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I Got Something to Say — with Don Lee

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0:08So, let's start with your name.

0:11Here we go.

0:12So, now let's start with this and that.

0:13I'm going to give you two options and

0:15just give me one that comes to your

0:17head. Do not even think about it. Okay,

0:19ProjectWise that's slow or SharePoint

0:22pretending to be ProjectWise?

0:24>> ProjectWise that's slow.

0:27>> A brand new feature that nobody asked

0:29for or fixing that annoying feature that

0:32everybody complained about for years.

0:35>> Obviously, you want to fix the annoying

0:37feature.

0:38>> Really? Okay.

0:39>> Absolutely.

0:42>> OpenRoads crashes uh once a day or never

0:46crashes but

0:48have to use light mode forever, like no

0:50dark mode.

0:53>> Well, interestingly enough, I use light

0:55mode in OpenRoads but I use dark mode in

0:58MicroStation.

1:00>> Oh.

1:01Oh, okay. Strange behavior.

1:04>> Strange behavior.

1:05>> OpenRoads or OpenBridge?

1:07>> OpenRoads.

1:09>> ProjectWise or Bentley Infrastructure

1:10Cloud?

1:11>> Bentley Infrastructure Cloud.

1:13>> One ultra-wide monitor or two monitors?

1:16>> Two monitors.

1:17>> Okay, fix old uh features or build new

1:19features?

1:21>> You got to fix the old features first.

1:24>> Okay.

1:25Lose Wi-Fi for a day or lose control Z

1:29forever?

1:29>> Control Z forever.

1:31>> Okay, Don. So, now you survived this and

1:33that. So, now let's switch something

1:34else. Let's I mean

1:36let's introduce you to people.

1:38Um so, first tell me who you are, what

1:42do you do?

1:43Let's start there.

1:45>> Yeah, uh so, my name is Don Lee.

1:48I'm a principal solution architect for

1:51Bentley Systems. I work in solution

1:53engineering.

1:54So, what do I do?

1:56Um

1:57I'm kind of in a pre-sales unit, but uh

2:01you know, I'm a technical uh individual

2:04that meets with accounts to

2:06uh try to see how they can leverage

2:08their technology not just for today, but

2:11for tomorrow as well. And along the way

2:13I get to make stuff up. It's fun.

2:15>> Okay. So, if I if I'm going to ask you,

2:18can you summarize your career journey

2:21in three points?

2:22>> Um I work at Bentley for the last 12 and

2:24a half years. Um I worked in the

2:27industry for about 22 before that. Um on

2:30the consultant side. And then I

2:34uh

2:35was in the US Navy on a nuclear sub.

2:40There you go.

2:42>> Okay, cool. Um what does Don

2:45enjoy in your work right now? The

2:47current position of work that you have.

2:48What is one thing that you enjoy, really

2:50enjoy, bring you joy?

2:52>> Yeah, so I think the the thing that I

2:55enjoy most right now is being able to

2:58look at

2:59the technology that we're making

3:01and try to figure out how we can get

3:05that realized in in the way

3:07organizations are working. So, I kind of

3:10get to you know, seed this into these

3:13organizations and there's some things

3:15that excite me. Hopefully, it excites

3:16those individuals. I see a lot of

3:18opportunities. And getting to apply that

3:21with others is is a lot of fun.

3:24>> Okay.

3:25Can you tell us one thing that people I

3:27mean, most people know you as Bentley

3:28Don, but can you just tell us one thing

3:31that people wouldn't know?

3:33And you're okay to share.

3:36>> I like music festivals a lot.

3:39>> Okay.

3:40What's your favorite artist?

3:42Or at least pick one. I shouldn't say

3:44favorite.

3:44>> Pick one.

3:45Um I don't know. Right now, I would say

3:49maybe Fred again.

3:51>> Great. Good to know.

3:55Okay. Uh so, welcome to my favorite part

3:58of the show. Uh in this segment, I will

4:01do some roasting, vent about something,

4:03and also attempt comedy. So, let's talk

4:06about a little tool in ORD, and it's

4:08called create template. Uh look at this

4:11thing.

4:11>> Mhm.

4:12>> Because apparently, the future of

4:14infrastructure runs on Windows 95. This

4:17isn't civil engineering software. This

4:19look like a control system inside a Cold

4:22War submarine. Are we supposed to be

4:24designing highways?

4:26This thing, just look at it. This thing

4:28look like a It's like a thing that it's

4:31monitor Russian activity in North

4:32Atlantic somewhere.

4:34But, we still use it to build roads. And

4:37look, I respect that. I respect actually

4:39what is going on. Uh create template can

4:42build highways,

4:44but it cannot modernize an interface. It

4:46can actually model a 70 mph corridor,

4:50but visually has not moved since the

4:52'90s.

4:54It can model six-lane interstate, but

4:57apparently, dark mode was bridge too

4:59far.

5:01But, I have to be fair to Bentley.

5:04They have updated create template over

5:07the years. Apparently, at some point,

5:09they added the ability to model a

5:11circle.

5:12>> Mhm.

5:13>> We brought it back, actually.

5:15>> Oh, okay, cool. So, [laughter]

5:17everybody calm down. Innovation is

5:19happening. A circle.

5:22>> Cool.

5:22>> A circle. So, we can do tunnels.

5:24>> Um great. [clears throat]

5:26Okay, 30 years of software development,

5:28and geometry has officially entered the

5:31chat.

5:32What's next, Don? Triangles?

5:35>> We We can do triangles.

5:37>> [laughter]

5:39>> But, I've been thinking about this for a

5:41[clears throat] while now. There must be

5:44a reason. There's no way an interface

5:47survived this many years accidentally.

5:50So, I have a conspiracy theory.

5:53I don't have a lot of them actually, but

5:55I kind of like 80% believe in this one.

5:58I think the original developer who

6:01actually created the template sometimes

6:03in early 90s left Bentley, something

6:06happened to them, went into witness

6:08protection, and took the source code

6:10with them. Nobody knows where they are.

6:15Nobody knows how this thing actually

6:18work inside Bentley, and nobody's

6:20actually willing to touch it. Or do you,

6:22by the way? That's a question for you.

6:24Why is nobody touching it?

6:26>> We would have to check.

6:28We would have to check.

6:29>> Okay, interesting.

6:30>> Maybe Maybe Scott's touched it. I don't

6:32know.

6:33>> I'm trying to run a show here, Mr. Don.

6:36I'm trying to be professional. This is a

6:38show, cuz you know

6:38>> has just been taken over.

6:41>> It's my show, sir. Excuse me.

6:43>> It's called Don and

6:46by Don Lee.

6:49>> Okay, let me get to the jokes, please.

6:51>> Continue. Do your jokes.

6:55>> So, this is not just an old interface.

6:58This is actually a load-bearing

6:59interface. You change one button, the

7:02entire program collapses. You update the

7:04font, a corridor will disappear. You

7:07round up the corners, super elevation

7:09will stop working. You change the gray

7:11background, Florida is gone.

7:14>> Mhm.

7:15>> Nobody knows why. Nobody wants to found

7:18out. But Bentley, please, for the love

7:21of infrastructure, give template create

7:24template a facelift. And if it's And And

7:27if you guys absolutely refuse to update

7:30it, you know what? It's fine. At the

7:32very least, tell us, where is the

7:35original developer? Don, you can end

7:38this right now. Seriously, today. His

7:40family need closure. I'm being serious.

7:44No comment?

7:45But I will give Create Template one

7:48thing, which is respect. Think about

7:50everything actually this interface has

7:52survived. Windows 8,

7:55>> Mhm.

7:56>> MySpace,

7:57Internet Explorer,

7:59the iPod, Facebook being cool,

8:03Twitter becoming X. Uh, we actually went

8:06from Nokia brick phones to a smartphone

8:08to actually right now AI will generate

8:10videos just from text. And Create

8:13Template looked at all this technology

8:16and progressive and it says, "No."

8:19Still boxy, still gray here, not going

8:22nowhere. And somehow it is still gray.

8:2530 years of technology advancement and

8:28this, do you understand how massive that

8:29is, Don? Like seriously, that's one

8:31piece of ORD. It survived all this and

8:34still look like that. That is massive.

8:37>> It is.

8:38It is.

8:39>> Okay, cool. Do not defend it. You are

8:41under oath. Uh, because at this point

8:44Create Template is in legacy software.

8:46It is actually like a cockroach with a

8:48file menu. Nuclear war happened

8:50tomorrow, there would be only two things

8:53left. Cockroaches and Create Template

8:56asking you to find your point

8:58constraints. And honestly, Bentley,

9:00respect. 30 years or more, still gray,

9:04still standing, still building highways,

9:07zero go up and somehow undefeated.

9:10>> It's quite quite amazing.

9:12>> Okay. So now let's go to the main topic

9:14of this episode, which is me.

9:17Well,

9:18me and my inspiration for other people.

9:21Hold on. Me inspiring other people. So

9:24y'all, Mr. Don, he told me that he did

9:27something

9:29because he saw me did something.

9:32And it was Actually, I was so happy to

9:35hear that. So,

9:36I would like you, Don, to talk about

9:39that if you don't mind.

9:41>> Yeah, so I love our industry and what I

9:44love most about it is that all of us are

9:48There's two things I say, innovators and

9:50duplicators, and I don't mean anything

9:52bad about duplicators, but I think the

9:54creativity is fantastic. And what do I

9:58mean by that?

9:59Your video with sleepy Pikachu and what

10:02you're doing to advance, you know, in

10:06our tool sets and and develop your own

10:08tools.

10:10I watched the video, it was pretty cool.

10:11It was very inspiring and I liked it. Um

10:14I think that's what it is. We're all,

10:16you know, a ragtag bunch of people

10:18trying to just improve the way the world

10:20works and it fascinated me. But one

10:23thing I noted, Zuhaer, that I thought

10:24was interesting was

10:27you had two videos. One of the videos

10:29was showing how to like install it.

10:32And I kept looking at it and my job,

10:35right, every day is to look at friction

10:37and how can we do things better than the

10:39day before? I think we're all thinking

10:41like that.

10:42>> Yes.

10:42>> And I just thought, you know, you're

10:44only as good as those around you.

10:45Sometimes you need someone to sidle up

10:47and look and go, "Hey, you know, I can

10:49do that in a few clicks less."

10:51And this one, I thought this and I

10:53watched and I'm like, "There's a couple

10:54of setup things that

10:56wow, that I that takes a bit of time."

10:59And so I thought to myself, you know, is

11:02there a better way? Could there be a way

11:03to take this genius idea and accelerate

11:06it? And so

11:08after contemplating, thinking, I kind of

11:11dawned on this idea that I think there's

11:13going to be a catalyst here with this

11:16advancement in MCP and Python

11:19that

11:21people are going to create a lot of cool

11:23things, but the problem is we're going

11:25to have a very hard time

11:27trying to organize our thoughts in the

11:29one space and and consume them well. And

11:32how do we validate who's like you put

11:35that out on the web?

11:37What if it changes? What if you improve

11:39it? Do I have the old one? How do I know

11:41to go back? You know, where do I go back

11:43to? So,

11:44I came up with an idea to develop a

11:46GitHub site. The idea is this, to create

11:48a space, an open space where everybody

11:51can

11:52congregate and essentially feed their

11:55tools. I'm thinking it more along the

11:57lines of like the Apple App Store

11:59for all of these really cool innovators.

12:02And

12:03you know, the thought wasn't about the

12:05tools themselves, but how we could

12:07harvest and centralize these into one

12:10space where everybody has,

12:12you know, a place to build them better.

12:14Cuz I think ultimately we all want to

12:16strive for the same thing. So, um it's a

12:19GitHub site, but uh it's something that

12:21I built and just wanted to give it away

12:23and let everybody else take it and run

12:25with it. But, the idea is

12:27develop your code, centralize it there.

12:29Um it can go through some governance, so

12:31some approvals. Make sure you hit some

12:33of the requirements.

12:35And once it goes through as kind of a

12:36tested and trusted tool, which will be

12:39kind of governed by peers, not by

12:42myself, just a bunch of individuals.

12:45>> Seriously, that's a great idea, Don.

12:46It's

12:47and I believe like when more people put

12:49it out there, it's going to catch

12:51traction. And it's helpful, like you

12:53said.

12:54>> Mhm.

12:54>> And as long as it's in a place that it's

12:56kept maintained and looked after, not

12:59just another foreman enter that's going

13:00to disappear in 2 years.

13:02>> Exactly.

13:03>> Okay.

13:04Don,

13:05what is digital delivery to you?

13:07>> Okay.

13:09I like when people ask this. So, I

13:11started out in technology.

13:13Um so, everything that we're moving

13:16towards is about data.

13:18We've worked about We've talked about

13:21different data formats, data schemas,

13:23data dictionaries.

13:25Um

13:26and let's think a lot

13:29like the simplistic perspective of what

13:31we've done in our careers with geometry.

13:33A point is just a single instance,

13:36right?

13:37Whereas a line is a distance between

13:39those points.

13:40Uh and it's got an infinite number of

13:42points between it.

13:44Well, with digital delivery, if we think

13:47about data being a point or a moment,

13:50digital delivery is about the data in

13:52motion, the data in flow between these

13:54two points. And then

13:56if we think about the points being the

13:58same point, it's kind of a digital

13:59thread tying a knot on itself.

14:02Um the delivery is just really

14:04understanding that that infinite journey

14:07between those two points, even if they

14:08come back to themselves. So, digital

14:11delivery to me, to summarize, is just

14:13data in motion, understanding the

14:15handoffs and supply chain, and the

14:18necessary

14:19aspects of that data, how it's going to

14:22be visualized for that persona

14:24in that moment with

14:27connectivity. So, the closest thing I

14:31can say that most people can relate,

14:33it's like defining a new internet but

14:34for engineers. The digital is just

14:36taking a concept that we already

14:38naturally know, and we're just putting

14:41it into a system much like an email

14:43moves through the internet.

14:45Uh we just got to make sure that it's

14:48going through the right checks and it's

14:49saying the right things because we want

14:51to make sure that when the message gets

14:53to the other end,

14:55that it's still the same message that we

14:57meant it to be. And I think that's the

14:59the piece that a lot of people have a

15:01hard time to deal with. From an

15:02engineering perspective, engineer, do

15:05the design, do what you need to do. I

15:07think this becomes a very big data

15:09problem, and I think it becomes one at

15:11which um you're going to start to see

15:13more and more um you know, there's a

15:16reason why the world's worrying about

15:18things like ISO 19650,

15:20why there's discussions about IFC, which

15:22is certainly a format. But I think it's

15:25more about the data architecture, the

15:27schemas within it, and the data

15:28dictionaries. Um, which are things that

15:32are probably more akin to computer

15:33science. And those in that industry, but

15:36engineers are now having to bridge, you

15:38know, two roles of understanding what

15:41they do every day and and this new side

15:43of of technology.

15:45>> What is hurting hurting the delivery

15:47more right now?

15:49>> I think

15:50you know, the one thing is you know, one

15:52thing that scares me is overconfidence.

15:55I think there's a lot of over you know,

15:56people you know, there's either

15:58individuals that are afraid of it or

16:01infinite individuals that are overly too

16:03confident without a lot of planning. Um,

16:07this is a data issue, it's a technology

16:09issue, and I think

16:11you know, when you look at systems and

16:13and concepts and ideas,

16:15you know, human beings tend to build

16:18these very

16:20uh, elaborate architectures.

16:23Um, divide and conquer is always like

16:25this hierarchical system that people

16:27fall to, but computer systems don't

16:29always necessarily enjoy that. They can

16:31do that themselves. Um, they usually

16:34tend to want to normalize things a

16:35little bit. I think overconfidence or

16:38fear

16:39tend to be two sides of this bell curve

16:41that I think are are probably could be

16:42improved. I think though that as a

16:45majority, you're going to have bleeding

16:46edge individuals and they're going to

16:47make uh, mistakes. And that's okay.

16:51That's how we, you know, let somebody

16:53else make the mistake and then you learn

16:55from it, right? Like

16:56>> Mhm.

16:56>> I'm sure you've seen people do something

16:58silly and you're like, I'm not going to

16:59do that. And uh, there you've just

17:02learned. So,

17:04I think as we go through this, there's

17:05going to be a lot of that. And I think

17:07what makes it really trying for us is

17:09our industry is extremely complex.

17:12And so, nobody has fully done it. There

17:15are some that are close. There's some

17:17that are quiet and really close.

17:20Um the you know, the ones you got to

17:21watch out for are the I call the

17:23tortoise.

17:24The tortoise, you know, wins the race,

17:26you'll hear me say.

17:27>> slow and steady.

17:28>> Yeah, slow and steady wins the race.

17:30There's a few out there. They know

17:31they're not talking about it.

17:33Um they're keeping it to themselves. I

17:35mean, they'll talk loosely, but they're

17:37not grandstanding and I think that's an

17:40impressive uh

17:43capability to have cuz it's an exciting

17:45time. So, most people naturally want to

17:47say, "Look what I'm doing." Um but uh

17:50what I've seen across the the industry

17:52as a whole um is that uh everybody's

17:55still trying to figure it out. Fun fact,

17:58uh if you go out to Australia or you go

18:01out to places like England

18:02>> Mhm.

18:03>> they're very far along on concepts that

18:06I think uh I consider us sometimes in

18:08the nation a bit of the wild west. I

18:10live in Texas, so it seems fitting.

18:12But uh I would tell you that uh it's all

18:15about structure.

18:17It's all about data. It's all about

18:20governance. And then the rest is going

18:22to fall into place.

18:25Okay.

18:27>> Okay, Don. Um

18:29we are at the end. Um But before we end,

18:32uh I would like to ask you,

18:34do you have anything you want to plug

18:36in? You want to tell people about you?

18:39Here's your chance.

18:41>> I would say look for me on LinkedIn.

18:44You can also find me in the Reddit

18:46channels uh for OpenRoads and Bentley

18:48Systems as well as MicroStation. The

18:51other thing I would say is look for me

18:52at a conference uh Bentley Illuminate

18:54and as well as some of the uh local user

18:57groups as well. I think uh if I'm not

18:59mistaken, I think I'm going to the flood

19:01this year. So, there you go.

19:03>> So, before we end, Don, I really

19:06wanted to thank you so much for doing

19:08this. Thank you for coming on my little

19:11crazy show. Be willing to laugh.

19:15Let me put you on the spot.

19:16And giggle with me and have a good time.

19:18I really appreciate that.

19:20And I also wanted to say something to

19:21Bentley.

19:23Obviously, I make fun of Bentley. Well,

19:27y'all give me the material.

19:29But, jokes aside, I roasted or I make

19:32slightly fun of it because I really love

19:35what I do. Bentley software has been a

19:37huge part of my career. I learned on

19:40these tools. I actually build my skills

19:42using them. I taught other people using

19:44them. They helped me discover something

19:46I'm I'm really happy that I found what I

19:49enjoy doing. It's not something that I

19:51even think it's work. And they changed

19:53my career.

19:57Okay. Oh, let me take a break.

20:01Um a lot of what people know about me

20:03today, it's probably because we didn't

20:06have existed is because of Bentley

20:08technology.

20:09So, when I make fun of a great interface

20:12or complain about something that hasn't

20:14changed forever, I promise you that come

20:16from a place that I

20:18of love and care.

20:19There are real people behind that

20:21technology. I believe that. People like

20:23Don. People who spent years teaching,

20:26helping, listening, building, and

20:28pushing this industry forward. So, Don,

20:32genuinely thank you. Thank you so much.

20:34Um and everyone at Bentley who who have

20:36built these tools and supported us and

20:39answered our silly questions,

20:41thank you.

20:43>> Thanks for having me.

20:45>> Okay.

20:46Thank you for being there, Don.

20:48Seriously, this was

20:50fun.

20:50>> this was a blast.

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