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0:00ANDREW HUBERMAN: Welcome to the Huberman Lab podcast,

0:02where we discuss science and science-based tools

0:04for everyday life.

0:05[MUSIC PLAYING]

0:09I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor

0:10of neurobiology and ophthalmology

0:12at Stanford School of Medicine.

0:14Today we are discussing fertility.

0:16We will discuss male fertility and female fertility.

0:19And I should mention that today's discussion is not just

0:23for people who are seeking to conceive children

0:25or who want to know how their children were conceived,

0:27but it's really for everybody.

0:29And I say that because it is the story of all of us.

0:32All of us are here because a specialized set

0:35of cells, called germ cells--

0:38that is the sperm and the egg.

0:39And I'll make it very clear why they're called

0:41germ cells a little bit later.

0:43It has nothing to do with infection.

0:44But it's because a sperm cell and an egg cell arrived at one

0:50another, either in vivo-- inside of our mother-- or in vitro--

0:54so-called in vitro fertilization-- and then

0:55we're implanted into our mother and became us.

0:59And so understanding the process of how

1:02the egg cell and the sperm cell came to be

1:06is really the key to understanding

1:07how that fertilization process came to be.

1:10Now, I know everyone's thinking, I

1:11know how fertilization occurs.

1:13It occurs through sexual intercourse and so on.

1:15And we'll talk a little bit about that.

1:17But I promise you that if you understand

1:19the menstrual cycle--

1:21and the menstrual cycle in today's conversation

1:23can best be thought of as a biological cycle that

1:26occurs in females that allows the potential for fertilization

1:30by the sperm, because that's really what it is,

1:33and it's a beautifully orchestrated process

1:35that I'll describe to you.

1:36And I should say, all people, males and females, should

1:39really understand how the menstrual cycle works,

1:41how it impacts fertilization, but also

1:45how it impacts the brain and body, behavior, psychology,

1:48et cetera.

1:49And we'll also talk about spermatogenesis,

1:52how sperm cells come to be and how they arrive--

1:56that is, how they swim to the egg--

1:58and the incredible interplay between the biology

2:01of the sperm and the biology of the egg

2:05leads to this incredible thing that we call embryogenesis

2:08and the birth of the child and, of course,

2:11the development of that child into an infant, a toddler,

2:16an adolescent, a teen, and an adult.

2:19Today's discussion, again, is not just

2:21for those of you that are seeking to have children.

2:24And I say that because when you look at the data,

2:28you look at the literature on longevity and vitality,

2:31two themes in biology that oftentimes people lump together

2:35but aren't always the same-- for instance,

2:37there are a lot of things that we

2:38can do to increase our vitality that actually

2:41can harm our longevity.

2:43But there are a subset of biological rules and mechanisms

2:47that, when aligned, allow us to maximize both

2:51our vitality and our longevity.

2:54And I think it's fair to say that all of those mechanisms

2:57and tools are housed in the discussion

2:59around maximizing fertility.

3:01And that's true whether or not you're male or female.

3:04In other words, if you want children

3:06or if you don't, if you already have children

3:08or if you don't, understanding how fertility and fertilization

3:12occurs in the brain and body will

3:15allow you to maximize your vitality and longevity.

3:18And of course, today's discussion

3:20will provide an understanding of the biology

3:22and many actionable tools that will also help you conceive

3:25children, if that's your wish.

3:26So of course, as is characteristic of this podcast,

3:30we will discuss science-based tools,

3:32including behavioral tools, both the dos and the don'ts, and we

3:35will discuss nutrition-based tools and supplementation-based

3:39tools and some other practices, including things like

3:42acupuncture, which have quite good data to support them

3:46in terms of improving fertility.

3:47And we will discuss why those certain practices can work.

3:51And we will discuss prescription drugs

3:53that your doctor can prescribe to you if, for instance, you

3:57have a deficit at the level of hormone production

4:00or neurotransmitter production at the level of the brain

4:02or the pituitary gland--

4:03I'll explain what all of those things are soon--

4:05or the gonads, the ovary and the testes in females and males

4:10respectively.

4:12Again, by the end of today's episode,

4:13you will have a lot of knowledge and actionable tools related

4:16to maximizing fertility, and you will

4:18have a lot of knowledge and actionable tools related

4:21to maximizing vitality and longevity.

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8:20Let's talk about fertility.

8:21And in doing so, let's take a step back from this word

8:24"fertility" and ask, what is fertility and fertilization

8:27really all about?

8:28Well, the obvious answer is that it's about producing offspring.

8:31But more importantly, it's about producing offspring

8:34that contain the genetic components of both parents

8:38and indeed contain half of the genes from one parent

8:41and half of the genes from another parent.

8:43Now, there are two general types of cells in the body.

8:46The most common types of cells in the body

8:48are called somatic cells.

8:49So these would be all the cells in your body

8:51except the egg in females and the sperm in males.

8:54The egg in females and the sperm males

8:57are part of what's called the germline.

8:59And again, it has nothing to do with infection.

9:00It's just that the cells of the germline have genes that cannot

9:05be modified by the behavior of the individual that houses

9:09those genes.

9:10What do I mean by that?

9:11Well, if I were to tell you that by exercising you can improve

9:14mitochondrial function, you can change hormones

9:18by reducing stress, you can reduce cortisol

9:20by hitting puberty, for instance, you

9:24will have the secretion of hormones that then change

9:26gene expression in other cells, leading

9:28to the development of body hair, facial hair,

9:31deepening the voice, breast growth, et cetera,

9:33you'd say, OK, great.

9:34Yeah, that all makes perfect sense.

9:36But that's all occurring in the so-called somatic cells.

9:39The germ cells or the germline cells--

9:41that is, the egg and the sperm--

9:43are a very unique and protected set

9:46of cells that are generated in a particular way

9:49and whose genetic components are not modifiable by experience.

9:55And when you take a step back and you think about it,

9:57you say, oh, that's right.

9:58There's no reason to think that exercising

10:00will make the children that you have not yet had stronger.

10:05And you say, of course not.

10:06Well, why is that?

10:07Well, that's because there is a barrier

10:09between the genes of the germline cells and behaviors.

10:14They cannot be modified by behaviors and the various

10:16things that you do in your lifetime.

10:18Now, I suppose there's an exception

10:19in the negative direction.

10:21And what I'm referring to here is if you were to, say,

10:24be exposed to a chemical that could mutate the DNA

10:27of your egg or sperm or if you were to fertilize an embryo

10:32in a certain way or at a certain stage of life that it got

10:35an extra chromosome, for instance--

10:36we'll talk about this a little bit later--

10:38well, then, of course, you could end up

10:39with offspring that have modified

10:42DNA that don't faithfully represent half of the genes

10:45from mom and half of the genes from dad.

10:48But that's not the same as specific behaviors

10:51modifying the genes of those cells--

10:53the sperm and the egg cells--

10:55in a way that improves the offspring.

10:58So the key first thing to understand today

11:00is that there's a distinction between somatic cells, which

11:03is the vast majority of cells in your body,

11:04and the so-called germline cells, which

11:05are the egg and the sperm.

11:06The egg and the sperm are these highly protected populations

11:09of cells that, in females, actually come

11:13to be during embryogenesis.

11:16So for all females out there, you

11:18generate what today I'm going to refer to as a vault of cells.

11:22You have a vault of eggs that are your germline.

11:26Those eggs all contain all the chromosomes of your DNA.

11:32So it's going to be-- as most of you

11:33know, there are 23 chromosomes, and chromosomes exist in pairs.

11:37So the way to think about this is each pair is one strand,

11:40and you have 22 so-called autosomes,

11:42and then you have one sex chromosome.

11:44The sex chromosome will be either X or Y. So in a female,

11:47they have two X chromosomes.

11:48So in each one of the eggs that a woman has

11:51and that she's had since she was an embryo

11:53and that's contained in this vault,

11:55those eggs are, of course, going to be very immature at birth.

11:59She hasn't undergone puberty yet.

12:00And certainly, as an embryo, she hasn't undergone puberty.

12:03And those cells are going to contain

12:0523 pairs of chromosomes.

12:08This is very important--

12:0923 pairs of chromosomes.

12:12The chromosomes are essentially the wrapped-up DNA

12:16that contains all the genetic information

12:18to create any cell type in the body

12:20and actually to create an entirely new individual.

12:23Now, there are 23 pairs of chromosomes, 22 of which

12:26are called autosomes.

12:28If that doesn't make sense to you,

12:29just remember, autosome, OK, there's 22 of them.

12:32And then there's one so-called sex chromosome.

12:34The sex chromosomes are either X or Y. But this is a female,

12:37so she's going to have 23 pairs of chromosomes,

12:40and she's going to have two X chromosomes for the sex

12:44chromosomes.

12:45If this is already confusing to you, don't worry,

12:47I'll make it very clear how this all relates to fertility

12:50and how it relates to chromosomal segregation

12:53and a bunch of things that I think maybe you've heard of

12:55and that perhaps were opaque to you.

12:57But I promise to make them clear.

12:59But just understand that, within each of those eggs,

13:01they have 23 pairs of chromosomes.

13:03And for those of you that like nomenclature,

13:06I'll tell you that those cells are considered diploid.

13:09They're called the diploid, and that

13:11means that they have 23 pairs of chromosomes,

13:14as distinguished from cells that are

13:16haploid where there's only one set of those 23 chromosomes.

13:22So instead of 23 pairs, there's only 23 chromosomes.

13:25We'll come back to haploid cells a little bit later.

13:28So when a female is born, she has all these eggs

13:32in the reserve, in this vault, that she'll

13:34have for her entire life.

13:35She's not going to make any more.

13:37But they are very, very immature.

13:39So when a woman is in embryogenesis,

13:41she develops these very immature eggs.

13:44Today we're also going to talk about follicles,

13:46and we will be careful to distinguish follicles

13:50from eggs.

13:50They're often talked about interchangeably, online

13:53and elsewhere and even by fertility docs and OB/GYNs.

13:56But right now we're just talking about the egg cells, the eggs

14:00themselves, which are cells.

14:02Now, the goal of fertilization is

14:05to bring that egg cell into close enough proximity

14:08that it can be fertilized by a single sperm cell.

14:12And that sperm cell will bring 23 chromosomes, as well,

14:16that include--

14:17just as in the female egg, it'll have 22 autosomes and one sex

14:22chromosome.

14:23And in the male, that sex chromosome

14:24can either be an X chromosome, which then would give rise

14:28to female offspring, or a Y chromosome, which would

14:32give rise to male offspring.

14:33And today we're not talking about sexual differentiation.

14:36That's a topic of a previous and yet another future episode.

14:39But just to give you a sense of how X chromosomes and Y

14:43chromosomes can actually accomplish

14:45that sexual differentiation, both of body and brain.

14:49I'll just mention in two sentences that, for instance,

14:52if there's a Y chromosome as opposed to an X chromosome,

14:55that Y chromosome contains genes that suppress, for instance,

14:59the development of female genitalia

15:01and thereby give rise to male genitalia.

15:05So rather than the formation of a clitoris,

15:07it's the formation of a penis.

15:08And rather than the formation of ovaries,

15:10the formation of a testes.

15:12So that's more directed towards sexual differentiation.

15:14We're not going to get into that right now.

15:16We'll get into that in a future episode.

15:18But even if you're only tracking about 10%

15:21of what I'm saying right now, I promise you're doing great.

15:24If you're tracking more than 10%, well,

15:25then you're doing terrifically well,

15:27because the essence of fertility and fertilization is to bring

15:30together that haploid cell that is the sperm that only has 23

15:37chromosomes-- but not pairs of chromosomes

15:40because that's the DNA from dad--

15:42together with the egg, which, as I told you already,

15:45has 23 pairs of chromosomes.

15:47So part of the fertilization process

15:50has to be to get rid of one half of those 23 pairs

15:54in the female.

15:55You got to get rid of it, and you

15:58have to get the egg and the sperm in proximity

16:00so that the egg can potentially be fertilized

16:03by the sperm bringing the DNA, the 23

16:07single strands of chromosomes from dad,

16:11into a cell that has 23 single strands from mom.

16:16So I realize I'm probably being a little bit repetitive here,

16:18but I want everyone to understand this

16:21because it really frames up fertility and reproduction

16:24in the proper way.

16:26We've got a cell from mom, the egg, which

16:29has 23 pairs of chromosomes.

16:32We need to get rid of one set of those pairs

16:35so that there's only 23 chromosomes.

16:37We need to get rid of half of those chromosomes.

16:40And then we need to bring that cell together physically

16:43with the sperm cell that contains the 23

16:48chromosomal strands from dad.

16:50And we need to bring those together so that you

16:52get 23 chromosomal pairs from dad

16:54and 23 chromosomal pairs from mom.

16:58And in doing so, you create a cell, which

17:02then becomes multiple cells.

17:03That's going to be the developing embryo that

17:05has half the genes from mom and half the genes from dad.

17:08So I hope that's clear.

17:09That is the biological logic, which I realize

17:12is a bit of a tongue twister.

17:13But forgive me.

17:14It is the most accurate way to describe this process.

17:17We're trying to bring together the 23 single strands

17:21of chromosomes from dad and the 23

17:23single strands of chromosomes from mom into the same cell.

17:27Now, that requires a literal physical contact

17:31and pairing of the two cells.

17:33But as I mentioned before, all these eggs in mom

17:37are sitting in a vault, and they're very, very immature.

17:40So the ovulatory cycle and the menstrual cycle

17:44are really about first eliminating

17:47half of the chromosomal pairs in that 23 sets of chromosomes

17:51and not getting rid of, for instance, half--

17:54just going 1 to 11 or 12 to 23.

17:59That's not the goal.

18:00The goal is to have chromosomes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,

18:026, all the way up to 23, but only to have

18:05half of the chromosomes there and to bring that cell together

18:09with the sperm cell, physically, then allow

18:11them to fuse and allow the chromosomes from dad

18:14and the chromosomes from mom to fuse within a single cell

18:18and duplicate into cells that contain half of the chromosomes

18:22from dad and half of the chromosomes from mom.

18:24That's what the ovulatory and menstrual cycle

18:26are really all about.

18:27So when thinking about it that way,

18:29I'd like to just initiate the discussion by focusing first

18:32on the female component, or the egg component,

18:35of fertility and fertilization.

18:39As I mentioned before, a female has all the eggs,

18:43albeit very immature eggs, that she's going to have at the time

18:46that she's born.

18:48Now, puberty will happen at some point

18:52and will allow the ovulatory and the menstrual cycle

18:55to commence.

18:57Now, one question that you perhaps are asking

18:58is, what controls the onset of puberty?

19:01And there are a number of different results,

19:04each of which could be an entire episode

19:05of a podcast on its own.

19:07But I'll just highlight a few things

19:08that we know about the onset of menses or menstruation,

19:12or it's sometimes also called a menarche.

19:14One thing that you'll notice about today's discussion

19:17is that if you were to take any number of your notes

19:19online and put them into a search function

19:22that you would see a lot of different language used

19:24for the same thing.

19:25So for instance, some people will

19:26talk about the egg and the follicle as the same thing,

19:28even though they are not.

19:29I'll explain the difference soon.

19:31Some people will talk about menses or menstruation

19:33or menarche as the exact same thing.

19:35And in fact, they are not the exact same thing,

19:37but oftentimes these words are used interchangeably.

19:40I'll do my best today to not overload you with nomenclature

19:43but rather to use the most commonly used terms

19:46for the different aspects of fertility and fertilization.

19:49But when it comes to the onset of puberty,

19:52first of all, most of you have probably

19:55heard that the onset of puberty is

19:58happening much earlier in females now

20:00than it was some years ago.

20:02And in fact, that is the case.

20:04And I'll talk about some statistics related

20:06to this which are pretty striking

20:08but don't necessarily point to anything detrimental.

20:11It doesn't necessarily mean that something bad is happening.

20:14What do we know for sure?

20:15Well, we know that there are a number

20:17of signals that come both through the brain

20:20and through the body--

20:22and more likely both-- in order to control the onset of puberty

20:25in females.

20:26A couple of examples-- the first is a mechanistic one.

20:29We know, for instance, that the entire process

20:33of the ovulatory menstrual cycle is initiated from the brain.

20:36We're going to get into this in a lot

20:37more detail in a few minutes.

20:39But there's a certain number of hormones and neurotransmitters

20:42that are communicated from the brain,

20:45a structure called the hypothalamus,

20:47which roughly sits above the roof of your mouth,

20:49and that communicates with a gland, an endocrine

20:53or hormone-releasing gland called the pituitary gland.

20:56The pituitary gland looks like a stalk that essentially

21:01extends out of the brain.

21:03It's also located not far from the roof of your mouth.

21:06And that has two sort of small marble

21:08or grape-sized protrusions, the anterior pituitary

21:13and the posterior pituitary.

21:15And they release different hormones into the bloodstream.

21:18Puberty is in part controlled by the fact

21:21that, up until puberty, there are

21:24neurons in the hypothalamus that release

21:26a neurotransmitter called GABA, which is inhibitory,

21:28and that prevents the neurons in the hypothalamus

21:32from releasing a very important hormone called

21:36gonadotropin-releasing hormone, or GnRH.

21:39So the first thing I'd really like everyone

21:41to know and commit to memory today is very easy--

21:43GnRH stands for gonadotropin-releasing hormone.

21:46This comes from the brain and will

21:48communicate to the pituitary to release certain hormones.

21:52Prior to puberty, in both males and females,

21:56there are neurons in the brain that are actively suppressing

21:59the neurons that release GnRH.

22:01It's like no puberty, no puberty, no puberty.

22:03You can't have puberty.

22:04You can't have puberty.

22:05And in fact, those cells are releasing this neurotransmitter

22:09called GABA because it's inhibitory.

22:11It prevents the firing of those neurons.

22:13So puberty is actively suppressed up

22:15until a certain point.

22:17It's also actively suppressed, at least in some species and we

22:20think at least partially in humans, by the tonic release--

22:24that means the ongoing release, around the clock--

22:27of a hormone called melatonin.

22:29Later in life-- in fact, after puberty--

22:32melatonin will be secreted only in the dark phase of each night

22:37and around the time that one goes to sleep.

22:39But in children and in particular

22:41in children prior to puberty, melatonin

22:44is released more or less constantly.

22:46Now, melatonin isn't the only source

22:48of suppression of puberty.

22:49It's also these neural mechanisms involving GABA.

22:53But it is certainly a great candidate for one

22:56of the reasons why puberty doesn't generally

22:58tend to happen at, say, age four age five.

23:00That would be very unusual.

23:03Another component of suppression of puberty

23:07is that typically in children they have relatively low body

23:11fat stores.

23:11Why is this important?

23:12Well, we know that one of the things that can trigger

23:15the onset of puberty-- in particular in females--

23:18is that when enough body fat accumulates,

23:22that body fat releases a hormone called leptin,

23:25and that hormone leptin travels in the bloodstream,

23:28across the blood-brain barrier, and goes to the hypothalamus

23:31and can trigger the onset of puberty

23:32by activating the neurons that release

23:35gonadotropin-releasing hormone.

23:37So many people believe that one of the reasons that puberty

23:41is happening earlier and earlier in females

23:43is because of the accumulation of more body fat at younger

23:48ages than was observed 30 or 40 and certainly 100 years ago.

23:52Now, I can already imagine a number of people are thinking,

23:55oh, this must relate to the obesity crisis.

23:58And indeed, there is a crisis of obesity.

23:59Obesity is something that is causing all sorts of problems

24:04with people's health at various levels, brain and body,

24:07and that is far more frequent today

24:09than it was even 20 years ago.

24:11So it is indeed a crisis because it

24:13has enormous detrimental effects for so many aspects

24:16of brain and body health and longevity.

24:20But this whole process of thinking about body fat

24:22signaling leptin to the hypothalamus and the onset

24:24of puberty doesn't necessarily have

24:27to do with the obesity crisis.

24:28It might relate, but it could also relate to, for instance,

24:31improved nutrition, which is allowing body

24:33fat stores to accumulate maybe not to the level of obesity

24:36but to accumulate earlier and at younger ages

24:40in females, which is then causing

24:42earlier puberty in females.

24:44To just highlight how that might be possible,

24:46I want to review some data that talk about the onset of menses,

24:50menstruation-- that is, puberty--

24:52in females according to country and according

24:55to age over the last 100 or more years.

24:59So what are the general trends in terms

25:00of the onset of puberty in females?

25:02Well, that's an easy one to answer.

25:04Over the last 100 years or so, the onset of puberty

25:09has been occurring much earlier with each passing decade.

25:13It's really an incredible set of statistics.

25:17I will provide a link to these data

25:18since I know a number of you are listening and not

25:20just watching on YouTube.

25:22This is from a study in which the onset of puberty

25:25has been analyzed from as early as the 1850s--

25:29in certain countries, there are data on that--

25:31out to the 1970s and in other countries

25:33starting at about 1900, extending out to about 1990.

25:37These are ongoing collections of data.

25:39But just to give you a sense of how the data are falling out

25:42in a couple of different countries,

25:44just to give you a flavor--

25:46but for those of you listening and for those of you watching,

25:50the essence of all of these findings

25:52is that puberty is happening much, much earlier

25:54with each passing decade.

25:56So for instance, in the United States, around 1900 or 1903,

26:02the average age of menarche, the onset of puberty, in females

26:06was about 14 years old, whereas in 1990, the average age is 11.

26:11So that's a pretty significant, we can say,

26:15acceleration of the onset of puberty.

26:17Now, of course, these are averages.

26:19So there will be exceptions.

26:20There's a distribution of data.

26:22Today, still, there will be young females who

26:25will undergo puberty at age 11 or 10 or maybe even 9

26:28and others who will undergo puberty at age 13, 14, maybe

26:31even 16 or 17.

26:33However, if we look at, for instance,

26:36the data from Norway, which dates back quite far-- they

26:38have excellent record-keeping-- to 1850, what we see

26:42is that the average age of the onset of female puberty in 1850

26:46in Norway was 17 years old, whereas in 1970, it's

26:5213 years old.

26:53So this is a dramatic acceleration

26:56of the onset of puberty.

26:57And you see a similar trend in other countries, as well.

26:59So if we were to look, for instance, in the UK,

27:03they have a smaller data set, meaning it only

27:05extends back to about 1940.

27:07But the average age of the onset of puberty in the UK in 1940

27:11was 13 and 1/2 years old.

27:13Again, this is just for females.

27:15And in 1970, it was closer to 13,

27:18with a trend towards declining even further.

27:20Unfortunately, they didn't continue

27:22to collect data out to 2022.

27:24And as a final point, if we were to look at, for instance,

27:27in Germany and Finland, the average onset

27:31of puberty in 1870 was 16 and 1/2 years old.

27:34By 1940, it was down to 13 and 1/2 years old.

27:38So all of these data have borne out over and over again,

27:42regardless of location in the world, which is important,

27:44because when you start to think about the obesity crisis,

27:46you can say, well, that's mainly in developed countries,

27:48believe it or not-- or perhaps not surprisingly.

27:51And maybe it has to do with the obesity crisis.

27:53And yet I don't think we can conclude that at all.

27:56Something is happening, however.

27:58It could be increased body fat stores

28:01due to overeating and obesity.

28:02However, it could also be-- unrelated to obesity,

28:05it could be, for instance, improved

28:07nutrition and the availability of quality nutrition, which

28:11can signal the maturation of the brain

28:13and body mechanisms that trigger the onset of puberty,

28:16ovulatory cycle, and menstruation.

28:18So we want to be very careful about leaping to conclusions

28:21about what these trends mean, but the trends themselves

28:24are very, very apparent.

28:25And as a final point, I should also

28:27mention that there are a number of different behavioral

28:29and psychosocial, as they're called, interactions that

28:32can influence puberty as well.

28:34This has been most strikingly observed in animals.

28:37And so I don't want anyone to be alarmed

28:39or to leap to any great conclusions about the onset

28:42of timing of puberty in humans, but I'd be remiss

28:44if I didn't tell you about a certain result which

28:46shows that if a young female is exposed to the odor--

28:52not necessarily the pheromones.

28:54There's a distinction between odors that we perceive

28:56and pheromones, which are subconscious.

28:59We don't actively perceive, but that can impact our biology,

29:03and pheromones effects in humans are very controversial.

29:05But we know, for instance, that if you take a female animal--

29:08and there's some evidence from humans

29:10that if you take a young prepubertal female

29:13and you expose her to the scent of a reproductively-competent

29:19male for a series of days, but maybe even as short

29:25as a few hours, and she is also not

29:29regularly being exposed to the scent of her father,

29:32that she can undergo puberty earlier.

29:34That's right.

29:35There is something about the odor

29:37and/or pheromones, or perhaps something else, that

29:42occurs when a young prepubertal female has a father that she's

29:47in regular contact with.

29:48He wouldn't necessarily have to live at home but that

29:50is around a lot that his smell is registered

29:54by her biological systems.

29:56That-- I don't want to say protects

29:58because it kind of skews the valence of the conversation,

30:02but that offsets or buffers the otherwise observed effect,

30:08which is that the scent of a reproductively-competent male,

30:11if it's present often enough or perhaps intensely enough,

30:14that it can trigger the onset of puberty in that female.

30:17In other words, the scent of a male that is not the father

30:22and we think also that is not biologically related to her

30:25can trigger earlier onset of puberty.

30:27And that effect can at least be partially buffered

30:32by her being in the presence of the scent

30:36from her biological father.

30:37Now, some of you are probably already leaping

30:40to conclusions about what this means.

30:41Should you not allow your daughter

30:43to be exposed to any males who are

30:45of reproductive age, et cetera?

30:47That's certainly not what I'm saying.

30:48There's a huge number of considerations

30:50that go into that calculation for everybody

30:52and circumstances, et cetera.

30:54But the point is that the odors of individuals, both related--

31:00in particular, closely related-- and non-related individuals,

31:05can shape the neural systems and the hormone systems that

31:10can trigger the onset of puberty or suppress

31:12the onset of puberty.

31:13So whether or not we're talking about onset

31:15of puberty at this age or that age

31:17and whether or not biologically-related male

31:20or non-biologically-related male scents around,

31:22et cetera, the thing I want everyone to know

31:25is that at some point during development,

31:27typically nowadays between the ages of 11 and 15

31:32or so-- again, there's variability there.

31:36The suppression of gonadotropin-releasing hormone

31:39released from the hypothalamus is removed,

31:41and then gonadotropin-releasing hormone

31:44can activate cells within the pituitary.

31:47And if you really want to know, it's

31:48the anterior pituitary in particular.

31:50And then the anterior pituitary gland,

31:53which sits at and kind of bridges the brain and the body

31:57because it allows the release of hormones into the bloodstream,

32:01that anterior pituitary is going to release

32:03two key hormones that everyone should know the name of

32:06and what they do.

32:07And when I say everyone, I mean males and females

32:09need to know about these hormones

32:11because they have an active role in both males and females.

32:14And of course, you should want to know

32:16and should know about the biology of everyone

32:19on the planet, in my opinion, because it tells you

32:21a lot more about humans than if you just

32:23focus on your own biology.

32:24But those two hormones are called

32:26luteinizing hormone, which is abbreviated LH,

32:31and follicle-stimulating hormone, which

32:34is abbreviated FSH.

32:35So the simple picture that you need to have in your mind

32:38is gonadotropin-releasing hormone from the brain,

32:41from the hypothalamus in particular,

32:43is causing the release of luteinizing

32:46hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone, GnRH stimulates

32:50LH, luteinizing hormone, and follicle-stimulating hormone,

32:53FSH.

32:55LH and FSH travel in the blood and can access all the cells

32:59and tissues of the body.

33:00This is one of the incredible things about hormones is that

33:04many hormones-- and LH and FSH are included in this group--

33:08can travel into cells, and they can actually

33:12change the genetic expression of those cells.

33:15They can change which genes are turned on

33:16and which genes are turned off.

33:18And they can also attach to the surface of those cells

33:21and make those cells take on different properties.

33:23So they can mature those cells.

33:24So for instance, a good example of this outside

33:27of the context we've been talking about

33:28is the hormone testosterone can travel to the hair follicle

33:32and can stimulate changes in the genes of the cells of the hair

33:34follicle that can make hair grow.

33:37A different hormone, estrogen, can

33:39travel to the cells of the breast tissue

33:41and activate genes that control enlargement of the cells

33:44of the breast tissue.

33:45Prolactin, a different hormone, can travel to the mammary ducts

33:48and control the production and the secretion of milk.

33:52And in males, that can actually happen, in certain cases,

33:55although it's rare.

33:56But prolactin can also travel to areas of the brain

33:59that control libido, for instance.

34:01And just so you'll never forget it,

34:03males' elevated levels of prolactin

34:05are actually what set the refractory period

34:07after ejaculation and prevent erection

34:09for some period of time.

34:10So you'll never forget prolactin.

34:13The point being that different hormones

34:16have different effects on different cells,

34:17depending on what cells those are.

34:19Estrogen or estradiol is going to have different effects

34:21on the breast tissue than it would on skin,

34:24although as effects on both.

34:25Similarly, when LH and FSH, luteinizing hormone

34:29and follicle-stimulating hormone, travel in the blood

34:32to the gonad and the gonad is an ovary,

34:36it will have a certain set of consequences.

34:39And when luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone

34:42travel in the blood to a gonad and that gonad

34:44happens to be a teste, then it will have a different set

34:47of biological implications.

34:49So let's focus now on what happens when

34:52LH and FSH arrive at the ovary.

34:54And let's assume now that we're talking about a female who

34:59has already undergone puberty, or perhaps we

35:02could even frame this in the context of a female who

35:05is about to undergo puberty.

35:07FSH and LH are now able to be released because she's

35:10undergoing puberty.

35:12But the same set of processes, essentially,

35:14would occur for any point from puberty onward until menopause,

35:19which is the depletion of that vault, that ovarian reserve

35:24of all those immature eggs.

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36:34OK, so we're now going to talk about ovulation

36:36and menstruation, and let's just remember

36:38what this is all about.

36:39This is all about creating the potential for an egg

36:42to be fertilized, and that egg needs

36:44to have half of the chromosomal pairs, so no pairs,

36:48but it's got to have 23 chromosomes just from mom.

36:51And we need to position that egg so

36:53that the egg can be met by the sperm

36:56and that sperm can penetrate that egg

36:59and donate its 23 individual strands of chromosomes

37:04to that egg so that you can bring together the DNA of dad

37:07and the DNA of mom.

37:09So the obligatory menstrual cycle

37:11occurs when luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating

37:16hormone have been released.

37:18And the ovulatory/menstrual cycle--

37:21and here I have to kind of pick what I want to call it.

37:24I guess to be really accurate, we would just call it

37:26the female reproductive cycle, but that includes underneath it

37:30both the menstrual cycle, as it's sometimes called,

37:32and the ovulatory cycle.

37:34So you decide.

37:34I'm going to interchangeably discuss the ovulatory cycle

37:38and the menstrual cycle.

37:39The problem is, when you say menstruation,

37:41people often think about just the period, the shedding

37:43of the uterine lining when fertilization has not occurred.

37:46So if I start saying ovulatory cycle,

37:49just keep in mind I'm referring to the entire thing.

37:52Now, this is probably also a good opportunity

37:54to say that if you heard that the ovulatory/menstrual cycle

37:59is 28 days long, that's true in some cases,

38:02but that's not always true.

38:04It's, on average, 28 days long.

38:07There are some females for which the ovulatory cycle will be

38:11shorter-- it can be as short as 21 days--

38:13and other females for which it will be 35 days long.

38:18Shorter than 21 days and longer than 35

38:20days is rare, although it does occur.

38:23One of the key things when thinking about fertility

38:25is if you talk to OB/GYNs who are focused on fertility, which

38:28I have in anticipation of this episode,

38:30they'll tell you that whether or not

38:33your cycle is 21 days long or 35 days long

38:36is not as much of an issue necessarily unless it's

38:40happening to become much shorter or much longer

38:44in a kind of erratic way.

38:45So if you're somebody who's consistently

38:47had 23 day long cycles and all of a sudden

38:50you're having 30 day long cycles, that's not necessarily

38:53an indication of anything bad.

38:54But if it's 21 days one month and it's 30 days the next month

38:58and it's 17 days the next month or even if it's always

39:01falling within that 21 to 35 day long cycle

39:05but it's very variable from each month or every other month

39:08or so, you probably want to talk to your OB/GYN

39:11because that could indicate a number of different things.

39:13Which things could it indicate?

39:15Well, that will become clear as I spell out

39:17the biology in a bit more detail.

39:19But this idea that the menstrual cycle/ovulatory cycle

39:22is always 28 days, that's just false.

39:24That's just not true.

39:25I should also mention that there is a common misconception that

39:29because the average menstrual cycle is 28 days-- indeed,

39:32the average is 28 days--

39:34and the lunar cycle is 28 days--

39:36and of course, there is a real biology

39:38to support the fact that the lunar

39:39cycle can't, in fact, impact certain aspects

39:42of human behavior.

39:43It does, and we'll talk about lunar cycles

39:45in a future episode.

39:46But there is zero data to support the idea

39:50that the menstrual cycle and the lunar cycle

39:53are linked in any kind of causal way.

39:56Sorry to break it to you.

39:57The lunar cycle and the tidal cycles at the ocean

40:01are definitely linked in ways that are super interesting

40:03related to the tilt of the Earth and the pull of gravity

40:05of different planets, and it's an incredible story

40:07into itself.

40:09But the lunar cycle and the menstrual cycle,

40:11despite having some weak correlation in terms

40:13of their duration or their so-called periodicity--

40:18no pun intended--

40:20well, there's no causal relationship whatsoever

40:22between the lunar cycle and the menstrual cycle.

40:25If any of you are aware of any real data

40:28that conflicts with what I just said,

40:30please put that in the comment section on YouTube.

40:33But this is pretty well established as far as I know.

40:36OK, so we need to bring together the so-called haploid contents,

40:42the 23 individual strands of chromosomes from the egg,

40:45to a place and a position where it could potentially

40:48be fertilized by the male.

40:49So what happens?

40:50Luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone

40:52travel to the ovary.

40:54These hormones are able to access the ovary.

40:56There's a lot of blood supply to the ovary.

40:58And FSH and LH arrive at the ovary.

41:03The ovary has this vault, this ovarian reserve

41:06of immature cells.

41:07They reside within what are called follicles.

41:09The follicles are little spherical packages

41:12that can potentially provide a nice environment for those eggs

41:16to mature.

41:17And when FSH, in particular, arrives at the ovary,

41:23a small number of those follicles

41:25will split off from the reserve, they will exit the vault,

41:30and they will undergo maturation.

41:32And the key player here is follicle-stimulating hormone.

41:37And the first 14 days of the menstrual/ovulatory cycle

41:41is referred to as the follicular phase because

41:44of this relationship between FSH triggering the maturation

41:47of a subset of follicles.

41:49Now, typically in the context of a 28 day or so

41:53ovulatory/menstrual cycle, day one

41:55is designated as the first day of the period,

41:58of the shedding of the uterine lining

42:00from the previous ovulatory menstrual cycle in which

42:04fertilization did not occur.

42:07So day one is when the period initiates.

42:10It is days 1 through 14, approximately--

42:13because here we're just considering

42:14the average of a 28-day cycle, but it could be longer.

42:17It could be shorter.

42:17But the first half of that cycle is the so-called follicular

42:21phase, FSH, has triggered the departure

42:24of a subset of these follicles that contain immature eggs.

42:27And it is triggering the maturation of those eggs.

42:30Luteinizing hormone is also present, but also

42:33at relatively low levels.

42:35And it's during the first half of this ovulatory menstrual

42:37cycle that the main goal is to get those follicles to mature.

42:41So inside of those follicles, the egg is developing.

42:44It's growing.

42:45It's maturing.

42:47And in doing so, it's also making its own hormones.

42:51This, I think, is one of the most elegant aspects

42:54of the ovulatory menstrual cycle that, in a few minutes,

42:57you'll learn about something which still to this day,

42:59even though I've known about this stuff for decades now

43:01because of my training, still just blows my mind that you

43:05have one hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone,

43:07triggering the maturation of some eggs

43:10inside of some follicles and then those follicles themselves

43:12making another hormone that furthers the process

43:17and then soon, as you'll learn, create a hormone to trigger

43:21the second half of the process.

43:22Just a beautiful symphony of expression of different genes

43:26and different hormones to make everything

43:28work as optimally as possible.

43:30So as these different follicles mature, somehow--

43:33and we still don't know exactly how--

43:35one of those follicles containing an egg

43:38gets selected.

43:40It's either because it matures the fastest

43:42or there's something about it that

43:45is still not completely understood

43:48that allows it to be selected.

43:50And all the other follicles that are maturing

43:53degenerate and die.

43:54And they're gone.

43:55They don't go back into the ovarian reserve.

43:57They are now depleted from that bank account

44:01that is the ovarian reserve.

44:03They die off.

44:04But that single egg that, keep in mind,

44:08contains 23 pairs of chromosomes--

44:11we haven't gotten rid of one half of those 23

44:15sets of chromosomes yet.

44:16But that one will continue to mature.

44:18And then, at some point, that egg

44:23will start to undergo a process in which those chromosomes are

44:28pulled apart by little components

44:31within the egg called spindles.

44:33They literally have a physical pulling

44:35of the chromosomes apart.

44:36So now those 23 pairs are no longer attached to one another

44:40at the middle like they were before,

44:41like two beads of strings--

44:44or I should say, 23 short strands

44:47of beads that were at once connected to one another

44:51now are pulled apart so that you have

44:5323 chromosomes on each side, but they're

44:56pulled apart from one another.

44:58So that diploid cell is now starting

45:02to become a cell in which half of the chromosomes,

45:05half of those 23 pairs, are physically

45:08pulled away from the others.

45:10And then the egg actually starts to form its own

45:13what we call an involution of membrane

45:15around those 23 pairs, one set of them, and encapsulates them.

45:20So you sort of got an egg with two parts

45:22where the two sets of chromosomes,

45:24two sets of 23 chromosomes, are now separate

45:26from one another inside of the egg.

45:28And then one of those actually gets ejected from the egg,

45:32and the name of that thing that gets ejected--

45:34it's sort of like a little Hubble pod is how I imagine it,

45:37you know, from Star Wars or from any kind of Space Odyssey movie

45:41where some thing is ready to happen.

45:43A little Hubble pod shoots out of the ship.

45:45Well, that 23 pairs is now ejected from the egg.

45:49It's called the polar body.

45:50And that's going to degenerate.

45:52It's going to go away.

45:53And in doing so, take the egg cell, which was once

45:56diploid-- it had 23 pairs of chromosomes-- and making

45:59it haploid.

46:01And now what you've got, in ideal circumstances,

46:04is a beautifully pristine egg that was selected for

46:07and has 23 single strands of chromosomes, 22 autosomes

46:11and one sex chromosome.

46:12And that sex chromosome is going to be an X chromosome

46:15almost with certainty, because female--

46:19mother-- is creating that egg.

46:22So then the egg that contains just the appropriate 23

46:26single-stranded chromosomes is going

46:29to fuse with the wall of the ovary, and that egg

46:31will be released and will travel into the Fallopian tube.

46:36Now, we'll get back to that egg in a few moments.

46:38But that process, which represents the first half

46:40of the ovulatory menstrual cycle, again,

46:42was triggered by FSH and to some extent luteinizing hormone.

46:45But it is the ongoing maturation of that egg which also causes

46:51the production of estrogen, which allows that whole process

46:55to occur.

46:56And you could say, why?

46:57Well, the answer to the why is a very important

46:59biological principle that we are going

47:01to return to in a number of different contexts today,

47:03both as reference to female and male fertility.

47:08And the principle is a so-called negative feedback.

47:12So when estrogen is present at relatively low levels

47:15in females in the ovary, as it is

47:19during the development of these eggs, some of that estrogen,

47:22of course, is going to exit the ovary.

47:24It's going to go into the bloodstream.

47:26And it's going to travel back to the pituitary.

47:29Now, the pituitary can release things

47:32like follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing

47:34hormone.

47:34But the way I'd like you to think

47:36about the pituitary for sake of feedback loops

47:38is that it's sort of like a thermometer

47:41that you would put into a pool, like a backyard pool, that

47:44is attached to the heater.

47:46And for instance, if you were to put a thermometer into a pool

47:50that you would like to keep at 70 degrees

47:52and the temperature of that pool is 60 degrees,

47:55well, then that thermometer ought

47:57to trigger some sort of mechanism

47:59where the pool would heat up until the temperature

48:01of the pool hit 70 degrees, and then it

48:04should trigger that thermometer to turn off the heating system.

48:06That's kind of a negative feedback

48:08system that would keep the temperature more

48:10or less correct.

48:11That's a lot of the way that the system's related to estrogen

48:14and also testosterone and these different things

48:16like luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone

48:19work as well.

48:20Typically, when the level of a hormone is too high,

48:24then it shuts down the production

48:26of the hormones that would trigger further production

48:28of that hormone.

48:28I know that's a mouthful.

48:29It's a lot to think about.

48:30And some of you are probably thinking, whoa,

48:31I'm getting dizzy now with biology.

48:33But I promise you, you can understand this.

48:35In females, when estrogen is relatively low--

48:38but not zero but is relatively low

48:40during that first follicular half of the ovulatory cycle--

48:43it actually triggers negative feedback on LH and FSH

48:47so that not too much is produced.

48:49But then just prior to ovulation,

48:51the levels of estrogen and the levels of some other hormones

48:54from those eggs--

48:56you have the eggs producing estrogen themselves--

48:59gets high enough that it actually

49:01triggers a positive feedback loop on the pituitary.

49:04So the pituitary is essentially observing

49:07the amount of estrogen in the bloodstream produced

49:09by the ovary, and the amount of estrogen

49:11towards the end of the second half of the menstrual cycle

49:14has increased and triggers a positive feedback loop.

49:18It triggers the pituitary to release more FSH and LH,

49:22and that helps trigger ovulation, that deployment

49:26or the release of that one mature proper selected

49:29egg that's haploid with the 23 individual pairs of chromosomes

49:33into the Fallopian tube.

49:35So let's just back up really quickly and just

49:37kind of summarize what's happened.

49:38Gonadotropin-releasing hormone from the hypothalamus

49:41triggers the release of follicle-stimulating hormone

49:43and luteinizing hormone.

49:44That travels to the ovary-- triggers

49:46the release of a subset of immature follicles

49:50with immature eggs.

49:51Those immature follicles and immature eggs

49:55start to mature, start to grow because

49:58of the presence of follicle-stimulating hormone.

50:00The growth of those eggs themselves increases estrogen.

50:04As the estrogen starts to accumulate in the environment,

50:06some of that travels back to the pituitary.

50:09And when levels of estrogen arriving at the pituitary

50:12are relatively low, the pituitary

50:15says, oh, we don't need to release

50:16any more follicle-stimulating and luteinizing hormone.

50:19However, at some point just prior to ovulation,

50:21enough estrogen has been produced by that one

50:24single selected mature egg and some

50:26of the other follicles around it that were maturing but then

50:29since died off that the estrogen triggers a positive feedback

50:33loop.

50:34The pituitary says, OK, and releases

50:37more follicle-stimulating hormone

50:38and luteinizing hormone.

50:39And bam, the egg, which has the proper genetic components,

50:44sets off out of the ovary and into the Fallopian tube.

50:48So-called ovulation has begun.

50:51That itself, what I just described,

50:53constitutes the first half of the ovulatory/menstrual cycle,

50:56which we call the follicular phase.

50:58And it's marked by the presence of FSH and some other things,

51:01but we can really think about it as marked by FSH

51:04from the pituitary and by estrogen, or estradiol, made

51:08within the ovary.

51:10Then comes the second half of the ovulatory/menstrual cycle,

51:13which I personally think is one of the coolest mechanisms

51:16in all of biology, which is that--

51:19remember the follicle that housed

51:21that one egg that was the selected

51:23egg that became the mature egg?

51:24And that follicle, which no longer contains the egg

51:27because the egg took off and ovulated,

51:29is called the corpus luteum.

51:30And the corpus luteum starts making three hormones, which

51:34include estradiol, I think called inhibin,

51:36but the most important hormone, the one that you really

51:38need to know about, is that it starts

51:40producing very high levels of progesterone.

51:44Progesterone levels start to increase

51:47about the time of ovulation, although just

51:50prior to ovulation.

51:51And over the next second half of the ovulatory cycle--

51:56so about 14 days if it's a 28-day cycle,

51:57a little bit longer or a little bit shorter,

51:59depending on the length of cycle.

52:01Levels of progesterone in the second half

52:03of the ovulatory cycle are going to increase by 1,400 fold

52:08compared to what they were in the first half

52:10of the ovulatory cycle.

52:12So again, if we were to characterize

52:14the menstrual/ovulatory cycle in broad strokes, what we would

52:18say is that FSH and estrogen mark

52:22the initial part the first half, the so-called follicular phase,

52:26and that the estrogen and FSH set in motion ovulation,

52:30and they prime the system for the production

52:33of a corpus luteum, which produces progesterone.

52:36And the second half of all of this

52:38is called the luteal phase.

52:41The second half of the ovulatory/menstrual cycle

52:43is the luteal phase because of corpus luteum,

52:46this otherwise discarded tissue that produces progesterone.

52:50What does progesterone do?

52:52Well, progesterone impacts the uterine lining,

52:56so-called endometrium or the lining,

52:58the mucous lining of the uterus where that egg that's ovulated

53:03is potentially going to implant if it's fertilized.

53:06And so in a kind of perfect way-- or I

53:09should say, in a seemingly perfect way--

53:12the egg is off on its way.

53:13It might get fertilized.

53:15The remnants of the compartment that let go of that egg

53:19produce a hormone that then prepares the endometrial lining

53:23of the uterus for the potential implantation of that egg.

53:27It's basically making the bed for the fertilized egg

53:30to potentially embed in, to implant in, and then

53:33achieve all the nourishment that it needs to grow, eventually,

53:37into a healthy embryo and child.

53:39Just an amazing set of biological mechanisms,

53:42if you ask me, because what you're observing here

53:45is an incredible economy of function

53:48whereby the same cellular components that

53:50are producing the egg, well, some of them

53:52are being discarded, but they're not being

53:54discarded without purpose.

53:56They're being discarded in a way that

53:57triggers the onset of hormonal expression

54:01that then prepares the fertilized

54:02egg to be in an enriched environment in which it

54:05can thrive.

54:06Now, I realize that was a lot of detail.

54:07But we have a couple of key themes.

54:09We've got the hypothalamus, GnRH.

54:11We've got the pituitary with LH and FSH,

54:14and those hormones travel to the ovary.

54:16The ovary has eggs in a vault, basically immature eggs

54:20in a vault. Some of those are activated by the presence

54:24of FSH and LH each month.

54:26And one of those eggs will be selected and will ovulate.

54:30The remnants of the follicle and egg

54:32that are not selected, the chromosomes that you don't need

54:35disappear in the polar body.

54:36And the corpus luteum gives rise to progesterone and sets

54:40in motion the second half of the ovulatory menstrual cycle,

54:44which is the luteal phase, which is essentially

54:46the potential for that fertilized egg

54:48to embed in a nice, nourishing environment.

54:50And of course, we should all be thinking,

54:52if the egg is fertilized and then it lays down

54:54in the nice, comfy uterine lining

54:56that's been prepared by progesterone

54:59in the corpus luteum, well, then everything's fine and good.

55:02But what if fertilization doesn't occur?

55:04Well, we all know what happens if fertilization doesn't occur.

55:07If fertilization does not occur for whatever reason,

55:09that uterine lining is going to shed.

55:12And that's actually what's referred to as the period.

55:14It's the actual removal--

55:17or the departure, rather--

55:19of the thickened endometrium lining

55:23of the uterus when fertilization has not occurred.

55:28And of course, if that happens, we

55:30need another ovulatory menstrual cycle.

55:32So how does that happen?

55:33Well, the hormone inhibin is also made by the corpus luteum

55:36and doesn't go quite as high as the hormone progesterone.

55:41But it kind of tracks that increase in progesterone

55:44that occurs in the second half of the ovulatory cycle.

55:47But then, if fertilization does not occur,

55:50inhibin levels start to drop.

55:53And what I haven't told you is what inhibin does.

55:55Inhibin, in concert with other hormones like estrogen,

55:59feed back to the hypothalamus and prevent the further release

56:03of follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone.

56:05If you have an egg that gets fertilized and can implant,

56:09well, then you don't want more eggs to mature.

56:13You want to hold on to the ones in the vault.

56:15You don't want them to mature.

56:17And hormones like inhibin and, again,

56:19working with other hormones are going

56:21to prevent the secretion of things like FSH and LH.

56:24Now, typically, people are not getting pregnant every month.

56:27In fact, that's not possible.

56:29And part of the reason it's not possible

56:31is that if the fertilized egg implants,

56:33there are a number of different hormone cascades

56:35that shut down the production of things like GnRH, FSH, and LH

56:39in ways that prevent further maturation of follicles

56:42and a follicular phase.

56:43But in the instance where fertilization doesn't occur

56:47and menstruation occurs--

56:49and I should mention that the duration of menstruation,

56:52the actual bleeding, typically is anywhere from one

56:54to five days.

56:55The, quote, unquote, "heaviness,"

56:57the lightness or heaviness of that bleeding will depend on--

57:01you guessed it-- the amount of progesterone that is secreted

57:04from the corpus luteum.

57:05That's one of the key players there.

57:08And if menstruation occurs, well, then inhibin levels

57:14also drop.

57:14Progesterone levels also drop.

57:16And when that occurs, there's a positive feedback

57:20signal up at the level of the pituitary.

57:23The pituitary literally can register

57:25how much inhibin and progesterone and estrogen

57:28is present in the bloodstream.

57:29And if those levels are sufficiently low, well,

57:32then GnRH gets secreted again, FSH gets secreted again,

57:36and LH gets secreted again.

57:39And the first half the follicular phase

57:41of the menstrual cycle initiates all over again.

57:44It's hard to overstate how beautifully orchestrated

57:46this entire system is--

57:48The number of feedback loops and feed-forward loops.

57:51I think if you can just generally understand

57:53that the first half of the menstrual/ovulatory cycle

57:56is marked by the maturation of the follicles and FSH

57:58and that the second half is marked

58:00by the accumulation of progesterone

58:03and the thickening of the uterine lining

58:04should fertilization and implantation occur,

58:07I think that you will certainly understand

58:09the female reproductive cycle better than most people

58:12out there.

58:13It will also help you understand a number of things

58:15that are sometimes associated with the female reproductive

58:17cycle.

58:18For instance, there are data showing

58:19that, in many, not all, but in many women, in the four

58:24to five days prior to ovulation, there is

58:27a dramatic increase in libido.

58:28That dramatic increase in libido is

58:30triggered by a number of things, but some of those things

58:33include the spike in FSH that occurs,

58:36the spike in LH that occurs, and some associated increases

58:40in androgens, things like DHEA and testosterone,

58:44which, just as in males can be related to libido,

58:47in females trigger libido.

58:49You can imagine why this would be an effective mechanism

58:51to have in place in females if the goal, as it were, certainly

58:57of the egg, perhaps not of the woman as a whole,

59:00but if the goal is to fertilize the egg--

59:04so increases in libido just prior

59:05to the onset of ovulation.

59:08There's also been a lot of discussion and interest

59:11and, frankly, data exploring the malaise

59:14that it can occur at certain portions

59:16of the menstrual cycle.

59:18And there's a lot of misconception about this.

59:21A lot of people have focused on the malaise that can occur

59:25around the time of bleeding.

59:27But there are actually stronger data

59:30to support the fact that some, again, some, not all women

59:34experience a kind of malaise sometimes associated

59:36with anxiety, sometimes not, that's associated with the mid

59:40to second half of the luteal phase

59:44of the ovulatory/menstrual cycle.

59:47And that, despite what people commonly think,

59:51is not associated with elevated levels of estrogen.

59:53It's actually associated with the depletion in estrogen

59:56levels that can occur during certain portions

59:59of that second half of the luteal phase

1:00:01of the menstrual cycle.

1:00:03So again, this is highly variable.

1:00:06For some people, they might not experience

1:00:08any malaise at any point during their menstrual cycle.

1:00:11Other individuals also, for instance,

1:00:13might not experience any variation in their libido

1:00:15at any point during their menstrual cycle.

1:00:17Again, highly variable, and yet there

1:00:18are some statistically significant trends

1:00:21that have been observed that tracked

1:00:22very specific hormonal components

1:00:24within the menstrual cycle.

1:00:25Again, this will all be very contextual.

1:00:28And of course, this can play out in a number of different ways.

1:00:31So for instance, some women experience very heightened

1:00:33levels of sensitivity to caffeine

1:00:35at certain portions of their menstrual cycle.

1:00:37Other women experience more cramping than others

1:00:40at different portions of their menstrual cycle.

1:00:42Tremendous variation from individual to individual.

1:00:46One of the--

1:00:47I view it as an advantage.

1:00:48But one of the things that many females can really do

1:00:53and experience because they have cycles that occur every month

1:00:56that are fairly dramatic in terms of their levels

1:00:58of hormones-- so for instance, a more than 1,000-fold increase

1:01:02in progesterone during the luteal phase of the menstrual

1:01:05cycle and, I should also mention,

1:01:07a 200-fold increase in estrogen during the period just prior

1:01:10to ovulation.

1:01:11That's why they always say estrogen primes progesterone.

1:01:14That's what you learn in kind of basic endocrinology

1:01:16when you're learning the menstrual cycle.

1:01:17Estrogen in the first half of the menstrual cycle

1:01:19primes progesterone in the second half

1:01:21of the ovulatory/menstrual cycle.

1:01:24Well, those estrogen increases just prior to ovulation

1:01:27are in part responsible for the increases in libido.

1:01:32But it's also the presence of increased androgen just prior

1:01:35to ovulation.

1:01:36So there's a lot of complex interplay.

1:01:38I think what we will do is we will reserve

1:01:40the discussion about libido, per se,

1:01:43and some of the other aspects related

1:01:44to sexual differentiation that we

1:01:46were talking about earlier for a future episode.

1:01:48But hopefully now you have in mind

1:01:49what the ovulatory/menstrual cycle is.

1:01:51It is a signal from the brain, from the hypothalamus,

1:01:55which then triggers a signal from the pituitary,

1:01:57an endocrine gland, which then signals the release of hormones

1:02:02that travel to the ovary and that control

1:02:04two things, maturation of eggs and the identification of one

1:02:08egg in particular and then preparation of the milieu,

1:02:13the environment in which that fertilized egg could

1:02:15potentially land and mature into a healthy embryo and child.

1:02:21So if you have that framed up in your mind

1:02:23and even if you just extracted maybe 10% to 15%

1:02:26of the hormones and different aspects

1:02:27that I described up until now, I would consider you far more

1:02:32knowledgeable about this entire process than 99% of people

1:02:36out there, certainly not the OB/GYNs and urologists,

1:02:39but the 99% of individuals out there.

1:02:42It also frames up for us the second half

1:02:45of this whole story about fertility and fertilization,

1:02:47which is the generation of sperm and how the sperm eventually

1:02:52arrive at the egg and how certain sperm are selected

1:02:56to potentially fertilize that egg,

1:02:58whereas others never really stand a chance.

1:03:01So next we're going to talk about sperm.

1:03:03We're going to talk about what sperm are,

1:03:04where they are generated, and how they are generated,

1:03:06and how they need to travel both within the male

1:03:09and within the female in order to allow fertilization

1:03:12to potentially occur.

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1:04:18So we've covered the ovulatory cycle in females.

1:04:21And I confess, it was a lot of information

1:04:24with a lot of biological nomenclature.

1:04:26But I promise you that many of those same themes

1:04:29and indeed the same names and nomenclature

1:04:31will show up in the discussion that we're

1:04:33going to have now, which is about the generation of sperm.

1:04:36Now, sperm are similar to eggs in the sense

1:04:40that they are part of the germline.

1:04:41They are these protected cells, protected in the sense

1:04:44that the activities of an individual

1:04:47are not going to change the genetic makeup of those cells.

1:04:52Now, again, there are instances in which

1:04:54mutagens, such as chemicals, could disrupt

1:04:57the genomes of the germ cells in males, just

1:05:00as it could in females.

1:05:01But in general, the activities, the things

1:05:04that we do, the experiences we have,

1:05:06doesn't tend to change the genome of those cells.

1:05:09However, there are a lot of lifestyle factors--

1:05:11dos and don'ts, nutrition and supplements and prescription

1:05:13drugs, et cetera-- that can indeed modify the quality

1:05:17of the sperm.

1:05:18And we'll talk about what sperm quality means.

1:05:20But the point is that the sperm cell, much like the egg cell,

1:05:27are both germline cells.

1:05:28They are not like somatic cells.

1:05:30They are unique populations.

1:05:31And let's just remember what the job of the sperm cell is.

1:05:34The job of the sperm cell is to deliver the genetic material

1:05:38from the father and to do that in the form of a haploid cell.

1:05:42So that means 23 chromosomes, 22 autosomes,

1:05:47one so-called sex chromosome--

1:05:50again, not sex the verb, at least not in this case.

1:05:52Sex, the verb, is a discussion we're

1:05:54going to have in a few minutes, but sex the noun.

1:05:57The sex chromosome can either be an X chromosome or a Y

1:06:00chromosome.

1:06:01So 22 autosomes and then one sex chromosome

1:06:04is going to be contained within the sperm

1:06:06because it's a haploid cell, not a diploid cell.

1:06:09Remember, the egg was diploid, then it became haploid.

1:06:11The sperm cells are cells that are

1:06:14created through the division of other cells.

1:06:16But after that division occurs through a process called

1:06:18meiosis, the sperm cell is going to contain 23 chromosomes,

1:06:24consisting of 22 autosomes and one sex chromosome.

1:06:27And the sperm that manages to deposit its DNA contents

1:06:32into the egg, to fertilize the egg,

1:06:34will either have an X sex chromosome or a Y sex

1:06:38chromosome.

1:06:39And the Y sex chromosome has a number

1:06:41of different genes on that chromosome that

1:06:44will suppress, for instance, the development

1:06:46of the female reproductive axis.

1:06:49One good example would be the Müllerian-inhibiting hormone,

1:06:52or MIH.

1:06:53The gene for Müllerian-inhibiting hormone,

1:06:55which is a hormone that prevents the formation of the Müllerian

1:06:58ducts, which is part of the female reproductive structure,

1:07:02well, that gene controls the prevention of the development

1:07:07of the female genitalia and in doing so promotes

1:07:12the development of the male genitalia.

1:07:13And there are other examples of genes

1:07:15that are on the Y chromosome that give you

1:07:16a what we call male phenotype.

1:07:19You have genotype and phenotype.

1:07:20By the way, in case you haven't heard this in a while

1:07:22from your high school biology--

1:07:24or if you never heard it, no big deal--

1:07:25karyotype is the complement of chromosome--

1:07:29XX or XY.

1:07:30And there are individuals out there

1:07:31that are XXY or XYY, a discussion for our episode

1:07:35on sex differentiation.

1:07:36That's karyotype with a K.

1:07:38Then there's genotype, which are the genes that you have.

1:07:41And then there's phenotype, spelled P-H-E-N-O-T-Y-P-E,

1:07:46phenotype.

1:07:47And the phenotype is how the genes,

1:07:51which then code for RNA, which code for protein,

1:07:54how those are expressed in terms of things like eye color.

1:07:57So eye color is a phenotype.

1:07:58Height is a phenotype.

1:07:59Hair color is a phenotype.

1:08:00So you have karyotype, genotype, and phenotype.

1:08:02Well, what we need to do is we need to bring together

1:08:05that sperm, which is haploidd it contains those 23

1:08:08chromosomal strandes--

1:08:10with either an X or a Y. Sex chromosome

1:08:13is the 23rd chromosome.

1:08:14We need to get that cell to the egg.

1:08:17And so when we talk about spermatogenesis, of course,

1:08:21we are talking about the generation of sperm cells.

1:08:24But what we're really talking about is the generation

1:08:26of cells whose job is to deliver the genetic material from dad

1:08:30to the egg within the female in a way that increases

1:08:35the probability that not only will that egg be fertilized

1:08:38but that it will progress in a healthy way with each set

1:08:42of chromosomes from mom and from dad--

1:08:44each set of 23 chromosomes, that is--

1:08:47will progress in a healthy way, will implant in a healthy way,

1:08:51and will maintain and grow in a healthy way to a healthy embryo

1:08:56and child and eventually adult. That's the job of the sperm.

1:09:01So as we talk about spermatogenesis,

1:09:03let's just remember that and why they're there

1:09:06in the first place.

1:09:06Now, a few things about sperm that are interesting,

1:09:09besides the fact that they're haploid

1:09:11and besides the fact that, as you all know, they swim.

1:09:14They have a head and a tail.

1:09:15They actually have a head, a mid region, and a tail,

1:09:17and that mid region turns out to be very important.

1:09:19It's something we'll come back to again and again.

1:09:21That mid region is really key for the ability for sperm

1:09:24to engage in forward progression to swim forward.

1:09:27It involves the activity of mitochondria,

1:09:30which are involved in generation of ATP, which

1:09:33is involved in all aspects of energy and all cells.

1:09:36But let's just remember that the sperm are swimming cells.

1:09:40And in order to create a really good swimmer

1:09:43or set of swimmers, you need a couple of things.

1:09:45First of all, within the testes is where the sperm develop.

1:09:49And unlike in females and unlike in the ovary,

1:09:53there's no vault of sperm.

1:09:55The sperm are continually being generated.

1:09:57It takes about 60 days for sperm to be

1:10:00born from their parent cells--

1:10:02because cells actually give rise to other cells,

1:10:04that's the it works-- to be born from their parent cells

1:10:06and then matured to the point where they

1:10:08can be a really good swimmer.

1:10:09Now, that doesn't mean that a bunch of sperm

1:10:13are made on day one, and then 60 days later, all those sperm

1:10:17are deployed in the form of ejaculate,

1:10:19and then the cycle starts over again.

1:10:21So it's a little different than the ovulatory menstrual cycle.

1:10:23Rather, at any given point in time-- like right now,

1:10:26if you have testes, you have some sperm in your testes that

1:10:29are immature and cannot swim, cannot deliver those contents

1:10:35to--

1:10:35those genetic contents, rather-- to the female egg.

1:10:38And you have some sperm that are mature,

1:10:40and you very likely have some sperm that are so mature

1:10:43that they are dying off or that they're dead.

1:10:46Almost certainly, also, regardless of your age,

1:10:48you have some sperm that are healthier than others, that are

1:10:51better swimmers than others.

1:10:53This is just the way the system works.

1:10:56Now, the process of spermatogenesis

1:10:59involves a couple of things, but a lot of the players

1:11:01are the same as the process of developing

1:11:03the so-called oocyte, the immature egg.

1:11:08We've got GnRH from the hypothalamus.

1:11:10That's going to be a player.

1:11:11We have FSH, follicle-stimulating hormone,

1:11:13although the name's a little bit of a misnomer in the context

1:11:16of spermatogenesis, because in the context of spermatogenesis,

1:11:19there is no follicle.

1:11:20What we're really talking about is

1:11:21FSH for stimulating the maturation of the sperm cell,

1:11:26so not egg follicle but sperm cell.

1:11:28But we still have GnRH, FSH, LH, and rather

1:11:32than the ovary being the target of those hormones,

1:11:34it's going to be the testes.

1:11:36So most everybody should know that the testes and the ovaries

1:11:40are the so-called gonads.

1:11:42The testes, of course, reside outside of the body.

1:11:46There are instances where the testes fail

1:11:49to descend during development.

1:11:50Certainly, if the testes don't descend

1:11:52on time, that's something that doctors need to be made aware

1:11:55of, the pediatrician should be made aware of,

1:11:56because that can prevent fertility.

1:12:00Why would that be?

1:12:01Well, it turns out that the testes

1:12:03reside outside the body in the scrotum

1:12:05because the temperature conditions

1:12:08under which spermatogenesis can occur

1:12:11and under which healthy sperm can be maintained

1:12:14are very restricted and is approximately 2 degrees cooler

1:12:20than the rest of the body.

1:12:21This is very important.

1:12:23I think this is something that used to be discussed a lot more

1:12:26but isn't discussed so much these days.

1:12:28But keeping the testes cool enough--

1:12:31doesn't necessarily mean keeping them cold, although there

1:12:33is a place for using cold exposure,

1:12:35deliberate cold exposure, to improve

1:12:37sperm quality and number and perhaps even

1:12:39testosterone levels.

1:12:40We'll talk about that a little bit later.

1:12:42But keeping the testes about 2 degrees

1:12:46cooler than the rest of the body is absolutely key.

1:12:49If sperm get too hot, they die.

1:12:51And if spermatocytes, the cells that give rise to sperm,

1:12:54get too warm, well, then oftentimes the sperm

1:12:57that develop are not healthy, not healthy

1:13:00in a number of ways.

1:13:01Either they can't engage in fast forward progression--

1:13:04that is, swimming-- or they will lack the ability

1:13:08to deposit their DNA contents within the egg.

1:13:11So again, whatever is contained in the ejaculate

1:13:14is going to be a mixture of different sperm qualities.

1:13:16And sperm of different ages will impact the quality, but also

1:13:20the temperature under which those sperm developed is

1:13:25going to impact their quality.

1:13:26And so we're going to get into tools a little bit

1:13:29later, as I mentioned, but just to give you a simple takeaway.

1:13:32If you are hoping to conceive in the next 90 days--

1:13:36the spermatogenesis cycle take 60 days,

1:13:38but then the sperm actually have to migrate from the testicle

1:13:41into the so-called epididymis, which is a related structure,

1:13:45and then into the vas deferens and then

1:13:47into the urethra, where it can be part of the ejaculate.

1:13:49In order for sperm to do all that properly,

1:13:53undergo that maturation and then exit in ejaculate in a way

1:13:56that's healthy or that the sperm is healthy,

1:13:59if you plan to conceive children or to try and conceive children

1:14:03in the next 90 days, you definitely want to avoid

1:14:06exposing your testicles-- that is, your scrotum--

1:14:10to elevated temperatures.

1:14:13So that means definitely avoiding hot tubs,

1:14:16definitely avoiding hot baths.

1:14:17Now, a brief hot bath or hot tub or hot shower

1:14:19isn't going to be a problem, although if you're

1:14:22really interested in conceiving, I would avoid hot tubs

1:14:24and hot baths as much as possible.

1:14:27Hot showers are probably fine.

1:14:29But if you're going to go into a sauna, for instance,

1:14:32you might want to rethink that decision.

1:14:33And if you do decide to, you almost certainly

1:14:35would want to bring a cold pack in that you could-- well,

1:14:39hopefully put some material between the cold pack

1:14:41and the scrotum so you don't get a cold burn.

1:14:43But put something there, but keep the scrotal tissue cool.

1:14:48Keep it cold to cool because heat exposure can really

1:14:52mutate and disrupt the developing sperm,

1:14:55and it can kill sperm.

1:14:57And so, again, that would be for an entire 90 days

1:15:00leading up to your attempts to conceive.

1:15:03Again, we'll get into more tools later, but a number of people

1:15:05also have probably heard of the boxers versus briefs

1:15:09controversy, I guess it is, or whether or not people call

1:15:13it going commando with no underwear of any kind-- boxers,

1:15:18briefs, briefs, or otherwise rather.

1:15:20It turns out that the data on that point to the fact

1:15:23that there isn't really a big difference in terms of sperm

1:15:25quality if people wear boxers or briefs

1:15:28or don't wear anything under their jeans or shorts at all.

1:15:33The scrotum has the ability to move the testicles far enough

1:15:37away from the body in order to achieve lower

1:15:39temperatures if it needs to.

1:15:40It achieves that through a muscle

1:15:42called the cremaster muscle, which

1:15:43is a really interesting muscle, believe it or not.

1:15:46I was reading up on the biology of the cremaster

1:15:48muscle, something I never thought

1:15:49I'd spend too much time on but that I ended up spending far

1:15:51too much time reading up about.

1:15:53And it's really fascinating.

1:15:54What you have is a muscle that is a smooth muscle

1:15:57tissue, unlike skeletal muscle, which is striated muscle,

1:16:01that is temperature dependent.

1:16:03So it has certain nerve endings, and it has certain receptors

1:16:06on it that allow it to respond to local temperature

1:16:09and then to relax in order to essentially let

1:16:13the testicles to descend further from the body or to contract

1:16:16and bring the testicles closer to the body

1:16:17in order to try and maintain the optimal temperature range.

1:16:20And it turns out the cremaster muscle can achieve that

1:16:23whether or not people are wearing boxers or briefs.

1:16:25Although it stands to reason that any kind of--

1:16:29there's no other name for it-- undergarments-- you know,

1:16:31I don't know why that word just seems kind of antiquated--

1:16:33but undergarment that allows some movement of the scrotum

1:16:37and the testicles should be sufficient to allow

1:16:39these temperature variations to occur and keep things in range.

1:16:44That said, a little bit later, we'll go into some detail,

1:16:47really--

1:16:47because it's important-- as to why,

1:16:50for instance, if you are somebody who has big thighs,

1:16:52believe it or not, that it actually

1:16:53can lower sperm count substantially, whether or not

1:16:56the big thighs occur because you're very muscular

1:16:58or the big thighs occur because you are overweight.

1:17:00It can increase the temperature.

1:17:02If you're sitting a lot, increases

1:17:04scrotal temperature, for sure.

1:17:05And there are some other things that can increase scrotal

1:17:08temperature, seat heaters in cars, for instance--

1:17:11terrible idea, just terrible idea if you're hoping

1:17:14to conceive in the near future--

1:17:16and again, hot tub, things of that sort.

1:17:20So temperature modulation of spermatogenesis and sperm

1:17:24quality and function is key.

1:17:26That relates a little bit more to tools.

1:17:27But what happens?

1:17:28How does the actual sperm develop?

1:17:31Well, contained within the testicle,

1:17:33you have the cells, the so-called spermatogonia,

1:17:36which differentiate into so-called spermatocytes.

1:17:38You don't have to remember all this.

1:17:40And the spermatocytes undergo this process of meiosis.

1:17:43Meiosis is a form of cell division, which

1:17:45reduces the chromosome number to those 23 individual strands as

1:17:49opposed to pairs.

1:17:51So it makes them haploid as opposed to diploid.

1:17:53Very, very important for reasons that we talked about earlier.

1:17:56And the meiosis process in these primordial sperm cells,

1:18:00these immature sperm cells, is similar to the meiosis process

1:18:04that occurs in eggs when the chromosomes segregate in

1:18:07that it involves these spindle-like structures

1:18:10within the cell.

1:18:11Now, why do I keep bringing up the spindles?

1:18:12Well, it turns out that the function

1:18:14of the spindle in the egg and the sperm

1:18:16is heavily dependent on mitochondrial function.

1:18:19And later when we get into tools for improving egg and sperm

1:18:22quality, you're going to hear about a lot of tools

1:18:24for improving mitochondria.

1:18:25And it's not just because the mitochondria

1:18:27are involved in energy-demanding aspects of cell biology.

1:18:31But it's also because the mitochondria in this context

1:18:34are very, very important for the removal of or the separation

1:18:39of one set of chromosomes to give you

1:18:41these two sets of haploid cells, the egg and the sperm.

1:18:44And this is so important because many failures at fertilization,

1:18:49many failures at implantation, many, many miscarriages,

1:18:53and many birth defects that do survive after birth that

1:18:57are very detrimental, such as trisomies and things like that,

1:19:01occur because the spindles don't effectively pull apart

1:19:05the chromosomes in typically the egg,

1:19:08but it can also occur in the sperm.

1:19:10So the spindles and the fact that mitochondria

1:19:12are rich on the spindle are very important for generating

1:19:15these haploid sperm-- again, 23 individual strands

1:19:17of chromosomes.

1:19:19That's occurring inside of the testes.

1:19:23So there's not as much long-distance migration

1:19:25of the spermatocytes and the sperm cells

1:19:29as there is the egg just when you

1:19:31think about the overall architecture of the uterus

1:19:33and the Fallopian tubes compared to the testicles,

1:19:35but there's still a lot of movement.

1:19:36So within the testicle, if you were

1:19:38to look at the testicle in cross-section--

1:19:40and I prefer to call it that rather than cut

1:19:42the testicle in half.

1:19:43Any time you talk about anatomy, you actually

1:19:44talk about slicing things.

1:19:45That's what you would do with a cadaver is what I teach

1:19:48and we do in my laboratory and, frankly,

1:19:52in biological laboratories all over the place.

1:19:54But when you talk about it, you talk about if you were to take

1:19:56a visual cross-section through the testicle,

1:19:58what you would find is that there are a lot of different

1:20:01little tubes, a lot of ducts, D-U-C-T-S, ducts.

1:20:05Those are pathways.

1:20:06And the main ducts that are important for this discussion

1:20:10are called the seminiferous tubules.

1:20:13So it's a mesh-like or network structure

1:20:16of tubes in the testicle.

1:20:18And the immature sperm sit on a little compartment

1:20:23along the edge of those tubes.

1:20:24And as they mature, they move towards the center

1:20:27of those tubes.

1:20:27And then when they are mature enough,

1:20:29those sperm cells actually drop into the hollow of the tube,

1:20:33and then can travel through those tubes

1:20:35to a structure that's along the side of the testicle called

1:20:40the epididymis.

1:20:42The epididymis, again, is a series of ducts.

1:20:45And then the epididymis converges with something

1:20:47called the vas deferens.

1:20:49I think in high school, we all remember this

1:20:51by thinking about it's the vast difference.

1:20:53I don't know who came up with that.

1:20:55I think it was a young girl sitting

1:20:57to the left of me that was like, oh, it's

1:20:58like the vast difference.

1:20:59I never forgot that.

1:21:00I don't know.

1:21:00Maybe it was the topic matter.

1:21:01Maybe it was her.

1:21:02Maybe it was some combination of the two.

1:21:03But in any case, the sperm go from the seminiferous

1:21:05tubules to the epididymis and then

1:21:09to the vas deferens and then are contained in the ejaculate,

1:21:12along with seminal fluid.

1:21:14Now, the seminal fluid is the carrier fluid

1:21:18for the sperm themselves.

1:21:21This is important because it turns out

1:21:23that a lot of things that can both negatively or positively

1:21:26impact the quality of the sperm relates not just

1:21:29to the sperm cells themselves and the temperature

1:21:31of the environment that they were matured in,

1:21:35but also to the semen quality.

1:21:38For instance, if you are a heavy drinker, if you are a smoker,

1:21:43or if you are a regular user of cannabis,

1:21:47especially if you smoke cannabis or vape cannabis,

1:21:51you create a lot of reactive oxygen species

1:21:54that disrupt the chemistry of the seminal fluid, which

1:21:57disrupts the sperm cells.

1:21:59So it's not a direct action always on the sperm cell

1:22:01itself, although it can be.

1:22:02So for instance, in the form of smoked tobacco or cannabis,

1:22:07there are a lot of carcinogens and mutagens

1:22:09that actually mutate the DNA, can cause DNA fragmentation,

1:22:12and debilitate sperm.

1:22:13But there are also a lot of things created by smoking

1:22:17in particular, regardless of what's being smoked,

1:22:20that can create elevated reactive oxygen species

1:22:24and disrupt the seminal fluid that the sperm are contained

1:22:28in in the so-called ejaculate, the semen.

1:22:31Now, this will also become a relevant conversation later

1:22:35when we briefly talk about vasectomies.

1:22:37Vasectomies are literally a cutting

1:22:41of the vas deferens, which leads to a situation,

1:22:45provided the surgery was done correctly,

1:22:46where men can still achieve all the other aspects

1:22:50of intercourse.

1:22:51They can still achieve erection.

1:22:53They can still achieve orgasm.

1:22:54They can still ejaculate.

1:22:57But when they ejaculate, the seminal fluid is released,

1:23:00but there are no sperm contained within the seminal fluid.

1:23:02And it turns out that vasectomies

1:23:04are a very effective form of birth control.

1:23:07And they always check to see if zero sperm

1:23:09and confirm that zero sperm are being

1:23:11released in the ejaculate.

1:23:12They are reversible.

1:23:13And that is, vasectomies are reversible, but not always.

1:23:17There are a subset of cases where it's not reversible,

1:23:19in which case if people still want to have children,

1:23:22you have to go in and actually surgically extract sperm

1:23:25from the testicles.

1:23:26But it's a process in which the vas deferens is altered

1:23:32or severed in a way that the sperm can't actually

1:23:34exit the testicle.

1:23:35They can get into the epididymis, usually,

1:23:37but not into the vas deferens and so on and so forth.

1:23:41So if you've ever wondered what a vasectomy is,

1:23:43that's what a vasectomy is.

1:23:44And I mentioned vasectomy now because it illustrates

1:23:48the difference between the seminal fluid, the semen,

1:23:51and the sperm that the semen contain.

1:23:54So 60 days to generate the sperm, another two weeks

1:23:59or so for the sperm to travel through the various ducts

1:24:02to the point where they can be contained in the ejaculate.

1:24:05Let's talk about the sperm cells themselves.

1:24:07The sperm cells, again, have these 23 pairs

1:24:12of single-strand chromosomes.

1:24:13They're haploid.

1:24:14They have either an X or a Y sex chromosome

1:24:16as the 23rd so-called sex chromosome.

1:24:19And as we all know, they have a head.

1:24:21The head tends to be oval in most cases.

1:24:24The head contains very important enzymes and proteins

1:24:27that are designed to fuse with the much larger egg

1:24:30and to actually take the membrane of the sperm cell

1:24:33and combine to actually mesh with the egg cell's membrane

1:24:40and then deliver the genetic contents to the egg cell,

1:24:44in other words, to fertilize the egg cell.

1:24:46Now, just behind the head is a region called the mid region.

1:24:50That mid region is a slightly thickened region.

1:24:54And here, of course, I'm talking about healthy sperm cell

1:24:57morphology.

1:24:57Morphology simply means shape.

1:24:59A mid region-- that mid region has a bunch

1:25:02of things related to cell motility

1:25:04and to the forward progression of the cells.

1:25:07First of all, it is chock a block full of mitochondria.

1:25:10In fact, if you were to look just

1:25:11behind the head of the sperm, what you'd see

1:25:14is that it is completely surrounded by mitochondria.

1:25:18There are mitochondria elsewhere in the cell, but most of them

1:25:21are contained in this mid region compartment

1:25:23just behind the head of the sperm.

1:25:25And that thick region is where the tail movement of the sperm,

1:25:30the flagellation back and forth, is actually generated from.

1:25:37Much like if you were to hold a rope, like a battle

1:25:40rope in the gym, and you were to whip the battle rope,

1:25:45the whip at the one end of the rope

1:25:47is what allows for the sort of-- let's just call it

1:25:52what it is-- the curves in the rope,

1:25:53the oscillations, the rising and falling

1:25:55of the rope all the way out to the end.

1:25:57It is the force of the whip right at that end that with

1:26:02the battle rope you're doing with your hand--

1:26:04and with the sperm, that is occurring just behind the head

1:26:07of the sperm--

1:26:08that is actually going to dictate how fast

1:26:11and how well that sperm can swim.

1:26:14And indeed, the sperm has to swim very far.

1:26:16How far?

1:26:17Well, on a relative scale--

1:26:19and again, these are estimations because they're going to be--

1:26:22how should we say?

1:26:23There will be differences in the distance

1:26:26from the head of the penis and where the ejaculation occurs

1:26:33to the cervix, depending on the relative size

1:26:35of the vaginal canal and the penis that

1:26:38delivers the ejaculate to the vaginal canal.

1:26:40But once the sperm arrive at the cervix, which

1:26:44is at the back of the vaginal canal

1:26:47just at the opening to the uterus,

1:26:49once the sperm arrive there, the distance

1:26:52from the cervix to the egg, of course,

1:26:55will vary depending on where that egg is

1:26:58in its ovulatory trajectory, its pathway.

1:27:00But it is akin, if you scale for size,

1:27:04to the distance between Los Angeles and San Francisco,

1:27:08which is many, many hundreds of miles.

1:27:10So those sperm have to swim very far.

1:27:12Now, of course, if the sperm are delivered in the vaginal canal

1:27:16somewhat further away, they will have further to go.

1:27:19If they're delivered right at the cervical opening,

1:27:21they will have less far to go.

1:27:22The very effective swimming sperm swim very fast.

1:27:27So they are able to accomplish that distance

1:27:29in just a few days.

1:27:30And this relates to a discussion that we

1:27:34will get into in a lot more detail

1:27:35later as to how often couples should have intercourse

1:27:39if they're trying to conceive.

1:27:41Many people might think, well, it's every day.

1:27:43However, the more frequent the ejaculation, the lower

1:27:46the concentration of sperm in each ejaculate.

1:27:49So this is not a discussion about how often

1:27:51to have intercourse depending to your preferences,

1:27:53for pleasure or bonding or whatever reason.

1:27:55This is a discussion about how often to have intercourse

1:27:58in order to optimize the probability of fertilization

1:28:02of the egg.

1:28:02There's some general rules that, of course, come to mind,

1:28:05which is ejaculations close to ovulation-- both before,

1:28:10during, or sometimes after--

1:28:12are obviously advantageous.

1:28:15But you will also hear OB/GYNs and urologist

1:28:18suggesting intercourse every other day

1:28:21leading up to the day of ovulation,

1:28:24starting about three to four days out

1:28:26from the day of ovulation.

1:28:28So we got a little bit sidetracked,

1:28:30albeit I think appropriately so, in focusing on fertilization.

1:28:34But what we were talking about right up until the point

1:28:36of that is the anatomy of the sperm itself,

1:28:39which is the head, the mid region that

1:28:41contains all those mitochondria, and then the tail.

1:28:44Now, what we haven't discussed is the actual generation

1:28:47of the sperm.

1:28:48So if you're a male or if you're a female,

1:28:51I think it's really important to understand

1:28:53how spermatogenesis works.

1:28:56Spermatogenesis works in much in the same way

1:29:00that the generation and maturation of eggs work,

1:29:03although, as I mentioned before, it's

1:29:05going to occur ongoing throughout the cycle

1:29:08of the male's life after puberty.

1:29:11We already talked about puberty, and I'll just

1:29:14cover this in two or three sentences

1:29:16as it relates to males.

1:29:17And it's essentially the same thing.

1:29:21The hypothalamus, up until the point of puberty,

1:29:24is providing suppression of the release

1:29:27of gonadotropin-releasing hormone.

1:29:29Then some biological clock, which is still not clearly

1:29:33understood-- it's probably not leptin coming from body fat.

1:29:38Again, unlike in the female, it's probably not leptin

1:29:40coming from body fat.

1:29:41But some other signal arrives to the hypothalamus,

1:29:44removes that inhibition, and GnRH,

1:29:46gonadotropin-releasing hormone, is now

1:29:48released onto the pituitary.

1:29:50A bunch of hormones are deployed from the pituitary

1:29:52as a consequence.

1:29:53The two most important ones for the context of this discussion

1:29:56are follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone.

1:30:00Follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone

1:30:02travel to the testes, and they're

1:30:05going to do two main things.

1:30:06One, they're going to trigger the production of testosterone.

1:30:10And they're going to trigger the production

1:30:12of the sperm themselves.

1:30:13They're going to set in motion, for essentially

1:30:15the rest of the life of the male, the production of sperm.

1:30:20They're going to initiate the spermatogenesis cycle,

1:30:22and that cycle is going to be ongoing

1:30:24at various stages for different sperm

1:30:26for the rest of the man's life.

1:30:28This is very different than the triggering of development

1:30:33of oocytes and eggs in females, where there's an existing

1:30:37vault. That vault can be depleted to the point of zero

1:30:40where it can't occur again.

1:30:41Men can generate sperm their entire lifetime.

1:30:43Of course, there's a diminishment

1:30:45of sperm production in very, very late age,

1:30:48say, 80s and 90s or 100s.

1:30:50But believe it or not, there are still sperm being produced.

1:30:52The quality of those sperm is another question.

1:30:55So everything we're going to talk about now

1:30:57is essentially puberty onward.

1:30:59Prior to that, testicles are present,

1:31:02but they're not generating sperm.

1:31:04Ejaculation isn't possible, or if it is possible,

1:31:07it's very unlikely and unusual, and it's not

1:31:10going to contain sperm.

1:31:12Everything we're going to talk about now

1:31:14is puberty forward, so puberty onward to the rest of life.

1:31:20And luteinizing hormone secreted from the pituitary acts

1:31:24on the testes and on a very specific cell type

1:31:27in the testes called the Leydig egg cells, or Leydig cells,

1:31:30L-E-Y-D-I-G, the Leydig cells.

1:31:33The Leydig cells of the testes are what produce testosterone.

1:31:37Testosterone is going to have two major effects.

1:31:41And here I mean really major because it

1:31:43has many, many hundreds of effects on different tissues

1:31:45of the body.

1:31:46In fact, that's the definition of a hormone, really.

1:31:48It's a substance that acts in an endocrine fashion.

1:31:51It can act on the very tissue that generated it.

1:31:53So for instance, testosterone made by the Leydig cells

1:31:55within the testes will act on the testes,

1:31:57as we'll talk about in a moment.

1:31:58But it can also act on other tissues.

1:32:01It can act on the pharynx and larynx

1:32:02and deepen the voice, as it does during puberty.

1:32:04It can act on the hair follicles and generate facial hair.

1:32:06It can act on the musculature and generate protein synthesis

1:32:10and development of muscle, bone, et

1:32:12cetera, all the things we associate

1:32:13with puberty and with testosterone typically.

1:32:17Restricting the conversation to the effects of testosterone

1:32:20on the testicle itself and on spermatogenesis,

1:32:23the Leydig cells make testosterone.

1:32:25And keep in mind that some of that testosterone

1:32:27will travel elsewhere in the body

1:32:29and do its thing for gene expression

1:32:31and the more acute effects of testosterone on the brain

1:32:34included.

1:32:35But the testosterone within the testes

1:32:37is at extremely high concentration.

1:32:40In fact, the concentration of intratesticular testosterone

1:32:44is at least 100 times higher than the concentration

1:32:47of testosterone anywhere else in the body,

1:32:49even though it's being secreted into the rest of the body.

1:32:52And that's because there are a number

1:32:54of different so-called binding proteins and enzymes

1:32:57that sequester the testosterone within the testes.

1:33:00So the Leydig cells are making testosterone,

1:33:02and a lot of that testosterone is acting on

1:33:04and is restricted to the testes.

1:33:06And that turns out to be very important because testosterone

1:33:11within the testes acts in concert

1:33:14with a different biological program that starts with FSH,

1:33:18follicle-stimulating hormone, that also travels to the testes

1:33:21and acts on a very specific set of cells that are called

1:33:25supporting cells or, more specifically,

1:33:27the Sertoli cells.

1:33:29The Sertoli cells are the cells that

1:33:32generate something called ABP, or androgen-binding protein.

1:33:36And it is the combination of testosterone from the Leydig

1:33:39cells and ABP from the Sertoli cells

1:33:43that is necessary for spermatogenesis.

1:33:46It's necessary for those spermatocytes

1:33:49to become what will eventually be healthy, mature sperm that

1:33:52have really nice shaped oval heads, have a mid region,

1:33:56chock a block through mitochondria,

1:33:57and can generate a fast whipping motion of the tail

1:34:00to swim from the cervix, or up the vagina into the cervix,

1:34:04and from the cervix to the egg to fertilize the egg.

1:34:07So it's really a basic set of chemical players that are

1:34:10involved here and so basic, in fact,

1:34:13that if you were to disrupt any one of these chemical players--

1:34:16either the luteinizing hormone, the FSH,

1:34:19the testosterone from the Leydig cells,

1:34:20or androgen-binding protein--

1:34:23you would observe pretty marked disruption

1:34:27in spermatogenesis or the elimination of sperm entirely.

1:34:31We'll get into a few deficits in sperm development

1:34:33and sperm number and sperm function a little bit later.

1:34:36But just keep in mind--

1:34:37or I should say, maybe sit back and just

1:34:39appreciate that the exact same players generate

1:34:42from the hypothalamus, which causes luteinizing

1:34:45hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone released

1:34:48from the pituitary, which travels to the gonad, which

1:34:51in this case is the testicle, which triggers

1:34:53the release of testosterone from Leydig

1:34:55cells, which triggers the action of the supporting cells,

1:35:00the Sertoli cells, which make androgen-binding protein.

1:35:03Testosterone and androgen-binding protein

1:35:05combine and create a chemical and actually

1:35:08a structural milieu in which those little spermatocytes

1:35:12can go from the walls, from literally

1:35:14the walls of the tubes of the seminiferous tubules,

1:35:17can mature into healthy, well-developed sperm,

1:35:19and can hop into those ducts, those little tubes,

1:35:23and then head off to the epididymis, where they will

1:35:25reside-- the epididymis is the tissue nearby the testicles

1:35:29or surrounding one portion of the testicle--

1:35:31and then eventually fuse with the vas deferens,

1:35:33can combine with or be contained with, rather,

1:35:36the seminal fluid, and then can be ejaculated via the urethra

1:35:41into the female, where then they can

1:35:43swim very quickly, effectively the distance, for them anyway,

1:35:46from Los Angeles to San Francisco,

1:35:48over the course of a very short period of time,

1:35:51and fertilize the egg.

1:35:53So that's the process of spermatogenesis, the maturation

1:35:56of sperm, which is ongoing throughout the lifespan

1:36:00from puberty onward.

1:36:01And in doing so, we talked about some of the hormonal elements--

1:36:04coming from the hypothalamus and coming from the pituitary,

1:36:07and within the testes themselves the Leydig cells, which

1:36:10produce testosterone, the Sertoli cells,

1:36:12which are the support cells that allow spermatogenesis to occur.

1:36:17With that in mind, next I'd like to think

1:36:20about what's actually contained in the ejaculate in terms

1:36:23of numbers of sperm and what's really being selected

1:36:26for in terms of the sperm that actually successfully

1:36:28fertilizes the egg and what sorts of elements

1:36:30come into play in dictating whether or not fertilization

1:36:34will or won't occur.

1:36:35And the major themes that we're going to discuss

1:36:37are frequency of ejaculation, but really

1:36:41that's just kind of a proxy for talking about maximizing

1:36:44sperm concentration and quality of sperm arriving at the egg--

1:36:48because, remember, ovulation and the menstrual cycle

1:36:51are really about creating the opportunity for fertilization.

1:36:55And we are also going to talk about how

1:36:58the vaginal duct, the vagina, and

1:37:01the milieu around the cervix and some other elements

1:37:04within the female herself contribute to

1:37:08and support the sperm in their journey to the egg

1:37:11and in the likelihood that they will fertilize the egg.

1:37:13So really what we need to talk about first is sperm quality.

1:37:17And we should also probably talk about ejaculate quality,

1:37:20because, as odd as that theme might seem,

1:37:24really the ejaculate quality, which

1:37:27has a number of different parameters,

1:37:29including the number of mature sperm

1:37:32that are not so mature that they're swimming slower

1:37:34or are dead, but also quality of sperm.

1:37:36They have, for instance, one tail.

1:37:37It's not entirely uncommon to see sperm

1:37:40with two tails because they just didn't form properly

1:37:43or sperm that are not moving very much.

1:37:45In fact, sperm motility is scored along a scale of 0,

1:37:481, 2, or 3, 3 being the best, fast forward progressing.

1:37:520 is not moving at all.

1:37:541, they're actually called twitchers.

1:37:57Twitchers are sperm that sort of just twitch in place

1:37:59but don't undergo forward progression.

1:38:012 is somewhere in between 1 and 3, not surprisingly.

1:38:06Different clinics, different OB/GYNs, different urologists

1:38:10will throw out different numbers.

1:38:12But in general, it is hoped that more than 50% of the sperm

1:38:17should be motile in some way or another, so not scoring a 0,

1:38:20but a 1, or 2, or ideally a 3.

1:38:23The concentration of sperm--

1:38:25of course, if it's higher within the ejaculate, the total number

1:38:30of sperm per milliliter of ejaculate, if that's higher,

1:38:33then there's a higher probability

1:38:35that one of those sperm will fertilize the egg.

1:38:38One thing I didn't mention before when

1:38:40discussing the production of eggs and ovulation--

1:38:42and I probably should have, so I will

1:38:43now-- is that most often only one

1:38:46ovary gives rise to an ovulating egg.

1:38:51It happens, but it's somewhat rare for two mature eggs, one

1:38:57from each ovary, to be deployed during a single ovulation.

1:39:00There's a name for that when it occurs and both are fertilized.

1:39:03It's called fraternal twins.

1:39:06If a single egg--

1:39:08that, of course, comes from a single ovary--

1:39:10is fertilized and the egg splits--

1:39:14and that's something that happens further along

1:39:16in the process of fertilization and differentiation

1:39:19of the embryo--

1:39:20well, then what you get are identical twins.

1:39:23There are other instances that are quite uncommon in which

1:39:26you can get fraternal twins through other circumstances.

1:39:28But in general, that's the way it works.

1:39:30But essentially what happens is one egg

1:39:32from one ovary-- that's the most common occurrence.

1:39:34The sperm, once ejaculated into the vaginal duct,

1:39:38are going to pass through the cervix

1:39:42and then are going to swim toward the egg.

1:39:44The egg could be at varying locations

1:39:47along the female reproductive axis.

1:39:50Now, this is actually a very important thing

1:39:52and actually gets right down to the safety of both the

1:39:56potentially developing embryo and the mother.

1:39:58There is something referred to as ectopic pregnancy,

1:40:01and that's when the pregnancy actually occurs

1:40:04within the Fallopian tubes.

1:40:05So the precise location in which fertilization

1:40:08between the sperm and the egg occurs can vary somewhat.

1:40:11But ideally, the fertilized egg implants into the endometrium

1:40:15or the endometrial lining of the uterus

1:40:17and develops there as opposed to within the Fallopian tubes,

1:40:20which is so-called ectopic pregnancy.

1:40:22Now, where the sperm and the egg meet exactly

1:40:25can vary, as I mentioned before.

1:40:27But in general, the faster swimming sperm

1:40:30and the more far along the ovulatory trajectory the egg

1:40:34are, the higher the probability of a successful fertilization

1:40:38because of the proximity to the implantation zone

1:40:40of the uterus.

1:40:41So basically it's all a probabilities game.

1:40:43It's a probabilities game related

1:40:45to the number of sperm cells that encounter the egg

1:40:47and where the egg is in terms of its ovulatory cycle

1:40:50and also its position where it is in the ovulatory cycle.

1:40:55The sperm parameters-- or I should

1:40:58say the semen parameters-- and ejaculate parameters

1:41:01that most clinicians want to see,

1:41:03if you were to give a sperm sample,

1:41:05would be somewhere in excess of 15 million sperm per milliliter

1:41:11of ejaculate.

1:41:12Now, there's a lot of discussion nowadays.

1:41:15It seems to be a very popular news theme

1:41:17to talk about diminishing sperm counts, the idea that 100

1:41:21years ago or maybe even 35 years ago, the typical male ejaculate

1:41:25contained 100 million sperm per milliliter,

1:41:28and nowadays it's down to 15 to 20 or 50.

1:41:31And indeed, sperm counts do seem to be declining.

1:41:34And the exact reasons for that are not clear.

1:41:36I confess I'm a little bit reluctant to talk about this

1:41:39because there have been a lot of back and forth discussions

1:41:42about the safety of EMFs, of electromagnetic fields,

1:41:44and it's not exactly what we're talking about here.

1:41:46But there are some excellent data

1:41:49contained in meta-analyses and reviews

1:41:50that I will provide links to and that we'll talk about

1:41:52in more detail in a minute that correlate

1:41:57the advent of smartphones and in particular caring

1:41:59of smartphones in the pocket with diminishing sperm counts.

1:42:03Although there are certain to be other factors that

1:42:06can explain diminishing sperm counts as well.

1:42:08Dr. Shanna Swan, for instance, has done beautiful work

1:42:12describing how the phthalates and the BPAs

1:42:16and so-called endocrine disruptors

1:42:18might be disrupting some of the milieu

1:42:19of the seminiferous tubules.

1:42:22So this would be reductions in testosterone and/or disruptions

1:42:24to the Sertoli cells and androgen-binding protein

1:42:27brought about by endocrine disruptors such as phthalates

1:42:29contained in pesticides and contained on printed receipts

1:42:32and things of that sort.

1:42:33There are some data that that is negatively

1:42:35impacting sperm counts.

1:42:38How much so is still debatable.

1:42:42There are also quite good data pointing

1:42:44to the fact that both the heat-related

1:42:47and the non-heat-related impact of smartphones and laptops

1:42:52contained on the lap are impacting sperm count

1:42:55and in a negative way.

1:42:57Again, there's going to be tremendous variation

1:42:59in the concentration of sperm from one

1:43:00individual to the next.

1:43:01It will vary according to age and a number of other factors

1:43:04that we'll talk about a little bit later.

1:43:07But in general, if somebody is wishing to conceive,

1:43:10then clinicians like to see a ejaculate volume

1:43:13of more than 2 milliliters.

1:43:16So ejaculate volume can be anywhere

1:43:18from 1.5 to 5 milliliters.

1:43:22And that will strongly be determined

1:43:24by how frequent ejaculation is occurring.

1:43:27There's a lot that goes into evaluating the quality

1:43:29of ejaculate and sperm.

1:43:30But basically these huge variations that are observed

1:43:35of anywhere from 15 million sperm per milliliter

1:43:38or, in some males who are not producing sperm for whatever

1:43:40reason-- we'll talk about those reasons in a little bit--

1:43:44as low as 5 million sperm per milliliter,

1:43:47all the way up to 100 or maybe even

1:43:48200 million sperm per milliliter.

1:43:51Huge variation-- the cause of which is not always clear

1:43:56but is certainly determined in part

1:43:58by the frequency of ejaculation.

1:44:00So because there are so many variables

1:44:03impacting why one male versus another male or even

1:44:06the same male across the lifespan

1:44:07might have variations in his concentration of sperm

1:44:10within the ejaculate, let's talk for a second about frequency

1:44:14of ejaculation as it relates to the goal of fertility,

1:44:17per se, because that's really what today's episode is all

1:44:19about.

1:44:20So what I'd like to talk about next

1:44:21is how people can increase the probability

1:44:24of a successful fertilization, focusing

1:44:26both on the components from the male side

1:44:29and from the female side.

1:44:30And I'm mainly going to couch this discussion in the context

1:44:33of the so-called natural method of sexual intercourse

1:44:36and ejaculation in vivo, within the female.

1:44:41But I will also touch on some parallel themes

1:44:43as it relates to in-vitro fertilization

1:44:45and intrauterine insemination.

1:44:48So the idea here is that we want the maximum number

1:44:52of high-quality sperm-- that is, rapidly forward,

1:44:55motile sperm that are of the correct morphology--

1:44:58that is, shape.

1:44:59That's going to require a lot of mitochondria

1:45:02in the mid region, a well-shaped head--

1:45:04so it's going to be an oval-shaped head.

1:45:06The tail is going to be a single tail, not multiple tails.

1:45:08These aren't going to be the twitcher type of--

1:45:11or immotile type of sperm that are either twitching in place

1:45:14or aren't moving forward.

1:45:15All of those components are going

1:45:17to be essential for increasing the probability

1:45:20of fertilization.

1:45:21But of course, there's the female side of it,

1:45:23too, which is that ovulation occurs

1:45:25on just one day during the menstrual ovulatory cycle.

1:45:28And that egg will be available for fertilization

1:45:31for approximately 24 hours.

1:45:33Now, keep in mind that the sperm can survive

1:45:35within the vaginal duct and within the area

1:45:38around the cervix and within the uterus

1:45:40and along the female reproductive tract for anywhere

1:45:44from three to five or it's even been

1:45:46described as up to seven days.

1:45:47But generally, it's going to be about three to five days.

1:45:50Now, most women can figure out the day of their ovulation

1:45:54by counting the total number of days of their typical cycle.

1:45:57And this is where it's really useful

1:45:58to have a cycle that's of more or less regular duration

1:46:02or, rather, of more or less regular length.

1:46:05So as we talked about earlier, if somebody's cycle

1:46:08is 21 days or 25 days and it's 21 or 25 days consistently

1:46:12or even 30 days consistently, that's

1:46:14going to be a far better scenario to favor fertilization

1:46:17than if it's 20 days one month and then 21

1:46:20days the next month, but then suddenly 30 days and then

1:46:23suddenly 35 days.

1:46:25Those varying durations of the ovulatory cycle

1:46:28make it very hard, obviously, to time

1:46:30and understand when ovulation is going to occur.

1:46:32So regular duration ovulatory cycles

1:46:36are the ideal circumstance, and they're the ideal circumstance,

1:46:39because even though the egg is only

1:46:41available for fertilization for a few days,

1:46:43those sperm can survive for some period of time, which

1:46:46leads to the issue of how often should couples

1:46:49be having intercourse.

1:46:51And here, I'm referring specifically

1:46:53to intercourse with ejaculation.

1:46:54How often should couples be having intercourse

1:46:56around the time of ovulation if the specific goal is

1:47:00successful fertilization of the egg and the creation of a baby?

1:47:05This is leaving aside all issues, which, of course, are

1:47:08interesting issues, related to how often people are having

1:47:11intercourse, whether or not there's ejaculation

1:47:13every time they have intercourse or not, for sake of pleasure

1:47:16or for sake of pair bonding and pleasure

1:47:19or for sake of any number of other potential goals

1:47:22of intercourse.

1:47:22Here I'm only referring to intercourse

1:47:24as it relates to the goal of fertilization of the egg.

1:47:29So knowing what we know about spermatogenesis and the fact

1:47:35that ejaculate is going to contain a certain concentration

1:47:39of sperm but that within that ejaculate some of the sperm

1:47:42will be older and less healthy and some will be optimally

1:47:46mature and some might even be a little bit

1:47:48immature-- although there's a tendency for the immature sperm

1:47:50to not have yet exited the seminiferous tubules, gone

1:47:55into the epididymis and vas deferens.

1:47:56But given that the ejaculate contains

1:47:58sperm of varying ages and therefore varying quality

1:48:02and given that with each successive ejaculation

1:48:05in a short period of time there's

1:48:07going to be a decrease in the concentration of sperm

1:48:10per milliliter of semen, of ejaculate,

1:48:13we can make some good arguments as

1:48:16to how often couples should have intercourse

1:48:19with ejaculation around the time of ovulation

1:48:21if the goal is to fertilize.

1:48:23If ovulation occurs on, for instance,

1:48:25day 14 of a cycle-- and here we're

1:48:26using the kind of standard average

1:48:28of 28 days of the cycle.

1:48:30But for some people with a 30-day cycle,

1:48:32it could be day 15, or with a shorter cycle,

1:48:36it could be day 12, for instance.

1:48:37But given a 28-day average cycle,

1:48:40let's say ovulation occurs on day 13 or on day 14.

1:48:44And typically, it would occur on day 14 of a 28-day cycle.

1:48:48Well, then, given how long sperm can survive inside

1:48:52of the woman, you might think that the optimal strategy would

1:48:55be to have as much intercourse with ejaculation in the three

1:48:58or four days leading up to ovulation, hope

1:49:01that those sperm have swam as far as they possibly

1:49:04can and will encounter the egg just as soon as possible

1:49:06after it ovulates.

1:49:08It turns out that's not the optimal strategy.

1:49:10The optimal strategy is really to maximize the concentration

1:49:13of healthy sperm within each ejaculate

1:49:16and to really center that around the day of ovulation.

1:49:19So what this involves generally and what

1:49:22the typical recommendation is is to abstain from intercourse

1:49:27with ejaculation about two or three

1:49:29days out from ovulation and then, on the day

1:49:33prior to ovulation and on the day of ovulation,

1:49:37to essentially introduce as much semen

1:49:40and ejaculate into the reproductive pathway

1:49:43of the female as possible.

1:49:45Now, that's the general recommendation

1:49:47that the OB/GYNs and the urologists that I spoke to

1:49:50gave.

1:49:51But you will also hear a different strategy.

1:49:54It's only slightly different.

1:49:55But the different strategy involves

1:49:57trying to maximize the concentration of healthy sperm

1:50:00within each ejaculate with the understanding that,

1:50:02with each subsequent ejaculation over about a 24-hour period,

1:50:06that there's going to be a dramatic reduction

1:50:09in the concentration of sperm.

1:50:10What that means is that if a couple, for instance,

1:50:12were to have intercourse with ejaculation many times

1:50:15on the day prior to ovulation, yes,

1:50:17that will introduce a lot of sperm

1:50:19into the reproductive pathway of the female, but what it means

1:50:23is that, on the day of ovulation if they were

1:50:25to have intercourse, the number of high quality sperm

1:50:29that will be available to the egg will be greatly diminished.

1:50:32And if none of the sperm that were introduced

1:50:35in the day prior managed to fertilize that egg,

1:50:38well, then essentially chances are off

1:50:40that there will be fertilization or they're greatly diminished.

1:50:43Rather, if they're having intercourse with ejaculation

1:50:47once or twice on the day prior to ovulation

1:50:50and then a maximal number of times with ejaculation

1:50:53on the day of ovulation, that itself

1:50:56can maximize the probability of fertilization.

1:50:58So which strategy is optimal?

1:51:00Should couples have as much intercourse

1:51:01with ejaculation on the day prior to ovulation

1:51:04and on the day of ovulation?

1:51:06Or should they have intercourse on the day prior to ovulation

1:51:10but not so frequently that it diminishes the concentration

1:51:13of sperm and then allows for intercourse

1:51:17with the maximum number of ejaculations

1:51:20on the day of ovulation?

1:51:21You really hear it both ways.

1:51:23And what this really boils down to is,

1:51:24frankly, that nobody knows.

1:51:26And the reason nobody knows is that there's

1:51:28tremendous variation among males in terms

1:51:30of the absolute concentration of sperm per milliliter

1:51:33of ejaculate and the amount of sperm per milliliter

1:51:39of ejaculate within a given time frame.

1:51:41But what everyone agrees on is that a period of abstinence

1:51:45ranging from 48 to 72 hours prior to an ejaculation

1:51:49increases the concentration of high-quality sperm

1:51:52within that first ejaculation to occur after the abstinence

1:51:56period.

1:51:57So again, to reiterate, if one's goal is to fertilize the egg,

1:52:00you want to take into consideration

1:52:02that most often there is going to be

1:52:05a dramatic decline in the concentration of sperm

1:52:08per ejaculate any time those ejaculations are occurring

1:52:12within a short period of time, say,

1:52:13within 12 to 24 hours of one another.

1:52:16Now, all of this, of course, also

1:52:18relates to the female biology and the extent

1:52:21to which the woman can precisely identify the day

1:52:25and timing of her ovulation.

1:52:26Some women feel as if and indeed are very accurate

1:52:30at estimating their time of ovulation

1:52:33to within a couple of hours or some women even

1:52:36report being able to feel their actual ovulation,

1:52:39whether or not they are feeling the ovulation

1:52:41itself, the deployment of the egg or not, isn't clear.

1:52:43I certainly wouldn't know.

1:52:45I've never produced eggs, nor have I ovulated,

1:52:47and I'm certainly not going to contest the idea

1:52:49that women can do that.

1:52:52I mean, it makes sense that some people

1:52:54have a very keen so-called interoceptive

1:52:57awareness, an awareness of the sensory events

1:52:59within their body.

1:53:01And while, of course, the ovaries are not

1:53:03thought of as an organ that we want

1:53:05to be able to sense what's going on in there in terms of feel,

1:53:08there are sensory endings within the ovary.

1:53:10And so the notion that one could literally sense changes

1:53:14within their ovary, including the deployment of the egg,

1:53:16is not outside the bounds of reason and, in fact,

1:53:20could likely be the case.

1:53:21Now, that said, there are a number of different ways

1:53:25that women will track their ovulation.

1:53:26One is the temperature method.

1:53:28So they'll actually measure intravaginal temperature.

1:53:30They're looking for changes in temperature

1:53:32that are consistent around the time of ovulation.

1:53:35We're going to have an expert guest on, an OB/GYN, who

1:53:38can tell us a lot more about the details and nuances

1:53:40of the temperature method.

1:53:42You'll see a lot of information about this online,

1:53:43but there's a lot of misunderstanding about it,

1:53:45as well.

1:53:46Other women will use apps that take into account

1:53:49either the temperature information

1:53:50if they're acquiring temperature information--

1:53:53that'll be entered into the app--

1:53:54as well as marking the onset of menstruation,

1:53:58the onset of bleeding, therefore,

1:54:00the start of the ovulatory cycle,

1:54:01because, of course, as we mentioned earlier,

1:54:03that marks day one of their cycle.

1:54:04And then, again and again, you can

1:54:06see how regularity of cycle duration

1:54:08or relative regularity of cycle duration

1:54:11really favors this whole process of being able to predict

1:54:14when one ovulates.

1:54:16And fortunately, if the goal is fertilization,

1:54:20there are some margins for error that are introduced by the fact

1:54:24that the sperm can survive within the female reproductive

1:54:27tract for some period of days, thereby reducing

1:54:31the need for absolute certainty about the time of ovulation

1:54:35and so on.

1:54:36In fact, it's pretty well known that around the time

1:54:38of ovulation a couple of things happen.

1:54:40Earlier, we talked about one thing,

1:54:42which is there's an increase in libido just prior to ovulation.

1:54:44This relates to, in part, an increase

1:54:47in some of the androgens, things like DHEA,

1:54:51but also testosterone and some related androgens

1:54:54that can increase libido both in males and females and changes

1:55:00to the reproductive pathway, the female in particular,

1:55:04a change in the pH-- that is, the relative acidity

1:55:07versus basic nature of the mucosal lining near the cervix

1:55:12and also vaginal secretions, such that,

1:55:14around the time of ovulation, the entire milieu of the vagina

1:55:19and the cervix and the locations in which fertilization can

1:55:23occur and certainly in which the sperm are swimming

1:55:25towards the opportunity for fertilization

1:55:27is shifted to support sperm motility and health.

1:55:31In other words, one of the best environments for sperm

1:55:33to survive is going to be within the female reproductive pathway

1:55:37itself.

1:55:38And as long as we're talking about vaginal secretions

1:55:40and mucus, it's important to point out

1:55:43that a number of commercially available lubricants

1:55:45can actually be detrimental for sperm health,

1:55:48even if they don't contain spermicide.

1:55:50So this is something that you'll want

1:55:52to discuss with your OB/GYN or, certainly if you're male,

1:55:56you could also discuss this with your urologist

1:55:58and your partner's OB/GYN.

1:56:01A lot of the commercially available lubricants

1:56:04contain chemicals that, while they may favorably

1:56:07change the consistency or the viscosity

1:56:10of the vaginal pathway for purposes of intercourse,

1:56:13certainly may not be the most favorable for maintaining

1:56:17the health of the sperm and the motility of the sperm.

1:56:20So again, here we're talking about intercourse only

1:56:23in the context of trying to maximize fertilization.

1:56:26And I should mention that there are

1:56:28certain lubricants that are more conducive to the sperm

1:56:30environment.

1:56:31But it's something that you'll really

1:56:33want to talk to your OB/GYN about

1:56:34or at least read up about if your interest is

1:56:37in trying to fertilize and develop an embryo.

1:56:40So we covered the optimal strategies

1:56:41for how often couples should have intercourse

1:56:44with ejaculation around the time of ovulation

1:56:48in order to maximize the probability

1:56:50that successful fertilization and ultimately pregnancy will

1:56:53occur.

1:56:54What we haven't covered yet, however,

1:56:56is how long couples should apply that method over time in order

1:57:01to achieve successful fertilization in pregnancy.

1:57:04Now, of course, if a couple decides

1:57:06that they want to conceive and they

1:57:07apply that method or any other method, for instance,

1:57:10and they achieve fertilization and a successful pregnancy

1:57:14the very first month that they try,

1:57:16well, then there's no other work to do,

1:57:18at least until that child is born and if

1:57:20and only if they decide they want to have more children.

1:57:23However, many couples find that they do not

1:57:26conceive in the first month of trying,

1:57:28even when they apply the optimal methods

1:57:30and even if their age and every other factor related to egg

1:57:34quality and sperm quality is optimized.

1:57:36Now, I think it's the rare instance

1:57:38in which egg quality and sperm quality are optimized.

1:57:41In fact, the word "optimal" and "optimization" and "optimized"

1:57:44is a little bit misleading in general

1:57:46because no one really knows what that is.

1:57:48But of course, there is an ideal.

1:57:49There's a perfect standard to which

1:57:52everyone would like to achieve.

1:57:53But of course, we all enter the picture with genetic variables,

1:57:56environmental variables, and so forth, many of which

1:58:00we'll talk about because you can, in fact, adjust them

1:58:02in the direction that you would like to improve sperm and egg

1:58:04quality.

1:58:05But most people simply will not succeed

1:58:09in achieving a successful fertilization the first month

1:58:13that they try.

1:58:14Now, there is a truth that governs

1:58:16how many tries it ought to take in order

1:58:20to achieve successful fertilization and ultimately

1:58:23pregnancy.

1:58:23And it's very age dependent.

1:58:25And in particular, it's dependent on the age

1:58:27of the mother, because the age and quality of the egg,

1:58:30while it's not the only factor, is certainly

1:58:33one of the most determining factors in whether or not

1:58:36successful fertilization occurs.

1:58:38And as women age, the quality of the eggs

1:58:40tends to diminish over time, largely

1:58:42due to changes in the mitochondrial function

1:58:44and the spindle that pulls the chromosomes apart,

1:58:47although there could be other factors involved as well.

1:58:50Now, before continuing any further,

1:58:51I just want to acknowledge that this whole language around egg

1:58:54quality and sperm quality is not the greatest

1:58:57language because it's entirely subjective.

1:59:00And yet the word "quality" in these instances

1:59:03is really there to explain a broad variety

1:59:06of factors that can, in fact, be measured,

1:59:08things like the number of follicles that are deployed

1:59:10each month in a woman's ovulation or the number

1:59:13of motile sperm or the number of morphologically-- that

1:59:17is, correctly shaped sperm in the male and so forth.

1:59:19So when we talk about egg quality or sperm quality,

1:59:21we're really referring to an amalgam of different features

1:59:25related to the different aspects of ovulation

1:59:29leading to successful fertilization

1:59:30or the different aspects of sperm related to whether or not

1:59:34they can arrive and deliver their DNA contents

1:59:36and so forth.

1:59:36So I will use the words "egg quality" and "sperm quality"

1:59:39just as general themes because that's what

1:59:41a lot of the clinicians use.

1:59:42But I do understand that it's a little bit of a loaded term

1:59:45in both instances, and it doesn't relate to any one

1:59:48specific parameter, per se.

1:59:50So getting back to this issue of how long couples

1:59:52should try according to the age of the female

1:59:55and perhaps also the age of the male.

1:59:57Well, most of the data that have been collected

1:59:59relate to the age of the female, as I mentioned before.

2:00:02And what we're about to discuss is,

2:00:04within the scientific literature,

2:00:06described as what's called fecundability,

2:00:08which is the amount of time over which a given couple needs

2:00:12to attempt to conceive-- of course,

2:00:14by having intercourse with ejaculation--

2:00:16around the time of ovulation.

2:00:18It assumes that all the other things

2:00:20are being done correctly.

2:00:22And what we know is that there's a strong age-dependent effect

2:00:25that largely rests on the age of the egg-- that is,

2:00:28of the female.

2:00:29And what we know is that for females 30 years old

2:00:34or younger, if they have intercourse with ejaculation

2:00:38around the time of ovulation, say, on the day

2:00:40before and on the day of ovulation--

2:00:43and there could be other intercourse with ejaculation

2:00:45around that time as well--

2:00:47on average, that will result in a successful fertilization

2:00:51in pregnancy about 20% of the time

2:00:54on the first month of attempting,

2:00:56the first ovulation cycle.

2:00:58Now, if fertilization and pregnancy occurs, great.

2:01:01There'll be at least a nine-month lag

2:01:03until they decide whether or not they

2:01:04want to try and conceive again.

2:01:06However, most couples, even if the woman is 30 years

2:01:10old or younger, will not successfully

2:01:12conceive on that first attempt.

2:01:15And that's because the probability is not 100%.

2:01:17It's 20%.

2:01:18So 80% of the time, they simply will not

2:01:20conceive, which means that they hopefully will try again

2:01:24the very next month.

2:01:26And if they successfully conceive, great.

2:01:28And if they don't, then they ought

2:01:29to try again the next month, the next month, and so forth.

2:01:32Now, the typical advice that an OB/GYN would give you

2:01:35is that, for a woman 30 years or younger--

2:01:39and leaving aside the age of the father

2:01:42but still assuming that egg quality and sperm quality

2:01:46are sufficiently high to achieve fertilization--

2:01:49that the couple should--

2:01:52or if the woman is trying to have kids alone,

2:01:54the woman should attempt to conceive over

2:01:56the period of six months.

2:01:58Why?

2:01:59Well, if you think about it, if there's

2:02:00a 20% chance in the first month and it's unsuccessful, well,

2:02:04then on the second month, there'll also be a 20% chance.

2:02:07On the third month, also a 20% chance.

2:02:09What I'm describing here is what obviously

2:02:12is independent probabilities.

2:02:14That is, if you were to flip a coin

2:02:16and the probability of getting heads is 50%,

2:02:18the probability of getting tails is 50%, of course.

2:02:21You don't expect that the previous flip had anything

2:02:24to do with the result that you'll

2:02:25get on the subsequent flip.

2:02:26That's what independent probabilities are.

2:02:28However, when it comes to fecundability,

2:02:31we're really talking about something

2:02:33which is called cumulative pregnancy rate, which

2:02:36is not really independent probabilities.

2:02:38Now, why would that be?

2:02:39Why would it be that if you did not successfully

2:02:41conceive in the first month of trying that,

2:02:43by simply trying again and again and again, the probability

2:02:46of conceiving would increase?

2:02:48Well, the reason for that is that this whole business

2:02:50of fertilization is not just about what's

2:02:52happening with the egg.

2:02:53It's also about what's happening with the sperm.

2:02:55So there are a number of different events related

2:02:57to the biology of the egg and the biology of the sperm, which

2:03:00you are now very familiar with from everything

2:03:02I've talked about up until now.

2:03:03And there a bunch of chance events,

2:03:06for instance, that the sperm won't actually

2:03:08arrive at the egg in time or that the egg won't arrive

2:03:11at the sperm in time, because, of course,

2:03:12it's a bidirectional migration of those two cell

2:03:14types, or that, for whatever reason,

2:03:16fertilization won't occur.

2:03:17So what we're really talking about when

2:03:19we talk about the cumulative pregnancy rate over time

2:03:22is the fact that there are multiple probabilities at work.

2:03:25And yes, those are somewhat independent in the sense

2:03:28that the biology of the sperm doesn't really strictly

2:03:31depend on the biology of the egg,

2:03:32at least not until they meet and fertilize.

2:03:34But the likelihood of pregnancy depends

2:03:38on those independent probabilities,

2:03:39which makes this a cumulative pregnancy rate.

2:03:42Now, if any of that is confusing, what it basically

2:03:44means is that for the egg and the sperm

2:03:46to meet and to fertilize, a number of different events

2:03:49that carry some intentionality--

2:03:52the sperm swims towards the egg and so forth.

2:03:53The egg doesn't have a personality in there,

2:03:56at least not yet.

2:03:57But it, quote, unquote, "wants" to be fertilize.

2:04:00It is, in principle, receptive to fertilization.

2:04:03Well, in order for that to happen,

2:04:05there are going to be some events related to chance

2:04:08that could limit the ability for that to happen,

2:04:10and there'll be other events dictated

2:04:11by the biology of those two cell types that

2:04:13are driving that event to happen,

2:04:15that are biasing the event to, yes, happen.

2:04:17And so what we're talking about when

2:04:19we talk about cumulative pregnancy rate

2:04:21is how much of the biology of the woman

2:04:24is skewed towards fertilization to be likely to occur.

2:04:28So to make this very simple, all we need to know

2:04:30is that for women 30 years old or younger,

2:04:33because the probability of getting pregnant on any one

2:04:37attempt to conceive is 20%, well,

2:04:42then if that doesn't occur the first time,

2:04:44then she should simply repeat that at least five

2:04:46and probably six times before deciding to go to an OB/GYN

2:04:50and conclude that there's something going on either

2:04:52with the egg or, of course, it could be with the sperm

2:04:55because 20 times 5 is 100.

2:04:56So we're talking about cumulative percent--

2:04:58so 20, 40, 60, 80, 100.

2:05:01And the six month there would take you

2:05:03to 120%, which is a different thing altogether.

2:05:07But in general, that's why OB/GYNs

2:05:09will tell their female patients, look,

2:05:11if you're setting out to conceive,

2:05:12try for about five or six months,

2:05:14and if you're not successful, come back and see me.

2:05:17Now, for women who are age 31 to 33,

2:05:21the probability of conceiving in that first month

2:05:23drops to about 18%.

2:05:25So women in that age range and their partners

2:05:27should certainly try and conceive naturally

2:05:29over a period of six or seven months in order

2:05:32to get to that 100% cumulative probability.

2:05:34And then for women who are age 34 to 37,

2:05:37the probability of conceiving in that first month

2:05:40of trying and certainly every month thereafter is about 11%.

2:05:45So when the age of the woman starts extending out

2:05:47to about 34 or 35 years old, then the typical advice

2:05:50of the OB/GYN is going to be to attempt to conceive over

2:05:54a period of about nine months to a year

2:05:56before deciding to take some sort of medical intervention.

2:06:00And then, of course, as the age of the woman increases,

2:06:03so too does the quality of the eggs go down.

2:06:06Now, that's not true for every woman.

2:06:08There are many women who, in their late 30s and 40s and even

2:06:10early 50s, have successfully conceived healthy children,

2:06:14although the probability of that-- the likelihood of it

2:06:17drops substantially.

2:06:18So for instance, for women who are age 38 to 39,

2:06:21the probability of a successful conception

2:06:24by natural conception-- intercourse with ejaculation--

2:06:27is going to be about 5%.

2:06:30So it's really dropped to a quarter of what

2:06:32it was when that woman was 30.

2:06:35Again, these are averages only.

2:06:36What does that mean?

2:06:37Well, it means that if you are age 38 or older,

2:06:41chances are that you should probably go to your OB/GYN

2:06:44right at the outset of your desire

2:06:46to conceive and ask what you can do to improve egg quality.

2:06:49Otherwise, if you were to extend the math out,

2:06:51we know that if you're age 30 or younger, 20% chance

2:06:54in any one given month.

2:06:55That means about four to six months of trying.

2:06:57Well, you can simply multiply that times four or five

2:07:02for someone in their late 30s or early 40s.

2:07:04And so what you're really talking about

2:07:06is several years of trying.

2:07:07And of course, what's happening during those several years?

2:07:09The woman is getting older.

2:07:10And as a consequence, the quality of the eggs

2:07:12is declining even further.

2:07:14So if you are 35, 36 years old, it might not

2:07:19be entirely unreasonable to talk to your OB/GYN right

2:07:22at the outset of desiring to conceive,

2:07:24but you could also just take the approach

2:07:25of trying to conceive naturally for about a year or a year

2:07:28and a half before deciding to do that, keeping in mind

2:07:31that all the while you can't stop time.

2:07:33So biological time and aging is going to occur in the backdrop.

2:07:36But hopefully this description of cumulative pregnancy rate

2:07:40makes sense.

2:07:41Again, the idea is that while it's true

2:07:43that every single month there's an independent chance

2:07:47of the woman getting pregnant and that chance is dropping

2:07:51from abut 20% at age 30 over time to about, really, 1% to 3%

2:07:56for women 40 or older, there's also

2:07:58this notion of cumulative probability, which

2:08:00involves multiple biological events in both

2:08:03the egg and the sperm that have to converge in time and space

2:08:06in order for successful fertilization to occur.

2:08:08As long as we're on this topic, I

2:08:10think it's only fair to address the issue of miscarriage.

2:08:13And miscarriages can arise from a variety of sources.

2:08:16They can arise from genetic defects.

2:08:18They can arise from issues in the milieu view of the uterus.

2:08:21They can arise from issues with the sperm, for that matter.

2:08:24We really don't want to put all the weight and all

2:08:27the responsibility on the egg.

2:08:29This is always an egg/sperm dynamic.

2:08:31And when I say egg/sperm dynamic, now

2:08:33hopefully that calls to mind the huge library of information

2:08:35that we've been covering up until now

2:08:37about chromosomal segregation and the coming together

2:08:39of these different cell types and their genetic information.

2:08:42Any number of different steps within the process

2:08:45of fertilization leading up to pregnancy

2:08:47can lead to miscarriage.

2:08:49However, the probability of miscarriage

2:08:52greatly increases as a function of the age of the egg.

2:08:57And the basic numbers on thisare are

2:09:00that for women who are 35 years or older, about 25%

2:09:05of successful fertilizations lead to miscarriages.

2:09:09Now, when those miscarriages occur during pregnancy

2:09:12can be highly variable.

2:09:13Sometimes it's within the first trimester.

2:09:15Sometimes it could be later.

2:09:17But the probability is about 25%.

2:09:20That probability increases greatly over time,

2:09:24such that by the time women are in their early 40s--

2:09:27so 40 or older--

2:09:28the probability of miscarriage after

2:09:30a successful fertilization is going to be about 50%.

2:09:33And this could be due to a number of factors,

2:09:35as I mentioned before.

2:09:36But one common reason is that there can

2:09:39be chromosomal abnormalities.

2:09:41And that could be related typically

2:09:43to the segregation of the egg when

2:09:46half of the chromosomes in that egg

2:09:48are removed, taking it from diploid to haploid.

2:09:50If you recall, there's that little polar body,

2:09:53which is the removal of the chromosomes that's

2:09:56ejected from the egg that will eventually ovulate.

2:09:58And sometimes not all the chromosomes

2:10:00that were supposed to be ejected in that polar body are ejected.

2:10:04And as a consequence, there are multiple chromosomes

2:10:06or duplications of chromosomes, things like trisomies.

2:10:09Sometimes too many chromosomes move away

2:10:11and there are actually removal of entire chromosomes,

2:10:13meaning both strands, so that you have chromosomal deletions.

2:10:16And in that case, typically fertilization won't occur.

2:10:19But there are instances in which fertilization will occur.

2:10:21So a woman will get a positive pregnancy test.

2:10:23Her periods will stop.

2:10:25And the couple will think that they're

2:10:27advancing along the steps to a successful pregnancy,

2:10:31and then there will be, sadly, a miscarriage.

2:10:33Many, many times those miscarriages

2:10:35are the consequence of the fact that,

2:10:37when there are extra chromosomes there or there

2:10:40are too few chromosomes present, that embryogenesis can simply

2:10:46not progress in a healthy way.

2:10:48There are some instances in which

2:10:50all of the chromosomes and all the chromosomal arrangements

2:10:53are perfectly normal and miscarriages can still occur.

2:10:57I'm going to do a future episode about pregnancy

2:11:00and embryonic development where we

2:11:01will get into this more deeply.

2:11:03But just understand that the frequency of miscarriages

2:11:06increases dramatically after about age 34

2:11:10and then continues to increase dramatically,

2:11:12extending well out until the 40s.

2:11:15Now, a very important consideration

2:11:16in terms of understanding and predicting

2:11:18fertility and fecundability, this word that describes

2:11:22the probability of getting pregnant on a given try

2:11:24and over time, is trying to address how,

2:11:29quote, unquote, "fertile" a woman is

2:11:31and, importantly, how, quote, unquote, "fertile" a male is.

2:11:36And we'll talk about the male side in a moment.

2:11:38But when trying to address how fertile a woman is, of course,

2:11:42age is going to be one of the major factors, but just one

2:11:45factor.

2:11:46We already talked about how age determines

2:11:48the likelihood of a successful pregnancy

2:11:51if the intercourse and ejaculation is being carried

2:11:55out at the correct times and with viable sperm

2:11:58capable of fertilizing eggs.

2:12:00And then, of course, there's the issue of egg quality.

2:12:03But in general, most women would like

2:12:05to know how fertile they are as a function of their age.

2:12:10And I actually think this is one of the most important topics

2:12:13in this whole space around fertility

2:12:14that isn't often discussed or at least isn't often discussed

2:12:17until women are in their late 30s or 40s,

2:12:20when oftentimes they will look back

2:12:23and wish that either they had frozen their eggs

2:12:24or they had frozen fertilized embryos, which is a whole thing

2:12:28unto itself.

2:12:29And we can talk about that when we

2:12:30have an episode on in-vitro fertilization in more depth.

2:12:34But there is a fairly straightforward way

2:12:37or set of ways that women can determine

2:12:39their basic level of fertility.

2:12:42Leaving aside a lot of the detailed issues

2:12:44about the quality of eggs and so forth, one thing

2:12:47that you already learned is that there's this vault,

2:12:49there's this reserve that we call the ovarian reserve,

2:12:52and that each month a certain number of follicles

2:12:55leave that reserve, and there's the opportunity, based

2:12:59on the ovulation of a single egg, to fertilize that egg

2:13:03and for the woman to get pregnant.

2:13:05Now, one thing that we know for sure

2:13:06is that the size of the population that's

2:13:10released from that vault each month

2:13:13has a very strong positive correlation

2:13:16with the size of the reserve in the vault itself.

2:13:19So the way to think about this, perhaps,

2:13:22is that the vault is like a bank account.

2:13:24It has a certain amount of money--

2:13:26in this case, eggs-- in it.

2:13:28And you could imagine, if someone's reasonably logical,

2:13:32that if they have more money in their bank account, then

2:13:34they're going to withdraw a larger amount

2:13:36each month than if they have a small amount each month,

2:13:39if the idea is to make that vault, that bank,

2:13:42of eggs available to them over the longest period of time.

2:13:46And indeed, biology is pretty smart.

2:13:48It doesn't deploy or release half the follicles in one month

2:13:53and then just slowly trickle out the remainder of follicles.

2:13:55No, that's not how it works.

2:13:57What you find is that, of course, in younger women--

2:13:59so, say, in their late teens, 20s, and 30s--

2:14:03the ovarian reserve in the vault is

2:14:05going to have more eggs in it, and the number

2:14:08of follicles and eggs that leave that vault each month

2:14:11is going to be quite high.

2:14:12So one way to evaluate how, quote, unquote,

2:14:16"fertile" you are--

2:14:17again, just one way-- is to go to your OB/GYN

2:14:20and say that you would like to know how many follicles

2:14:23you have in a given month.

2:14:24And of course, they'll look at them on both sides,

2:14:26in both ovaries.

2:14:28And for instance, if a woman has just two or three follicles

2:14:32that are out each month, well, then the assumption-- again,

2:14:36it's just an assumption-- but the assumption that's pretty

2:14:38good-- because there is this positive correlation that

2:14:41generally occurs--

2:14:42is that that ovarian reserve--

2:14:44that the number of eggs in the vault

2:14:46is fairly low compared to someone

2:14:49who, say, has 20 follicles or 30 follicles each month.

2:14:53And that's the typical trend.

2:14:54Again, these are averages.

2:14:55And it's very important to not get attached to any one number

2:14:58here.

2:14:58Again, these are averages.

2:15:00So for instance, there are women who only deploy five follicles

2:15:05and eggs each month out of their ovarian vault

2:15:07but who find themselves to be very fertile.

2:15:09And there could be a number of different factors

2:15:11to explain that.

2:15:12Other women will have 20 or 30 eggs

2:15:15and follicles that leave that vault, the ovarian reserve,

2:15:17each month.

2:15:18And they will have a harder time getting

2:15:19pregnant for any number of different reasons.

2:15:21But in general, the more eggs and follicles

2:15:23that leave the vault each month, the higher number

2:15:27of eggs that are still in reserve, meaning the greater

2:15:29amount of time over which a given woman could still

2:15:32attempt to have successful fertilizations.

2:15:35Now, this small collection of follicles and eggs

2:15:39that are released each month actually has a name.

2:15:41They're called antral follicles.

2:15:42These are small follicles.

2:15:43They tend to be about 2 to 9 millimeters across.

2:15:45The way these are analyzed or measured

2:15:47is woman will go into the OB/GYN office, and by ultrasound--

2:15:52typically there's some local anesthesia,

2:15:53but it's not often a general anesthesia,

2:15:55but by local anesthesia or sometimes no anesthesia--

2:15:58they will essentially count the number of follicles that

2:16:02are present in each side, on ovary on the left

2:16:05and the ovary on the right, and give a woman some sense of how

2:16:08many follicles she has.

2:16:09And typically this is done over a series of months

2:16:12to determine how many eggs are leaving the ovarian

2:16:15reserve each month and therefore how many eggs

2:16:17she is likely to still have in the ovarian reserve.

2:16:21now there's a noninvasive way to do this, as well.

2:16:24Although, typically, an OB/GYN will do both what I just

2:16:27described with ultrasound and measure something called AMH,

2:16:30which is anti-Müllerian hormone, which is a hormone that is

2:16:34released by that antral follicle population,

2:16:37the population of follicles and eggs that leave the ovarian

2:16:40reserve each month.

2:16:41So one is a blood draw measure of a hormone, AMH.

2:16:44The other is a structural imaging measure

2:16:46of the antral follicles directly.

2:16:49again the typical trend is for the number of antral follicles

2:16:53to decline over time.

2:16:54So one might expect, for instance,

2:16:56that a woman in her 20s or 30s might have 20, 30, maybe

2:17:00even 40 antral follicles that are

2:17:02exiting the reserve each month.

2:17:03And again, that's the total across both ovaries.

2:17:07Again, these are just averages.

2:17:08These are going to be distributions.

2:17:09There will be people with far fewer.

2:17:10There will be people with far more.

2:17:12But that over time, regardless of where a woman starts out,

2:17:18from one decade to the next half decade and decade

2:17:21and so on, that the number of antral follicles will decline

2:17:24and the amount of or the levels of AMH will also decline.

2:17:28So what does this all mean?

2:17:30What this means is that if you are

2:17:32a woman who is in her 20s or 30s or 40s, whatever your age,

2:17:37if you are interested in conceiving in the future,

2:17:40it's very likely a good idea to go to your OB/GYN

2:17:44and get either your AMH levels measured or your follicle count

2:17:48measured and to do that several times in a given period.

2:17:52And I don't mean a menstrual period.

2:17:53I mean given a period of time across several months

2:17:55to determine what is the average number of follicles, what's

2:17:58your average AMH level, thereby giving you

2:18:02some window into how many eggs you are likely to still

2:18:05have in your ovarian reserve.

2:18:07I cannot tell you how many women that I've spoken to and how

2:18:10many OB/GYNs--

2:18:10more importantly, because they speak

2:18:12to many more women about this than I ever have or ever will--

2:18:16wish that they had done this earlier.

2:18:18They think, oh, well, I'm in my 20s,

2:18:20so I'm likely to have a ton of follicles,

2:18:22or they got pregnant once before,

2:18:23and so they're not so concerned about the number of follicles

2:18:25or their AMH levels.

2:18:27But over and over again, I was told

2:18:29in researching for this episode that the earlier

2:18:32and more frequent that women do this procedure of measuring

2:18:35AMH and measuring their follicle count,

2:18:38the higher the probability that they will eventually

2:18:40have a successful fertilization and pregnancy

2:18:42when they seek to do so.

2:18:44Now, the mirror image of all this, of course, is the sperm.

2:18:47And there's a kind of common misconception

2:18:50out there that, you know, the sperm, you only need one.

2:18:53And indeed you only need one.

2:18:54But actually, you need many, and it's

2:18:57only one that's able to successfully fertilize the egg.

2:19:01So this whole concept of you only

2:19:02need one is both dismissive of the sperm

2:19:05but more importantly dismissive of the biology

2:19:07of the sperm and the egg.

2:19:09It only takes one successful sperm and one successful egg,

2:19:13but that's sort of like telling a woman,

2:19:15hey, you only need one egg.

2:19:17You need one egg of sufficient quality in the right time

2:19:21and place, and you need one sperm

2:19:23of sufficient quality in the right time and place

2:19:26in order to get successful fertilization and hopefully

2:19:28pregnancy.

2:19:29But you need a lot of sperm in order

2:19:34to get a high probability that that one sperm will

2:19:38be able to successfully fertilize the egg.

2:19:40So we have this image of sperm as these dumb operators

2:19:43that just sort of swim mindlessly towards anything.

2:19:46And if they bump into an egg, then they fertilize the egg.

2:19:49And that's really not the way it works.

2:19:50As I talked about earlier, the sperm--

2:19:52with its head, its mid region, its tail,

2:19:54chock a block with mitochondria in the mid region--

2:19:57is really an active motile cell that indeed will just

2:20:01swim forward, if it's a healthy, forward progressing sperm.

2:20:04But many males out there just simply

2:20:07do not have any knowledge of how many quality

2:20:10sperm that they happen to have.

2:20:11Now, given the fact that sperm analysis

2:20:13is relatively inexpensive and also the fact that freezing

2:20:17sperm is relatively inexpensive, I

2:20:19think it stands to reason that most men should at least get

2:20:22some window into the number and quality of their sperm.

2:20:25Now, it's a fair assumption to say that if someone

2:20:27is in their late teens or early 20s or 30s

2:20:31that they probably have high-quality sperm.

2:20:33But again, as with the egg and the importance

2:20:36of measuring AMH and follicle count across time,

2:20:39men should really evaluate the quality and number

2:20:42of their sperm.

2:20:42And we talked a little bit earlier

2:20:44about some of the parameters that urologists and OB/GYNs

2:20:47like to see when evaluating sperm.

2:20:50There's a minimum number or concentration of sperm

2:20:53that they'd like to see if a couple is going to use

2:20:56IVF, in-vitro fertilization.

2:20:58And typically that's going to be about 15 to 20 million

2:21:00per mil of sperm or semen.

2:21:03And typically they want to see somewhere between 2 and 5

2:21:06milliliters of semen, overall, in a given

2:21:09ejaculate after a 72 to 48 hour abstinence period, because,

2:21:14of course, the more ejaculations,

2:21:15the smaller the volume of the ejaculate

2:21:19in a short period of time.

2:21:21But after 48 to 72 hours, you more or less

2:21:24maximize the volume of ejaculate.

2:21:26And then, of course, they want to see 50% but typically

2:21:2960% or more of motile sperm in order to get IVF,

2:21:32but more is better.

2:21:33And of course, there is an enormous range,

2:21:35as I mentioned before.

2:21:36Some males will have anywhere from 10 to 20 million sperm

2:21:41per milliliter of ejaculate, and some men

2:21:44will have 100 to 200 million.

2:21:47But just because they have 100 to 200 million

2:21:49doesn't mean that all of those sperm are of high quality

2:21:51and can fertilize eggs.

2:21:52Sometimes more than half will be twitchers,

2:21:55and some will be immotile, and so on and so forth.

2:21:57So it's very straightforward what

2:21:59I believe most people should do and what

2:22:01the urologists I spoke to in advance of this episode

2:22:05said to do, which is to simply do a sperm analysis.

2:22:07Refrain from ejaculation for 48 to 72 hours.

2:22:11Give a sperm sample.

2:22:12Have that sperm sample analyzed.

2:22:14The cost of the sperm analysis is not typically that much.

2:22:19And considering that conception and healthy conception

2:22:22and fertilization is an expensive process

2:22:24if you have to go the in-vitro fertilization route,

2:22:27it stands to reason that the cost is pretty well justified.

2:22:30You also have the option to freeze sperm over time.

2:22:32There is evidence that the age of the father

2:22:35and therefore the age of the sperm

2:22:37can dictate whether or not there's

2:22:39a higher incidence of problematic pregnancy

2:22:42or developmental outcomes, including autism.

2:22:45That is true.

2:22:46You've probably heard that if the father is

2:22:4840 years or older, the incidence of autism

2:22:51is increased significantly.

2:22:52That is true.

2:22:53Although the overall probability of having an autistic offspring

2:22:58if somebody-- if the father, that is-- is 40 years or older

2:23:01is still quite a bit lower than you would imagine.

2:23:04It's not as if the probability suddenly skyrockets.

2:23:08So we'll have an episode on autism

2:23:10and genetic and non-genetic influences

2:23:13on autism and other aspects of the autism spectrum.

2:23:16But the point is this.

2:23:19I believe and the urologists I spoke

2:23:22to who are interested in fertility and male health

2:23:24and sexual health suggest that men

2:23:26get their sperm analyzed at least once every five

2:23:31years and certainly, if they're going

2:23:33to want to conceive children in the distant future,

2:23:36that they consider freezing their sperm because that, too,

2:23:38is fairly nominal cost in order to freeze sperm at a younger

2:23:41age.

2:23:42And of course, if you can freeze and use sperm

2:23:44from the time in which you were younger, why wouldn't you,

2:23:47right?

2:23:47I mean, you can still opt to go for natural pregnancy

2:23:50later if that's what you want to do.

2:23:51But having that in reserve is generally a good idea.

2:23:55And I discussed some of the parameters that are looked for.

2:23:58And perhaps most importantly, there

2:24:00is the possibility of an underlying issue whereby,

2:24:03for instance, there is very little sperm in an ejaculate.

2:24:09As I mentioned earlier, the seminal fluid in the ejaculate

2:24:11could have zero sperm in it, but the volume of ejaculate

2:24:14could appear completely normal.

2:24:16So just because your ejaculate volume is normal to you

2:24:19or is in that range of 2 to 5 milliliters,

2:24:22well, then that doesn't necessarily

2:24:24mean that there are any sperm there

2:24:25or that there are very few sperm there and the few sperm that

2:24:30are there or the many sperm that there are functionally motile.

2:24:33So get this analyzed.

2:24:34It's really worth doing.

2:24:35And again, it's not something you have to do every year.

2:24:37It's something that you want to do probably every five years,

2:24:40at least until the point where you've

2:24:41conceived as many children as you ever want to conceive.

2:24:43So the basic takeaway here is that, if you're a woman,

2:24:46to get your egg count-- your antral follicle count,

2:24:49that is--

2:24:50and therefore your reserve of eggs, indirectly measured,

2:24:54and of course also get your AMH levels measured,

2:24:57and if you're a male to have a sperm analysis

2:24:59and to do that relatively early.

2:25:01In fact, another incentive for doing

2:25:02that early is that you have a comparison

2:25:04point so that, for instance, if you are in your early 20s

2:25:06and you're not thinking about having kids at all

2:25:08or you're thinking that you might someday have kids

2:25:10but it's a really someday, someday, far off in the future,

2:25:13well, it's wonderful to have a reference point from which

2:25:16to compare your biology in your early 20s

2:25:19to your biology in your mid or late 30s or 40s when

2:25:22you might happen to be interested in conceiving.

2:25:25And if that doesn't provide incentive enough,

2:25:28I should mention-- and this is important to point out

2:25:30and that I think both males and females are not

2:25:34aware of-- is that one in five couples that have issues

2:25:38with fertility, the issue ends up

2:25:41falling on the biology that is the quality of the sperm

2:25:44or a lack of number of sperm.

2:25:46So I think there's a misconception that when

2:25:49fertility is an issue it's always an issue with the eggs

2:25:52and this age-dependent decline in the egg quality-- again,

2:25:56it's the best language we have available to us at the moment--

2:25:59this age-dependent decline in egg quality is often to blame,

2:26:02but not always.

2:26:03One in five couples that have challenges conceiving it

2:26:06turns out that it's going to be an issue with the sperm.

2:26:08And of course, there are a number of different sperm

2:26:09analyses that, should all the other parameters of sperm

2:26:12appear normal, now, for instance,

2:26:14you can get a DNA fragmentation analysis.

2:26:17You can see whether or not the DNA of the sperm

2:26:19are somehow disrupted.

2:26:20Urologists these days are excellent at figuring out,

2:26:24for instance, if a male has lots and lots of sperm,

2:26:27everything looks great, but the shape of the head of the sperm

2:26:30isn't quite right-- if it's not oval enough

2:26:32and it's too rounded, that could be a genetic defect under which

2:26:35conditions there is zero probability of the male ever

2:26:41naturally conceiving, regardless of who the female partner is.

2:26:44Believe it or not, males can have a ton of sperm,

2:26:47but if they carry a certain genetic defect,

2:26:49those sperm will be incapable of depositing those 23

2:26:52chromosomes into the egg.

2:26:55However, there are ways in which that sperm can

2:26:58be coaxed or forced to fertilize the egg

2:27:01and deposit its genetic contents by in-vitro fertilization

2:27:03and then implantation into the female.

2:27:05So again, lots of reasons to have a egg

2:27:08reserve analysis by ultrasound and AMH

2:27:10for females and lots of reasons for males

2:27:13to have a sperm analysis.

2:27:14And of course, typically with a sperm analysis

2:27:17and a ovarian reserve analysis will be a hormone analysis.

2:27:22And I'm a very strong believer in people getting an insight--

2:27:26that is, a window--

2:27:27into their hormonal composition, not just

2:27:30when they encounter problems but starting

2:27:32at a pretty early age, even if it's only done once every five

2:27:35years or so, having a reference point to your 20s

2:27:38and to your 30s and mid-30s for when you felt a certain way.

2:27:41Maybe, as in the case for many people I know,

2:27:44they actually feel better in their 40s

2:27:45than they did in their 20s because they're

2:27:47doing a lot of things to support their health.

2:27:48That is possible.

2:27:49But in many cases, people start feeling

2:27:51not as well or their fertility seems to be dropping off

2:27:55or any number of different parameters that we've discussed

2:27:57today were related to vitality and longevity seem

2:28:00to be dropping off over time, and they

2:28:01want to get a insight into what could be the issue.

2:28:04And hormones are sometimes, not always,

2:28:06but sometimes involved in those underlying issues.

2:28:09And there is nothing as valuable as having a reference point

2:28:13from a time in which things were going well

2:28:15to evaluate the, for instance, levels of hormones,

2:28:18not just testosterone but also estrogen and progesterone

2:28:21and so forth.

2:28:22So you need a comparison point in order

2:28:24to determine what really needs to be changed.

2:28:26So all of this is a strong push for people to use

2:28:30your insurance, if you're able to put it on insurance--

2:28:32oftentimes people are--

2:28:34and if not, to try and find a reasonable or reasonably priced

2:28:38way to do a sperm and egg analysis

2:28:42and to ideally do a hormone analysis as well.

2:28:45It's really going to set you up for the maximum probability

2:28:47of being able to conceive children when you want to

2:28:49and also to avoid a bunch of other health-related issues

2:28:52that involve hormones and reproductive health

2:28:56and, in general, to support your mental health and physical

2:28:59health.

2:28:59So I've been talking about a bunch of things to do.

2:29:01There are a couple of things to be mindful of to actively avoid

2:29:05if your goal is to be and remain fertile.

2:29:08And that's regardless of whether or not

2:29:10you want to conceive children in the future or not.

2:29:13Now, in the context of this discussion,

2:29:15the same things that we've heard to be

2:29:16true for other aspects of our health

2:29:18turn out to also be true.

2:29:20So let's just start with the basics.

2:29:22Everybody should be getting approximately six to eight

2:29:26hours of sleep every night.

2:29:27That should be quality sleep.

2:29:29Optimizing your sleep is fundamental to balancing

2:29:31your hormones.

2:29:32Now, balancing your hormones is kind

2:29:34of a catch phrase for all things related to proper hormone

2:29:36regulation.

2:29:38Sleep is the fundamental layer of mental health,

2:29:40physical health, and performance of all kinds

2:29:42and, believe it or not, fertility.

2:29:44When people are not sleeping well or enough,

2:29:47stress hormones, in particular cortisol,

2:29:49shift to peaking later in the day,

2:29:51and those elevated cortisol levels later in the day

2:29:54cause a bunch of different problems

2:29:56in both males and females, many of which impact fertility.

2:29:59So controlling cortisol starts with controlling your sleep.

2:30:03It also impacts testosterone and estrogen levels.

2:30:06So of course, the proper ratios of testosterone and estrogen

2:30:09will vary from males to females.

2:30:11But in order to get those right or as right

2:30:13as they can be without other interventions,

2:30:15you want to make sure you're getting enough quality sleep.

2:30:17How much sleep?

2:30:18Most people need about six to eight hours of sleep per night.

2:30:21Waking up once, maybe twice per night

2:30:23in the middle of the night and going back to sleep

2:30:25is not such a big deal, but six to eight hours of solid sleep

2:30:28would be ideal.

2:30:28Some people need a little bit less in order

2:30:30to function-- five hours.

2:30:32Some people need a little bit more.

2:30:33Developing teenagers and babies and kids need a lot more.

2:30:36People who are sick or recovering from injury

2:30:38need a lot more.

2:30:38We've done multiple episodes on sleep.

2:30:40We have a toolkit for sleep available free

2:30:43at hubermanlab.com.

2:30:44You go there.

2:30:44You don't even have to sign up for the newsletter,

2:30:46although you can if you want.

2:30:47Just go to a Toolkit for Sleep under the menu,

2:30:50and you'll be able to download that,

2:30:52or you can even just view it on the screen

2:30:53if you don't want to download it.

2:30:54It has lots of tools.

2:30:54We've done an episode called "Perfect Your Sleep"

2:30:58that has a lot of tools.

2:31:00They're all timestamped for you.

2:31:01We've done a "Master Your Sleep" episode, so lots of tools

2:31:03to get your sleep right.

2:31:04Get your sleep right if you are wishing

2:31:06to conceive and/or to simply have healthy biology,

2:31:09to be fertile, or otherwise.

2:31:11That's just fundamental.

2:31:12Now, there are other things to not do.

2:31:15And those, again, fall into the somewhat obvious categories,

2:31:18but I think a lot of people aren't

2:31:19aware of just how striking an effect these certain behaviors

2:31:24that you want to avoid can have in diminishing your fertility

2:31:26for both males and females.

2:31:28So let's talk about those.

2:31:29The first one is smoking.

2:31:30And when we talk about smoking here,

2:31:32we're talking about smoking nicotine

2:31:34and we're talking about smoking cannabis.

2:31:36And indeed, there are strong data--

2:31:38and I will put a reference to one

2:31:39of the better larger analyses of these data.

2:31:42There are strong data showing that cannabis

2:31:44reduces fertility.

2:31:45Now, I can already hear the screams from the back,

2:31:48although they're probably fairly drawled out screams,

2:31:52from the back of people saying they smoke cannabis

2:31:54and they had no trouble conceiving.

2:31:56Certainly, there will be exceptions.

2:31:58But whether or not you're male or female,

2:32:00smoking cannabis is a bad idea if you want

2:32:02to conceive a healthy child.

2:32:03Can you still conceive a healthy child while smoking cannabis?

2:32:07Probably certain people can.

2:32:09Many people will greatly decrease the probability

2:32:12of a healthy fertilization and pregnancy by smoking cannabis.

2:32:16There are excellent data to support that.

2:32:18As well, nicotine, both smoked or vaped,

2:32:22is going to disrupt the process of fertilization

2:32:27and can disrupt pregnancy dramatically.

2:32:29So just avoid it altogether.

2:32:31How does this happen?

2:32:31Well, it turns out that smoking increases what are called

2:32:34reactive oxygen species.

2:32:35This greatly disrupts the quality

2:32:38of the egg at the level of the spindle and mitochondria

2:32:40and a number of other features.

2:32:41And in the sperm, turns out that smoking doesn't necessarily

2:32:45disrupt the sperm directly, although it

2:32:47can cause DNA fragmentation, which

2:32:50can cause all sorts of abnormalities,

2:32:51can prevent fertilization, can lead to birth defects

2:32:54in the offspring.

2:32:55But more importantly, it increases

2:32:57what are called reactive oxygen species in the seminal fluid,

2:33:00in the semen that contain the sperm,

2:33:02this very, under normal circumstances,

2:33:04under healthy circumstances, beautifully

2:33:07orchestrated chemistry of fluid that allows the sperm

2:33:10to thrive in their trajectory and attempt

2:33:13to fertilize the egg and lead to a healthy pregnancy.

2:33:16So if you are a smoker and you want to conceive,

2:33:19the best advice I can give you is to quit smoking.

2:33:21And yes, that includes cannabis as well.

2:33:23Now, I am not somebody who believes that cannabis

2:33:25across the board is not useful.

2:33:27There are medical applications and other applications.

2:33:29I talk about that in an episode all about cannabis

2:33:32for health and disease.

2:33:33And notice, health was in there too.

2:33:34So you cannabis smokers, don't come after me with--

2:33:37I guess, whatever it is-- with bongs and pipes

2:33:40or whatever it is that you want-- or with vapes.

2:33:42The point is that, while it can be

2:33:44beneficial for certain populations,

2:33:46it's certainly bad for others.

2:33:48And if you're trying to conceive,

2:33:50it is bad for fertility and for a healthy pregnancy.

2:33:53Now, that's smoking-- and vaping, by the way.

2:33:57Vaping is included there.

2:33:59Now, the next category of don'ts relates to alcohol.

2:34:03Now, everyone has heard that drinking during pregnancy

2:34:05is a bad idea.

2:34:07You may have heard and some people

2:34:08have talked about the fact that there

2:34:10are cultures in which they allow,

2:34:13if you will, or even condone, sadly,

2:34:16one or two drinks while pregnant,

2:34:18provided it's just champagne or something of that sort.

2:34:20That is a terrible idea.

2:34:22I did an episode all about alcohol,

2:34:24both its potential health effects,

2:34:26of which there turned out to be zero.

2:34:28And yes, that includes red wine.

2:34:30It is far better to not drink at all.

2:34:32And if you're going to drink, the limit--

2:34:34if you're a healthy adult who's not

2:34:35trying to conceive, not pregnant,

2:34:36and you don't have issues with alcoholism--

2:34:38is probably two drinks per week total.

2:34:42That's right, two drinks per week total.

2:34:44And that's the level that you really

2:34:45should consider if you're a drinker if you're somebody

2:34:47who's trying to conceive.

2:34:48However, for a woman who becomes pregnant,

2:34:51the total number of drinks that you should allow yourself

2:34:53per week while pregnant and breastfeeding is indeed zero.

2:34:57There is absolutely no evidence that one can, quote, unquote,

2:35:00"get away" with drinking during pregnancy.

2:35:03And people say, well, I had a perfectly healthy child.

2:35:04But, of course, you don't know what the health of that child

2:35:07would have been had you not drank at all.

2:35:09Now, I'm not here with any generally strong stance

2:35:11against alcohol.

2:35:12I myself am somebody who has a drink every once

2:35:16in a while, although I don't consider myself

2:35:18somebody who has a strong proclivity for alcohol.

2:35:21And of course, at this moment, I'm

2:35:23not trying to conceive children and I'm certainly not pregnant.

2:35:27So that's safe for me.

2:35:28But frankly, I haven't had a drink in a very long time.

2:35:31And so I don't miss it.

2:35:32And that's me.

2:35:33But I do realize that a lot of people enjoy alcohol,

2:35:36and so it's that two drinks per week

2:35:38limit that really sets the upper limit

2:35:40and threshold beyond which you start running into issues

2:35:43with cellular mutation.

2:35:45You start running into issues of oxidative stress, greatly

2:35:49increase cancer risk, in particular breast cancer risk.

2:35:51All of that's covered in the alcohol episode that we did.

2:35:54You can find it at hubermanlab.com

2:35:56and timestamped if you want to navigate to specific topics

2:35:59and so forth, find out all about the data supporting

2:36:01the statements that I'm making, so on and so forth.

2:36:04Now, if you're somebody who's seeking to conceive or you fall

2:36:06into this category that some couples describe themselves

2:36:09as we're not trying but we're not not trying--

2:36:11meaning they're not using birth control,

2:36:13they're kind of letting chance run its course--

2:36:16well, then you should definitely be

2:36:18aware of the data showing that even just

2:36:21one bout, one bout of so-called binge drinking,

2:36:25which is five to six drinks in a given night or half day,

2:36:29in a 12-hour period-- one bout of five to six drinks,

2:36:32if you're a woman or you're a man,

2:36:35greatly increases both the likelihood of mutations

2:36:40in the embryo that would result from a fertilization

2:36:43and at the same time, for reasons that should be

2:36:45obvious to you based on all the biology we've talked about,

2:36:48a greatly reduced probability of fertilization.

2:36:51Now, that absolutely does not mean

2:36:52that you should use the ingestion of five or six drinks

2:36:55as a method of birth control.

2:36:57That is not what I'm saying here.

2:36:58What I'm saying is that, if you go out on a given night

2:37:02and you have five or six drinks and you happen

2:37:04to become pregnant, the probability

2:37:06that that pregnancy will be disrupted in some way

2:37:10is greatly increased.

2:37:11What the exact consequences are, no one can tell you.

2:37:15But also, if you're somebody who is interested in conceiving

2:37:19a child, well, then you absolutely

2:37:21should abstain from ingesting drinks more than one or two

2:37:25during the time in which you're trying to conceive,

2:37:28and ideally it would be zero.

2:37:29And you certainly would want to avoid drinking

2:37:32multiple drinks per night.

2:37:33And so this idea of going out and having three or four drinks

2:37:36or four or five drinks in a given

2:37:38night at a time in which you're also

2:37:41trying to conceive children, the biology tells us,

2:37:44the epidemiology tells us that this is just a terrible idea.

2:37:47It's going to reduce the likelihood of fertility

2:37:50and successful pregnancy.

2:37:51And if there is a successful pregnancy,

2:37:53the word "success" needs to be in quotes, right?

2:37:56I mean, I think every parent--

2:37:58every species, for that matter-- wants

2:38:00to increase the probability of having healthy offspring.

2:38:04And so, to my mind anyway and to the OB/GYNs and the urologists

2:38:08that are focused on fertility that I spoke to,

2:38:10everyone will say, try as hard as you

2:38:13can to avoid these so-called binge drinking episodes.

2:38:16And again, these episodes are one night

2:38:18of consuming five to six drinks.

2:38:19Now, another important thing to remember in this context

2:38:22is that the negative effects of consuming five or six drinks

2:38:25in a given night extend over many weeks following

2:38:29the ingestion of that alcohol.

2:38:31If you're a male, what that means

2:38:34is that's going to impact the quality of your sperm

2:38:37and greatly decrease the likelihood

2:38:39of successful fertilization and/or healthy pregnancy

2:38:44over the period of that entire spermatogenesis window, which

2:38:48is, as we talked about before, 60 to 90 days, 60 to generate

2:38:52the sperm and then some additional time for the sperm

2:38:54to be transported to the point where they could be ejaculated.

2:38:58If you're a woman and you have five or six drinks on a given

2:39:00night, well, then you are going to disrupt the quality not

2:39:04of just the egg that eventually ovulates

2:39:06but indeed the entire pool of follicles that

2:39:09leaves the ovarian vault in reserve

2:39:11and from which the one egg will be selected.

2:39:13In other words, you are reducing the quality of all of the eggs

2:39:18that you happen to deploy that month.

2:39:20Now, some of you who were really following the biology earlier

2:39:22might say, well, what if I have those five or six

2:39:24drinks during the time in which I'm menstruating, just in which

2:39:28there's bleeding present?

2:39:29And therefore, I haven't yet ovulated.

2:39:32Ah!

2:39:33But if you remember the biology we talked about earlier

2:39:35specifically, there is a subset of follicles and eggs

2:39:39that leave that ovarian reserve quite a bit before that one egg

2:39:44is selected for and ovulates.

2:39:46And of course, there are all the different hormonal cascades

2:39:48and the general milieu of the ovary which

2:39:50are important and are being regulated

2:39:52by different hormones.

2:39:53And yes, indeed, the regulation of those hormones

2:39:55is strongly impacted by alcohol through a number

2:39:58of different pathways, through the regulation

2:40:00of the neurotransmitter GABA up in the brain--

2:40:02it's actually a lot of GABA and GABA receptors

2:40:04in the hypothalamus, the very region from which

2:40:06gonadotropin-releasing hormone, our old friend from a couple

2:40:09hours ago in this discussion, going

2:40:12to disrupt GnRH secretion.

2:40:14You can disrupt pituitary function with alcohol.

2:40:17Again and again, what we're seeing

2:40:18is that consuming more than one or two drinks per week

2:40:22of alcohol is really detrimental to the entire process

2:40:25of fertility and the entire process of healthy pregnancy.

2:40:29And that's true from both the male side and the sperm,

2:40:32and it's true from the female side and the egg.

2:40:34So my simple advice on this is if you

2:40:36are wishing to have a healthy fertilization and pregnancy,

2:40:40the best thing to do would be avoid alcohol altogether

2:40:43and, if you are going to drink, to really limit

2:40:45that drinking to one or two drinks per week maximum.

2:40:48So those are the major don'ts.

2:40:49Really avoid excessive stress.

2:40:51And I should mention, excessive stress

2:40:53is not just best avoided by getting enough quality sleep

2:40:55at night.

2:40:56Although that is the primary way.

2:40:57There are other ways to avoid stress.

2:40:58We've done entire episodes about this,

2:41:00and we have a toolkit related to reducing stress

2:41:02with very simple, zero-cost tools.

2:41:04Again, you can find all that at hubermanlab.com.

2:41:06And I should mention, if you want

2:41:07to find any episode or topic or timestamp,

2:41:10that website is keyword search available.

2:41:13So you can just go to hubermanlab.com,

2:41:15put into the search function "stress tools,"

2:41:18and a bunch of different links will pop up

2:41:19related to those topics, likewise with sleep, likewise

2:41:23with any number of different topics you

2:41:24might be interested in.

2:41:25So get enough quality sleep and thereby reduce stress

2:41:29and also directly buffer stress with real-time tools

2:41:31to buffer stress that I've talked about in the episodes

2:41:34that you can access.

2:41:35And there are ways to greatly reduce your overall level

2:41:39of stress, to limit any cortisol that's

2:41:41released to early in the day, which is when you want cortisol

2:41:44released, and not have it late in the day

2:41:45and so on and so forth.

2:41:47So reduce your stress.

2:41:48And as I just told you, by all means,

2:41:53do not drink more than two drinks per week.

2:41:55And zero is better than two.

2:41:56If anyone tells you, oh, well, there's

2:41:58all this resveratrol in red wine, and that's good for us,

2:42:01the data simply tell us there's not

2:42:03enough resveratrol in red wine to really have

2:42:05any positive health benefit.

2:42:06The data around resveratrol and health

2:42:08benefits itself is under question nowadays.

2:42:11Zero alcohol is better than any alcohol.

2:42:14Two drinks per week is the limit.

2:42:15Also, limit or eliminate or avoid nicotine and ideally

2:42:21cannabis, smoking and vaping, at the time in which you

2:42:24are trying to get pregnant.

2:42:26And certainly, if you are pregnant,

2:42:28avoid all of the things, as best you can, that I just

2:42:30described a moment ago.

2:42:32Now, there are a couple of other don'ts that are really

2:42:34important.

2:42:35One of the most important don'ts relates to STIs,

2:42:37or sexually-transmitted infections.

2:42:39Everyone who is sexually active should get an STI check.

2:42:42In fact, if you go to a fertility clinic

2:42:44or you go for sperm analysis or you go for egg analysis,

2:42:47almost always they will do an STI check,

2:42:50even if you happen to be in a monogamous relationship,

2:42:52even if you happen to be not sexually active

2:42:54and you're somebody who is seeking

2:42:55to use IVF with a sperm donor or something of that sort.

2:42:58Why would they do that?

2:42:59Why is there so much concern about that?

2:43:00Is it about avoiding giving birth

2:43:03to a child that has something like a herpes infection or HIV?

2:43:08Well, certainly that's one reason,

2:43:09but that's a down-the-line reason, because

2:43:11at the time when someone goes into the clinic for one

2:43:13of these sperm or egg analyses, that's well in advance

2:43:16of any pregnancy, right?

2:43:18The reason is there are a number of STIs--

2:43:20in particular chlamydia-- for which it greatly increases

2:43:24the probability of miscarriage.

2:43:25So chlamydia is one of those very insidious and cryptic STIs

2:43:30because a lot of people, both males and females,

2:43:32don't even realize that they have chlamydia,

2:43:34and then they can carry chlamydia

2:43:36at the time in which they conceive,

2:43:38and then that can lead to ectopic pregnancies

2:43:40and/or miscarriages.

2:43:41So by all means, get an STI check

2:43:43if you are somebody who's seeking to conceive children

2:43:46or evaluating your fertility generally.

2:43:49Chlamydia can also have damaging effects on the epididymis

2:43:51and on the various other aspects of male reproductive health.

2:43:55In the future, we will do an episode

2:43:56all about sexual health.

2:43:57This is not the time for that.

2:43:58But get an STI check if your goal

2:44:00is to conceive a healthy child.

2:44:02Now, the other thing that can have a very negative impact

2:44:05on fertility and healthy pregnancy is a viral infection.

2:44:10For instance, if a male has had a severe viral illness--

2:44:13and this could be any number of different viral illnesses,

2:44:15from flu to cold or any number of different viruses.

2:44:18Pick your favorite virus--

2:44:20in the previous 70 to 90 days, that

2:44:23can greatly diminish the number and/or quality of sperm.

2:44:27So that's really important.

2:44:29This is also important if you're going to go in and do a sperm

2:44:31analysis and you had a viral infection

2:44:33in the previous 70 to 90 days.

2:44:35Well, then you need to be aware of that

2:44:37because it could greatly impact the parameters of that sperm

2:44:39analysis.

2:44:40Likewise, for women, if you've had a serious viral infection

2:44:42in the previous 30 days, does that mean you should not

2:44:44try and conceive?

2:44:45Not necessarily, but you should talk to your OB/GYN about that.

2:44:49There are data showing that viral infection--

2:44:52in particular of influenza-- in the mother in the first

2:44:55trimester of pregnancy has some correlation-- it's not 100%--

2:44:59but some correlation with negative mental health outcomes

2:45:02of the offspring sometime later, including schizophrenia.

2:45:04This is some of the work that was

2:45:06done at Caltech a number of years ago

2:45:09and other laboratories, as well.

2:45:11Those data are still being built up over time.

2:45:13Again, it's not one-for-one.

2:45:15It's not causal.

2:45:16So if you did get an influenza or a cold or other kind

2:45:19of viral infection during the first trimester

2:45:21or any trimester of pregnancy, I don't want to cause alarm,

2:45:24but you should talk to your OB/GYN about this.

2:45:26The goal, of course, is to avoid viral illness at any time

2:45:29when you're trying to conceive or have a healthy pregnancy.

2:45:32But of course, sometimes people will get ill,

2:45:34and the children can turn out to be perfectly normal and fine.

2:45:38But it is something that you want to avoid.

2:45:39And it will impact your egg analysis,

2:45:42and it will impact sperm analysis.

2:45:44And one thing I found really surprising

2:45:46in researching this episode was that 1 in 25 men

2:45:51carry a copy of a mutation for cystic fibrosis.

2:45:55Now, some of you are probably familiar with cystic fibrosis

2:45:58as a condition that can cause issues

2:46:00with the lungs, the accumulation of fluid

2:46:02in the lungs or other tissues.

2:46:04Cystic fibrosis, in order to express

2:46:07that way of accumulation of fluid in the lungs,

2:46:09you really need two copies.

2:46:10You need two mutant copies or you need two copies

2:46:13of the cystic fibrosis gene.

2:46:161 in 25 men will carry just one copy

2:46:19and therefore will not have any symptoms of cystic fibrosis.

2:46:22But those 1 in 25 men will have defects

2:46:27in the architecture of the vas deferens, the duct

2:46:30through which the ejaculate needs

2:46:32to pass in order to eventually be ejaculated out

2:46:36of the urethra.

2:46:37And so what that means is that these men can

2:46:40have what appears to be normal semen volume

2:46:42but that they won't have normal numbers of sperm.

2:46:45And that's not because of a deficit in making the sperm.

2:46:48The testes can function just fine.

2:46:49The brain and the pituitary are communicating

2:46:52with the testes just fine.

2:46:53But that literally the passageway

2:46:55by which those sperm arrive within the seminal fluid

2:46:57and are eventually ejaculated is disrupted

2:47:00by the cystic fibrosis gene.

2:47:01Luckily, if somebody has just one copy of the cystic fibrosis

2:47:05gene and they're male and this is the issue,

2:47:08the vas deferens either can be repaired by a urologist who's

2:47:13expert in the surgical repair of vas deferens

2:47:15or sperm can be extracted from the testicle directly, which

2:47:18might sound like a painful procedure,

2:47:20but I believe nowadays, in talking

2:47:22with various experts on this, it turns out

2:47:24that it can be done with a minimum of discomfort.

2:47:26And certainly, if the goal is to have a healthy child,

2:47:29you're going to need those sperm,

2:47:30so you're going to want to get them one way or the other,

2:47:32regardless of the discomfort.

2:47:34Now, before getting into some of the things

2:47:35that you can do in the positive sense

2:47:37to increase your fertility, we do

2:47:39need to touch on just a few other things

2:47:40that you want to avoid in order to avoid

2:47:43diminishing your fertility.

2:47:44And this mainly relates to males,

2:47:46but it will also be relevant to females.

2:47:48And of course, when I say also relevant to females,

2:47:50I'm referring to the fact that, if it's a woman and a man who

2:47:53are trying to conceive, then she, of course,

2:47:56is going to be interested in her egg quality but also the sperm

2:47:59quality.

2:47:59And of course, there are women who

2:48:01are conceiving by way of sperm donor, through IVF or IUI

2:48:04or otherwise.

2:48:05But in any case, the need to understand and maximize

2:48:10the quality of both the egg and the sperm is paramount.

2:48:13So in order for men to maximize the quality of their sperm,

2:48:16as I mentioned earlier, does not seem

2:48:18to be a big difference whether or not they use boxers

2:48:20or briefs or whether or not they, quote, unquote, "go

2:48:23commando," they don't wear any boxers or briefs of any kind.

2:48:27However, it is important to keep the testicles cool enough.

2:48:30They need to be about 2 degrees cooler

2:48:32than the rest of the body.

2:48:33And there are a number of different ways to do that.

2:48:36As I mentioned before, avoid going in hot tubs

2:48:38during the period in which you're

2:48:40trying to conceive children.

2:48:42You should also avoid going in saunas

2:48:44during the period in which you are

2:48:45trying to conceive children.

2:48:46And if you do go in the sauna, you can bring an ice pack there

2:48:49and you can put it on the testicles

2:48:51in order to offset the heat of the sauna

2:48:55and keep the testicles cool while in the sauna.

2:48:58The other thing that you'll definitely want to do

2:49:00is avoid putting a laptop or any other hot device

2:49:03directly onto your lap.

2:49:04There are a number of different devices

2:49:08that you can put on your lap.

2:49:09You could put books or a box or there

2:49:11are these devices that are designed to dispel

2:49:13the heat from the laptop.

2:49:14I would say, if you're trying to conceive,

2:49:16just keep the laptop off of your lap.

2:49:17Just put it on a table or standing desk or whatever.

2:49:20Just keep it off of your lap.

2:49:22Also, there are some really interesting data

2:49:24showing that the amount of time that men spend sitting,

2:49:27regardless of whether or not they sit

2:49:28with their ankle on their opposite knee or with knees

2:49:33spread, the classic man spread stance, or any other kind

2:49:37of seated stance is going to increase

2:49:39the temperature of the scrotum for reasons that

2:49:42are somewhat obvious if you think

2:49:44about the architecture of all this.

2:49:45I think both men and women, if you put enough thought to it,

2:49:47you go, oh yeah, that would increase the temperature.

2:49:49Obviously avoid seat heaters in cars or otherwise.

2:49:53But reducing the total amount of time that you spend seated

2:49:57is really important if you want to keep the temperature

2:50:00milieu of the scrotum optimal for sperm quality

2:50:03and fertilization.

2:50:04And as I mentioned earlier, it's going

2:50:05to be important to make sure that your legs are not

2:50:08really big to the point where they are creating

2:50:11a hotter than is healthy environment for the scrotum

2:50:15and testicles.

2:50:16So a hotter than normal environment for the testicles

2:50:19can be caused by legs that are very large,

2:50:21upper thighs that are very large due to obesity or due

2:50:25to those upper thighs being too muscular.

2:50:27So by all means, don't skip leg day.

2:50:29But be aware that if you're somebody who's

2:50:30trying to conceive, you want to do whatever

2:50:32you can to reduce the temperature of the scrotum

2:50:36or at least not let it get too hot for too long.

2:50:40So I can think of all sorts of reasons

2:50:43now that men are going to come up with

2:50:44to do the man spread stance of their knees

2:50:47really far apart, even further if they have large legs.

2:50:50That's not a discussion we want to have here,

2:50:52and that's not really what today's discussion is about.

2:50:53Really the principle is what's most important, which

2:50:56is to keep the temperature of the scrotum

2:50:57and testicles lower than the rest of your body.

2:51:01There's a direct blood flow from the body to the testicle that

2:51:04provides blood flow.

2:51:05It's designed in a way that that blood pathway

2:51:09should be outside the body and as far away

2:51:12from the body as possible in order

2:51:14to get the temperature milieu of the scrotum

2:51:16and testicle correct for healthy sperm quality.

2:51:18Now, a topic that is sure to be a bit controversial--

2:51:21but it really shouldn't be because the data,

2:51:23at least to me, are very clear--

2:51:25is this issue of phone use and sperm quality.

2:51:29Now, this can open up a whole array of issues related

2:51:34to things like EMFs, and you've got people

2:51:36out there who have ideas about 5G and all of this stuff.

2:51:40That is not what this discussion is about.

2:51:42The discussion I'm about to have with you relates to the fact

2:51:45that the electromagnetic fields and the heat-related effects

2:51:49of smartphones can indeed have a detrimental effect

2:51:53on sperm quality and, yes, indeed, on testosterone levels

2:51:56as well.

2:51:57I'm going to refer you to a paper.

2:51:59We will link it in the show note captions.

2:52:00The title of this paper is "Effects of Mobile Phone

2:52:03Usage on Sperm Quality.

2:52:04No time-dependent relationship on usage.

2:52:07A systematic review and updated meta-analysis."

2:52:10This is the paper that came out in 2021

2:52:13and talks about the fact that phones emit a radio

2:52:16frequency electromagnetic waves, which

2:52:18are called RF, radio frequency, EMWs, electromagnetic waves,

2:52:22at a low level between 80 and 2,200 megahertz that

2:52:26can be absorbed by the human body-- we know this.

2:52:29This is not controversial-- and have potential adverse effects

2:52:31on brain, heart, endocrine system,

2:52:33and reproductive function.

2:52:34That has been established.

2:52:36Keep in mind, there is basically no controversy

2:52:39that radio frequency waves and EMFs

2:52:41can have a negative impact on biological tissues.

2:52:43The question is, how intense are those radiofrequency waves

2:52:47and EMFs, and how detrimental are those

2:52:51on those biological tissues?

2:52:53It's a matter of degrees.

2:52:54But there is very little controversy as to

2:52:56whether or not they have an effect on biological tissues.

2:52:58And I'm aware of absolutely zero data showing

2:53:01that they can have a positive effect on biological tissues.

2:53:03Since what we're mainly talking about now are smartphones,

2:53:06we want to separate out the heat effects of smartphones

2:53:08from the EMFs related to the fact

2:53:10that they are Wi-Fi smartphones or they're

2:53:13using cellular towers and Wi-Fi, one

2:53:16or the other or a combination.

2:53:18So there are a number of different things in the phone

2:53:20that could be detrimental.

2:53:21We need to separate those out.

2:53:22Why?

2:53:22Well, because you might have heard

2:53:24that carrying your phone in your pocket

2:53:25can reduce your testosterone levels and sperm count.

2:53:28And guess what, that is true.

2:53:30The data contained within this meta-analyses

2:53:33and other meta-analyses clearly point out

2:53:35that it can reduce sperm count and maybe testosterone levels

2:53:39significantly, but certainly sperm count and motility

2:53:42significantly.

2:53:43It reduces sperm quality.

2:53:44So should you avoid putting your phone in your pocket, certainly

2:53:48your front pocket?

2:53:49I would suggest yes, if you are somebody

2:53:52who is seeking to conceive.

2:53:53I'm not somebody who is going to stop using my smartphone.

2:53:56I don't expect anyone's going to stop using their smartphone.

2:53:58The question is, should you carry it in your front pocket

2:54:01if you're a male?

2:54:02I think, to be on the safe side, the answer

2:54:04is probably avoid doing that too much of the time.

2:54:07Ideally, don't do it at all.

2:54:08Then people will say, well, what if I turn off the Wi-Fi

2:54:12or I turn off the cellular access?

2:54:15Then is it still a problem?

2:54:17Well, it's a problem due to the heat-related effects.

2:54:19And then people say, well, I don't actually

2:54:21feel the heat of the phone.

2:54:22It doesn't get that warm.

2:54:24But the temperature effects of the phone, it turns out,

2:54:28are enough, even under conditions in which people

2:54:31don't report it to be uncomfortably warm, that it can

2:54:34change the temperature milieu of the testicle

2:54:36in ways that can diminish sperm quality.

2:54:38How much and how that relates to fertility

2:54:40and healthy pregnancy, not clear, but since we're

2:54:43talking about things to avoid, if your goal

2:54:45is to have a healthy fertilization and pregnancy,

2:54:49well, then, by all means, just don't carry it

2:54:51in your front pocket.

2:54:51Then people say, well, what about back pocket

2:54:53or what about backpack?

2:54:54Look, it's very clear that avoiding

2:54:57being too close to the phone is probably better for your sperm

2:55:00quality than putting the phone very close to your testicles

2:55:04or anywhere else on your body.

2:55:05But it's also the reality that most people are going

2:55:08to carry a phone nowadays.

2:55:10It's just the reality.

2:55:11I think the current estimates-- and it's discussed in this

2:55:14paper-- that 90% of the human population has a smartphone--

2:55:1990%, which is incredible-- the adult population, of course.

2:55:22Although a lot of kids have them, as well.

2:55:24So this paper goes on to detail a number of different studies

2:55:26and outcomes from studies.

2:55:27But basically what they find-- and here I'm paraphrasing--

2:55:30is that the data indicate that sperm quality declines

2:55:33when people start using a mobile phone.

2:55:35So from the point they start using a mobile phone,

2:55:37regardless of the usage time-- this is important.

2:55:39It used to be thought that it was four hours a day or more

2:55:42of holding your phone or having that phone close to your body

2:55:45was going to diminish sperm quality.

2:55:47It turns out that it's not related to usage time.

2:55:49That's even the title of the paper.

2:55:50It's just the fact that people are

2:55:51using mobile phones is reducing sperm count and quality.

2:55:55That's the reality.

2:55:56Is it entirely responsible for all the reductions in sperm

2:55:59quality and maybe even the reductions

2:56:01in testosterone levels that we're observing from decade

2:56:03to decade going forward?

2:56:05I doubt that's the case.

2:56:06Is it likely to be one of the major players?

2:56:09I've got my bet on the fact that it is based on the data

2:56:13that I've observed.

2:56:13And so if any of you would like to peruse

2:56:15the data in this meta-analysis, they're quite good.

2:56:18This study looked at 18 studies that include 4,280 samples.

2:56:22They were able to separate out the radio

2:56:24frequency versus the heat effects,

2:56:26and they were able to eliminate this time of usage variable,

2:56:30that previously we thought if you were exposed

2:56:32to a lot of cell phone contact, then

2:56:35it was far worse than if you were exposed to a little bit.

2:56:37Turns out, if you're exposed to any at all,

2:56:39you're going to diminish sperm quality.

2:56:40What does that mean?

2:56:41Does that mean that no matter what

2:56:42you do, if you own a smartphone, that you're going

2:56:44to diminish sperm quality?

2:56:46I think the short answer is yes, but that you can mitigate it.

2:56:49What might you do?

2:56:50Well, keeping your phone away from your groin or as far

2:56:52from your groin as possible if you're

2:56:54a male who's wishing to conceive and maybe even a male

2:56:56who's wishing to maximize his testosterone levels because it

2:56:59does appear that radiofrequency waves and the heat

2:57:02from the phone--

2:57:03so both of those factors, independently and together,

2:57:06of course--

2:57:06can disrupt the Leydig cells of the testes

2:57:08and the production of testosterone,

2:57:10and intratesticular testosterone is

2:57:12important for sperm production.

2:57:14The exact biological variables leading to all of these changes

2:57:17isn't exactly clear.

2:57:18But if you're like me, you say, OK,

2:57:20probably not a problem for most males to carry their phone.

2:57:23But probably best to not carry it in the front pocket.

2:57:26Maybe even avoid carrying it in the back pocket as well.

2:57:29Again, in the future, we will have an episode

2:57:30all about Bluetooth.

2:57:31We'll talk about various aspects of EMFs.

2:57:34It's a super interesting data set.

2:57:37And it's a data set for which there's a ton of controversy.

2:57:40It's really interesting, however,

2:57:41and there are more and more quality data coming out

2:57:44all the time.

2:57:44And I think, going forward, we are

2:57:46going to see that, indeed, there are some negative effects

2:57:48of smartphones related to both the radio frequency

2:57:51transmission and the fact that they generate heat.

2:57:55And in general, heat is not good for biological tissues.

2:57:58So any discussion about heat and sperm

2:58:00and how heat is detrimental to sperm

2:58:03has to raise this issue of whether or not

2:58:05cold is good for the testicle.

2:58:07OK, well, now there's a lot of data starting

2:58:09to come out about the positive effects,

2:58:12the positive biological effects, of deliberate cold exposure

2:58:16on different aspects of brain biology,

2:58:19such as the release of dopamine and norepinephrine,

2:58:22and on the biology of the body, to some extent metabolism

2:58:25but more so the impact on brown fat stores, which

2:58:27are good for us, so-called brown fat thermogenesis.

2:58:30There's a lot related to deliberate cold exposure,

2:58:33and we've done entire episodes on deliberate cold exposure.

2:58:36Again, you can find that at hubermanlab.com.

2:58:37We did a guest episode with an expert

2:58:39on the use of cold for health and performance

2:58:42with my colleague Craig Heller from Stanford Department

2:58:44of Biology.

2:58:45We also have a toolkit on how to apply deliberate, cold exposure

2:58:49for health for both females and for males--

2:58:52for sports performance, cognitive performance, mood,

2:58:54sleep, et cetera.

2:58:55You can find all that, again, at hubermanlab.com.

2:58:57Totally zero cost.

2:58:59Just go into the menu, go to newsletter, and scroll down,

2:59:01and you'll find those.

2:59:04When thinking about sperm quality,

2:59:06we want remember that excessive heat is bad.

2:59:08Now, does that mean that deliberate cold is good?

2:59:11Well, it turns out that one of the major causes of lowered

2:59:15sperm count and overall reduced sperm quality that's

2:59:20quite common is the presence of what's called a varicocele.

2:59:22A varicocele is kind of like varicose veins of the veins

2:59:26that innervate the testicle.

2:59:28And what it essentially does is it

2:59:31means that blood will pool in the testicular region.

2:59:36It can't circulate back to the body quickly enough.

2:59:38And therefore, the temperature of that environment increases.

2:59:40There are some other things that varicoceles

2:59:42do which can be obstructive at the physical level.

2:59:44So they're not just temperature related.

2:59:46It's pretty clear that using deliberate cold exposure

2:59:50can be healthy for the sperm because of the ways

2:59:53not that cold directly supports testosterone or sperm quality

2:59:58but rather because cold reduces heat.

3:00:01So you will find available online--

3:00:05I think they're actually called--

3:00:06forgive me, but that's what they're called.

3:00:08I didn't name them-- called snowballs.

3:00:09These are-- they're sort of like gel pack cold briefs

3:00:14that you can buy and men will wear for some period of time.

3:00:17I don't think you wear them all day.

3:00:18You wear them for some period of time.

3:00:20A lot of people are now using cold showers and ice baths

3:00:24and circulating cold baths or going into a cold ocean

3:00:26or lake for any number of different reasons

3:00:28I talked about earlier.

3:00:29I, myself, start every day with either a one

3:00:32to three-minute cold shower or a one

3:00:33to three-minute immersion up to my neck

3:00:36in a cold bath, cold water, circulating water,

3:00:40or a cold shower.

3:00:41I do that mainly for the psychological effects

3:00:43related to the long lasting increases

3:00:45in dopamine and epinephrine.

3:00:46But there are other data starting

3:00:48to come out showing that that sort of approach

3:00:51or similar approaches can increase testosterone levels

3:00:54and maybe even sperm counts, can reduce

3:00:55cortisol late in the evening if the cold exposure is done early

3:00:58in the day, so on and so forth.

3:00:59So a lot of interesting data coming out in really good

3:01:02journals that are peer-reviewed and so on-- in humans,

3:01:06I should mention, those studies are done in humans--

3:01:08to support the use of deliberate cold exposure.

3:01:10But again, if you're going to use deliberate cold exposure

3:01:13to improve sperm quality, can it work?

3:01:15Yes, indeed, it can work, either indirectly

3:01:17by increasing testosterone or directly

3:01:19by improving sperm quality.

3:01:21But both of those effects are likely to be indirect

3:01:23by virtue of reducing the temperature of the testicle

3:01:26overall, not because there's any sort of magic effect of cold

3:01:30on the testicle.

3:01:31Now, I have to imagine that a number of you,

3:01:33in particular the females listening to this,

3:01:35are going to say, is deliberate cold exposure--

3:01:38and for that matter, is deliberate heat exposure,

3:01:40like sauna or hot tub-- good or bad for the ovary,

3:01:43for eggs, and for fertility?

3:01:45Now, there are fewer data to look to, unfortunately.

3:01:49But what we do know is that deliberate cold exposure

3:01:52done in the way that I just described-- one

3:01:54to three minutes a day, ideally early in the day,

3:01:56through cold shower or immersion up to the neck--

3:01:58doesn't have to be an ice bath.

3:01:59It could be cold circulating water or even

3:02:02non-circulating cold water.

3:02:03And people will say, well, how cold?

3:02:05I should have mentioned that before.

3:02:06How cold?

3:02:08There is no way I can tell you exactly how

3:02:10cold the water should be, because for some people,

3:02:1260 degrees Fahrenheit will be exceedingly cold.

3:02:14For other people, 40 degrees is going to be more appropriate.

3:02:17How cold should you make it?

3:02:18If you're going to embrace these practices, you want--

3:02:21according to the literature, what you want to do

3:02:23is make it uncomfortably cold such

3:02:26that you really want to get out, but safe.

3:02:28You don't want to go into 30-degree water immediately.

3:02:31You can actually have a heart attack and die if you do that.

3:02:33So you want to progress gradually into the cold.

3:02:36So you don't want to shock your system too much.

3:02:39Although it is the adrenaline evoked by that [GASPS],,

3:02:41that quickening or shortening or elimination

3:02:44of the breath for a short period of time

3:02:45when you get into uncomfortably cold water that

3:02:47correlates with or is actually the reflection of--

3:02:50would be more accurate to say-- the release of adrenaline

3:02:52and then dopamine and so forth, which

3:02:54has been very well documented.

3:02:56So uncomfortably cold, but safe to stay in.

3:03:00And I cannot tell you an exact number that is uncomfortably

3:03:03cold but safe for you.

3:03:05It's going to differ person by person.

3:03:06You want to figure that out.

3:03:07Just like I can't tell you how much weight that you should

3:03:09squat in order to achieve some effective resistance

3:03:12training for the legs, it's going

3:03:13to differ depending on your strength

3:03:16and your prior experience and so forth.

3:03:17So ease into it.

3:03:18Be safe.

3:03:19But it does appear that both for men,

3:03:21for reasons I talked about a few minutes ago, and for women

3:03:25that deliberate, cold exposure can be beneficial

3:03:28for fertility and for hormone production,

3:03:31but in particular for females in terms of regulating cortisol

3:03:35and for hormone production.

3:03:36Now, you might say, OK, getting into cold is stressful.

3:03:38How can that be helpful for regulating stress?

3:03:40Well, it turns out, when you get into the cold,

3:03:42you get a big surge in adrenaline

3:03:43and then dopamine, which is very long lasting,

3:03:45provided that's done in the early part of the day.

3:03:47So I would say, not too close to sleep.

3:03:50Then what you do is you restrict your maximum cortisol release

3:03:53to a period earlier in the day that buffers--

3:03:57reduces, that is-- the likelihood

3:03:59that you would have excessive amounts of cortisol later

3:04:01in the day, which not only can disrupt sleep

3:04:03but is correlated with a number of other hormonal effects that

3:04:07are not good for us and therefore

3:04:08not good for fertility.

3:04:10So here what I'm describing are positive

3:04:11yet indirect effects of a cold on hormone levels

3:04:16both in males and in females.

3:04:19So for men, we talked about increased testosterone,

3:04:21improved sperm quality that was indirect.

3:04:23You're reducing the temperature of the testicle.

3:04:26But it's not that cold itself is positively

3:04:28impacting those things.

3:04:29Does that make sense?

3:04:29Heat is bad.

3:04:30Therefore, reducing temperature is good.

3:04:32Likewise, with females, deliberate cold exposure

3:04:35can be good for the overall fertility process,

3:04:38not because cold is good for the ovary or being

3:04:41cold is good for the ovary or for luteinizing hormone

3:04:44or for follicle-stimulating hormone or anything

3:04:46else like that, but rather that using deliberate cold exposure

3:04:51as a way to restrict stress in a deliberate

3:04:53way to a particular time of day increases

3:04:56the release of cortisol, then, and indirectly reduces

3:04:59the amount of cortisol that's released

3:05:01at other times along the 24-hour cycle.

3:05:04So these are positive yet indirect effects.

3:05:06So if you're a woman who really is interested in exploring

3:05:09deliberate cold exposure or who enjoys it or is already

3:05:12doing it and you're wishing to conceive, great.

3:05:15Explore it.

3:05:15Do it safely, of course, but explore it

3:05:17and continue to do it.

3:05:18However, if you're somebody who just hates the cold

3:05:20and doesn't want to go anywhere near it,

3:05:21there's no reason to think that you absolutely need it,

3:05:23provided that your stress, your sleep, and other factors

3:05:25are all being carried out properly.

3:05:27The next things that we'll talk about

3:05:29in terms of positive things or things

3:05:30that we can do in order to maximize fertility

3:05:33for both females and males are the things

3:05:35that you also generally hear about elsewhere.

3:05:37Right along with sleep and avoiding alcohol and avoiding

3:05:41nicotine and avoiding cannabis, avoiding excessive heat

3:05:44for the testicle, avoiding excessive stress,

3:05:46is that you want to try to get enough exercise.

3:05:51Why would exercise have anything to do with any of this?

3:05:54Well, exercise-- and that is both a combination

3:05:57of resistance training and cardiovascular exercise--

3:05:59is going to improve the health of the mitochondria--

3:06:02in particular, cardiovascular exercise.

3:06:04And I realize that for you fitness experts out there,

3:06:06any time someone says "cardio," people kind of roll their eyes,

3:06:09like, what is that?

3:06:10There's endurance training.

3:06:11There's interval training.

3:06:12There's HIIT training.

3:06:13There's sprints.

3:06:14There's all sorts of different things.

3:06:16Some of those overlap.

3:06:16Some of them are separate.

3:06:18Indeed, that's the case.

3:06:19But we can use a general rule of thumb here, which

3:06:22is that, for most people, getting anywhere from 30

3:06:25and ideally 45 to 60 minutes of exercise per day

3:06:29for six days per week, maybe even seven--

3:06:31but most people like to take a day off or need

3:06:33to take a complete day off each week--

3:06:35six to seven days per week is going

3:06:36to be good for mitochondrial health and function.

3:06:39It's also going to impact all the other things,

3:06:41like quality sleep, mood, reducing stress,

3:06:43and so on and so forth.

3:06:44So exercise we can handle pretty quickly by just saying everyone

3:06:48should be doing it.

3:06:49Now, when people are pregnant, they might have to, of course,

3:06:52change the amount of exercise or the type of exercise

3:06:55that they're doing.

3:06:55There are varying opinions on that,

3:06:57but certainly the type of exercise and the amount

3:07:00can vary when people are pregnant.

3:07:01But if you're seeking to conceive,

3:07:03getting enough exercise is good because it's

3:07:05good for the mitochondria.

3:07:06The mitochondria are present in that mid region of the sperm.

3:07:10And mitochondria are critical for chromosomal segregation

3:07:14and the spindle and other aspects

3:07:16of the formation of a healthy egg, ovulation,

3:07:18and fertilization in the female.

3:07:20One thing that I know a lot of people

3:07:21are interested in nowadays is so-called intermittent fasting

3:07:24or time-restricted feeding.

3:07:26I mean, let's be fair, everybody is restricting their feeding

3:07:28time because hopefully everybody is sleeping

3:07:30at some point in the 24-hour cycle,

3:07:32and nobody is eating while they are sleeping.

3:07:35That said, many people are employing

3:07:37a so-called eight-hour feeding window or a 10-hour feeding

3:07:40window or a 12-hour feeding window.

3:07:42And indeed, there are some data to support the idea that that

3:07:45can be a good thing for a number of different biological and

3:07:48health parameters.

3:07:48However, there are also a lot of data,

3:07:51especially recently, pointing to the fact

3:07:53that your overall number of calories

3:07:55and the quality of your food sources

3:07:57is going to be the most important variable.

3:07:59And some people simply find that time-restricted feeding--

3:08:02intermittent fasting, as it's also called--

3:08:05is just a convenient way to ensure

3:08:07that your total intake of calories

3:08:09is not excessive for what you need.

3:08:11Now, with all that said, there is evidence

3:08:14that I've covered in a solo episode

3:08:15and will soon have an expert guest

3:08:17on showing that time-restricted feeding can have

3:08:21certain positive outcomes for various aspects of organ,

3:08:25cellular, and tissue health.

3:08:27This is somewhat controversial, but there

3:08:29is growing evidence that, by restricting your feeding

3:08:31window to, say, 8 hours or 10 hours or 12 hours,

3:08:34that it is better than if you were to eat over a longer

3:08:37period of each 24-hour cycle.

3:08:39But again, the data are still incoming.

3:08:41The reason we want to talk about time-restricted feeding,

3:08:44intermittent fasting is that a lot of people

3:08:46do use it because they find it easier

3:08:48to not eat at certain periods of their 24-hour cycle

3:08:51than to restrict calories.

3:08:52But again, keep in mind, you have to restrict calories

3:08:56if your goal is to maintain or lose

3:08:57weight, a discussion that we've covered

3:08:59in that episode on intermittent fasting

3:09:01and in the episode with Dr. Layne Norton

3:09:03and that we will cover in other episodes in the future.

3:09:08So refer to those episodes at hubermanlab.com

3:09:10if you would like to learn more about intermittent fasting,

3:09:13per se.

3:09:14For sake of this conversation, a number of people

3:09:16are probably asking, if I restrict my feeding

3:09:19to a certain window each 24 hours because that's

3:09:22what's convenient or because I'm excited

3:09:24about the potential positive effects

3:09:26of intermittent fasting, is that going

3:09:29to disrupt the likelihood of fertility and thereby

3:09:33a healthy pregnancy?

3:09:34And the short answer to that is, if you are a female

3:09:37and you are having regular menstrual cycles that

3:09:39is a fairly consistent duration--

3:09:42so maybe it's 21 days, maybe it's

3:09:4435, or anywhere in between, but it's

3:09:45fairly consistent from month to month--

3:09:47and you are following intermittent fasting,

3:09:49time-restricted feeding, well, then

3:09:51chances are pretty good that it's not

3:09:53disrupting your fertility and likelihood of fertilization

3:09:57and a healthy pregnancy.

3:09:58Of course, during pregnancy, you need to talk to your doctor

3:10:01and make sure that you're eating in a way that's

3:10:03supportive both of you and of the developing fetus.

3:10:06That's extremely important.

3:10:07I am not aware of data exploring,

3:10:10in a regimented way, time-restricted feeding

3:10:13during pregnancy.

3:10:14So please, please, please, if you're pregnant,

3:10:16do not jump on a time-restricted feeding,

3:10:18so-called intermittent fasting diet.

3:10:19Talk to your OB/GYN.

3:10:22Talk to your doctor.

3:10:23Talk to multiple doctors, for that matter,

3:10:25before doing anything like that, because, of course,

3:10:28you're now eating for two, or if you have twins in there,

3:10:30you're eating for three.

3:10:32Very important.

3:10:33If, however, you're not yet pregnant

3:10:34and you want to be fertile, get pregnant, or simply maintain

3:10:39a fertile potential and biology and you're

3:10:42following intermittent fasting, it's

3:10:44going to be the regularity of those periods and regularity

3:10:47of cycle length that will tell you whether or not

3:10:49that's a good idea or not.

3:10:51Keeping in mind, of course, that if your total number

3:10:54of calories is too low, your periods will cease.

3:10:57That's a well-known effect.

3:10:59But of course, stress can also induce

3:11:02cessation of menstruation.

3:11:05And there are other factors that can induce cessation

3:11:07of menstruation as well.

3:11:09Some of them start with changes in the brain, literally,

3:11:12in the hypothalamus.

3:11:13Some occur in the pituitary.

3:11:14Many lifestyle factors can do that.

3:11:17But most typically, it's going to be

3:11:19excessive caloric restriction or it's

3:11:21going to be a caloric deficit brought on

3:11:24by excess physical activity.

3:11:26So even if someone's eating a lot,

3:11:28if they're not eating enough to offset their physical activity

3:11:32or they're not eating enough of, in particular,

3:11:34fats, the essential fatty acids and protein,

3:11:37but also carbohydrates, well, then menstruation can cease.

3:11:40And of course, if menstruation is ceasing,

3:11:41chances are, almost with certainty,

3:11:44that you're not getting regular ovulations.

3:11:46Now, in terms of males and whether or not

3:11:48intermittent fasting is going to disrupt

3:11:49spermatogenesis and testosterone production,

3:11:53there's essentially no data we can look to.

3:11:56But we can look to the general logic

3:11:58around the relationship between body fat, testosterone,

3:12:02and spermatogenesis.

3:12:03And this was something that was covered

3:12:05in a discussion I had on optimization of hormone

3:12:08health for males that I had with Dr. Kyle Gillette,

3:12:11who's a medical doctor and obesity specialist.

3:12:13Again, you find that episode at hubermanlab.com

3:12:16if you want to learn all about hormone optimization in males.

3:12:19And essentially, the story is as follows.

3:12:21If a male is excessively overweight,

3:12:24he's carrying too much body fat in particular, not too

3:12:27much muscle--

3:12:27although that can be an issue too,

3:12:29but too much body fat is typically the issue--

3:12:31so more than, say, 20% body fat--

3:12:35well, then losing body fat is going

3:12:38to be the primary goal for maximizing testosterone, sperm

3:12:41health, and spermatogenesis.

3:12:43If, however, a male is already lean, well, then actually

3:12:47increasing calories will increase testosterone.

3:12:51So it's a bit of a complicated story,

3:12:53although not so complicated that none of us can understand it.

3:12:56Basically, if you're overweight, you

3:12:58should focus on losing weight in order to maximize sperm quality

3:13:00and health.

3:13:01If you are very lean, well, then restricting your calories

3:13:05to the point where you are starting to lose weight

3:13:07or you're dropping even more body fat

3:13:10is unlikely to increase your testosterone further.

3:13:13It doesn't necessarily mean it's bad

3:13:15or that you shouldn't try and go, for instance,

3:13:17from 15% to 10% body fat.

3:13:19I'm not saying that that's bad and that

3:13:20will reduce your testosterone.

3:13:22But in general, if you're already

3:13:23very lean-- so 10% body fat, 5% body

3:13:26fat-- and you start restricting calories further,

3:13:28your testosterone levels will drop.

3:13:30So in the context of intermittent fasting,

3:13:32it's really not an issue of whether or not

3:13:34your feeding window is 8 hours or 12 hours.

3:13:36It's really an issue of whether or not

3:13:38you're getting enough calories to offset the physical demands

3:13:40and activities of your life, whether or not

3:13:43you're on a maintenance diet to maintain your weight.

3:13:45And of course, you have to put all that in the context of

3:13:47whether or not you're overweight or lean to begin with.

3:13:49The simple thing to take away from this

3:13:51is, if you're a male who's using--

3:13:53because you like it-- intermittent fasting,

3:13:55so-called time-restricted feeding,

3:13:56and you're following an eight hour or maybe even

3:13:59a one meal per day type approach--

3:14:00although I don't really recommend

3:14:02that for a number of reasons we could talk about separately.

3:14:04If you're eating over the course of 8 or 10 or 12 hours per day

3:14:07because that's what works for you and you are ingesting

3:14:10enough calories to maintain your weight if you're already

3:14:13lean or you are ingesting fewer calories

3:14:18than you are burning in order to lose weight because you are

3:14:21already overweight and you want to lose body fat,

3:14:24you're probably optimizing for all the things

3:14:26that you need to do in order to improve sperm quality

3:14:28and testosterone levels.

3:14:30Now, also in that episode that I did

3:14:32with Dr. Kyle Gillette on optimizing hormones for males,

3:14:35we talked about testosterone replacement therapy.

3:14:37It's not a topic I want to get into in any detail right now.

3:14:40But I will say this.

3:14:41Remember earlier when we were talking about spermatogenesis

3:14:44and the fact that in order for sperm to be generated

3:14:46consistently every month ongoing from the time of puberty

3:14:50until essentially the time that a man dies,

3:14:54you need two things.

3:14:55You need testosterone production from the Leydig cells

3:14:57of the testes, and you need spermatogenesis

3:15:01to be supported by that androgen-binding protein

3:15:04coming from the support cells, from the Sertoli cells.

3:15:07So you need testosterone, and you

3:15:08need androgen-binding protein, and you need the Leydig cells

3:15:11and the Sertoli cells active.

3:15:13When men take exogenous, meaning from outside the body,

3:15:16testosterone, either by cream or by patch or by pellets or more

3:15:19typically by injection-- the most typical TRT

3:15:22approach nowadays is testosterone cypionate, which

3:15:24is biologically identical to the kind of testosterone

3:15:28you would make.

3:15:28Well, because of negative feedback loops, which you also

3:15:31learned about earlier, the testicles

3:15:33themselves shut down their own testosterone production.

3:15:37Why would that be?

3:15:38OK, so you're taking testosterone in by syringe

3:15:41or by patch or any other method.

3:15:43So the circulating testosterone and the amount that

3:15:46arrives at the testicle is going to be hopefully

3:15:49clinically appropriate, not super physiological,

3:15:51but it'll be somewhere in the healthy reference range,

3:15:54maybe a little bit higher.

3:15:55Nowadays, some people are going a little bit higher.

3:15:57So we're not talking about full blown, quote, unquote,

3:15:59"anabolic steroid use," keeping in mind,

3:16:01of course, that estrogen is a steroid.

3:16:02Testosterone is a steroid.

3:16:04But when we think about steroids,

3:16:04we mean like performance-enhancing drugs, so

3:16:06super physiological doses.

3:16:08We're talking about within physiological

3:16:10or near physiological ranges.

3:16:12So if someone's taking their testosterone

3:16:14in from an outside, exogenous, source,

3:16:18the levels of circulating testosterone

3:16:19will be sufficiently high that the pituitary

3:16:22will register that and will stop making luteinizing hormone

3:16:26and generally follicle-stimulating hormone,

3:16:28as well.

3:16:29And as a consequence, spermatogenesis

3:16:31is vastly reduced or eliminated.

3:16:34In other words, for men who are on TRT or who

3:16:38are taking testosterone from an external source,

3:16:41the number of sperm that they're going to make

3:16:43is going to be dramatically reduced.

3:16:45There are things that they can do to offset that,

3:16:47like taking hCG, human chorionic gonadotropin, which is just

3:16:50kind of a mimic for luteinizing hormone

3:16:52to stimulate the testes to continue to make testosterone.

3:16:56And some men will also--

3:16:58or instead-- take FSH to stimulate the Sertoli cells

3:17:02to support spermatogenesis-- excuse me--

3:17:06or both or some combination.

3:17:08Some people take clomiphene, Clomid.

3:17:10There are any number of different ways

3:17:11to bypass or offset the sperm-reducing effects

3:17:15of taking exogenous testosterone.

3:17:17This is a conversation that was covered

3:17:19in a fair amount of detail in that episode with Dr. Gillette.

3:17:21But just keep in mind that if you are taking testosterone

3:17:25from an exogenous source, your sperm counts will dramatically

3:17:29be reduced, unless you do something to offset it.

3:17:31So if you are wishing to conceive,

3:17:33you need to think about whether or not

3:17:34you're going to offset the testosterone replacement

3:17:37therapy or whether or not you're going to come off it entirely.

3:17:40So you'll need to talk to a urologist endocrinologist

3:17:43about that.

3:17:44And again, a number of these different themes and ways

3:17:47to go about tapering off TRT were

3:17:48covered in that episode with Dr. Kyle Gillette.

3:17:51So if you're on TRT or you're considering taking it

3:17:53and you're interested in having children,

3:17:55not just now but at any point, you really

3:17:56want to take these things into consideration.

3:17:58Now, I do want to point out that, for the number of you

3:18:01out there who are taking supplements, some of which

3:18:04we've talked about on this podcast

3:18:05and I've talked about in other podcasts, such as tongkat ali--

3:18:08it turns out that there are a lot of men and women

3:18:10taking tongkat ali to reduce sex hormone binding globulin

3:18:13levels, to increase testosterone and estrogen, in some cases,

3:18:16libido and so forth.

3:18:18Those approaches, meaning supplement-based approaches,

3:18:20to increase testosterone or free testosterone

3:18:25or some related hormones, are not

3:18:28going to shut down your own endogenous testosterone

3:18:31production and reduce the number of sperm that you make

3:18:33or, at least as far as we know, disrupt ovulation

3:18:36in any kind of way, provided that the dosages

3:18:38are within normal ranges.

3:18:39Again, supplementation to support your hormones

3:18:42should not disrupt ovulation or spermatogenesis

3:18:47or testosterone production.

3:18:48Quite the opposite.

3:18:49It should enhance it.

3:18:50What I just described around TRT as taking

3:18:52exogenous testosterone, that itself

3:18:55is an entirely different beast.

3:18:57Now, with all of that said, there

3:18:58are some supplements out there that

3:19:02include testosterone as a ingredient that's

3:19:05been snuck in to various formulas that include

3:19:09blends and things of that sort.

3:19:10You want to be aware of that.

3:19:11And we did an episode about how to develop a rational guide

3:19:14to supplementation.

3:19:16I highly recommend listening to that episode.

3:19:18Again, it's timestamped, available free

3:19:19at hubermanlab.com in all formats.

3:19:22Because it talks about which supplements

3:19:24are likely to be "clean," quote, unquote,

3:19:26to contain the things that you expect them to contain,

3:19:28there's more and more evidence coming out that

3:19:30a lot of supplements, including some--

3:19:31for instance, supplements that contain

3:19:34testicle or the extracts of testicles

3:19:36can contain testosterone.

3:19:38Whether or not they can shut down your own endogenous

3:19:40testosterone production isn't clear.

3:19:42No one's really explored that in detail.

3:19:43But based on everything we just talked about with TRT,

3:19:45it stands to reason that it might either reduce it or shut

3:19:48it down.

3:19:49It's just never been explored yet.

3:19:50So by all means, make sure that what you're taking

3:19:53if you're taking supplements.

3:19:54But again, the major point here is

3:19:57that, for both females and males,

3:19:58taking supplements to support healthy hormone

3:20:01production, including things like tongkat ali,

3:20:04is not the same as taking hormones or bioidentical

3:20:08hormones, which indeed can shut down your own endogenous

3:20:12production of hormones and thereby

3:20:13reduce both egg quality and the chance of fertilization

3:20:17and healthy pregnancy and sperm quality

3:20:19and the chance of fertilization and healthy pregnancy.

3:20:21Any time there's a discussion about fertility and pregnancy,

3:20:25there seems to also be a parallel discussion

3:20:27about sex determination.

3:20:29That is, what factors can influence whether or not

3:20:32the child that's born is male or female.

3:20:35That is, whether or not it has double X chromosomes-- so one X

3:20:38chromosome from mom, one X chromosome from dad

3:20:40because the egg was fertilized by a sperm that

3:20:42had an X sex chromosome, that 23rd chromosome--

3:20:46or whether or not the offspring is male, whether or not

3:20:48it has the X chromosome from mom, because it's always going

3:20:51to be the X chromosome in that egg,

3:20:53and a Y chromosome from the sperm that

3:20:56fertilized that particular egg.

3:20:57Now, of course, there are instances out

3:20:59there of people that have XXY chromosomes or XYY chromosomes.

3:21:04But the vast majority of people out there

3:21:07are going to have either an XX chromosome-- so we

3:21:12call that a female karyotype.

3:21:14This is different than genotype and phenotype,

3:21:16but a female karyotype would be XX--

3:21:20or a male karyotype, which would be XY.

3:21:24Now, despite the fact that it is the egg and the sperm

3:21:27and the chromosomes that they carry

3:21:28that are going to determine the chromosomes,

3:21:31there's a lot of lore and discussion about the factors

3:21:34that can bias which sperm will fertilize the egg

3:21:38and thereby whether or not you're

3:21:39going to get an XX, female, or an XY, male, chromosome

3:21:43and therefore offspring.

3:21:44Now, not only is the lore around this whole issue of sex

3:21:47determination rather prominent, but it is also somewhat unusual

3:21:52and perhaps even interesting.

3:21:53So for instance, Aristotle himself proposed

3:21:57that if a man is thinking about himself and his own pleasure

3:22:02more than his partner and her pleasure

3:22:06at the point of ejaculation, then

3:22:09the offspring will be male.

3:22:11Aristotle also asserted that if a man is thinking

3:22:13more about his partner and her pleasure

3:22:15at the point in which he ejaculates, well, then

3:22:18the offspring would be female.

3:22:20And of course, we have zero reason

3:22:23to believe that there's any truth to Aristotle's theory.

3:22:26There are no data to support that.

3:22:27In fact, I'm not even sure how you

3:22:29would run that experiment because you can't really

3:22:31look at people's thoughts.

3:22:33You'd have to rely on honest self-report.

3:22:36And even if people were to faithfully report

3:22:39what they were thinking about at the moment of ejaculation,

3:22:42this would involve, of course, bringing people

3:22:44into the laboratory and somehow measuring or analyzing

3:22:47their thoughts or gathering their thoughts

3:22:48during the sexual intercourse at the point of ejaculation,

3:22:52then figuring out which biological sex was

3:22:55the offspring, et cetera.

3:22:56Just near impossible and probably not the most important

3:22:59experiment to invest our time doing.

3:23:01Nonetheless, there continues to be

3:23:05a lot of lore about what determines

3:23:07the sex of the offspring.

3:23:08Most notably, there's a lot of lore and discussion

3:23:11and rumor about the idea that particular sexual positions

3:23:15at the point of ejaculation during intercourse

3:23:18can somehow bias the likelihood that a pregnancy will

3:23:22be either resulting in male or female offspring.

3:23:26Now, again, there are zero data to support this,

3:23:28and yet this whole notion of sex determination

3:23:31is a really interesting one that people

3:23:33seem to be somewhat obsessed by, so much so that, again,

3:23:37if you go online or if you were to talk

3:23:39to people in the sort of let's call it holistic

3:23:42or peripheral health spaces related to fertility,

3:23:46there is discussion about, OK, well,

3:23:47you take this sexual position at the point of ejaculation

3:23:50to get a boy and you take that sexual position

3:23:52at the point of ejaculation to get a girl

3:23:54or you do this in the early part of the day

3:23:56or the later part of the day.

3:23:58Again, all for which there is zero

3:24:00data to support any kind of systematic relationship

3:24:04between what I just discussed and the biological sex

3:24:06of the offspring.

3:24:07That said, there are now emerging methods

3:24:11that people are using in order to separate out the sperm that

3:24:17will indeed give rise to a male offspring

3:24:20versus a female offspring.

3:24:21Now, this, of course, is done in the context

3:24:23of in-vitro fertilization.

3:24:25We haven't talked too much about in-vitro fertilization.

3:24:27But in-vitro fertilization involves,

3:24:29as the name suggests, taking an egg and taking a sperm,

3:24:33pairing them in a dish.

3:24:35This can be done a number of different ways.

3:24:37But just to briefly describe the IVF procedure,

3:24:40IVF involves administering supra--

3:24:44meaning greater than normal-- supraphysiological levels

3:24:48of follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone

3:24:51during the follicular phase of a woman's cycle.

3:24:54What that causes is the maturation of not just one

3:24:58egg that would be ovulated but multiple follicles and eggs.

3:25:03And then ovulation itself is suppressed also

3:25:07through the administration of exogenous hormones.

3:25:10And then, under ultrasound guidance,

3:25:12an OB/GYN goes in and collects the mature eggs and follicles,

3:25:16puts them in a dish, and then sperm

3:25:18are delivered to that dish, and those could either

3:25:20be sperm that were frozen previously,

3:25:22or more typically or ideally, it would be live sperm collected

3:25:26that day that are washed through a very

3:25:29straightforward procedure.

3:25:31And then those sperm either are allowed

3:25:33to compete for those eggs and fertilize those eggs

3:25:35and allow them to advance to very early embryo stage

3:25:39before those embryos are frozen and eventually implanted

3:25:42into a woman in order to have them be carried to full term,

3:25:46ideally.

3:25:47Or there's a procedure in which specific sperm are selected

3:25:51because they have the best morphology, motility,

3:25:53and so forth.

3:25:54And in a process called ICSI, I-C-S-I,

3:25:57in which the sperm themselves are literally forced

3:26:01to fertilize that particular egg.

3:26:04Now, under those conditions, typically a couple or a woman,

3:26:10if she's doing this on her own with a sperm donor,

3:26:13will get multiple fertilized embryos

3:26:16that are carried to a multicellular stage

3:26:20so that it's clear that they could grow into a child

3:26:23if they were implanted into a viable host--

3:26:26sometimes the surrogate, sometimes the woman

3:26:28who wants the child herself.

3:26:30And under those conditions, it is

3:26:31possible to look at the genetic makeup,

3:26:33including the karyotype, of those early nascent

3:26:37embryos, in which case people really can select

3:26:40the sex of their offspring.

3:26:41That is, they will have some embryos that are

3:26:45XX, some embryos that are XY.

3:26:47It's very likely, also, that they

3:26:49will have some embryos that have karyotypes or genotypes which

3:26:53are not ideal in that they would potentially

3:26:56lead to a miscarriage or some other genetic defect.

3:26:58And so, typically, people do not select

3:27:01to implant those embryos if they have the option

3:27:05to implant embryos that are of either XX or XY karyotype

3:27:10and the normal chromosomal arrangements

3:27:13for obvious reasons.

3:27:16So the whole point here is that sex selection is possible,

3:27:20but only using in-vitro fertilization.

3:27:23The other thing that is becoming clear to us

3:27:25in more recent years is that sex selection is actually

3:27:29possible at the level of the sperm even prior

3:27:31to fertilization.

3:27:33This is an emerging data set, and this is largely

3:27:36happening in clinics outside of the United States.

3:27:38But there are some clinics that have figured out methods

3:27:41in which they can take a sperm sample

3:27:43and they can spin that sperm sample in a centrifuge

3:27:46at a rate that separates out the sperm into what

3:27:49are called different fractions.

3:27:50So for those of you who've done a little bit of biology

3:27:52with centrifuge, it's when you spin any kind of substance

3:27:55that includes multiple things in it of different weights.

3:27:58When you spin them, the things of different weights

3:28:00segregate out into different fractions

3:28:02along the depth of the tube.

3:28:03And then you can take out one fraction or the next

3:28:05simply with a little pipette.

3:28:06You take out the top fraction, the middle fraction,

3:28:08and so forth.

3:28:09And what these clinics have figured out

3:28:11is that if they spin the sperm sample at the correct spin rate

3:28:16that the sperm that will give rise

3:28:19to male offspring and the sperm that will give rise

3:28:22to female offspring segregate out into different fractions,

3:28:25allowing them to take each of those fractions separately

3:28:29and to apply them to eggs, if it's in-vitro fertilization,

3:28:33and give rise very reliably, certainly much more

3:28:37than chance, to either male or female embryos.

3:28:41They also, of course, can choose to do

3:28:43this outside the context of in-vitro fertilization.

3:28:46So some people are now opting to have their sperm samples spun

3:28:49out in this way, separate out the sperm that give rise

3:28:52to male or female offspring, and then

3:28:54to only use the fraction that they are interested in--

3:28:58so if they want a boy, they'll use one fraction.

3:29:00If they want a girl, they'll use different fraction--

3:29:03and then to use those fractions in the context of what's

3:29:06called IUI, or intrauterine insemination, which

3:29:09is, as the name suggests, rather than having the man deliver

3:29:14the ejaculate with his penis and the sperm with his penis,

3:29:16they have a device.

3:29:17The devices are now commercially sold.

3:29:19Believe it or not, they're sold over-the-counter

3:29:21and on the internet, so people will even do this at home.

3:29:24And so what they're doing is they'll take the sperm,

3:29:26and they'll do IUI in order to bias the probability

3:29:31that they're going to get a male or a female offspring.

3:29:33Again, this is something that's now emerging.

3:29:36It's not commonplace.

3:29:37Most of the time, people simply roll the dice, as it were,

3:29:42by having either intercourse and just hoping for or not

3:29:46caring if they get a male or a female offspring

3:29:49or, in the instance of IVF, selecting

3:29:51male or female offspring, sometimes largely

3:29:53on the basis of the chromosomal arrangements.

3:29:55So of course, some people might prefer

3:29:58to have one or the other biological sex

3:30:01as their offspring.

3:30:02But of course, the healthy chromosomal arrangements

3:30:05are going to be paramount for getting a healthy child.

3:30:08And as I mentioned before, unhealthy chromosomal

3:30:11arrangements or abnormal chromosomal arrangements

3:30:13often lead to miscarriage and/or birth defects.

3:30:16So selecting for healthy chromosomal arrangements

3:30:19is always paramount, but some people

3:30:21are selecting for biological sex.

3:30:22And indeed, some couples who can conceive naturally

3:30:27are opting for IUI in order to be

3:30:30able to select biological sex because of this ability

3:30:33to spin out the sperm samples to different fractions

3:30:37and select the male or female sperm.

3:30:39That is, the sperm that would give rise

3:30:41to a male or female offspring.

3:30:43So this is a rapidly emerging theme, believe it or not.

3:30:46Who knew?

3:30:48And of course, it has nothing to do with Aristotle's assertions

3:30:50about what people are thinking about at the point

3:30:52of ejaculation, nor does it have anything

3:30:54to do with body position at the point of ejaculation.

3:30:57But I do find it rather interesting

3:30:59that, even in this day and age, people

3:31:02seem to be continually pursuing new and different ways

3:31:05to understand why one sperm or another sperm

3:31:08happens to fertilize the egg.

3:31:11And when that information is not available,

3:31:13because, frankly, it's not available yet--

3:31:15we don't know why a sperm containing

3:31:17a Y chromosome or a sperm containing an X chromosome

3:31:20is more likely to fertilize an egg.

3:31:22And there are some ideas, for instance,

3:31:23that older fathers tend to have more daughters as opposed

3:31:26to sons.

3:31:26But when you really look at the data, it's pretty mixed.

3:31:29So if you've heard that before, it

3:31:31has a particular nickname that I'm not going

3:31:33to describe on the podcast.

3:31:34You can look it up online.

3:31:35But if any of you are aware of any other kind of ideals

3:31:39or lore, no matter how ridiculous or crazy, please

3:31:42put them in the comment section on YouTube.

3:31:44I'd be very curious to learn about those, mostly out

3:31:47of interest and curiosity.

3:31:49But, look, sometimes these outrageous stories,

3:31:52such as notions of body position and how they influence

3:31:55biological sex, even though they turn out not to be true,

3:31:58turn out to be interesting for other reasons.

3:32:00And in fact, next, we're going to talk

3:32:01about how body position during sexual intercourse

3:32:04can, in fact, influence fertility and pregnancy.

3:32:08So another common theme around fertility and pregnancy

3:32:11that you'll hear about is that, for couples

3:32:13that are trying to get pregnant, that during intercourse they

3:32:17should do whatever it is that works for them,

3:32:19but then after the man ejaculates

3:32:23that the woman should try and position

3:32:25her ankles above her head or somehow otherwise tilt

3:32:30her pelvis back in order to increase the rate and/or

3:32:34probability that the sperm swim toward the egg,

3:32:37as opposed to the other direction.

3:32:39Now, I talked to a couple of different OB/GYNs

3:32:42and urologists that are focused on fertility about this topic,

3:32:46and it turns out you get pretty mixed answers as to

3:32:49whether or not there's any validity to this idea

3:32:51that the woman's body position after the man ejaculates

3:32:54inside of her can somehow influence

3:32:57the probability of pregnancy.

3:32:58One group of experts told me that there

3:33:01is no reason for a woman to need to continue

3:33:03to lie down, elevate the ankles, or in any way

3:33:07tilt her pelvis back in order to increase

3:33:09the probability of successful fertilization.

3:33:12The other group suggested that indeed there is a strong reason

3:33:17to believe that tilting the pelvis back, maybe even keeping

3:33:21the ankles elevated, and having a woman lie

3:33:23on her back for about 15 minutes with the pelvis positioned

3:33:27at about 20 degrees back is ideal for optimizing

3:33:33fertilization.

3:33:33I mean, they were really specific

3:33:35about the recommendations.

3:33:36So I find this interesting that, within the cohort of extremely

3:33:40well trained MDs, OB/GYNs and urology fertility docs,

3:33:45and OB/GYNs, you see a split.

3:33:47It has nothing to do with whether or not

3:33:49the physician was male or female or their training

3:33:52or their institution, none of that.

3:33:54There just seemed to be a sort of even split between the two.

3:33:56Now, granted, it wasn't the largest sample size

3:33:58that I could have obtained.

3:33:59And yet I do find it interesting that there's

3:34:02this split in the opinion about this.

3:34:05One group, the group that said, no, pelvic position doesn't

3:34:08really matter, don't worry about it,

3:34:11it's not going to influence the rates of fertilization,

3:34:14argued that the sperm swim very quickly

3:34:17and that if they are released near the cervix

3:34:19they're going to swim very quickly toward the egg

3:34:22in order to fertilize it regardless of pelvic position.

3:34:25The other group said, well, yes, sperm swim quickly

3:34:30and even if they're released right at the entry

3:34:32to the cervix that the sperm still have a long distance

3:34:36to go.

3:34:37Again, if you were to scale this according

3:34:39to the size of the sperm versus the size of a human body,

3:34:42an entire human body, what you'd scale it to

3:34:45is the distance between Los Angeles and San Francisco.

3:34:47And it needs to undergo that basically within 24 hours

3:34:49or so.

3:34:50Although, as we mentioned earlier,

3:34:51sperm can survive quite a while inside

3:34:54of the woman's body-- maybe three or five days at least.

3:34:57So in both cases they acknowledge

3:34:59it's a long distance.

3:35:00But on the one hand, you have a group

3:35:01of experts that are saying the sperm more or less know what

3:35:04to do and are going to do it regardless

3:35:05of the position of the woman after ejaculation inside her

3:35:09and the other group saying, no, we

3:35:11want to do everything we can to bias

3:35:12the likelihood that the sperm will fertilize the egg.

3:35:16Well, setting aside the basic argument

3:35:19that tilting back at the pelvis and lying stationary or so

3:35:25for about 15 minutes after sexual intercourse

3:35:28and ejaculation is not an expensive endeavor,

3:35:33although it requires a little bit of time.

3:35:36And it forces people to remain motionless or close

3:35:39to motionless, and they're not up and around and moving about.

3:35:42Aside from that, it's a relatively low investment.

3:35:45So one argument is, well, if it could

3:35:47bias the likelihood of fertilization at all

3:35:50and people want to get pregnant, why wouldn't they do that?

3:35:54So that's a reasonable argument.

3:35:56But it doesn't really point to the mechanism.

3:35:58The arguments that point to a potential mechanism are that--

3:36:01if you recall what we were talking about when we talked

3:36:03about sperm quality, sperm quality

3:36:06involves a bunch of different measures,

3:36:07like concentration of sperm per milliliter of semen,

3:36:11morphology of those sperm, how many are forward motile.

3:36:14It turns out that in any one ejaculate sample,

3:36:17the total number of forward motile and yet fast forward

3:36:22motile sperm that are also of the highest quality morphology

3:36:28is actually quite low.

3:36:30And so the idea here is that you want

3:36:33to get as many sperm of the highest quality

3:36:35swimming toward the egg because those sperm stand the highest

3:36:39probability of fertilizing that egg.

3:36:40And in fact, this relates to some of the discussion we were

3:36:43having earlier about behavioral dos and don'ts for sake

3:36:46of increasing the probability of fertilization.

3:36:50And the one that is most important here is cannabis.

3:36:53It turns out that the data on cannabis

3:36:55really do support the idea that some of you

3:36:58may have heard from parents and teachers--

3:37:00I don't know, I did hear this from parents and teachers--

3:37:03that cannabis can disrupt the swimming styles of sperm

3:37:08in ways that are not supportive of fertilization,

3:37:11that it can turn more of the sperm into twitchers.

3:37:14Although when I learned about this,

3:37:15I was not informed of the word "twitchers."

3:37:17What I was told is that, if you use cannabis,

3:37:20that the sperm don't know which direction to go,

3:37:22that they're confused, almost implying

3:37:25that the sperm themselves are high on cannabis.

3:37:27Well, that's certainly not the argument that I'm making here.

3:37:31But it does seem to be the case that people

3:37:34who use cannabis, even once, the sperm that are generated

3:37:38during that particular month or two months during which

3:37:43or after which they use cannabis have

3:37:46less forward motility and possibly altered morphology,

3:37:50as well.

3:37:51I want to be very clear, I did not

3:37:53say that if you use cannabis once you are forever

3:37:55disrupting the motility and morphology of your sperm.

3:37:59I did not say that.

3:38:00What I said is that if you use cannabis once,

3:38:02then the sperm that are generated in the 60 days

3:38:05after that cannabis use are going

3:38:09to have a higher incidence of disrupted motility and perhaps

3:38:12morphology as well.

3:38:14Remember, sperm are continually generated every 60 days or so.

3:38:19And so if you use cannabis once, you are not forever

3:38:23disrupting your sperm.

3:38:24But if you are using cannabis and then you

3:38:26are looking to conceive in the next 60 days,

3:38:28you are going to be reducing, we think significantly so,

3:38:32the number of quality forwardly motile sperm.

3:38:36So the simple takeaway from this is avoid cannabis use.

3:38:39Although if you are going to use cannabis-- and again,

3:38:41there are medical uses of cannabis

3:38:44and beneficial uses of cannabis for certain populations.

3:38:46It can be bad for other populations.

3:38:48We talked about that in the Huberman Lab podcast

3:38:50all about cannabis.

3:38:51But if you're going to use cannabis,

3:38:53you should try and abstain from cannabis in the two months

3:38:56prior to the attempt to fertilize and get pregnant.

3:39:00Now, I'm not aware of any data on how

3:39:03cannabis use by the woman can influence the likelihood

3:39:07of fertilization and pregnancy.

3:39:08And I want to couch this whole discussion around cannabis

3:39:11under the umbrella of something that came up in the episode

3:39:13that I did on cannabis, which is that, for about half

3:39:16of people out there, male and female--

3:39:19so here we're not distinguishing by biological sex.

3:39:23About half of people that use cannabis

3:39:25report it as an aphrodisiac.

3:39:27It makes them want to have sexual intercourse more than

3:39:30if they don't use cannabis.

3:39:31And for the other half, it actually

3:39:33has the opposite effect by way of an influence on a hormone

3:39:36called prolactin, which suppresses

3:39:38the dopamine system, the testosterone,

3:39:40and the estrogenic system.

3:39:42And so this whole idea that cannabis is an aphrodisiac

3:39:45seems to be true for about half of the human population and not

3:39:48for the other half of the human population.

3:39:50So I mention that because I know a number of people

3:39:52use cannabis as an aphrodisiac.

3:39:55They like to use cannabis before intercourse.

3:39:57It was actually very surprising to me

3:40:00to discover when I researched that cannabis

3:40:02episode that approximately 15% of women who are pregnant

3:40:07continue to use cannabis during pregnancy.

3:40:10And that's a very alarming statistic.

3:40:12And everything we know is that the use of cannabis

3:40:16during pregnancy is detrimental to the health and particularly

3:40:19the brain development of the fetus.

3:40:21So that's a real concern.

3:40:23I highly recommend women abstain from cannabis use

3:40:25during pregnancy.

3:40:27Talk to your OB/GYN about it if you're using it all

3:40:30or considering using at all.

3:40:31So based on what I told you earlier about the fact

3:40:33that cannabis use is not good for egg quality and the fact

3:40:38that cannabis use can disrupt the motility of sperm

3:40:40and therefore is not good for sperm quality

3:40:44and it can disrupt the patterns of swimming in sperm in ways

3:40:47that reduce the likelihood of fertility,

3:40:49I think the take-home message is clear, which is that

3:40:52whether or not you want to be a cannabis user

3:40:55or not, if you are going to try and conceive

3:40:57and certainly while you're pregnant,

3:40:58you're going to want to avoid the use of cannabis.

3:41:00And that is smoked cannabis and vaped cannabis.

3:41:03And during pregnancy, the consumption

3:41:07of cannabis even in edible form or in tincture form

3:41:10is also going to be detrimental to the developing fetus.

3:41:12But of course, we started this conversation

3:41:15in the context of body position, in particular

3:41:18at the point of ejaculation, in determining

3:41:20the sex of the offspring and/or the likelihood of getting

3:41:24a successful fertilization in pregnancy.

3:41:26And I think that given that the tilting back of the pelvis--

3:41:30so again, this is elevating the pelvis by about 20 degrees--

3:41:34I don't think it has to be exact, exact--

3:41:36but about 20 degrees for about 15 minutes post-ejaculation

3:41:40inside of the woman-- or I suppose

3:41:42if people are using IUI, intrauterine insemination.

3:41:45Since that seems to be the consensus among those experts

3:41:48that believe that pelvic tilt backward

3:41:53can be beneficial for increasing the probability

3:41:55of fertilization and given that it involves

3:41:58no cost but a little bit of time seems to me that,

3:42:00if you want to get pregnant, that that

3:42:02would be the right thing to do.

3:42:03And as far as I know, there's no information

3:42:05nor was I able to obtain any recommendations from experts

3:42:08about what the ideal body position of the male

3:42:11is after ejaculation if the goal is

3:42:14to increase the probability of fertilization in pregnancy.

3:42:17So we've been talking about behavioral interventions,

3:42:19some dos and some don'ts that people can do to increase

3:42:21their fertility, and the likelihood that any fertilized

3:42:25egg will be carried to term successfully.

3:42:27And soon we'll also talk about things

3:42:29that people can take to improve their fertility.

3:42:32Now, keep in mind that this entire discussion

3:42:34is about fertility.

3:42:35But also remember, as we discussed

3:42:38at the beginning of the episode, trying

3:42:40to increase your fertility is one of the best ways

3:42:44to think about trying to create and maintain

3:42:47optimal physical health.

3:42:49So for people that are trying to conceive

3:42:51and for people who are not trying to conceive,

3:42:53optimizing your fertility status, whether or not

3:42:55you're male or female, is one of the best ways

3:42:58to target those approaches.

3:42:59And there are now a lot of data supporting the idea

3:43:02that acupuncture of all things can

3:43:04be very beneficial for improving both female and male fertility

3:43:08and, should a woman get pregnant,

3:43:10for improving the quality of outcomes-- that

3:43:13is, the likelihood that there will

3:43:15be a successful pregnancy that is carried to term,

3:43:19not premature, and so on and so forth.

3:43:22Now, for some of you out there, you

3:43:23might think, oh, of course, acupuncture,

3:43:25acupuncture has been known to work for thousands of years.

3:43:27And therefore, it's not surprising

3:43:30that it would assist with fertility and pregnancy.

3:43:33For many of you out there, however,

3:43:35probably thinking, acupuncture, that

3:43:36seems kind of like fringe science.

3:43:38But what I can assure you is that there are now

3:43:41quite a few clinical trials funded

3:43:43by government agencies, like the National Institutes of Health,

3:43:46showing that acupuncture is a very effective treatment

3:43:49for a number of different things,

3:43:50including fertility and pregnancy,

3:43:52but for hormone status, for stress relief,

3:43:56even for chronic illnesses of different kinds,

3:43:59including autoimmune illnesses.

3:44:00So this is no longer considered fringe science.

3:44:03In fact, one of the best laboratories

3:44:05in the world working on this is a laboratory

3:44:07out of Harvard Medical School run by a guy named Qiufu Fu.

3:44:10Qiufu's lab has really been exploring in a mechanistic way

3:44:14how the different stimulation sites that

3:44:17are used in acupuncture-- so where the needles are

3:44:19inserted-- tap into neural pathways that

3:44:21link the different organs of the body.

3:44:23So for instance, they've found that stimulation

3:44:26of a particular site on the lower limb

3:44:29can reduce inflammation dramatically

3:44:32throughout the body by way of neural pathways

3:44:35that originate in the lower limb and extend

3:44:37to areas such as the kidney and the pancreas.

3:44:39So all these, quote, unquote, "ancient maps"

3:44:42of the human body as they relate to acupuncture

3:44:44are now being parsed at the level of mechanism, which

3:44:47I think is wonderful because it not only is showing us

3:44:50that so much of what has been purported and reported

3:44:54in the landscape of acupuncture actually

3:44:56has an underlying mechanistic basis,

3:44:58and with additional mechanistic understanding, of course,

3:45:01always arrive new and better practices.

3:45:03That's the idea, to evolve these fields of acupuncture,

3:45:06to evolve the fields of mechanistic understanding

3:45:08of our biology and health.

3:45:10And so the issue of whether or not acupuncture can assist

3:45:14in getting pregnant and in carrying a child to term

3:45:18and for that child to be healthy are really

3:45:20starting to emerge in a major way.

3:45:23And rather than go into all those data

3:45:25in detail, what I can tell you is that there are

3:45:27clinical trials and data supporting the fact that

3:45:29female fertility itself can be supported

3:45:32by acupuncture through several mechanisms, one of which

3:45:36is the balancing-- and I realize that's a somewhat tricky term,

3:45:39and I'll define it better in a moment--

3:45:40the balancing of hormones across the ovulatory/menstrual cycle,

3:45:46including regulating levels of FSH

3:45:48so that they're not too high nor too low

3:45:50and restricting the FSH to the follicular

3:45:53phase of the menstrual cycle, as well as using acupuncture

3:45:58to improve things like blood flow

3:46:00and the health of the ovary itself

3:46:02and other aspects of the female reproductive axis.

3:46:05So acupuncture can operate at the chemical level, impacting

3:46:09hormones.

3:46:10It can act at the mechanical level,

3:46:12impacting the different tissues through which the egg has

3:46:15to pass and so on and so forth.

3:46:17Likewise, on the male side, acupuncture

3:46:19has been shown to improve semen volume, quality of sperm,

3:46:24sperm motility, et cetera, and in large part

3:46:28through changes in the neural pathways that

3:46:30innervate the very tissues and vascular input to the scrotum

3:46:35and testicles, because, as we learned earlier,

3:46:38temperature regulation of the scrotum and testicles

3:46:40is so vital for getting healthy sperm

3:46:43and increasing sperm quality.

3:46:45In addition, there are good data to support the idea

3:46:48that acupuncture can increase levels of testosterone,

3:46:51free testosterone, and the sorts of hormones that

3:46:53are going to support healthy hormone production and sperm

3:46:57production in males.

3:46:59And this is distinct from applying testosterone

3:47:03from an exogenous source.

3:47:04So when we're talking about acupuncture and increasing

3:47:06levels of testosterone, we're talking about increasing levels

3:47:09of endogenous testosterone.

3:47:11So those Leydig cells can support the Sertoli cells,

3:47:13and the Sertoli cells can make that androgen-binding protein,

3:47:16and you get enhanced spermatogenesis.

3:47:18You can find evidence for all of these different features,

3:47:21both changes to the chemical milieu-- that

3:47:22is, the hormones-- and changes to the mechanical milieu,

3:47:25including, for instance, improvement of the pathways

3:47:28leading from the seminiferous tubules to the epididymis

3:47:31to the vas deferens, basically clearing out the plumbing so

3:47:33that more quality ejaculate can be delivered,

3:47:36which, of course, is going to increase the probability

3:47:38of fertilization.

3:47:39So when you hear that acupuncture

3:47:41can improve the likelihood of pregnancy,

3:47:43that's an accurate statement for which there are now increasing

3:47:46amounts of mechanistic data.

3:47:48If you want to learn more about how acupuncture

3:47:50can be used to contribute to improved fertilization

3:47:53and pregnancy, there are a number

3:47:55of different excellent reviews on this,

3:47:57both as it relates to females and as it relates to males.

3:48:01One of the best papers that I happen to like

3:48:03is one that we'll provide a link to

3:48:05in the references entitled "Acupuncture and Herbal

3:48:07Medicine for Female Fertility, An Overview of Systematic

3:48:10Review," so a review of reviews.

3:48:13This was published recently in 2021.

3:48:16We'll provide a link to that.

3:48:17And there's also going to be a link to a review that

3:48:21relates to acupuncture for male fertility and hormone

3:48:24augmentation.

3:48:25I should just mention briefly that if you're

3:48:27going to look at scientific papers,

3:48:29one thing that you'll want to consider

3:48:31is also looking at the references that they reference.

3:48:33Now, of course, papers tend to reference a ton of references,

3:48:36in particular in reviews.

3:48:37So what you'll want to do is look

3:48:38for the references that are showing up

3:48:40most often in the introduction.

3:48:42Those references often are going to be

3:48:44the most prominent recent reviews or the most important

3:48:48findings in recent years.

3:48:49That's not always the case, but that's often the case.

3:48:51So if you read the first couple of paragraphs of these papers--

3:48:54and these are openly available as full text, by the way,

3:48:57online if you go to these links--

3:48:58you'll be able to access the best papers, the most relevant

3:49:02papers, in the context of acupuncture supporting

3:49:04female and acupuncture supporting male fertility

3:49:08and hormone status.

3:49:09Now, I'd like to discuss things that both men and women can

3:49:12take in order to maximize their fertility.

3:49:15And again and again, when we're talking about fertility,

3:49:19we're talking about people who want to conceive and have

3:49:22children, but also we're talking about a basic measure

3:49:26of overall health status.

3:49:28So if you're somebody who does not want to conceive children,

3:49:30I still encourage you to think about whether or not

3:49:33you would want to do certain things

3:49:35or not do certain things in order

3:49:37to maximize your fertility as a means to maximize your vitality

3:49:41and longevity, because that's really

3:49:42what maximizing fertility is about for a lot of people.

3:49:46That said, I know a lot of people

3:49:47would like to conceive children, perhaps not right away

3:49:49but in the future.

3:49:50And what I'm about to describe are

3:49:52some tools and interventions that is things

3:49:55that one can take in order to improve their hormone status

3:50:00but also, in particular, the quality of their eggs

3:50:03and the quality of their sperm in the short and long term.

3:50:06The first on the list of things that people can take in order

3:50:09to improve egg quality or sperm quality is L-carnitine.

3:50:13L-carnitine is present in various foods,

3:50:15in particular in red meats.

3:50:17But again, it's going to be very hard to get

3:50:19sufficient levels of L-carnitine to improve egg quality

3:50:21and sperm quality, the unless you're going

3:50:23to take it in supplement form.

3:50:25The typical recommendation, based on peer-reviewed studies

3:50:28that have shown significant improvements in egg quality--

3:50:30that is chromosomal arrangements,

3:50:33that is the likelihood of fertility-- or pregnancy,

3:50:35rather--

3:50:36the likelihood of sperm being forward

3:50:39fast swimmers as opposed to twitchers or immotile

3:50:41and having proper morphology-- all those measures

3:50:43has been demonstrated to be significantly improved

3:50:47by the ingestion of L-carnitine.

3:50:48How much L-carnitine?

3:50:50Well, that depends on how you're obtaining the L-carnitine.

3:50:52If you're obtaining it in capsule form,

3:50:561 to 3 grams per day of capsule form L-carnitine

3:51:00is what's been suggested to improve egg quality and sperm

3:51:03quality.

3:51:04Now, 1 to 3 grams per day can be taken all at once

3:51:07or spread out throughout the 24-hour cycle.

3:51:09It can be taken with or without food.

3:51:11It does not seem to matter.

3:51:13And when taken for a period of 30 to 60 days,

3:51:17it does seem to significantly improve

3:51:19all the parameters that have been discussed for egg

3:51:21quality and sperm quality.

3:51:23Now, the mechanism for that effect is pretty clear.

3:51:26L-carnitine is involved in the processing of lipids, fats,

3:51:31in terms of mitochondrial function.

3:51:34And as we talked about before, mitochondria

3:51:36are vital for the organization and action of the spindle that

3:51:40pulls apart the chromosomes, taking

3:51:42that cell within the female from diploid to haploid,

3:51:46which is essential.

3:51:47You really want just the 23 individual chromosomal strands.

3:51:51You don't want chromosomal repeats.

3:51:53It's also involved in the actual fusion of the egg

3:51:56as it exits the ovary and enters the ovulation cycle.

3:52:01Mitochondria are also important, as we talked about before,

3:52:03for the forward motility of sperm because

3:52:05of the enrichment of mitochondria

3:52:06in that mid region just behind the head.

3:52:08They cause the whipping flagellation

3:52:10of the tail, allowing for forward movement,

3:52:12as well as other aspects of cellular morphology.

3:52:15So it makes a lot of sense as to why L-carnitine supplementation

3:52:18would be beneficial.

3:52:19Again, it's 1 to 3 grams per day over a period of about 30

3:52:22to 60 months.

3:52:23If you're hoping to conceive in the upcoming months,

3:52:25recommend taking it for at least 30 days prior to that.

3:52:29Of course, based on the data we talked about before--

3:52:32cumulative probability, fecundability,

3:52:34et cetera-- there's no reason to not

3:52:35continue to try for pregnancy before taking

3:52:37L-carnitine, but L-carnitine is going to improve egg and sperm

3:52:41quality.

3:52:41And so you might actually take the stance that,

3:52:45even if you don't have any problem getting pregnant,

3:52:48wouldn't you want to maximize the quality

3:52:50of the egg that gets fertilized and the quality of the sperm

3:52:53that fertilizes that egg?

3:52:55So that's additional rationale for taking L-carnitine.

3:52:58One important note-- if you are going

3:53:00to take L-carnitine in oral form, in capsule form,

3:53:03it can increase something called TMAO.

3:53:06TMAO can cause stiffening of the arteries.

3:53:08You don't want TMAO levels to go too high.

3:53:10One way to offset the increases in TMAO caused

3:53:13by oral L-carnitine is to take 600 milligrams

3:53:16of garlic per day.

3:53:18I suppose you could eat cloves of garlic.

3:53:20That would work just as well because garlic contains

3:53:22something called allicin, which can

3:53:23offset the increase in TMAO.

3:53:26But 600 milligram capsules of garlic are going to be--

3:53:29or garlic extract, rather--

3:53:31is going to be the most probably cost effective and simplest way

3:53:36to do this.

3:53:37And also, they are going to create that garlic smell.

3:53:39Some people like the smell of garlic.

3:53:40Some people don't.

3:53:41So if you're going to take oral L-carnitine,

3:53:43I suggest also taking 600 milligrams

3:53:45a day of garlic extract.

3:53:47And you can do that at any time throughout the day.

3:53:50It doesn't have to be with the L-carnitine.

3:53:52The next item on the list of compounds that have been shown

3:53:54to improve egg quality and sperm quality--

3:53:57and quite robustly so--

3:53:58is coenzyme Q10.

3:54:00Coenzyme Q10 is something that you can actually measure

3:54:03levels of in your blood.

3:54:05Most physicians will say that they

3:54:06want to see your levels of coenzyme Q10

3:54:08to be somewhere between 0.5 and 2.5.

3:54:10It's going to depend on the units.

3:54:12Most people, I realize, are not going

3:54:13to run off and get their CoQ10 measured.

3:54:15It's not included in most standard blood tests.

3:54:17But if you were to measure your CoQ10,

3:54:19that's the range that you want to look for.

3:54:21That said, many people opt to supplement with CoQ10.

3:54:25And you'll find that many fertility docs, OB/GYNs,

3:54:28and urologists that are trying to assist their male patients

3:54:31with fertility will suggest CoQ10

3:54:32because, again, it supports the health of mitochondria.

3:54:36Mitochondria are so vital to so many aspects of the formation

3:54:40and fertilization of the egg and sperm that,

3:54:45of course, fertilizes the egg.

3:54:47The coenzyme Q10 dosages that are most often suggested

3:54:51and that you'll observe in the peer-reviewed research

3:54:54literature-- on humans, I should add--

3:54:56is 100 to 400 milligrams per day.

3:54:59And the coenzyme Q10 is taken generally

3:55:02with a meal and ideally a meal that contains fat.

3:55:05And there's even some idea that taking coenzyme Q10

3:55:08with your dinner, assuming that dinner includes some fat-- you

3:55:12don't have to add additional fat--

3:55:14is going to be more advantageous than taking coenzyme Q10 early

3:55:17in the day, although that's probably

3:55:19a detail that's getting a little too far down in the weeds.

3:55:21So again, 100 to 400 milligrams of coenzyme Q10 per day,

3:55:24whether or not you're a man or a woman,

3:55:26for improving the likelihood of fertility

3:55:29by way of improving egg and sperm quality.

3:55:31And again, if you're somebody who just doesn't have

3:55:33any problem getting pregnant or if you're already producing

3:55:36many sperm of quality morphology,

3:55:38this is another case in which you could take a step back

3:55:40and say, well, why wouldn't I want to further optimize

3:55:43the quality of the egg and the sperm,

3:55:44because the quality of the egg and the sperm

3:55:45ultimately are going to determine

3:55:47not just whether or not you have a successful pregnancy

3:55:49but are going to determine, admittedly in ways that will

3:55:54forever remain cryptic to you-- but nonetheless

3:55:56are going to be important in determining

3:55:58the qualities of the brain tissue and body

3:56:01tissue of your offspring.

3:56:02The third item on the list of compounds which are commonly

3:56:05suggested or prescribed by fertility docs

3:56:09nowadays for men and women wishing

3:56:11to conceive and/or optimize their fertility

3:56:13as a basis for general vitality and health is inositol.

3:56:17Now, inositol has many uses.

3:56:19So you'll hear about the use of inositol

3:56:21for reducing anxiety or improving mood

3:56:23or even for the treatment of depression.

3:56:25We talked about inositol in previous episodes

3:56:27of this podcast.

3:56:28For instance, I talked about inositol

3:56:31and in particular taking 900 milligrams of myo-inositol

3:56:35prior to sleep, which is something that I do,

3:56:37along with the other supplements that I take and recommend

3:56:40for sleep, such as magnesium 3 and 8, apigenin, and theanine.

3:56:44If you're curious about those, you

3:56:45can see our newsletter on sleep or our "Perfect Your Sleep"

3:56:48episode or the "Master Your Sleep" episode.

3:56:49It talks about behavioral and supplementation-based tools

3:56:52for improving sleep.

3:56:53But myo-inositol is not just suggested for or prescribed

3:56:58for people that are wishing to get pregnant

3:57:01and for general health.

3:57:02But myo-inositol is often recommended

3:57:05for people that want to improve egg and sperm quality because

3:57:09of the way that it can positively

3:57:10impact insulin sensitivity.

3:57:12Insulin sensitivity might sound like a bad thing to people

3:57:16out there.

3:57:16But it turns out that you want to be insulin sensitive.

3:57:19The last thing you want is to be insulin insensitive.

3:57:22Insulin insensitivity is associated with type 2

3:57:24diabetes, with obesity, and even for people

3:57:26who are not challenged with obesity,

3:57:29you want your cells to be insulin sensitive.

3:57:31You don't want a lot of insulin floating around in your system

3:57:34with your cells unable to use that insulin.

3:57:37That's really what insulin insensitivity is about.

3:57:40Myo-inositol, at dosages of 1 to 5 grams per day--

3:57:45that's pretty high, 1 to 5 grams per day,

3:57:47keeping in mind that 1,000 milligrams is 1 gram--

3:57:50has been suggested to improve egg quality and sperm quality.

3:57:53Now, one point of--

3:57:55I wouldn't say caution-- but of note

3:57:57is that myo-inositol can reduce anxiety,

3:57:59and it can be a slight sedative, which

3:58:01is why some folks, including myself, take almost a gram, 900

3:58:05milligrams, prior to sleep.

3:58:07If you're going to take 5 grams of myo-inositol,

3:58:10you would want to restrict that to the late evening

3:58:13or second half of your day.

3:58:14And I don't suggest starting that high.

3:58:16I would start with 1 or 2 grams and then

3:58:17working your way up, seeing what you

3:58:19can tolerate in terms of the level of anti-anxiety

3:58:23and drowsiness that it produces.

3:58:261 to 5 grams per day of myo-inositol

3:58:28is what's suggested for both men and women wishing to improve

3:58:32egg health and sperm health.

3:58:34But for women, it's also often suggested to include also--

3:58:39so to take myo-inositol, but to also take D-chiro inositol.

3:58:43D-chiro inositol has elements in it

3:58:46that can be both pro and anti-androgenic.

3:58:50Androgens are things like testosterone and related

3:58:52molecules.

3:58:53There are a number of different causes of infertility

3:58:56and disruption to egg quality, age being the most

3:58:59significant factor.

3:59:00But another significant and very common

3:59:03factor, even among young women who are of fertile age,

3:59:06is having too many androgens and as it relates to something

3:59:10called polycystic ovarian syndrome.

3:59:12We'll do an entire episode about menopause and PCOS

3:59:14and a number of other things that

3:59:16relate to fertility because it's an entire and very

3:59:19interesting other discussion that we need to have.

3:59:22But the recommendation is that women

3:59:23take 1 to 5 grams of myo-inositol

3:59:26but also D-chiro inositol because of the ways

3:59:30that it can balance androgens and offset some

3:59:33of the negative effects of polycystic ovarian syndrome

3:59:36or even for women who do not have polycystic ovarian

3:59:38syndrome because of the ways that D-chiro inositol can

3:59:41balance androgens in ways that are beneficial.

3:59:44The dosages of D-chiro inositol that are recommended

3:59:48tend to be 1/25 to 1/40 of the myo-inositol dose.

3:59:53So you'll have to get out your calculator.

3:59:54Remember, 1,000 milligrams equals 1 gram.

3:59:56So figure out, if you're taking 1 gram of myo-inositol

3:59:59per day or 2 grams, you're going to want

4:00:02to convert that to milligrams.

4:00:03So let's say you're taking 2 grams of myo-inositol per day.

4:00:07That's 2,000 milligrams.

4:00:08Then you'd want to divide that by 25.

4:00:10And that's how many milligrams of D-chiro inositol

4:00:13you would want to take, as well.

4:00:15Or you could go with the lower end dose and divide it by 40

4:00:18and take that number of milligrams of D-chiro inositol

4:00:23along with the inositol.

4:00:24Again, probably taking it later in the day is going to be good.

4:00:27And it's not clear at all that taking it

4:00:29with food or without food makes any difference whatsoever.

4:00:31So I would suggest you do either.

4:00:33Keep in mind, as I'm discussing these recommendations,

4:00:36I may call them prescriptions.

4:00:37But none of these are prescription drugs.

4:00:39And of course, you should always discuss any supplements

4:00:41that you're planning to take or stop taking, for that matter,

4:00:44with your physician.

4:00:45I don't say that to protect me.

4:00:46I say that to protect you.

4:00:48Any time you're going to add or change

4:00:49something in your overall health regimen,

4:00:51you want to discuss that with your trusted health care

4:00:54professional, typically, I would hope, a board-certified MD.

4:00:57The fourth item in the list of commonly suggested supplements

4:01:01for men and women wishing to optimize egg and sperm quality,

4:01:05respectively, is omega-3 fatty acids.

4:01:08And now, here, we're talking about something

4:01:10that could be obtained from food and can be obtained from food.

4:01:12So if you're consuming fatty ocean fish, things

4:01:15like sardines, anchovies, salmon with the skin,

4:01:19chances are you're going to get some quality omega-3s.

4:01:22Omega-3s are also available in plant-based sources.

4:01:25It's also available in krill, for that matter.

4:01:27But most people find it difficult to reach

4:01:29the threshold required for optimizing

4:01:33mental health and physical health

4:01:34that is the threshold of the EPA essential fatty acids.

4:01:37And so for that matter, I've suggested

4:01:40before on this podcast--

4:01:41and many fertility docs will suggest--

4:01:43that their patients take omega-3 fatty acids in supplement form.

4:01:48It could be taken in liquid form or in capsule form,

4:01:50but enough of those that you're getting at least 1 gram per day

4:01:53of the EPA form of omega-3, so at least 1 gram per day

4:01:57and as high as 2 or even 3 grams per day of the EPA form.

4:02:01So you'll need to look at the packaging

4:02:03because oftentimes it'll say high potency omega-3.

4:02:05It'll say 1,500 milligrams of omega-3s.

4:02:10But that's not 1,500 milligrams of the EPA form.

4:02:13You look on the back of the label, and it'll say,

4:02:15each serving contains 750 milligrams of EPA.

4:02:18You want to get above that 1 gram dosage per day

4:02:22and as high as 3 grams per day of the EPAs.

4:02:25The most cost-effective way to do

4:02:26that is going to be liquid-form omegas,

4:02:28but that's a little bit inconvenient for many people,

4:02:30and some people don't like the taste.

4:02:32That's why they rely on the capsule-form omegas.

4:02:34And of course, there are compounds

4:02:36that can impact fertility status, quality

4:02:38of eggs, quality of sperm, not by adjusting mitochondria

4:02:42or insulin sensitivity or creating

4:02:45a general milieu of support for the egg and the sperm

4:02:48production and function, such as the compounds that I just

4:02:52listed off do, but rather compounds

4:02:56that influence the hormones involved

4:02:58in the generation of sperm and the generation of the eggs,

4:03:00involved in the ovulatory cycle and the spermatogenesis cycle,

4:03:04that is.

4:03:04Now, these are going to come in different forms.

4:03:07And I want to just emphasize that the supplements that

4:03:10do this, that adjust hormones in these ways that

4:03:12can be beneficial, are distinct from hormone therapy

4:03:16or bioidentical hormones, distinct from hormone therapy

4:03:19or bioidentical hormones, because,

4:03:21as we discussed earlier, when you take

4:03:23a hormone like testosterone or even estrogen, for that matter,

4:03:26from an exogenous, an outside source,

4:03:28you're going to disrupt the feedback pathways

4:03:30inside of your body, and you're going to shut down

4:03:32your own endogenous production.

4:03:34The supplements I'm about to describe do not do that

4:03:38and yet can adjust levels of hormones in more subtle ways

4:03:41that can be beneficial for the process of maximizing fertility

4:03:46for males and for females.

4:03:47The first of which on this list that I'd like to discuss

4:03:50has been discussed in previous podcasts

4:03:51as well, which is a substance called tongkat ali.

4:03:54Tongkat ali also goes by other names.

4:03:57But when taken at 400 milligrams per day,

4:04:00sometimes separated into two dosages

4:04:01but typically taken as once a day early in the day

4:04:04because they can be a little bit stimulating, although not

4:04:08anxiety provoking--

4:04:09I've never heard of that.

4:04:10It can be a little bit stimulating.

4:04:11But 400 milligrams a day of tongkat ali

4:04:13has been shown to increase free testosterone

4:04:16by way of reducing something called sex hormone binding

4:04:18globulin.

4:04:19It's also been shown to increase luteinizing hormone,

4:04:21the net effect of which has been described

4:04:24as a subtle but significant increase in libido

4:04:28and some of the other parameters associated with increased

4:04:31androgens, like free testosterone in males

4:04:33and females.

4:04:34So a number of people out there are taking tongkat ali

4:04:36in this way--

4:04:37400 milligrams per day, restricted

4:04:38to the early part of the day, with or without food.

4:04:42People always ask, do you need to cycle tongkat ali?

4:04:44I'm not aware of any need to cycle tongkat ali.

4:04:47In fact, it tends to work better,

4:04:48meaning the effects on libido and some other hormone profiles

4:04:52tend to increase over time.

4:04:53Again, tongkat ali is an option.

4:04:56Certainly, none of these things are requirements.

4:04:58We're simply listing off options.

4:04:59But many people, both males and females,

4:05:02seem to benefit from and like tongkat ali,

4:05:05even if they're not seeking to conceive.

4:05:07There's no reason to think that tongkat ali directly

4:05:09improves sperm quality.

4:05:11Except in males, the increase in androgen created by tongkat ali

4:05:15supplementation can indeed lead to improved spermatogenesis.

4:05:18So there's a growing amount of data in the research

4:05:21literature on tongkat ali.

4:05:22Many people find it beneficial.

4:05:24And so it's something that both men and women wishing

4:05:26to conceive and/or optimize their fertility just

4:05:29as a general health parameter might want to explore.

4:05:31The other supplement that's been shown to improve both egg

4:05:35quality and sperm quality--

4:05:38and there I'm referring to a number

4:05:39of different parameters related to egg quality and sperm

4:05:42quality--

4:05:42as well as to increase libido fairly substantially

4:05:46is a substance called Shilajit.

4:05:48Shilajit, spelled S-H-I-L-A-G-I-T--

4:05:53Shilajit is actually a compound that's

4:05:57used in ayurvedic medicine, but there

4:05:59are some really good research studies exploring

4:06:01the supplementation with Shilajit at about 250

4:06:05milligrams twice per day.

4:06:07And this has been looked at in males and in females.

4:06:09And it does seem to significantly increase

4:06:11two hormones.

4:06:12One is testosterone, and the other

4:06:15is follicle-stimulating hormone.

4:06:17And for that reason, Shilajit is often considered a tonic

4:06:21that people use both as an aphrodisiac to increase libido

4:06:25as well as to increase fertility.

4:06:28Now, one note of caution, if you're a woman

4:06:30and you're considering taking Shilajit in order

4:06:32to increase testosterone and follicle-stimulating hormone,

4:06:35keep in mind that the ovulatory cycle

4:06:37is this very tightly regulated cycle in which you

4:06:41want low but elevated levels of follicle-stimulating hormone

4:06:45early in the follicular phase, then

4:06:47it peaks right before ovulation, and then low levels

4:06:50of follicle-stimulating hormone in the second half

4:06:52of your cycle.

4:06:52For that reason, using Shilajit chronically

4:06:55around the entire course of your ovulatory cycle

4:06:58could be a little bit risky, and I'd

4:07:00recommend that you talk to your OB/GYN prior to doing that

4:07:04or if doing that at all.

4:07:06For males, it's a little bit less of an issue,

4:07:08because, as I mentioned earlier, sperm are constantly

4:07:10being generated, and the presence of FSH

4:07:13is going to increase spermatogenesis.

4:07:16Now, Shilajit is not FSH itself.

4:07:19Shilajit stimulates the release of FSH.

4:07:22And it stimulates the release of testosterone.

4:07:24So again, there's no reason to think

4:07:25that it would shut down your endogenous testosterone or FSH

4:07:28production.

4:07:29Although there are limited amount of data that really

4:07:32explore that in detail.

4:07:33Many people use Shilajit in order

4:07:36to increase their testosterone, FSH,

4:07:38their libido, and various aspects of sperm health.

4:07:43Again, the dosages of Shilajit are about 250 milligrams,

4:07:46two times per day.

4:07:47One issue with Shilajit is it often

4:07:49comes as a tar, which is a little hard to measure out

4:07:52the dosages.

4:07:52Yes, a tar.

4:07:53It's this kind of thick, gummy substance

4:07:56that you're supposed to dissolve in water.

4:07:57And the recommendations are you take a little bead

4:07:59and dissolve it in water.

4:08:01It is available in capsule form where

4:08:02the ability to control the dosage

4:08:05is made a little bit easier.

4:08:06But of course, as with any supplement,

4:08:08I recommend starting with the lowest possible dosage.

4:08:11So you might want to start with a very small bead of Shilajit

4:08:14dissolved in water, taken once per day,

4:08:16and then increase the dosage as needed

4:08:18in order to obtain the effects that you want.

4:08:21Things like Shilajit start to bring us

4:08:23into the realm of what can only be

4:08:25described as a little bit unwieldy, right?

4:08:27Here we're saying you can't really control the dosage.

4:08:28Now you're talking about hormones

4:08:30that need to be tightly regulated, at least for females

4:08:32across the ovarian cycle.

4:08:33For males, yes, it has been shown

4:08:35to increase testosterone and FSH,

4:08:37improve sperm motility and sperm count pretty significantly.

4:08:41No reason to think that you couldn't do that chronically

4:08:43with Shilajit.

4:08:44And yet, I do want to acknowledge that Shilajit,

4:08:47as this black tar substance, contains

4:08:49a lot of different things.

4:08:51In fact, it comes from a mineral pitch.

4:08:53What is that?

4:08:53It comes from literally the dirt and plants

4:08:56that have been compressed by rocks in the Himalayas.

4:08:58So that's pretty esoteric stuff when it really

4:09:00comes down to it.

4:09:01But the biological effects of Shilajit,

4:09:03in both males and females, seem to be related to the fact

4:09:06that it is highly enriched in something called folic acid,

4:09:09and folic acid is involved in a lot

4:09:11of different cellular processes, not the least of which,

4:09:13at least in this context, is the transport of molecules

4:09:17across cell membranes.

4:09:19And for hormones to have their effect,

4:09:20they need to cross cell membranes on the outside

4:09:22and the inside of the cell.

4:09:24So maybe that's how it's having its effect.

4:09:26Again, the mechanisms of exactly how Shilajit increases

4:09:29testosterone and FSH and thereby libido, egg quality,

4:09:33and sperm quality aren't entirely clear.

4:09:35But for the more adventurous of you out there

4:09:38who want to experiment with Shilajit,

4:09:39whether or not you're trying to conceive or not,

4:09:42it might be something to consider.

4:09:43But of course, do talk to your physician.

4:09:45The next compound that I want to discuss is zinc.

4:09:48And this discussion mainly pertains to males,

4:09:51although I, of course, should point out

4:09:53that females should get the recommended daily allowance

4:09:56of zinc each day.

4:09:58Males, on the other hand, seem to benefit

4:10:00from having additionally high levels of zinc intake.

4:10:04Now, that can be obtained through foods.

4:10:05You often hear, oh, oysters are enriched in zinc,

4:10:08and oysters are an aphrodisiac.

4:10:11I don't know who's doing the marketing for oysters,

4:10:13but it's really terrific.

4:10:15I think that seems to have persisted.

4:10:16And maybe it's true.

4:10:19Oysters are enriched in zinc.

4:10:21What does zinc do for fertility?

4:10:23Well, in males, we know, based on a really nice set

4:10:26of studies, that zinc dosages that

4:10:29are pretty high of about 120 milligrams

4:10:31taken twice per day--

4:10:33that's quite a lot-- with meals can significantly

4:10:37increase testosterone and dihydrotestosterone.

4:10:40And this probably shouldn't come as a surprise to us.

4:10:42It turns out that zinc is highly enriched in human testes

4:10:46and in the testes of other animals,

4:10:48including fish and other mammals.

4:10:49And it was actually in 1921 that it was observed in fish

4:10:54that zinc levels skyrocket in the testes of fish

4:10:58during their breeding season.

4:11:00So zinc is correlated with increases in breeding,

4:11:02but you never know which direction

4:11:04that correlation is running.

4:11:05It turns out that zinc in both animals,

4:11:09including fish, other mammals, and in humans, strongly

4:11:13impacts the enzymatic functions in the testes,

4:11:15including the function of androgen-binding protein.

4:11:18So it seems that high levels of zinc

4:11:20can increase spermatogenesis and testosterone

4:11:22levels very significantly.

4:11:25This was explored in a really nice study

4:11:26that I'll provide a reference to.

4:11:27It's an older study.

4:11:28But I really like.

4:11:29It's called "Effect of Zinc Administration

4:11:31on Plasma Testosterone, Dihydrotestosterone,

4:11:33and Sperm Count."

4:11:34This is but just one study among many now.

4:11:38This dates back to 1981, but there have been studies

4:11:41subsequently that point to the fact that supplementation

4:11:43with zinc at those high levels can really

4:11:45be helpful in terms of increasing

4:11:48sperm count, testosterone, and even

4:11:51testicular size, of all things.

4:11:53So one important point about taking

4:11:55zinc-- this 120 milligrams of zinc two times daily

4:11:59definitely needs to be done with meals.

4:12:00If you've ever taken zinc on an empty stomach,

4:12:02even if you just take 15 or 30 milligrams of zinc,

4:12:05you can feel very nauseous, not well, for a few hours.

4:12:09So make sure that you're taking zinc with full meals.

4:12:11So this would mean that you're taking in at least

4:12:14two full meals per day.

4:12:17I should also mention that zinc supplementation did not

4:12:20appear to impact gonadotropin-releasing hormone

4:12:23or prolactin.

4:12:23So it seems to be a fairly targeted effect

4:12:26on the testosterone and related pathways in males.

4:12:28As far as I know, there have not been systematic explorations

4:12:32of the effects of high levels of zinc administration on females.

4:12:35I would hope that those studies would soon be done.

4:12:37But meanwhile, if you're a male and you're

4:12:39interested in improving sperm quality

4:12:40and your testosterone levels overall for whatever reason,

4:12:44zinc likely is a good candidate.

4:12:46And that pretty much summarizes the compounds

4:12:48that men and women should take in order

4:12:50to maximize egg quality, sperm quality, and fertility.

4:12:53And then, of course, we start to enter

4:12:54the landscape of other things that men and women can take

4:12:57in order to improve fertility, and those other things

4:13:00generally are prescription drugs.

4:13:02And so I just want to mention what a few of those are.

4:13:04But of course, these are things that you would absolutely

4:13:07have to obtain prescriptions for from your MD,

4:13:11and your MD, without question, would

4:13:14want to take blood tests prior to prescribing these things.

4:13:17So for instance, if men have been

4:13:19taking exogenous testosterone through the use

4:13:22of anabolic steroids, like performance-enhancing drugs

4:13:24or even testosterone replacement therapy,

4:13:26their endogenous testosterone levels

4:13:28are going to be very low, and their sperm counts

4:13:30are going to be very low, unless, for instance, they

4:13:32are prescribed and taking something

4:13:33like hCG, human chorionic gonadotropin, which

4:13:37mimics LH and would stimulate the testes to produce

4:13:40testosterone and through some indirect pathways rescue

4:13:43spermatogenesis, although not to the same degree

4:13:45as if people are not taking exogenous sources

4:13:49of testosterone.

4:13:50Some men, even if they've never touched TRT or exogenous

4:13:54testosterone of any kind, will be prescribed

4:13:57to take hCG because of its ability

4:13:59to stimulate the testes to produce

4:14:01more testosterone and sperm.

4:14:02So they're just taking hCG alone.

4:14:04Other men will take--

4:14:05or will be prescribed, rather--

4:14:07FSH in order to stimulate spermatogenesis, or hCG

4:14:10and FSH, or clomiphene, which can regulate

4:14:14all sorts of things in the both testosterone and

4:14:16estrogen-related pathways at the level of brain and pituitary

4:14:20and gonad, testes.

4:14:23Likewise, for women, if they're low in FSH,

4:14:25they might be prescribed FSH.

4:14:27If they are low in luteinizing hormone,

4:14:30they might be prescribed hCG.

4:14:32If they're low in testosterone, they might even

4:14:33be prescribed testosterone.

4:14:34And if their testosterone is too high

4:14:36and they're dealing with PCOS, they

4:14:37might be prescribed anti-androgens and androgen

4:14:40blockers and on and on and on.

4:14:43There are so many different hormones that

4:14:45can impact the different aspects of the ovulatory

4:14:47and the spermatogenesis cycle that the OB/GYNs

4:14:51and the urologists focused on male fertility nowadays really

4:14:55have an excellent handle on which levers and buttons

4:14:57and threads to pull and push and so forth in order

4:15:00to set in motion a proper ovulatory

4:15:03cycle and a proper spermatogenesis cycle.

4:15:06Everything we talked about up until now

4:15:08and in the early phase of this episode,

4:15:09especially, about how the brain commands

4:15:12the pituitary and the pituitary commands the gonads and then

4:15:15the gonads, the ovary, or the testes

4:15:17send feedback signals to the pituitary

4:15:20to then influence the pituitary, all

4:15:21of that incredible orchestra, that dance,

4:15:24is so tightly regulated in a way that really provides

4:15:27the OB/GYNs and the fertility docs

4:15:29concerned with male fertility exceptional tools to,

4:15:33for instance, figure out if a man is not producing any sperm

4:15:36but his testosterone levels are well within normal range,

4:15:40well, then there are some very clear sets of explorations

4:15:43and potential treatments.

4:15:44Some of which are mechanical, making sure

4:15:45the epididymis and vas deferens are clear,

4:15:47allowing the sperm to enter the ejaculate

4:15:49and the ejaculate to enter the urethra

4:15:51and obviously to enter the female, as well

4:15:55as for a woman who's not ovulating

4:15:57to adjust her levels of FSH or maybe even to apply acupuncture

4:16:02in conjunction with supplementation

4:16:04and various prescription hormone therapies to adjust

4:16:07fertility and ovulation and the probability

4:16:10of successful pregnancy.

4:16:11So there's a vast landscape of prescription drugs

4:16:14and surgical interventions of varying degrees

4:16:17of invasiveness.

4:16:19And some are, for instance, outpatient procedures.

4:16:23Some require general anesthesia, et cetera,

4:16:25in order to maximize male and female fertility.

4:16:28What I've tried to do today is to provide you

4:16:31with a deep dive understanding of the ovulatory and menstrual

4:16:36cycle.

4:16:36We talked about the brain, the pituitary, the ovary,

4:16:38the Fallopian tubes, and, in fact,

4:16:40the whole female reproductive axis

4:16:41as it relates to fertility and reproduction

4:16:46I also describe the male reproductive axis as it relates

4:16:50to the brain, the pituitary, the gonad, the testes,

4:16:53and the various ducts, the pathways,

4:16:55out of the testes that allow the sperm to be enriched

4:16:59within the semen and then the semen and the ejaculate

4:17:02to exit through the urethra.

4:17:04I did all that as a way to frame the various tools

4:17:06and interventions that can really

4:17:09assist in increasing fertility, egg quality, and sperm quality.

4:17:13So when we discuss mitochondria in the context

4:17:15of the development of an egg or the development of sperm

4:17:18and its ability to swim quickly forward,

4:17:21now it should make sense as to why

4:17:23give an intervention, whether or not

4:17:25it's L-carnitine or whether or not

4:17:26it's exercise or whether or not it's getting enough sleep

4:17:28and limiting stress, why all that should matter and why,

4:17:31in fact, mechanistically those interventions can work.

4:17:34Because, indeed, there are many interventions

4:17:36that we can all do and use to support our fertility.

4:17:40And again, as a more general theme today,

4:17:42I really wanted to, A, teach you about

4:17:44the human reproductive axis--

4:17:46I do find the biology of the ovulatory and menstrual cycle

4:17:50and spermatogenesis to be absolutely fascinating to me.

4:17:53And again, if you're somebody who's interested in conceiving

4:17:55or if you've already conceived children

4:17:57and even if you don't want more children,

4:17:59this is really the aspect of our biology

4:18:02that allowed us to be here.

4:18:04It's the aspect of our biology that determined whether or not

4:18:07we are male or female.

4:18:09It's the aspect of our biology that determines so, so much,

4:18:11and yet I think that most of us generally are not

4:18:14taught this in school or at least not at the depth

4:18:16that we discussed it today.

4:18:18So hopefully that information was in and of itself

4:18:21interesting and perhaps useful as well.

4:18:23And I do think that even if people are not

4:18:25wishing to conceive more children that the information

4:18:28related to fertility and optimizing egg and sperm health

4:18:30is of value in the sense that optimizing egg and sperm health

4:18:35can be used as a proxy for optimizing our body and brain

4:18:39health generally.

4:18:39In other words-- and here I'm admittedly taking words out

4:18:44of the mouths of the various wonderful doctors,

4:18:46the OB/GYNs and neurologists that helped inform me

4:18:50in anticipation of this episode-- what is good

4:18:52for the woman is good for the egg

4:18:55and for fertility and for pregnancy.

4:18:57And what's good for the man is good for the quality

4:19:01and production of sperm and for fertility and pregnancy.

4:19:05Put differently, whether or not we are male or female,

4:19:08the things that we can do to optimize our fertility

4:19:11are the exact same things that we should all

4:19:14be doing to optimize our vitality and our longevity.

4:19:17And I realize today's episode was so much the deep dive

4:19:20and fairly broad, as well, that it ended up being

4:19:23fairly long and extensive.

4:19:25And yet we still have not touched

4:19:27on any of the important themes that I know a number of people

4:19:29want to know about-- so, for instance, menopause,

4:19:33andropause, PCOS, and other themes

4:19:36related to hormones and reproductive function

4:19:38and biology.

4:19:39And I promise that we will have episodes, both solo episodes

4:19:42and episodes with expert guests, in the future

4:19:45to cover all of those topics in detail.

4:19:47Meanwhile, the information discussed in today's episode

4:19:50should serve as a basic foundation

4:19:52for those discussions going forward

4:19:54and hopefully were of interest to you in their own right.

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