country looks like but it seems to

31:41me there has to be a plan for it. And

31:43again that's still to the backdrop of

31:44the midterm elections which Trump knows

31:46he needs he needs a win before that. And

31:49and that could be his

31:52Even the European countries have for the

31:53most part been if not just reticent

31:56outright hostile to joining in the

31:58American Israeli war against Iran which

32:00I agree entirely with Dave is the

32:02progenitor of most Islamic terrorism in

32:04the world.

32:05Given your views on

32:07Islam it's inherent character do you not

32:09think that we should have gone full

32:11square behind America behind Israel and

32:13try to wipe out this evil regime

32:16forever.

32:17Well I think what we see in Europe is

32:19that same as in America it's something

32:21that's splitting the right, right? I

32:23mean it's less of an a subject here.

32:25It's not our number one priority I would

32:27say if I talk to people

32:29in our sphere not even dominating the

32:32media as much as it is in America

32:33obviously cuz we're not so deeply

32:36involved.

32:37I once again I think our leadership has

32:41extremely but always you know this is no

32:43exception this time always has bad

32:46judgment. So I really wouldn't even want

32:50to waste too many words talking about

32:52that so much. I think what is really

32:55important though is that we on the right

32:56try to stay united on the subject

32:58especially if what this means for

33:00Europe. I see a lot of people for

33:01example argue oh but this is going to

33:03cause new waves of mass migration to the

33:07to Europe to the continent because we've

33:09seen that in the past and that is of

33:10course true. We have seen how

33:12destabilization of the Middle East has

33:15caused mass immigration. But then we

33:17come back and this is what I really

33:19would like Europeans to you know to

33:21remember is that falls or stands not

33:24with what happens in the Middle East but

33:25it falls or stands with what happens

33:27with our leadership. So you know no

33:30matter how bad the turmoil is in other

33:34parts of the world if we would have

33:36people in power who would stand for our

33:39people our continent and our religion

33:43then that wouldn't really matter so

33:45much. You know just keep the border

33:46shut. That's the answer and that is not

33:50happening and I think that we as

33:52Europeans should keep that in the

33:53forefront of our mind at all costs. And

33:56then we can have debates and we can have

33:58discussions and we can disagree all we

34:01want on how we think that other parts of

34:03the world should be run and whether

34:04America should get involved or not but

34:07for our nations the most important thing

34:09is that we make sure that our leadership

34:10is in order and it's not. So you know

34:12again maybe it's boring cuz I'm getting

34:13back to the same thing over and over

34:15again but we seem to get distracted so

34:17easily when our problems here at home

34:19are really really large. If I could add

34:21it quickly not only do I agree with that

34:23I think Donald Trump agrees with that. I

34:24don't think Donald Trump cares what the

34:26Europeans think largely. I think he

34:29cares what Orban thinks actually but I

34:31know it is a good thing. I think Donald

34:33Trump clearly not I think I know Donald

34:36Trump would way more respect European

34:39leaders who were standing up for their

34:41country even if he didn't agree with the

34:42exact policy. If he saw people if he saw

34:45Keir Starmer or any European leader that

34:48was genuinely standing up for their

34:50country

34:51if he had a policy disagreement Trump

34:53loves that and that would be fine. But

34:55what he sees are a bunch of weak

34:57feckless people that will not stand up

34:59for their own countrymen and who who

35:02actually are afraid of the people

35:04they've imported. I don't know if you

35:06saw I just saw it this morning so it

35:08probably happened in the last few hours

35:09but even in Australia where I was just a

35:11few months ago and I was I was shocked

35:14by the immigration system there and they

35:16don't have illegal they don't have an

35:17illegal problem they have a legal

35:18problem obviously because of their

35:20geography but the Prime Minister

35:23Albanese went to a mosque. I mean this

35:24is a guy who has placated and pandered

35:27to the leftists his entire career and he

35:30basically got booed out of the mosque

35:32because he hasn't offered enough to

35:34these people. So what's happening is the

35:35left the left always eats its own and

35:38they think I think Starmer and Albanese

35:40and several of these Macron

35:43they think oh if they play nice with the

35:44Islamists I think they basically think

35:47they'll get beheaded last and they're

35:48realizing it's the window the window is

35:51not so long open anymore.

35:54Well I think in the case of Keir Starmer

35:56everything comes down to the fact that

35:58he's an international human rights

35:59lawyer and therefore there is no such

36:01thing as national sovereignty there's no

36:02such thing as belonging there is no such

36:04thing as our people or their people or

36:06our religion or their culture. It is

36:08entirely explicable by this as with most

36:10of his cabinet. Um

36:12The the third topic we are to discuss is

36:14the left and I want to begin this by

36:16asking is there such a thing any longer

36:18as the good left? Um I think we can all

36:21point to figures in all of our country's

36:22histories who we would say we disagreed

36:24with politically but were undoubtedly

36:26patriots of good faith and good

36:27character who wanted their nations to

36:29succeed. Is that still the case would

36:31you say?

36:34You know what the thing is is I really

36:36haven't given the concept of the left

36:38sounds weird but that much thought

36:40lately

36:42because I feel like they're becoming

36:43more and more relevant especially here

36:45in Europe in the sense that

36:47you know the

36:49the really idiotic leftist ideas that

36:52we've seen

36:53emerge especially 10 years ago you know

36:55wokeism etc. I feel like that's really

36:58on the way out even with the left kind

37:02of you know of course it's still very

37:03present in in the institutions and in

37:05the at the universities which is

37:07important to fight but if I see the

37:10younger generations like Gen Z is not

37:12buying the idea that there are 73

37:14genders. Like you know you're not you

37:16they're not really thinking about that

37:18that much at least here in Europe. The

37:20question is more identitarian. Feel like

37:22that is the thing that is on our minds

37:25and that's something that we see a big

37:26split sadly in between especially

37:29females and males. So young boys are

37:33very right wing becoming increasingly

37:36right wing the younger they go and the

37:38girls not so much.

37:41But so yeah the left I mean the the

37:43European Union to me is a bigger problem

37:47even than our national leftist parties

37:50because no matter you know what our

37:52coalitions end up becoming. Now in the

37:54Netherlands we have a new leftist

37:55government which is horrible and you

37:57know I I can't stand them and I can't

38:00stand what they're what they're voting

38:01for but even if we don't have a leftist

38:04government as we didn't have the last

38:06two years or so we still have that

38:09monstrous institution the European Union

38:11that is making laws that have precedence

38:13over our national laws. So that's where

38:16I really see the biggest issue because

38:18our democracy does not function. It

38:21really doesn't exist this way and the

38:24fact that Trump is making fun of the the

38:27Eurocrats you know

38:29I think that's glorious.

38:31We need that so desperately and it's

38:34such a positive development that this

38:37administration is very vocal about the

38:40injustices that is that are happening in

38:42Europe that Rubio is talking about it.

38:45Vance is talking about it. Trump is

38:46talking about it. He said it now just

38:48this week for the I think the third time

38:50like oh Europe is really not going on

38:52the right path. Soon there will be no

38:53Europe if you go on this way. You know

38:55how of such crucial important that is

38:58important that is for us Europeans

39:00because we have this institution that we

39:03have no democratic means to fight

39:05really. You know you can't vote people

39:08out that you never voted in in the first

39:10place and that's that's the case with

39:12Ursula von der Leyen. So

39:14this type of political pressure like we

39:17really need that to come from the United

39:19States because they are as we've seen

39:22with this censorship and with all of the

39:24other madness coming from the European

39:26Union you're they're just doubling down.

39:28So I really see America in that sense as

39:32our only hope because it's the only

39:35political counterweight

39:37to the European Union that's actually

39:39going to make them you know in Dutch we

39:41would say sing a little less loudly, you

39:44know? You know what I mean?

39:46So, I I see that as a great great great

39:49development and I can I only hope that

39:51they're going to do more of that because

39:52they those people really need to be put

39:54in their place a bit.

39:56So, there's a couple things here when it

39:58comes to is there anything left on the

40:00left? Well, first of all, I was glad to

40:03hear Ishaan even use the word liberal in

40:06the proper sense of classical

40:08liberalism. You know, my first book was

40:11was the best-selling book about

40:12classical liberalism, I think in the

40:13last like 40 years in America and I'm

40:15not saying that to pat myself on the

40:16back as much as the word liberal has

40:19been so

40:20dragged through the mud that I don't

40:23even even though I do believe in

40:25classical liberal values, which was what

40:27the whole book was about. Those are the

40:28things that I think lead to flourishing

40:30societies rooted in the individual, it's

40:32impossible really outside of very

40:34specific places, probably like this

40:36room, for me to say I'm a liberal

40:38without people thinking I'm insane. So,

40:40so that's

40:42I'm always glad when I'm in a space

40:44where there are people that still

40:45acknowledge the the value of of

40:47classical liberalism. Now,

40:48unfortunately, there are virtually no

40:51classical liberals in the Democrat Party

40:53as it stands in 2026. Really, the only

40:56two people from a from let's say a

40:59leftist perspective or a Democrat Party

41:01perspective in America who are defending

41:03liberalism are John Fetterman, who's the

41:07senator from Pennsylvania, who quite

41:09literally was a leftist and had brain

41:11damage and as his brain has healed, he's

41:13become more conservative. So, that

41:15>> [laughter]

41:17>> that tells you something.

41:19But he's still wearing those hoodies, I

41:20don't know why. That'll be the final the

41:22final move for him. He's going to say,

41:23"You know what? I'm pro-life and I'm

41:24putting on a suit and that's it." Um

41:27but it's him and Bill Maher, of course,

41:28who's been the standard-bearer for true

41:30liberalism in America. But

41:32interestingly, and I have said this to

41:34Bill Maher on air several times and and

41:36the first time I said it to him was

41:38about 4 years ago and and you can watch

41:39it. It was on his Club Random show and

41:40you can see him light up because he I

41:42don't think he had quite heard it so

41:44granularly. This is well before he had

41:46broke bread with Trump, you know, about

41:48a year ago and it was before the

41:50re-election of Trump. And I said, "Bill,

41:52tell me this. Where do you think you

41:54would go and be responded better to?

41:56Would it be if you went to an AOC rally

42:01or a Trump rally?"

42:03And suddenly, you can you can literally

42:04see his eyes open up because he realized

42:07the people that hate Bill Maher, that

42:09are going after liberalism,

42:12the idea to think differently rooted in

42:14the individual, they're all on the left.

42:16They want you to think what they think

42:18the second they think it and that's it.

42:21And I would also add

42:22that even though I think Abe was right

42:24that wokeism in a certain sense,

42:26particularly the gender stuff, has sort

42:28of burned itself out. I think the thing

42:30that we're seeing is that it's actually

42:32now taking its final form and its final

42:34form is the marriage with Islam and

42:37that's what we have with Zohran Mamdani

42:39in New York and that obviously you have

42:42I mean, many senses has taken over many

42:44cities in in the UK particularly. So,

42:48the state of the left, I would say, is

42:51disastrous. In America, the fact that

42:54I'm sure many of you saw it when Donald

42:56Trump gave the State of the Union and

42:57all he asked everyone in that chamber to

43:00do was stand up if you think that you

43:03are here to protect Americans' rights

43:05first and not one Democrat stood up. I

43:08mean, that was a really good the guy

43:10understands television and he

43:12understands moments and his pause and

43:14the way he stepped away from the mic and

43:16he just looked at them and pointed.

43:18And I think Americans are realizing that

43:20and and again, that's why I'm not as

43:22negative on the midterms as as most

43:24people are. However, the marriage now of

43:28the woksters

43:30with the Islamists is the great

43:32challenge and and it's the challenge

43:34that Europeans have been dealing with

43:36that now we are going to see. But the

43:38woke the purely woke bananas part of it,

43:41I think is now going to be hidden under

43:42something else that will be much more

43:44wrapped in just outright communism. You

43:46know, years ago, Bernie Sanders used to

43:48always say he's a Democrat Socialist.

43:51They don't say Democrat anymore. They

43:52just now they say they are socialists,

43:54right? Zohran Mamdani is a socialist. He

43:56ran on a socialist platform. He's really

43:58a communist, which he'll say in about 2

44:00years, but it's it's a slow unmasking

44:03and I do think people see it.

44:06I feel like that marriage is going to be

44:08short-lived though.

44:09Obviously.

44:10>> Oh, yeah. Well, Cuz the moment that they

44:12outnumber you, they'll push you off the

44:14building first, right? That's it.

44:15>> Well, queers

44:16queers for Palestine is very different

44:18than Palestine for queers and

44:22Exactly.

44:23>> [applause]

44:26>> But fortunately, there are less high

44:28roofs to throw them off in Gaza now, so,

44:30you know.

44:31Oh.

44:33Wow, I could work blue in here. Okay.

44:35Good. Good.

44:38Wokeism, it was said by the historian

44:39Tom Holland in Dominion is a warped form

44:41of Christianity. Um one of the things

44:45we've mentioned a couple of times in

44:46this debate so far is abortion. It seems

44:48to me

44:49pretty unarguable that the absence of

44:51Christianity from society has completely

44:53removed our moral foundation. And that

44:56if there is to be a resumption of

44:58Western civilization along the lines

44:59that we all hope, it cannot be done

45:02without God. We sit in the nation where

45:03the first thing you see as you enter the

45:05airport is the slogan of God, family and

45:08country. They are absolutely

45:10unapologetic about this.

45:12As a whereas as a friend of ours text

45:14today from me the other day, you land in

45:15London, you could be in Cairo or

45:16anywhere because you see

45:18a multicultural nation with absolutely

45:20no

45:21adhesion to its Christian past.

45:23I think it's fair to say that Dave that

45:26you have a

45:27a less a strong adherence to

45:29Christianity than we do.

45:31Would you agree with my analysis though

45:33that without God, there can be no

45:35resumption of the West?

45:36>> Oh, absolutely. I mean, I can give you

45:38a purely secular argument for that,

45:40which is that our founders

45:42enshrined in the Bill of Rights the

45:44defense of what they called our

45:46God-given rights, right? I mean, a lot

45:49of people this it was a constant debate

45:51years ago that Jordan Peterson and Sam

45:52Harris had, you know, did all of the

45:54flourishing of the Western world come

45:56from the Enlightenment or really did

45:59year did generations and centuries of of

46:04religious texts and belief get us to the

46:07Enlightenment so that we could then have

46:08this expansion of true liberalism. The

46:11answer to that is obviously yes.

46:14I I happen to be Jewish, but I agree

46:16with everything that you said there

46:17absolutely and I'm blessed and thrilled

46:20to live in a Christian nation and I

46:22would hope that it will stay that way

46:23100%.

46:25Avi, you mentioned earlier

46:27the demographic

46:28bomb coming up that young men are

46:30becoming more conservative and more

46:32religious. Young women are adhering as

46:34it dies ever more strongly to

46:35progressivism. Should this trend

46:38continue, how do we get young women such

46:40as yourself back to God?

46:45I don't know

46:47specifically for for

46:49girls or for boys if the approach should

46:51be any different because the truth is

46:52the truth.

46:54And I think that's exactly what we need

46:55to be saying. And the truth can be found

46:58found in Jesus Christ.

47:00That's my my foremost belief and I know

47:04that this society and its flourishment,

47:07the greatness and its beauty

47:09comes from that.

47:11You you know, it's it's a cliche, but

47:13you can't have that house without a

47:15strong foundation. It's going to

47:17crumble.

47:19And so,

47:20you know, classic liberalism, we talk

47:22about the Enlightenment, you know, I

47:23think it's you know, like a joke that's

47:25the Enlightenment is where I went wrong.

47:28Um

47:29of course, that's that's partially true,

47:31but the problem with liberalism, maybe

47:34with classical liberalism, is that it

47:36never stays there.

47:38If your

47:40value system, your main value system is

47:42that everything revolves around freedom

47:44and equality,

47:46you know, you only need a couple of bad

47:48actors who are going to tell you exactly

47:51what that is, enforce that down your

47:53throat and say that you can choose

47:56whatever you think is right

47:59and you can just follow that and that

48:00can be at your own whims and that there

48:02is no such thing as the truth. And I

48:05think that's the main issue in the West

48:08is exactly that relativism

48:11that has become dominant as a result of

48:13the loss of God because we are not God.

48:17We cannot decide what the truth is, you

48:21know, like, "Oh, you have your truth and

48:23I have my truth." That's the problem.

48:25Like, we all need to know and our

48:27political establishment, I think, has

48:29totally forgotten that. That they are

48:32not God.

48:35I think for So, this is something that

48:37works on all levels, right? Not just in

48:39politics, it's a personal thing. It's

48:42something that works that way in a

48:43family, all institutions. If you have

48:46people who are God-fearing,

48:49who know what the teachings of Christ

48:51are, deeply live it, then that is the

48:55best type of world that you could have

48:57here on Earth. That that is I think that

49:00is the truth and we've seen that

49:02throughout history. That's where

49:04humanity flourishes.

49:06And so, knowing knowing that we as

49:09individuals are not God, that we are

49:11sinners, but that we can be that we are

49:13forgiven if we turn to Christ

49:17and ask him for that forgiveness.

49:20That

49:21that is not if you really deeply believe

49:23that, that doesn't

49:25that's not a great breeding ground for

49:27dictators, let's say.

49:29Or for

49:31>> [applause]

49:33>> or for people who think that little boys

49:36can become girls or little girls can

49:38become boys or that you can kill a baby

49:41in the womb because you just don't want

49:43it or because maybe it's not the right

49:46time, you know?

49:48And those are the

49:49the

49:50deepest evils that we see in this world

49:52like every single day.

49:55So,

49:56again, I'm

49:57this is for me this is not a that's not

49:59a political speech, you know, I I

50:02as much as I believe that my faith is at

50:04the at the heart of everything I believe

50:07so therefore also my politics,

50:10when I'm asked about it, I don't like to

50:14I don't like to speak and impose as if I

50:17am the one who knows the truth, you

50:19know, I I became a Catholic just a

50:21couple of years ago

50:23and I really would prefer to be on the

50:26humble side in that and not tell people,

50:30you know, exactly how they should live

50:32their lives but I would rather say I'm

50:34not I'm not I don't know everything but

50:37turn turn to those who do don't turn to

50:40the one who does and that's that's

50:41Christ. So, again, this is not a

50:44politically rehearsed answer that I'm

50:46giving you. It's just my personal deep

50:48feelings. They're intimate, you know,

50:50they're

50:51they're my own

50:52but I think that if we were to all do

50:54that and and

50:55be humble in that sense that the world

50:57would be a much much much better place.

51:00If I could just give you a sort of

51:02bumper sticker maybe more simplistic

51:04political answer on that which is that

51:07um I agree actually begrudgingly I've

51:10come to this over the years that

51:11liberalism in and of itself cannot

51:14defend itself and I think that that's

51:16what the progressives realized. They

51:17realized that the soft underbelly of

51:19tolerance that liberals tend to put at

51:21the top of the hierarchy was going to be

51:23the easiest way to usher in all of the

51:25bad things and that really explains the

51:27alliance between the progressives and

51:29the Islamists. You have the people who

51:30are the most you know, quote unquote

51:33progressive allying with the least

51:34progressive people and in all of their

51:36minds it seems to make sense and it's

51:38obviously because the Islamists are are

51:40using the progressives to get into the

51:43system. So, the bumper sticker version

51:45of it would be

51:46to me

51:48liberals need conservatives to guard the

51:51door. Liberals need conservatives to

51:55guard the things that are eternal so

51:57that the whims of the day the crazier

52:00whims of the day things can be pushed

52:02aside and unfortunately liberals from an

52:05American perspective I think and many of

52:07them I think regret it. I think if you

52:09were to talk to Bill Maher was he

52:10probably too harsh on George W. Bush or

52:14on some of the kind of

52:16middle of the road Republicans over the

52:18years for maybe some of their beliefs on

52:20social issues or on religion or

52:22something like that. I think the decent

52:24liberals would probably say yes because

52:26the decent liberals they aren't the ones

52:28that want to have to defend the borders

52:30and make some hard decisions on things

52:32and and that is that may to you is a

52:35critique of liberalism that took me a

52:37long time to realize but I would also

52:39say it's an it's also an argument for

52:41Trump again because Trump really I think

52:44has defended both conservatism and

52:46liberalism in the in at the highest

52:48level that you can do it as an American

52:51politician, you know, he's a

52:52conservative for obvious reasons. Let's

52:54say putting you know, justices on the

52:56Supreme Court who reversed Roe v. Wade.

52:58That's obvious. He's a conservative and

53:00that he's defended the border. Um but

53:02does Trump

53:03does Trump the private man

53:06do you think he's radically against

53:07abortion? The answer probably is no.

53:10Donald Trump was the first incoming

53:12first time president to be for marriage

53:14equality. Not even Barack Obama was.

53:16That's not even an issue in America. So,

53:18Donald Trump has done this incredible

53:21dance to bring together all of these

53:23people and the real question for the

53:25future of American politics is will

53:27anyone be able to do that again?

53:30I'm not so sure what the answer is.

53:33Uh the great Maurice Glasman just your

53:34point British Labour peer says the one

53:37word you never want to hear in an

53:38oncologist's office is progression. Why

53:40should it be the case in politics that

53:41we do want to hear it?

53:43Um ladies and gentlemen, it's now time

53:45for you who have had an hour to think of

53:48wonderful questions for our brilliant

53:50duopoly to put those questions. So, I

53:52think and I hope we have a microphone

53:54somewhere that shall be circulating.

53:57Uh and I shall begin with the uh lady

54:00gesturing vociferously at the top here

54:02and then move down to the left because

54:04we never like to be at the left unless

54:05move to the right after that.

54:09Madam, please.

54:10Thank you so much. Thank you, Melissa,

54:12for uh

54:13this wonderful

54:15Danube Institute. God bless you. My name

54:18is Mona Zaki. I'm a professor of

54:21strategic thinking.

54:23I'm Coptic Orthodox

54:25Egyptian.

54:27I live in Cairo

54:29and I'm really impressed by Eva. God

54:34bless you.

54:36I have to tell you

54:37that

54:39the panel is impressive because as an

54:41Egyptian myself

54:43we live in the middle of the crisis

54:46surrounded by crazy neighborhoods.

54:48So, you can imagine the fire we go

54:50through around starting Gaza, Libya

54:55Syria, please have Syria in your mind.

54:58Iraq, Sudan, Yemen. All this area it's

55:00crazy around. So, my question here when

55:04you say do we really need God?

55:07This is our only way to survive.

55:11I always say

55:12safety is not in the absence of danger.

55:16It's in the presence of God.

55:20This [applause]

55:21Thank you.

55:22This what made Copts live up till now

55:26with the head high

55:28with a very strong martyr history

55:31including the 2015

55:3420 Egyptian martyrs in Libya who

55:37insisted on sticking to the religion,

55:40sticking to Christianity and really

55:42losing their lives after a terrible

55:44torture in modern history. So, my

55:48question is

55:50Trump is doing a great job trying to

55:54save the world against Islamists.

55:58He's doing a great job trying to save

56:00his own country.

56:02But

56:03what about the victims of the wars? What

56:07about those the the Christians in Iran,

56:10the converted Christians in Iran? What

56:13about the

56:14the Christians in Syria who are really

56:16slaughtered down and Syria is moving

56:19moving into this problem like

56:22Taliban and Afghanistan. Syria is in a

56:25really bad shape. What about the

56:27Christians in the Middle East? So, the

56:30Christians in Sudan. So, the Christian

56:32in in Gaza. So, this is as a Christian

56:35myself with a Catholic education of

56:38Orthodox origin

56:41as a real real authentic Copt who comes

56:44from the ancient Egyptians that was

56:46originally a Coptic country before the

56:50uh the Arabs' intervention. So, what

56:53about those Christians around the Middle

56:55East? Are they in their in the minds and

56:58the prayers of the politics the high

57:01leaders' politics? Thank you very much.

57:03Dave, do you want to take that one?

57:05Well, first I would say that the

57:07I I've been to Cairo once. It was 1997

57:10so it was a long time ago and I visited

57:12the Coptic quarter over there and as you

57:14point out I mean there there were

57:16a tremendous amount of Coptic Christians

57:18in Egypt and there's almost nobody left

57:20at least in a in a functioning sense

57:23anymore and I would say Europeans might

57:25want to take that as a warning that what

57:27will happen as you import more people

57:29who will bring in an ideology and a

57:31religion that will subjugate you and

57:33ultimately

57:35either kill you or force you to leave.

57:37So, from a political perspective

57:39everything you said about Trump and I

57:41think his vision is is completely right.

57:43Um there isn't a great discussion about

57:47that happening nationally at the moment.

57:49A little bit with what happened in Sudan

57:51over the last month or two leaked into

57:53the mainstream media.

57:55Um there's a little bit mostly mostly

57:59because Tucker Carlson actually

58:00completely lied about the Christian

58:02situation in Israel and said that they

58:04were diminishing in Israel which was a

58:05100% lie. It's the only place in the

58:07Middle East that Christian numbers are

58:08actually going up. Mostly because he did

58:10that it did shine a light on some

58:12Christian communities in the Middle East

58:14but no, unfortunately it's not top of

58:17mind what's happening across the board.

58:20Uh we should say that one government

58:21that does help the persecuted church is

58:23Hungary with Hungary Helps. As far as

58:25I'm aware the only government department

58:26in the world specifically with that

58:28mission.

58:29Uh

58:30>> [applause]

58:31>> the gentleman in the second row here I

58:33believe was next with his hand up with

58:36the pale coat.

58:44Can I add something about the the

58:45European establishment? Obviously

58:48to the question of the of the woman in

58:49the back.

58:51Sadly

58:52here in Europe our establishment doesn't

58:55even care about the Christians here.

58:58So, you know, and you know this.

59:01So, this is a this is the biggest issue

59:03is that they are the ones actively also

59:06in the documentation of the European

59:08Union in

59:10defining what it means to be European,

59:13they wrote that out. So, I earlier I

59:16earlier I made a joke about the

59:17enlightenment, you know,

59:19they they named the enlightenment.

59:22They talk about that. They talk about

59:24liberalism. They talk about freedom.

59:26They talk about equality. Christianity

59:28was never mentioned once.

59:30It's the foundation of this continent.

59:32You know, so that shows you again, that

59:33shows you their intent, right?

59:36If you take that out,

59:38okay, who do you stand for then instead?

59:41Good evening.

59:42Uh Andre Kolarik, uh Ladislav Hanus

59:44Institute, Slovakia.

59:46Um my question is more specifically to

59:50uh Eva.

59:51Uh you are speaking much about

59:53remigration. Um my question is

59:56if there is a genuine person who wants

59:59to who is from a different continent,

1:00:01wants to come to Netherlands and become

1:00:03Dutch,

1:00:04or wants to come to some other country

1:00:07and become genuinely, I don't know,

1:00:09Frenchman, German, whatever.

1:00:11Um

1:00:12the the current governments don't define

1:00:14it.

1:00:15What would it take

1:00:18for a citizen of, let's say, Oman

1:00:21to become a Dutchman,

1:00:23to be accepted by you as a Dutchman?

1:00:26Thank you.

1:00:27Thank you. I appreciate that question

1:00:29because there is a lot of debate about

1:00:32this going on right now

1:00:34because it's a tricky question for the

1:00:37obvious reason that the

1:00:40the debate right now about what it means

1:00:43to be a Dutchman or what it means to be

1:00:45a Brit, we've seen it in especially now

1:00:48with Restore Britain with Rupert Lowe.

1:00:50There is there are

1:00:52different [snorts] opinions on that,

1:00:53whether that should be only a cultural

1:00:56question. Of course, then you come into

1:00:58the the sphere that say of the um the

1:01:01civic nationalists

1:01:03or if there is also a component of

1:01:06ethnicity, of your ancestry, right?

1:01:09And now that debate has been shunned for

1:01:12as long as we can remember because if

1:01:14you even dared to suggest that yes, also

1:01:18ethnicity

1:01:19is a part, you know, of that equation,

1:01:23then you were branded a white

1:01:25supremacist.

1:01:26Now, obviously, no one is saying that or

1:01:29I am at least not saying that if you are

1:01:32white that you are superior to any other

1:01:34person of any other ethnic background. I

1:01:37am a Christian. I believe that we are

1:01:38all made in the image of God. So,

1:01:40therefore, I would never say something

1:01:42like that or believe it or think it.

1:01:45To the question of what it means,

1:01:47though, to be a Dutchman or a Frenchman

1:01:50or a German, can you become Dutch coming

1:01:54from Oman?

1:01:55I mean,

1:01:56I think if we were turn the question

1:01:58around and, you know, I would like you

1:02:00to think about that maybe as well. I am

1:02:02I am, for example, I'm married to the

1:02:04most wonderful Italian man who's sitting

1:02:05right here.

1:02:08I

1:02:10I could say that I integrated

1:02:13a bit quite well into Italian society. I

1:02:16speak the language. I know all of their

1:02:18gestures, you know.

1:02:20I uh

1:02:22no, I will not incriminate myself now,

1:02:23but

1:02:24>> [laughter]

1:02:24>> you know, I know a thing or two about

1:02:27about Italian culture, let's say. Am I

1:02:29Italian? No.

1:02:32I'm not Italian. But I have the same

1:02:35religion.

1:02:36I'm a Catholic as the leading religion

1:02:39in Italy. I speak the language. I live

1:02:41there. I'm integrated. But I wouldn't

1:02:43call myself Italian because I'm not. I'm

1:02:45Dutch.

1:02:46You know, I was born in the Netherlands.

1:02:48I have ethnically Dutch ancestry for as

1:02:52long as you could probably um go back,

1:02:56we we know that. You know, therefore,

1:02:58I'm Dutch. Does that mean that

1:03:01I should be treated badly or differently

1:03:05in Italy? No.

1:03:07Not if I adapt myself to that society.

1:03:10So, of course, to answer your question

1:03:13once again, there

1:03:15absolutely can be immigration possible

1:03:18from other parts of the world

1:03:21if the people that come choose your

1:03:24society, adapt themselves, and are of

1:03:27benefit to the host land. And the latter

1:03:30is basically not happening with the

1:03:32immigration that we have right now. The

1:03:34doctors and the engineers are not

1:03:35coming.

1:03:36I'm sorry. You know, so, you know,

1:03:39that's the thing. We can have

1:03:41discussions all we want about

1:03:43integration, but it's too late for that.

1:03:45It's too late for that because we let

1:03:47too many people in, and that's why now

1:03:50we are forced, which, you know, if it

1:03:53didn't happen, I would have never had to

1:03:54and I would have never wanted to, but

1:03:56now we are forced to go back to the

1:03:57question, what does it mean to be

1:03:58European? What does it mean to be

1:04:00French? What does it mean to be German?

1:04:02And I do think that your ethnicity plays

1:04:04a role in that.

1:04:05And that we also, as the native people

1:04:08of Europe, and that's why I constantly,

1:04:10you know, reiterate that, have a right

1:04:13to remain the majority in our own

1:04:14country cuz you cannot just magically

1:04:16separate the two completely. It's not

1:04:18realistic. It's not realistic. Doesn't

1:04:21mean that it's not possible for the

1:04:23individual.

1:04:25>> [applause]

1:04:26>> But with the numbers that we are looking

1:04:27at right now,

1:04:29we need to have another type of debate.

1:04:31So, I hope that answers your question

1:04:33enough. Dave. I would just add in in 10

1:04:35seconds, I would say three words to that

1:04:37person, not right now. These countries

1:04:41have to deal with all of their internal

1:04:43issues and let them deal with that first

1:04:45as Eva just pointed out, and then there

1:04:48can be that discussion. But I mean that

1:04:49from an American perspective, too, not

1:04:51right now.

1:04:54Uh the gentleman in the Corvette uh on

1:04:57the top row there.

1:05:00Hi. Uh my name is Eugene Haller and I'm

1:05:02an independent thinker.

1:05:04Um since we're on the subject of

1:05:07censorship, why is it that anybody who

1:05:10questions Israel is automatically

1:05:13considered an anti-Semite?

1:05:17Specifically Tucker Carlson.

1:05:21Well, I don't think anyone is. I'm going

1:05:22to guess that you're not an anti-Semite,

1:05:24but I suspect you question Israel. So,

1:05:26you can have Of course, you can have

1:05:27legitimate

1:05:29uh questions about any nation-state and

1:05:31any leader or anything else. Tucker has

1:05:33done something completely, completely

1:05:36different uh to go to Israel and not get

1:05:38off the plane and ask Mike Huckabee, an

1:05:41evangelical Christian, uh why Israelis

1:05:44shouldn't, like Bibi Netanyahu shouldn't

1:05:46have DNA tests. Uh there's something

1:05:49that maybe is a little anti-Semitic

1:05:51about that. You know, he does a lot of

1:05:53trickery. Al- almost everything Tucker

1:05:54does has become some sort of verbal

1:05:57trickery. One of the things he does when

1:05:58he's criticizing Israel from one side is

1:06:01he'll say the secular state of Israel,

1:06:03implying that it's not a religious

1:06:05state, which it it blends both religious

1:06:08uh nature and and secularism. So, he'll

1:06:11attack it on one side for being secular

1:06:13in in that somehow that it shouldn't

1:06:15have this land because if it's a secular

1:06:17state, they shouldn't be in this place

1:06:18that was promised in the Bible. And then

1:06:21quite literally uh 2 weeks ago on his

1:06:23show, he said that Chabad, which is

1:06:25basically just a Jewish outreach

1:06:27program, he made it uh he basically

1:06:30called them akin to a terrorist

1:06:32organization that was going to blow up

1:06:33Al-Aqsa Mosque to build the Third

1:06:35Temple. So, he wants to hit it from the

1:06:37secular side and the religious side. So,

1:06:40it's one of it's one of those things

1:06:42that it's why anti-Semitism is the

1:06:44oldest hatred, I would say. When Jews

1:06:46have power, people say, "Oh, we hate

1:06:48them cuz they have power." When they

1:06:49don't have power, "Oh, look at them.

1:06:51They're they're less than. They're

1:06:53pathetic." So, it's a it's a constant

1:06:56shell game that he is playing. But

1:06:58believe me, you can criticize Israel.

1:07:00I've been there many times. There's no

1:07:01one that criticizes Israel more than

1:07:02Israelis. So,

1:07:04uh

1:07:05I wouldn't worry about it.

1:07:06>> that is true. Uh

1:07:08in for in in Israel, you can criticize

1:07:10them, but in the United States, when the

1:07:11first thing you say to them, uh you

1:07:14start questioning Israel, all of a

1:07:15sudden out of the woodwork comes

1:07:17everybody piling on.

1:07:19>> think that's more of a I think that's

1:07:20more of a canard than reality. I I think

1:07:23people Yeah, I think people criticize

1:07:26Israel. I mean, look, there's a cottage

1:07:27industry of podcasters right now making

1:07:30a living criticizing Israel, saying, "I

1:07:32can't say this." Then they say it. They

1:07:34make money. They say it again. They make

1:07:36more money. So, I I I don't think it's

1:07:38true. Now, is it possible that the the

1:07:40word or the phrase uh anti-Semitism has

1:07:42been used too much? Sure. Sure. Uh I

1:07:45that's why I try not to attack people's

1:07:47motives. I try to attack uh what they

1:07:49say. So, I I think a a little bit of

1:07:52that is uh I mean, for example, what

1:07:54what would you like to criticize Israel

1:07:56over? Let's see if it's anti-Semitic.

1:07:57>> the thing is that I follow Alan

1:07:59Dershowitz. Yeah.

1:08:00>> And I I follow him.

1:08:02And of course, with the the Kent thing,

1:08:04the first thing is vehemently

1:08:07he it was it was almost vulgar uh the

1:08:10the the podcast that he put out about

1:08:13Kent. And I'm like and I wrote I wrote I

1:08:16I wrote into him and I said, you know,

1:08:17it's like, you know, maybe you should

1:08:19tone it down a little bit. Um

1:08:22but um you know,

1:08:23>> Sure. Well, I can't I can't speak to

1:08:24that comment specifically cuz I I didn't

1:08:26see his show about that. Um but I would

1:08:29say if you want to criticize guys Kent,

1:08:30what should peop- what people should be

1:08:31doing, uh which we shot my show in this

1:08:33very room this morning, what you should

1:08:34be criticizing is that like putting

1:08:37aside that he has completely

1:08:38flip-flopped all his positions on Iran

1:08:40over the years because he was completely

1:08:42behind Trump doing military action in

1:08:44Iran as much as 2 years ago or as little

1:08:46as 2 years ago, that's one thing. Uh but

1:08:48what people should be criticizing him is

1:08:50he likely was a leaker who has been

1:08:52kicked out of White House meetings for

1:08:54months.

1:08:54>> Well, that's the but that's a separate

1:08:55issue. That's likely. We don't have

1:08:57proof of that.

1:08:57>> Sir, I'm going to allow Eva to put the

1:08:59case to Tucker Carlson's defense.

1:09:02Yeah, well, you know, the thing is um

1:09:04this is a very tricky one. And

1:09:09to that I will I will agree with you.

1:09:12I personally know this, for example,

1:09:14because I'm simultaneously called a

1:09:16Zionist

1:09:17and an anti-Semite all of the time.

1:09:21This is true. And I'm not somebody who's

1:09:23particularly outspoken, for example,

1:09:26about that region of the world because

1:09:29as I've told you basically the entire

1:09:31time that we've been talking, I'm

1:09:33someone who focuses on Europe first and

1:09:37on the issues that I actually know a lot

1:09:40about that I have historical ties to,

1:09:43but I do agree with you that it's an

1:09:44extremely explosive subject that also

1:09:47maybe more so maybe in Europe than in

1:09:49America.

1:09:51>> [snorts]

1:09:52>> There are very strong reactions to

1:09:56criticism of even the government of

1:09:59Israel which I think should be allowed

1:10:01and shouldn't be equated to

1:10:03anti-Semitism.

1:10:05Of course,

1:10:06you know, this goes absolutely both

1:10:08ways. Um

1:10:10I see rampant anti-Semitism in Europe

1:10:13and it comes predominantly from people

1:10:15that we have let in in very very very

1:10:18large numbers.

1:10:19Uh it doesn't come from someone like me

1:10:21yet I also get called an anti-Semite

1:10:24by people on the left or people more so

1:10:28in the center and that is that is

1:10:30something that I find problematic. As to

1:10:32Tucker Carlson personally, um he is

1:10:35someone that I've known for many years.

1:10:38I think, you know, I think loyalty is

1:10:40something that is incredibly important

1:10:42in my personal life. I stand by that all

1:10:43the time so you will never hear me say

1:10:45anything bad about him.

1:10:46Um as a man, I think that he has done

1:10:49incredible work also for the

1:10:51conservative movement in America and

1:10:53that on this subject you know, you can

1:10:56have he has strong opinions and you can

1:10:57differ

1:10:59with him, but that's the beauty of I

1:11:01think American society is that you have

1:11:02that that right and it's enshrined in

1:11:05your

1:11:06in your constitution much more

1:11:09than it is here. And by the way, I'll

1:11:11I'll defend that all day long. Tucker

1:11:12and I used to be good friends. He

1:11:13blurred my book. We were on each other's

1:11:15shows all the time. We have

1:11:16and for the record, um I tried to solve

1:11:19a lot of this with him privately before

1:11:22a lot you know, much of this burst forth

1:11:24publicly, but 100% I would back all

1:11:26that. I'm not for Tucker being kicked

1:11:27off YouTube or any other platform. He's

1:11:29welcome to to spout uh you know, his

1:11:32what I think is conspiratorial nonsense.

1:11:34He He can He can He can do it all day

1:11:37long and then it's my right to to uh

1:11:39push back on that with my free speech.

1:11:41All right, but you know, let's get back

1:11:42to that Well, I'm afraid so. We shall

1:11:44get back because We we got a lot of

1:11:45hands here. With regret, ladies and

1:11:47gentlemen, lucisti saltiest

1:11:49all games must end. It is for me to

1:11:52thank you for attending, but most of all

1:11:54for me to thank Eva Vlaardingerbroek and

1:11:56Dave Rubin for this most fascinating

1:11:58evening. Thank you so much.

1:12:00>> [applause]

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