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0:00I’ve been a club board member for 10
0:02years , you know ? I joined in 2017 ,
0:05actually in the December 2016 election ,
0:08but I’ve been following Internacional
0:11since I was very young , you know ? Uh ,
0:15everyone knows , my father was , as you
0:17said , his resume , he was the Inter
0:19board president and my father was a
0:22board member , he’s been a board
0:24member since 1991 , okay ? Uh , he joined
0:28the Deliberative Council . At that time ,
0:30there were no elections for the council
0:32, right ? It was by invitation , it was
0:35by nomination . And my father
0:38participated in Inter’s defense , in
0:40the Simão case , right , in the 1991
0:42Gaucho Championship , if my memory
0:44serves me right .
0:45>> We spent the morning at the courthouse
0:47covering it , and a fight almost broke
0:49out among the press , just to give you
0:51an idea of how " light " that was .
0:53>> I remember well that it was your father
0:54who made the defense .
0:55>> Exactly . No , he helped , right ? Because
0:57actually , since he was a magistrate , he
1:00couldn't sign the defense , but he
1:01helped as a Colorado , he helped draft
1:03the minutes of the arguments , he helped
1:06make the defense , right ? And that's
1:10when he was invited to become a board
1:11member , he joined the council , and
1:12later within the council , he was one of
1:14those who fought for direct elections ,
1:16right ? And proportional ones . When
1:20there's an election and there's a lot
1:23of confusion , he says " I helped , I
1:25helped install this situation . " Anyway ,
1:28just joking , right ? Obviously , he is in
1:30favor of direct elections , right ? But
1:31anyway . Uh , so since that time I’ve
1:34been following Inter's politics , right ?
1:37I would go to the meetings of the
1:39movements with him , of the Independent
1:41Colorado Action , of the Interaction . Uh
1:44, so , I’ve lived Inter intensely and
1:47in a politicized way , let’s say ,
1:49since I was a child , right ? So , I was
1:53already used to this political matter .
1:55I’ve already been a board member for
1:5810 years , but it's true , right , that
1:59it’s sometimes pointed out as a
2:01critical point regarding me : that I
2:03haven’t held executive positions . But
2:06I understand that this is actually a
2:09handicap , right ? It’s something
2:11favorable , because the situation Inter
2:14is in , which is a very difficult
2:16situation , of extreme financial gravity
2:19and a drought of victories on the field
2:22, as well .
2:22>> There is a lot of vice in the process .
2:24It’s not from now , right ? It’s not
2:26from now . It’s been this way for a
2:28long time , right ? I understand that
2:31it's , well , clearly , these last six
2:33years under this board were bad , but
2:35this bad situation has been going on
2:37for a while . And let's also remember
2:40that this board is a continuation of
2:42the previous one , right ? Because
2:45Alessandro Barcelos , who is the current
2:47president , was the vice president of
2:49finance , administration , and soccer
2:51under Marcelo Medeiros . So , this
2:54delicate situation at Inter has been
2:56going on for about 15 years now , which
2:58is how long Inter hasn't won any titles
2:59and also how long this financial
3:01situation has just been worsening and
3:02deteriorating , right ? So , I believe
3:06it's time for change , right ? It's a
3:09moment of , it's a moment of renewal , a
3:12moment for fresh air . I will look to
3:15surround myself , I will look to — no , I
3:16am already surrounding myself with
3:17experienced people . Eduardo Husen was
3:19the director of soccer in 2013 , so he
3:21has experience with Inter's soccer
3:23operations . Ricardo Breer has
3:25management experience and was the
3:26president of the Bar Association . Diogo
3:30Beer is an excellent communicator , a
3:32director at Fiergs , a businessman , in
3:35short , he has a widely recognized
3:38management capacity , was a good
3:40parliamentarian , and Macena also has a
3:43history of work in the private ,
3:45corporate world . So , I believe we have
3:49put together a good ticket that blends
3:51people who complement each other , right
3:52? And I think we can , yes , and I have
3:56— I think , no , I am sure that we can
3:59manage well and restore the club's
4:01credibility , especially because I
4:03believe Inter's destiny cannot be left
4:06in the hands of luck or chance , right ?
4:10We can't think that simply by fate , the
4:14club's destiny will return to being a
4:17winning one . It's a matter of hard work
4:20, right ? It's a matter of time , it's a
4:23matter of reorganization for the club
4:25to return to having success , right ? No ,
4:27it won't be overnight and it won't be
4:30easy , right ? Anyone selling an easy
4:32solution , I think , is selling a dream
4:35to the fans . It's not like that . It
4:38also doesn't mean that the first year
4:40of management will be a bad year . I'm
4:43not saying that , I'm just saying that
4:45we will have to reorganize the club so
4:46that , with a lot of hard work , it gets
4:48back on the tracks of success and
4:50victory .
4:52>> Well , you are , welcome , candidate . Ah ,
4:56we always try , more or less , to see who
4:58is more opposition or less opposition ,
5:00if such a thing even exists , right ?
5:02Politically , they talk about the "
5:04centrão " or the political center . To
5:06reach an agreement with so many
5:08movements at Inter , is it possible or
5:10imaginable to make some connections
5:12like this and even count on people from
5:15this administration , for example , eh ,
5:17Macena , right , he is one from the
5:19current president's administration .
5:22>> No , actually he is not from the current
5:23administration , he participated in the
5:24first one .
5:25>> In the first one . That's it .
5:26>> That's it . Look , Dal Pizol , eh , I
5:29usually say the following , 71 % of the
5:31members voted for Vitório Pífero ,
5:33okay ? Eh , I don't remember how many
5:37councilors , but it was around 150 who
5:38voted for Pífero , okay ? Eh , I want the
5:41votes of those who voted for Pífero . I
5:44want the votes of the members who voted
5:46for Medeiros , I want the votes of the
5:48members who voted for Barcelos . I want
5:51the votes , I want the votes and the
5:52support . Support , we want support from
5:56all Colorados , right ? This issue of us
5:59constantly condemning everyone who
6:01voted for A or who voted for B , if we
6:03go down that path , then no one is left
6:05to participate in the club's politics ,
6:07nor for us to ask for votes , right ?
6:10>> And even because , right now , he does
6:11have good vice presidents , there are
6:13some who are very good , right ? Well
6:14then , I believe like this , look , eh ,
6:17Dal Pizol , this issue of us hunting
6:19down who supported A or who supported B
6:21, that is sometimes a lot of social
6:24media talk , that's how I see it , okay ?
6:27Because , eh , the Management Council
6:29ticket , my ticket , is out there .
6:32Whoever wants to analyze the ticket ,
6:34the five are there , the ticket is
6:35already registered . So , if we want to
6:39analyze the ticket to see if it is , if
6:41we go down that path of , oh , is it
6:43opposition or not , look at the ticket ,
6:45look at the five and tell me which of
6:47these five has participated in these
6:49last two administrations . You mentioned
6:53counselor Macena , I am very proud that
6:55he is on my ticket , he is a great
6:56Colorado ,
6:57>> he is a decent person , he is a
6:59hardworking guy , he is a guy who is
7:01dedicated to the club . I was a
7:03classmate of Macena's daughter in
7:05school . He is a , she was
7:07>> she was a , she was a great Colorado . So
7:10, this issue of us chasing after who
7:12supported Barcelos or who supported
7:14Pífero , that is normal . That happens
7:17in elections , right ? Everyone has
7:19already voted for someone . And if
7:22that's the case , the MIG , the MIG was
7:25an ally of Barcelos .
7:26>> Uh-huh .
7:27>> Before Barcelos became president .
7:29Barcellos became president because he
7:31was the MIG vice-president of finance ,
7:33administration , and soccer . Amarante
7:35says he is unlucky . Do you agree ,
7:37Marcelo ?
7:38>> Well , I won't go down the road of bad
7:40luck because , well , luck and bad luck
7:42exist , even though the game against
7:43Corinthians shows that we were very ,
7:45very lucky , right ? But luck and bad
7:48luck do exist and happen , but I don't
7:50believe in solid and consistent results
7:53based only on luck or bad luck , right ?
7:55You have to have competence . Eventually
7:58in one game , in one match , you have
7:59luck or bad luck . So , regarding this
8:03composition issue , we tried to create a
8:06ticket of change , renewal , and fresh
8:09air . And I think the ticket shows that .
8:11>> How many groups are there , sorry , can I
8:13add one more ? How many groups support
8:16you in this ? How many are there at
8:17Inter , anyway ? 20 .
8:19>> There are almost 20 groups , actually ,
8:20you know . On this Management Board
8:23ticket , for example , the criteria were
8:25very technical , okay ? Uh-huh .
8:26>> Because Ricardo Breier , he was from MIG
8:29and he is on my ticket .
8:31>> I didn't remember that .
8:32>> That's right . He was from MIG . But why
8:33is he on the ticket ? Because he is
8:36undeniably a person of impeccable
8:38conduct , a guy who was president of the
8:40Bar Association , very upright ,
8:42competent , an excellent lawyer , and an
8:44excellent manager with management
8:46experience , right ? So , this issue of
8:49political movements was left aside a
8:52bit when building the ticket , so we
8:55could prioritize resumes and prioritize
8:58change in the club . Especially because
9:01I understand it's useless for me to win
9:04the election only to keep doing the
9:06same things that have been done , with
9:08the same practices , because that way we
9:11won't be able to change the club's
9:13destiny and future .
9:15>> Vinicius ,
9:16>> Good morning , Dr. Leonardo , and
9:19regarding the idea of the presidency
9:21and the idea of soccer , which is the
9:24driving force , right , that moves
9:26Internacional and all soccer clubs , but
9:29especially Internacional . My point is
9:32as follows : I have really hammered the
9:35issue of professionalization and the
9:37end of amateurs running soccer . I think
9:40soccer involves too much money to put
9:42in the hands of amateurs ; it must be in
9:45the hands of professionals , people who
9:47are prepared and know the market . And I
9:51have talked a lot about the excessive
9:53amounts paid to players who come here ,
9:56regardless of whether they are foreign
9:58or not , but especially foreigners , many
10:01have been coming here and not
10:03delivering results . it only further
10:07burdens the club's finances . A club
10:12with a debt of over 1 billion . My
10:16question for you is the following : what
10:18is your idea regarding football
10:20management ? Uh , professionalism ? Is it
10:26to continue with a model based on
10:28political leadership ? uh to move toward
10:32using more youth players , scouting more
10:35in the domestic market , lowering
10:38football costs a bit , and , anyway , what
10:41is your idea about the management of
10:44the football department , which is the
10:47cornerstone of Internacional ? Good
10:50morning , Sinote . Thank you for the
10:52question , Sinote . Uh , I think there is
10:54no more room for football to be managed
10:57by politicians . Managed , I mean ,
10:59obviously , we are in an association
11:02club , a management council , it manages ,
11:04right ? Now , this issue of running
11:07football in the sense of running the
11:09day-to-day operations , in the sense of ,
11:11for example , mapping the market , this
11:13has to be extremely professional , right
11:15? As much as Aquino follows football ,
11:18knows players , Aquino is not a football
11:21professional ; he is a lawyer who likes
11:23football , who loves Inter , who follows
11:26football . But the role of the
11:28politician must be to establish a plan ,
11:31a plan for the football department , a
11:33plan that we have to follow , especially
11:35because now Internacional has filed a
11:37request for installment payments , a
11:39collective payment plan at the National
11:42Chamber of Dispute Resolution , right ?
11:45So , the club is obligated
11:47>> 31 million ,
11:48>> the club is obligated to follow the
11:52CNRD rules , right ? In other words , what
11:55does this mean ? From article 79 to
11:56article 86 , I have already been
11:58studying it , okay ? Uh , the club will
12:01not be able to spend more than what it
12:03will collect in the same window , in the
12:05transfer window , okay ? This is
12:08oversight that it establishes over the
12:11clubs . Because if the club requests a
12:15collective payment plan , a collective
12:18installment plan , it means it is in a
12:21state of insolvency for the CNRD . So ,
12:24if it is in a state of insolvency , it
12:26must follow these rules to demonstrate
12:29that it really wants to pay the debts
12:31and not that it is just kicking the can
12:33down the road to not pay later , right ?
12:36Because this happens a lot in football
12:37clubs , it used to happen , right ? And it
12:39still happens , and the rest has this
12:41rule to avoid this , so that you pay in
12:43installments so you can spend and then
12:46it's the next management's problem ,
12:48right ? So , and this is a rigid rule
12:50that the club will have to follow ,
12:51because it has already requested this
12:53collective payment plan . So , with that
12:56said , we will have to be creative in
12:58the market , we will have to be
13:00responsible , and more than ever , we
13:02will have to bet on young players —
13:04both by signing young talent with
13:06resale potential and by promoting
13:08athletes from our youth academy to the
13:10first team . Inter , for example , is
13:13having a poor performance in the
13:15Brazilian Championship , right ? Even
13:17though we had a recent win against
13:19Corinthians , Inter's performance is
13:20undeniably poor . So , there are some
13:23players with a high or above-average
13:26cost who we know that , perhaps if we
13:28were betting on lower-cost players or
13:31young ones with development potential ,
13:34they could perform as well as or better
13:37than these players who are
13:39underperforming , right ? So , I really
13:43bet on the professionalization of the
13:45department , in the sense of having a
13:47sports intelligence director who will
13:50oversee the entire market area , the
13:52entire performance analysis area ,
13:54research and development , and the use
13:56of artificial intelligence software
13:58tools for market mapping and signing
14:01athletes ; because Inter will have to be
14:03creative and won't be able to spend on
14:05signing expensive players or signing
14:08older players with high costs . There's
14:10no way to do that , right ? I'm not
14:13saying that if Aquino takes over , Inter
14:15won't sign a 30 - year-old player . No ,
14:17that's not it . But I am saying that
14:20betting on expensive signings of
14:22athletes you won't be able to resell ,
14:24or expensive signings that violate the
14:26rules of the financial regulators
14:28overseeing the club , will lead to
14:30punishments against Inter and create an
14:33unsustainable financial situation ,
14:35which is what we already have , right ?
14:38We have to prioritize paying salaries
14:40on time , we have to prioritize paying
14:42image rights on time , even so you can
14:43demand from the athletes the level of
14:45professionalism that football requires
14:47today . We look at the best players in
14:51the world , Cristiano Ronaldo , Haaland ,
14:54they take such care of their bodies and
14:57their daily routines , their sleep ,
15:00their diet , that imagine , if those
15:02players have that kind of care , our
15:05players with our investment power —
15:08since we won't be able to sign
15:10superstar , established players — we
15:13have to demand that kind of commitment
15:15from them . And to be able to establish
15:19a rigid rule and strong accountability ,
15:21you have to keep payments up to date .
15:24So , that would be , in short , my idea
15:27for football .
15:29>> Inter today has , to conclude , Inter
15:31today has two realities .
15:33>> Yes ,
15:33>> right ? The point that we are all
15:36rooting for , right , to happen not just
15:38for Inter , but for football in Rio
15:40Grande do Sul , and especially
15:42Internacional , which is the hot topic ,
15:44is staying in the first division , in
15:46Série A. Yes .
15:47>> Or the reality that no one wants , being
15:49relegated to Série B. Do you have a
15:51plan A and a plan B ?
15:53>> Of course , we have to have a plan A and
15:56a plan B. That is mandatory , because
15:58unfortunately it can even be a bit
16:00unpleasant to talk about it , right ? But
16:02we have to talk about it because it is
16:04the situation , right ? Inter , and if I
16:06come here and say it's obvious that
16:08Inter will be in the first division
16:10next year , I'm being
16:13>> purely a fan , right ? CL ,
16:15>> it's what I want , but today the
16:16situation is precarious . So , we must ,
16:19yes , have a plan for Série A and a
16:22plan for Série B , although I am
16:24confident due to the victory now
16:27against Corinthians , because I believe
16:30that this put Inter back in the fight ,
16:33right ? Inter was , before the game with
16:36Chapecoense and before the game with
16:38Corinthians , in a situation where even
16:41if they won a match , it still wasn't
16:44enough to get out . Now Internacional
16:47has caught up to Corinthians itself ,
16:49it's right there , uh breathing down the
16:54necks of some , right ? So , I think it
16:56boosted spirits , I felt the team's
16:58morale was better . Although , analyzing
17:02the game coldly , I was quite worried
17:05because Corinthians missed countless
17:07opportunities , right ? But , in the
17:10situation Inter finds itself in , the
17:12main thing was to win , right ? The main
17:15thing was to win to try to regain
17:17confidence and try to establish a new
17:20reality , a new spirit , right ? I think
17:25the Grenal is decisive , truly decisive ,
17:29because if we win , then yes , I believe
17:32it begins to solidify a comeback and we
17:35even pull away from Grêmio itself ,
17:38right ? pull away from Grêmio itself .
17:41Today we are one point ahead of Grêmio
17:43. But so yes , we have to work with both
17:47scenarios , even for the sake of , uh ,
17:49mapping , like , for the board , it's more
17:52or less mapped out already . Oh , this
17:55matter of who will handle the market
17:57area , I already have a I'm already
17:59talking to a professional . Now , about
18:02the director of football , which would
18:05be for disciplinary matters , and the
18:07technical director , the idea isn't that
18:09I don't want to keep Abel Braga , who is
18:12an experienced professional who knows
18:14football and knows the club , right ? But
18:18I haven't spoken to him yet because I
18:20think he needs to be focused on Inter's
18:22day-to-day , on getting the team out of
18:24this situation , right ? So I will do
18:27that after the championship . The
18:29championship ends on the 2nd and the
18:31election only happens on the 12th ,
18:33right ? So , answering objectively , yes ,
18:37we have to be realistic and keep an eye
18:39on Serie A or Serie B.
18:41>> Well , especially because the budgets
18:42will be different , right ? Exactly .
18:45>> Leonardo Aquino , candidate for
18:46president of Internacional , whom we are
18:49talking to here at the Corner of
18:51Communication , on Ipiranga at the
18:53corner of João Pessoa . You : by having
18:58less , let's say , ties or fewer
19:00partnerships with prominent figures
19:03from the past — prominent , I mean ,
19:05those almost always present in the
19:08political life of Internacional , like
19:11Marcelo Medeiros , Giovanni Luigi ,
19:13Fernando Carvalho — you are now closer
19:16to president Fernando Miranda , or did
19:19Miranda approach you because of your
19:21way of thinking , I don't know . Is it
19:25good or bad not to be close to these
19:29prominent figures from the past ? Look ,
19:34Heck , that has its pros and cons , right
19:37? I think that since the Colorado fan
19:41is thirsty for change , right ? Uh , I
19:47think on one hand it's positive ,
19:49because there are fans who have a
19:51mindset of " enough , enough of the same
19:53old thing , " right ? Enough of always
19:57chasing our own tails , right ? Uh ,
20:00moving from Medeiros , from Melo , to
20:03Barcelos , then back to Melo . Uh , it's
20:07more or less staying with the same
20:09people , right ? Always keeping the same
20:11ones rotating in power . Now , there is
20:15also the fact that many are a reference
20:18, right ? Not all , but many are a
20:21positive reference . So , the side of
20:23having a positive reference is also
20:26good , right ? So , it has its pros and
20:29cons , right ? I consider the support of
20:32president Fernando Miranda , I was very
20:34happy , I was very honored . To me , he
20:36was a president who put Inter on the
20:39right track , put Inter on the path to
20:42victory , because I think those — I
20:44think , no , I'm sure — that those Inter
20:47victories in 2005 , 2006 , right ? I
20:50consider 2005 , because Inter was the
20:52champion in 2005 , the title was stolen
20:55from Inter , and 2006 , all those Inter
20:57achievements were there , right ? They
21:00didn't start in 2006 , 2005 . That was
21:02the result of a process , because Inter
21:04was the club that best adapted to the
21:06Pelé Law , right ? Inter adapted very
21:09well to the Pelé Law , developed
21:11players , didn't lose players . We saw
21:13there that Grêmio , for example ,
21:15suffered that blow of having lost
21:17Ronaldinho for free to PSG . So I think
21:20that now we are living through a
21:22similar moment . We have to reorganize
21:26the club , rebalance the club , prepare
21:28the club for these oversight rules from
21:31the ANRESF , not being able to spend
21:33more than what is permitted by law , by
21:35oversight , and to have creative
21:37transfer windows . Because I keep
21:43thinking , right ? In 2017 , Internacional
21:47played in Série B and in that Série B
21:52, Inter , if my memory serves me right ,
21:55and you can check this because you're a
21:58whiz at these numbers and
22:00>> Let's see , maybe I'll even remember .
22:02>> That was the most expensive team in the
22:05history of Série B , okay ? Or if it
22:08wasn't the most expensive , it was one
22:09of them .
22:11>> Inter signed Potker , Internacional
22:13signed Camilo , Internacional signed
22:15Leandro Damião , Internacional signed
22:17Edenilson , Internacional signed Cuesta .
22:20>> Indeed . And at this and in this moment ,
22:23we hope that doesn't happen , right ? We
22:26hope that Internacional ,
22:28>> Wend was a fullback too .
22:30>> We hope that Internacional doesn't play
22:32in Série B next year , but
22:34Internacional won't be able to make
22:35that kind of investment even in Série
22:37A next year . There are the investors ,
22:41>> these , uh , just let me finish . Uh , so
22:44Internacional won't be able to make
22:46that kind of investment next year , even
22:48if they stay in the first division . Uh ,
22:51for , by reason of , I just talked about
22:53the ANRESF oversight , Inter will have
22:56to follow a responsible transfer window
22:58, right ? They won't be able to , uh ,
23:01promote that kind of spending spree
23:03that Internacional did between 2017 ,
23:062018 , 2019 , they spent I think around
23:09100 , 150 million . No , I don't remember ,
23:11okay ? Now , but I will look at the
23:12balance sheet to give an accurate
23:14number .
23:14>> Updating it , it's almost 500
23:16>> just in just in buying buying players .
23:20I'm not even talking about salaries ,
23:22I'm talking about buying players , right
23:24? So Inter will have to be very
23:27creative in the market . So , the
23:30so-called player signing experiment
23:32that was done in the recent past cannot
23:35be done now . There is no way to repeat
23:38what was done in the last 15 years , 10 ,
23:4115 years , for now . There is no way .
23:43There is no way because of the law . We
23:45are talking about the oversight rules
23:47that will be imposed on the club .
23:50Regarding the issue of the investors ,
23:52uh , from PISOL .
23:53>> Exactly . They don't give anything for
23:54free . We were talking off-air , there's
23:56a return , but sometimes you have to eat
23:58out of their hands , pardon the
23:59expression .
24:00>> No , you don't , no , you don't have to
24:01eat out of their hands and you can't
24:03eat out of their hands .
24:04>> But in the name of desperation
24:06>> because , uh , PSOL might , but by the
24:09rule , by the CBF rule , you can't . If
24:13the next president arrives in January
24:15and wants to sign Gabigol , because
24:17Inter has to think big , paying millions
24:19to Santos . Let's give an example here .
24:22I said it because I saw Gabigol falling
24:23in the box there , drawing a penalty . Uh
24:25, it's not allowed , it's not allowed .
24:28It doesn't matter , because the rule
24:30determines that the club cannot spend
24:32more than it earned from selling
24:34athletes , unless it sells an athlete
24:36for 30 , 40 , 50 million more than what
24:38it will pay to sign someone . And this
24:42signing , if done by an investor , if it
24:44isn't a gift to the club , if it's
24:46something the investor bought and will
24:48later charge for , it will turn into
24:50debt . And then later the club starts
24:53having its accounts blocked , and
24:54there's 60 million frozen in the club's
24:56account . And do you think this is the
24:59policy Inter needs for the coming years
25:01?
25:01>> It's just that it's desperate sometimes
25:03, right ? You , for example , they
25:05criticize very quickly , they criticize
25:07President Alberto Guerra because he
25:10spent , I would have done the same thing
25:12, the desperation of going , of falling
25:14to the second division . I was referring
25:17to
25:17>> Yeah , I won't talk about Alberto Guerra
25:19because I'm not a Gremio fan , I'm a
25:20Colorado , thank God , but I think like
25:22this , uh , and thank God it's thanks to
25:24my father , right , that
25:27>> My father , my grandfather , but , but ...
25:29Anyway , people , I wouldn't do the same ,
25:31I wouldn't do it like that , because I
25:33believe this is what leads the club to
25:35a situation of bankruptcy , this is what
25:37leads the club to a situation of
25:39insolvency , this is what leads the club
25:41to then be unable to invest in signing
25:43players . Sure , I understand that if
25:47you're in a situation where you're
25:49heading toward the relegation zone , you
25:51have to find some solution to fill your
25:53roster so you don't go down . That is
25:55obvious , right ? Now , you spending , like
25:59Inter spent in the recent past , all
26:01those signings that REC mentioned here
26:03that we talked about , it’s not about
26:05whether I want to or not , you won’t
26:08be able to do that , because Inter won't
26:10be able to spend more than what it
26:12collects from player sales in the same
26:15window . That is a rule . This is no
26:18longer even a matter of wanting to or
26:20not , it’s a rule . So Inter will have
26:22to follow this rule . So it's no use if
26:25an investor comes and says they will
26:27sign a player for Inter and will sign a
26:29Messi and it will cost 500 million ,
26:31only if Internacional sells 600 in the
26:33same window .
26:35>> Sure ,
26:35>> it’s a rule . The president is labeled
26:38a " soccer president , " president
26:39Alessandro takes heat , including from
26:41people in the current board . The
26:45president , because he has to be on top
26:46of things , and that’s right , is he in
26:48the locker room , or is it better the
26:50less he shows up in the locker room ?
26:54The president has to go to the locker
26:57room , especially because if he doesn't ,
27:00it will give a feeling of abandonment ,
27:03that he isn't there , that he is , well ,
27:05the players also want to see that the
27:08president is present and that he is
27:10following along and that he is there ,
27:13that he is , anyway , I think the
27:15president has to be present . Now , the
27:20president has to have a presidential
27:22stance , right ? Eh , I’ve even
27:26discussed this several times with
27:27Fernando Carvalho himself , I talked
27:29with Fernando Miranda , I talked —
27:30they're nagging me here that I have to
27:32face forward , it’s just that I like
27:33to look at whoever asked the question .
27:35Eh , and so , in the various
27:37conversations I’ve had , this was said
27:39to me . Look , the president has to be
27:41there , right ? The players have to see
27:43that the president is , eh , is there , is
27:45interested , is holding people
27:47accountable . They have to realize that
27:49the president is there , but the
27:50president has to have a presidential
27:52stance , he has to delegate , right ? I
27:53think the criticism made of Alessandro
27:55Barcellos is in the sense that he was
27:57too much of a one-man show , right ,
28:00>> it’s very much on his figure ; for
28:02example , now there is no vice president
28:03of soccer , the bylaws require there to
28:05be one , right ? But I don't think our
28:08problems necessarily stem from that .
28:11It's just that when things start going
28:13really wrong , people start criticizing
28:14everything , right ? Eh , I think the main
28:16problem is really the issue of squad
28:18building . I see that Inter has a team
28:21with a low average height . Inter scored
28:24one header goal in the entire Brazilian
28:26Championship , right ? And in a league
28:28that is even , that is balanced , this is
28:30fatal , because many games are decided
28:32this way , they are decided on set
28:34pieces , they are decided on goals , eh ,
28:38from aerial plays , right ? So , I think
28:41Inter's squad is unbalanced . Inter's
28:44squad is unbalanced . So , and also this
28:47issue of the executive directors , I
28:50think , eh , the executive directors
28:52there , I didn't really like the
28:55executive directors he hired , right ? I
28:58didn't like them . To me , I think one of
29:00the best professionals who was in
29:02Inter's football department was Paulo
29:04Torri , who is an experienced
29:05professional and knowledgeable about
29:07football , right ? I think on this point ,
29:11yes , we have to have knowledge and
29:13experience , which is the issue of the
29:16professionals . They are the ones who
29:19have to run the day-to-day , they are
29:21the ones who have to map the market and
29:23handle holding the coaching staff
29:26accountable . Eh , the whole point is
29:28that the professionals have to have a
29:31direction , they have to have a plan
29:33made by the board , by the management
29:35council , and they have to have a
29:38project , they have to have goals to
29:40reach , right ? Eh , and this is the
29:42president's role , this is the role of
29:44the politicians , and the politicians
29:48represent the fans , they represent the
29:50members , but this issue of the
29:51president's presence there , the
29:53president has to be there , but there
29:54has to be a balance , right ? He can't be
29:58there all the time , every moment , eh ,
30:00and , and , and not delegate , but he also
30:03can't be absent .
30:04>> Well , eh , about the funds that are
30:06being talked about so much , right ? I'm
30:08following São Paulo's situation . Did
30:13São Paulo make a bad deal or is
30:15football just like that , it has its
30:17tricks , and they had to change course ,
30:20sign more players , hire an expensive
30:22coach , and all those things . How do you
30:27partner with these funds ? Where are
30:31these funds that Internacional could
30:33look for money for immediate needs ,
30:35which will be , for example , the start
30:37of your term if you start , if you win
30:40the election in January , you'll need to
30:42come up with 100 million . Where does
30:46this more immediate money come from ?
30:49And knowing that , hopefully Inter stays
30:51in the first division , because if they
30:54go to the second division , there isn't
30:56even TV money to advance .
30:58>> There is , there is , but it's much
30:59smaller .
30:59>> It's much smaller . Yeah , that's it .
31:02What what can be done and how have you
31:04thought about this situation which will
31:06be of extreme urgency already in the
31:08month of December ?
31:10>> Look , I'll make a joke , okay ?
31:12>> Yeah ,
31:13>> there are some who get 100 million
31:16every day , right ? So there are some
31:19that can't .
31:20>> It used to be the million-dollar show ,
31:21now it's the 100 - million-dollar show .
31:23>> Yeah , so , by election day , I joked the
31:25other day in the group , Inter will
31:27already have their debt paid off , right
31:29? Inter won't have any more debts and
31:32will be and will be competing for the
31:34signing of Olise with Real Madrid ,
31:35right ? Because every three days there's
31:38news of 100 million . But joking aside ,
31:40right ? Now speaking seriously , yes ,
31:43there are these investment funds , but
31:45they demand rules . Okay ? They demand
31:49rules that the club follows so they can
31:51have the view that the club won't use
31:53the money to sign players , for example ,
31:55that the club will use the money to pay
31:57off liabilities , even so the fund gets
31:59a return . The fund wants to put money
32:02in to get a return . So no money is like
32:05that , nothing is free , right ? Nothing
32:07is free . So , the funds demand
32:10governance rules to be able to
32:12structure an operation where the fund
32:14goes and puts 100 , 200 , 250 million
32:17into the club . There's a grace period
32:20for the club to start paying back and ,
32:23then , the club the fund starts to
32:25receive a return , and always with
32:27governance rules . What do you mean by
32:30governance rules , for example , like
32:32these ANRESF rules , with a payroll
32:34spending cap , with a spending cap on
32:37transfer windows for
32:38>> But they are the ones who establish
32:40this ,
32:40>> aren't they ? Together with the club
32:42itself , right ?
32:43>> Yeah , even so ,
32:44>> it's together with the club itself .
32:47Because imagine , if you're an investor ,
32:49are you going to put 100 , 150 million
32:51into a club , if the club is going to
32:52take the money and go out and sign
32:54players ? No , I won't put my money in . I
32:57I am very careful with my money .
32:59>> Yeah , I I know I know about that . I've
33:01already heard about that , okay ?
33:03>> Actually , very much so . I've even heard
33:05it's too much .
33:06>> No , not that . That would be an investor
33:09.
33:09>> Yeah , that's it . Yeah , yeah . No , don't
33:10cry , don't cry . So what now ? So , here's
33:13the thing , Rec , the investor wants to
33:15see that you'll have responsible
33:17management so they can get a financial
33:18return , right ? It’s no use for the
33:21club , if you put another 200 million
33:23into the club for it to spend on
33:25signing players , you'll just end up
33:26breaking the club , because eventually
33:28the bill will come due , right ? So you
33:31can't do it like that . It has to be a
33:34responsible matter with governance
33:36rules . And that's how you structure an
33:38operation where you take the money and
33:40provide guarantees to the fund . One of
33:43them can be TV rights , another is the
33:46value of the advertising boards around
33:48the field , another could be revenue
33:50from player sales , right ? And depending
33:54on the guarantees you give the investor
33:56, you need authorization from the
33:58Deliberative Council .
34:01>> Venicius ,
34:03>> the idea for football , first of all , I
34:06think we should all only spend what we
34:09earn , football clubs , I already
34:12>> just to take your cue , Leonardo Aquino ,
34:15Dr. Leonardo Aquino , right ? Uh ,
34:18>> yeah , I even have the habit of calling
34:20him
34:21>> Aquino , right ? Yeah , no problem . No
34:24problem . We’ve had a relationship for
34:26some time now . But look , he already
34:29gave us news here today , he has already
34:31spoken to a professional who knows the
34:33market
34:35>> and later I want to know if it's a big
34:37name or if it will be a pleasant
34:38surprise . and he made a complimentary
34:41reference to Paulo Autuori with which I
34:43agree . But I think he needs to know
34:45what he wants . One minute he wants to
34:47be a coach , the next he doesn't . But I
34:50agree . He is a guy who knows a lot
34:52about football . He is a guy who is
34:53>> intelligent , level-headed .
34:55>> Autuori is a guy who , everything that
34:57is done or much of what is done today
34:59in football and treated as new , Autuori
35:02was already doing a long time ago .
35:04>> Yeah , he's very good . I've known him
35:05for a long time , but my idea is just
35:07the following , I have ,
35:08>> his great virtue is being my friend .
35:11>> Yeah , I have criticized a lot , Dr.
35:14Aquino , the issue of the player-signing
35:18craze and , look , the excess of players ,
35:22players of dubious origin , players who
35:25arrive there , I'll give two examples
35:29for
35:30>> Do you have something against Cape
35:33Verde , Croatia ? Yeah , no , look . And one
35:36example for each side so it doesn't get
35:38awkward , right ? Grêmio brought in this
35:42guy from
35:42>> He's going to talk about Borré , I
35:43already know .
35:44>> No , no , no . I'm going to talk about San
35:46>> Back on the pre-show he was always
35:47talking about Borré .
35:48>> No , for Borré I criticized the amounts
35:51involved , right ? He was a known player ,
35:54but
35:55>> Look , from what I'm hearing now , I'm
35:56already thinking Borré was cheap .
35:58>> Yeah , now , for example , Internacional
35:59brought in a player named Sanabria ,
36:02>> 800 ,
36:03>> and even signed a 3 - year contract with
36:06him , right ? An insufficient player . His
36:09resume says he is insufficient . So ,
36:12this model of football administration ,
36:14I am totally against it , I always have
36:16been . And I am a defender of scouting
36:21the domestic market more often . The two
36:25best signings for Grêmio and Porto
36:27Alegre football were in the second
36:29division . They are center-back Wallace
36:31and full-back Diego Caito . The two best
36:34signings for Grêmio were right there
36:36at CRB and Goiás . Can't we look a
36:39little bit more at the internal market ?
36:42Can't we do as well or better with
36:44players from the internal market or
36:46homegrown players ? Because they bring
36:50in real trash that doesn't play
36:51anything while paying a truckload of
36:53money . And the accumulation of this
36:56over time is what led both Grenal clubs
36:58to owe over 1 billion each . It's these
37:01errors over many years that accumulated
37:04a debt of 1 billion . I wanted to know
37:06what your idea is about this .
37:07>> What is the strategy ?
37:08>> Look , I agree with you , Se note . Eh ,
37:12from the point of view of expensive
37:15signings , okay ? From the point of view
37:18of spending , like you said , on trash ,
37:20right ? Eh , on that point I agree , right
37:23? Bringing in a player for a very high
37:26amount just because he is a foreigner ,
37:29I don't agree . Now I have to be sincere
37:31, because otherwise I get elected and
37:33then they will say I'm a liar . So , I
37:34prefer not to be a liar . I like to tell
37:36the truth . I am not going to tell you
37:38that I won't sign players from outside
37:40Brazil . That , that , I , that , no , that
37:43no . I will , if I have to sign , if it's
37:45mapped out , look , here we have a good
37:47player and such . The issue is financial
37:51responsibility and , of course , the
37:54athlete's ability to adapt to the club ,
37:56right ? Because , for example , uh uh
38:00Internacional has two African players .
38:02>> Uh-huh . Uh , one of them when he played ,
38:05the other one
38:07>> uh one of them when he played , Benjamim
38:09.
38:10>> I liked it , I thought he played well ,
38:12he seemed , seemed like a good player ,
38:14dynamic , uh , he distributed the ball .
38:17>> Are you going to get involved in the
38:18team lineup too ? No , of course not . Of
38:20course not . Of course not . And one of
38:22them , one of them I liked . Benjamim , I
38:24thought he was a dynamic player , a good
38:27player . Now , of course , right , the
38:30adaptation of an African player must be
38:33, intuitively , more complex than an
38:35Argentine or a Uruguayan , right ? Now ,
38:39that doesn't mean you can't have an
38:40African player . The point is , the point
38:43is multi-million dollar signings . Just
38:48because the player is famous or has a
38:49name or had one good season at a big
38:51South American club , that we must avoid
38:53, because that's what leads the club to
38:54a situation of debt , as you put it well
38:56.
38:57>> Sure .
38:58>> And I think this issue of scouting
39:00players in Série B or players who
39:02aren't that well known , I am in favor
39:04of that . I don't see any problem at all
39:06. Uh , I won't comment on the Grêmio
39:09issue because , well , Grêmio is
39:11>> No , but that was just as an example .
39:13>> Sure , sure . But I think so , there have
39:14already been examples at Internacional
39:16itself . I remember , for instance ,
39:18Cleiton Xavier , going back a bit , right
39:20? Cleiton Xavier , man , Cleiton Xavier
39:22arrived and proved to be a good player ,
39:24right ? He wasn't a superstar , but he
39:26was a good player , right ? So , like ,
39:29>> he came along with Rubiano and Geninho ,
39:33>> one of whom has even passed away , right
39:35?
39:35>> No , Sidmar came from Atsubara . Yeah ,
39:38Sidmar came from the same place ,
39:39>> he already passed away , right ?
39:40>> It's Rubiano , motorcycle accident . So ,
39:43like , but I think we mainly have to
39:45look at the youth academy , right ? I I I
39:48even feel like , it's complex for me to
39:51come and say : " João Bezerra has to
39:54play . " Yes ,
39:55>> I don't know much about him . I saw him
39:57because , like , we watch , oh , but don't
39:59you watch the youth games , Dr. Aquino ,
40:01no . Watch . I do watch . But we know that
40:04just because the guy does well in the
40:05youth ranks , it doesn't mean he'll do
40:07well in the pros , right ? You just have
40:09to remember Sarfiore .
40:11>> Sarrafior , we watched him in that Copa
40:13Ipiranga and thought : " My God , this guy
40:14is amazing , right ? "
40:16>> I was dead wrong .
40:17>> No , but many
40:18>> you still criticize me for that today .
40:19No , but many , many , because we watched
40:21him playing in the U20s and he
40:22destroyed it , and then in the pros .
40:24>> It's just a different league , right ?
40:26>> It changes , it didn't work out ,
40:27>> it's a different league , right ?
40:27>> It didn't work out . So , why do I say
40:29it's hard to argue that João Bezerra
40:32is a great player ? Because we don't see
40:35him play professionally , they don't put
40:37him in the game . And that's what I'm
40:38criticizing , you have to let him play .
40:40>> You know what really , really irritates
40:42me ? Maybe because I came from the
40:44countryside , and this is something I
40:46acknowledge , it bugs me ,
40:48>> it's the prejudice . Prejudice . I can't
40:53stand it because , well , I told an
40:56executive — I'll grant myself the right
41:00not to even name the club — I told an
41:04executive , actually , he was a candidate
41:08for president and ended up becoming one
41:12later . And I said to him : " Man , there's
41:16a wonderful player I've been watching
41:19play at Atlético Goianense , Marlon
41:21Freitas . " The executive told me : " Oh , I
41:25can't sign , announce a signing of a
41:27player from Atlético Goianense . " " Fair
41:29enough . "
41:30>> It had already happened with Fred when
41:32we recommended him ,
41:33>> it had already happened with Fred ,
41:34>> who was from América . Man , this guy is
41:36>> América Mineiro .
41:37>> Yeah . And then Botafogo didn't have any
41:41prejudice . Botafogo signed Marlon
41:43Freitas , who is now one of the best
41:45defensive midfielders in the country .
41:47>> Botafogo is safe , right ?
41:48>> I mean , you can't have prejudice ,
41:52>> no . You can't have prejudice . Oh ,
41:55because the guy comes from Europe , any
41:57hack will do . Now , let's take a look
41:59here at Série B. Let's look at Novo
42:01Horizontino , Criciúma . Let's send
42:04someone to go there and watch the guy
42:05play , you know ? Make a report . Look
42:08here , oh . So-and-so , so-and-so ,
42:10so-and-so . I saw so many games here ,
42:11and this guy here , you have to take a
42:13look . Bring him in without prejudice ,
42:15doc .
42:15>> Exactly .
42:16>> Of course . No , for sure . What I was
42:18concluding regarding the João Bezerra
42:19issue . I would like to see him play
42:23more often in the pros so we can get an
42:25idea if he's a player who will have
42:26good potential for the first division ,
42:28for the professional level or not . It
42:32seems to me that he does . He is a
42:34player who did very well in the youth
42:36ranks and everyone speaks highly of him
42:37, he has the physical build . So
42:39that’s what makes me a little
42:41bothered . I think that is the role of
42:43the political leader , for you to come
42:45in and set the guideline . Look , we have
42:48to use youth , we have to use the
42:50academy , we have to scout young players
42:52, we have to ... we have to promote youth
42:55, because we need to , including not
42:57just for financial reasons of of not
43:02being able to spend , but also later on ,
43:05for that too , to be able to sell , to
43:07sell .
43:09>> Doctor , I know you think he’ll make
43:10it to the general assembly , but I’ll
43:12ask you a question about the general
43:13context of the election . Do you think
43:16Melo runs any risk of not making it to
43:19the assembly , or would the historic
43:21strength of the MIG not allow that to
43:23happen , or is it no longer such a
43:25historic strength ? And to what extent
43:29does a vote-getter help , for example ,
43:32even if it might sometimes even harm
43:36the stable unity of the movement itself
43:39? Look , I think everyone runs the risk
43:43of not making it to the assembly , right
43:45? Because it’s a vote within the
43:48Deliberative Council . Voting , because
43:51it’s a democratic matter , is a secret
43:53ballot , right ? So , and I think that’s
43:55right , everyone goes there and votes
43:57for whoever they want , right ? Uh , I
44:00think voting , democracy is like that .
44:02So I see it as quite open , and I think
44:04Melo does have a risk of not making it
44:07to the assembly . I think the strength
44:11of the MIG was much greater in the more
44:14distant past due to the results on the
44:16field , which is what dictates the
44:19thermometer of football politics and
44:22the fans ' perspective , right ? Results
44:25on the field are what the fans want ,
44:27it’s what the Colorado supporters
44:28want . And since the MIG was in the
44:31club’s management from 2002 until
44:372020 and there Inter had a good , a good
44:42result up until 2006 , until 2010 ,
44:44let’s say , right ? Up to 2010 we won
44:46the Copa Sudamericana in 2008 , the
44:48Libertadores in 2010 . Starting in 2011 ,
44:51Inter has been on a decline , right ? So
44:55I think the strength of the MIG ,
44:56because of this , because of the issue
44:58of the results and the issue of
45:00Vitório Piffero , because of the issue ,
45:01anyway , there was quite a lot of wear
45:03and tear , it’s no longer the same ,
45:05although it is a traditional group ,
45:08>> the relegation itself , right ? The
45:10relegation itself , it is a traditional
45:11group , it has Fernando Carvalho , who is
45:13the president who won the Libertadores ,
45:14won the world title . But I think the
45:18member is already open to other
45:20proposals , to other ideas . Especially
45:23because , as I said at the beginning of
45:25my statement here : the club doesn't
45:27have to keep putting its destiny in the
45:29hands of luck , in the hands of chance ,
45:30in the hands of fate , right ? The club
45:34has to work on its destiny , has to
45:36reorganize the club , has to redo the
45:38soccer policy . If MIG wins , we won't
45:41have many changes in the soccer
45:43department , especially because one of
45:45the biggest criticisms I have of
45:46Alessandro Barcelos is that he promised
45:48changes and in reality he only changed
45:50the coaching staff . He just swapped
45:53Abel for Ramirez . Period . He didn't
45:56change anything regarding the soccer
45:58department staff . He didn't change the
46:01CAP issue , which is who does the market
46:03mapping . He he kept the staff , he kept
46:06the MIG staff . And that is one thing I
46:09never understood , okay ? Never
46:11understood . Because he ran an entire
46:13campaign focused on the issue of change
46:15and saying he would promote it . He even
46:18used a strong word , right ? Rupture ,
46:20which I don't even agree with , because
46:23I think any rupture in a soccer club
46:26management already brings a great deal
46:29of instability . I think you have to
46:32promote changes in bodies there , in key
46:36sectors . I think you have to promote
46:40changes in bodies , I used a bad word ,
46:42key positions , right ? I think you have
46:47to make a renovation of the soccer
46:49department , but not a rupture , right ?
46:53But he talked about rupture and didn't
46:55change anything . He didn't change it
46:57because the fan sometimes doesn't
46:59follow these internal staff positions
47:01much , right , which is who does the
47:03market mapping , for example . But they
47:06continued , they remained the same ones
47:08from the time of Roberto Melo and
47:09Marcelo Medeiros , right ? There was a
47:13professional from the CAP who left 3
47:15months ago , six months , and left not
47:18because he was fired , he left because
47:21he wanted to . So I think the club needs
47:25change , especially regarding soccer and
47:29the hiring policy . You can't keep
47:32signing 50 players every 2 years . What
47:34is the salary cap in the first division
47:38and a hypothetical cap in the second
47:41division ? It's less than half . The cut
47:45is extremely drastic so that the fan
47:47has an idea of what they are going to
47:50face .
47:51>> Look , Dalpisol , uh , since you're a good
47:54journalist , open up articles 79 through
47:5786 regarding the issue of football
48:00sustainability , okay ? Yeah . And you can
48:05read there that your spending cap , when
48:08you have an installment payment plan
48:10like Inter just did with the CNRD , is
48:13limited to the average of what you
48:15spent on the squad and coaching staff
48:17over the last 6 months , okay ? So you
48:21will have this legal limitation due to
48:23the fact that Internacional requested
48:26an installment plan .
48:27>> Yeah , Inter spent quite a bit , didn't
48:28they ?
48:29>> Yes . So , if you are in Série A , you
48:31won't be able to spend more than the
48:34average of the last six months . Even if
48:37you want to , even if a candidate comes
48:39along and says they have a benefactor
48:40who will sign very expensive players ,
48:42you can't . You can't . Unless you pay
48:45off this whole 31 million debt right
48:47away , right ? And then you are not , you
48:49are not limited by these rules anymore .
48:52>> And if you don't follow the rules ?
48:55>> Now , well , then you are , you are
48:57subject to punishments that start with
48:59warnings and then it goes ...
49:04>> it keeps , it keeps increasing those
49:06punishments up to the loss of points
49:08down the line , because financial fair
49:10play in Brazilian football is starting
49:13to take effect , right ? And the
49:16punishments , I don't remember them by
49:18heart right now , but they get more
49:20severe as time goes on , right ? The
49:23rules are being implemented little by
49:25little , right ? And this issue of Série
49:28B , Dalpisol , well , if we are in Série
49:30B , it's obvious that the payroll has to
49:31be much smaller , because the revenue
49:33will be much lower , right ? Just from
49:36television , you drop from 150 to 25 .
49:39Does it make much of a difference if ,
49:41for example , Grêmio goes down with
49:42Inter ?
49:44>> Ah , whoever thinks about being Inter's
49:46president , being an Inter manager ,
49:48shouldn't think about that , right ? We
49:50have to think about Inter . Now , of
49:52course , right ? I'm not going to be a
49:53hypocrite . For the fan , it's obvious it
49:55changes , right ? Because of the banter
49:57and such , but regarding the club , the
49:59club's management , it doesn't change .
50:01We have to think about Inter ,
50:03regardless of our opponent .
50:04>> Juventude has a payroll that doesn't
50:07reach 4 million and is leading Série
50:09B. There is no need for it . It's
50:12obvious that I'm not comparing
50:13Internacional to Juventude . I'm
50:15comparing the requirements of each
50:17competition , the technical level of
50:19each competition , right ? There must be ,
50:23and certainly are , Serie B clubs
50:25spending more than Juventude that will
50:26be watching Juventude get promoted .
50:29Good , good comparison , Vinici , even to
50:31pick up on the point made by Dr.
50:32Leonardo Aquino , a candidate for
50:34Inter's presidency , with whom we are
50:36speaking . Uh , spending cap is the
50:39average of the last 6 months . It’s
50:42said that Inter's payroll would be 14
50:44million . 14 million is reasonable . And
50:47is it possible to do it with six , let's
50:50say , since Juventude does it with four
50:52in the second division ?
50:54>> Is it possible to do it ? Is there a way
50:56? There is . Now , a point I put to you
51:00is the following : without wanting to
51:02disparage Juventude , it's nothing
51:04against Juventude , but the level of
51:06pressure at Internacional in a Serie B
51:09and the level of pressure at Juventude ,
51:12>> right ? Given what players with longer
51:14contracts at Inter earn , there's no way
51:16to adapt to Juventude's payroll . Then
51:19the club , the club will have to hustle ,
51:23>> will have to look for deals for some
51:24players , there will be no other choice ,
51:26because
51:27>> unfortunately , it is a question of
51:30financial reality . 1 plus 1 is two , it
51:33will never be five . So , I think the
51:36pressure at Inter is very different
51:38from the pressure at Juventude , but
51:40even with pressure , if it’s a
51:42catastrophic scenario , like a Serie B
51:44scenario , the club will have no
51:46alternative . It will have to reduce the
51:49payroll drastically , even just to be
51:51able to pay on time , right ? Even to be
51:54able to be responsible with its
51:56obligations . The club needs to recover
51:57its credibility in the market , right ?
52:00Inter can no longer be seen as a club
52:02that signs players and doesn't pay ,
52:04because soon you'll be competing for a
52:06signing and the agent , the player , or
52:08the club itself will say : " No , we won't
52:10negotiate with Inter . "
52:13>> But regarding Serie B , if that happens ,
52:15it applies to Internacional and Grêmio
52:17too , but we are talking about Inter . It
52:21is also true that a club of
52:24Internacional's stature enters the
52:26market with a much bigger advantage ,
52:29because the player who is
52:32>> or just just a just a parenthesis . Yes ,
52:34I understand what you’re about to say
52:35.
52:36>> The player who wants to come ,
52:37>> should I play for Náutico or for Inter
52:38? No , I'll play for Inter .
52:39>> No , that's fine , that's fine . But there
52:41is also this : when Inter comes to want
52:44to sign a player , ah , exactly ,
52:46>> no , but then the price is different .
52:48>> even if it's a Série B player . Of
52:51course , logically , the payroll for
52:53Inter or Grêmio or Vasco or Santos , if
52:56they are in Série B , it will be higher
52:58than everyone else's . But it doesn't
53:02need to be as high as , for example ,
53:04sorry for the comparison , but I have to
53:06say , like Grêmio's was in '21 .
53:09>> Yes . Like Inter's was in '17 .
53:11>> Exactly . It doesn't need to be that
53:13exaggerated .
53:13>> No , it really doesn't . It doesn't need
53:15to be , right ? It doesn't need to . It
53:16doesn't need to and it can't be . It
53:18cannot be . Exactly . It's a matter of
53:20not being able to , of having no way to
53:22pay , because people sometimes have a
53:25view like , it seems clubs have infinite
53:27money ,
53:27>> of course .
53:28>> And they don't , and they don't , so they
53:30have to meet their obligations .
53:32>> And I think , uh , the main point is
53:35>> you have to pay on time . You have to
53:37pay on time to be able to demand , to be
53:38able to
53:39>> Leonardo Aquino , why vote for Leonardo
53:41Aquino ? If you were an Internacional
53:44fan , you'd say : " I'm voting for him
53:46because he does this , this , that , and
53:47that other thing . " The main points of
53:51your campaign that you will carry as a
53:54dogma for the election and for after
53:56the election .
53:58>> Well , first , I consider that I don't
54:01have the vices of the administrations
54:04that led the club to total failure ,
54:06right ? led the club to a financial
54:11situation , because I often hear : " Oh ,
54:13Leonardo isn't experienced , Leonardo
54:16hasn't held an executive position at
54:18the club , " everyone is going to make
54:20mistakes , okay ? Everyone is going to
54:23make mistakes . I've even joked about
54:26this with a friend , the day I make my
54:29first mistake , I'm sure they'll say : "
54:32There you go , he's just a kid , he's too
54:35young , "
54:36>> he didn't have experience . had
54:38experience , made a mistake . Now , it's
54:40been 15 years that Internacional has
54:43been in a total slump , uh , hasn't won
54:46anything , went to Série B , okay ? a
54:51horrible financial situation and we've
54:53only had experienced directors in
54:56soccer and in the presidency , only
54:59experienced directors . If we had had a
55:03young president during this time , or
55:05one who hadn't held an executive
55:07position , they would certainly be
55:09saying that Inter is in this situation
55:12because they put an inexperienced
55:14person in the presidency . So , for me ,
55:17this talk about inexperience , deep down
55:19, I consider it an advantage .
55:21>> Exactly . Yeah , that's also a certain
55:24prejudice .
55:24>> Yeah , it's an advantage .
55:26>> Although Alessandro , although
55:27Alessandro emerged in a meteoric way .
55:30>> No , I don't agree with you .
55:31>> Because he was in administration , but
55:33it was for a short time and football
55:34was already aimed at the presidency .
55:36>> No , no , no . And and like , undeniably no
55:39. He was vice president of
55:41administration , vice president of
55:43finance , and vice president of football
55:45. for for 4 years . In other words , if
55:50there is one thing Alessandro Barcelos
55:52was not , it was inexperienced . He was
55:55extremely experienced . And , by the way ,
55:58I even heard you speaking here , eh , and
56:00I think you have every right , as a
56:02journalist , it's all fine to say that I
56:04haven't been inside the club , that my
56:05father was , and so on . But when , but
56:08when my father eh ran for president ,
56:10they said the same thing about him .
56:13>> I think it is an injustice to the
56:15>> president that he didn't have
56:16experience in football , that he wasn't
56:18experienced and so on . He only managed
56:21a budget of two or three billion , which
56:23is that of the Court of Justice , right ?
56:27So , I have several experienced , honest ,
56:30intelligent people who have already
56:32managed things . My father managed the
56:35Court of Justice , it's obvious .
56:37Sometimes they ask me : " Oh , what
56:38position will your father have ? " " He
56:40doesn't need to have a position , he's
56:41my father , he will help me daily . "
56:43>> And that he shouldn't help me , right ?
56:45>> Yeah , no , he he passes by my office
56:47door , opens it and says : " We want a
56:49team . " Yeah , so , Ricardo Breier was the
56:53president of the OAB , Eduardo Husen has
56:55experience in football , so , but he
56:57won't be in football , because if he is
56:59a vice president , he doesn't
57:00automatically
57:01>> no , but he will be on the management
57:04board and will monitor football , it
57:06will be under his tutelage , under his
57:08portfolio , the portfolio , one of the
57:10portfolios he will take care of , will
57:12observe is football , right ? So , I will
57:15have experienced people by my side and
57:17I am a young person . I am a young man
57:19who follows football , I have
57:21forward-thinking ideas , I follow it a
57:23lot , I study , I took courses , and I
57:25think I have I think no , I have , Mano
57:27Chames told me this , okay ? I have , I
57:29have a linguistic habit of saying " I
57:31think " . And he said : " Don't say ' I
57:33think ' anymore . " " I believe . " I am sure
57:35that I am sure that I believe .
57:38>> So I am going to implement a football
57:40policy totally different from what has
57:42been done in the last 15 years . I think
57:45that me having to explain that I am
57:48inexperienced , okay , I have to explain
57:50it , but the others have to explain how
57:52they will do things differently than
57:54they did before . Because if they do the
57:57same as they have already done , the
57:59club will end up breaking completely ,
58:01the club will end up reaching an
58:03unsustainable financial situation and
58:05will continue a cycle of defeats that
58:07is no longer possible for Internacional
58:10. So , I study , I follow along , I am
58:13surrounded by experienced people , I am
58:16surrounded by people who have managed
58:18very high budgets and I am sure that we
58:21will do things differently and that we
58:24will have a policy that will lead us .
58:28Perhaps at first we will have a little
58:29difficulty due to the club's financial
58:31situation and the issue of the Anrest
58:33oversight . We will have to be very
58:35creative in the market to
58:37>> there's no money in the safe
58:38>> to build a competitive team . Now , uh , I
58:41am sure that at the end of the 3 years
58:44we will deliver a much better club than
58:46the one we received .
58:48>> I mean , do you think it's Leonardo
58:50Aquilino and one more ?
58:52>> Of course , all three of them think that
58:54.
58:54>> We will be in the courtyard . Well , but
58:56then on the 9th you
58:58>> on the 9th you will have the answer .
59:01>> How has your work been with the
59:02organized fan groups ? organized groups ,
59:05are they vote drivers or were they more
59:08so in the past ?
59:11>> Look , Reque , I think the organized fan
59:13groups are part of the club , they are
59:14fans , right ? They have to be respected
59:19and we have to dialogue with them with
59:21the utmost tranquility , expose our
59:23proposals , and also talk about what we
59:25intend to do regarding the organized
59:27fan groups . I think they have their
59:31importance , but just like any other
59:34member , right ? All members have the
59:37same importance , everyone decides the
59:39future of the club and it's a matter of
59:42respect , respect and a frank , open ,
59:44transparent relationship . I want , as I
59:48said before , here at the beginning of
59:49the program , the support of all the
59:50colorados and with them it won't be any
59:51different .