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The Culture Map: The Future of Management

Erin Meyer · 2,015 words · 10 min read

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0:00I have spent the last 16 years studying

0:04how cultural differences are changing

0:06global organizations but I have not

0:09always been working in a cross-cultural

0:11space I was raised in a very

0:13monocultural place I was raised in

0:15Minnesota in the Midwest of the US and

0:18was only later as an adult that I

0:20started living in other countries and

0:22kind of learning about these things but

0:24I had a situation early in my career

0:26that got this all started for me where I

0:30was on a trip to Japan with a Japanese

0:33colleague and I gave a short

0:35presentation to a group of Japanese

0:37participants and at the end of the

0:40presentation I asked them if they had

0:42any questions when I looked at the group

0:44that no one raised their hands so I went

0:46to sit down my Japanese colleague then

0:49said to me Aaron I think actually there

0:51were some questions do you mind if I try

0:54and I said okay fine so he then stood up

0:57and again he said any any questions and

1:00again no one raised their hand but this

1:03time he looked very carefully at the

1:06group oh do you have a question and the

1:12woman said well thank you I do and she

1:15asked a fascinating question and then he

1:17did it again oh do you have something

1:21you'd like to say yes thank you I do so

1:24afterwards I said to him you know how do

1:25you how did you know that these people

1:28had questions and he said to me well it

1:31had to do with how bright their eyes

1:33were and I thought wow you know they

1:37don't teach us that in Minnesota so then

1:40I said well how do you know how bright

1:42their eyes are and he said well you know

1:45in Japan we don't make as much direct

1:47eye contact as you do in the West so

1:50when you ask people if they have any

1:52questions most people are not looking at

1:54you directly but a few people in the

1:57audience are looking directly at you and

1:59their eyes are bright and that indicates

2:02that they would be comfortable with you

2:04calling on them so the next day I gave

2:06another presentation and again I asked

2:08if there were any questions and again no

2:10one raised their hand but this time I

2:13okay I'll just try so I did as he'd

2:16instructed and I looked carefully at the

2:18group and I saw just as he said but only

2:20a couple of people in the room were

2:22looking directly at me and if I really

2:25thought about it well yes okay their

2:27eyes were bright so you know I gestured

2:30to one of them and he kind of went like

2:32that and then I said would you like to

2:34say something and he said yes thank you

2:35so um this was a very important

2:38experience for me because well there's a

2:42an expression in Japanese Japanese which

2:45is kooky yo man die they shortened it to

2:48KY and it means someone who is unable to

2:51read the atmosphere or someone who is

2:54unable to read the air we need to pick

2:57up the communication that's in the air

2:59and here we could see that he clearly

3:01could read the air and I was clearly KY

3:05but I also saw that with a little bit of

3:08assistance and direction that I also

3:10could become better at picking up those

3:13signals that were in the air so then as

3:16I was thinking about this I became very

3:19interested in trying to figure out if

3:21there was a method that we could use to

3:24help people to better read the

3:27atmosphere when they were working with

3:29cultures that they didn't know

3:31intimately and we then started to

3:33develop this this framework that came

3:36from lots and lots of research where we

3:39divided culture up into different types

3:41of behaviors and we started looking at

3:44you know how is Trust built in different

3:46parts of the world and how do we make

3:47decisions differently in different parts

3:49of the world and we saw that we were

3:51able to come up with patterns for how

3:53countries or cultures fell differently

3:56on those scales and though it was very

3:58interesting was that we could also then

4:00start to map cultures up to one another

4:03so for example here you could we map I

4:06map Brazil next to France for you

4:08Brazilian culture to French culture and

4:10you can see on some scales the cultures

4:13are very similar and on other scales

4:15they're very different

4:16I also mapped out here for example

4:18Germany German culture two Singaporean

4:21culture and you can look again at where

4:23the similarities and where the

4:24difference is

4:25on those two scales now as we were going

4:28through this we also I also started to

4:30see that there were a few key lessons

4:32for people who were trying to use this

4:35type of mapping and the first was that

4:37when you looked at these scales people

4:42humans seem to have a tendency to want

4:45to look at them like there was a center

4:47of the world with a right hand side in a

4:50left hand side yet in our multicultural

4:52economy that doesn't make any sense

4:55I saw instead that we had to think

4:57relatively about the scale so I was

4:59amused with the first presentation where

5:02Denis gave this example of what the

5:05French are like and I actually did some

5:08work a while ago where I was working

5:10with a global team and at one point I

5:12asked the British on the team what it

5:14was like to work with the French on

5:16their team and the British said a little

5:18bit like what you heard from me they

5:19said well you know the French they're

5:21very disorganized and they're always

5:22late and they're always changing the

5:24topic in the middle of the meeting so

5:26it's very difficult to follow them but

5:28then when I interview the Indians who

5:31were on the same team and I asked the

5:33Indians what it was like to work with

5:35the French they'd say well you know

5:36Aaron the the French they're so rigid

5:39they're so in adaptable they're so

5:41focused on the structure and

5:43organization and punctuality that

5:46they're not able to adapt as things

5:48change around them and I saw that you

5:50know yes we could see that type of

5:52difference that was reflected on one of

5:55the scales a scheduling scale which

5:57looks at time rate agent and I will just

5:58say that I gave the same example in

6:00Germany a little while ago and one of

6:02the Germans in the room said well you

6:04know Aaron this is a really funny

6:05example for us because we work with the

6:07British all the time and we are always

6:10complaining that the British are exactly

6:12the same way that you've just described

6:15that the British complain about the

6:16friction right so when you look at the

6:19scales the absolute positions of the

6:22scales don't mean anything and trying to

6:24even describe what a culture is like is

6:26not really useful in this type of global

6:29organization that you're working and

6:31instead we need to start being able to

6:33tease out these differences and how

6:35different cultures see one another

6:37so that was the first

6:39the second point was that what it means

6:42to be an effective leader has changed so

6:46completely as we've gone through this

6:49globalization process because of these

6:51cultural differences and that usually

6:53what it means to be an effective leader

6:55in one culture in one society is deeply

7:00linked to how children learn to think

7:05about Authority in their schooling

7:08systems for example so I mean just to

7:12give you an example I think a few people

7:13are from Sweden in this room

7:15well Sweden is one of the most

7:16egalitarian societies in the world and

7:19if you go into a Swedish classroom or

7:20you start looking at the way that

7:22Swedish children are learn you'll see

7:24that there's this strong emphasis on the

7:26fact that the adult is like a

7:29facilitator the teacher can be

7:32challenged and contradicted and is just

7:35there to facilitate learning and then if

7:37you wanted to look for example at let's

7:39say Mexico you might find that the way

7:42that children are raised has a much

7:44stronger emphasis on the fact that the

7:46child should defer to or respect the

7:50authority figure and the teacher for

7:52example in the classroom isn't giving

7:54the knowledge to the children who don't

7:56confront the teacher back and then this

7:59has all sorts of links for you in a

8:01global leadership role I worked with a

8:03Swedish company seco tools and they

8:06bought a big organization in Monterrey

8:09Mexico and now I had all of these

8:11Mexicans who were managing Swedish

8:14people and one of them said to me well

8:16Erin you cannot believe what it's like

8:19to manage and Sweden because they do not

8:21care at all that I'm the boss you know I

8:25go into these meetings I'm trying to

8:27roll out my strategy I'm trying to get

8:29everybody aligned and they're

8:30challenging me they're contradicting me

8:32they're taking their ideas off in other

8:34directions now sometimes I want to just

8:36get down on my knees and I want to plead

8:39with them you know please don't forget

8:41that I'm in charge here so this is

8:45really complicated in today's world

8:47because it means that it's no longer an

8:49tough to know how to lead the Swedish

8:52way or the Mexican way or the French way

8:55or the Chinese way we have to know how

8:57to do all of those things and what would

8:59I see with the most effective global

9:01leaders is that they may have one foot

9:03that's very deeply rooted in their own

9:06culture but then with their own other

9:09foot they're really working on learning

9:11how to motivate their teams in different

9:13types of ways I call this authentic

9:16flexibility and this of course for those

9:19of you who have done this if you've

9:21moved to another country for example and

9:23you're doing this all day long you might

9:25find this is exhausting it takes a lot

9:28of energy and once you're stressed out

9:30you're snapping back to your normal

9:32tendency but we also see that this is

9:34like a muscle so the more that you work

9:36on it the easier it gets

9:38till finally you can get to a point that

9:40you move back and forth easily from one

9:43type of style to another that's the

9:45future of leadership in this global

9:47economy the third point that we

9:49recognized as we were going through this

9:51mapping process was that a lot of people

9:54were saying okay fine today is a world

9:57is all interconnected we're working over

10:00Skype we're working over telephone so

10:03aren't cultural differences impacting us

10:06less but in fact cultural differences

10:09were impacting us in so many more ways

10:12than they were before yet we're totally

10:15unaware of them so to give an example of

10:18this I worked a while ago well let me

10:20just get you thinking about this so in

10:22Germany at the end of a phone call it's

10:27very comfortable and appropriate to get

10:31off of the phone and put in to writing

10:33what's been decided right and you would

10:35then send the recap to the person that

10:37you've been working with I was doing

10:39some work a while ago and with a Saudi

10:41Arabian team and one of his Saudi

10:44Arabian participants said well you know

10:46Erin in my culture if we have a

10:49discussion on the telephone and we make

10:51some decisions verbally that would be

10:53enough for me especially if we have a

10:56little bit of a relationship and then if

10:58you get off of the phone and you put

11:00everything that we've

11:01sided into writing and you send that to

11:03me that's a clear sign to me that you

11:06don't trust me

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