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0:00We have kids, and we have a generation
0:02that are under attack. The enemy is
0:04coming for their identity. And if we
0:06don't do our jobs and our part in
0:08setting that foundation and that
0:10identity
0:11in who God is and who he says they are,
0:14then we're just giving them things that
0:17at some point this long checklist of I
0:20can't do this and I can't do this and I
0:22can't do this or I failed at doing this,
0:24then it it it begs the question, how do
0:26we teach them to know God's voice? I've
0:28been reading studies from different
0:30neuroscientists and reading studies from
0:32um different theologians, but I've been
0:34really obsessed with catechesis. For
0:36thousands of years church history in the
0:38in the church used this method to bring
0:41kids into a formation of how their faith
0:44operated. The the language we're using,
0:46the stories we're telling from the
0:47Bible, the way that we're connecting
0:49kids to God and his truth, and that
0:52seeing it lived out in their life, is it
0:54helping them in this stage of their
0:56developmental minds
0:58work through who they are and getting
1:00their identity set in Christ.
1:05Hey everyone, welcome to the Amazing
1:07Kids Min podcast where we talk about
1:09amazing things that are happening in
1:12kids ministry. And today I've got a
1:14couple questions for us.
1:16Because I don't know about you, but I
1:17can get busy and I can start to get in
1:19my routines and my rhythms. And as I
1:21start to get into it, sometimes I forget
1:24to take a step back and just uh
1:26reassess. A couple weeks ago uh before
1:29school was going back, my kids went back
1:31to school this week and it's been great,
1:33uneventful in the best ways possible,
1:34meaning like they're crushing life. And
1:37uh at the end of summer every year for
1:39our family, my parents, they live 4
1:42hours away from us,
1:43and so they always ask if they can take
1:45the girls for their last week of summer,
1:47their last week of freedom. And they my
1:48girls love it. It's like camp at the
1:50grandparents' house, like they
1:52get everything that they want and it's
1:54great. And so I I drove my girls down,
1:56we met halfway, so I drove 2 hours. I
1:58met my mother and I dropped off my
2:00girls, said goodbye, we'll see you in a
2:01week
2:03and drove back up. And I'm I'm a weird
2:05person who loves to drive in silence. Um
2:08when I get long stretches of time where
2:11I just kind of get to be alone with my
2:14thoughts.
2:15Um I like I I if during the week, during
2:18work, like if I'm driving, you know, to
2:19the office or to other things, I'll use
2:22that time to call people, be on the
2:23phone. But, weekends, um like couple
2:27weeks ago,
2:28I found myself with two to two hours to
2:31two and a half hours of uh nothing but
2:33silence. And it's great because
2:36growing up,
2:37uh one of the first things my mom ever
2:40taught us, so I was homeschooled, and in
2:42in at 6 years old, the first
2:46verse I ever learned from the Bible was
2:48all of Psalm chapter 1. So, blessed is
2:51the man who does not walk in the counsel
2:52of the wicked or stand in the way of
2:54sinners or sit in the seat of mockers.
2:56His delight is in the law of the Lord
2:57and on his law he meditates day and
2:59night. He is like a tree which brings
3:01forth fruit in its season and its his
3:03leaf does not wither. Whatever he does
3:05prospers.
3:06Not so the wicked, they are like chaff
3:08that the wind blows away. Therefore, the
3:10wicked will not stand in the judgment
3:12nor sinners. This was always my favorite
3:13part, in the assembly of the righteous.
3:16I loved as a 6-year-old saying those
3:18words. For the Lord watches over the
3:19ways of the righteous and the way of the
3:20wicked shall perish.
3:22And so,
3:24at a young age,
3:26I knew those words and as I kept
3:27growing, there's that part where he's
3:29like a tree planted by streams of water
3:32and that he meditates day and night. And
3:34I learned that as I meditate on God's
3:36word, but also learn how to sort through
3:39my thoughts using God's word as a
3:41filter,
3:42it would um help guide my life. So, I've
3:44done that for a long time, for probably
3:46almost 15 years. Like, I find times
3:48throughout my week where I sit in
3:49silence and I I
3:50on who God is, what he's saying to me,
3:52what like feelings that I'm having. I I
3:55hold it up to the light of his word and
3:56his truth and ask him to speak truth
3:58into it.
3:59And as I'm driving, I had a couple
4:00thoughts that I thought we would talk
4:02through today because I'm curious as
4:04kids pastors how often we take time just
4:06to sit back and re-evaluate. Like, I'm
4:08doing this, but why am I doing this? Why
4:10am I working?
4:11And we pour out a lot, and I know that
4:13you're pouring into teams, you're
4:14pouring into your ministry, whether it's
4:17your staff or your volunteers, your
4:18leaders, your kids, your families.
4:21And I was I was driving
4:24and wondering like as pastors we are
4:26shepherds.
4:27We are shepherds and our job is to
4:29shepherd our flock and to to steward the
4:31kids and the families and the leaders
4:34that we be that we get entrusted with
4:36and that that that we we belong to in a
4:38sense of hey we're going to do this
4:41together, we're going to journey this
4:41together. And we have sheep that we tend
4:44to.
4:45And a lot of the times I think that we
4:47as kids pastors
4:49how do we wrestle with we're having to
4:51teach kids one thing and we're having to
4:53lead our leaders one thing, but what
4:55what are we being fed?
4:57Because this thought popped into my mind
4:59that shepherds don't eat what the sheep
5:01eat.
5:02You you know what I mean? Like
5:04shepherds are in charge of finding and
5:06if you look at some of the geographical
5:08spots that shepherds would usually roam
5:11their sheep around in Israel and Judea,
5:14um some of it was mountainous and and
5:16rocky and the climate like there wasn't
5:17a lot of grass. So, they had be really
5:19good at finding. Like, the Lord is my
5:21shepherd, he leads me to green pastures.
5:23They had to go find places where the
5:25sheep could graze and eat. But shepherds
5:28had to eat too. So, how do we as pastors
5:30make sure that we're being fed and where
5:32do we discern and how do we find times
5:34to try and figure out is this is this
5:37for me to share with kids or to share
5:38with families or to share with my
5:39leaders or is this something that God's
5:42speaking to me and he's doing in me cuz
5:43God's always at work. He promises that
5:45he's going to start the good work that
5:47or finish the good work he started. Like
5:49he's faithful and just to do that. And
5:51so, at times we have to wrestle with,
5:54okay God, you're speaking this to me and
5:56like this is for me. Like this is
5:58between me and God and no one else.
6:01And this is for um my kids or this is
6:04for my leaders. And and where do we wait
6:07that and balance that in our lives? Cuz
6:10it, you know, our ministry should come
6:12from an overflow. Um our ministry should
6:14come like that the public things that we
6:16say should be a fraction of what we've
6:19experienced in private in our time with
6:21God. The way that we lead our kids and
6:23the way that we lead our families and
6:24the way that we lead our leaders should
6:27be an overflow of how we're being led by
6:29God. Like he is the great shepherd. Um
6:31we know where we're going because of
6:33that, but the the iceberg under the
6:36surface, like how much are we taking
6:38time to to really sit in and and to talk
6:43with and to be led by God, to be
6:45obedient to what he's asking us to do.
6:48Or um I was I was um
6:50taking my kids to school this week
6:51again. It's our first week of school.
6:54And the first day we drove together and
6:56um we we you know, we had meet the
6:57teacher one night and then um first day,
7:00second day. So the the the the first day
7:02um it was great. We dropped off. The
7:04second day it was just me. It's one of
7:05our rhythms. Like for us, I love waking
7:08up and I get the kids up and going. We
7:10do lunches and I take them and my wife,
7:11she goes to work out and
7:14so we get in the car and we're driving
7:15and halfway down the road, um we we live
7:17about 15 minutes away from the school,
7:19um my car starts dinging and I realize
7:21that my car was on empty. And it's
7:23telling me, you need to refuel, you need
7:25to refuel, you need to refuel. And so,
7:27you know, my kids are panicking. Like,
7:28we're not going to make it. And I'm
7:30like, we're going to make it. We're
7:30going to be fine. And we cruise into a
7:32gas station and I filled up and it was
7:33fine. But I found that sometimes in
7:36different seasons of my life, I have
7:38been that way. I have found and maybe
7:40you're like this too and I know, where
7:42you're not checking the gauge of how
7:45full or empty you're at and and you get
7:48to a place where you realize, um,
7:50whether it's in a moment of frustration
7:51or it's in a moment of burnout or it's
7:53in a moment of just everything is like I
7:56I need to to stop everything and you
7:58fall apart, um, you weren't checking the
8:00spiritual gaze gauge of your life on how
8:03full or how empty am I.
8:06And so, what are those rhythms like for
8:07you? I'm I'm curious. How do you like
8:10what what do you have set in place to
8:12know, uh, when you're starting to get
8:14towards empty? And how do you refuel?
8:16Cuz we all refuel differently. Me, I
8:18drive.
8:19Um, I woke up the other day, um, on it
8:22was a Monday and I I drove for about 2
8:26hours. Um, I woke up at 5:30 or, sorry,
8:28I woke up at 5:15 and from 5:30 to about
8:317:30, I drive I drive around and I sit
8:34in silence and I talk to God and I and I
8:36and I and I listen and I ask him and
8:38I'll worship sometimes. Like it it the
8:40the times can look different, but that's
8:41how I refuel. Like I I need to be
8:43moving, but I need to be silently
8:45moving. Um, and so sometimes it can be a
8:47walk for me it's just driving and I'll
8:48drive around my neighborhood and I'll
8:50drive around my area and my city and I
8:52and I and I talk with God and I listen
8:54to God and I So, what does that look
8:55like for you? What are your rhythms and
8:57your practices for you that are like,
8:58"Hey, this is how I refuel. This is how
9:00God is doing."
9:02And then, how do you get to know when
9:03you're getting empty? I I at some point,
9:07thankfully, um, started to realize my
9:09wife is a really good gauge for me. When
9:10she starts to tell me, "Hey Tyler,
9:12you're you're getting a little you're
9:14getting a little cranky." Or you're
9:15being really short with us, your family.
9:18Like I'm not perfect. Um, or hey, like
9:20you seem to be zoned out.
9:22Um, we've all fell prey to the doom
9:25scrolling. And what I have learned is at
9:28times in my life when I haven't settled
9:30or I haven't sorted or I haven't, um,
9:33really, uh,
9:34addressed like what I'm feeling and I
9:37may not fully emotionally understand
9:39what I'm feeling, I can find myself doom
9:41scrolling. So, I've learned to identify
9:43and become aware of what is going on to
9:45where this is what I'm having to do.
9:47Like, this is this is actually causing
9:49me to check out. Why am I feeling the
9:51need to withdraw and check out? So,
9:52like, you know, I put it down and we
9:54have to start to work on it. What does
9:55that look like for you? It looks
9:56different for other people. Symptoms
9:58look different for other people. But,
9:59how do you know when your gauge is
10:01getting to empty?
10:03And so, I can tell you some of the
10:05things that I've been chewing on. I can
10:06tell you that's what that's what I
10:07actually wanted to talk about today. So,
10:09yeah, as I've gotten to the place where
10:11it's like, oh, you know what? I'm I'm
10:12chewing on stuff. Um I think what is
10:15really good for us as leaders and as
10:17shepherds and as people that are always
10:19leading kids is to constantly be
10:21evaluating
10:23um why are we doing what we're doing and
10:24is what we're doing now the best way to
10:27go about it? Because we we we say it all
10:30the time, you know, you you marry the
10:32mission and date the method.
10:34But, um how often are we taking a step
10:37back and reevaluating, okay, this method
10:40has served so well, maybe an incredible
10:42method, but is it is it what is going to
10:45serve us here now or in the future? Um
10:48it takes really mature leaders to be
10:50able to look at. I love how this is
10:51going, but it's time to disassemble a
10:53part of this or a piece of this and
10:55build the new thing cuz God's doing
10:57something new and we want to be prepared
10:59for that. We want to be set up for that.
11:01And so, as I was thinking through the
11:03way that we minister, cuz I have a I
11:04have a second grader and a sixth grader.
11:07I was thinking about the way that they
11:08both relate to God differently at this
11:10moment. They're just developmentally
11:11different, but same in other regards.
11:15And I
11:16I I was thinking through and I've been
11:17reading these studies and I've been
11:19reading studies from different
11:20neuroscientists and reading studies from
11:22um different theologians, but um and I
11:24I've been really obsessed with
11:26catechesis. Um and and for thousands of
11:29years church history and the and the
11:31church used this method to bring kids
11:34into a formation of how their faith
11:36operated.
11:37Um and so, as I've been studying these
11:39things, I was listening to
11:42um a book,
11:43and they were talking about the
11:45developmental process and age of um
11:48really 6 to 11-year-olds. And and like
11:50really or 7 to 11. But what they were
11:52talking about, and we know some of this,
11:54is that at this specific age, they are
11:56really literal. Like really, really,
11:59really literal.
12:01And so, how do we um like take that and
12:04make sure that the way that we're
12:06approaching their faith formation uh
12:09makes sense to that. And so, I I I I was
12:12kind of talking through this and and and
12:14and processing. And what's interesting
12:16is is because these kids are so literal
12:17and because these kids
12:19um what the way that they manage this is
12:21if I do good things, I'm a good person.
12:23If I do bad things, I'm a bad person.
12:26So, are we cautious in the way and even
12:28the language we use with them as we're
12:30trying to get them into uh
12:32a a relationship with God, what language
12:35do we use?
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13:28Now, back to the podcast.
13:30If I'm learning
13:32my faith through statements that are
13:34more I can statements, that are
13:36performative based, like I can do this,
13:39and I can do that, and I can do this.
13:41That's not untrue, but what it can um
13:45accidentally wire in a kid's brain is my
13:48faith is dependent on what I do and what
13:50I do not do.
13:52Um and and
13:53uh what we want to actually center it on
13:56is what Jesus has done.
13:58Um and my faith is is based on who I am
14:02and who God says I am. So, we have to
14:04start at this base, right? Of this is
14:06who God is. And this is who He is good.
14:09He is sovereign. He is creator. We go
14:11through all those things. And this is
14:13who God says you are. Right? In Genesis,
14:15we read that God would make something
14:17and He would say it's good.
14:19And kids need to know that when God
14:21speaks, He doesn't speak in suggestions,
14:23He speaks in truth. He speaks in fact.
14:25So, when He calls something good, He's
14:27not suggesting, "Hey, I think this is my
14:29opinion or it could be good." He's
14:31saying, "This is good." God created
14:33mankind and He said, "This is very
14:35good."
14:36And so, what we have to look at is we
14:39have to figure out how do we help kids
14:41get balanced and and set in their
14:44identity formation of who God is and who
14:46they are. And from that, we behave
14:50different. I'm part of God's family,
14:52right? So, because I'm a part of God's
14:54family, and this is how our family
14:55behaves, I do these things. Dallas
14:58Willard once said, "Faith is not opposed
15:01to effort, it's opposed to earning."
15:04And so, what we have to be careful with
15:06with kids at that specific age is that
15:09it's it's not us trying to say you you
15:12know, "Hey, faith is just sitting
15:14quietly and just a bunch of facts and
15:15you just need to know this and there's
15:17there's nothing that you should do out
15:18of this." Like your life should doesn't
15:19have to represent that. That's not what
15:20I'm saying. What I am saying
15:23is we have to set the base and the core
15:26foundation of the reason we do these
15:28things and the fruit that we see in our
15:30lives and the virtues that we measure
15:32ourselves against isn't because if I get
15:35all these things right and I check all
15:37these boxes, then I'm good and then I
15:39belong in the family of God. Um it it
15:41actually stems from no, I do these
15:43things because it's who I am.
15:45Like Jesus came and he reminds us of who
15:48we are. Um you know, there's a there's a
15:50big difference between God is angry at
15:54me and he's disappointed in me and so he
15:56sent Jesus to fix me.
15:59And I it can sound like semantics, but
16:01here's the honest truth is um
16:04God's love for me was so great. Jesus
16:07didn't purchase God's love for me. He
16:09proved it on the cross. And yes, I
16:11couldn't do that for myself and yes, I
16:13am I need a savior because we had done a
16:17lot of things to try and fix that and
16:19get to God ourselves and in our efforts,
16:21we were never going to make it. So God
16:23came to us, but he came to us because he
16:25wants to restore in our relationship
16:27with us because I belong to him. And
16:30when I know that I belong to him and my
16:32identity is wrapped up in that, I belong
16:34to God and I belong to his family. And
16:37we as a family, we operate differently.
16:39And so we've been I've been I've been
16:41like chewing on that, right? Like okay,
16:42so if that's
16:44how kids need to be set in their faith
16:47and it needs to be an identity that's
16:48shaped and based and formed in that,
16:51then like what do those phrases look
16:53like? Like it has to be more I am
16:55phrases, right? Like like um I am a
16:58child of God or I am created to love
17:01like Jesus. I am like and at that
17:04specific age, we're attributing value to
17:07them that God says they are. Like we we
17:10are reminding them and showing them and
17:12teaching them what their identity is and
17:15that it's based in God because we have
17:17kids and we have a generation that are
17:19under attack. The enemy is coming for
17:21their identity.
17:23And if we don't do our jobs and our part
17:25in setting that foundation in that
17:26identity and in who God is and who he
17:30says they are, then
17:32um we're just giving them things that at
17:35some point this long checklist of I
17:37can't do this I can't do this and I
17:39can't do this or I failed at doing this.
17:42Um I've missed the mark. So like I feel
17:44like I'm probably not made to do this.
17:47And it's like you weren't made to do,
17:48you were made to be. We're human beings,
17:51not human doings. So who are you?
17:54And so then it it it begs the question
17:56and they need to know who who they are.
17:58How do they do that? How do we teach
17:59them to know God's voice, right? Through
18:02scripture we can learn about who God is.
18:04Like through the New Testament and Old
18:06Testament reveals God's character.
18:09So I bel- I believe in teaching kids the
18:11Bible. It's there is truth in that and
18:14it it tells us a story of our need for
18:16Jesus and our need to be restored into
18:19relationship with our loving heavenly
18:21Father. But they also need to know who
18:23their loving heavenly Father is and that
18:25Jesus has sent us a helper
18:27to to lead us into all truth and to
18:29remind us of the things that he said and
18:30they're going to come make their home in
18:32in us and they're going to shape us and
18:35mold us into a Christ likeness. And so
18:37how do we help kids learn to hear God's
18:40voice so that when they get older, isn't
18:43that setting them up for success? I I
18:45know his word and I know his voice and
18:47like he can speak to me and continue to
18:49shape me and mold me and he tells me who
18:51I am.
18:52And so what does that look like for you?
18:55Like there's different methods and
18:56there's different ways, but how are you
18:57teaching kids to do that? How are we
18:59teaching kids to to be set um up for
19:02success so that when they get into real
19:05life scenarios, it's not just facts and
19:07ideas of who God is, but it's a real
19:09presence in in lives that they've gotten
19:11to know. And he speaks to me, and I know
19:13his truth, and I know his word, and I
19:15know his voice. I know his character,
19:17and this doesn't line up with that. And
19:19And so, um like it's it's it's a shaping
19:22and a molding, and we do that in
19:24specific age-specific ways, but that's
19:26what I'm chewing on lately, right?
19:29Like, how do we
19:30are are is what we're doing and what
19:31we're teaching, is that shaping kids and
19:33molding them for who they're going to be
19:35in the future? And again, it doesn't
19:37throw out how we live out our faith.
19:40Like, faith is not just a belief system,
19:43although we should believe in what we
19:44think about God matters, and what we
19:46think about God at a young age really
19:47matters, cuz it affects the stories we
19:49tell ourselves and the way that we live
19:50our lives.
19:52But, what we also have to be cautious of
19:54is making sure that we don't just make
19:55it, um again, I say this a lot, we're
19:57ditch lovers, right? So, it's either it
20:00should be all facts, and we got to tell
20:01kids, and they got to have this, and
20:02that's truth. They should know God, and
20:04they should know his word, and they
20:05should hide it deep in their heart. They
20:06should know the importance of it, but if
20:08we stay there and we don't live it out,
20:10then, um
20:11all we're, you know,
20:12James wrote, like, faith without works
20:14is dead. But, um at the same time, then
20:17we swing into a different ditch, and are
20:18we teaching works? And are we teaching
20:20performance-based? And that could be
20:21dangerous at this age for kids. Are we
20:24teaching them that, hey, my works are
20:26what define my value and my seat at this
20:28table or my place in this family? And is
20:31it coming from a works of it's it's who
20:34I'm trying to behave as, or is it
20:35because this is who I'm becoming? I'm
20:37becoming like Jesus. I'm a part of this
20:39family. This is who I am. And because of
20:42who I am, I behave this way.
20:44And it's different, right? Like, how do
20:46we land in the middle here?
20:48So, that's what we're praying about.
20:50As if we're always shaping. Like, is the
20:53the language we're using, the stories
20:54we're telling from the Bible, the way
20:56that we're connecting kids to God and
20:58his truth, and it seeing it lived out in
21:00their life, is it is it helping them in
21:04this stage of their developmental minds
21:06work through who they are in getting
21:09their identity set in Christ.
21:11It's so important. The work you do, the
21:13work we get to do in shaping and molding
21:16kids' life is so important. And it
21:18matters. The way that we The way that we
21:21put it forth and the way that we we put
21:23it in their heads and in their hearts,
21:25and we plant those seeds and trust that
21:27God waters and harvests it. That
21:29matters. Because if we don't If we don't
21:32take the time to do it right, we may be
21:33setting them up to have to figure things
21:37out later that we could have fixed at an
21:39early stage. And um so like that that's
21:42that's that's what my long drive was
21:44this week. That's
21:47Yeah, that's what That's what I was
21:48asking God.
21:49Is you know,
21:51where in my life do I feel like my I'm
21:53having to perform for my place at the
21:55table instead of letting God remind me
21:58that my place was bought and purchased
22:01by his son Jesus, and that I have been
22:03adopted and welcomed into this family.
22:05But because I'm a part of this then I I
22:08I
22:09I do things differently than the way the
22:11rest of the world does.
22:12And my scoreboard is different than what
22:14the world would tell me my scoreboard
22:16is.
22:17And And that led me to a really good
22:19time with God. And how do we get that to
22:21kids? How do you do that? Well, when was
22:23the last time you sat with God and
22:25asked, "What am I believing that maybe
22:27isn't of you?"
22:29New Testament and Paul writes that we
22:31that we're to take captive every thought
22:33and teach it to obey Christ.
22:35And sometimes I think even as adults,
22:38not just as kids, but as adults, we find
22:40ourselves in places where we have
22:41thoughts that may be just roaming about
22:45in the space of our minds that we we
22:47need to take captive and hold it up to
22:49the truth and the light of God's word
22:50and say, "God, is this of you?"
22:52And if it's not, would you speak the
22:53truth over this and tell me what this
22:55truth is?
22:56Because this is this is affecting the
22:58way that I'm operating. And have we
23:01invited the Holy Spirit to illuminate
23:03things in our lives, the thought
23:04patterns or
23:05the behavior patterns? And like, "Hey,
23:07am I believing something that's causing
23:09me to act in a way that well, it's just
23:11exhausting me and it's not of you."
23:14And how do we how do we do that so that
23:16we can offer that to kids? So that we
23:18can help them get to know who God is. So
23:21that they can go through practices like
23:23that of holding their thoughts and their
23:26behaviors and their lives and hearts up
23:29to God and asking him to speak into them
23:31and then him to reveal his truth in
23:32them.
23:33And that's really important work. And
23:35that's why I'm grateful. Like I get to
23:37talk to so many different kids pastors.
23:38That's I got to spend time with some
23:40kids pastors just yesterday. Like I was
23:42about
23:4211 or 12 of them.
23:44And it I'm always just blown away by the
23:47people that God calls into this work and
23:49into this ministry. I'm blown away by
23:51the people who are faithful and
23:53steadfast and diligent in doing this
23:55work. And so if no one's told you in a
23:57long time,
23:58I want to say thank you. Thank you for
23:59the work you're doing. Thank you for
24:01continuing to till the soil even when
24:03it's not easy. Thank you for continuing
24:05to show up even when it feels like
24:07nobody sees it. My prayer for you is
24:09that at some point in the next week or
24:11the next 2 weeks or in this next season,
24:14you
24:15take a step back and have a second to
24:16gauge where is your spiritual tank at?
24:18And what is God speaking to you about
24:20your personal life and your ministry and
24:23how it's overflowing into kids. And what
24:25are the strategies that he has for you
24:27now that maybe are different than a
24:28strategy that you've had in a previous
24:30season.
24:31But my prayer for you is that you would
24:33continually hear God's voice and that
24:35you would be obedient to it and that
24:37your kids and your families and your
24:39leaders and your personal family would
24:42benefit from that. So thanks for
24:44spending time today. And you know, email
24:47me, taylor@amazinglife.com. I'd love to
24:48know your thoughts. Like some of you
24:50email all the time and you know, "Hey,
24:51that was really interesting. This is how
24:52I had I got to know." But And that's
24:56been this week. And as kids pastors,
24:58I I think we always have a lot going on
25:01and a lot to chew on and a lot to think
25:02about. So, if you have time, send me it
25:05send me your thoughts send me your
25:05messages. But, thanks for listening
25:07today. We'll catch you guys next time.
25:09Have a great week.