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0:00so we've discussed this Lester sphere

0:03and how it looked like all the stars

0:05were just rotating around us and we've

0:08also talked how it looked like the Sun

0:09was rotating around us and the moon we

0:12had this again very Earth centered idea

0:14earth was the center of universe great

0:17everything rotating around us and for

0:19the most part everything behaved in a

0:21very nice simple way it went through

0:24what we call pro-grade motion the idea

0:26of the normal eastward motion of objects

0:29across the sky

0:30most things did that and it was easy to

0:32describe and say hey things are orbiting

0:35around us in a circle but the problem

0:39was there was weird objects some

0:42wandering star as they called them and I

0:45mean we now know they're planets but

0:47these behave strangely every once in a

0:49while they'd have what is called

0:51retrograde motion they would go the

0:55opposite direction they'd all be going

0:57eastward but every once in a while that

0:59weird little dot would actually seem to

1:01go westward and then back eastward again

1:05kind of like this image right here show

1:06so normal motion pro-grade and then all

1:10of a sudden for a little bit it would go

1:11opposite retrograde motion and it was

1:15just weird I mean it's a hard thing to

1:18reconcile and understand because why was

1:22it all of a sudden shifting directions

1:23what would cause that how can we

1:25describe this if the earth is the center

1:27now it's worth mentioning what it

1:31actually is now we now know this is an

1:33actually retrograde motion this is an

1:35apparent retrograde motion what's

1:38happening is let's say we are looking at

1:40I don't know

1:42Mars Mars orbits further out than we do

1:46and since we are rotating around the Sun

1:48just like Mars what happens is that we

1:52can actually pass by it all right we're

1:55on the inner loop yeah we're on a closer

1:58loop to the Sun so we're actually

2:00traveling faster around the Sun than

2:02Mars or whatever our mysterious planet

2:05is in this case but whatever and from

2:07our perspective we look and see this

2:10other planet you can see at Point a it

2:12looks like it's over here at Point

2:14be it's moved here and it looks to be

2:16there but by point see we're starting to

2:19pass this planet and because we're

2:22passing it

2:23we actually would make it would look

2:25from our perspective like it's moving

2:28backwards it's not it's still going in

2:30the same direction but since it's going

2:31slower and we're passing it it looks

2:34like it's going backwards and I'm

2:37actually gonna bring in a quick

2:38simulation of this from NASA your book

2:42references this I think it's a helpful

2:44one if you're struggling at all to

2:46picture this so let's take a look

2:49this is gonna be Earth and Mars orbit

2:51and watch what happens

2:53this shows the actual well we would see

2:56in the night sky and this is what's

2:58actually happening so again you can see

3:01as we pass it it looks like in loops

3:03backward it's not it's still going the

3:05same direction but because we're looking

3:07at it relative to our own motion it

3:10seems to go backward and again this may

3:13be a hard idea to really understand but

3:15think about when you're on the road if

3:18you've been a passenger in a car at any

3:20point in your life this will hopefully

3:22be a more familiar idea than what you're

3:24you thinking like let's say you're on

3:26the expressway and you're driving along

3:28well when you're going by another car

3:31you're both going the same direction but

3:34as you pass that car from your

3:38perspective it actually looks like it's

3:40gonna start moving backwards so it's not

3:44we both know that it's because you are

3:47passing it and relative to that from

3:50your perspective it looks like it's

3:52moving backwards this same idea here

3:54it's not actually its own motion it's an

3:57apparent retrograde just like that car

4:00is apparently looking like it's moving

4:02backwards but it's not you're just

4:04passing it so we know the explanation as

4:07to what was going on these are planets

4:09and it not actually going through

4:11retrograde motion it just so happens

4:13because of us orbiting the Sun and them

4:15orbiting the Sun we can make this

4:17apparent retrograde motion but remember

4:20back early on they thought earth was the

4:23center so they had to somehow try and

4:26reconcile

4:27this knowledge or I mean ideally they

4:30would have taken this and from that

4:32started to draw new conclusions and new

4:34models but they were very set on this

4:37idea of an earth-centered model so

4:40people started working on trying to

4:41figure out ways to describe how this

4:43could happen how it could be that

4:46certain times some of these objects

4:48would seem to go backwards so what they

4:52ended up adding to the earth-centered

4:54model was the idea of an epi cycle and a

4:57deferent epi cycle and a defferent more

5:00circles however at this time circles

5:02were thought to be a perfect shape so

5:04everything was generally made as circles

5:08so what's going on to try and describe

5:11this motion what they started saying was

5:14that these objects these were objects

5:17are orbiting around Earth

5:18we're actually going on little mini epi

5:21cycles little circles epicycle circle

5:26little circle right here but the center

5:29of that circle was itself going around

5:32in a circle which we refer to as the

5:35different the deferent is this big

5:37circle the overall path around Earth

5:40supposedly and there's an epi cycle

5:44which is the object is going on a small

5:47circle which the center of that circle

5:50is going around on the defferent so

5:52adding quite a bit of complexity to the

5:54model in general in science we look for

5:56the simplest solutions but this was back

5:59before those times these this was very

6:02informed by look the earthís Center huh

6:04how are we gonna make this work how do

6:06we describe this data how are we gonna

6:09actually be able to make up a model that

6:10will show us the kind of movement we

6:14expect cuz remember star is going

6:16backwards well why would that happen

6:18because of this epi cycle in this outer

6:22part of the EPI cycle it's moving the

6:25same direction as the defferent and so

6:27the star would reason going in the

6:28normal pro-grade motion but within the

6:32inner part of the loop you can see it's

6:35actually going in the opposite direction

6:36as the different so at that point we

6:39could observe that retrograde

6:41motion this was their explanation

6:43circles on circles so I mean obviously a

6:48very complicated model in fact Ptolemy

6:50is the one who's credited with coming up

6:52the most robust the best one of these

6:56models and they have having 80 different

6:58circles on it circles within circles

7:01remember epicycles on deference a happy

7:04cycle where the center of that goes

7:06around on a different so it required 80

7:08circles on credibly complicated model

7:11but one that would stick around for a

7:13good almost 1500 years or so well to me

7:17one of the best parts about this is that

7:19again this was so we could have our

7:22earth-centered universe by having this

7:25complicated model it allowed us to still

7:27have that earth-centered bias the best

7:30part though is look this is the center

7:33it was an earth the center of our

7:36so-called best earth centered model

7:38wasn't earth it was off a little bit

7:40because if we had centered at an earth

7:42we couldn't make a complicated enough

7:44model to describe all the motion so even

7:46this model was still not quite centered

7:49at earth so I always kind of got a kick

7:51out of that it was a bias we had and one

7:55that we tried to make as complicated

7:58models as we could to stick with that

7:59model rather than thinking maybe there's

8:02a better explanation

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