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0:00Five episodes ago, we lost.
0:03Lost?
0:04I thought we've been doing OK.
0:05This is the fight of our lives.
0:08No, this is a podcast.
0:10And we are going to win, whatever it takes.
0:15You know, I gotta say, that was pretty well done.
0:18Thanks.
0:19You kind of nailed that.
0:19Good job.
0:21Yeah, you practiced.
0:22[THEME MUSIC]
0:27Welcome back to the countdown to Avengers Doomsday podcast.
0:31We are in the endgame now.
0:33Oh, how long were you waiting to say that?
0:34So long.
0:35I'm Frank Alvarez.
0:36She needs no introduction, but my incredible co-host.
0:39Iman Vellani.
0:40Thanks for putting up with me to the point
0:42where we have gotten to this episode, because--
0:44Thank you.
0:45It has been-- we have talked Avengers 2012.
0:48We argued about Civil War.
0:50We gushed over Infinity War.
0:51This feels like a weird therapy session, honestly.
0:54And now here we are.
0:55Yeah.
0:56I mean, what do we even say?
0:59Dude, I don't even know what words I would put into what
1:03order, because, like, I want to properly describe
1:06how much this movie means to me and means to me as a Marvel fan.
1:11The entire Infinity saga, it's such a labor of love,
1:14and it really comes down to this film.
1:16And the filmmakers, they're all over this being a fan movie.
1:21This was a gift for us.
1:23Yeah, and it also--
1:24all of these movies have felt like cultural moments,
1:27but this feels like the culmination.
1:29And getting the opportunity to look back on it now,
1:32seemingly-- how many years have we moved?
1:34Are we seven years from it?
1:36It was everything that I wanted it to be then.
1:41And having being able to given the opportunity to look back
1:43on it now with a different-- not necessarily
1:46a different perspective-- but just a different person.
1:49Yeah.
1:49It's still so impressive, and it's such
1:54a lightning in a bottle moment.
1:57Can you Imagine?
1:5811 years, 22 movies worth of storytelling all comes down
2:05to this one three-hour long--
2:08Yes, It was.
2:09It was three hours.
2:10Film.
2:11But it's such a rewarding experience as an audience member
2:15who has invested this much time and energy
2:18and passion and curiosity and love and emotional investment.
2:24It's taxing.
2:25There was so much excitement, because we
2:27walked out of Infinity War on an understandably dour note.
2:32We knew something else was coming.
2:34We said this last week.
2:35And we were so--
2:36we were hungry.
2:36We were thirsty for it.
2:38So the moment that we got something-- and we even just--
2:40when we just found out it was called Avengers Endgame,
2:43immediately, people went back and started scrubbing through,
2:46found the instances where that phrase had been used, and said,
2:50how are we going to piece together
2:51an idea of what this could be?
2:53Because there was not a lot of information that we had.
2:56And that, to me, is so cool, because just having this year
3:00between Infinity War and Endgame made
3:01everybody want to go back and rewatch these movies
3:04and solve the mystery.
3:05And, in doing so, you are completely
3:08rewarded by doing that in Avengers Endgame,
3:11just by knowing what cheeseburgers meant.
3:13Well, there's so many callbacks
3:15and beautiful little ribbons put on things and things
3:18that you also wouldn't think they would call back to.
3:22The cheeseburger line being a great example of that.
3:24That is really from the start.
3:26So when you see something--
3:27They spent some time in Thor The Dark World world.
3:30Yeah, I mean, where, seemingly, they got a lot--
3:34pulled a lot of information from, and there
3:36was just so much here.
3:38I mean, just the time heist.
3:40All of our favorite moments, and it
3:42was just reminding us why we love
3:45these movies so much, because they were all
3:48impressive character moments.
3:50These movies all have emotional arcs or something.
3:53None of them have been quite as emotional, emotional.
3:57I watch this movie-- when I first saw it,
4:00every time after that, including the time
4:03that we rewatched for this, it gets me a little bit.
4:06It definitely gets me a little, like a little, like, ugh, ugh.
4:09You're a little soft in there.
4:11A little.
4:12There's a horse in my throat.
4:14What is it?
4:15A frog in my throat.
4:16That's it.
4:16[LAUGHING]
4:19But pull their weight emotionally.
4:23There's moments that make you cheer,
4:25that make you cry, that make you laugh, that make you scared.
4:28It does it all.
4:30It immediately shows us the weight
4:32of what previously happened.
4:33You know, that opening scene where Clint is on the farm
4:37with his family, and you're--
4:39Like, what a way to start a movie.
4:40Yeah, like you're thrust right back into it.
4:42Like, oh, you were excited, weren't you?
4:44Excited to see Hawkeye, and then
4:45you're just like, everything is ripped away from him.
4:49And mayonnaise on hot dogs, that was the first crime.
4:52Hey, you guys want mayo or mustard or both?
4:56Who puts mayo in a hot dog?
4:58Probably your brothers.
5:00Two mustard, please.
5:01That was strange.
5:03I will say, as a very passionate hot dog fan--
5:06Are you?
5:07If I got dusted with a hot dog in my hand,
5:09not the worst thing that happens.
5:10I mean, there are worse ways to go.
5:12And then you come back, and there's
5:13mayonnaise on your hot dog.
5:14I mean, that, I'd be pissed about, but if I came back
5:16and the hot dog was still there, I'd be like,
5:17oh, it's like nothing happened, you know.
5:19I don't know if the hot dog would have blipped with you,
5:23and, like, where in this limbo is it in those five years?
5:27Like, does it decompose?
5:29Yeah that's a great question.
5:31Does it melt into your hand?
5:32You suddenly have a hot dog hand.
5:34I have questions.
5:35Yeah, there are a lot of like--
5:36I think we didn't get too far into the hot dog lore with
5:38this movie, which, if we can--
5:40OK, that's a whole other podcast.
5:41I agree, I think we could do five episodes on that alone.
5:43Great.
5:44But yeah, no, if I went with a hot dog in my hand,
5:48worst ways to go.
5:49No, but I was already crying.
5:51I mean, those title cards, like the flip logo,
5:54you're immediately missing all of the dusted people,
5:58and I love that little attention to detail.
6:00I feel even the orchestra was thinned out.
6:02The movie just started on a really lonely note.
6:05And then we cut to Tony and Nebula in space.
6:08They're playing-- what is it-- paper football.
6:11Ya!
6:12You don't need to do that, because you're
6:16just holding the position.
6:17The message he records for Pepper is like--
6:20Oh, my god, gut wrenching.
6:21It's like a perfect amount of emotion,
6:24and he's just like, this is going to be real tear jerker.
6:27It's like he's still Tony, but you can feel it fading away,
6:31and he's kind of emaciated.
6:32He's so emaciated.
6:33Oh, my god, and he's back in that black tank top.
6:36And then you just see golden light bathe Tony
6:40as he takes his last breaths, and Carol Danvers
6:43shows up and saves the day.
6:45Oh, my god.
6:46I imagine that that exerted a lot of energy
6:49for her to carry that ship.
6:51Dude, she literally restarted a sun.
6:53Yes, she does.
6:54So she comes to the rescue, grabs Milano, brings it back.
6:57I love that when we-- the next time we've seen-- well,
7:00the first time we've seen Steve since Infinity War,
7:02he's well, clean cut and shaved and everything.
7:07He's shaving.
7:08And then this sink starts to rattle.
7:10Yes.
7:10And then Tony comes out, and it's their first reunion
7:14since Civil War.
7:15Dude, that was like--
7:20I know where you've put your support in Tony.
7:24But watching that, I think everyone got behind Tony there,
7:28because it was understandable to be like-- you look back,
7:32and you see how they had gotten to where they
7:34had gotten in Infinity War.
7:35And he was like, yeah, we did lose, and we weren't together.
7:38We didn't lose together, you know.
7:40And he's just like, coward, liar.
7:42Oh, my god.
7:43The animosity Tony feels towards cap in this moment
7:46is so gut wrenching to watch, because there is that moment
7:50in Civil War where Tony's not speaking, and Cap's like,
7:54it's because he's already made up his mind.
7:55And Tony's like, yeah, you know me so well.
7:57And it's true, though.
7:58They really did become good friends,
8:00and they really do understand each other
8:02on a really soul level, I feel.
8:04And for Tony to look him in the eye,
8:07and rip off his chest piece, and be like, yeah, you're a liar.
8:12You betrayed me.
8:14That was devastating to watch.
8:15It's hard, because they've all lost.
8:18The planet has lost.
8:20They've collectively lost all these people.
8:22And it's going through the montage
8:23showing all the people that were snapped out of existence.
8:27And like, you realize Tony called this.
8:31He was right.
8:32This is as-- back in Avengers Age of Ultron,
8:35he said, this is what I'm trying to protect.
8:38This is what I'm trying to prevent.
8:40And it happens, so you know that he wanted it to be like, I told
8:45you so, but it didn't feel good to say,
8:47I told you so because look at what came--
8:50Tony doesn't want to be right.
8:51No, absolutely not.
8:54What we needed was a suit of armor around the world.
8:57Remember that, whether it impacted our precious freedoms
9:00or not.
9:01That's what we needed.
9:03Captain Marvel show up again.
9:05Well, she's there, and then they go to Thanos garden,
9:08because she's like, I'm going to go kill Thanos now.
9:09BRB. - Yeah.
9:10She's just casual about it.
9:12Yeah.
9:12I mean, I think even Rhodey says,
9:15we could have used that back in Wakanda,
9:17or something along those lines.
9:19But I love that he just shows up on the garden.
9:23He's just making soup.
9:25And I love that they showed his Thanos armor scarecrow,
9:28which is from the comics.
9:29From the comics, yes.
9:30That is such a great image.
9:31And he's like wearing t-shirts.
9:32He's cooking.
9:34He's lost a little weight.
9:36Yeah, he's looking a little rough.
9:37I mean, he's got the limp and stuff like that.
9:40It's interesting, because he gets-- we leave him
9:43on such a high note that to then immediately see him at probably
9:48the weakest that he has ever been,
9:50even though he just won, is such an interesting decision.
9:53I wonder what he feels internally.
9:55If it's a real deep sense of peace,
9:57or if a little part of him was sad to not
10:00share this garden with anyone.
10:02I mean, I think he summed it up in saying,
10:05this is the burden I must bear.
10:07I have to be the one that understands why we got to where
10:11we got to, and then what comes next as a result.
10:14The conversation that they have with him, and he says,
10:18I use the stones to destroy the stones.
10:21I am inevitable.
10:22And off with his head.
10:25Yeah, I mean, Thor does his thing just immediately.
10:28Like, doesn't even wait, just does.
10:30I went for the head, which is what
10:32he has had to carry with him.
10:33And then Nebula though closing her dad's eyes.
10:36Every moment with Nebula and Thanos,
10:38it really moves me to be that forgotten child.
10:43And, you know, she never got the love
10:45from Thanos that she wanted, but she still loves him.
10:48Say that in the camera.
10:49Speak directly to your parents.
10:50It feels like this is coming from a place of understanding.
10:52Mom, Dad, you raised me real well.
10:55I watched this with them, to be fair.
10:57I think I was really insufferable to watch this movie
10:59with, because I didn't let my parents-- like,
11:01I didn't let my parents even take a sip of water.
11:03I mean, you're not really selling
11:04going to the movies with your parents
11:06in a very favorable light right now.
11:07No, but I wanted to share this with them.
11:09I think this is how they bonded with me
11:12and understood me on a very cellular level.
11:16But back to the movie.
11:17We get the five year jump.
11:19Five years later.
11:20What was your reaction to that?
11:21Because I remember it was, like, five years later.
11:25Well, the 5 was like, OK.
11:28And then the years is where there was an audible gasp in.
11:31Because you know what this movie tackles
11:34is how each of these people are dealing with grief
11:37and dealing with loss.
11:38And, for a lot of people, it's not
11:42necessarily time that helps them overcome something like that.
11:44It's personal little milestones and things
11:46that they have to realize.
11:47So when you see a visual representation of-- they've
11:51been living with this for five years, it's like, ooh.
11:54It's like, oh, we're really not coming back from this.
11:56That's crazy.
11:57And then it opens with Cap doing a support group.
12:02And it's just such a sweet moment that like--
12:05oh, they're still persevering.
12:06Of course, Cap would hold a support group.
12:08But see, what we do is we jump from seeing how Cap is dealing
12:11with this to seeing how Black Widow
12:14is dealing with loss and grief.
12:15And these are real ways that a lot of people
12:18like us deal with it.
12:19It's LIKE helping other people and trying to deal with it
12:21ourselves.
12:21And Cap is trying see the bright side.
12:23He's like, I saw some whales.
12:24Yeah, and then you see Black Widow's representation
12:27of dealing with it is just diving
12:29into work, which is a thing that a lot of people do.
12:32She is like constantly on the verge of tears.
12:35Yeah.
12:36Just that beginning that we see her.
12:37Oh, and I love that little like bit.
12:39They added her ballet shoes, on one of the chairs.
12:43And I'm like, I'm glad she picked that back up.
12:46You know, the red of her hair is growing back out.
12:49And it was just like, the attention
12:50to detail in that scene, I was really, really impressed by it.
12:53But we're seeing how these characters right now are dealing
12:58with this loss and this grief.
12:59And then we finally get probably the most
13:03important character that has ever existed in any MCU property
13:08ever.
13:08It's the damn rat.
13:10I mean, I like to think that there is a story to this rat,
13:15and we have just not yet explored it.
13:16And it might be just as emotionally taxing--
13:18I love how we're only 10 minutes into this movie.
13:21And then we get Ant-Man.
13:23And I love when Ant-Man knocks on the Avengers Campus door.
13:27There's this sparkle that comes into Natasha's
13:29eyes, the sense of hope.
13:30Oh, my god, there's something now.
13:32That's the front door. - Ant-Man.
13:33I know you know--
13:34I know you know that.
13:35It's the front gate.
13:36I really need to talk to you guys.
13:37And then obviously they start talking about the time travel
13:40stuff, and they visit Tony, who we see
13:42has fulfilled his dream of having this farm and a kid
13:47with Pepper.
13:48Yeah, which it's weird, because there are people
13:51that experience loss, and they are able to pull
13:54it together and build.
13:56I mean, five years to be able to build that life.
13:59And it looks like Morgan is maybe around
14:02three years old at this time.
14:04So you start to do the mental math in your head
14:07to figure all that stuff out.
14:08But he really came out of this with a reason
14:13to live and continue his life and make
14:16something of the opportunity, which adds to his reluctance.
14:20You know, why are you going to jump
14:22back in and risk everything when you've already-- you have it
14:25now?
14:26Yeah, but it's also like, he must be thinking about Morgan,
14:28too.
14:29Yeah, I have it, but will she have it?
14:31I got to think about her future, too, and the legacy
14:35that I'm leaving behind.
14:36And I have what so many people never got.
14:40I mean, this is the part--
14:43I think, of all the movies-- this
14:44is the one that, seeing it now is a father,
14:47is the most like, whoa.
14:49Because of what you're saying is,
14:52you try to protect your child, and I have it.
14:55I don't want to mess it up.
14:56But then what could be as a result of me
14:59helping and what world will it build for my child who
15:03is sitting here?
15:04I got my second chance right here.
15:07I can't roll the dice on it.
15:09So let's move on to Smart Hulk.
15:12What are your thoughts on Smart Hulk?
15:13Onward and upward, yeah.
15:15Because that was quite a shock to the senses for me.
15:19He figured out the brawn and the brain,
15:21and now he's a local celebrity.
15:23Yeah, I understand why they did it for this movie.
15:26I'm a big fan of the whole raging green monster
15:29thing that he does.
15:30I get why they did it, because they needed to show someone,
15:35like Tony, came out of this and didn't lose entirely.
15:39Yeah, I love when he says that, for so long,
15:41he was thinking of Hulk as the disease, when really
15:44he could have been the cure.
15:45And it's such a great metaphor for accepting
15:48all parts of yourselves and not trying to fight it.
15:51We are every-- we are a prism.
15:55And there was this entire side of the reflection
15:58that Bruce was just ignoring and didn't
16:00want to acknowledge and treat it as this evil poison
16:04inside of him.
16:05And so it's a cool thing on a character moment, but, my god,
16:09when he says Hulk out.
16:10Yeah, dap.
16:12He was like, Hulk out.
16:13And then he-- [LAUGHS].
16:14There was so much memeable content with Smart Hulk.
16:16Where he just goes, listen to your mother, she knows best.
16:20It's like, all right.
16:21I got a little nudge from my mom on that.
16:23Yeah, I bet, I bet, as she was spoiling the rest of the movie
16:27and not even realizing she was doing it.
16:28No.
16:29But Tony figures it out.
16:30He figures out how to properly go through--
16:32Supercash.
16:33We get the really cool montage where Steve, Natasha,
16:38Smart Hulk and Scott are doing the-- and I love the bit,
16:41where he's like, someone peed in my pants.
16:45I don't know if it was old me, baby me or just me me.
16:48Oh, my god.
16:49And then Hulk, you get that great moment of like,
16:51I see this as an absolute win.
16:52Yeah.
16:53Time travel.
16:54Yeah, watching it back, I'm like,
16:56every single one of these lines has been
16:58memed in some way or another.
17:00Let me ask you a question.
17:01Do you-- from the first time you watched it until
17:03the time you watched it now--
17:06have you tried to scream at the screen to tell Tony, don't, stay
17:10where you are, or do you kind of support
17:12him going out and doing it?
17:14Because you could argue honestly either way.
17:16I think I mentally prepared for this,
17:20but I was in such denial at the same time.
17:22I literally changed my phone name to Tony Stark
17:25won't die so that if anybody was airdropping in the vicinity,
17:30it would pop up.
17:31Funny story about that.
17:32When I went in for my Marvel audition, my screen test,
17:35it was with Sarah Finn and Lou D'Esposito,
17:37and Sarah and I took a selfie together--
17:41we took photos with all the producers.
17:43And it was on Sarah's phone, so she airdropped to me,
17:46and she's like, are you Tony Stark won't die?
17:50And I was like, did I get the part?
17:51Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
17:53You knew what you were doing.
17:54Oh yeah.
17:54You dropped the right amount of hints
17:56that you wanted the part.
17:58But now we have it.
18:00Tony has figured out the Mobius strip kind of version to it.
18:04I love the moment where he just goes like, shit.
18:08And then Morgan says it, and then the I love
18:11you 3,000 is just an absolute.
18:15Because that is a legit quantifiable source of currency
18:23in a household with children.
18:25My daughters did that, too, and my son
18:27did that, too, where it would be like,
18:28I love you the biggest thing that they knew.
18:30What was the biggest number?
18:32I don't remember, but the biggest number they knew forever
18:34was 10.
18:35So it was just like, I love you.
18:36Oh.
18:37But then it was the way they were doing 10, so it was like,
18:40I love you like this 10.
18:4110, but it meant more, you know.
18:43Yeah, then I love you like this 10,
18:44so it was not only the context of the number, it was like--
18:47And the fact that it came from RDJ's real kids,
18:50it makes it so personal and so sweet.
18:53And even that moment with Tony and Pepper, which I think
18:56is so important, and it comes back later when Tony's dying.
19:01He's like, what if I just didn't do anything about this?
19:03What if I threw it in the ocean in a locked box and Pepper
19:06was like, well, would you be able to rest?
19:08I mean, that is the biggest question.
19:11It's like, what does closure look like for Tony?
19:15And seemingly we get that here.
19:17You thought that at the beginning of the movie,
19:20having learned that he had a family
19:22and that he has kind of rebounded in a way.
19:25That felt like that might have been his closure.
19:27But there was always like-- you don't plug this stuff
19:30into your table and start looking at it
19:32if you're not going to try to find that closure for yourself.
19:35I mean, Tony's also someone who's always, he can't stop.
19:39He had to stop because of the blip.
19:41But he got this excuse to do a little bit more
19:44tinkering and inventing.
19:46Of course, he took it.
19:48And then, of course, he goes back to Avengers Campus,
19:50gives Cap back his shield.
19:52They are now doing the time heist.
19:54And I love that moment where they're
19:55all putting their fists together,
19:57and it creates a little--
19:58I mean, this is the Avengers.
20:01They're back, and it's taken freaking years
20:04at this point because of everything that
20:05happened, seemingly, after Avengers Age of Ultron,
20:08but they're back.
20:09They figure out that, OK, now we're
20:11going to do this time heist.
20:14Yeah, I feel like we got to speed through this one now.
20:17I could talk about each one for each episode.
20:19Yeah.
20:20We have so many epic moments.
20:22Battle of New York.
20:23Highlights, for you.
20:25What was your favorite parts?
20:26Oh, I mean, when they go back to the Battle of New York,
20:29I really loved just the battle of wits between the Ancient One
20:33and Smart Hulk. - Oh, yeah.
20:35Or Bruce.
20:36It was great to see Tilda Swinton--
20:37I love when she's like, you're a little early for Strange.
20:39Yeah, and just you always got the sense from Doctor Strange
20:43that they had known more than they were letting on.
20:46So in that moment where it's like, you're a little early,
20:48but Strange is supposed to be the best of us.
20:50I love that back and forth, because it just
20:53gave us enough to get us excited about--
20:57And the Ancient One immediately
20:58trusted him when he said like, yeah, well,
21:02Doctor Strange gave Thanos the time stone.
21:05Strange, he gave it away.
21:06He gave it to Thanos.
21:08- Willingly? - Yes.
21:09And there's so many great moments like that.
21:11The Cap v Cap fight.
21:13We get the moment of America's ass.
21:15Yes, we get--
21:16I'm glad you brought up America's ass.
21:18As far as I'm concerned, that's America's ass.
21:21That was a big--
21:22Let's talk about America's ass.
21:24We don't.
21:24I mean, we've talked enough about America's ass.
21:26What else is there?
21:27What else is there to talk about?
21:28I mean, the guy's got it.
21:30He's doing all right for himself.
21:31He is America's ass.
21:32Imagine being the stunt double who's never getting
21:34credit for that being his ass.
21:36Just in the credits, it just says, America's ass, so and so.
21:40Oh, man.
21:41So do me a favor, give me a rundown on the time heist.
21:44Who's going where?
21:45What stones are they trying to get?
21:46So we have Tony, Cap, Ant-Man.
21:50They're all in New York, and then they fumble,
21:54because Hulk hates stairs.
21:56Oh, so many stairs.
22:00And the tesseract falls.
22:02Loki then escapes onto Disney Plus.
22:05[LAUGHING]
22:09Great out.
22:09And then we have Thor and Rocket on Asgard.
22:13This is actually also one of my favorite moments,
22:16because I feel Thor The Dark World never gets a lot of love.
22:20I certainly don't give it enough love.
22:22But there are some really sweet moments, especially with Frigga,
22:26Thor's mom, where she's confronting this new Thor who
22:31she doesn't really recognize, and he
22:33thinks of himself as a failure.
22:35And Frigga is like, well, being a failure makes
22:37you just like everyone else.
22:38And Thor's like, but I am not supposed
22:40to be like everyone else.
22:42And Frigga is like, well, everyone fails at who they're
22:45supposed to be, but the measure of a person
22:48is how well they succeed at who they are.
22:51And I think that is a testament to heroism
22:54and just the thesis of all of these films, which
22:57is like, yeah, the superpowers are cool, and they're fun,
23:02but like, take that off.
23:03What are you?
23:04And how well do you succeed at being that person?
23:08And then Thor stealing his old self's Mjölnir is so fun to me,
23:12and he gets that little boost of validation.
23:15Yeah, well, he needed it, you know.
23:16And honestly, you see little wins during the time heist.
23:21Each of them are getting little things
23:22to just make them feel better about themselves, except for--
23:27Except for--
23:28Except for the team that goes over to Vormir.
23:30Oh, dear.
23:30So we have--
23:32Did no one warn them?
23:34Well, no one knew.
23:35The only person that was there--
23:36Nebula should have said something.
23:37I mean, Nebula knew where it was,
23:39but she might not necessarily have known how to get it.
23:42I mean, that's the debate that people--
23:44She could have put two and two together.
23:46She didn't say until later, like,
23:47oh, yeah, I guess Gamora never came back from there either.
23:50Yeah, but she also--
23:52there was nothing to suggest that the loss of Gamora
23:56is what was going to be the catalyst for getting this.
23:58She just knew that they went, and she didn't come back.
24:00OK, I'll give that to you.
24:01And I mean, it's Thanos, so they guy is not really known
24:04for being an A1 father, so.
24:06No.
24:07But you got three stones in New York,
24:09so you have that team over there.
24:11And then you have two teams that go back to 2014
24:13to get the power stone and the soul stone.
24:15Morag BTS of Chris Pratt dancing to Redbone.
24:19It makes me so happy.
24:21Yeah.
24:23I mean, anytime we can revisit Guardians of the Galaxy,
24:25I'm super pumped, because those movies are some of my favorites.
24:29And then we also get a bit of Camp Lehigh when they need
24:32the-- they fumble on the tesseract, and they're like, OK,
24:35I know where the tesseract is, and I
24:36know we need more Pymm particles,
24:37so we get a de-aged Hank Pymm.
24:40So good.
24:41There's a little teaser to his old comics--
24:43The original comic helmet.
24:45And Tony gets to say bye to his dad.
24:48I think it was everything he needed to hear, because so much
24:51of what he looked back on with his relationship with his father
24:55was like, never being good enough.
24:57And the line when his father says,
24:59the greater good has rarely outweighed my own self-interest.
25:02Yeah.
25:03And that just kind of solidified.
25:05Oh, I can be better.
25:07Here's how I will be better.
25:08And it allowed him to say bye, thank you, gave him a hug.
25:13That's great.
25:13No amount of money ever bought a second of time.
25:15Yeah, it was sweet.
25:17But also having seen seeing what happens as a result at the end
25:22of this movie, it's like, oh that is the most important
25:25scene in the entire movie.
25:26Because that is what puts a nice little bow on Tony's story
25:29and basically just says, from here on out, it is on the way
25:35downhill, but uphill, because it's uplifting,
25:38but it solidified where it was going.
25:39Yeah.
25:40While that happens, we also have Vormir.
25:43But before we get to Vormir, we have Cap seeing Peggy
25:47and stumbling in her office.
25:49Oh, my god, that look of longing as he's
25:52standing in the shadows, and she just somehow doesn't notice him.
25:55So much longing.
25:56Oh, damn.
25:57So much longing.
25:59I will say, under different pretenses,
26:02it's a horror movie, because he's in her office,
26:05and he's just going through her stuff.
26:06He's just standing so close to the window.
26:09Yeah, I mean, I'm glad it was heroic and not terrifying.
26:14The fact of which the photo that she has of him on the desk
26:17is skinny Steve.
26:19Yeah, it's the little-- it's the little
26:20pipsqueak that she liked.
26:21The little guy that she was like, this is my little dude.
26:25Yes, exactly like that.
26:26I think it was a little more--
26:27Just add a British accent.
26:28Yeah, I'm not going to do it.
26:30I'm not even going to try.
26:31It's my little dude.
26:33Yeah, that's a little cockney.
26:34I don't think Haley Atwell was really
26:36going with that version of it.
26:37I can't do it.
26:38So let's just move on.
26:39But that solidifies Cap's journey, as well.
26:43That's where he basically says, if I get the chance to come out
26:46on the other side of this, I'm going to get that life
26:48that Tony told me I need.
26:50Yeah.
26:52You want to get to Vormir, don't you?
26:53- I want to get to Vormir. - All right, go ahead.
26:54Go ahead. Get to Vormir.
26:56It's so sad.
26:56Yeah.
26:57It's so sad.
26:58The fact that--
26:59I think what's so devastating about it is that it should be--
27:04I think Natasha's arc had wrapped up really nicely,
27:08and her sacrifice, to me, made sense.
27:10But the fact that they kept teasing us as they
27:12were fighting of like, who's going to jump off the edge.
27:15And Clint just being feeling like he
27:17doesn't deserve to live after all the red on his ledger now.
27:21All the Ronin stuff.
27:22Yeah, it was pretty intense.
27:23But it's so--
27:25he's had this journey throughout since we
27:28meet him in Avengers where he's under Loki's mind spell.
27:33And the first question he asks when he snaps out of it
27:36is like, how many people did I kill?
27:37And Natasha's like, don't do that to yourself.
27:41But he feels so guilty.
27:42And that's like, dude, you actually have a family.
27:45You have something to live for.
27:47Well, during the time heist, we allow each of them to feel,
27:52and a little before the time heist, too, I guess.
27:53But during this act, certainly, you
27:55allow them to feel like they are making up for the losses
28:01of the last movie.
28:02And Black Widow, it feels like she makes up for it
28:05by bringing Clint back and rescuing him from the life
28:09that he was going out and living.
28:10And that was how he was dealing with his grief.
28:12So in her mind, it's just like, I've already got back
28:16the only family that I-- someone that I lost
28:19and the people that I care for, so I'm good.
28:23And man, that scene is just--
28:25the way that the music goes and undercuts everything.
28:30That final shot of Clint alone in that,
28:34the Vormir water holding the soul stone.
28:36It is crushing.
28:38Yeah, it's tough.
28:39But the big thing that we haven't talked about here
28:42is, as Nebula and Rhodey go back to 2014 to find the power stone,
28:47her wires get crossed with 2014 Nebula.
28:51So smart.
28:51And then Thanos, in 2014, which
28:55I think it was an Easter egg that they
28:57were fighting the Carbonites.
28:59I honestly don't know.
29:00Maybe.
29:01Maybe.
29:02I'm too far into the weeds here, but they basically--
29:052014 Thanos, a younger, more aggressive.
29:10He's at the start of his journey.
29:12Yeah.
29:13Then he gets into like--
29:17oh, this is let's view it all.
29:18This is what my destiny is like.
29:20I am inevitable.
29:22I am bound to win.
29:24And it is something that I need to make
29:26sure happens in this timeline and their timeline.
29:29And that's when we get the real revisiting
29:34of the villain of this movie.
29:35Because up until then, Thanos was gone.
29:37We didn't know what was going to happen.
29:38And we get him back, and we--
29:41He's even scarier.
29:43Take off from there, yeah.
29:44So they come back to Earth.
29:46They grieve over Natasha.
29:48She's not coming back.
29:52We have to make it worth it.
29:54And now Thor is the one who wants to try to do the snap.
29:58And Hulk is like, nah, I got this.
30:02Yeah, he's like, it's like I'm made for it.
30:03Oh, my god.
30:04- You know, and because-- - I'm sorry.
30:05That line.
30:06The radiation that's coming off of it is mostly gamma.
30:09So he feels this sense of like, OK, here's where I can step up.
30:14And it's the Hulk.
30:15It's not an earthly being anymore
30:19because of all, you know.
30:20So he feels this sense of like, I'm going to do this.
30:22Yeah.
30:23I'm going to step up.
30:24And from there on out, it is non-stop.
30:28My god.
30:29But I like the way they had that moment of quiet
30:31and eased us into the fact that the snap worked.
30:34We hear a little bit more birds.
30:36Laura calls Clint, and he's like, oh, my god, so choked
30:40up trying to answer that phone call.
30:42Well, not even just that, but I love how they did the birds.
30:45The birds.
30:46I love the birds of it all.
30:47You love the birds.
30:48I love the birds.
30:49I like a good bird every now and-- unless it's a pigeon.
30:51I don't want to see any pigeons.
30:53Yo, I'm with you on that.
30:54I'm done with pigeons.
30:56If they opened the window, and they saw pigeons outside,
30:59I would resnap and be like--
31:01I think I don't like pigeons, because they don't fear us.
31:03They don't fear us, especially a city pigeon.
31:06If I open the window, and I was like, it's beautiful.
31:08They're back.
31:09And I saw just a city pigeon.
31:10The take away from this episode is rats and pigeons.
31:12Let's bring everyone back but the pigeons.
31:14Yeah, OK, so the pigeons.
31:16Now, if we put the gauntlet on the table, would you feel you
31:22should snap or I should snap?
31:24Oh, you can do it.
31:25Oh, I don't like how you answered that so quickly.
31:27No, - You're can do it.
31:28Now that I asked, I'm kind of regretting that.
31:30You can totally do it.
31:31I believe in you.
31:32Yeah, you know what?
31:33Maybe--
31:34I'll stand over there.
31:35Maybe I don't believe in myself.
31:37How about that? - Oh.
31:38Yeah, maybe I don't believe in myself.
31:39So high and mighty two seconds ago.
31:41So where do we go from there?
31:43Thanos arrives.
31:44That he does.
31:45Thanos arrives.
31:46Battle of Earth begins.
31:48We have so many epic moments where
31:53Tony is using the power of Thor's lightning,
31:56and this insane moment.
31:57And Thanos does the Thanos-copter moment.
31:59Thanos-copter.
32:00When I was rewatching this moment as Mjölnir starts
32:05to hover above the ground, it's like I
32:07could like phantom hear all of the cheers in the movie theater.
32:12I knew it.
32:13But you hear the crunch of Stormbreaker in Thor's chest,
32:18and you're like, oh, no.
32:19And then the soap on the rope comes back.
32:22The soap on the rope comes back, and you get it.
32:25And I'll tell you, Cap has looked like he's
32:28used this thing before.
32:29Oh, definitely.
32:30When Thor goes to sleep, Cap is practicing.
32:33He's giggling on his way into his room.
32:36And he's just like, hehe hehe hehe.
32:38He knows how to be a spy.
32:39Yeah, he knows exactly what he's doing.
32:41Yeah, he had those moves down.
32:44He was summoning lightning and like, my god, that first swoop.
32:50I mean, it's perfection.
32:51It felt good.
32:52It was a really, really sweet, earned moment for the fans.
32:56And I don't think I can ever get over--
32:59I would rewatch the videos that people
33:02took secretly in the theater as they started to explode.
33:06Yeah.
33:07It's just so cool that we got to experience that.
33:10Oh, dude, first of all, don't take videos, but--
33:14But thank you to whoever did.
33:16The ones that were like--
33:17I've seen compilations of Avengers
33:20Endgame audience moments, and I watch them every single time.
33:23I'm not swiping away for one second.
33:25I might watch them twice, maybe even three times,
33:27because it just transports you back.
33:31That's what you want.
33:32And the fact that it doesn't even end there.
33:34You have this moment of like, oh, my god, all hope is lost.
33:37Yes
33:38And then a little crackle of sparkle.
33:42Well, was, at any point, after the snap,
33:45to bring everyone back?
33:47Were you even thinking where are they?
33:50Or were you just so inundated with what was happening that it
33:52didn't even cross your mind?
33:53So let me tell you, I started crying on minute five--
33:58- Of the whole movie? - Yeah.
33:58Gotcha.
33:59My whole body was tensed.
34:01I think my pants kind of melted into the seat.
34:04It was just not fun to be in my body.
34:08I remember my head was getting so hot.
34:10I couldn't feel anything.
34:11Everything was buzzing.
34:12And then the portals.
34:14I'm just sobbing and laughing, and I'm so happy.
34:18And you could just feel everybody in the theater.
34:21There was like a string that connected all of us.
34:24We were breathing at the same time
34:26and laughing at the same time.
34:28Like, how special.
34:29As it's happening.
34:30So like these portals start opening.
34:32First, we see Okoye, Shuri and T'Challa,
34:36and then Sam flies over them, and then
34:38it's just like, oh, oh, whoa.
34:42And it's such a like, this is where I really
34:46started to get emotional.
34:47And I'm going to keep it together here as best as I can.
34:50No, no, don't.
34:50These.
34:51The properties, the characters, they
34:54have been such a sense of joy and relief and wonder and heart
35:00and imagination and creativity for-- not just the duration
35:04of the movies, but the comics, going back
35:08to way before both of our time.
35:10So seeing that, it felt like you were
35:13being hugged by the history of what
35:16was going on in front of you.
35:17And you know what got me?
35:19I'm not kidding.
35:21A few months prior to this movie, Stanley had passed away.
35:24Yeah, and I sit there, and I'm watching this.
35:27And I just feel this sense of the pride
35:31that Stan Lee and all of the Marvel team
35:34and all of the great writers and artists
35:37and everyone just watching this stuff
35:41happen that they have devoted their life to in front
35:43for a audience like that.
35:45It is honestly overwhelming.
35:47Truly, this film is a labor of love.
35:49And I'm so touched and so moved still thinking about it now.
35:55We've come so far from Endgame and the fact
35:58that we could just drop right back in rewatching
36:00this movie with this mindset of like, oh, my god,
36:04I was a part of that.
36:05I watched this for the first time with the world.
36:08And even if we weren't physically holding our hands,
36:11we were holding our feelings together,
36:13and it was just so beautiful.
36:14Well, like the sense of community that that created
36:17was so intense.
36:18And honestly, this is what these movies do to people,
36:23is they make them feel loved, seen, accepted, included,
36:28and the swell of all that happening.
36:30And then just the splash page of it all happening
36:34where we finally get our first.
36:36Give it to me.
36:37Give me the line.
36:39Cap finally says it.
36:40He looks over, and he says, Avengers--
36:43Assemble.
36:45[THEME MUSIC]
36:55Everyone screamed, dude.
36:57- Yeah. - Everyone.
36:58It's crazy.
36:59I think the first person you hear screaming is Thor,
37:02and the audience screamed with him.
37:05I could have stood up and started running.
37:07I don't think any movie ever again will have that kind
37:10of hold over an audience.
37:12So much happens in this last battle.
37:14Oh, my god, yeah.
37:14Tony and Peter hug.
37:16Sorry, we keep getting away from this.
37:17I love that that's the first place that you start,
37:19because everyone else would be like, you know, there's Ant-Man,
37:22or a giant man at this point, is punching Leviathans and stuff.
37:26But yeah, the first is the hug.
37:27That is the emotional.
37:28It was so sweet, because Tony never hugs him.
37:32Yeah, I think that's the callback
37:35again to the line where--
37:36And he's like, oh, this is nice.
37:37He's like, I'm not--
37:38I'm just opening the door for you.
37:40And then we get Carol blasting through Sanctuary.
37:43And then, of course, that final moment with Tony and Thanos
37:48where the nanobots secretly just steal all the infinity stones.
37:52Are you kidding me?
37:53That is so smart.
37:54I mean, again, we're getting, like we saw in Infinity War,
37:59we just were like--
38:02what's the word I'm looking for--
38:04conditioned to be like, little win,
38:06big loss, little win, big loss.
38:07Oh, yeah.
38:08So in this moment when you're getting--
38:10it's following the same rhythm.
38:12You know what I'm saying?
38:13It's following the same--
38:15Emotional seesaw.
38:16Yeah, so you're like, whoa, oh, whoa, oh.
38:20So you feel that anxiety that you
38:22felt at the end of Infinity War, and the stakes
38:25are higher at this point.
38:26But also you felt like you were being conducted
38:28by the filmmakers, too.
38:30Because to go from such roar of applause of Cap lifting
38:34Mjölnir the portals, and then pin drop silence
38:39during Tony's sacrifice.
38:41And I am Iron Man.
38:52What a perfect ultimate sacrifice.
38:56He wasn't just saving the universe,
38:59but also the fact that he was doing it for his family.
39:01And at the end, Pepper was like--
39:03the first thing she says.
39:04She's like, we're going to be OK.
39:06You can rest now.
39:07Yeah, I mean, the first few people that see him.
39:09It's Rhodey. - Peter.
39:10It's Peter.
39:11Peter's sobbing.
39:12And it's Pepper, and it's like--
39:13those are the ones that like, you're learning through
39:16their emotions on screen.
39:18That's where the connection is with those people,
39:21because you feel the wind and you see people starting to dust
39:25away, and you're like, OK, yes, wow.
39:28Oh, but at what cost?
39:30Yeah, and it's just so amazing that they had the guts
39:33to pull the plug on Tony.
39:36His death gave meaning to the entire Infinity Saga,
39:40to his entire arc and to so many other people's arcs, as we see
39:44in Spider-Man: Far From Home.
39:47It's just the perfect cap, and he became the person that he
39:51always had the potential to be.
39:53And again, that's the hero gig.
39:56Part of the journey is the end.
39:58I love that we get just the closure of all of this--
40:02Yeah, Tony's funeral.
40:03Oh, I mean--
40:05Like, the fact that they even brought Harley back.
40:07Yeah, that was cool.
40:08There were so many really sweet moments.
40:10We see Nick Fury and Carol.
40:12Everybody showed up, and god, you just feel
40:16like you're mourning with them.
40:17You feel like you're mourning with them,
40:19but also you're proud of them, which is so funny to say
40:22about the creative team and the actors
40:26and everyone that made all of this come together.
40:28But you have felt like you went through the battle.
40:31You were along the ride for the emotional roller coaster.
40:34So as Tony rests, there is a sense of like,
40:38now I can take a deep breath.
40:39OK, I want to use my summoning powers one more time,
40:42but I'm a little nervous.
40:43- One last time. - Yeah.
40:45All right, OK.
40:45Yeah, but I'm shy.
40:47I mean, you've done it so many times now.
40:49But it's the big guy.
40:51There's many, many of those.
40:52No, like, my favorite one.
40:54Oh, oh, you can do it.
40:56OK, RDJ, no, yeah, hi.
41:01So I would like to know what made you want to come back
41:04to the MCU for this role as Victor Von doom,
41:07especially after such an epic sendoff in Endgame?
41:11Iman, nice to see you, sweetie.
41:13What brought me back was the opportunity to redefine
41:17the genre of superhero movies.
41:19So that's a tall order.
41:21And you know Mr. Feige, you know the group, we love a challenge.
41:25And we figured, wow, let's really mix it up and see if we
41:28can get ourselves excited.
41:29Because if we're excited, the audience will soon follow.
41:34That's a lot of power.
41:35That's a lot of power to be able to throw to something like that.
41:38Good for you.
41:38Oh, my god.
41:39I mean, great power, man.
41:42We will get to the Avengers Doomsday of it
41:45all in a few minutes.
41:46Before we get there, though, I love
41:47doing these little superlatives for you.
41:49Yeah, it's become a bit of a tradition.
41:51We've done MVP a couple times.
41:54Why don't we start somewhere different?
41:55Which of the portal entrances was your favorite?
41:58Oh, Howard the Duck was in there, wasn't he?
42:01He was.
42:02Yeah, that's the one.
42:05Of all the ones, that's the one.
42:08OK, you know what?
42:09I'm just glad they thought of him.
42:10I'm not going to yuck your yum.
42:11If you liked it--
42:12Thank you.
42:13Then all the power to you.
42:14Why, who would be yours?
42:15I mean, oof, there's so many to pick from.
42:21I loved seeing the Asgardians, because it's not
42:24like they were set up as like--
42:25Valkyrie on that Pegasus, are you kidding me?
42:27Yeah, fun fact.
42:29This movie was one of the reasons my first daughter's
42:32name was almost Valkyrie.
42:34- Almost. - Almost, yeah.
42:35I mean, we went through a couple different--
42:37That was almost a story.
42:38(LAUGHING) Yeah, we went through a couple
42:40different names, but that's why just seeing the Asgardians
42:43show up.
42:44And then you see the people from the Sanctum Santorum.
42:47There's so much, but I did like seeing that.
42:49Because I didn't even remember--
42:51I know we saw the Asgardians earlier,
42:52but it just felt like they got a thing to do over there.
42:54They're running their own thing.
42:55They're not going to show up.
42:57And boy, did they?
42:58And the line between--
43:00the interaction between Strange and Wong, where he's like,
43:03is that everybody?
43:04He's like, you wanted more?
43:05Yeah, loved it.
43:06Crazy.
43:07There are quite a lot of comedy moments in this film
43:10that I'm so surprised that they still manage to fit those in.
43:13One of my favorites is when Tony interacts
43:16with Rocket the first time.
43:18This man is emaciated.
43:20He's angry, he's grieving, and he still
43:23has time to quip and be like, for a second, I
43:26literally just thought you were a build a bear.
43:28- Yeah. - And that was like, maybe I am.
43:29It was also nice to see Thor supporting Korg and not allowing
43:34him to get cyberbullied.
43:35We never went through the NoobMaster69--
43:37Yeah, NoobMaster69.
43:40If you had asked me to put together
43:41words to find in any of these movies,
43:43NoobMaster69 absolutely not have been there.
43:48Absolutely not.
43:49Do you have a favorite time travel moment in the time heist?
43:53Ooh, that's a good question.
43:55Or old Steve, which we never talked about.
43:58Can we talk about old Steve?
43:59You know what? Forget that question.
44:00Rip it up. Tear it out.
44:01Throw it at the screen.
44:02Who cares?
44:03Old Steve, I'm looking at you.
44:05Who are you?
44:06Where'd you come from?
44:07You don't make sense.
44:07Oh, you're getting angry about it.
44:10Old Steve is such a conundrum to me.
44:12Yeah, who knows when and where he's from.
44:15Especially now that we know who Cap in Doomsday is.
44:18So is this him surviving Doomsday,
44:22and then he goes back--
44:23I'll be honest with you.
44:24I'll be honest with you.
44:26I know someone that looks like Cap is in Doomsday.
44:28I don't know what we're getting in that movie.
44:30So who knows if we're going to get answers to who
44:33this person is or anything?
44:35Well, this is what-- they don't tell me anything.
44:37You're so PR trained.
44:38I mean, but they don't tell me anything.
44:40So I have to sit there, and I have to use the tools
44:42that they have given me, which has not been much.
44:44You understand?
44:45Yeah, speak for yourself.
44:47Avengers Doomsday, we're talking about it.
44:49What, from Avengers Endgame and the Avengers Endgame re-release,
44:53which is coming out-- what do you think
44:54we're going to take from this movie
44:56and bring with us into Avengers Doomsday?
44:58You had to give me the question.
45:01I mean, I can answer it.
45:02Answer it.
45:02I mean, I feel like the obvious would
45:04be the Thanos-Doom parallels.
45:06I think Thanos is such a strong villain and so much
45:11of that comes out of Josh Brolin's performance.
45:13And so giving RDJ the wheel on, honestly, my favorite villain
45:20in comic history.
45:22Doctor Doom means a lot to me as a reader and as a fan.
45:25And I have so much faith in him as a performer,
45:30so I'm very curious to see how that comes out.
45:32Because I think, on the page, Thanos
45:34could have fell flat in a lot of places,
45:37but because of that performance, it's so strong
45:39and so memorable and so iconic.
45:41I imagine that we will see a line drawn from this movie
45:45to Avengers Doomsday with the line, you mess with time,
45:49it tends to mess back.
45:50Because I mean, that seems to be Doom's thing.
45:54And it's his thing.
45:56Everyone's got a thing.
45:57Doom's thing is time.
45:58I imagine that that line is going to-- as we had heard lines
46:01previously, the suit of armor around the world and Avengers
46:04Age of Ultron-- this is going to be
46:07the one where we're going to look
46:08at it and just be like, time--
46:10Especially with Loki coming back after his show.
46:13Yeah, we saw Loki in the trailer.
46:15We saw the little TVA card.
46:17Yeah, I'm excited.
46:19I'm very, very excited.
46:20All right, so we are closing the chapter on our rewatch
46:23of the Infinity Saga.
46:24Thank you so much for joining us.
46:26As we revisit these five films.
46:28We truly had the time of our lives.
46:30Yeah, it's been awesome.
46:31Such a pleasure.
46:32And yeah, I just hope you guys all enjoy the Avengers
46:35Endgame Encore in theaters.
46:37And then very soon, December 18th, Avengers Doomsday.
46:41Oh, I will be seated.
46:43I will have no drink.
46:44And I may or may not be holding the hands of everyone around me.
46:46And a soap on a rope.
46:47Definitely.
46:48And a horse in the throat.
46:50I will be prepared.
46:51That's all you need to know.
46:52Thank you, guys.
46:53Take it easy.
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47:00Marvel Studios Avengers Endgame
47:02now streaming on Disney Plus.
47:18You know, you need a little more heft.
47:22You need a little more speed.
47:24And you need to-- and you need to--
47:26you need to just put your whole body into it.
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