he made $216,684.01 in 30 days with an ai avatar (yt automation) - interview w/ juvon gamory

0:00We was posting 80 videos a day. 10 to 15

0:03of them were getting a 100,000 views in

0:05the first 24 hours. I scaled to like

0:07425K

0:09in a 100 days. I'm working on a huge

0:12project that I definitely feel like is

0:13going to take over, you know, YouTube.

0:16>> I guess this is a premiere, right? Javan

0:18Gamy, not many people on Twitter know

0:21about you. I think it's because you

0:22don't even got like a public account,

0:24but you make over six figures a month

0:26with YouTube. And now we are here in an

0:28interview, bro. Right. So, introduce

0:30yourself to the public.

0:32>> Well, my name is Javon Gamry. Um, 22

0:36years old. I do Faces YouTube for a

0:38living. I've been doing it for over five

0:40years now.

0:42Most people know me, well, the little

0:44bit about people that do know me know me

0:46for building a faces YouTube channel

0:49from zero to $425,000

0:52in just a 100 days. But yeah, I've been

0:55doing this for so long. This is, you

0:57know, this is my life. And

1:00I played basketball growing up. Like my

1:02whole life I was a basketball player and

1:05YouTube. Like literally growing up, all

1:08I did was play basketball and make

1:10YouTube videos like, right? Like in

1:12elementary school, that's what I have

1:15forgot what the name of the um thing was

1:17on the PlayStation where you could make

1:19your own clip your own videos and upload

1:22it on YouTube. It was my people who

1:24played the game know what I'm talking

1:25about. It's called Share Factory, right?

1:28So, if you played the game back in the

1:30day, this was like when I was in

1:31elementary school. I started I uploaded

1:33my first vid YouTube video back then,

1:35right? Just like playing NBA 2K because

1:38I was a basketball um kid. So, like

1:41playing NBA 2K, uploading a video to

1:43Share Factory, like going to like top

1:47parks and like trying to drop people off

1:49and stuff like that. and then end up,

1:52you know, getting into like more

1:55personal like YouTube videos.

1:59Um,

2:00and then I was playing basketball my

2:03whole entire life though. So like I was

2:04like a highle basketball player at the

2:06same time. Like I had um like a couple

2:09division one offers and then

2:14what happened after that? Yeah. So

2:16really I got into YouTube full-time then

2:19really like around my senior year of

2:21high school. So like when I was like 17

2:24turning 18 is like when I just really

2:26like went a thousand% all in with

2:29YouTube and just really tried to figure

2:31it out and you know stuff like that. And

2:38and and also I was supposed to go to

2:40division one for college basketball and

2:43I got in a car accident. Then I had to

2:47then I had to go I had to like sit out a

2:49year. I had to get I had surgery on both

2:52of my hips. So I got two scars on both

2:54of my hips from a car accident when I

2:57was supposed to go play division one

2:58basketball. So and then I um I did play

3:01college basketball

3:03um for two years

3:06and then the second year it just kind of

3:09like just didn't really go as planned.

3:10But like when I did that public

3:12challenge, I was actually a full-time

3:14basketball player. Like I was going I

3:17was 6 a.m. workouts,

3:20um

3:226 a.m. workouts, practice, um well 6

3:25a.m. workouts, then class, then practice

3:27right after, then study hall, then late

3:31night gym. Like I used to be so tired

3:33like every single day from practice. And

3:35like that's how I was able to even build

3:37that channel. The only way I could do it

3:40was with like not spending any time like

3:43right fully delegating it to where I

3:44don't have to do a single thing because

3:46bro college sports is no joke any

3:49athlete they'll tell you you know so but

3:51my whole life I was pretty much

3:52basketball and YouTube like a kid it was

3:55kind of really in my in my DNA and

3:59I've been basically doing YouTube for

4:02real for real like on a faceless level

4:04YouTube automation like since my senior

4:06year of high school and Ever since then,

4:09I've been doing it like full-time and

4:13I guess they say crushing it ever since.

4:15You know, making hundreds of thousands

4:16of dollars every single month just off

4:19of AdSense alone.

4:20>> Okay. So, you're 22 years old and last

4:23year you launched an AI avatar Faceless

4:25channel

4:26>> and within 30 days of launching, how

4:28much money did you make?

4:30>> I think we made $16,000

4:33with in the first days. Do you want to

4:35pull up that channel because this sounds

4:38like almost unbelievable, right? 30 days

4:40after launching.

4:41>> Yeah.

4:41>> This was actually the first ever AI

4:44avatar channel on YouTube, right? Like

4:46if you go on YouTube, you cannot find an

4:48AR avatar channel that started before

4:51this one. Yeah. Here we go.

4:53>> I can see your screen well now.

4:55>> Can you see? Yeah.

4:56>> Yeah.

4:57>> So, yeah. So if you go to revenue, you

5:00know, so I started this on a monetized

5:03channel already, but

5:05we wasn't really it it was like a dead

5:08channel basically. It was like a dead

5:10monetized channel and I l just started

5:11posting on it. And like I said, right,

5:15we was I literally started this channel

5:17just as like a public challenge, right?

5:20like documenting my results every day

5:22from like so if you go to my Instagram

5:24you can see on day one you can see this

5:27day two you can see this like every

5:29single day you can see the results so it

5:31started off literally just a challenge

5:33of building a channel from zero to

5:35$10,000 in

5:38one month 31 days and I already knew I

5:40was going to achieve that like I told

5:42one of my friends I was like if this if

5:44this like project I'm about to do does

5:47not hit $10,000 in 30 I'll quit YouTube

5:51type of thing. And then we end up

5:52hitting 100K in the first 30 days. So

5:55you can see here first October.

6:00>> But next month how much you did?

6:03>> So first 30 days you did 100 grand and

6:05then the next 30 days after the next

6:07like the second month of the channel

6:09running, how much money did you do?

6:12>> Did

6:14216,000.

6:18So, and then we had a $13,000 day off of

6:21ads since um November 15th, you know,

6:25kind of flunual. And it averaged about

6:27like

6:28maybe like 7K or something like that

6:32for this month.

6:33>> That's crazy. Yeah.

6:34>> And then you can see like the videos

6:36published,

6:36>> right?

6:38>> Like any ebooks and stuff like you

6:40didn't sell

6:42from AdSense over 200 grand.

6:44>> Yeah. This was solely from AdSense. No

6:47ebook, nothing. Like I was I actually

6:50made a mistake on this channel. I did

6:52the wrong backend because

6:54the way I did it, so I did it as a cash

6:57grab just to try to make a lot of money

6:59fast, but I tried to build a long-term

7:04backend,

7:05right? So I did it kind of backwards,

7:08but moving moving forward now, I know

7:11what type of back I know to how to use

7:14the back. So, I was going to build a

7:16newsletter,

7:18but I know what I need to do to build

7:20the newsletter now, you know? So, I'm

7:21going to do something like this again.

7:24I'mma do something like this again while

7:26building a newsletter because the

7:28long-term potential and longevity, it's

7:30like it's way higher than like any

7:33product could be, you know?

7:36>> Yeah. And I just see you hover over the

7:38with like the income and then it showed

7:40you 75 videos posted in one day.

7:44>> Yeah. So on this we're posting I think

7:47it was posted it said 75 on this day but

7:49I think we're averaging about 78 videos

7:52a day right and like I said before every

7:55single video came off of title and

7:57thumbnail outlier research right nothing

8:00was from Google trends nothing was from

8:03what we think is trending in the news

8:06like it's strictly from title and

8:07thumbnail with outlier research right

8:10YouTube research only not what we think

8:13will go viral right? Let's let's just

8:15grab what's proven in the market to go

8:17viral and expand off of that. So, we was

8:20coming up with 75 to 80 different titles

8:24a day strictly from that type of

8:26research, you know.

8:28>> Yeah. And for this amount of videos,

8:31like 75 videos a day. Some people they

8:33say you should maximum post like three

8:36videos a day or you will get to go spam.

8:38Did you have any issues with that?

8:40>> Yeah. No. No. No. We had no issues,

8:45right? No, no, I don't want to even say

8:48that word because I don't want to jinx

8:49nothing on me, but we didn't we didn't

8:51deal with any issues like, right? We

8:53didn't get taken down. No, no

8:56inauthentic content, no strikes, nothing

8:58like, you know, we just collected our

9:02checks from YouTube.

9:05>> Okay. And how are the videos looking? Is

9:07it like really um crazy editing or what

9:10exactly?

9:12>> Actually,

9:13it's not. It's the easiest videos to put

9:17together in the world. So,

9:18>> oh yeah, now on the right you see you

9:20>> came out. It's pretty dramatic. It says

9:22Congress delivers final.

9:24>> Yes, I can see

9:25>> as Trump's cabinet in ruins.

9:26>> What a video.

9:27>> All caps final blow cabinet in ruins.

9:30The

9:30>> see my team is it's actually supposed to

9:33be a news clip at the beginning but they

9:35got lazy and stopped putting it because

9:36like I said I don't even pay attention

9:37to this channel anymore. I just you know

9:40we're just still uploading

9:42we're still uploading like 40 videos a

9:44day right now. The

9:44>> whole thing is designed to make

9:47absolutely massive just happened.

9:48Something catastrophic. Something where

9:50Congress has just dealt Trump's

9:52administration a devastating defeat.

9:54Something where the cabinet is falling

9:55apart.

9:56>> Yeah. Nothing nothing crazy. Literally

9:58just Hey, Jen. Man, the expenses wasn't

10:00even crazy on this. Like that month we

10:03hit 200K. I only spent like

10:07seven I think I spent like Yeah, I think

10:10I spent like 7,000 that month on running

10:14running the channel for that month. So,

10:16we made

10:20we made 216K. Yeah. And I spent like 7K

10:23or Yeah. 7K on expenses.

10:27And it was really the really it really

10:29the expenses really wasn't even 7K. It

10:31was just because I um gave a lot of my

10:34team members raises, right? Like we was

10:36making so much money. I was just like

10:38I'mma give everybody more money. So like

10:40but if I never gave raises, it probably

10:42would have been like 3,000 because Hey

10:44Jen Unlimited was like

10:48Hen Unlimited was like I know I think it

10:51was like 800.

10:53agent limit was like 800 a month and

10:55then we had

10:58what else we had claw we had the max

11:00claw plan it was like 200 a month even

11:02claw changed their plans now so max claw

11:05plans that's like a thousand and then

11:06the rest were just team different team

11:08members so it was at we maxed out at

11:12like 3 to 4k a month

11:14>> on expenses but I gave everybody raises

11:16so we end up spend like 7k

11:18>> you know what I'm just wondering is at

11:2075 videos a day how are you managing

11:23that like with all the team members that

11:25the videos are getting published, all

11:27are good and also coming up with 80

11:30viral videos a day, right? Because there

11:31is like people that struggle to come up

11:33with just one video idea per day and you

11:35are just posting just on this of your

11:37channels, right? You also ran other ones

11:39at the same time, but so all the video

11:41ideas, how do you exactly manage that?

11:44Are you doing it alone or do you have a

11:46huge team for that?

11:47Um, actually we have a I have a team but

11:50like the team isn't as big as you would

11:52think, right? Like it's a So we manage

11:55everything like literally just simply on

11:58Trello, right? So this is what our

12:01Trello board looks like, right? I got

12:04everything labeled. This is how we and

12:06we had to clear this Trello board

12:08multiple times because you see this says

12:11200 3,000 videos. And then like my team

12:14member just asked me yesterday like can

12:16we clear some videos like the Trello

12:17board is glitching like it's not working

12:19right. So like we had to clear this a

12:21good amount of times because if you see

12:23on the channel it's like over 10k videos

12:25posted. So and but this is just like I

12:28could scroll down all day. It's even

12:30laggy right now. But

12:33this is just one Trello board, right? So

12:35we run this this channel on three

12:38different Trello boards. when we're

12:40posting 80 videos a day. It was three

12:42different Trello boards. Um,

12:45let me show here's another one.

12:50So, yeah. And it was literally just a

12:52system. It was hands off. So, like once

12:54I built the entire team out, I literally

12:58So, like I think after day 11, I hit 10K

13:02or I made like 11,000 after day 11. Once

13:05day 11 ended and like I reached the goal

13:09of 10k a month, like I scaled it

13:13completely hands off like right at that

13:15point like so for the first 10 days or

13:18whatever I was I was still training

13:21um different team members how to come up

13:23with ideas um making sure the ideas are

13:26good making sure the system is just

13:28running completely smooth you know. So

13:31after day 11,

13:34I literally did not like do anything but

13:37just tech revenue like you know like so

13:41yeah it was I literally spent zero

13:43minutes after day 11 after we hit 10K I

13:45spent zero minutes. So that 90k for that

13:48first month, that rest of that 90k, I

13:50didn't spend a single minute like

13:52working on it or like even managing a

13:55channel like even managing their video

13:59ideas or anything. Right? So and then

14:02after that like once I got completely

14:04off, I hired a channel manager to manage

14:07the to make sure everything is running

14:10smooth. So basically a person I would

14:12normally be the person that makes sure

14:13every running everything running smooth

14:15but like I wanted to be so hands off

14:17that I hired somebody else just to make

14:19sure everything is running smooth. Like

14:21just to make sure each person is

14:23submitting this on time, submitting

14:25their video ideas on time and I train

14:28him how to make sure the video ideas are

14:30good, everything like that. And like the

14:33only time

14:36I will have to get involved if like we

14:38need to upgrade a plan or something and

14:41it's my card on file. So like that was

14:43the only time I'll ever be involved.

14:45Like I literally damn I literally

14:48basically I scaled from

14:510 to 400 and because I didn't even show

14:54you the hundred like the 100 day mark.

14:57Um

14:59but basically let me share this tab

15:02but let me go to the dates

15:06so I know

15:08October 1st to I think go to January

15:118th. Yeah. So basically I scaled to like

15:14425K

15:16in 100 days like with when they say

15:20doing no work literally not doing a

15:21single thing you know it's not even a

15:24crazy system you know it's it's

15:25literally that's like it's kind of like

15:27remember how we talking about like just

15:28starting like it's literally I didn't

15:31start the channel with the Trello board

15:33built out like that like right it wasn't

15:36completely built out with all those

15:38different tabs for different team

15:39members. It started off literally as

15:44a video editor,

15:46a script writer, thumbnail designer,

15:49just like the typical. And then as I've

15:52seen like the demand and like we started

15:55pulling a lot of views and I can tell

15:58that it was more and more outliers that

15:59we're finding and we coming up with more

16:01ideas. That's when we started bringing

16:04on more team members. So like that makes

16:07it the system is just a regular

16:10like the regular system that you know

16:12most people know in phase is how to put

16:13together a single video. That's the

16:15system. I just multiply the team on

16:19>> I just multiply the team to output

16:22>> more videos at whatever rate I wanted

16:24to. I mean if we even talking about um

16:27ideas like right when I come up with the

16:29idea for a single face YouTube video I

16:33don't do I don't come up with any random

16:36ideas like no ideas are there are

16:39methods to have like AI generated ideas

16:42but I don't use any regular like I don't

16:46use any chat GBT claw like for any ideas

16:51right I could let it help me find topics

16:53but not a single idea Every single idea

16:56that I put into production is literally

16:58off of outlier research from what is

17:01already on YouTube and doing good. I

17:03don't I do not come up with anything

17:06myself. All right? I don't do Google

17:07Trends like cuz just because something

17:11is doing well on Google Trends, that

17:13doesn't mean it's going to do well on

17:16YouTube as a YouTube video, right? So, I

17:19strictly do all videos

17:22um title and thumbnail off of outlier

17:24research. Like right when we were, like

17:26I said, we were posting 80 videos a day.

17:2980 single videos was all off of title

17:32and thumbnail outlier research from

17:34other channels in the niche. Like, we

17:37didn't we didn't use chat GBT to help us

17:39come up with 40 of them or 20 or, you

17:44know, 60 whatever. No, no, no, no, no.

17:46Literally outline research. That's all

17:48you need. All you need is to be

17:50subscribed to your competitors for good

17:53title and thumbnail topics, right? Like

17:55there's different methods you can do,

17:57right? We know just simple angles,

18:00right? Um somebody watching this if you

18:03don't know what the angle is, right? You

18:05have an outlier. Let's say

18:08the video title is how people live in

18:10Bermuda. The angle would now become how

18:13people live in blank. And that's an

18:16angle. So come up find as many outliers

18:19we can in the niche come up with as many

18:21angles and we post videos according to

18:24the demand in the YouTube market not the

18:28online social media market that's

18:30different the demand in the YouTube

18:32market from other competitors like what

18:35names and ideas are doing well at the

18:38time. So yeah that's really how we come

18:41up ideas. We was coming up with 80

18:42videos, 80 video ideas a day, posting

18:46videos strictly from that. Right? So,

18:49like I said, you know, you got the

18:50parasite method, you got angle um

18:53regular angles, you got niche bending,

18:55right? Niche bending is taking angles

18:58from

19:00taking angles from another niche, right?

19:02So, you see an angle that can apply in

19:04your niche that's an outlier from a

19:06different niche and bring it to your

19:08niche. Then you have parasite, right?

19:11you're just making the same exact video

19:13as uh

19:16pretty much a old video that's extremely

19:18viral basically. So yeah, when it comes

19:21to title ideas and stuff like packaging

19:25titles and thumbnails, do not be

19:27creative. Like literally strictly

19:29YouTube research. That's what works for

19:31me at least, right? Like I was able to

19:33make how much I made in that time frame

19:35from strictly that with 80 videos a day.

19:38So, anybody who's posting way less, you

19:42can't tell me or convince me that you

19:43can't come up with I like you need to

19:46get better.

19:48>> You can't come up with ideas.

19:50>> It takes time, right? It takes time and

19:52rep repetition like, right? You just

19:54don't get this good overnight. Like, it

19:56takes, you know, time developing your

19:58skills, just seeing what works,

20:00understanding the demand for YouTube,

20:02you know, a little bit of everything,

20:04you know. So,

20:05>> yeah. I was going to ask about the

20:06channel manager. How do you just find a

20:09person that is first of smart enough to

20:11manage all of those people under them,

20:13right? And then also that they don't

20:14betray you or try to pocket some money

20:17or just get lazy, you know, like where

20:20do you exactly find those people?

20:23>> Okay, so

20:25really you can anybody.

20:28So I hire my channel managers based off

20:31of the subjects, right? So, whatever

20:35topic I'm making a video on, the videos

20:39are about. Like, that's what I hired the

20:41the channel manager for. Like, so a

20:44channel manager for me doesn't have to

20:46know anything about YouTube.

20:48They just have to know the subject

20:51because I know everything about YouTube

20:53and I can teach you what does well on

20:54YouTube. I can teach you everything

20:56about YouTube. And when it comes to

20:58betraying me, how they won't betray me.

21:00It's like I pay pretty good. So, right,

21:03like they have incentives to not betray

21:06me, you know? It's like, yeah, you may

21:09have that worry, stuff like that, but

21:11it's like at the end of the day, they're

21:14not me, right? Like, they don't have

21:18five years of like every single day

21:20experience under their belt to where

21:22they could just take everything and just

21:25go like, right. And you got to have the

21:27budget for it, too, you know? Like, so

21:30even though this didn't really cost a

21:32lot because I started off this I started

21:34this channel like the day one

21:37like I wasn't spending any money. Like

21:39it was free. Like I said like I when I

21:41got to day when I got to 200k in the

21:44second month that we were spending 7K

21:46but like here we were spending like less

21:49than $100 a month at this point. You

21:51know it started off I up I upped the

21:54demand. I upped the um amount of money

21:56spent once I seen the demand that that

21:58was that was needed but just when it

22:01comes to you know of course contracts

22:04put contracts in place you know stuff

22:06like that so

22:08>> you know I was actually wondering where

22:10to find those people like do you go on

22:12Twitter Discord or online jobs.ph PH

22:15like where do you find those kind of

22:17people? for me is anybody like it could

22:19be online jobs, right? Upwork

22:22um anywhere online jobs, Upwork or me, I

22:26get personal friends of mine too, like

22:29personal friends of mine that like cuz

22:32my friends they know I do YouTube and

22:34stuff like that and like if I know that

22:36they know if I feel like they fit the

22:38criteria, I just ask them they want to

22:40do it and they know I make a lot of

22:41money off of it. out there, they're not

22:44really going to pass up on the

22:45opportunity, you know, like so

22:48>> I even get personal friends of mine

22:50>> that don't

22:53>> Yeah. Yeah, that's that makes sense as

22:54well. But like um if somebody now wants

22:57to start such a big YouTube channel,

22:59right, and post so many videos, what

23:01would they need to know before they hire

23:03anything? Like what's just roughly the

23:05process, you know, where would they

23:07start basically?

23:09Okay,

23:11the first well what you need to know

23:13first, right?

23:14>> Like say they have this channel just

23:16like your players unlimited one and then

23:18they do the videos all themselves. They

23:20start posting five a day and the channel

23:22blows up. Suddenly it makes $500 a day

23:25then $1,000 but they are working 18

23:28hours a day, right? And then they just

23:29say, "Okay, I just need to somehow um

23:32get some time off. I need to delegate it

23:34to other people." What would they do

23:36from there, you know? Okay. So the first

23:38thing you would do is you need to

23:42delegate the least important task first,

23:47right? So simple things as uploading a

23:49video. If you're doing that yourself,

23:51that's something you should delegate

23:53first. The simple task that don't really

23:56control the money, right? So the tasks

24:00that control the money, you delegate

24:01those last because you want to have

24:03better skilled people in those

24:05positions. So,

24:08a task like uploading, you go ahead and

24:11hire somebody,

24:13right? Um tasks like

24:17titles and thumbnails, that's the way

24:19the most heftiest task because that is

24:22the number one task that controls the

24:24money, right? regardless of what like

24:28the best people on YouTube are the

24:30people who come up with the who can come

24:32up not even necessarily the people come

24:33up with the best ideas it's the people

24:36who can come up with the best ideas the

24:39most or who can come up with the best

24:40ideas the most consistent you know so

24:46that is the first thing right so

24:48delegate all the tasks that don't

24:50require any time that don't require much

24:54skill right then the or skilled task.

24:57That's when you just got to, right? If

24:58you have something working, right? If

25:00you're making money, obviously you're

25:02doing something that's working, right?

25:03If you're if you don't know what's

25:05working,

25:07that's an issue because now you can't

25:10teach somebody else to do what's already

25:11what's what you what's working. And if

25:14it and if you also if you don't know

25:16what's working, that means what you're

25:17doing is luck. If you don't know what's

25:19working, you know. So, if you know

25:21what's working and you know exactly how

25:24to do it, just teach somebody else how

25:26to do the exact same thing. Right? They

25:28don't have to be as good as you, but if

25:30they're 80% to 90% as good as you,

25:33that's good enough because

25:38the reason why like this was a success

25:40the way it was without me doing anything

25:43at all is because I just got to people.

25:45I got I didn't make sure like I wasn't

25:47so hectic on people where it's like yo

25:49you need to be exactly like how I would

25:51be. I'm my own person. Everybody's

25:53different like right we all have

25:54different skills and things like that.

25:56But if you become 80% as good as what I

26:00am

26:02then you would be able, you know, the

26:04channel can still run and succeed. And

26:07now I can focus on something else while

26:09this is running on autopilot, right? And

26:12like I have my channel managers,

26:15most of my channel managers like I let

26:17them make mistakes. I like I let them

26:19make mistakes because that's the only

26:21way, right? You've got to let them make

26:22mistakes. You got to burn some money

26:24sometimes, you know? And but that's why

26:26you have your video cost as low as

26:28possible because if your video cost as

26:30low as possible, when they make those

26:31mistakes, it's not burning your pocket.

26:33It's not really hurting you, you know?

26:35So

26:36>> yeah,

26:37>> that kind of highle stuff, right? But

26:40say somebody right now they don't have

26:43any monetized channel yet or they are

26:45just starting making 500 bucks a month

26:47with YouTube and they want to get to

26:48your level where they are making over

26:50100 grand a month.

26:51>> What would you tell them? Like what is

26:52kind of the road map to get there?

26:55>> Okay. So a person just started and

26:58they're making Okay. Honestly, if a

27:01person is making $500

27:04a day and they just started,

27:06>> you know, I made in a month, bro. 500.

27:09>> Oh, 500 a month. 500 a month. Okay, my

27:11bad. My bad.

27:12>> Oh, they're making 500 a month. Um, bro,

27:15you you really need you just need to

27:17keep doing what you're doing, honestly.

27:18Like, you need more reps, right? Because

27:22you can't teach like like I said, like

27:24you can't teach somebody else something

27:26when you're not good enough yourself,

27:28right? Like, or you don't know you don't

27:32know enough yourself, right? because it

27:34takes time to understand like

27:38all the ways that videos actually go

27:40viral and different stuff like that. So

27:42literally I would just keep doing it

27:44myself until I can print money myself.

27:47Then once I print money myself because

27:50you got to think right if you're it's

27:53kind of like putting money into a oil

27:55machine like a machine that's not like

27:58working right. So, like if if I'm only

28:01making $500 a month and then I'm and I'm

28:05more of a beginner and I'm training

28:07somebody

28:09to make 10K a month,

28:12it doesn't really make sense, you know?

28:15So, you you need to

28:17>> get more reps yourself. Literally,

28:19that's it. Just get more reps yourself.

28:20Post more videos. And on the on your

28:23flops, on your videos that don't work,

28:25you're going to learn more than your

28:27videos that do good.

28:29Because if you learn every single thing

28:31that doesn't work, you're eventually

28:33only going to know what does work.

28:37So literally just keep posting and

28:39learning. Learn from your mistakes. Like

28:41don't post and don't pay attention to

28:42the data. Like literally study the data

28:45like your CTR, your AVD.

28:48Like study those two metrics the most

28:51and literally try to improve those every

28:53single video. So the more the longer you

28:55do that with like the right strategies

28:57of just outlier research,

28:59>> bro, you eventually get you'll

29:01eventually get good enough to where you

29:04can make more money and then start

29:06teaching others to do it under you

29:09>> and where you go ahead. Go ahead.

29:11>> Yeah. Let's say right now though

29:14somebody just wants to start, but would

29:16you recommend him because like there's

29:17this huge hype on AI avatars, right? And

29:20I mean even your channel made the money

29:22with help of AI avatars, with help of

29:25Hey Jen,

29:26>> would you recommend that's like the way

29:27to go forward especially for Q4 where

29:30the RPMs are higher and where you really

29:32got to lock in, right? Because I think a

29:34lot of people are going to make six

29:35figures in a month with AI avatars. And

29:38personally, yeah, I think it's like one

29:40of the biggest things to do right now.

29:42It's kind of a big trend, right? And

29:44some other people I talk with, [snorts]

29:46>> they said to me that like now you can't

29:49launch a channel without AI avatar

29:50because these elderly people AI avatars

29:53it's like almost in any niche and if you

29:55don't have that people they would just

29:57watch a content with avatar because it's

29:59more engaging and we on like a human

30:01level or like a primitive level we are

30:04maybe more bound to seeing other humans

30:06doing stuff and these AI avatars for a

30:0968year-old grandma watching this content

30:12it looks like a real person, right? So,

30:14you will have just um more higher watch

30:16rate on the video and can also sell

30:18stuff in the back end.

30:20>> Yeah. But what's your opinion on that?

30:23>> Um I definitely think AR avatars are

30:25going to they're dominating right now

30:29and I definitely think they're still

30:30going to dominate dominate all through

30:33all through Q4.

30:35But the thing is like when people say

30:38there's not an there's plenty of niches

30:41that you can't even do AI avatars with,

30:44you know, that's just all people see on

30:47like social media. So like it makes you

30:49only think and kind of closes your mind

30:51to that. There's plenty of niches where

30:53AI avatars really aren't as successful,

30:58you know, but that's all we all we see

31:00is like, you know, me making 400K in 100

31:04days, this person making 100K in a

31:08month, 200K in a month here, all AI

31:10avatars, right? So that's all people get

31:12programmed to see and think. But there's

31:14plenty of like other niches where

31:16there's no AI avatars and AI avatars

31:19won't even enter because AI avatars is

31:22successful

31:24on more

31:26it's certain audiences right like

31:28because you know the demographics on

31:31your channel once you um see your

31:33analytics. So it AI avatars is very

31:36successful especially with the older

31:38demographic right because they aren't as

31:41up to speed on the things on the

31:43internet right so they so yes you're

31:47right as an aspect of people do resonate

31:49with people more right they rather watch

31:51a human or if an AI avatar looks real

31:54enough they rather watch that but that's

31:56not every audience that's audiences

31:59more for like elderly and things like

32:01that right not every um AI avatar niche

32:05is elderly, but it's

32:08certain like I can show you like couple

32:10niches where like there's no AI avatars,

32:13right? And AI avatars won't enter just

32:14because that's not the demand for it.

32:16But that's just all we see on social

32:18media, but AI avatars are definitely

32:20going to take over and keep taking over

32:22Q4. But that's not the only thing you

32:24can dive into, right? Like you don't

32:26have to What did I just show you? I

32:28showed you a channel the other day. um

32:32>> the basketball one or

32:34>> uh no not the basketball one, the other

32:36one.

32:37>> But it was only one AI avatar channel in

32:39the niche. All the other channels and it

32:41was making like 26K a month. You

32:43probably

32:43>> Oh yeah, I remember. I remember

32:44>> it was only one AI avatar channel in

32:47that niche. All the other channels were

32:49not a no other channel was AI avatar.

32:52>> So

32:52>> yeah. Yeah. I guess it's just more about

32:55um that you make content for elderly

32:58people. That's like the way to go

33:00forward because of the ebook stuff. It

33:02gets really popular right now to sell

33:04ebooks in the back end. But you're

33:06basically doubling your AdSense income,

33:08right? And then it's just like you would

33:10ask yourself, why should I run a channel

33:13for 25 year old people that will have

33:15lower RPM that won't watch the 40inut

33:18video that won't write the comment won't

33:20buy my ebook? Why shouldn't I just focus

33:22on the AI avatar video I can produce for

33:24like a few dollars and then can just

33:27pump it out, sell the ebooks, you know?

33:29>> Yeah. Yeah. But like there's plenty of

33:32niches out there where people are

33:34printing money like without AI avatars.

33:37But you're right though, like right,

33:38like that's a great question. Why would

33:40I do this niche where I spend this much

33:43or I could just pump out AI avatar

33:45videos for this much and make however,

33:49you know? It's just it's just all

33:51preference and skill levels. Like that's

33:53that's really it.

33:54>> Yeah. That's what's uh I thought it was

33:56really interesting talking to you about

33:59your channels because you are taking a

34:00bit different approach even though like

34:02the channel you showed now it's AI

34:03avatar but even then it's like not this

34:06kind of AI avatar that's currently being

34:08ran a lot right which is like focused on

34:10these elderly people and these real

34:12looking stories and images. But still, I

34:15have to say there is definitely some

34:17people at least like in my group with

34:18the avatar forge tool that didn't have

34:21much YouTube experience before and they

34:24also blew up some channels. I'm not sure

34:26if it could be luck or really just the

34:28AI avatar thing being still unsaturated,

34:31which that's what I kind of think it is

34:33right now.

34:33>> That that is another thing. It is kind

34:35of unsaturated right now because of like

34:38things like that, right? A lot of people

34:41don't really know how to put the videos

34:43together and just, you know, start

34:46channels like that. So, I mean, if

34:47you're looking at it at that aspect,

34:49then yeah, but in late quarter 4, it's

34:54going to be a lot more, it's gonna be,

34:55it's already popular, but it's gonna be

34:56a lot more popular than it is now. And

34:58like, you'll start to see the people who

35:00actually stands out, you know? it won't

35:03be just

35:05it won't be as as how it is now because

35:08like even with my channel, right? Like

35:11this was the first AI avatar channel on

35:13YouTube in general, right? And it's

35:15already so much more populated since

35:18then. So, I could just imagine what it's

35:21going to be like in quarter 4 and then

35:22even next year it's going to be

35:26everybody's going to be, you know,

35:28literally everybody's going to be doing

35:29it. So, it's not going to be the demand

35:32is still going to be there, but you'll

35:34see the people that rise to the top are

35:36going to be more I feel like me

35:38personally, the more experienced people

35:40or with, you know, kind of

35:44bigger budgets.

35:46>> Yeah, it will be interesting to see what

35:49happens there with the AI avatar stuff,

35:51but honestly, I think it will go on for

35:53longer. But I mean, that's just

35:56something that you

35:56>> No, no, it's not, right?

35:58>> Yeah. Facts. No, it's defin I feel like

35:59it's going to go on for

36:03it's going to go on for a while and it's

36:04never I don't feel like it's going to

36:06stop only because of the money you can

36:09make with the backend products, right?

36:11Like so if you can make money off

36:14because it doesn't matter even if they

36:15stop letting you make money off AdSense,

36:18you can still make money off backend

36:19products which is still a lot of money.

36:22So it's not going to stop but it's gonna

36:26be a new trend. Like it's always like I

36:28definitely feel like a new trend is on

36:30the way and it's coming and but it's

36:32always like that, right? It's always the

36:34next thing that everybody just jumps on

36:38and starts doing and next thing next

36:41thing it's is everything on social

36:43media.

36:44You know, I was actually now that you

36:46mentioned it, um was also thinking like

36:48with the ebooks, not just that if your

36:50channel is demonetized, you can already

36:52make money with them, but also before

36:54it's even monetized in the first place,

36:56which with avatar channels, I just

36:58realized that the ratio of people

37:01subscribing is probably 10x.

37:03>> Oh, yeah. No, it definitely is.

37:06>> Right.

37:06>> And that goes back to saying what you

37:07were saying about um people relating to

37:10people, right? because the audience

37:12that's watching generally thinks it's a

37:15person. So, they resonate with that way

37:18more than just background audio, you

37:20know. So, no, definitely you're

37:22definitely going to have a much higher

37:23view to u I mean subscribe to view ratio

37:27or view to subscriber, whatever the

37:28ratio is. I don't know.

37:29>> Yeah, whatever the ratio is.

37:31But like that's the thing I' I've seen

37:33with these channels where the watch

37:35hours normally you hit the 4K watch

37:37hours first at least for me and then the

37:39subscribers you only have like 200

37:41subscribers on these regular Facebook

37:43channels. But with Avatar it's the first

37:45time where I'm seeing you hit thousand

37:47subscribers before the watch hours even

37:49if it's like a really personal niche or

37:51really niched down then these people

37:54they will you have like such a high

37:56subscriber ratio that this can happen.

37:58And this is probably also just like it

38:01explains why so many ebooks are getting

38:03sold in the back end or it's not just

38:04ebooks. I also saw people now selling

38:07physical books in the back and then

38:10>> it will continue on, right? And then you

38:12have like affiliate deals with something

38:14your own products maybe.

38:16>> Thanks.

38:17>> And I guess regarding teams, you're just

38:19one of the best persons to shoot. I

38:21mean, with the 80 videos a day and while

38:24doing none of the work, it really just

38:26amazed me hearing about this. Even

38:28though just seeing like basically most

38:31of the people that I talk with that are

38:33doing six figs and plus a month, they

38:36all have these systems in place that

38:38where like they have people doing some

38:40sort of the process, right? Like one guy

38:43will be for the uploading and then there

38:45is another one coming up with the ideas.

38:48And this is just really like it's

38:50basically you all have your own kind of

38:51methods, but I'm just realizing if you

38:53wanted to get to the six figures plus

38:55and do that consistently,

38:56>> you can't be like a oneperson team,

38:59right? Or do you think it's somehow

39:00possible or

39:02>> I mean at least you would be overworking

39:03yourself to the max and then you do like

39:05six figures one month but then like

39:07>> yeah I definitely think with like all

39:09the AI tools it's possible now like to

39:12be a one person team and do it like with

39:14all the tools because yeah it no it's

39:17definitely possible don't get me wrong

39:18it's definitely possible

39:21but it's like it how far do you really

39:24want to scale right like

39:27because like for me personally like I

39:28don't run any channels myself, right?

39:31And like before the channels even start

39:34posting its first video, the team is

39:36already fully automated before like that

39:39that channel that um the challenge

39:42channel 400k in 100 days or whatever.

39:44Like that was like that's one of my only

39:47channels where I was actually hands-on

39:49inside working because I was doing a

39:51challenge or project like just wanted to

39:52you know try to do something different

39:55for like the media to see. So, I had to

39:58make sure that it hit certain certain

40:00levels, but that was like one of the

40:02only projects where I was actually like

40:04inside working on the channel

40:08while the channel was running. Like,

40:10normally it's fully automated before we

40:12even launch because I already scoped out

40:14the entire project. I didn't scoped out

40:16the entire niche, seeing where the

40:17demand is, what see what I need to hire

40:20here, here, here, and like it's fully

40:22automated before we even start, you

40:24know? So, but it just depends on how far

40:26you want to scale. Like, you can

40:27definitely reach 100K a month with all

40:30the AI tools now, automations, you can

40:32for sure, but it why why if you're

40:37making that money, why be like that

40:39involved? Why not just, you know, not

40:43even pay a lot of money to get it off

40:45your hands completely and still make the

40:47same money? Just manage it, look over

40:49everything, and do the next thing,

40:52right? focus on the next thing and then

40:53just keep doing it. Keep repeating, keep

40:55repeating and have hands off of

40:57everything and just manage and just make

40:59sure everything is doing right like

41:01right when you can see views, you can

41:03see when views are dropping, revenue

41:04dropping, you know, when you need to go

41:06in and change things or have meetings,

41:09stuff like that. So, you know,

41:12>> yeah, I guess work smart, not hard. It's

41:15especially for you. I saw on your

41:16YouTube channel you were in Cancun,

41:19right? And

41:19>> yeah, I know. Was it a week or a day?

41:23I'm not sure.

41:23>> Uh, no. I was there for a couple days. I

41:25was in Cancun for a couple days.

41:26>> Yeah. And just having like the time to

41:28do this on a random day, you know, or

41:31like

41:31>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

41:32>> That's just you only get that with

41:34teams, I guess. Like I think this is

41:36also a mistake that a lot of people in

41:38business do where they are just thinking

41:40nobody can do it like me. At least that

41:42was like for me. I was always thinking

41:45>> well if I let them write the scripts

41:46then it won't turn out as good. So, let

41:49me just do it myself. But then I spend

41:50like 10 minutes there and then 10

41:52minutes on the thumbnail and suddenly

41:54I'm working 12 hours a day and

41:56>> you know like can't scale to further.

41:59>> Yeah. And if you want to build teams

42:00like that's the number one thing, right?

42:02It's two things that you got to really

42:05the biggest thing that you have to like

42:08gain to give others like is trust. Like,

42:14right, I know it's scary. Like, right,

42:15when you know you're going to make a

42:17video to the tea, if you do it

42:19completely 100% yourself,

42:22if you know it's going to be amazing

42:24that way.

42:27I know it's kind of scary to let

42:28somebody else come in a sing in any spot

42:31and because you don't want anything

42:33messed up, but when you're talking

42:36scaling, you have to trust because and

42:40you have to be okay with getting 80 to

42:4485 to 90% as good of what of of a job

42:48that you would do. Because if you always

42:50do it yourself, you're going to burn out

42:52and you're never going to be able to

42:55like reach that next level because you

42:58can't get there by nobody gets to the

43:01top by theirel like you know and that

43:03was part of the reason why I say like

43:06for me like it doesn't matter like you

43:08don't have to go in like AI avatars is

43:10like number one thing on YouTube right

43:11now but you don't have to go into that

43:13niche for me that's like I was kind of

43:16speaking for me because

43:18I build teams So, right. So, from the

43:21jump, it's fully automated for me

43:23anyway. So, it doesn't matter if I'm

43:24doing an AI avatar niche, a regular

43:26B-roll channel, animation, it doesn't

43:28matter because it's it's off my hands

43:31anyway. It's just the budget is slightly

43:33different, you know, but you you make

43:35different channels for different things,

43:37right? Certain channels last longer,

43:39certain channels

43:41bas Yeah. Last longer, have more

43:43longevity. Certain channels make much

43:45more money faster. certain, you know,

43:47you do everything for create different

43:49channels for different reasons. So

43:51that's why for me it doesn't matter the

43:53niche you go into. And that's why I feel

43:54like what I was saying about like the

43:57budget thing, right? Like the more

44:00budget because different niches like

44:02also tells you different things about

44:04learning how video ideiation works

44:07because the concept is the same for all

44:08of YouTube, but different niches have

44:10different things that work about them

44:12and different things that you can learn.

44:15and even niche bin angles into your

44:17other channels, right? Like so if you're

44:19only stuck on one thing because you're

44:22doing it all yourself, you're you're

44:23learning a lot less actually, you know,

44:26>> even if you're mastering what you're

44:28doing,

44:28>> you're just a bit constrained, right?

44:30Because you can't just see so much stuff

44:32at once. You're doing it. You're in the

44:35stuff, but you're not viewing over it,

44:37right? And then learning easy with it.

44:39>> All these things can be implemented in

44:40different things, right? And like

44:42different things work for different

44:43people, right? So yes, AI is taking

44:46over. Like AI has already taken over,

44:48but you know, certain people just like

44:51different things, right? So like certain

44:53people may rather communicate with

44:55humans than going in to fix a AI, you

44:58know? So if some people rather pay a

45:01little bit more to speak with a human to

45:04get them to fix something versus trying

45:06to go in and fix the AI and there's some

45:08people like I want every single like I

45:10want my profit margins as high as

45:12possible. I'm not I don't care about,

45:14you know, so there's different strokes

45:16for different folks, but

45:19you can make you can make hundreds of

45:21thousands of dollars with either way.

45:23You know, AI is only getting better. So,

45:25you definitely want to include AI as

45:28much as possible. For sure, thousand%.

45:31Like, right. Anything that you don't

45:32need humans for,

45:36don't use them. You know, that's my

45:38opinion. Especially as a beginner, you

45:41may not have the biggest budget to start

45:43and then paying a freelancer team $50 or

45:47$100 per video. Do that for 10 videos,

45:50you already are um $500, $2,000

45:54negative. And then if the channel

45:55doesn't blow up, now repeat that across

45:57five channels. But I guess it's also

45:59because beginners, they don't have the

46:01right systems again. I mean, you said to

46:03me one video on one of your regular type

46:06channels cost 15 bucks, right? on this

46:08channel. It was probably even cheaper. I

46:10guess like monthly pay to the freelance

46:13like at 80 videos a day.

46:15>> I guess you didn't pay 15 bucks a video,

46:17right?

46:18>> Yeah. No, I don't know. I don't know.

46:20Cuz it cuz

46:23our per video cost depends on how much

46:25money we make. So, if it's all off

46:27subscriptions and like set prices,

46:29monthly prices, the the set video price

46:33comes off of

46:36Wait, no, I'm tripping. Um, no, wait.

46:39So, we make 200K and we spend

46:44this much.

46:46Yeah. No, no, no. I had to times up by

46:48the videos. Yeah, I'm tripping. I

46:49forgot. Yeah. So, if it's 80 videos a

46:51day times 30, whatever that is. I'm not

46:54going to calculate that. Um,

46:59that then you divide it by

47:01the monthly expenses.

47:04Yeah. The last time I calculated, we was

47:06like at $2 a video.

47:09The last time I calculated, it was like,

47:11no, when we were doing 80 videos a day,

47:13I think it was like $220 something cent

47:15a video.

47:17And yeah, we were killing. But bro, till

47:19this day, I still have channels that

47:20cost like $40 a video, though.

47:23>> And they're still making profit.

47:25>> And they're still making profit. It's

47:26about the ideation you know because not

47:30every niche

47:33not every single niche allows you to

47:35have certain level of quality of videos

47:37you know some requires a little bit

47:39higher quality that AI isn't producing

47:42yet you know but once AI can produce it

47:45then we'll just switch over but until

47:47then you know gota pay you gota we got

47:50to pay but we're profiting so and I and

47:52like for me it doesn't really make a

47:53difference yes my profit margins are

47:56lower, but it really doesn't make too

47:58much of a difference because I'm not

48:01doing anything anyway. It's profit

48:02coming in. You know, if we're losing

48:04money, then I'll be like, uh, but I'll

48:08maybe shut the channel down or

48:09something, you know. But since we're

48:12making money and

48:15since we're making money and AI can't

48:17like really make the videos to certain

48:19high levels, then it's like, you know,

48:22I'm not going to shut it down just

48:23because AI can't do it yet. We just

48:25going to keep it going how it is pro

48:27it's profit I'm keeping it alive you

48:29know.

48:29>> All right. So last year we had like we

48:32were big on these sleep story videos and

48:34also revenge stories, right? And this

48:36was the big thing. And then we had the

48:38inauthentic content wave where basically

48:4090% of those channels got wiped out and

48:43the ones that were not in a CMS. Um like

48:46with the sleep story channels, a lot of

48:47them got hit as well, lost a lot of

48:49revenue. And now the trend is with these

48:52avatar videos, you know, say channels

48:54like Elias Yorder, everyone knows this

48:56channel, right? He kind of set the trend

48:58with those avatar story videos, ebook in

49:01the back end. But there will be a next

49:03thing coming up perhaps this year,

49:05perhaps at the start of next year. And

49:07what do you think will be like the next

49:08big trend because you know you want to

49:10be ahead of the curve to be prepared to

49:13make a lot of money with that. So what

49:15do you think? And it's crazy that you

49:18asked that because you know, thank God

49:20like honestly I just got to thank God

49:23like right like me being able to me

49:26being fortunate enough to be the first

49:28one to come out with the AI avatar

49:31channel, right? Like you kind of you do

49:34kind of got to like kind of see what's

49:36next. Like pay attention to the AI tools

49:38and the trends like what's actually

49:40going viral for the AI tools and how can

49:43you implement into YouTube. That's

49:44honestly how I thought of the AI avatar

49:47thing and you know was able to be the

49:49first one to do it just because I was

49:50paying attention to the trends, right?

49:53So, I'm giving y'all sauce on how to

49:54figure out what can be next or what is

49:56next. Pay attention to like the viral AI

50:00tools and like see how you can implement

50:02it into a's YouTube channel. So, that's

50:06how I was able to even come up with

50:07that. But the next thing, bro, I'm not

50:10gonna lie, it's actually already on

50:12YouTube a little bit, but people aren't

50:15really, it's not really in the faceless

50:17YouTube space, like, right? And people

50:19aren't really pushing it to the max.

50:22But, bro, it is a huge gap. And

50:27I gota I gotta save this one for, you

50:29know, just my 101 members, right? Like,

50:32I gotta save I gotta save it for them.

50:34But I'm working on a huge project that I

50:37definitely feel like is going to take

50:38over, you know, YouTube. It's Yeah. The

50:42same way AI avatars took over, I

50:44definitely feel like this is going to

50:45take over. And even [sighs] the

50:49potential is way higher than AI avatars,

50:51right? Because until AI avatars get to

50:54the point where it looks like like this,

50:56like how me and you are talking and you

50:59can't tell, like where nobody can tell,

51:02that's like the ceiling for AI avatars.

51:05But but this it's like, bro, there's

51:09different type of companies that's going

51:10to want to work with you, right? Like

51:11it's gonna be it's going to go way past

51:13YouTube. So like I said, bro, I gotta I

51:16gotta save that for the 101 members.

51:18this

51:19>> So, give us like a little hint like for

51:20the people watching until this part of

51:22the video. Got to give them like a hint

51:24to prepare them for what's coming.

51:26>> I'm going to give y'all a hint. Okay.

51:30Viral AI tools, right? Think of that.

51:33Viral AI tools. How can you put it

51:35together with YouTube and some of it is

51:38already on YouTube? It's just not in the

51:40faceless community really, you know? So,

51:44it's it's it's on YouTube a little bit.

51:46It's just not nobody

51:50made it reach the max potential like

51:53nowhere near though, right? Like

51:56yeah, that that's that's the best I

51:59could kind of do, right? Like just viral

52:01AI tools and it's already on YouTube so

52:04you probably can find it. It's just not

52:07it's not maximized to its potential like

52:09nearly like nowhere near. So just think

52:13of some if you see something cool on

52:15YouTube like just think of like damn

52:17like how much money could I really make?

52:19And there's actually some faceless

52:21channels that use it just nobody is

52:23actually

52:26using it to the max potential. And it's

52:28crazy that face some Facebook channels

52:30are using it because I was thinking

52:33about this for over like a year and a

52:35half now. So like that lets you know

52:37people are starting to move on it, you

52:40know? So, you're gonna start seeing more

52:41and more of it. But the way I'm coming

52:44coming in,

52:48nobody see it's a lane wide open. Like,

52:50it's a lane wide open. Nobody nobody's

52:52really paying attention to it. And it's

52:54kind of similar to what I did with the

52:56AI avatars, right? Like how I kind of

52:58was able to bring that into YouTube and

53:01it's kind of similar. So, if you know,

53:03you know, right? Like I got to say that

53:05for the you know the 101 ones but

53:08the gap is wide open. Huge money

53:10opportunity. I'm not going to lie.

53:12>> Do you think it will be something that

53:14in a few months or like half a year from

53:17now even if you didn't do it people

53:19would be picking up on it but just now

53:21it's like still lowkey.

53:23>> Yeah. Yeah. It's still it's definitely

53:24lowkey right now. It's lowkey. But I

53:27feel like in two years there's probably

53:30going to be some people

53:32maybe like

53:34cuz you are going to need some big teams

53:36for this. But so maybe like two to three

53:39years is going to be some people that's

53:41like at the level that I'm thinking of

53:44right that I'm trying to get to. Maybe

53:46maybe a few people that there like two

53:48to three years. So that's why I'm

53:49building something big so I can get

53:51there before everybody. So you'll see.

53:55And once I drop it, well, you definitely

53:58gonna know before everybody. So, you

53:59you'll already see what I'm working on,

54:01stuff like that.

54:02>> Okay. Interesting. Yeah, because this is

54:04something that when you see it like with

54:07the avatars, honestly, I was thinking

54:09like, damn, this is so smart and it took

54:12so long for somebody to come up with

54:14that. Like you did the avatar mainly

54:16politics stuff last year and why did

54:19nobody think to combine like these

54:21simple news? For example, there were

54:22these nostalgic videos, right, where you

54:24had like the 70s basically images of

54:27from there like top 10 items from

54:30nostalgic times Australia or whatever

54:33>> and just combine it with an AI avatar.

54:35It's so simple to think about just as an

54:37example, right? Elias,

54:39but there's channels doing that. But it

54:42took over a year for somebody to come up

54:45with that. And I mean the guy behind the

54:47Elias Yodor channel, shout out goat, he

54:50had some avatar channels before that as

54:52well and he was playing around with

54:53stuff and it was always kind of his

54:56thing as well. But yeah, like it took so

54:59long. And if he didn't come up with

55:00Elias Yoder, honestly, who knows if

55:03somebody would have come up with this

55:05style of video any time. But for your

55:07thing, is it like something that when

55:09you see it as well, you will think like,

55:11damn, I could have come up with that.

55:13But it's just you have to think outside

55:15of the box and most people will never

55:17get there.

55:18>> Yeah. So it it's about experimenting

55:20with tools and stuff like that. So it is

55:23about that, right? So you probably see

55:24it and like damn, it does this does look

55:28like something that could, you know,

55:31go crazy, but it's like are you going to

55:34take the time to experiment with those

55:36tools, you know?

55:38>> Okay. [laughter]

55:39>> So

55:40>> yeah. So you kind of have more of an

55:42idea like you can kind of get a more

55:44gauge right like it's not something that

55:46you could just it's a oneclick thing

55:48like right you got to experiment with

55:50tools and things like that to like put

55:52it together and really kill like there's

55:56some and there's great things out there

55:57that people are doing like even

55:59currently with this type of thing but

56:02nobody's

56:03nobody's pushing it to the max yet.

56:05Nobody's took to p pushing it to the

56:07max. I just had a good idea for a last

56:10question that's maybe a bit fun like um

56:14you know that GTA 6 is probably one of

56:16the most hyped games ever right like

56:18people have been waiting for for so long

56:20they have been postponing it but now in

56:22like 82 days it's actually dropping and

56:26millions will be made on YouTube with it

56:28what would be your blueprint maybe you

56:30actually have something planned I don't

56:32know but like to make a 100 grand with

56:35GTA 6 launch on cube.

56:38>> Um, okay. I I you caught me off guard

56:42because I didn't even think anything

56:43about GTA 6. And you're absolutely

56:46right. Hundreds of thousands and

56:47millions of dollars going to be made

56:48from GTA 6 on YouTube. The blueprint for

56:53that,

56:55honestly, I don't have anything. Like, I

56:57wasn't even thinking of anything for it.

56:58But honestly, bro, it would be to do

57:00what's already worked in the past,

57:02right? So, when like you got to go dig

57:04deep, right? So, when people blew up off

57:06of GTA 5 when it first came out, like go

57:09dig deep and find out what people were

57:11doing when the game first came out and

57:13do the same thing. Um, same or niche

57:17bend it, right? Like we teach niche

57:19bending in YouTube. Niche bend it the

57:21same way. So, maybe you might have to

57:24either you can do a news channel on GTA

57:276, right? create a faceless YouTube

57:29channel AI avatar with news on GTA 6 or

57:32you can actually play the game yourself.

57:36So if you're playing the game yourself

57:39then just niche bend, right? So like

57:41what made Fortnite so popular, right?

57:44People were probably doing one-on-one

57:45matches with certain things um or

57:48whatever. Niche bend it to GTA 6, right?

57:51So use your YouTube skills, right? Use

57:53YouTube skills. niche Ben like take

57:56outliers that worked with GTA 5 when it

57:59first was popular and do the same thing

58:00in GTA 6 or make a AI avatar news

58:03channel and post a whole bunch about GTA

58:076. I know people gonna be doing that.

58:08They gonna be flooding the market with

58:10that. But those are, you know, a few

58:12ideas that you can definitely, you know,

58:14make a lot of money off of GTA 6 with.

58:17Um, I'm probably going to tap into the

58:19news channel myself. Um, now that I

58:22think about it, cuz I wasn't even

58:24thinking about GTA 6. I forgot all about

58:25it. But big market, big money

58:28opportunity for sure.

58:29>> You might want to start soon because

58:31like the hype is rising right now. We

58:33had the Cyber League stuff happening and

58:36maybe they will catch the hacker at some

58:38point. It will be really crazy big news,

58:41right? But then also

58:43>> with with big channels though like with

58:45the politics one you were also competing

58:47with I guess Fox News and all those

58:49other big outlets but somehow you still

58:52got it to outperform those.

58:55>> Was it because the quantity of videos

58:57like you posted 75 a day or did you

59:00start out slow and it was just really

59:01the packaging that carried it?

59:04>> It was the packaging that carried it.

59:05Let me tell y'all something. Fox News

59:08like actual news outlets are easy to

59:10beat. Let me tell you why. Because news,

59:13actual news, um, actual news channels

59:15who actually broadcast real news, they

59:17don't post videos based on outlier

59:20research and what's good, what's doing

59:22good in the YouTube market. They post

59:25videos and rely on their subscriber

59:27count. So, what you can do, I'm giving

59:29you free free game. You can take their

59:32same ideas that they do and get a lot of

59:34views. take the exact like if they post

59:37a video and it gets a million views,

59:39they didn't post it with outlier

59:42research and they literally posted it

59:45based off of them having a big

59:47subscriber base. So basically they have

59:50bad title and thumbnail packaging. So if

59:52they if one of their videos gets a

59:54million views or gets an insane amount

59:56of views, 700,000, whatever, one of

59:58their videos gets to that and it doesn't

1:00:01normally get that with bad packaging,

1:00:04use the same exact idea and but do it

1:00:08with outlier research. So take the same

1:00:10idea, just package it different with

1:00:12outlier research, and your video is most

1:00:14like going to do better than theirs.

1:00:16Even though they're the nudes, they

1:00:18don't know the YouTube market. It's

1:00:19completely different. That's why I say

1:00:21don't pay attention to Google Trends.

1:00:23Pay attention to outlier research. Like

1:00:25I said, we're posting eight videos a

1:00:26day. All of outlier research. Bro, we

1:00:29were getting at one point we were

1:00:32getting over

1:00:3415 videos a day that was getting a

1:00:37100,000 views in the first

1:00:4124 hours. So, we was getting anywhere

1:00:44from we was posting 80 videos a day. 10

1:00:46to 15 of them were getting a 100,000

1:00:48views in the first 24 hours

1:00:51because why? Outlier research, right? So

1:00:56the news outlets, they give you game.

1:00:58They they give you money, right? They

1:01:00they posting videos about popular topics

1:01:03that people want to hear and if it goes

1:01:05viral for them, they don't know

1:01:07packaging. So, you know, packaging, take

1:01:09that and put it into the correct

1:01:12packaging and you'll get more views than

1:01:13they will get. And you could be have

1:01:162,000 subscribers and they could have

1:01:19four million and you'll get more views

1:01:21than them because you know, you

1:01:22understand packaging.

1:01:25That's what it's all about.

1:01:26>> Yeah, that's a big one. Yeah. People are

1:01:28focusing on the niches mainly, but if

1:01:30your packaging isn't really good, then

1:01:33the videos can't blow up and somebody

1:01:35else might come around and then he might

1:01:37just, you could almost say steal the

1:01:39niche of you because he has way better

1:01:41packaging. So this is one of the reasons

1:01:42why also if there is a niche where you

1:01:45might deem it saturated, there's

1:01:47somebody perhaps he's posting one video

1:01:49every 5 days and every video blows up,

1:01:51but you can just outscale them based on

1:01:53his sheer volume plus a good packaging,

1:01:55right? And that's what I did. [laughter]

1:01:59>> That's what I did. Right. So they would

1:02:02like there was plenty of like channels

1:02:04in my niche, channels with hundreds of

1:02:07channels with millions of subscribers

1:02:10posting, you know, a certain amount of

1:02:12times a day or like posting a few times

1:02:14a day or not even every day. And they

1:02:18were doing they weren't even poking with

1:02:19posting with good packaging. So what I

1:02:22what did I do? I came in and used good

1:02:25packaging

1:02:27and posted way more than them, but I

1:02:30used good packaging for every single

1:02:31video and it blew them out the water.

1:02:33And these are big companies I'm going

1:02:35against. That's why like like everybody

1:02:38just reacting to like my system or

1:02:41whatever. It's like, bro, like y'all too

1:02:43focused on like the like the golden

1:02:46things like you see on Twitter. Like

1:02:47bro, like get in the trenches and figure

1:02:49out packaging. Like it's that's it. Like

1:02:52you master packaging, you can make as

1:02:54much money as you want. Of course, you

1:02:56got to know how to put a team together

1:02:57and all that type. That's the easy part,

1:02:58though. The packaging is what what holds

1:03:01the money.

1:03:02>> So, right now, people won't be able to

1:03:04find you on Twitter or really anywhere,

1:03:06right? Like you you started building a

1:03:08brand on YouTube now where you teach

1:03:10people sauce on YouTube, but it's still

1:03:13fairly recent, right? So, will you have

1:03:14like a Twitter or something I can link

1:03:16under this video if people want to like

1:03:18get in contact or just when you share

1:03:20more sauce there, right? maybe on a few

1:03:22of your other channels that you're

1:03:23running right now, all that kind of

1:03:25stuff.

1:03:26>> So, where can people reach you

1:03:27basically?

1:03:28>> So, my Twitter is Javon Gamry. Um,

1:03:32will put it in description. Instagram

1:03:34DWN

1:03:36engine dw.

1:03:40will probably also put that in

1:03:41description. But yeah, so my Twitter is

1:03:43mostly basketball, but I'm going to turn

1:03:45into, you know, I guess become a YouTube

1:03:50Twitter guy, I guess, now. So you guys

1:03:52could find me on there, message me on

1:03:53there or Instagram, whatever, you know,

1:03:57either either platform is fine. So guys,

1:04:00we didn't even talk about all the sauce

1:04:02that he has because I was talking with

1:04:03him privately and he shared much more

1:04:06stuff to me, more of his channels and I

1:04:08learned so much stuff where I just told

1:04:10him, let's get on an interview like um

1:04:12there's not many people in the YouTube

1:04:13auto space that know him, but he has so

1:04:16much stuff to share. So if you like this

1:04:17video, then you can also put it in the

1:04:19comments and maybe we can do like a part

1:04:21two or something. You can write

1:04:23suggestions for questions. I guess he

1:04:25knows about a lot of stuff and

1:04:27especially the business aspect of

1:04:29YouTube, how to scale it as a real

1:04:31business and not just be employed as

1:04:33your own YouTube automation guy, right?

1:04:36So, really interesting, bro. I

1:04:37appreciate that a lot.

1:04:39>> Yeah, no problem, my guy. I appreciate

1:04:40you for having