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"EU VIVO O INTER DE FORMA INTENSA" | SABATINA DE LEONARDO AQUINO, CANDIDATO À PRESIDÊNCIA DO INTER

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0:00I’ve been a club board member for 10

0:02years , you know ? I joined in 2017 ,

0:05actually in the December 2016 election ,

0:08but I’ve been following Internacional

0:11since I was very young , you know ? Uh ,

0:15everyone knows , my father was , as you

0:17said , his resume , he was the Inter

0:19board president and my father was a

0:22board member , he’s been a board

0:24member since 1991 , okay ? Uh , he joined

0:28the Deliberative Council . At that time ,

0:30there were no elections for the council

0:32, right ? It was by invitation , it was

0:35by nomination . And my father

0:38participated in Inter’s defense , in

0:40the Simão case , right , in the 1991

0:42Gaucho Championship , if my memory

0:44serves me right .

0:45>> We spent the morning at the courthouse

0:47covering it , and a fight almost broke

0:49out among the press , just to give you

0:51an idea of how " light " that was .

0:53>> I remember well that it was your father

0:54who made the defense .

0:55>> Exactly . No , he helped , right ? Because

0:57actually , since he was a magistrate , he

1:00couldn't sign the defense , but he

1:01helped as a Colorado , he helped draft

1:03the minutes of the arguments , he helped

1:06make the defense , right ? And that's

1:10when he was invited to become a board

1:11member , he joined the council , and

1:12later within the council , he was one of

1:14those who fought for direct elections ,

1:16right ? And proportional ones . When

1:20there's an election and there's a lot

1:23of confusion , he says " I helped , I

1:25helped install this situation . " Anyway ,

1:28just joking , right ? Obviously , he is in

1:30favor of direct elections , right ? But

1:31anyway . Uh , so since that time I’ve

1:34been following Inter's politics , right ?

1:37I would go to the meetings of the

1:39movements with him , of the Independent

1:41Colorado Action , of the Interaction . Uh

1:44, so , I’ve lived Inter intensely and

1:47in a politicized way , let’s say ,

1:49since I was a child , right ? So , I was

1:53already used to this political matter .

1:55I’ve already been a board member for

1:5810 years , but it's true , right , that

1:59it’s sometimes pointed out as a

2:01critical point regarding me : that I

2:03haven’t held executive positions . But

2:06I understand that this is actually a

2:09handicap , right ? It’s something

2:11favorable , because the situation Inter

2:14is in , which is a very difficult

2:16situation , of extreme financial gravity

2:19and a drought of victories on the field

2:22, as well .

2:22>> There is a lot of vice in the process .

2:24It’s not from now , right ? It’s not

2:26from now . It’s been this way for a

2:28long time , right ? I understand that

2:31it's , well , clearly , these last six

2:33years under this board were bad , but

2:35this bad situation has been going on

2:37for a while . And let's also remember

2:40that this board is a continuation of

2:42the previous one , right ? Because

2:45Alessandro Barcelos , who is the current

2:47president , was the vice president of

2:49finance , administration , and soccer

2:51under Marcelo Medeiros . So , this

2:54delicate situation at Inter has been

2:56going on for about 15 years now , which

2:58is how long Inter hasn't won any titles

2:59and also how long this financial

3:01situation has just been worsening and

3:02deteriorating , right ? So , I believe

3:06it's time for change , right ? It's a

3:09moment of , it's a moment of renewal , a

3:12moment for fresh air . I will look to

3:15surround myself , I will look to — no , I

3:16am already surrounding myself with

3:17experienced people . Eduardo Husen was

3:19the director of soccer in 2013 , so he

3:21has experience with Inter's soccer

3:23operations . Ricardo Breer has

3:25management experience and was the

3:26president of the Bar Association . Diogo

3:30Beer is an excellent communicator , a

3:32director at Fiergs , a businessman , in

3:35short , he has a widely recognized

3:38management capacity , was a good

3:40parliamentarian , and Macena also has a

3:43history of work in the private ,

3:45corporate world . So , I believe we have

3:49put together a good ticket that blends

3:51people who complement each other , right

3:52? And I think we can , yes , and I have

3:56— I think , no , I am sure that we can

3:59manage well and restore the club's

4:01credibility , especially because I

4:03believe Inter's destiny cannot be left

4:06in the hands of luck or chance , right ?

4:10We can't think that simply by fate , the

4:14club's destiny will return to being a

4:17winning one . It's a matter of hard work

4:20, right ? It's a matter of time , it's a

4:23matter of reorganization for the club

4:25to return to having success , right ? No ,

4:27it won't be overnight and it won't be

4:30easy , right ? Anyone selling an easy

4:32solution , I think , is selling a dream

4:35to the fans . It's not like that . It

4:38also doesn't mean that the first year

4:40of management will be a bad year . I'm

4:43not saying that , I'm just saying that

4:45we will have to reorganize the club so

4:46that , with a lot of hard work , it gets

4:48back on the tracks of success and

4:50victory .

4:52>> Well , you are , welcome , candidate . Ah ,

4:56we always try , more or less , to see who

4:58is more opposition or less opposition ,

5:00if such a thing even exists , right ?

5:02Politically , they talk about the "

5:04centrão " or the political center . To

5:06reach an agreement with so many

5:08movements at Inter , is it possible or

5:10imaginable to make some connections

5:12like this and even count on people from

5:15this administration , for example , eh ,

5:17Macena , right , he is one from the

5:19current president's administration .

5:22>> No , actually he is not from the current

5:23administration , he participated in the

5:24first one .

5:25>> In the first one . That's it .

5:26>> That's it . Look , Dal Pizol , eh , I

5:29usually say the following , 71 % of the

5:31members voted for Vitório Pífero ,

5:33okay ? Eh , I don't remember how many

5:37councilors , but it was around 150 who

5:38voted for Pífero , okay ? Eh , I want the

5:41votes of those who voted for Pífero . I

5:44want the votes of the members who voted

5:46for Medeiros , I want the votes of the

5:48members who voted for Barcelos . I want

5:51the votes , I want the votes and the

5:52support . Support , we want support from

5:56all Colorados , right ? This issue of us

5:59constantly condemning everyone who

6:01voted for A or who voted for B , if we

6:03go down that path , then no one is left

6:05to participate in the club's politics ,

6:07nor for us to ask for votes , right ?

6:10>> And even because , right now , he does

6:11have good vice presidents , there are

6:13some who are very good , right ? Well

6:14then , I believe like this , look , eh ,

6:17Dal Pizol , this issue of us hunting

6:19down who supported A or who supported B

6:21, that is sometimes a lot of social

6:24media talk , that's how I see it , okay ?

6:27Because , eh , the Management Council

6:29ticket , my ticket , is out there .

6:32Whoever wants to analyze the ticket ,

6:34the five are there , the ticket is

6:35already registered . So , if we want to

6:39analyze the ticket to see if it is , if

6:41we go down that path of , oh , is it

6:43opposition or not , look at the ticket ,

6:45look at the five and tell me which of

6:47these five has participated in these

6:49last two administrations . You mentioned

6:53counselor Macena , I am very proud that

6:55he is on my ticket , he is a great

6:56Colorado ,

6:57>> he is a decent person , he is a

6:59hardworking guy , he is a guy who is

7:01dedicated to the club . I was a

7:03classmate of Macena's daughter in

7:05school . He is a , she was

7:07>> she was a , she was a great Colorado . So

7:10, this issue of us chasing after who

7:12supported Barcelos or who supported

7:14Pífero , that is normal . That happens

7:17in elections , right ? Everyone has

7:19already voted for someone . And if

7:22that's the case , the MIG , the MIG was

7:25an ally of Barcelos .

7:26>> Uh-huh .

7:27>> Before Barcelos became president .

7:29Barcellos became president because he

7:31was the MIG vice-president of finance ,

7:33administration , and soccer . Amarante

7:35says he is unlucky . Do you agree ,

7:37Marcelo ?

7:38>> Well , I won't go down the road of bad

7:40luck because , well , luck and bad luck

7:42exist , even though the game against

7:43Corinthians shows that we were very ,

7:45very lucky , right ? But luck and bad

7:48luck do exist and happen , but I don't

7:50believe in solid and consistent results

7:53based only on luck or bad luck , right ?

7:55You have to have competence . Eventually

7:58in one game , in one match , you have

7:59luck or bad luck . So , regarding this

8:03composition issue , we tried to create a

8:06ticket of change , renewal , and fresh

8:09air . And I think the ticket shows that .

8:11>> How many groups are there , sorry , can I

8:13add one more ? How many groups support

8:16you in this ? How many are there at

8:17Inter , anyway ? 20 .

8:19>> There are almost 20 groups , actually ,

8:20you know . On this Management Board

8:23ticket , for example , the criteria were

8:25very technical , okay ? Uh-huh .

8:26>> Because Ricardo Breier , he was from MIG

8:29and he is on my ticket .

8:31>> I didn't remember that .

8:32>> That's right . He was from MIG . But why

8:33is he on the ticket ? Because he is

8:36undeniably a person of impeccable

8:38conduct , a guy who was president of the

8:40Bar Association , very upright ,

8:42competent , an excellent lawyer , and an

8:44excellent manager with management

8:46experience , right ? So , this issue of

8:49political movements was left aside a

8:52bit when building the ticket , so we

8:55could prioritize resumes and prioritize

8:58change in the club . Especially because

9:01I understand it's useless for me to win

9:04the election only to keep doing the

9:06same things that have been done , with

9:08the same practices , because that way we

9:11won't be able to change the club's

9:13destiny and future .

9:15>> Vinicius ,

9:16>> Good morning , Dr. Leonardo , and

9:19regarding the idea of the presidency

9:21and the idea of soccer , which is the

9:24driving force , right , that moves

9:26Internacional and all soccer clubs , but

9:29especially Internacional . My point is

9:32as follows : I have really hammered the

9:35issue of professionalization and the

9:37end of amateurs running soccer . I think

9:40soccer involves too much money to put

9:42in the hands of amateurs ; it must be in

9:45the hands of professionals , people who

9:47are prepared and know the market . And I

9:51have talked a lot about the excessive

9:53amounts paid to players who come here ,

9:56regardless of whether they are foreign

9:58or not , but especially foreigners , many

10:01have been coming here and not

10:03delivering results . it only further

10:07burdens the club's finances . A club

10:12with a debt of over 1 billion . My

10:16question for you is the following : what

10:18is your idea regarding football

10:20management ? Uh , professionalism ? Is it

10:26to continue with a model based on

10:28political leadership ? uh to move toward

10:32using more youth players , scouting more

10:35in the domestic market , lowering

10:38football costs a bit , and , anyway , what

10:41is your idea about the management of

10:44the football department , which is the

10:47cornerstone of Internacional ? Good

10:50morning , Sinote . Thank you for the

10:52question , Sinote . Uh , I think there is

10:54no more room for football to be managed

10:57by politicians . Managed , I mean ,

10:59obviously , we are in an association

11:02club , a management council , it manages ,

11:04right ? Now , this issue of running

11:07football in the sense of running the

11:09day-to-day operations , in the sense of ,

11:11for example , mapping the market , this

11:13has to be extremely professional , right

11:15? As much as Aquino follows football ,

11:18knows players , Aquino is not a football

11:21professional ; he is a lawyer who likes

11:23football , who loves Inter , who follows

11:26football . But the role of the

11:28politician must be to establish a plan ,

11:31a plan for the football department , a

11:33plan that we have to follow , especially

11:35because now Internacional has filed a

11:37request for installment payments , a

11:39collective payment plan at the National

11:42Chamber of Dispute Resolution , right ?

11:45So , the club is obligated

11:47>> 31 million ,

11:48>> the club is obligated to follow the

11:52CNRD rules , right ? In other words , what

11:55does this mean ? From article 79 to

11:56article 86 , I have already been

11:58studying it , okay ? Uh , the club will

12:01not be able to spend more than what it

12:03will collect in the same window , in the

12:05transfer window , okay ? This is

12:08oversight that it establishes over the

12:11clubs . Because if the club requests a

12:15collective payment plan , a collective

12:18installment plan , it means it is in a

12:21state of insolvency for the CNRD . So ,

12:24if it is in a state of insolvency , it

12:26must follow these rules to demonstrate

12:29that it really wants to pay the debts

12:31and not that it is just kicking the can

12:33down the road to not pay later , right ?

12:36Because this happens a lot in football

12:37clubs , it used to happen , right ? And it

12:39still happens , and the rest has this

12:41rule to avoid this , so that you pay in

12:43installments so you can spend and then

12:46it's the next management's problem ,

12:48right ? So , and this is a rigid rule

12:50that the club will have to follow ,

12:51because it has already requested this

12:53collective payment plan . So , with that

12:56said , we will have to be creative in

12:58the market , we will have to be

13:00responsible , and more than ever , we

13:02will have to bet on young players —

13:04both by signing young talent with

13:06resale potential and by promoting

13:08athletes from our youth academy to the

13:10first team . Inter , for example , is

13:13having a poor performance in the

13:15Brazilian Championship , right ? Even

13:17though we had a recent win against

13:19Corinthians , Inter's performance is

13:20undeniably poor . So , there are some

13:23players with a high or above-average

13:26cost who we know that , perhaps if we

13:28were betting on lower-cost players or

13:31young ones with development potential ,

13:34they could perform as well as or better

13:37than these players who are

13:39underperforming , right ? So , I really

13:43bet on the professionalization of the

13:45department , in the sense of having a

13:47sports intelligence director who will

13:50oversee the entire market area , the

13:52entire performance analysis area ,

13:54research and development , and the use

13:56of artificial intelligence software

13:58tools for market mapping and signing

14:01athletes ; because Inter will have to be

14:03creative and won't be able to spend on

14:05signing expensive players or signing

14:08older players with high costs . There's

14:10no way to do that , right ? I'm not

14:13saying that if Aquino takes over , Inter

14:15won't sign a 30 - year-old player . No ,

14:17that's not it . But I am saying that

14:20betting on expensive signings of

14:22athletes you won't be able to resell ,

14:24or expensive signings that violate the

14:26rules of the financial regulators

14:28overseeing the club , will lead to

14:30punishments against Inter and create an

14:33unsustainable financial situation ,

14:35which is what we already have , right ?

14:38We have to prioritize paying salaries

14:40on time , we have to prioritize paying

14:42image rights on time , even so you can

14:43demand from the athletes the level of

14:45professionalism that football requires

14:47today . We look at the best players in

14:51the world , Cristiano Ronaldo , Haaland ,

14:54they take such care of their bodies and

14:57their daily routines , their sleep ,

15:00their diet , that imagine , if those

15:02players have that kind of care , our

15:05players with our investment power —

15:08since we won't be able to sign

15:10superstar , established players — we

15:13have to demand that kind of commitment

15:15from them . And to be able to establish

15:19a rigid rule and strong accountability ,

15:21you have to keep payments up to date .

15:24So , that would be , in short , my idea

15:27for football .

15:29>> Inter today has , to conclude , Inter

15:31today has two realities .

15:33>> Yes ,

15:33>> right ? The point that we are all

15:36rooting for , right , to happen not just

15:38for Inter , but for football in Rio

15:40Grande do Sul , and especially

15:42Internacional , which is the hot topic ,

15:44is staying in the first division , in

15:46Série A. Yes .

15:47>> Or the reality that no one wants , being

15:49relegated to Série B. Do you have a

15:51plan A and a plan B ?

15:53>> Of course , we have to have a plan A and

15:56a plan B. That is mandatory , because

15:58unfortunately it can even be a bit

16:00unpleasant to talk about it , right ? But

16:02we have to talk about it because it is

16:04the situation , right ? Inter , and if I

16:06come here and say it's obvious that

16:08Inter will be in the first division

16:10next year , I'm being

16:13>> purely a fan , right ? CL ,

16:15>> it's what I want , but today the

16:16situation is precarious . So , we must ,

16:19yes , have a plan for Série A and a

16:22plan for Série B , although I am

16:24confident due to the victory now

16:27against Corinthians , because I believe

16:30that this put Inter back in the fight ,

16:33right ? Inter was , before the game with

16:36Chapecoense and before the game with

16:38Corinthians , in a situation where even

16:41if they won a match , it still wasn't

16:44enough to get out . Now Internacional

16:47has caught up to Corinthians itself ,

16:49it's right there , uh breathing down the

16:54necks of some , right ? So , I think it

16:56boosted spirits , I felt the team's

16:58morale was better . Although , analyzing

17:02the game coldly , I was quite worried

17:05because Corinthians missed countless

17:07opportunities , right ? But , in the

17:10situation Inter finds itself in , the

17:12main thing was to win , right ? The main

17:15thing was to win to try to regain

17:17confidence and try to establish a new

17:20reality , a new spirit , right ? I think

17:25the Grenal is decisive , truly decisive ,

17:29because if we win , then yes , I believe

17:32it begins to solidify a comeback and we

17:35even pull away from Grêmio itself ,

17:38right ? pull away from Grêmio itself .

17:41Today we are one point ahead of Grêmio

17:43. But so yes , we have to work with both

17:47scenarios , even for the sake of , uh ,

17:49mapping , like , for the board , it's more

17:52or less mapped out already . Oh , this

17:55matter of who will handle the market

17:57area , I already have a I'm already

17:59talking to a professional . Now , about

18:02the director of football , which would

18:05be for disciplinary matters , and the

18:07technical director , the idea isn't that

18:09I don't want to keep Abel Braga , who is

18:12an experienced professional who knows

18:14football and knows the club , right ? But

18:18I haven't spoken to him yet because I

18:20think he needs to be focused on Inter's

18:22day-to-day , on getting the team out of

18:24this situation , right ? So I will do

18:27that after the championship . The

18:29championship ends on the 2nd and the

18:31election only happens on the 12th ,

18:33right ? So , answering objectively , yes ,

18:37we have to be realistic and keep an eye

18:39on Serie A or Serie B.

18:41>> Well , especially because the budgets

18:42will be different , right ? Exactly .

18:45>> Leonardo Aquino , candidate for

18:46president of Internacional , whom we are

18:49talking to here at the Corner of

18:51Communication , on Ipiranga at the

18:53corner of João Pessoa . You : by having

18:58less , let's say , ties or fewer

19:00partnerships with prominent figures

19:03from the past — prominent , I mean ,

19:05those almost always present in the

19:08political life of Internacional , like

19:11Marcelo Medeiros , Giovanni Luigi ,

19:13Fernando Carvalho — you are now closer

19:16to president Fernando Miranda , or did

19:19Miranda approach you because of your

19:21way of thinking , I don't know . Is it

19:25good or bad not to be close to these

19:29prominent figures from the past ? Look ,

19:34Heck , that has its pros and cons , right

19:37? I think that since the Colorado fan

19:41is thirsty for change , right ? Uh , I

19:47think on one hand it's positive ,

19:49because there are fans who have a

19:51mindset of " enough , enough of the same

19:53old thing , " right ? Enough of always

19:57chasing our own tails , right ? Uh ,

20:00moving from Medeiros , from Melo , to

20:03Barcelos , then back to Melo . Uh , it's

20:07more or less staying with the same

20:09people , right ? Always keeping the same

20:11ones rotating in power . Now , there is

20:15also the fact that many are a reference

20:18, right ? Not all , but many are a

20:21positive reference . So , the side of

20:23having a positive reference is also

20:26good , right ? So , it has its pros and

20:29cons , right ? I consider the support of

20:32president Fernando Miranda , I was very

20:34happy , I was very honored . To me , he

20:36was a president who put Inter on the

20:39right track , put Inter on the path to

20:42victory , because I think those — I

20:44think , no , I'm sure — that those Inter

20:47victories in 2005 , 2006 , right ? I

20:50consider 2005 , because Inter was the

20:52champion in 2005 , the title was stolen

20:55from Inter , and 2006 , all those Inter

20:57achievements were there , right ? They

21:00didn't start in 2006 , 2005 . That was

21:02the result of a process , because Inter

21:04was the club that best adapted to the

21:06Pelé Law , right ? Inter adapted very

21:09well to the Pelé Law , developed

21:11players , didn't lose players . We saw

21:13there that Grêmio , for example ,

21:15suffered that blow of having lost

21:17Ronaldinho for free to PSG . So I think

21:20that now we are living through a

21:22similar moment . We have to reorganize

21:26the club , rebalance the club , prepare

21:28the club for these oversight rules from

21:31the ANRESF , not being able to spend

21:33more than what is permitted by law , by

21:35oversight , and to have creative

21:37transfer windows . Because I keep

21:43thinking , right ? In 2017 , Internacional

21:47played in Série B and in that Série B

21:52, Inter , if my memory serves me right ,

21:55and you can check this because you're a

21:58whiz at these numbers and

22:00>> Let's see , maybe I'll even remember .

22:02>> That was the most expensive team in the

22:05history of Série B , okay ? Or if it

22:08wasn't the most expensive , it was one

22:09of them .

22:11>> Inter signed Potker , Internacional

22:13signed Camilo , Internacional signed

22:15Leandro Damião , Internacional signed

22:17Edenilson , Internacional signed Cuesta .

22:20>> Indeed . And at this and in this moment ,

22:23we hope that doesn't happen , right ? We

22:26hope that Internacional ,

22:28>> Wend was a fullback too .

22:30>> We hope that Internacional doesn't play

22:32in Série B next year , but

22:34Internacional won't be able to make

22:35that kind of investment even in Série

22:37A next year . There are the investors ,

22:41>> these , uh , just let me finish . Uh , so

22:44Internacional won't be able to make

22:46that kind of investment next year , even

22:48if they stay in the first division . Uh ,

22:51for , by reason of , I just talked about

22:53the ANRESF oversight , Inter will have

22:56to follow a responsible transfer window

22:58, right ? They won't be able to , uh ,

23:01promote that kind of spending spree

23:03that Internacional did between 2017 ,

23:062018 , 2019 , they spent I think around

23:09100 , 150 million . No , I don't remember ,

23:11okay ? Now , but I will look at the

23:12balance sheet to give an accurate

23:14number .

23:14>> Updating it , it's almost 500

23:16>> just in just in buying buying players .

23:20I'm not even talking about salaries ,

23:22I'm talking about buying players , right

23:24? So Inter will have to be very

23:27creative in the market . So , the

23:30so-called player signing experiment

23:32that was done in the recent past cannot

23:35be done now . There is no way to repeat

23:38what was done in the last 15 years , 10 ,

23:4115 years , for now . There is no way .

23:43There is no way because of the law . We

23:45are talking about the oversight rules

23:47that will be imposed on the club .

23:50Regarding the issue of the investors ,

23:52uh , from PISOL .

23:53>> Exactly . They don't give anything for

23:54free . We were talking off-air , there's

23:56a return , but sometimes you have to eat

23:58out of their hands , pardon the

23:59expression .

24:00>> No , you don't , no , you don't have to

24:01eat out of their hands and you can't

24:03eat out of their hands .

24:04>> But in the name of desperation

24:06>> because , uh , PSOL might , but by the

24:09rule , by the CBF rule , you can't . If

24:13the next president arrives in January

24:15and wants to sign Gabigol , because

24:17Inter has to think big , paying millions

24:19to Santos . Let's give an example here .

24:22I said it because I saw Gabigol falling

24:23in the box there , drawing a penalty . Uh

24:25, it's not allowed , it's not allowed .

24:28It doesn't matter , because the rule

24:30determines that the club cannot spend

24:32more than it earned from selling

24:34athletes , unless it sells an athlete

24:36for 30 , 40 , 50 million more than what

24:38it will pay to sign someone . And this

24:42signing , if done by an investor , if it

24:44isn't a gift to the club , if it's

24:46something the investor bought and will

24:48later charge for , it will turn into

24:50debt . And then later the club starts

24:53having its accounts blocked , and

24:54there's 60 million frozen in the club's

24:56account . And do you think this is the

24:59policy Inter needs for the coming years

25:01?

25:01>> It's just that it's desperate sometimes

25:03, right ? You , for example , they

25:05criticize very quickly , they criticize

25:07President Alberto Guerra because he

25:10spent , I would have done the same thing

25:12, the desperation of going , of falling

25:14to the second division . I was referring

25:17to

25:17>> Yeah , I won't talk about Alberto Guerra

25:19because I'm not a Gremio fan , I'm a

25:20Colorado , thank God , but I think like

25:22this , uh , and thank God it's thanks to

25:24my father , right , that

25:27>> My father , my grandfather , but , but ...

25:29Anyway , people , I wouldn't do the same ,

25:31I wouldn't do it like that , because I

25:33believe this is what leads the club to

25:35a situation of bankruptcy , this is what

25:37leads the club to a situation of

25:39insolvency , this is what leads the club

25:41to then be unable to invest in signing

25:43players . Sure , I understand that if

25:47you're in a situation where you're

25:49heading toward the relegation zone , you

25:51have to find some solution to fill your

25:53roster so you don't go down . That is

25:55obvious , right ? Now , you spending , like

25:59Inter spent in the recent past , all

26:01those signings that REC mentioned here

26:03that we talked about , it’s not about

26:05whether I want to or not , you won’t

26:08be able to do that , because Inter won't

26:10be able to spend more than what it

26:12collects from player sales in the same

26:15window . That is a rule . This is no

26:18longer even a matter of wanting to or

26:20not , it’s a rule . So Inter will have

26:22to follow this rule . So it's no use if

26:25an investor comes and says they will

26:27sign a player for Inter and will sign a

26:29Messi and it will cost 500 million ,

26:31only if Internacional sells 600 in the

26:33same window .

26:35>> Sure ,

26:35>> it’s a rule . The president is labeled

26:38a " soccer president , " president

26:39Alessandro takes heat , including from

26:41people in the current board . The

26:45president , because he has to be on top

26:46of things , and that’s right , is he in

26:48the locker room , or is it better the

26:50less he shows up in the locker room ?

26:54The president has to go to the locker

26:57room , especially because if he doesn't ,

27:00it will give a feeling of abandonment ,

27:03that he isn't there , that he is , well ,

27:05the players also want to see that the

27:08president is present and that he is

27:10following along and that he is there ,

27:13that he is , anyway , I think the

27:15president has to be present . Now , the

27:20president has to have a presidential

27:22stance , right ? Eh , I’ve even

27:26discussed this several times with

27:27Fernando Carvalho himself , I talked

27:29with Fernando Miranda , I talked —

27:30they're nagging me here that I have to

27:32face forward , it’s just that I like

27:33to look at whoever asked the question .

27:35Eh , and so , in the various

27:37conversations I’ve had , this was said

27:39to me . Look , the president has to be

27:41there , right ? The players have to see

27:43that the president is , eh , is there , is

27:45interested , is holding people

27:47accountable . They have to realize that

27:49the president is there , but the

27:50president has to have a presidential

27:52stance , he has to delegate , right ? I

27:53think the criticism made of Alessandro

27:55Barcellos is in the sense that he was

27:57too much of a one-man show , right ,

28:00>> it’s very much on his figure ; for

28:02example , now there is no vice president

28:03of soccer , the bylaws require there to

28:05be one , right ? But I don't think our

28:08problems necessarily stem from that .

28:11It's just that when things start going

28:13really wrong , people start criticizing

28:14everything , right ? Eh , I think the main

28:16problem is really the issue of squad

28:18building . I see that Inter has a team

28:21with a low average height . Inter scored

28:24one header goal in the entire Brazilian

28:26Championship , right ? And in a league

28:28that is even , that is balanced , this is

28:30fatal , because many games are decided

28:32this way , they are decided on set

28:34pieces , they are decided on goals , eh ,

28:38from aerial plays , right ? So , I think

28:41Inter's squad is unbalanced . Inter's

28:44squad is unbalanced . So , and also this

28:47issue of the executive directors , I

28:50think , eh , the executive directors

28:52there , I didn't really like the

28:55executive directors he hired , right ? I

28:58didn't like them . To me , I think one of

29:00the best professionals who was in

29:02Inter's football department was Paulo

29:04Torri , who is an experienced

29:05professional and knowledgeable about

29:07football , right ? I think on this point ,

29:11yes , we have to have knowledge and

29:13experience , which is the issue of the

29:16professionals . They are the ones who

29:19have to run the day-to-day , they are

29:21the ones who have to map the market and

29:23handle holding the coaching staff

29:26accountable . Eh , the whole point is

29:28that the professionals have to have a

29:31direction , they have to have a plan

29:33made by the board , by the management

29:35council , and they have to have a

29:38project , they have to have goals to

29:40reach , right ? Eh , and this is the

29:42president's role , this is the role of

29:44the politicians , and the politicians

29:48represent the fans , they represent the

29:50members , but this issue of the

29:51president's presence there , the

29:53president has to be there , but there

29:54has to be a balance , right ? He can't be

29:58there all the time , every moment , eh ,

30:00and , and , and not delegate , but he also

30:03can't be absent .

30:04>> Well , eh , about the funds that are

30:06being talked about so much , right ? I'm

30:08following São Paulo's situation . Did

30:13São Paulo make a bad deal or is

30:15football just like that , it has its

30:17tricks , and they had to change course ,

30:20sign more players , hire an expensive

30:22coach , and all those things . How do you

30:27partner with these funds ? Where are

30:31these funds that Internacional could

30:33look for money for immediate needs ,

30:35which will be , for example , the start

30:37of your term if you start , if you win

30:40the election in January , you'll need to

30:42come up with 100 million . Where does

30:46this more immediate money come from ?

30:49And knowing that , hopefully Inter stays

30:51in the first division , because if they

30:54go to the second division , there isn't

30:56even TV money to advance .

30:58>> There is , there is , but it's much

30:59smaller .

30:59>> It's much smaller . Yeah , that's it .

31:02What what can be done and how have you

31:04thought about this situation which will

31:06be of extreme urgency already in the

31:08month of December ?

31:10>> Look , I'll make a joke , okay ?

31:12>> Yeah ,

31:13>> there are some who get 100 million

31:16every day , right ? So there are some

31:19that can't .

31:20>> It used to be the million-dollar show ,

31:21now it's the 100 - million-dollar show .

31:23>> Yeah , so , by election day , I joked the

31:25other day in the group , Inter will

31:27already have their debt paid off , right

31:29? Inter won't have any more debts and

31:32will be and will be competing for the

31:34signing of Olise with Real Madrid ,

31:35right ? Because every three days there's

31:38news of 100 million . But joking aside ,

31:40right ? Now speaking seriously , yes ,

31:43there are these investment funds , but

31:45they demand rules . Okay ? They demand

31:49rules that the club follows so they can

31:51have the view that the club won't use

31:53the money to sign players , for example ,

31:55that the club will use the money to pay

31:57off liabilities , even so the fund gets

31:59a return . The fund wants to put money

32:02in to get a return . So no money is like

32:05that , nothing is free , right ? Nothing

32:07is free . So , the funds demand

32:10governance rules to be able to

32:12structure an operation where the fund

32:14goes and puts 100 , 200 , 250 million

32:17into the club . There's a grace period

32:20for the club to start paying back and ,

32:23then , the club the fund starts to

32:25receive a return , and always with

32:27governance rules . What do you mean by

32:30governance rules , for example , like

32:32these ANRESF rules , with a payroll

32:34spending cap , with a spending cap on

32:37transfer windows for

32:38>> But they are the ones who establish

32:40this ,

32:40>> aren't they ? Together with the club

32:42itself , right ?

32:43>> Yeah , even so ,

32:44>> it's together with the club itself .

32:47Because imagine , if you're an investor ,

32:49are you going to put 100 , 150 million

32:51into a club , if the club is going to

32:52take the money and go out and sign

32:54players ? No , I won't put my money in . I

32:57I am very careful with my money .

32:59>> Yeah , I I know I know about that . I've

33:01already heard about that , okay ?

33:03>> Actually , very much so . I've even heard

33:05it's too much .

33:06>> No , not that . That would be an investor

33:09.

33:09>> Yeah , that's it . Yeah , yeah . No , don't

33:10cry , don't cry . So what now ? So , here's

33:13the thing , Rec , the investor wants to

33:15see that you'll have responsible

33:17management so they can get a financial

33:18return , right ? It’s no use for the

33:21club , if you put another 200 million

33:23into the club for it to spend on

33:25signing players , you'll just end up

33:26breaking the club , because eventually

33:28the bill will come due , right ? So you

33:31can't do it like that . It has to be a

33:34responsible matter with governance

33:36rules . And that's how you structure an

33:38operation where you take the money and

33:40provide guarantees to the fund . One of

33:43them can be TV rights , another is the

33:46value of the advertising boards around

33:48the field , another could be revenue

33:50from player sales , right ? And depending

33:54on the guarantees you give the investor

33:56, you need authorization from the

33:58Deliberative Council .

34:01>> Venicius ,

34:03>> the idea for football , first of all , I

34:06think we should all only spend what we

34:09earn , football clubs , I already

34:12>> just to take your cue , Leonardo Aquino ,

34:15Dr. Leonardo Aquino , right ? Uh ,

34:18>> yeah , I even have the habit of calling

34:20him

34:21>> Aquino , right ? Yeah , no problem . No

34:24problem . We’ve had a relationship for

34:26some time now . But look , he already

34:29gave us news here today , he has already

34:31spoken to a professional who knows the

34:33market

34:35>> and later I want to know if it's a big

34:37name or if it will be a pleasant

34:38surprise . and he made a complimentary

34:41reference to Paulo Autuori with which I

34:43agree . But I think he needs to know

34:45what he wants . One minute he wants to

34:47be a coach , the next he doesn't . But I

34:50agree . He is a guy who knows a lot

34:52about football . He is a guy who is

34:53>> intelligent , level-headed .

34:55>> Autuori is a guy who , everything that

34:57is done or much of what is done today

34:59in football and treated as new , Autuori

35:02was already doing a long time ago .

35:04>> Yeah , he's very good . I've known him

35:05for a long time , but my idea is just

35:07the following , I have ,

35:08>> his great virtue is being my friend .

35:11>> Yeah , I have criticized a lot , Dr.

35:14Aquino , the issue of the player-signing

35:18craze and , look , the excess of players ,

35:22players of dubious origin , players who

35:25arrive there , I'll give two examples

35:29for

35:30>> Do you have something against Cape

35:33Verde , Croatia ? Yeah , no , look . And one

35:36example for each side so it doesn't get

35:38awkward , right ? Grêmio brought in this

35:42guy from

35:42>> He's going to talk about Borré , I

35:43already know .

35:44>> No , no , no . I'm going to talk about San

35:46>> Back on the pre-show he was always

35:47talking about Borré .

35:48>> No , for Borré I criticized the amounts

35:51involved , right ? He was a known player ,

35:54but

35:55>> Look , from what I'm hearing now , I'm

35:56already thinking Borré was cheap .

35:58>> Yeah , now , for example , Internacional

35:59brought in a player named Sanabria ,

36:02>> 800 ,

36:03>> and even signed a 3 - year contract with

36:06him , right ? An insufficient player . His

36:09resume says he is insufficient . So ,

36:12this model of football administration ,

36:14I am totally against it , I always have

36:16been . And I am a defender of scouting

36:21the domestic market more often . The two

36:25best signings for Grêmio and Porto

36:27Alegre football were in the second

36:29division . They are center-back Wallace

36:31and full-back Diego Caito . The two best

36:34signings for Grêmio were right there

36:36at CRB and Goiás . Can't we look a

36:39little bit more at the internal market ?

36:42Can't we do as well or better with

36:44players from the internal market or

36:46homegrown players ? Because they bring

36:50in real trash that doesn't play

36:51anything while paying a truckload of

36:53money . And the accumulation of this

36:56over time is what led both Grenal clubs

36:58to owe over 1 billion each . It's these

37:01errors over many years that accumulated

37:04a debt of 1 billion . I wanted to know

37:06what your idea is about this .

37:07>> What is the strategy ?

37:08>> Look , I agree with you , Se note . Eh ,

37:12from the point of view of expensive

37:15signings , okay ? From the point of view

37:18of spending , like you said , on trash ,

37:20right ? Eh , on that point I agree , right

37:23? Bringing in a player for a very high

37:26amount just because he is a foreigner ,

37:29I don't agree . Now I have to be sincere

37:31, because otherwise I get elected and

37:33then they will say I'm a liar . So , I

37:34prefer not to be a liar . I like to tell

37:36the truth . I am not going to tell you

37:38that I won't sign players from outside

37:40Brazil . That , that , I , that , no , that

37:43no . I will , if I have to sign , if it's

37:45mapped out , look , here we have a good

37:47player and such . The issue is financial

37:51responsibility and , of course , the

37:54athlete's ability to adapt to the club ,

37:56right ? Because , for example , uh uh

38:00Internacional has two African players .

38:02>> Uh-huh . Uh , one of them when he played ,

38:05the other one

38:07>> uh one of them when he played , Benjamim

38:09.

38:10>> I liked it , I thought he played well ,

38:12he seemed , seemed like a good player ,

38:14dynamic , uh , he distributed the ball .

38:17>> Are you going to get involved in the

38:18team lineup too ? No , of course not . Of

38:20course not . Of course not . And one of

38:22them , one of them I liked . Benjamim , I

38:24thought he was a dynamic player , a good

38:27player . Now , of course , right , the

38:30adaptation of an African player must be

38:33, intuitively , more complex than an

38:35Argentine or a Uruguayan , right ? Now ,

38:39that doesn't mean you can't have an

38:40African player . The point is , the point

38:43is multi-million dollar signings . Just

38:48because the player is famous or has a

38:49name or had one good season at a big

38:51South American club , that we must avoid

38:53, because that's what leads the club to

38:54a situation of debt , as you put it well

38:56.

38:57>> Sure .

38:58>> And I think this issue of scouting

39:00players in Série B or players who

39:02aren't that well known , I am in favor

39:04of that . I don't see any problem at all

39:06. Uh , I won't comment on the Grêmio

39:09issue because , well , Grêmio is

39:11>> No , but that was just as an example .

39:13>> Sure , sure . But I think so , there have

39:14already been examples at Internacional

39:16itself . I remember , for instance ,

39:18Cleiton Xavier , going back a bit , right

39:20? Cleiton Xavier , man , Cleiton Xavier

39:22arrived and proved to be a good player ,

39:24right ? He wasn't a superstar , but he

39:26was a good player , right ? So , like ,

39:29>> he came along with Rubiano and Geninho ,

39:33>> one of whom has even passed away , right

39:35?

39:35>> No , Sidmar came from Atsubara . Yeah ,

39:38Sidmar came from the same place ,

39:39>> he already passed away , right ?

39:40>> It's Rubiano , motorcycle accident . So ,

39:43like , but I think we mainly have to

39:45look at the youth academy , right ? I I I

39:48even feel like , it's complex for me to

39:51come and say : " João Bezerra has to

39:54play . " Yes ,

39:55>> I don't know much about him . I saw him

39:57because , like , we watch , oh , but don't

39:59you watch the youth games , Dr. Aquino ,

40:01no . Watch . I do watch . But we know that

40:04just because the guy does well in the

40:05youth ranks , it doesn't mean he'll do

40:07well in the pros , right ? You just have

40:09to remember Sarfiore .

40:11>> Sarrafior , we watched him in that Copa

40:13Ipiranga and thought : " My God , this guy

40:14is amazing , right ? "

40:16>> I was dead wrong .

40:17>> No , but many

40:18>> you still criticize me for that today .

40:19No , but many , many , because we watched

40:21him playing in the U20s and he

40:22destroyed it , and then in the pros .

40:24>> It's just a different league , right ?

40:26>> It changes , it didn't work out ,

40:27>> it's a different league , right ?

40:27>> It didn't work out . So , why do I say

40:29it's hard to argue that João Bezerra

40:32is a great player ? Because we don't see

40:35him play professionally , they don't put

40:37him in the game . And that's what I'm

40:38criticizing , you have to let him play .

40:40>> You know what really , really irritates

40:42me ? Maybe because I came from the

40:44countryside , and this is something I

40:46acknowledge , it bugs me ,

40:48>> it's the prejudice . Prejudice . I can't

40:53stand it because , well , I told an

40:56executive — I'll grant myself the right

41:00not to even name the club — I told an

41:04executive , actually , he was a candidate

41:08for president and ended up becoming one

41:12later . And I said to him : " Man , there's

41:16a wonderful player I've been watching

41:19play at Atlético Goianense , Marlon

41:21Freitas . " The executive told me : " Oh , I

41:25can't sign , announce a signing of a

41:27player from Atlético Goianense . " " Fair

41:29enough . "

41:30>> It had already happened with Fred when

41:32we recommended him ,

41:33>> it had already happened with Fred ,

41:34>> who was from América . Man , this guy is

41:36>> América Mineiro .

41:37>> Yeah . And then Botafogo didn't have any

41:41prejudice . Botafogo signed Marlon

41:43Freitas , who is now one of the best

41:45defensive midfielders in the country .

41:47>> Botafogo is safe , right ?

41:48>> I mean , you can't have prejudice ,

41:52>> no . You can't have prejudice . Oh ,

41:55because the guy comes from Europe , any

41:57hack will do . Now , let's take a look

41:59here at Série B. Let's look at Novo

42:01Horizontino , Criciúma . Let's send

42:04someone to go there and watch the guy

42:05play , you know ? Make a report . Look

42:08here , oh . So-and-so , so-and-so ,

42:10so-and-so . I saw so many games here ,

42:11and this guy here , you have to take a

42:13look . Bring him in without prejudice ,

42:15doc .

42:15>> Exactly .

42:16>> Of course . No , for sure . What I was

42:18concluding regarding the João Bezerra

42:19issue . I would like to see him play

42:23more often in the pros so we can get an

42:25idea if he's a player who will have

42:26good potential for the first division ,

42:28for the professional level or not . It

42:32seems to me that he does . He is a

42:34player who did very well in the youth

42:36ranks and everyone speaks highly of him

42:37, he has the physical build . So

42:39that’s what makes me a little

42:41bothered . I think that is the role of

42:43the political leader , for you to come

42:45in and set the guideline . Look , we have

42:48to use youth , we have to use the

42:50academy , we have to scout young players

42:52, we have to ... we have to promote youth

42:55, because we need to , including not

42:57just for financial reasons of of not

43:02being able to spend , but also later on ,

43:05for that too , to be able to sell , to

43:07sell .

43:09>> Doctor , I know you think he’ll make

43:10it to the general assembly , but I’ll

43:12ask you a question about the general

43:13context of the election . Do you think

43:16Melo runs any risk of not making it to

43:19the assembly , or would the historic

43:21strength of the MIG not allow that to

43:23happen , or is it no longer such a

43:25historic strength ? And to what extent

43:29does a vote-getter help , for example ,

43:32even if it might sometimes even harm

43:36the stable unity of the movement itself

43:39? Look , I think everyone runs the risk

43:43of not making it to the assembly , right

43:45? Because it’s a vote within the

43:48Deliberative Council . Voting , because

43:51it’s a democratic matter , is a secret

43:53ballot , right ? So , and I think that’s

43:55right , everyone goes there and votes

43:57for whoever they want , right ? Uh , I

44:00think voting , democracy is like that .

44:02So I see it as quite open , and I think

44:04Melo does have a risk of not making it

44:07to the assembly . I think the strength

44:11of the MIG was much greater in the more

44:14distant past due to the results on the

44:16field , which is what dictates the

44:19thermometer of football politics and

44:22the fans ' perspective , right ? Results

44:25on the field are what the fans want ,

44:27it’s what the Colorado supporters

44:28want . And since the MIG was in the

44:31club’s management from 2002 until

44:372020 and there Inter had a good , a good

44:42result up until 2006 , until 2010 ,

44:44let’s say , right ? Up to 2010 we won

44:46the Copa Sudamericana in 2008 , the

44:48Libertadores in 2010 . Starting in 2011 ,

44:51Inter has been on a decline , right ? So

44:55I think the strength of the MIG ,

44:56because of this , because of the issue

44:58of the results and the issue of

45:00Vitório Piffero , because of the issue ,

45:01anyway , there was quite a lot of wear

45:03and tear , it’s no longer the same ,

45:05although it is a traditional group ,

45:08>> the relegation itself , right ? The

45:10relegation itself , it is a traditional

45:11group , it has Fernando Carvalho , who is

45:13the president who won the Libertadores ,

45:14won the world title . But I think the

45:18member is already open to other

45:20proposals , to other ideas . Especially

45:23because , as I said at the beginning of

45:25my statement here : the club doesn't

45:27have to keep putting its destiny in the

45:29hands of luck , in the hands of chance ,

45:30in the hands of fate , right ? The club

45:34has to work on its destiny , has to

45:36reorganize the club , has to redo the

45:38soccer policy . If MIG wins , we won't

45:41have many changes in the soccer

45:43department , especially because one of

45:45the biggest criticisms I have of

45:46Alessandro Barcelos is that he promised

45:48changes and in reality he only changed

45:50the coaching staff . He just swapped

45:53Abel for Ramirez . Period . He didn't

45:56change anything regarding the soccer

45:58department staff . He didn't change the

46:01CAP issue , which is who does the market

46:03mapping . He he kept the staff , he kept

46:06the MIG staff . And that is one thing I

46:09never understood , okay ? Never

46:11understood . Because he ran an entire

46:13campaign focused on the issue of change

46:15and saying he would promote it . He even

46:18used a strong word , right ? Rupture ,

46:20which I don't even agree with , because

46:23I think any rupture in a soccer club

46:26management already brings a great deal

46:29of instability . I think you have to

46:32promote changes in bodies there , in key

46:36sectors . I think you have to promote

46:40changes in bodies , I used a bad word ,

46:42key positions , right ? I think you have

46:47to make a renovation of the soccer

46:49department , but not a rupture , right ?

46:53But he talked about rupture and didn't

46:55change anything . He didn't change it

46:57because the fan sometimes doesn't

46:59follow these internal staff positions

47:01much , right , which is who does the

47:03market mapping , for example . But they

47:06continued , they remained the same ones

47:08from the time of Roberto Melo and

47:09Marcelo Medeiros , right ? There was a

47:13professional from the CAP who left 3

47:15months ago , six months , and left not

47:18because he was fired , he left because

47:21he wanted to . So I think the club needs

47:25change , especially regarding soccer and

47:29the hiring policy . You can't keep

47:32signing 50 players every 2 years . What

47:34is the salary cap in the first division

47:38and a hypothetical cap in the second

47:41division ? It's less than half . The cut

47:45is extremely drastic so that the fan

47:47has an idea of what they are going to

47:50face .

47:51>> Look , Dalpisol , uh , since you're a good

47:54journalist , open up articles 79 through

47:5786 regarding the issue of football

48:00sustainability , okay ? Yeah . And you can

48:05read there that your spending cap , when

48:08you have an installment payment plan

48:10like Inter just did with the CNRD , is

48:13limited to the average of what you

48:15spent on the squad and coaching staff

48:17over the last 6 months , okay ? So you

48:21will have this legal limitation due to

48:23the fact that Internacional requested

48:26an installment plan .

48:27>> Yeah , Inter spent quite a bit , didn't

48:28they ?

48:29>> Yes . So , if you are in Série A , you

48:31won't be able to spend more than the

48:34average of the last six months . Even if

48:37you want to , even if a candidate comes

48:39along and says they have a benefactor

48:40who will sign very expensive players ,

48:42you can't . You can't . Unless you pay

48:45off this whole 31 million debt right

48:47away , right ? And then you are not , you

48:49are not limited by these rules anymore .

48:52>> And if you don't follow the rules ?

48:55>> Now , well , then you are , you are

48:57subject to punishments that start with

48:59warnings and then it goes ...

49:04>> it keeps , it keeps increasing those

49:06punishments up to the loss of points

49:08down the line , because financial fair

49:10play in Brazilian football is starting

49:13to take effect , right ? And the

49:16punishments , I don't remember them by

49:18heart right now , but they get more

49:20severe as time goes on , right ? The

49:23rules are being implemented little by

49:25little , right ? And this issue of Série

49:28B , Dalpisol , well , if we are in Série

49:30B , it's obvious that the payroll has to

49:31be much smaller , because the revenue

49:33will be much lower , right ? Just from

49:36television , you drop from 150 to 25 .

49:39Does it make much of a difference if ,

49:41for example , Grêmio goes down with

49:42Inter ?

49:44>> Ah , whoever thinks about being Inter's

49:46president , being an Inter manager ,

49:48shouldn't think about that , right ? We

49:50have to think about Inter . Now , of

49:52course , right ? I'm not going to be a

49:53hypocrite . For the fan , it's obvious it

49:55changes , right ? Because of the banter

49:57and such , but regarding the club , the

49:59club's management , it doesn't change .

50:01We have to think about Inter ,

50:03regardless of our opponent .

50:04>> Juventude has a payroll that doesn't

50:07reach 4 million and is leading Série

50:09B. There is no need for it . It's

50:12obvious that I'm not comparing

50:13Internacional to Juventude . I'm

50:15comparing the requirements of each

50:17competition , the technical level of

50:19each competition , right ? There must be ,

50:23and certainly are , Serie B clubs

50:25spending more than Juventude that will

50:26be watching Juventude get promoted .

50:29Good , good comparison , Vinici , even to

50:31pick up on the point made by Dr.

50:32Leonardo Aquino , a candidate for

50:34Inter's presidency , with whom we are

50:36speaking . Uh , spending cap is the

50:39average of the last 6 months . It’s

50:42said that Inter's payroll would be 14

50:44million . 14 million is reasonable . And

50:47is it possible to do it with six , let's

50:50say , since Juventude does it with four

50:52in the second division ?

50:54>> Is it possible to do it ? Is there a way

50:56? There is . Now , a point I put to you

51:00is the following : without wanting to

51:02disparage Juventude , it's nothing

51:04against Juventude , but the level of

51:06pressure at Internacional in a Serie B

51:09and the level of pressure at Juventude ,

51:12>> right ? Given what players with longer

51:14contracts at Inter earn , there's no way

51:16to adapt to Juventude's payroll . Then

51:19the club , the club will have to hustle ,

51:23>> will have to look for deals for some

51:24players , there will be no other choice ,

51:26because

51:27>> unfortunately , it is a question of

51:30financial reality . 1 plus 1 is two , it

51:33will never be five . So , I think the

51:36pressure at Inter is very different

51:38from the pressure at Juventude , but

51:40even with pressure , if it’s a

51:42catastrophic scenario , like a Serie B

51:44scenario , the club will have no

51:46alternative . It will have to reduce the

51:49payroll drastically , even just to be

51:51able to pay on time , right ? Even to be

51:54able to be responsible with its

51:56obligations . The club needs to recover

51:57its credibility in the market , right ?

52:00Inter can no longer be seen as a club

52:02that signs players and doesn't pay ,

52:04because soon you'll be competing for a

52:06signing and the agent , the player , or

52:08the club itself will say : " No , we won't

52:10negotiate with Inter . "

52:13>> But regarding Serie B , if that happens ,

52:15it applies to Internacional and Grêmio

52:17too , but we are talking about Inter . It

52:21is also true that a club of

52:24Internacional's stature enters the

52:26market with a much bigger advantage ,

52:29because the player who is

52:32>> or just just a just a parenthesis . Yes ,

52:34I understand what you’re about to say

52:35.

52:36>> The player who wants to come ,

52:37>> should I play for Náutico or for Inter

52:38? No , I'll play for Inter .

52:39>> No , that's fine , that's fine . But there

52:41is also this : when Inter comes to want

52:44to sign a player , ah , exactly ,

52:46>> no , but then the price is different .

52:48>> even if it's a Série B player . Of

52:51course , logically , the payroll for

52:53Inter or Grêmio or Vasco or Santos , if

52:56they are in Série B , it will be higher

52:58than everyone else's . But it doesn't

53:02need to be as high as , for example ,

53:04sorry for the comparison , but I have to

53:06say , like Grêmio's was in '21 .

53:09>> Yes . Like Inter's was in '17 .

53:11>> Exactly . It doesn't need to be that

53:13exaggerated .

53:13>> No , it really doesn't . It doesn't need

53:15to be , right ? It doesn't need to . It

53:16doesn't need to and it can't be . It

53:18cannot be . Exactly . It's a matter of

53:20not being able to , of having no way to

53:22pay , because people sometimes have a

53:25view like , it seems clubs have infinite

53:27money ,

53:27>> of course .

53:28>> And they don't , and they don't , so they

53:30have to meet their obligations .

53:32>> And I think , uh , the main point is

53:35>> you have to pay on time . You have to

53:37pay on time to be able to demand , to be

53:38able to

53:39>> Leonardo Aquino , why vote for Leonardo

53:41Aquino ? If you were an Internacional

53:44fan , you'd say : " I'm voting for him

53:46because he does this , this , that , and

53:47that other thing . " The main points of

53:51your campaign that you will carry as a

53:54dogma for the election and for after

53:56the election .

53:58>> Well , first , I consider that I don't

54:01have the vices of the administrations

54:04that led the club to total failure ,

54:06right ? led the club to a financial

54:11situation , because I often hear : " Oh ,

54:13Leonardo isn't experienced , Leonardo

54:16hasn't held an executive position at

54:18the club , " everyone is going to make

54:20mistakes , okay ? Everyone is going to

54:23make mistakes . I've even joked about

54:26this with a friend , the day I make my

54:29first mistake , I'm sure they'll say : "

54:32There you go , he's just a kid , he's too

54:35young , "

54:36>> he didn't have experience . had

54:38experience , made a mistake . Now , it's

54:40been 15 years that Internacional has

54:43been in a total slump , uh , hasn't won

54:46anything , went to Série B , okay ? a

54:51horrible financial situation and we've

54:53only had experienced directors in

54:56soccer and in the presidency , only

54:59experienced directors . If we had had a

55:03young president during this time , or

55:05one who hadn't held an executive

55:07position , they would certainly be

55:09saying that Inter is in this situation

55:12because they put an inexperienced

55:14person in the presidency . So , for me ,

55:17this talk about inexperience , deep down

55:19, I consider it an advantage .

55:21>> Exactly . Yeah , that's also a certain

55:24prejudice .

55:24>> Yeah , it's an advantage .

55:26>> Although Alessandro , although

55:27Alessandro emerged in a meteoric way .

55:30>> No , I don't agree with you .

55:31>> Because he was in administration , but

55:33it was for a short time and football

55:34was already aimed at the presidency .

55:36>> No , no , no . And and like , undeniably no

55:39. He was vice president of

55:41administration , vice president of

55:43finance , and vice president of football

55:45. for for 4 years . In other words , if

55:50there is one thing Alessandro Barcelos

55:52was not , it was inexperienced . He was

55:55extremely experienced . And , by the way ,

55:58I even heard you speaking here , eh , and

56:00I think you have every right , as a

56:02journalist , it's all fine to say that I

56:04haven't been inside the club , that my

56:05father was , and so on . But when , but

56:08when my father eh ran for president ,

56:10they said the same thing about him .

56:13>> I think it is an injustice to the

56:15>> president that he didn't have

56:16experience in football , that he wasn't

56:18experienced and so on . He only managed

56:21a budget of two or three billion , which

56:23is that of the Court of Justice , right ?

56:27So , I have several experienced , honest ,

56:30intelligent people who have already

56:32managed things . My father managed the

56:35Court of Justice , it's obvious .

56:37Sometimes they ask me : " Oh , what

56:38position will your father have ? " " He

56:40doesn't need to have a position , he's

56:41my father , he will help me daily . "

56:43>> And that he shouldn't help me , right ?

56:45>> Yeah , no , he he passes by my office

56:47door , opens it and says : " We want a

56:49team . " Yeah , so , Ricardo Breier was the

56:53president of the OAB , Eduardo Husen has

56:55experience in football , so , but he

56:57won't be in football , because if he is

56:59a vice president , he doesn't

57:00automatically

57:01>> no , but he will be on the management

57:04board and will monitor football , it

57:06will be under his tutelage , under his

57:08portfolio , the portfolio , one of the

57:10portfolios he will take care of , will

57:12observe is football , right ? So , I will

57:15have experienced people by my side and

57:17I am a young person . I am a young man

57:19who follows football , I have

57:21forward-thinking ideas , I follow it a

57:23lot , I study , I took courses , and I

57:25think I have I think no , I have , Mano

57:27Chames told me this , okay ? I have , I

57:29have a linguistic habit of saying " I

57:31think " . And he said : " Don't say ' I

57:33think ' anymore . " " I believe . " I am sure

57:35that I am sure that I believe .

57:38>> So I am going to implement a football

57:40policy totally different from what has

57:42been done in the last 15 years . I think

57:45that me having to explain that I am

57:48inexperienced , okay , I have to explain

57:50it , but the others have to explain how

57:52they will do things differently than

57:54they did before . Because if they do the

57:57same as they have already done , the

57:59club will end up breaking completely ,

58:01the club will end up reaching an

58:03unsustainable financial situation and

58:05will continue a cycle of defeats that

58:07is no longer possible for Internacional

58:10. So , I study , I follow along , I am

58:13surrounded by experienced people , I am

58:16surrounded by people who have managed

58:18very high budgets and I am sure that we

58:21will do things differently and that we

58:24will have a policy that will lead us .

58:28Perhaps at first we will have a little

58:29difficulty due to the club's financial

58:31situation and the issue of the Anrest

58:33oversight . We will have to be very

58:35creative in the market to

58:37>> there's no money in the safe

58:38>> to build a competitive team . Now , uh , I

58:41am sure that at the end of the 3 years

58:44we will deliver a much better club than

58:46the one we received .

58:48>> I mean , do you think it's Leonardo

58:50Aquilino and one more ?

58:52>> Of course , all three of them think that

58:54.

58:54>> We will be in the courtyard . Well , but

58:56then on the 9th you

58:58>> on the 9th you will have the answer .

59:01>> How has your work been with the

59:02organized fan groups ? organized groups ,

59:05are they vote drivers or were they more

59:08so in the past ?

59:11>> Look , Reque , I think the organized fan

59:13groups are part of the club , they are

59:14fans , right ? They have to be respected

59:19and we have to dialogue with them with

59:21the utmost tranquility , expose our

59:23proposals , and also talk about what we

59:25intend to do regarding the organized

59:27fan groups . I think they have their

59:31importance , but just like any other

59:34member , right ? All members have the

59:37same importance , everyone decides the

59:39future of the club and it's a matter of

59:42respect , respect and a frank , open ,

59:44transparent relationship . I want , as I

59:48said before , here at the beginning of

59:49the program , the support of all the

59:50colorados and with them it won't be any

59:51different .

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