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0:10Those of you online who are joining us,

0:12we're about to begin.

0:18Let's open with a word of prayer.

0:26Holy God, we do give you praise and

0:28thanks

0:32>> that you would

0:34be with each of us.

0:38>> You know our humanity better than we

0:41know it ourselves.

0:48We pray that

0:52even though we may be troubled and

0:54concerned,

1:00>> we would allow everyone to speak their

1:03mind,

1:08share their thoughts,

1:11actually their concerns

1:14in Jesus's name.

1:17Amen.

1:30I received a question.

1:34It's a long detailed question.

1:47And

1:48why it's interesting

1:53is because

1:55the person believes they're asking

1:59questions

2:05intertwined or mixed in their question.

2:12is

2:14a whole list of thoughts and ideas that

2:18they already hold on to.

2:26So they ask questions.

2:30Then they'll say things like, "I think

2:38>> I think it is. I think it has.

2:45And

2:48they end their thought by saying this

2:58>> whatever

3:00I I'll say I'm teaching

3:06it puts God

3:08in a negative and ugly position.

3:15person doesn't think I'm doing it

3:17deliberately,

3:23>> but what I'm doing

3:25is creating disharmony

3:32quite frankly.

3:37The person is the the word that they

3:40used was disquited and that means

3:43troubled

3:50because of what I'm saying

3:54their soul is disquited which means they

3:57are troubled in their mind.

4:05So you can see

4:08we didn't actually go through through

4:09the questions that they've asked

4:15that these are not just questions.

4:20They have a system of belief

4:24which

4:26they believe I am troubling or

4:29disturbing.

4:34That's disharmony that's being caused.

4:39>> They had their own thoughts and ideas

4:45and because of what is being taught

4:50is not in harmony with what they think.

4:57Mind is troubled.

5:03So that's a a little bit of the

5:05background

5:08the question

5:11or questions that they're asking

5:16relatively.

5:19I'm just going to say

5:21common

5:26>> might be phrased slightly differently,

5:28but they're the same questions that

5:29people are continuing to ask.

5:38>> So

5:41after they

5:43ask some questions, make these comments

5:45and end with this troubled mind.

5:55They have an afterthought. They think

5:58something and then they write a second

5:59message

6:07>> and

6:08it's not quite a question, but there is

6:11a question in there.

6:17the rhetorical question.

6:21What I mean by that,

6:24they phrase a statement as a question,

6:30they already know the answer to

6:35that they already have an opinion about.

6:42So, you tell me

6:45if you agree

6:48with the initial premise of what they're

6:50going to say.

6:56>> I'll raise a little bit

7:03>> from the working definition.

7:08provided

7:18in it says earlier studies I'm just

7:21going to put in previous studies

7:32>> dealing with

7:34institutions

7:37Remember

7:39I said yesterday your homework is to

7:41understand institution

7:52>> as a noun

7:55and a verb.

7:58So I'm going to read the statement as it

8:02was given to me.

8:08I do that.

8:11>> I presume the studies that she's

8:15referring to

8:22that he is saying that they're studies

8:25that I have done.

8:31The question was to me.

8:36So he said

8:38you've done some studies

8:42and based upon those studies

8:48there's a working definition

8:54what an institution is

8:59and then it's so that's my paraphrase

9:02I'll read what the person said,

9:11>> "The working definition provided in

9:13earlier studies

9:20>> regarding institution as a noun and a

9:24verb.

9:29Pretty okay with that so far.

9:35Does anybody have a problem with what's

9:38been said so far?

9:44>> Everyone's okay. No one's got a problem.

9:49>> No one's got a problem.

9:53Don't you don't have to tell me what the

9:54problem is. Put your hand up if you have

9:55a problem.

10:01>> So, Glory has a problem.

10:04as does Monica.

10:06So, don't tell me what the problem is

10:08yet.

10:10We haven't even got to the question bit.

10:16the person who asked the question.

10:20Two people

10:22have got an issue with what you've said.

10:29And then they put a colon cuz they're

10:32going to make a point

10:37regarding institution as a noun and a

10:39verb. Colon.

10:46And then it's going to be broken down

10:47into three parts.

10:54>> Structure,

10:56>> mission,

10:59>> purpose.

11:03And in case I don't understand what that

11:06means,

11:10>> structure, mission, purpose.

11:15Going to give an explanation.

11:19Structure means organization.

11:34Mission

11:36means principle

11:42law.

11:46>> The purpose,

11:48job function.

11:57And the job function

12:00is a statement

12:06and

12:08a

12:10and real life

12:15because they might not be the same.

12:23Everybody okay so far?

12:26Now the question

12:29question is

12:32I

12:35they said seem but I think that they

12:38believe it's true.

12:48Why do we, which means me,

12:54>> seem to ignore

12:59>> number three.

13:05That's the question.

13:09To serve.

13:13Cool.

13:17the people of course.

13:21So

13:25there's a working definition

13:31that I presume I have provided

13:37in the questioner's mind

13:42in previous studies

13:47of what an institution is

13:52both as a noun and a verb

13:56and to explain that

14:00it's in three parts

14:04structure mission purpose

14:08and the question seems to infer

14:13>> did the structure Okay,

14:18>> mission seems okay.

14:21>> We

14:23>> I

14:25>> I'm teaching you

14:27to ignore our purpose

14:33and I think that means

14:37the purpose of the institution

14:41and the purpose is Obviously the job

14:45function

14:47which is to serve

14:52the people.

14:55I don't want to manipulate it. This was

14:57a comma.

15:08So

15:09either serving and calling is two

15:12separate things or they're the same

15:14thing.

15:22Monica,

15:23you had your hand up earlier.

15:39I don't know how you going to do it. One

15:41second. We've got to work out how we do

15:43this.

16:04how I understood the situation.

16:08>> If this is backwards if you do it this

16:09way,

16:11I think then you're okay cuz you're

16:15doing the German and the English.

16:19If I'm wrong, I'm

16:26Okay,

16:34>> we um define the word institution

16:41>> as a not noun not as a verb.

16:48>> Finished.

16:50Maria,

16:55>> that was the same thing.

16:56>> So,

17:00this is the preamble. This is the setup

17:02for the question

17:07and

17:10whether we think it's an important point

17:12or not an important point.

17:19questioner says the word institution is

17:24both a noun and a verb.

17:32And at least three of us

17:37room

17:38have picked up.

17:43>> Understand

17:46that the word institution is never a

17:48verb

17:52only a noun.

17:59Does anybody want to comment now?

18:03with respect to the setup of the

18:06question

18:11because if you believed an institution

18:13can be a verb. So it can be a noun and a

18:16verb.

18:23It would

18:27could

18:29change your theology.

18:33But if it's not a verb

18:37and only a noun,

18:40that would constrain your theology.

18:46The comment

18:54When you did a presentation for a US

18:57group,

19:02>> you gave three characteristics of an

19:05institution.

19:09>> Wait a second.

19:10>> Do you have to date for that?

19:14>> What was that? You have to date.

19:17>> Oh,

19:18>> you don't. Don't worry.

19:22It was June 12, 2026.

19:29>> Uh, it was part one. The title was

19:32people I guess do not make an

19:34institution or Yeah, it was

19:36>> just give me the presentation number

19:38>> three.

19:41>> Three.

19:41>> Three. Yes.

19:42>> Okay. Carry on, please.

19:44>> Um, yeah. And the three characteristics

19:47you gave was durable

19:51or staying in power,

19:56number two was structure or rules.

20:02And the third one was purpose or

20:05function.

20:20So, can you see that the questioner has

20:25picked up a study?

20:32Maybe it's this one because it looks

20:34similar.

20:38And at least has used two of the

20:42words that Gloria used

20:48define institution.

20:52I guess the one that's different is when

20:54it says mission and I had said

20:57durability.

21:09So

21:11let's begin sort of I guess simply

21:15if we can

21:19tell me what you think an institution

21:22is.

21:39Okay, I'll ask you a question then.

21:43Does the word institution mean the same

21:46thing every time?

21:52>> Yes or no?

21:56No.

21:58So she says

22:00I said

22:03institution can have can mean well I'll

22:07say can mean different things

22:12different properties

22:16ability structure purpose

22:22>> has to have different elements at least

22:29So maybe we would say an institution is

22:32durability plus structure plus purpose.

22:42>> So Monica said yes.

22:46I'm going to agree with her.

22:50Hopefully we all agree.

22:54So let's give a simple overarching

22:58definition. Then

23:03>> let's fix this

23:05so we have a a definition that works.

23:12Let's have a go.

23:23Mina

23:27Monica. Monica.

23:41I think there are two different main

23:44things how you can um define an

23:47institution or explain what an

23:49institution is.

24:00Institution

24:05is an organization

24:09>> like a school,

24:12a university

24:14or a hospital

24:26or a framework

24:29of rules and laws for a society.

24:40I'm going to take the word society out

24:46and put school there.

24:51School,

24:53>> the university,

24:55>> the hospital.

24:59the society

25:01that's the organization

25:04and then you said a framework of rules

25:09of the school of the university of the

25:11hospital of the society.

25:20So

25:23Monica has said an institution has two

25:26properties to it.

25:31organization

25:34>> and then the rules or laws.

25:46Anyone else?

25:50So I'm going to give one

25:55and it's much simpler.

26:00So there's a person

26:04and

26:08what they do

26:11is they set up

26:17some rules.

26:21Person says or a belief,

26:25an idea.

26:28So they set up some rules

26:33or an idea.

26:38I don't even mind calling it a mission

26:46or a purpose.

26:51This person is going to do something.

26:56When this person does this thing,

27:01is that an institution?

27:14Someone said yes. Charity.

27:18Anyone else?

27:23person said

27:26we will have to wear blue shirts from

27:27now on. That's the new rule.

27:36>> Is that an institution?

27:42Everybody listens.

27:47Is that an institution?

27:52Everyone's doing it. It's still not an

27:54institution.

27:58Then

28:01the person

28:04dies,

28:07no longer there.

28:10And everybody

28:15stops wearing the blue shirts cuz the

28:17person isn't there.

28:22>> Is that ever an institution?

28:26No. When the person now dies

28:30and everybody still wears blue shirts,

28:36is that an institution?

28:43Yes,

28:45>> because it now has the property of

28:47durability.

28:54It

28:54>> has

28:58something that endures.

29:03It's

29:03>> one of the key properties to an

29:05institution.

29:11This is part of

29:13not just the intellectual growth but the

29:16actual development of this movement.

29:25You follow if you follow what we've just

29:27said and you agree

29:34when did we become an institution?

29:551989.

29:58So we're in 1989

30:03and what is happening in 1989.

30:10>> We do that.

30:13>> Number two, step two.

30:17person dies.

30:20Extreme.

30:24So the person

30:29leaves,

30:32moves away.

30:37Do one more.

30:40>> I'm not trying to lead you.

30:45changes their mind.

30:51>> Say now it's red shirts

30:56and everybody keeps on wearing blue

30:59shirts.

31:03He achieved institutional status.

31:09Yes.

31:10So he's number one

31:14institution.

31:19No,

31:20>> he's number two institution.

31:23Don't look at the words on the right.

31:28Remember the blue shirt continues.

31:35>> Is it an institution that won? No.

31:40at two.

31:42>> Yes.

31:43Okay. 1989.

31:48>> Are we Are we at one or at two?

31:56>> We at one.

31:59>> Is one an institution?

32:04According

32:09to that, no,

32:13we may like to pretend we're an

32:15institution. We may romanticize by it.

32:20We may romanticize the idea.

32:29We're not really an institution.

32:35Then

32:36>> the person leaves

32:40>> when

32:43>> when do we become an institution?

32:49>> Put your hands up if it's 2019.

32:54Hands up if it's not 2019.

32:58Thank you, Lily.

33:01This is not 2019

33:09because what happens in 2019?

33:15We're back at number

33:19one. someone else stands up

33:26>> and then when they leave

33:31now where are we?

33:38>> So we're not an institution at 89 and

33:41we're not one at 19.

33:52Just shout the number out. The date

34:00>> Sunday law

34:02>> 2024.

34:05How many people do we have?

34:12How many people do we have?

34:21How many people do we have?

34:26>> None.

34:28There are no people. No, not one.

34:34>> They've all left.

34:38And what do we now have?

34:43You have permanency,

34:47>> durability

34:50because there are no people there

34:55gone.

34:57>> What we have now is the rules or the

35:00laws that are left.

35:07You have a question.

35:13As the question's coming up,

35:17>> the person

35:19set up some rules.

35:23>> When they left,

35:26those rules became permanent.

35:31And that's the definition of an

35:32institution.

35:37durable,

35:40unchangeable

35:44that happened when they left.

35:48If we want to be technical about how

35:51we're discussing this

35:55>> question,

36:04it's not really a question.

36:08>> It's just to be sure I understand.

36:18So when you said the person left and the

36:21institution remains the rule and laws

36:31to whom do you um talk about

36:37>> talk about Jeff and

36:42>> just to be sure that I understand what

36:44you're saying

36:51>> one correction.

36:55>> You said when the person left the

36:58institution remained.

37:08>> I I did not say when the person left the

37:11institution remained.

37:17So when they left

37:20the institution

37:22began

37:28so

37:37>> institution if I understand well

37:43is the rule

37:46>> and the law

37:48not the individual who are inside the

37:51institution.

38:02for the purpose of this

38:05for the purpose of this discussion.

38:12I don't know if it's yes or no,

38:16not about the people.

38:19>> You can create a model of an institution

38:24which I've already done before.

38:28where the people and the institution are

38:30symbiotic.

38:36>> The way the question is being asked

38:40and the answer

38:42is in that framework.

38:46If we think

38:49of those two people as a singular

38:52person,

38:56an ambassador from heaven.

39:00>> They changed their mind.

39:05>> They said Sunday law.

39:09>> Don't like that.

39:11>> We'll change it to equality.

39:14That's not durability.

39:19the transitory or a temporary idea.

39:26They're no longer there.

39:29There is nobody to change.

39:36That's why it can it can take on the

39:39properties of institutional of an

39:41institution

39:46permanent.

39:50What I've not considered

39:53is a possibility that they lied.

39:59But even if it was a lie, it can still

40:00be an institution.

40:07Someone says something,

40:11they leave

40:14and people continue to hold on to that.

40:17idea

40:22now endures

40:25is the property of an institution.

40:30Two people were Jeff, Elder Jeff and

40:32Elder Tess

40:37left.

40:39>> There's no possibility that they can

40:41change anything.

40:46Everybody said

40:48you have to consider them as a single

40:50person.

40:54They said one thing on Monday and they

40:56said another thing on Tuesday

41:02and then they left.

41:06Can't say anything else anymore.

41:11And then we say we'll take their last

41:13word.

41:17If you continue to accept it, believe it

41:24has the property of an institution.

41:28>> Primary one

41:30which is durability.

41:36permanency.

41:39You can't take the person out.

41:44>> The thing cannot continue,

41:49not an institution.

41:53That's why

41:58bunch means group, but it's a rude way

42:02of saying it.

42:08That's why this bunch of people

42:13>> since the Sunday law

42:16refuse to have a theological leader.

42:25>> Why there's no singular angel.

42:32If we had one,

42:35>> we could never be an institution

42:41not meet the criteria of durability.

42:48>> So the death of the angels

42:52was necessary

42:55in order for us to become an

42:57institution.

43:01durability.

43:04The problem is

43:07the discussion that we're having

43:11is that we are changing things.

43:16And if we're changing things,

43:19what does that tell you?

43:23We cannot be an institution.

43:26You cannot have it both ways.

43:31In theory,

43:34we had one person,

43:39two humans, literal humans,

43:43who changed their minds.

43:47The last thing that person said

43:53was equality.

43:56They left.

43:59And the people who believed them at the

44:02time,

44:06what did they continue to believe after

44:07they left?

44:12>> Same thing.

44:14>> Equality.

44:16And they said,

44:18>> "We don't need the person anymore.

44:22Just hold on to the message or the rule

44:26or the law.

44:31That makes us an institution.

44:36>> Is 24.

44:39And now

44:43there are murmurss or rumors

44:48amongst the believers,

44:52those people that Shmaine mentioned.

44:57who are saying

45:00>> the rule, the law, the message

45:06is being changed.

45:10>> And if you believe that

45:14in theory, the theory of it,

45:19>> how long did our institution last?

45:24who years

45:26>> 24 to 26

45:31>> now we don't have an institution any

45:33longer

45:35>> it keeps on changing

45:39and those who said oh in 24 how many

45:43people there were five

45:49you misunderstand and

45:54the reality

45:57of the mismatch

46:01between theory and real life.

46:07There is no elite.

46:10It's it's

46:14a shame

46:16which means it's shameful.

46:20It's a lot of shame

46:22to say that that we have some elite.

46:28Everybody who believes we have an elite,

46:33can they please agree

46:37that there is no institution?

46:43You cannot have it both ways.

46:47Cuz

46:50that's called cognitive dissidence.

46:55Leaving a lie.

46:59It makes you feel good.

47:03Either we

47:05have an elite and we're not an

47:07institution.

47:11We have a law

47:14rule

47:16that's locked away in the box and no one

47:18can change it.

47:24Can't change it. Blessing can't change

47:26it. Elder Terry can't change it.

47:32If we have that,

47:35>> I can't change it. If you want to, I'll

47:36add myself in.

47:40If you have that,

47:42you have an institution.

47:45Now, if you're mistaking

47:50all the nonsense that we're talking now

47:56with some change,

47:59in the rules, in the law,

48:03>> in the message,

48:07Then we can deal with a

48:09misunderstanding.

48:14That's different

48:17to saying

48:19we are destroying something.

48:23Cuz the only thing that's being

48:25destroyed

48:28isn't the Bible.

48:30We're not trashing the Bible,

48:34trashing the institution.

48:39If the accusation is correct,

48:54as we are talking about institution,

49:00um could you clarify for me

49:06uh our rules and Blue

49:12>> and also

49:17what make us an institution in 2024.

49:25>> What you just said as example um that

49:29the leader are gone

49:34and there is no ill elite. [laughter]

49:38There is only people who speak a new

49:41message.

49:43>> So two question.

49:45What are our law laws and rules as an

49:50institution

49:54and why 2024 the starting point?

50:02Get the mic.

50:13Can you just I know you don't like it.

50:15Can you just say yes or no

50:25>> for me to answer your question?

50:29It's a conceptual question.

50:34Please put the Bible aside for a minute.

50:42>> Excellent.

50:46>> This person

50:49which was two human beings,

50:53do we agree? The first one,

50:58>> person A,

51:01the first incarnation,

51:05they said something,

51:09but you all believed.

51:13But they said,

51:16did it endure?

51:20Was it durable?

51:24Did the person

51:27the next day

51:29change?

51:31Did they stand up and say,

51:36"Forget what I taught you yesterday. I'm

51:38teaching you something different today."

51:44Is that a fact

51:48or did I just make that up?

51:54I guess that question is to Shema, but

51:56anybody can answer if she's busy.

52:03Have I manipulated anything?

52:07Person

52:09is the ambassador

52:12>> on the heavenly kingdom.

52:17When they incarnated as a

52:24>> they called themselves Jeff.

52:27>> When they reincarnated themselves

52:31the next day they came as Tess.

52:39>> Same person.

52:41Did they change their mind?

52:48Can we say yes or we don't know or what?

52:52Talking about your history.

52:56>> Did the ambassador

53:00change their mind?

53:03They said, "Oh,

53:06I made a mistake.

53:10It's not Sunday,

53:12it's equality.

53:16We agree.

53:18So

53:20then the last thing they ever told us,

53:24you can put your hand down

53:27is equality.

53:30>> So Shmaine said, "What is the thing

53:36is equality?

53:39believed it

53:42when it was A

53:45and B. They just took us to different

53:48places

53:51and they left.

53:53And what did we end up holding on to

53:56when they left?

54:00>> Equality.

54:03Have we ever moved away from that?

54:08He said,

54:09>> "There's a new mission, there's a new

54:11theory, there's a new law, there's a new

54:13anything."

54:20>> Shmaine said

54:23>> yes to that question

54:26and all of you has said no.

54:30She says you have changed

54:33and you said there's no change.

54:38loss.

54:42>> Oh, do we?

54:48>> So, we haven't changed anything.

54:53>> If we become an elite,

54:57we would have had that person

55:01in the third incarnation.

55:05and we didn't.

55:09>> That's why we're an institution.

55:12If that's all true

55:16and why it happened in 24

55:22somehow or another,

55:29I'll say it this way.

55:33All of you

55:35said, "We will no longer follow a

55:37person.

55:40Will not do that ever again.

55:45Just worship

55:47the law."

55:50And the last law that he had said, it

55:52was just one word, equality.

55:58And he got put in a box so no one can

56:00touch it.

56:04I'm saying

56:06that's where we're at.

56:10>> Many of you are saying

56:14you're trying to break into the box and

56:17change that law

56:23to something else.

56:27>> And I'm saying no, we're not.

56:31Whatever you are seeing,

56:34we're not making any changes.

56:39And you're saying

56:41it looks like a big change.

56:46So big

56:48it looks different.

56:52>> I'm saying

56:54fair point.

56:58If you're correct,

57:00we don't have an institution.

57:05So you have to decide

57:09the elite

57:11who are teaching something brand new

57:16institution.

57:18I'm saying that's your choice.

57:22That's why this is so important.

57:31Who's who's doing who's sorting you out?

57:35You got to look. Come.

57:44Hello.

57:46Maybe

57:48if we have this thought that it's a

57:51brand new message.

57:55Please

57:56>> as a

57:58the teacher are not uh explaining thing

58:03in a simple language that we can

58:06understand what they're saying

58:12or ever

58:16um I don't understand we don't

58:18understand

58:21>> we are city maybe

58:25So which one?

58:44>> I was given two options.

58:49>> We're bad teachers.

58:53You're not very good students.

58:59One or both may be true.

59:04>> Is that what Shmaine said? The two

59:06options. Bad teachers, not very good

59:09students.

59:14>> That's what I heard.

59:16I want to

59:20I want to offer.

59:31>> I want to offer option three.

59:39We're not bad teachers

59:42and you're not ignorant students

59:48that the subject is more complicated.

59:56So

59:58I set up a very simplistic premise.

1:00:04>> Person

1:00:07institution

1:00:10>> a B

1:00:13>> Jeff

1:00:14>> test

1:00:17agree with that

1:00:19>> and then I'll just put Cit

1:00:23>> institution

1:00:26now what I said was

1:00:33what Jeff and Tess were teaching This

1:00:35person

1:00:40rad was radically different.

1:00:44You can say that.

1:00:46Didn't use the word radical.

1:00:51You may have inferred

1:00:55I said radical

1:00:58cuz I said they're very different.

1:01:02Sunday

1:01:04equality

1:01:07and there's no connection between the

1:01:09two

1:01:12unless you want to manipulate it.

1:01:17So

1:01:19what does radical mean?

1:01:25Root.

1:01:27So if we have to ask ourselves

1:01:33is equality

1:01:36>> radically different from Sunday law.

1:01:43Put your hands up if it's yes.

1:01:47>> Radically different

1:01:51shouldn't be.

1:02:03Is equality

1:02:08developmental change of Sunday law?

1:02:15>> Two options.

1:02:18>> Is it radically different?

1:02:22>> That means if you go right down to the

1:02:24roots

1:02:27These are two completely separate

1:02:30independent things

1:02:36>> or is it just a developmental change?

1:02:41>> Which one?

1:02:47So Glory initially said radical cuz it

1:02:50sounds radical.

1:02:54Now people are edging on to maybe it's

1:02:56developmental.

1:03:02If it's radical

1:03:05and he wasn't trying to trick you

1:03:09if I don't do it in steps,

1:03:13it's hard to learn.

1:03:17Person one and two

1:03:20was radically different.

1:03:24we would have had other problems.

1:03:29>> Not going to discuss them.

1:03:32I'll just do it a different way.

1:03:36Elder Terry has tal has spoken about

1:03:38what I'm about to say numerous times.

1:03:45>> Fourth commandment

1:03:48>> says what?

1:03:51About whom?

1:03:54>> Four things.

1:03:57>> Four beings.

1:04:00>> Maybe four. We'll see.

1:04:04You,

1:04:06your wife,

1:04:10>> your servants,

1:04:13>> your animals,

1:04:16four living things.

1:04:19And who's the boss?

1:04:22>> You. Who's the lazy one?

1:04:28>> You. Who does all the work?

1:04:31>> The other three.

1:04:34>> Six days a week.

1:04:37>> Cuz you don't work ever.

1:04:40Agree with that.

1:04:42>> You don't work 24/7.

1:04:46your wife, your slave, and your animals

1:04:49work

1:04:54>> seven days a week

1:04:58until

1:05:00there is a law implemented.

1:05:05And what's that law?

1:05:08>> What do we call the law?

1:05:10>> We call it a

1:05:12>> somethingic law.

1:05:18We're seventh day Adventist. We call it

1:05:22>> what law?

1:05:25>> A Sabbath law?

1:05:28>> And is that the correct title?

1:05:32No,

1:05:33>> because it's a what law?

1:05:39>> You will rest on Sabbath.

1:05:44>> You rest every day.

1:05:48>> The other three

1:05:50who work seven days a week,

1:05:55>> Monday

1:05:57in seven,

1:05:59>> they will be

1:06:04equal

1:06:06>> to you.

1:06:09It's not a Sabbath law. It's an equality

1:06:12law.

1:06:16Like

1:06:2014% of the time.

1:06:25How silly is that?

1:06:27will give you equality 14% of your life.

1:06:34>> Someone can check the 14%.

1:06:37This is not the 2/3 rule.

1:06:42This is now the 14% rule.

1:06:45Check the math before I go before it

1:06:47becomes solidified in movement psyche.

1:06:53What's the number?

1:06:55>> 14. Wow, look at that. So, this is now

1:06:59the 14% rule,

1:07:03>> equality.

1:07:05Then they said,

1:07:07>> let's do a de developmental change.

1:07:14>> And now it's what?

1:07:22>> No way.

1:07:24It's not 100%. Amen.

1:07:29>> What's the next rule? Law quality.

1:07:36>> How many people?

1:07:49Go back.

1:07:52>> You

1:07:55>> who are you?

1:07:58>> This one.

1:08:01>> How much equality do you get?

1:08:06>> All the time.

1:08:08>> The others don't get it.

1:08:13>> Number step two.

1:08:16It's

1:08:16>> not the 14% rule. It's now the

1:08:23>> How many had equality

1:08:25for 6,000 years?

1:08:37>> How many people were there at the

1:08:39beginning?

1:08:41How many had equality?

1:08:45The next day,

1:08:48one divided by two.

1:08:55It took us 6,000 years

1:09:00to get to 50% equality.

1:09:05Just the half already got it.

1:09:10That's the developmental change.

1:09:15If they can develop

1:09:17>> the same message,

1:09:20>> we can develop.

1:09:23And what are we now saying?

1:09:28Glorious

1:09:30100%.

1:09:34Cuz this was a

1:09:37I'll call it Sabbath.

1:09:40This was a Sabbath equality.

1:09:44We skipped some steps.

1:09:49>> This was a gender equality.

1:09:54This is a You can call it what you want.

1:09:59We call it a universal.

1:10:02I'm going to call it political.

1:10:11So if this is all true

1:10:16>> and we might like to romanticize

1:10:22that we're an institution

1:10:26at the time of the end.

1:10:29>> I don't mind romanticizing as well

1:10:34>> if you want to be serious.

1:10:38precise.

1:10:40>> The institution begins here.

1:10:45>> 24

1:10:48not here.

1:10:50>> 201819

1:10:53and not here

1:10:55>> 1989.

1:10:58You could make an argument

1:11:01>> that we've been in this in we have been

1:11:03an institution from that time.

1:11:10I wouldn't fight that.

1:11:14But I want to make the point

1:11:18that if we want to take institution at

1:11:21its purest

1:11:24um definition

1:11:292024

1:11:32and we said no more theological leaders

1:11:36ever again.

1:11:43If that's true,

1:11:46then we cannot be teaching anything new.

1:11:52It's just logically inconsistent.

1:11:57It looks like we are. It feels like we

1:12:00are, but we cannot be.

1:12:08Because if we are

1:12:10then blessing and courtesies have just

1:12:12stood up

1:12:16>> and they've taken the role of Jeff and

1:12:20Tess.

1:12:24>> They believe that.

1:12:27>> You'd be wrong to believe that.

1:12:33And if you did,

1:12:37everything that you ever believed has

1:12:39now just you just burnt and destroyed

1:12:46>> probation hasn't happened.

1:12:50I don't think we're even in the Sunday

1:12:52law

1:12:55and we've got a lot more work to do

1:13:01to the degree that I think we're doomed.

1:13:07>> You either have that scenario,

1:13:13>> you're willing to believe

1:13:17we're just not very good teachers.

1:13:22or you don't listen properly.

1:13:25>> We can manage that

1:13:31there's a disconnect.

1:13:36And if that's true,

1:13:38we shouldn't be saying

1:13:42things like we're destroying things or

1:13:45changing things.

1:13:49It can't be true.

1:14:01>> So I hear your argument

1:14:06but we can also you know um um interpret

1:14:11the uh situation differently but what we

1:14:15are seeing

1:14:20And that's why I told you um there is a

1:14:25we I I will talk to me. I I I I don't

1:14:28really understand.

1:14:32>> You said that there is not eliter.

1:14:36>> We don't have

1:14:38blessing or curtis who um who are

1:14:42teaching

1:14:48But what we are saying what see see what

1:14:51we are seeing

1:14:54>> is Blessin and Curtis who are uh

1:14:56teaching and you also

1:15:01the main teacher I mean

1:15:04so we can think who can been been led to

1:15:08think

1:15:12this these are the person who teach the

1:15:15message of the new covenant

1:15:18because it's a reality, you know,

1:15:23so I hear your argument.

1:15:28But when I take put it in our reality,

1:15:33I miss connection missing for me because

1:15:35I don't see it. Maybe because I don't

1:15:38understand it.

1:15:43Everything that you've said

1:15:48>> I agree with.

1:16:09Let me try it one more way.

1:16:17>> I've got Sunday equality then just No,

1:16:20I've got 14% 50% 100%.

1:16:29>> Just nod. Shermaine,

1:16:33you okay if I put Jeff

1:16:37Hess

1:16:39>> and us

1:16:45what Shmaine

1:16:48not malicious but what she subtly just

1:16:51did

1:16:55>> is the following.

1:16:59He said

1:17:01>> we

1:17:03are teachers.

1:17:07>> That she stated that

1:17:11what she inferred

1:17:14if she didn't say explicitly

1:17:19is that Tess was

1:17:22>> a teacher

1:17:24>> and Jeff was a teacher.

1:17:28And she says,

1:17:31"You're all the same."

1:17:36She said more than that, but I just want

1:17:38to stop it there.

1:17:42>> Now,

1:17:43I'm forced

1:17:47>> go to the Bible

1:17:50and use some poetic license.

1:17:55One of the things I want to clarify

1:18:01>> No, I won't clarify that.

1:18:05>> Hebrews chapter 7 and 8.

1:18:09>> We have someone

1:18:12>> who stands between God,

1:18:15>> the father

1:18:18>> and us.

1:18:20And they're called a mediator.

1:18:25and they have certain properties

1:18:29>> characteristics.

1:18:32So what I want to say is this

1:18:37>> and it's not new.

1:18:41Jeff

1:18:42was a mediator

1:18:48and Tess

1:18:50>> was a mediator.

1:18:54And I'm going to suggest

1:18:56that you all accepted that and believed

1:19:00it.

1:19:06>> And I don't know anybody

1:19:11with all respect

1:19:14that looks at Curtis

1:19:19and says he's a mediator.

1:19:23We trust him to mediate.

1:19:29>> I've never met anybody

1:19:32in the last two years that look at him

1:19:34like that.

1:19:40>> And if you have got itchy feet

1:19:45>> means you're excited

1:19:49>> to think

1:19:51that you might put blessing as a

1:19:53mediator.

1:19:58>> He looks nice

1:20:01and Curtis doesn't

1:20:05you would be a fool.

1:20:08And a third element,

1:20:13lest you all do something silly

1:20:18which you're inclined to do

1:20:22cuz you're like sheep without shepherds

1:20:27when the mediators left.

1:20:31>> Cuz you don't like worshiping laws that

1:20:34are in boxes.

1:20:42I say it this way because I'm going to

1:20:44blame you.

1:20:47>> You forced me

1:20:51to stop teaching

1:20:55become an administrator.

1:20:59If I kept on teaching,

1:21:03you would have begun to put me as a

1:21:05mediator.

1:21:10Stop that

1:21:13crying now.

1:21:16I was forced to stop teaching

1:21:21and hand it over to others.

1:21:27That's my version of the story.

1:21:32I think it's accurate to history.

1:21:39enter theology,

1:21:42enter prophecy,

1:21:45and

1:21:48all the bad teachers that we have now,

1:21:53not one of them cuz I'm an administrator

1:21:56now.

1:21:58So, those bad teachers are not doing a

1:22:00good job of explaining what I've just

1:22:02said.

1:22:08And as I've always said, don't blame

1:22:11yourself. Students,

1:22:15always bad teachers.

1:22:20So

1:22:24what I've tried to do, I didn't get

1:22:27through all of the questioner concerns,

1:22:33is to try to show

1:22:36this issue of institution

1:22:42complex.

1:22:44The more you look at it,

1:22:48we can pretend we've been an institution

1:22:50forever, but we haven't.

1:22:56And if you like me really believe we're

1:22:59an institution

1:23:01now,

1:23:04whether you like it or not,

1:23:08and blessing cannot be changing.

1:23:14has already been established

1:23:18>> because they don't have the key to the

1:23:21box

1:23:25the law or the rule is within

1:23:31what they can do

1:23:34is incremental development.

1:23:41We call it clarification.

1:23:45That's what Elder Test did.

1:23:51>> Last week,

1:23:54I'm going to call it presentation 13.

1:23:59>> 14.

1:24:03The class ended halfway through a

1:24:06thought.

1:24:11Curtis began laying out the Eden to Eden

1:24:14line

1:24:18>> cuz someone told him to do that.

1:24:23We began to see or discuss that

1:24:29off camera.

1:24:32>> I think it was off camera.

1:24:35We began to show

1:24:38as the reality set in

1:24:44that there is that there are big

1:24:47problems with the Eden to Eden line as

1:24:50it has been given to us.

1:24:56Problems

1:24:59require big explanations

1:25:05and what we have to not do

1:25:09is speak with inflammatory language

1:25:16which I tend to do. I apologize.

1:25:22So I won't call it big problems. The

1:25:25problems with the Eden to Eden line

1:25:32need to be understood and corrected.

1:25:38It does not destroy the concept.

1:25:44It's an incremental change.

1:25:49If you can see that,

1:25:52if Curtis or Blessing were to do that,

1:25:55finish that study publicly,

1:25:58I know

1:26:02we might all be able to see

1:26:07the essence of the issue.

1:26:12>> We're not destroying things. We're

1:26:13trying to build them.

1:26:19even though it doesn't look that way.

1:26:25This was my last class for this camp.

1:26:30A really good time.

1:26:32We've still got the whole of the week

1:26:34before us.

1:26:38And uh if you all can join me in prayer

1:26:45that Curtis and Blessing will continue

1:26:47to do the good work that they have been

1:26:49doing.

1:26:54Maybe we could even pray they do a

1:26:55better job

1:26:59of explaining these complicated things

1:27:04we're not fully grasping.

1:27:08And part of that prayer,

1:27:13in fact, this is my prayer, I guess,

1:27:16that you

1:27:20pray for yourselves

1:27:24and ask God to give you some

1:27:30some

1:27:32thoughts and ideas.

1:27:38You can cut these people some slack.

1:27:41And I explain what that means.

1:27:44That you can give them some grace.

1:27:50That it doesn't make sense what they're

1:27:52teaching.

1:27:55They actually do know that.

1:27:57They can see it. They hear it.

1:28:01Just give them a bit of time to explain.

1:28:08That does not mean don't challenge.

1:28:12If you don't challenge them

1:28:15strongly,

1:28:17the message won't develop.

1:28:22Let's do it in the right atmosphere and

1:28:24spirit

1:28:28and let's try avoid using

1:28:34things like

1:28:36atheist

1:28:38trash

1:28:42ignoring the Bible

1:28:46because we don't call you disobedient

1:28:48wicked people.

1:28:54Let's treat each other properly

1:28:59as prophecy demands us to.

1:29:04Let's pray. I'm sorry I went over time.

1:29:09Holy God, you've already heard my

1:29:12prayer,

1:29:15the teachers.

1:29:17And for those of us who are listening,

1:29:23we know that these things are

1:29:25complicated.

1:29:29Let us have faith

1:29:34in the belief

1:29:36that you have led this movement.

1:29:40You will continue to the end.

1:30:15that the truth will prevail

1:30:19in Jesus name. Amen.

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