Susan Kokinda: The Hidden Globalist War Against America #044

0:00All right, guys. Welcome back to the

0:01D'vory Darkens Show. Our guest today was

0:03originally on the show a month or so

0:05ago, and I'm happy to have her back, and

0:07that is Susan Kokenda. Uh she is the

0:10leader with Prometheian Action, a

0:11political commentator, economic

0:14nationalist, and also someone who I

0:16appreciate her analysis on geopolitics

0:18and what's really happening in the

0:20Middle East, which is one of the reasons

0:21why we wanted to have her on the show

0:23again. How are you doing, uh Susan?

0:25Thank you for being here.

0:27>> I'm doing great. Good to be back.

0:29>> Absolutely. So, it's six months into

0:32what's happening with Iran. So, help us

0:34understand, me and my audience, what is

0:36the latest update and where do you see

0:39this going?

0:41>> Well, I think the most important thing

0:42for people to understand about this is

0:45that it's not actually about Iran. Uh,

0:49obviously it is. You know, you have a

0:52country which has been run by the IRGC

0:56and which has threatened the world with

0:58terrorism, nuclear weapons and economic

1:01warfare in terms of how they use the

1:03straight of Hormuz as an economic choke

1:05point. But that is just a cog in a

1:08larger machine which is this globalist

1:11system uh which has run the world uh

1:15increasingly in the recent post-war

1:18period using primarily

1:21flows of money uh uh manipulation of

1:25nations controls of cho choke points

1:28like the straight of Hormuse for the

1:30purpose of keeping the globalist system

1:33in place. That is really the ultimate

1:36target of what this administration is

1:38taking on. So when people look at it

1:41from the standpoint of, well, why didn't

1:43we just bomb them back to the Stone Age

1:45and get it over with? Uh they're not

1:48looking at the entire battlefield.

1:51They're looking at just one uh one

1:54particular flank in that battle. So if

1:57if you look at it from the standpoint

1:59that what President Trump wants to do is

2:02create stability in the Middle East uh

2:05first of all eliminate terrorist regimes

2:08or force terrorist regimes to change

2:11their stripes like he's done with Syria

2:15um eliminate these regimes create a

2:17circumstance where nations can act as as

2:21he and JD Vance and and other members of

2:23the administration have said as

2:25responsible members mbers of the

2:26community of nations. Okay. So, how do

2:29you And look, we did it in Venezuela

2:31pretty quickly, pretty easily. Took

2:33what? 48 minutes. [laughter]

2:35>> Uh because there all you had to do is

2:37pull out Maduro. Well, you can't just

2:39pull out the IRGC. So, it is taken

2:42longer and it is taking longer. But the

2:44president's intention is not to destroy

2:47this nation, is not to do some kind of

2:49artificial regime change which will lead

2:51to further chaos and instability and

2:53will continue to uh destabilize the

2:56entire region. So, you know, without

3:00being able to forecast precisely how the

3:03IRGC would respond, I mean, my friend

3:05General Blaine Holt has a very good

3:07phrase that people should always

3:09remember. When you're in a war, the

3:10enemy has a vote. So the IRGC is not

3:14giving up easily. Uh so first we carried

3:17out the kinetic and we destroyed their

3:20ability to threaten the region to

3:22threaten Europe. Uh and and we've

3:25increasingly destroyed their ability to

3:26control the strait. Uh because as

3:29Secretary Wright has pointed out, we're

3:31escorting ships through with their

3:33transponders off. Uh I think it's up to

3:3610 million barrels a day. I think that's

3:38the figure. Um, and we're on our way to

3:41the straight actually being opened up

3:42again. So now, what's the next phase of

3:44this? Well, how do you dislodge the IRGC

3:48without again turning the country into a

3:51parking lot and creating a huge refugee

3:53crisis? This is where the chief um uh

3:58figure I think in this entire affair

4:00comes in and that's Treasury Secretary

4:02Scott Besson. Um and Bessant has

4:06announced as of a couple of days ago

4:08operation economic outcast which is to

4:12cut off whatever rem remaining financial

4:14and economic flows are going in there

4:17that are keeping the IRGC propped up.

4:20And it's important for people to know

4:22the IRGC was not just a military

4:24operation. It actually controlled about

4:2660% of the Iranian economy. So it's not

4:31just a question of destroying their

4:32ability to fight. It's a question of

4:34destroying their ability to function

4:36economically and that's what this

4:38economic strangulation is. But again, it

4:41gets back to the larger question of is

4:44Iran really the target or is it this

4:47globalist financier elite which is

4:50headquartered in London, the city of

4:52London uh and is really the brand name

4:55for what people generically call

4:57globalism. And if you look at Besson's

5:00press conference announcing Operation

5:03Economic Outcast at the very last

5:06question he was asked by a reporter was

5:09well you're announcing these sanctions

5:11but you're not imply you're not applying

5:13them immediately.

5:14Um you know why are you giving ENT

5:17countries or financial entities or other

5:19people time to uh stop financing the

5:24IRGC.

5:25And Bessant said, 'Well, we want to give

5:28them a grace period to essentially do

5:30the right thing. And then he said, and

5:32this is very important. He said, what do

5:34you want me to do? Collapse the whole

5:36global financial system? Now, stop and

5:38think about what that means. He's saying

5:42that these illegal black money flows

5:45that have kept the IRGC going, that run

5:49their shadow fleets, that have allowed

5:51the flow of oil to continue outside of

5:54regular areas, that if you pull the plug

5:57on that cold turkey, you could collapse

6:00the entire global financial system. What

6:02does that tell you? Tells you the global

6:04financial system is essentially an

6:06outlaw system. And that's how I would

6:09describe globalism as an outlaw system.

6:12That's the target.

6:14>> Yeah. So there there's a lot there and I

6:16want to make sure my audience is

6:17catching up to you. What do you make of

6:21uh essentially we're about, you know, 70

6:24or 60 days or so to the midterms.

6:28Do you think this is going to have any

6:30effect on that? And do you think the

6:32administration's already accepted what

6:34that potential effect could be?

6:37Well, that's a good question. Very

6:38[clears throat] good question. Um, I I

6:41think we will see some further

6:45resolution of this in the immediate

6:48period ahead because what Vessant is

6:50doing is really quite devastating. And

6:53if you look at some of the key Iranian

6:55negotiators in recent days, they're

6:58basically saying in not so many words,

7:01hey, we're not going to be able to keep

7:02keep going. Uh but but but again I'm not

7:06going to get ahead of my skis in terms

7:08of forecasting when and how and so on

7:11because we've seen again the enemy has a

7:13vote and it's going to be up to how the

7:14IRGC ultimately responds or is weakened

7:18so that other people can respond. Um the

7:21fact that we are moving oil through the

7:23straight has already brought gas prices

7:26down not to where they were before this

7:29started uh but in many places below $4.

7:32that's where they are here in Michigan

7:33at this point and I think in some places

7:36even lower than you have the poor poor

7:38folks in California but that's a

7:40completely different story. Uh but I you

7:43know it it is I think it is going to

7:45impact I think the president understands

7:48as as he said you know things were going

7:50swimmingly but we had to do this

7:53>> and I think it's characteristic of

7:56President Trump that he does things that

7:59have to be done strategically or

8:01economically despite the political

8:03consequences. I mean that's the mark of

8:06a true leader and a true president. Now,

8:09I think this administration is going to

8:11be pivoting very very heavily in the

8:14immediate period ahead on what the

8:17actual economic successes of this

8:19administration are. Uh the midterm

8:22convention is in less than two weeks in

8:25Dallas. I just saw I'm going and I just

8:28saw the um the agenda and it is heavily

8:32focused on what Trump is doing to bring

8:35manufacturing back the working class.

8:38These kinds of questions that address

8:41the key sector of our electorate that we

8:46have to make sure come out to vote for

8:48and come out to vote for Donald Trump.

8:50So I think they're going to be t I think

8:52they're going to be pivoting very

8:53heavily to make clear that you are in

8:58the middle of a dramatic transformation.

9:02Now the fact that you're in the middle

9:03of it means you're not at the end of it.

9:05At that end of that transformation we're

9:08going to have rebuilt a middle class, a

9:10working class. We're going to have an

9:12economy where one income can raise a

9:13family. That is not going to be here by

9:16November. Donald Trump knows that. But I

9:19think what they are committed to doing

9:21and one of the things that I do all the

9:23time is try and focus people on the fact

9:26that you have been living in a failed

9:28economy for the past 30 to 40 years

9:31because of globalization, because of

9:33free trade, because of crazy green

9:35policies, because of of this policy of

9:39sacrificing everything on the altar of a

9:41financial elite and just gutting your

9:44physical economy. And and this this is

9:46what has shaped people's lives. This is

9:48what has taken away their ability to

9:50support themselves. This is where the

9:52affordability crisis comes from. It's

9:54not anything Donald Trump did with

9:56Canada last week or that he did with

9:58Iran 6 months ago. The affordability

10:01crisis is that we've had the globalist

10:03running our economy pretty much up until

10:062024 because in Trump's first term, he

10:09was able to do a limited number of

10:11things. But because he was under attack,

10:13because he didn't really have the

10:15cabinet that was with him and on his

10:18side, it was partial and it was

10:20temporary. So, it almost had to start

10:22over in 2024 with this enormous

10:26undertaking of shifting our economy back

10:30to what we've described as the American

10:32system, where you measure your economy

10:34based on what you produce, not how much

10:36money somebody clocks in some hedge

10:39fund. And that takes time because it

10:41takes time to build the the manu the the

10:43facilities. It takes time to retrain

10:46your workforce. It takes time to reshore

10:48the supply chains. We're doing all of

10:51it. What they're doing is actually

10:54enormous. It's amazing when you look at

10:57this administration is doing. Not that

10:59anybody in the media is going to

11:00actually tell you, but it takes time.

11:03So, so the challenge is can can enough

11:06of us communicate to the American

11:09people, you're in a war and sometimes in

11:12a war you're going to be sacrificing

11:14temporarily

11:16in order to win the war. What's winning

11:18the war?

11:20recovering our economy and creating this

11:24kind of durable,

11:26productive economy where you can

11:27legitimately look at your children and

11:29grandchildren and say, "Yeah, I'm giving

11:31you a world where you can have a better

11:33life than I can." Because we all know

11:35for the past several generations, you

11:37haven't been able to do that. So, I I

11:40think the Trump administration is

11:41conscious of this. Uh I think that's why

11:44they're having a midterm. I think that's

11:46why JD Vance is out on the campaign

11:48trail giving the kind of speeches that

11:50he's giving where he talks about the

11:52devastation, not just the economic, but

11:54the cultural devastation to these

11:56communities that lost their

11:58manufacturing, that lost their economic

12:00foundations. Um, so I think they're

12:03conscious of that. And however this

12:06conflict with Iran unfolds over the next

12:11less than 80 days at this point, I think

12:13they're factoring that in. And again, I

12:16think really the question is, are people

12:18going to make their decisions not from

12:19the standpoint of what is the price of

12:23beef today,

12:25but what do I want the price of beef to

12:27be in a year or two years? and what do I

12:31want my economy to look like for my

12:32children and my grandchildren? You know,

12:34if they make a decision, an informed

12:37decision from the standpoint of

12:38understanding what this administration

12:40is doing in terms of this titanic shift,

12:44then we'll weather the immediate pain

12:48points that people are fe feeling.

12:50Nobody can deny that.

12:52Yeah, I um am very uh appreciative of

12:56your perspective on that because I think

12:58that is the challenge is how do you

13:00communicate that to the American people

13:01when uh what's happening with Iran um

13:06isn't something that they can

13:07technically see, hear, taste, touch

13:09right on their kitchen table. Um and so

13:12that that it's just an interesting

13:14dynamic that you know this this road

13:16that the president has gone down like

13:18you were uh detailing in regards to

13:21finally dealing with the threats of glo

13:23globalism and how it's decimated the

13:26working class. Um let me know if you

13:28agree with this um this uh insight. So

13:30for me what I'd like to tell my audience

13:32is you know you you can't make a radical

13:35change without some pain. Right? So

13:38there's this transition that we're

13:40looking to achieve here with the working

13:42class with tariffs for an example. It's

13:45there's going to be some level of pain.

13:47And I think that's the problem with

13:48America at times is we say we want

13:51something but then when we're presented

13:54with what the cost is going to be now

13:56we're not as you know sometimes we don't

13:58have the stomach for that. Uh and and I

14:01and I think that the intentions are

14:03great. Um, I just I'm not too sure of

14:06whether or not America can stomach the

14:08price. Is that is that fair to does that

14:10make sense?

14:11>> That's Yeah, that's probably the right

14:13political calculus. Um, you know, and I

14:15think the important thing is for people

14:17to realize this is not politics. you

14:21know, if people come to the midterm

14:22elections just from your usual political

14:25campaigning and the issues and oh my

14:28god, the ads, we know what we're all

14:30about to be subjected to uh for the next

14:33several months. Uh but if they approach

14:35it from the standpoint that we've been

14:36at war, our country's been under attack.

14:39You know, Marco Rubio when he spoke at

14:41Munich earlier this year, uh he made a

14:44very important statement. He said

14:46de-industrialization was a deliberate

14:49policy.

14:50Now, you know, he didn't take it the

14:51next step, but it was pretty obvious.

14:53This administration understands

14:55de-industrialization

14:56was a deliberate policy of the global

14:59financier elite of what we call the

15:02modern-day British imperial system. Um,

15:05that's an attack on our economy. This is

15:08a war.

15:10This midterm election is not about

15:11politics. This is this is a question of

15:14whether we're going to be able to

15:16reestablish our economic sovereignty

15:18from a hostile force which wants to

15:21destroy us. They do want to destroy us.

15:24And by the way, you look at some of the

15:26statements of some of these Canadian

15:28cabinet ministers in the wake of the

15:31tariff uh the you know the trade trade

15:33war which is now blown up. Um one of

15:36them uh uh the industry minister I just

15:39saw a press conference she did the other

15:41day. She explicitly said, "We are

15:44targeting states. This is political.

15:46They are trying to impact the midterm

15:48elections by increasing the pain and

15:51hoping that people flinch before we we

15:54consummate this war." And you know, to

15:56the larger point, I would just ask

15:58people to think um think of that soldier

16:01freezing at Valley Forge and think of

16:04the the think of the sacrifices he was

16:07being asked to make. very possibly the

16:09sacrifice of his life for something

16:12which had never been done before for the

16:16most glorious but abstract idea in human

16:20history. And they did not conduct

16:24themselves on a daily basis from the

16:26standpoint of how they felt that day.

16:28They conducted themselves in an

16:30extraordinary way to fight for something

16:32that had never been done before and

16:34bequaf us this nation. Which is why I

16:37think it's important for people to

16:38recognize that this is a war. It's not

16:40about politics. It's not about what your

16:42social media feed says today. It's about

16:45are we gonna get our country back.

16:48>> Yeah. You know, uh Susan, you should

16:50probably be the person communicating for

16:52the administration. [laughter] And I'm

16:55not heard that

16:57>> I'm not throwing a dig at them. It's

16:58just, you know, I think um sometimes

17:01having someone who isn't uh essentially

17:04uh, you know, every minute insider

17:07around the president, but having more of

17:08someone who's outside in touch with uh

17:11you know, you know, the the community in

17:13America, I think is better uh suited to

17:16articulate and and that's why I

17:18appreciate your your point of view on

17:20this because it's it just makes total

17:22sense to me. Uh, okay. So, let's go back

17:24to Scott Besson because I think you

17:26touched on something that is key and

17:27also again another thing that should be

17:29communicated more often for people is so

17:32there's this military approach that

17:33we've obviously have done for over the

17:35you know as as we've been there. Um, but

17:38now there's this e economic thing right

17:40which is what the president had put up

17:41on truth social called economic D-Day

17:43and you know all of this is going to

17:46happen and now we see uh Scott Besson

17:48taking those steps. H how long do you

17:50think what they're doing is going to

17:52finally show up in some tangible results

17:54to report back to the American people as

17:56far as the economic plan?

17:59>> Well, I don't have any insider

18:01intelligence in terms of specifically

18:04what's going on on the ground in Iran

18:06with the IRGC.

18:08I I I will I will hypothesize the

18:11following. I think the president and his

18:14team probably do have that and have

18:18chosen the timing on this very

18:20deliberately so that you will begin to

18:23see something tangible I I would suspect

18:27unfolding over the next couple of weeks.

18:30Look, in terms of the midterms, because

18:32that's obviously what's in the back of

18:34everybody's mind, you know, I is is the

18:37oil price monkey going to get off the

18:39back of the American people so that it,

18:41you know, it doesn't put that kind of

18:42negative pressure on the midterms. Well,

18:45here in Michigan, absentee ballots go

18:47out in about a month. And I'm sure it's

18:49similar in many parts of the country.

18:51So, the reality of midterm elections is

18:55it's not it's not the first Tuesday in

18:58November. It's pretty much starts by the

19:01end of Septe and some places are even

19:03crazier. I think Virginia starts I don't

19:05know the middle of September which is

19:07absurd because why do you want to have

19:10people making decisions that early um

19:13when

19:14anything could change and suddenly

19:16somebody the light bulbs may go on in

19:18somebody's mind or here in Michigan we

19:20saw it where you had a couple of leading

19:21candidates drop out very close to

19:24election day and people who had cast

19:26their ballots for those candidates

19:28either had to go cure their ballot to

19:30vote again or their votes were

19:31meaningless you know absentee early

19:34absentee voting is absurd. We all know

19:36that. But that's the world that we're

19:37living in. So from that standpoint, I

19:40think this administration is thinking I

19:42think their timeline is between now and

19:45the end of September

19:48um to begin to come up with some really

19:51really big deliverables.

19:53So that's the only way I can kind of

19:56calibrate back without knowing on the

20:00ground the effect that this is going to

20:02have in terms of the IRGC. But what

20:04Bessant is doing is big and is

20:07unprecedented.

20:09So you know they're not tiptoeing up to

20:12this.

20:12>> Got it. Got it. Yeah, I appreciate that.

20:15Uh so then let's go to um what we see

20:19the Democrat party essentially trying to

20:22um in my opinion um they're all over the

20:25place because they have this whole

20:26internal situation with DSA and so it

20:29seems like the administration's focus on

20:31globally this entire situation that's

20:33obviously going through Iran as you

20:35pointed out and Democrats are trying to

20:38set up this own fight with the president

20:40and his administration. Um, what is your

20:43message for America in regards to what

20:45Democrats are struggling through right

20:47now? On one hand, they keep trying to

20:49get people to believe that socialism is

20:51a viable option, and we've always had

20:52socialism. Um, but on the other hand,

20:55some of them are are trying to walk this

20:58this tight line of we don't really

21:00support it because we're a big tent

21:02party, but we still want you to listen

21:03to them. It's it's craziness. So, what

21:06what what is your message for for voters

21:08out there? I'm in Texas, which is why

21:09I'm really interested to hear what to

21:11say.

21:12>> Right. No, I think the message has to be

21:15keep your eye on the ball. The issue is

21:18the the the much more fundamental issues

21:21of the economy and I would also say

21:23secondarily education. I mean, if you

21:25look at the Senate campaign here in

21:28Michigan with Mike Rogers uh and with

21:31Abdul El Say and I did like your piece

21:33on Abdul a couple of days ago.

21:35>> Oh, I appreciate that. [laughter]

21:36I reposted it. Um, uh, you know, you you

21:41I I I think you see it in the in the

21:42starkkest relief and and I think I'll be

21:45honest, I think Rogers is doing a much

21:47better job communicating what needs to

21:49be communicated than you're seeing there

21:51in in Texas with Ken Paxton because

21:54Rogers is communicating the fundamental

21:56economic questions. and the fact that um

22:01the the the the the so-called

22:03affordability crisis again it isn't

22:05something that Donald Trump created

22:08you know in the since he's come in or

22:10since he started the conflict with Iran

22:12or since the trade war with Canada this

22:15thing is a result of 2030 years of

22:19disinvestment in the United States and

22:22bringing manufacturing back bringing the

22:25kind of bluecollar jobs where one income

22:27can raise a family, addressing the

22:28education crisis, which is horrible here

22:31in Michigan. We went from the top 10 to

22:3446 or 47 in the country in terms of

22:37education, which means you can't have a

22:39workforce, which means so many of your

22:41children don't have a future because

22:43they can't even read at a fourth grade

22:45level. that that I think is what cuts

22:48across the nonsense coming from people

22:53like Abdul Alied and the DSA and so on

22:56who are playing off of the fact that

22:59globalism doesn't work and people are

23:02suffering as a result of globalism and

23:05they want to and they're all they're all

23:07subsets of the globalists. So they want

23:10to shift the blame to Donald Trump and

23:12the Republicans for the reason that

23:14people are feeling continuing to feel

23:16economic distress, which they are.

23:19There's no question about that. Um, and

23:21I think the message has to be get smart.

23:26Look at where these problems came from.

23:28These problems did not come from

23:29anything that's happened in the last 16

23:31months. You have to go back more than 16

23:34years. You have to go back to NAFTA. You

23:36have to go to the huge speculative

23:38bubbles that were built up in the 90s

23:40and the beginning of the 20th century

23:42which burst in 2008 and then the

23:46Democrats like DoddFrank and Elizabeth

23:49Warren bailed out that bubble while you

23:53you know you lost your house and you

23:55lost any chance for a future. So I think

23:57the message has to be you got to place

24:00yourself in reality. You've got to place

24:03yourself in what is the history? What

24:06what what happened to us where we went

24:10from Detroit having the highest per

24:12capita standard of living in the country

24:13in 1960 which was $8,400

24:17highest in the country because you had

24:19bluecollar workers who on one auto

24:22worker's wage owned a house could raise

24:2612 kids if they wanted to and still buy

24:29a place up north after about 20 years.

24:32What took that away from us? I I think

24:35that has to be the message because what

24:38took that away from us is what the

24:40Democrats are continuing to defend

24:43and what Donald Trump is actually

24:46fighting. And again, I think the best

24:49the best spokesman in this

24:50administration in terms of messaging on

24:53that is JD Vance. You know, if you

24:55listen to his recent two speeches,

24:56Middleton and Maine, Middleton, Ohio and

25:00Maine, he's he's messaging that message.

25:02So, I I think I think there are people

25:04who are messaging it.

25:07>> Yeah. Uh that's such a good point

25:09because

25:10essentially I had a debate earlier

25:12actually on Fox News about that. And you

25:14know, Democrats keep telling people,

25:16"Hey, we will fix the broken health care

25:18system." They're literally telling on

25:20themselves. So, you guys broke the

25:21health care system. and you want you

25:23want people to put you back in power so

25:25you can break it again. And they use the

25:27same principle with the economy and they

25:29say they're for the working class, but

25:31as you just pointed out, NAFTA and other

25:33policies throughout time has been behind

25:35the Democrats and essentially abandoning

25:37the the working class. So, I think it's

25:39such a great opening for the re

25:41Republican party. I think it's an

25:42opportunity for them to really make the

25:44case and remind people, like you stated,

25:46of the history. Uh, and that's what

25:48we've been trying to do as as much as we

25:50can on on the show. Um, so h having said

25:53that, um, and and we'll we're going to

25:55move to, uh, uh, this other thing with

25:57Canada, but I just want to make sure

25:59people get this from you. Going into the

26:01midterms, the number one question, what

26:03should people be asking themselves?

26:06>> I think people should be asking

26:07themselves, what do I want this country

26:09to look like in two to four years? Not

26:12not, what do I feel right now? Not the

26:15fact that gasoline may still be $3.50 a

26:19barrel. I I mean I think it's I think it

26:21is going to you know titrate itself down

26:24over the immediate period but you know

26:27don't don't don't make your decision

26:29from the standpoint of today. You know

26:32people people have to think more about

26:36the process of history that they're

26:38living in and make their decisions from

26:41the standpoint of the future that they

26:43want for themselves and their children.

26:46That's that I think is is is where we

26:49have to get enough people's minds

26:52because it's going to it we all know

26:54what elections are like. I mean,

26:57everybody is about to be bombarded

27:00with

27:01>> with just unbelievable crap and and it

27:04won't just be the Democrats.

27:06>> You know, the the the consultants on

27:08both sides are just going to do their

27:10thing and half the time you watch these

27:12ads and then you want to go take a

27:13shower,

27:14>> right? Yeah. you know, just ignore this

27:16stuff and think about celebrating the

27:20250th

27:22birthday of our country and what what

27:25our founding fathers gave us and what

27:27what those unnamed people bequef to us

27:29and what we are on the verge of losing

27:32>> and what it means for the world if we

27:34keep it. And by the way, I will just

27:36make one recommendation. People should

27:39watch what happened in Houston today

27:42with President Trump, with the

27:44astronauts, with the NASA administrator,

27:47uh, with the announcement that we're

27:49creating a new service academy, the

27:51space academy. Um, and and what the

27:55implication of this is because if you

27:57really want to think about the future,

27:59you know, think about as as Jared

28:01Isaacman, our NASA administrator, once

28:04said, someone said, why do you go to

28:06space? He says, 'Well, there's a lot of

28:08reasons, you know, I mean, I, you know,

28:11philosophical reasons. I think this is

28:13what mankind is meant to do and so on.

28:15He said, 'But there's another reason.

28:17Our sun has an expiration date.

28:20It's and believe me, it's not in your

28:21lifetime or my lifetime, but the sun has

28:23an expiration date. So, if you want

28:25mankind to continue, you actually have

28:28to be you have to think about the

28:29future. So, uh I I recommend that people

28:32watch that event today. I think it's

28:34actually extremely important in terms of

28:36this point.

28:38>> Yeah. Uh just quickly since you brought

28:41up Houston and you made a comparison

28:44with Mike Rogers and and Ken Paxton. So

28:47are you saying according to your point

28:49of view you feel like Mike Rogers has a

28:52better chance than Ken Paxton? I know

28:54I'm putting

28:55>> Well, I think it's I mean

28:56>> I really want to know.

28:57>> Yeah. I mean, we're dealing with two

28:59different states, so I wouldn't say

29:01better chance. Uh, because your state is

29:04nominally red and ours is at best

29:06purple. Uh, but right now, Rogers is

29:09polling either ahead or equal to Elsa.

29:13And his campaign is not just he's a

29:16socialist, he's a radical Islamist, you

29:20know, Hassan I mean, obviously

29:21that that's going to be out there. It's

29:24it's lowhanging fruit. How can you avoid

29:27it? But if that's all the campaign is,

29:29which is this kind of hair on fire,

29:31here's how bad the other guy is, um that

29:34I I don't think that's going to work. Uh

29:37so his campaign is much more focused on

29:41what he wants to bring to Michigan in

29:43terms of the economy, in terms of

29:45education. And from my friends down in

29:48Texas, they report that that is not the

29:50message that Paxton is getting across at

29:52this point. It's just more Taller Rico's

29:55crazy. All true, but how many times do

29:58you say that? You know, and again,

30:01especially here in Michigan, we can't

30:04just rely on getting out the Republican

30:06base. We've got to get out the

30:09independents. We got to win over

30:10Democrats. So, you've actually got to

30:12give them something positive. And that's

30:14the difference that I I I've seen from

30:17what I see on the ground here in

30:19Michigan and what I've heard from my

30:20friends in Texas.

30:22>> Yeah. But do do you think the Republican

30:24party historically has been good at that

30:27as far as messaging is concerned on the

30:29issues? [laughter] Because I was going

30:30to tell you it's very hard. It's a

30:33little hardressed to find them

30:35consistently. I think President Trump is

30:37just happens to be the anomaly. You

30:39know, he comes along.

30:40>> He is the he is the anomaly and and and

30:42his cabinet. I mean, that's what's

30:44different about this second

30:45administration. They are all on point in

30:50terms of this. Peter Navaro, Howard

30:52Lutnik, JD Vance, um you know, Bess

30:56Bessant, [laughter]

30:58>> Bess's a rock star in my book. Uh no,

31:01this this is completely unique and it it

31:03is not the old Republican party. The old

31:06Republican party is the Carl Ro

31:08strategy. It's the Bushes. It's the you

31:10know, it's no different from the rest of

31:12them. It's, you know, it's the

31:13Republican version of the uni party.

31:15Trump and MAGA are completely different.

31:18And uh but the problem you have in

31:22elections is the apparatus that runs the

31:25elections tends to be this old style

31:29apparatus.

31:30So even if you have a good candidate,

31:33they're going to have to fight the

31:34apparatus to do this. Mike Rogers ran an

31:38awful campaign in 2024. I think it was

31:41run by this apparatus. And for whatever

31:44reasons, um perhaps some of it has to do

31:48with the fact that I've been on his case

31:49for a year, but um but also that he

31:52really is the Trump flagship in this

31:55state. And I think his team this time is

31:58the Trump team, not the consultants team

32:00per se. I think that's why he's running

32:02a different campaign. But it's true, the

32:05apparatus is awful, and I haven't seen

32:08enough Republican candidates out there

32:11actually messaging what this

32:13administration is trying to message,

32:15which is why I think they're having a

32:16midterm convention.

32:18>> That makes total sense. Um, yeah, if I

32:21was the president, that's exactly what I

32:23would do [laughter] because he's going

32:25to be able to make the case probably

32:26better than some of them, which

32:28shouldn't happen. You know, they should

32:29be able to make it's their it's their

32:30jurisdiction, right? Their their state.

32:33Um, and uh, it it's just interesting

32:35times. And so I'll leave it with this

32:36and then we'll we'll move on. You know,

32:38I kind of uh keep trying to remind

32:40people that even with all the

32:42criticisms, even with some of the things

32:44we may not agree with the administration

32:45on, I think people are really going to

32:47miss when he leaves because he's the

32:50only person I find to have gone outside

32:53the box and have focused more on results

32:56and not on, you know, the status quo, so

32:59to speak. And so my my I guess final

33:02question on this thing because I just

33:04want to know your your perspective on

33:06this. I didn't see the whole Tucker

33:08Carlson thing on on my bingo card last

33:11year. You know, you know, 2024 was very

33:14simple for everyone. It was a binary

33:16choice, very clear. The message was

33:19clear. And now we're in 2026 and it's

33:21like what happened to the message of the

33:24re Republican party? uh and you have you

33:27know podcasters out there which it's

33:29their prerogative they could do whatever

33:30they want but how do you make sense of

33:32that dynamic uh for people

33:36>> well I think uh in 2024 once it was

33:39clear that Trump was unstoppable

33:42you you had this Trump effect and it was

33:45clear that you were not going to get

33:47anywhere if you line by certainly by the

33:50time of the Butler assassination attempt

33:53if not before right the Trump train was

33:55not going to be stopped and a lot of

33:57people jumped on board perhaps some of

33:59them for pragmatic reasons. Um some of

34:02them who were swept up in this and then

34:06something happened which unswept them

34:08and so on. But all along I warned about

34:11not just rhinos but trinos trumpers in

34:14name only.

34:15>> Wow. [laughter]

34:18>> I've never heard of that.

34:19>> Graphic use a triceratops. [laughter]

34:23I love it.

34:24>> Um,

34:24>> yeah, use it. You're you're free to use

34:26it. Uh, and and I think what you're now

34:29seeing is that the Trumpers in name only

34:32are coming out of their caves, you know,

34:35and again, I think for different

34:36reasons. I think some of them are just

34:38grifters. Um, and their actual normal

34:41grift is coming out with Tucker. I don't

34:43know. Honestly, if you look at his his

34:46real shift, it was after Charlie Kirk's

34:48assassination. And you could make a case

34:50that he just became psychologically

34:52terrified. He was close to Charlie. And

34:55you you just have a kind of collapse at

34:57that point. You know, I'm not a

34:58psychiatrist. I'm not going to go any

35:00further with that because I I I don't

35:03feel confident to characterize why he

35:05did what he did. Um I don't think he was

35:08a Trumper in name only. I think what he

35:10did in 24 was legitimate, but something

35:12happened, something changed. Um so that

35:16doesn't surprise me. Uh, and honestly, I

35:20I'd be just as happy to be able to shed

35:23those people and have the real MAGA base

35:27and build that RA MAGA base

35:30>> with new layers coming in. Let me

35:33mention one thing before we turn to the

35:35uh uh next topic here in Michigan. Uh,

35:39one of our black city council women in

35:41Detroit took it upon herself to have

35:44breakfast with Mike Rogers and make it

35:46public. And that was like big news,

35:49right?

35:50>> Um, and the interviewer asked her,

35:52"Well, what do you think Detroititers

35:54should do visav these candidates?" And

35:56she said, "I want them to think for

35:57themselves. I want them to listen to all

36:00of the candidates and make their

36:02decisions themselves." She said, "It's

36:04time for people to get off the

36:05Democratic plantation."

36:08>> Yeah.

36:08>> Right. And you know, once people get off

36:10their plantations, whether it's the

36:12Democratic plantation or whatever, and

36:15start thinking for themselves, you could

36:16see the MAGA movement becoming a new

36:20majority movement. And it can shed

36:22itself from the rhinos and the trinos

36:24and the bushies and whatever you want to

36:27name them. And you actually have the

36:29party of Abraham Lincoln reborn, which

36:32Trump is very conscious of.

36:34>> Yeah. It's so fascinating because I I

36:37was thinking this morning, Abdul has

36:38bigger issues than Hassan The

36:40fact that that uh that Democrat in um uh

36:44in in his own state is campaigning on

36:46behalf of Mike Rogers uh and is in front

36:49of the camera without hesitation

36:50explaining why. I mean, that that's some

36:52serious stuff. Um, okay. So, Mark

36:55Carney, it it's so interesting that we

36:57have to talk about Canada again because,

36:59you know, it seemed to be this whole

37:02thing last year and then it kind of went

37:04quiet for a while and then all of a

37:06sudden we're back to where we kind of

37:08left off where with Doug Premier or Doug

37:11Ford going on CNN and bashing the

37:12president all the time and Mark

37:14Carney's, you know, essentially trying

37:16to get people to believe that President

37:17Trump is a is a villain and he's the

37:19bully. And you have people who are

37:21Canadian who actually disagree with all

37:22of this. that they actually support the

37:24president, which is interesting. So,

37:25what do you think US and Canada's

37:28relationship should be? And what do you

37:31think President Trump's intentions are?

37:34>> Well, when you're talking about Canada,

37:36the first thing you have to

37:38differentiate is between Canada and Mark

37:40Carney. Uh can Mark Carney does not

37:44represent the best interests of Canada,

37:46right?

37:46>> Mark Carney is the central banker,

37:48central banker. Uh he is their point

37:50man. and since Davos of this year where

37:53he gave the speech where he said the

37:56post-war rules-based order is over. Uh

37:58there is a rupture. We have no

38:00relationship with the United States. Uh

38:03it's over. He's been handed the mantle

38:06of what they call globalism 2.0. And the

38:09main purpose of globalism 2.0 is to try

38:12and destroy Donald Trump. So that that

38:15that's how you have to start in terms of

38:17looking at that, which again has nothing

38:19to do with the interests of the Canadian

38:22people. So um

38:24>> I I just want to say they're going to

38:25make the same mistake the Democrat party

38:28made by obsessing over him. They're

38:29going to essentially um they're they're

38:34they're not going to be able to deliver

38:35anything. And so there's going to be

38:36some backlash from that.

38:38>> There is. But I I think they're very

38:40conscious. I think this is an attempt to

38:42try and and and as um the Canadian

38:46industry minister said um uh Melanie

38:50Jolie she said specifically we are

38:52targeting this new round of tariffs on

38:56specific states this is a political

39:00strategy so this doesn't have anything

39:02to do with economics I think they are

39:04trying to increase the pain points in

39:07key states in the United States and try

39:09and influence inuence the midterm

39:11elections. Now, if you look at the team

39:13around Carney, it's a very, very

39:16interesting team. Back in February, he

39:19appointed uh a woman here from the

39:22United States, Maya Johnson, an

39:24American, and he gave her a position in

39:27the prime minister's office. I think it

39:28was called United States Stakeholder

39:32Strategy. Well, that tells you what that

39:34was all about. And then in July of this

39:36year, he created a new office, chief

39:38operating officer in the prime

39:41minister's office, and this American

39:43woman is the head of it. Who is she? She

39:45was on Hillary Clinton's campaign. She

39:48was on Michael Bloomberg's campaign. She

39:50was tied to both Biden and Camela

39:53Harris. So, you have an American

39:56operative operating out of the prime

39:59minister's office. What is her purpose?

40:01her purpose is how do you strategically

40:03intervene into the United States? Then

40:06you have this industry minister who gave

40:08a speech a couple back in July in London

40:12and she said, "Oh yeah, well I'm also

40:14running around the United States meeting

40:16with people, mostly Democrats."

40:19So you you've got a Canadian industry

40:21minister who says, you know, we're

40:23politically targeting states and she's

40:26meeting with Democrats and then you've

40:28had numbers of meetings between Carney

40:30and Obama. Um one a couple of months ago

40:33in early summer and I believe they just

40:35met again recently. Um uh I hadn't

40:39confirmed that yet, but a number of

40:40people had pointed out that there was a

40:42recent meeting between Obama and Carney.

40:45So you you have to look at Mark Carney

40:48not as the premier of Canada. You have

40:51to look at him as the chief executive

40:54officer of globalism 2.0. And there will

40:57be a hostile relationship between him

40:59and the United States as long as he's in

41:01office.

41:02That's really a shame because, [cough]

41:04excuse me, [clears throat] they had uh

41:06Pierre, it was who potentially had a

41:10chance to become uh or obviously head up

41:13Canada and that fell through immediately

41:15as as soon as I guess he refused to uh I

41:20don't know if it was get along with

41:21President Trump or even appear to get

41:22along with President Trump, but when

41:24that all went down, I realized none of

41:26these guys are actually serious in

41:27saving Canada. Uh they're more obsessed

41:29with attacking President Trump. I I I

41:32just don't see the ROI on that. I mean,

41:34if you're going to obsess over one man,

41:37that there has to be a cost to that. I I

41:39just don't think it's worth it.

41:41>> Well, again, it's not if for the

41:43Canadian people, but that's not their

41:44job.

41:45>> Yeah. Yeah.

41:46>> Carney's job is to stop Trump.

41:48>> Yeah. So, where do you where do you see

41:50this uh trade war going then, if you had

41:54to estimate?

41:54>> Well, it is going to inflict an awful

41:57lot of economic pain on Canada. far far

42:00far far more than it will the United

42:02States. Um I saw Howard Lutnik on an

42:05interview the other day. You know, he

42:07just described how how absurd Carney's

42:11claims are because all of the things

42:13that Carney is claiming blew up the

42:15trade talks uh either were not on the

42:18agenda like this whole thing about the

42:20French language uh or were brought up at

42:224:00 on Friday afternoon, you know, the

42:25day the talks broke down, you know, had

42:27not been negotiated at all. So, this was

42:30clearly just a deliberate policy to blow

42:33these things up. Um I think one of the

42:35interesting figures in this whole thing

42:37is Christia Freeland uh who had been a f

42:40foreign minister. She had actually been

42:43the person who negotiated the NAFTA

42:45USMCA shift. Um but she now has this

42:49very interesting position which is as an

42:51unpaid volunteer economic adviser to

42:54Ukraine, a Canadian. So she's pretty

42:58high up in the globalist food chain. Um

43:01and she weighed in very strongly in the

43:04interim period between Tuesday when

43:07Trump and his team came out and said,

43:09"We have a deal with Canada." Uh we

43:13still have some tees to cross and some

43:15eyes to dot, but we have a deal. Um then

43:19uh Freeland took time off from doing

43:22whatever she's doing in Ukraine, which

43:24is keeping the war going, uh to denounce

43:28Carney for capitulating.

43:31And then the next thing you know, boom,

43:34Carney is blowing up these trade talks

43:36for no discernable reason. Um I think

43:39that's really the driving dynamic. Now,

43:42Lutnik threw something else in. He said,

43:44"Well, Canada's got bi-elections in

43:46October. and he forecasts

43:47[clears throat] that as soon as those

43:49bi-elections are over, the Canadians are

43:50going to come scrambling back to the

43:52table and try and get some kind of deal

43:54and save some face. I don't know if that

43:57is the major factor. I'm sure it is

43:59something of a contributing factor, but

44:01I don't think Canada is going to be able

44:04to hold its own on this. The pain on

44:06this is going to be enormous. Um, so the

44:09the question is how much that is going

44:11to affect

44:13Mr. Carney's position as chief executive

44:16officer of globalism 2.0.

44:20>> That's a phenomenal read because they're

44:22already um hurting people in Canada. I

44:25[laughter] mean the the the taxes are

44:28outrageous. So any level of increase is

44:30definitely going to hurt. I want to do

44:32uh just a a quick rapid fire with

44:34you if you don't mind. Um sure. Iran war

44:38by the end of will end by the end of

44:40this year. Yes or no?

44:44Well, I think the kinetic war has ended.

44:46Uh, will we have will we have tamed the

44:50regime by the end of this year? That's a

44:52pretty complicated question, but I think

44:54I think the regime will be neutered

44:57>> by the end of this year.

44:58>> Okay, here here's a good one. Rate hike

45:01or rate cut

45:03this year?

45:04>> Uh, I just listened to Kevin Worsh's

45:06speech at Jackson Hole this morning. I

45:08think he's going to hold it steady.

45:11Okay,

45:11>> that's just my guess from from the way I

45:14read his speech.

45:15>> Who do you trust more, Scott Besson or

45:18Kevin Worsh?

45:20>> Oh, I want I'm not going to pick that

45:22one because I think they're I think

45:24they're working with without

45:26compromising the independence of the

45:28Fed. I think they're on the same path.

45:30>> I I I think it's pretty clear based on

45:32all public appearances from Kevin so

45:34far. He's been pretty,

45:36>> you know, low-key, so to speak. Okay, so

45:38Russia, what is going on? is are they

45:40our adversary, our polit our potential

45:43partner or both? How do you see that?

45:47>> Well, I I think again if you look at

45:49this historically, they should be our

45:51partners. Uh Russia as an adversary was

45:55an artifact of British geopolitics.

45:58And once the Soviet Union fell, there

46:01really was no reason for them to

46:02continue to be our adversary. uh that

46:05was a deliberate continuation of

46:08geopolitics where they want to keep the

46:10world divided. So Trump is opposed to

46:12that. I think he wants to have a healthy

46:14relationship with Russia, but we do

46:17still have to resolve this meat grinder

46:19in Ukraine.

46:21>> Uh okay, here's an interesting one. What

46:24would you say is the one threat to

46:26President Trump's agenda? If there was

46:28one, what is the biggest one?

46:30>> His own base getting demoralized.

46:34I think that explains what we were just

46:35talking about in regards to the

46:37internet. Uh, and I I guess we already

46:40went over this, but I wanted to ask you

46:41again anyway. Will Republicans be able

46:43to hold Congress in the midterms?

46:46>> I think if they key off of the issues

46:50that this administration is going to put

46:52front and center and that we're trying

46:53to magnify, I think we can.

46:56>> Awesome. Okay. So I think the best way

47:00to end this um this conversation with

47:02you today uh is we're still on this path

47:06of pushing back against globalism. And

47:08so what are some step some steps even

47:10myself and and others who are watching

47:13as they talk to their friends and their

47:14colleagues? What are some steps that we

47:16can take uh to communicate what is

47:20happening in a very simple way? How

47:21would you lay that out for us if you

47:23could just give us three three items?

47:25Well, I would look at the extent to

47:28which we are trying to reestablish our

47:32own economic sovereignty, whether it's

47:35manufacturing, whether it's cattle

47:37herds, you know, the the the

47:40affordability problem comes from the

47:43fact that we don't produce things here

47:45in the United States, which cuts both

47:47ways. you're not providing what people

47:49need at the at the right kind of price

47:52and you're not providing the kind of

47:53jobs where people where as I keep coming

47:56back to one income can actually raise a

47:59family. So that that's number one

48:01bringing our ability to produce for

48:04ourselves as a nation back home. Um

48:07number two it's a little probably a

48:09little more difficult to communicate but

48:11there is a giant financial bubble out

48:13there. You want to know where inflation

48:14comes from? It comes from the fact that

48:17these financial speculators

48:19make up quadrillions of dollars worth of

48:22financial transactions and they claim

48:24that that's wealth. Um, and I think this

48:26administration is very delicately trying

48:30to uh deflate that bubble. That that

48:33that's a perhaps a little bit more

48:35sophisticated than you're going to have

48:36a discussion with the the average

48:38family. Um I I think and I think the the

48:42third area is uh what kind of education

48:45should we be providing for our children?

48:47And I think not only the destruction of

48:50education where kids can't read, you

48:52know, at a fourth grade level, which is

48:54pandemic over a large part of the United

48:56States, but the fact that we've closed

48:58the door on skilled trades jobs and

49:00skilled trade training. And everywhere I

49:02go, where I give a speech and I talk

49:04about shop class and skilled trades,

49:06it's one of the biggest applause lines I

49:08get because that that intersects this

49:11question of the future. What what kind

49:13of future are you offering for your

49:15children and the question of a

49:17productive economy? I think if people

49:20look into that a little more carefully,

49:22and there's a lot on the White House

49:23website, there's a lot on the Department

49:25of Labor website, Mike Row talks about

49:27this, the dirty jobs guy all the time. I

49:30I think that's I think that's kind of a

49:31hidden area because you you go into the

49:34inner city of Detroit, people understand

49:37if their kid can become an electrician

49:39or a welder or a CNC guy, they're going

49:42to have a future and they're going to be

49:44able to get out of the cycle of poverty.

49:46So that I think that question of the

49:47skilled trades is like the sleeper issue

49:50in this.

49:51>> Yeah. Yeah. And that actually takes us

49:54to um where I want to leave things off

49:57is with the younger generation as we've

49:59already uh essentially agreed to during

50:02earlier uh is how the messaging for the

50:04re Republican party is not always the

50:06best and President Trump has clearly

50:08been able to show that. So how do we

50:10communicate to younger Americans that

50:12the Republican party still is the better

50:15alternative?

50:16Um and that when you're thinking about

50:19the country you want to live in um they

50:23understand that how do

50:25>> well I think with yeah with the younger

50:26population obviously it's different

50:28because they have never lived in a

50:30society that's worked

50:32>> you know whether it's Gen Z uh you know

50:35on on up but you know anybody who's come

50:38to to young adulthood

50:41um since about 2000

50:44has lived in a society that doesn't

50:46work. And that's why socialism is

50:48seductive because it's easy to say,

50:51"Well, this sucks,

50:53>> you know, the jobs aren't there, the

50:55housing isn't there, you know, so

50:57somebody walks in with a fairy tale

50:59about socialism." So I I think the

51:01messaging has to be well what did work?

51:06You know go back to the 1950s and the

51:081960s when you had a functioning society

51:12which was based on a large percentage of

51:14your population engaged in actually

51:16producing things which provided a

51:18standard of living that you know again

51:21one income could raise a family of

51:22however many you wanted to have. Uh

51:25somehow I think we have to get people to

51:27look at the system that has worked and

51:30it does have a name. We discussed it the

51:32last time we were together. It's called

51:34the American system of political economy

51:37and it's not capitalism and it's not

51:39free market free trade Milton Freriedman

51:41and JD Vance is talking about this you

51:44know when he says the Republican party

51:45is moving more toward Hamilton and away

51:48toward Freriedman. And boy did that put

51:50a lot of people's hair on fire. But I

51:53think for the young people figuring out

51:54ways to introduce them to the fact that

51:58we have we we have a system which

52:00actually does work and it has a name.

52:03It's called the American Revolution and

52:04it was even more revolutionary than

52:06anything the socialists ever thought

52:08about because we freed ourselves from

52:10the most powerful empire in the world

52:12and created this great nation with that

52:14system. Figuring out how to message that

52:17is a challenge but I think it's where

52:18the solution lies.

52:20>> Yeah. which is why we've seen the record

52:22number of investment

52:24uh into uh the future data centers and

52:28manufacturing that the president has

52:30been able to secure. But as you stated

52:32earlier, this isn't going to happen by

52:34no November, right? These these things

52:36take time. And I guess that's my you

52:39know what my only concern is, Susan,

52:40that he just doesn't have enough time.

52:42That's really that's really my my big

52:45concern because some of this stuff is

52:46huge transformational.

52:48>> It's it is transformational. It's

52:50generational transformations.

52:53So, uh, but my attitude is always you

52:56fight on the battlefield before you. So,

52:58we know what the time frame is. So,

53:00let's figure out how to cut through the

53:02disorientation or the dis

53:04demoralization, right? And inspire

53:06people.

53:06>> I think the key is inspiring people.

53:10>> Well, Susan, I I appreciate your time

53:12today and I think you definitely uh

53:14continue to inspire people by

53:16articulating what you believe is going

53:18on. And uh I just want to say thank you

53:20for your time today. Always enjoy it.