POD COM DEBOCHE #04 RAFAEL SATIÊ

0:00Come on , it's time for no filters and

0:02no frills . Juliana is on air , sharp and

0:05sassy . The truth comes out , with a

0:07laugh and a sting . It’s starting with

0:09a bit of mockery . Juliana Fidelis , for

0:12sure .

0:15Hey guys , how is everyone doing ?

0:17Juliana Fideles once again on " Pod com

0:20Deboche . " And our guest today , who I

0:23told you was a special guest too . Let's

0:26go , folks , check this out . Councilman ,

0:29pastor , businessman , communicator — man

0:31, he's everything . And today we are

0:36hosting our councilman , Rafael Sati .

0:40What an honor , what an honor to be here

0:41with you , Ju . Man , how cool is this

0:44setup , man . You even have a jingle for

0:45the podcast with her name , man . How

0:47cool . She’s , she’s not kidding

0:48around , is she ? Congratulations on your

0:50work , congratulations on your growth

0:52and your way of communicating . It’s

0:53really great . We live in such a

0:55difficult time , right ? So tough . And

0:57here is someone who communicates with

0:59lightness , simplicity , and a bit of

1:01sass too , right ?

1:03You’ve seen it , right , Zé ? You’ve

1:04seen it , right ? Oh , watch out , because

1:06things are going to get tight today ,

1:08huh ? But let's go , right ? You , as a

1:13Black councilman from the PL , right ?

1:17People always say what ? That Black

1:18people should succeed .

1:20Yes ,

1:20you succeeded ,

1:21yes ,

1:22but why are they against your success

1:24now ? Want to understand , people ?

1:26Because it’s true that the Black

1:28movement has a certain restriction

1:29against the free Black man . Well , they

1:32actually want to trap modern Black

1:34people in an ideological plantation .

1:37The old plantations , the physical ones ,

1:39are in the past , but the Black movement

1:41wants to trap new Black people in

1:42ideological plantations . This makes

1:46them have a serious restriction against

1:48the Black person who doesn't want to

1:50put themselves in this ... in this

1:51ideological cage , in this prison of

1:53thought , let's say . A Black person has

1:56to be on the left , a Black person has

1:58to be a Lula supporter , a Black person

2:00has to be from the favela , a Black

2:02person has to wear clothes from Africa .

2:03No , one thing has nothing to do with

2:05the other . Today they've created a

2:08package where if a Black person isn't

2:09exactly what they want them to be , then

2:11that Black person is wrong . That Black

2:14person is not a " real " Black person —

2:15which is what happens to me . They call

2:17me a " captain of the woods , " a Black

2:18man with a white soul , and all the rest

2:20. I always explain to them : the people

2:22who wanted that to happen were exactly

2:24the slaveholders , wanting Black people

2:26to stay in a little place where nobody

2:28would take them out of . In other words ,

2:31these Black people in the Black

2:33movement , they are worse than the slave

2:35owners who enslaved Black people in the

2:37past .

2:38Guys , that's heavy , right ? But anyway ,

2:41tell us who Rafael Satia is , because we

2:43wanted to change things , everyone

2:44starts with : " Who is Rafael Satia ? " No ,

2:46now it's like this , who is Rafael Satia

2:47? Tell us a little bit of your history ,

2:49because sometimes people say : " Oh , a

2:50Black person with a white soul . " But

2:52nobody knows our history , right ? For

2:53example , today I have my podcast , I

2:55have my structure , but nobody knows

2:56Juliana's story before they come and

2:57say that we , you know ?

2:58True . That's true . It's true . The truth

3:01is that Rafael is the son of Roseli

3:03Conceição da Silva , a.k.a. my mother ,

3:05born and raised there in Morro do

3:07Encontro , in the Lins complex , and also

3:09in the Jacarezinho complex . I am the

3:12son of a very dysfunctional family ,

3:13right ? The classic dysfunctional family

3:15in Rio de Janeiro , in the capital .

3:18Favela , outskirts , that whole thing . My

3:22father was a drug dealer for a long

3:23time and was imprisoned , actually

3:25stayed in prison for 8 years in the

3:26correctional system . My brother also

3:28ended up getting involved in drug

3:30trafficking , passed away , and it's been

3:32about four or five years since he lost

3:33his life . I have another brother who is

3:35in prison at this very moment , he is

3:37currently in the correctional system .

3:41And well , at 16 years old I converted

3:43to the gospel there at church and

3:45everything else , meeting new people ,

3:47that whole thing , that nice moment in

3:49our youth when we find God , we find

3:51good people . That was fundamental for

3:54me because it breaks a line , right ,

3:56that was already there of

3:58predestination , of failure , even

4:00family-related , right ? The gospel is

4:02fundamental for people of low income ,

4:05for the vulnerable , and even for people

4:07who are in the favela . Obviously , the

4:10gospel is for everyone , but for these

4:12people , in my view , at least from

4:13personal experience and even collective

4:15experience of other people who came

4:16from the same place as me . The gospel

4:19was fundamental even for re-education ,

4:21resocialization , and a series of

4:23situations that the state doesn't even

4:24have the competence to do with billions

4:26of reais , you know ? It is important to

4:29say this , that the gospel or

4:31Christianity as a whole is much more

4:32effective than the State's public

4:34policies , including when it comes to

4:35racial policies , you know ? Today ,

4:39within an evangelical church , you have

4:41people in every ecclesiastical

4:42hierarchy , whether they're a worker ,

4:44deacon , pastor , apostle , or bishop —

4:45you have Black people , you have Black

4:47women . So , evangelicalism or

4:50Christianity has done more for Black

4:51people than the entire Black movement

4:53with all its billions in investments .

4:56Then I convert to the gospel , I start

4:58wanting to preach and also spread this

5:01gospel message , just as it happened

5:03with me . And this doesn't just stay in

5:05Brazil . I go outside of Brazil , there

5:07in the year 2008 , it was my first

5:09missionary trip , let's say , I went to

5:11Argentina , then I went to Chile ,

5:13Paraguay , anyway , we went to many

5:15places to preach the gospel . Eh , I get

5:18married , right , in the year 2011 , you

5:20can't forget the date , right ? You can't

5:23,

5:25you can't forget the date , right ? In

5:282011 I marry TMI Sati and then " Sati "

5:30enters my life , because I'm not a "

5:32Satier . "

5:34Look ,

5:34I am not a Satia . TMI Sati enters my

5:37life , the most beautiful woman in the

5:39universe , right ? The woman of my life .

5:42We get married there on August 27 , 2011

5:45, we have a son , I'm the father of a

5:47son named Emanuel Sati , wonderful as

5:49well . Anyway , we grow , we open an

5:52advertising agency , right , through , you

5:54know , our work . I've always liked

5:56communication .

5:59I become an artistic producer , an

6:00executive producer for major events in

6:02Rio de Janeiro , like the March for

6:03Jesus and a series of other big events

6:05there in the city . Then I start , uh , to

6:10open a company there , you know , open a

6:12restaurant , a burger joint , right , and

6:14there I start to have a more political

6:16view of things , you know ? It's obvious

6:20that it started a little earlier , maybe

6:22you'll ask about that later , but there

6:24through the internet , the birth of some

6:26groups in São Paulo , like the MBL ,

6:28even when it was a group that was on

6:30our side , on Brazil's side , with

6:31Fernando Holiday , who has now left the

6:33MBL , thank God for that , right ?

6:37Eh , you have , I mentioned , some people ,

6:39that crowd started making videos , and I

6:41thought , " wow , that's cool , this is

6:43different , " then came the

6:44demonstrations of 2013 , 2014 . I really

6:47started to get involved in politics as

6:49a whole until reaching 2024 , launching

6:51a candidacy and winning the election

6:54for city councilor in the city of Rio

6:56de Janeiro .

6:57Guys , what a story . But honestly , were

7:01you always right-wing , or before

7:03converting did you have that

7:05small-minded way of thinking ? I say

7:07small-minded because usually , that's

7:09what people say , just that little world

7:11there : if I live here in the community ,

7:13I only have to live this , this is all

7:14there is to offer . Or not , did you

7:16always have an open mind , or did it

7:17only open after you converted ?

7:19Yeah , the truth is I didn't understand .

7:20Many people there don't actually

7:22understand what the right or the left

7:24is , you know ? That's one point . Now , my

7:27actions were common actions for people

7:29in the community , right ? Who think they

7:34are there because of the State , who

7:36think they are there because of someone

7:37else's fault , who think they live in

7:39that condition of financial

7:41vulnerability because of capitalism ,

7:42but without effectively knowing

7:44theoretically what capitalism ,

7:45socialism , the right , or the left were ,

7:47right ? But , obviously , as a young

7:51person in the community , you are always

7:54negatively influenced , for sure . You

7:57are even motivated to have this mindset

7:59of self-pity , shall we say , right ? Oh ,

8:02no , I am here , I live here because

8:04someone is rich or because someone has

8:06more . It is as if the responsibility

8:08for life were never the individual's

8:11own . I understand , I didn't choose the

8:12family I was born into . I think the son

8:14of a rich man also didn't choose the

8:16family he was born into . He was just

8:17born into that family . And this issue

8:20of social engineering , of this

8:22construction that you are poor because

8:24the oppressor oppressed you , you are

8:25poor because there are very rich people

8:27, you are ugly because there are

8:29beautiful people , you are thin because ,

8:31things are like that today , right ? I

8:34never had that type of thinking . But

8:37anyway , I understood that I was a

8:39conservative , because every Christian

8:41is naturally a conservative . Naturally ,

8:44a Christian is against abortion .

8:46Naturally , a Christian is against drugs

8:49. Naturally , a Christian is against the

8:52relativization of private property . In

8:55short , he is naturally in favor of life

8:57, naturally . So , uh , we got to know the

9:00theoretical foundations and even the

9:02issue of the politicization of the

9:04right after I actually started getting

9:06involved in politics , and started

9:08reading some authors like Professor

9:10Olavo de Carvalho , and then it's like ,

9:12" Wow , man , I am this , but I'm not this

9:14just now because I'm reading it . " I've

9:16been this since I converted . I’ve

9:18been on this path for a while , but I

9:19didn't know it theoretically . So ,

9:22inside the favelas , in the peripheral

9:24regions , you have many people who are

9:26conservative , who are right-wing , but

9:28they don't exactly know , they don't ,

9:30they don't know theoretically that they

9:33are , you know ?

9:34I see . It's because , generally , I think

9:36what I observe is that inside the

9:37communities , it ends up being the more

9:39left-wing politicians who go in to

9:40campaign , right ?

9:41Yes . That’s a fact ,

9:42isn't it ? So , I mean , that's what they

9:44know , and they are also practically the

9:46only ones who go in there . Yes . Yeah .

9:48And so , uh , this really needs to be

9:50discussed more deeply , right ? Why is it

9:53that only left-wing politicians enter

9:54the communities ? Why don't you see any

9:56right-wing conservatives having the

9:58freedom to campaign inside a favela ? I ,

10:00personally , didn't campaign inside the

10:02favela . So , it's obvious I didn't do it

10:05for a matter , for several , there are

10:06several factors , right ? One of the

10:08factors is evident , right ? We were in a

10:10municipal election ; the right-wing

10:12candidate was Delegate Ramagem . So , man

10:15, how do you go in campaigning for a

10:16police delegate inside the favela ? For

10:18obvious reasons , that's not possible ,

10:20is it ? Even so , man , I got a lot of

10:22votes inside the favela because , well ,

10:24I didn't go with a public security

10:25agenda . My agenda was never about this

10:28issue of public security , although I

10:30recognize that the guy who wants to rob

10:32, the guy who wants to deal drugs , he

10:34has two destinations : prison , jail , or

10:36the cemetery ; that is a reality . I was

10:39born in that environment , and in my

10:40family , there are people who suffered

10:42from that damage and that evil . It's

10:44not a question of me wishing death or

10:46wishing hate on any person . It’s ,

10:48it’s the consequence of their choices

10:50.

10:50Uh-huh .

10:51Now , it is strange to see PT and PSOL

10:53politicians with so much freedom inside

10:55the favela , surrounded by heavily armed

10:57men , while right-wing politicians from

10:59other parties cannot campaign in that

11:02same environment . Is it just because of

11:04the rhetoric ? Is it just that it's

11:05already wrong , right ? Because the

11:07romanticization of banditry , the

11:08romanticization of drugs is already

11:10something quite wrong , it must be said .

11:12Uh-huh . You know ?

11:13It's quite complicated . You even used a

11:15phrase , right , a controversial one that

11:17got people talking , that everything the

11:19favela resident has is a fruit of

11:20capitalism .

11:22Yeah .

11:22Yeah , man ,

11:23there was a lot of hate . Tell us , was

11:25it a moment ...

11:27Well , I am the author of the book "

11:29Capitalism in the Favela , " where I

11:31explain why the favela and its

11:33residents are much closer to capitalism

11:36than to socialism and communism , okay ?

11:39The favela has that air of community ,

11:42right ? And that air of community is

11:44always about helping each other . People

11:46help each other , people are very

11:48helpful , people are very willing to

11:49volunteer . I was the kid who always

11:52went to get a little bit of sugar from

11:54the neighbor , a little bit of oil from

11:55the neighbor . There is this community

11:59feeling within the favela of helping

12:01one another and so on , but their

12:02individualisms exist . The people who

12:05live in the favela want to have their

12:07house , want to have their car , want to

12:08have their cell phone . And look ,

12:11everything the favela resident has .

12:12That's when I make this critique . It's

12:14a fruit of capitalism . And it's a fruit

12:17of capitalism slash willpower and

12:20meritocracy . Because look , the favela

12:23resident has a cell phone , has a

12:25computer , has a car , has a house , has a

12:28smart TV . Everything they have is a

12:31fruit of their own work . They got up

12:34early , went out to the street , took the

12:36crowded bus , worked , saved money , used

12:38credit , paid on credit , did the store

12:40installment plan , but they bought it .

12:43In other words , it is the fruit of the

12:46capital of their labor , of the

12:48resources they received because of

12:50their labor . And then , subsequently ,

12:52they went there and paid for it , in

12:54installments or not , cash or not , they

12:56paid . It is theirs . That is capitalism ,

12:58it is the exchange of goods and

12:59services . It is the law of supply and

13:01demand , and everything they lack is a

13:03result of the state

13:05that should provide it . It spends

13:06billions annually and doesn't . The

13:09favela resident doesn't have healthcare

13:11, doesn't have education . And when I

13:13talk about healthcare and education , I

13:14mean actually going to a hospital and

13:16being well treated . They aren't well

13:18treated . You go to a municipal school

13:20today , everything is outdated . Many

13:23people in the classroom don't have air

13:24conditioning . You go at snack time and

13:27it’s crackers with juice , or water .

13:29It doesn’t have that , that quality

13:31anymore . People in the favela don't

13:32have security for obvious reasons .

13:34Everyone knows who provides security in

13:35the favela : it’s the drug trade . And

13:38man , the most blatant thing : favela

13:39residents have no basic sanitation .

13:42Basic sanitation . Even today , people

13:45leave their homes smelling like filth ,

13:47like [ __ ] , dealing with that , rats

13:49running around . That is a lack of basic

13:52sanitation . In other words , everything

13:54the favela resident has is the fruit of

13:55their own labor ; namely , capitalism is

13:57responsible for everything they lack .

13:59It is the fruit of a state that

14:00promises , campaign after campaign , to

14:02deliver something it never has . Basic

14:04sanitation is a problem that was solved

14:05in Europe centuries ago . How can you

14:08have a rainstorm today in the

14:09Jacarezinho favela in the year 2025 ,

14:12where electric cars already exist , and

14:14you just have a little rain and the

14:16water rises ? I got tired of grabbing my

14:18grandmother's furniture in Jacarezinho ,

14:20who lived by the river , just to move it

14:21to the second floor , my brother . When

14:23there's time , because sometimes the

14:25rain comes at dawn ... you only realize

14:26it's flooding when it's already taken

14:27everything ; there's no time to take

14:28anything out . So , the favela resident

14:31might not know , they might not have the

14:33theoretical awareness of the structure

14:35of capitalism , but they are capitalism ;

14:37they are capitalist . Just look at , for

14:40example , a rap video : he’s wearing

14:41Nike , he’s wearing Adidas , he’s

14:43wearing chains , he’s — what are they

14:44preaching there ? Money , achievement ,

14:48victory . You go into the favela , the

14:50girls are wearing designer clothes .

14:52Capitalism is so powerful that the same

14:54iPhone 16 that a favela resident has ,

14:56Jeff Bezos , who is one of the richest

14:57men in the world , also has , you know ?

15:01It evens things out ; it’s obvious

15:04that you have multibillionaires , and

15:06these multibillionaires — in fact , this

15:09money , this large amount of capital —

15:12also relates to what they produced . And

15:16capitalism , in that sense , has to be

15:17fair . Meritocracy : the more you produce

15:20, the more you work , the more you earn .

15:22That is the fact . And so people

15:24criticize me a bit because of that . I

15:27speak with great vehemence , because I

15:29am a capitalist . My mother was a

15:31capitalist . In the book , I tell my

15:32mother's story of how she used

15:34capitalism , even without knowing it , to

15:36keep us off the wrong path . And we

15:38can't keep romanticizing the favela .

15:39People keep romanticizing the favela .

15:41If you hang out with criminals , you'll

15:42become a criminal . You'll be done for ,

15:44you'll die . There's no way around it .

15:45If you hang out with the wrong people ,

15:47you're going to die . You're going to

15:48get arrested . That's it . My mother knew

15:50that . She was certain , she was

15:52conscious of it to keep us off the

15:53wrong path . Because it really is the

15:55wrong path , even if the left says it

15:56isn't . No , it's not the wrong path . It

15:57is the wrong path . It's of the devil .

15:59People who get involved with

16:01trafficking , people involved with the

16:02use and sale of drugs . These people are

16:04going down the wrong path , guys .

16:06Stating the obvious now is , is

16:08extremism . Stating the obvious now is

16:10wrong . Right , there's that phrase ,

16:12right , " the favela won . " So you are

16:14No , the favela didn't win anything at

16:16all . I won , some other people won .

16:19I think it's funny when someone says , "

16:21Look , but the favela won . " I say , " But

16:22did you go back to get the favela ? "

16:24Yeah ,

16:25because he won , he came down , he's on

16:26the asphalt , as they call it , right ?

16:28He's in a good house , has a good car ,

16:30has everything . But did he go back to

16:31get the people in the favela ?

16:32He'll go back . I doubt that a guy who

16:34makes a little more money wants to keep

16:35raising his child in the favela . Unless

16:38he's really into the mess , the chaos ,

16:40because there are people , man , there

16:41are people who really like that routine

16:43of mayhem , the weekends , the parties ,

16:45and they don't really want to leave

16:47that environment . No , there are people

16:49who don't want to . You have many cases

16:51of people who won financial prizes and

16:52lost everything because they want to

16:54stay in that situation . The favela

16:56didn't win . It's a long way from the

16:58favela winning . Ludmilla won , MC Poze

17:01won . And look , I personally don't , I

17:04mentioned MC Poze , the second time I

17:06mention him here , and I don't listen to

17:08his music , I don't like his music , but

17:09man , that's capitalism .

17:12If you have a market that consumes that

17:14product , even if it's trash in your

17:16assessment , man , that he produces that

17:18product and uses digital streaming

17:20platforms , that's also capitalism , it's

17:22a capitalist invention . So , the favela

17:26lives , it breathes capitalism . If you

17:30take into account even drug trafficking

17:32itself , it ends up being , in a way ,

17:34capitalist . Just go mess with the drug

17:36money and see what happens to people ,

17:37right ? So that's it . So , like ,

17:39it's true .

17:40An idea is created that the slum

17:42dweller lives in a communal environment

17:44. And then they even tried to change

17:45the name , didn't they ? Now it's no

17:46longer a favela , you have to call it a

17:47community . As if calling it a community

17:50would take away the stench , the rats ,

17:52the worries , the poverty . They want to

17:54change the name to try to label it as

17:56something nicer . Man , reality needs to

17:59be faced the way it is . You only change

18:01when you start to face your reality .

18:04You only want , you only decide to study

18:06when you see that your life is crap .

18:08When you see yourself saying : " Man , I'm

18:09behind a counter . " There's no demerit ,

18:11there's no demerit at all in that .

18:13You're behind a counter , you work in a

18:15mall store , there's no demerit at all

18:18in driving for a ride-sharing app ,

18:20there's no problem at all . But there

18:23are other possibilities , there are

18:25other ways , there are other paths . A

18:28bit more pleasant for you to

18:30effectively use your lifetime to work ,

18:32and you only achieve that through

18:34education , through study , through those

18:37opportunities . So , my brother , hit the

18:41books , go read , go learn . And today in

18:44the favela you have this labor force .

18:46And the intellectual capital of the

18:47favela doesn't stay in the favela . It

18:49doesn't stay in the favela . MC Poze is

18:50not in the favela . That's it .

18:52Not that he is intellectual capital .

18:54Yeah ,

18:55but he's not in the favela , you get it ?

18:57Is Oruan in the favela ? Ludmilla ? Mano

18:59Brown ? Are they in the favela ? And

19:00there's no demerit , you have to succeed

19:02and you have to get out of there .

19:04But if they stated that it's not good ,

19:06because if they left , it's because it's

19:07not good .

19:08Exactly .

19:09Because if it were good , they would

19:10have stayed there .

19:10The problem is this . You , the

19:12politician from the PT or PSOL , they

19:13keep romanticizing the favela . They

19:16romanticize the favela . Darcy Ribeiro

19:18said : " The favela is not a problem . The

19:20favela is a solution . " The favela is a

19:22problem . I'm not saying that the slum

19:25dweller is a problem , but the favela ,

19:27the irregular construction , that

19:30unhealthy situation , which is often

19:32unhealthy , is a problem . Why don't

19:35people talk , for example , about the

19:37pollution caused by the favelas and the

19:39city due to a lack of basic sanitation ?

19:41You know that what pollutes planet

19:43Earth the most today isn't the burning

19:45of the Amazon , it isn't the devastation

19:47of the forest . What damages the

19:49environment most today are the big

19:51cities , precisely because of untreated

19:53sewage . What does it mean to not treat

19:55sewage ? It's basic sanitation . Now you

19:57see sewage being treated on Avenida Rio

19:59Branco , you see sewage being treated in

20:01Glória , Flamengo , Leblon , Tijuca , but

20:03you don't see sewage being treated in

20:04the outskirts , in the North Zone , for

20:06example , there in the favelas . So the

20:09favela is not a good environment for

20:10you to raise your daughter , it's not a

20:12good environment for you to raise your

20:13son . I'm not going to romanticize it ,

20:15my brother . It isn't . The kid is

20:17listening to that , at 5 years old , " sit

20:19, sit , up , up , do it upside down , do

20:22the little square dance , " man , that

20:24there is brainwashing . That's the issue

20:27of hypersexualization , not to mention

20:28the romanticization of drug trafficking

20:30, the bullets of this and that , the

20:31shots going here and there , saying " I'm

20:33going to invade Avenida Brasil , I'm

20:35going to blow up the armored truck . "

20:37Man , it's brainwashing in the lives of

20:39our children , our young people , such

20:41that their dream at 14 , 15 , 16 years

20:42old ends up being exactly what they

20:44heard . That is the truth . You end up

20:48being partially influenced by the

20:50environment you live in . That's why the

20:53church is fundamental . The evangelical

20:55church , the Catholic church ,

20:57Christianity as a whole , it is

20:59fundamental for resocialization , for

21:01the transformation of the individual ,

21:03for how they treat their own family .

21:05And the left is against Christianity .

21:08The left is against the evangelical .

21:09They call us extremists . The left , they

21:12think the evangelical is a religious

21:15fundamentalist . That is why I state it

21:18loud and clear . The evangelical ,

21:21Christianity , whether Catholic ,

21:22Apostolic , Roman , or Protestant

21:24Christian , has done more for society

21:25than the PT , than the PSOL , than the

21:27entire state . Puts everyone to shame .

21:30No. And just to show you that the

21:31criminals themselves respect the church

21:33, a lot ,

21:34they respect the evangelicals . I want

21:35to see someone from the left say : " I

21:36don't want any more churches inside the

21:38community . "

21:38A lot .

21:39They respect it a lot there . Then the

21:40left comes along , and now , for them ,

21:42we’re the abnormal ones , right ? Today

21:44, if we say we’re evangelical , if we

21:46say we’re conservative , we’ve

21:47become the abnormal ones . For example ,

21:49it’s just like how the left treats

21:51the police , right , as the enemy and the

21:52criminal as the victim . Because today

21:54you see a news report , oh , another

21:56victim . Then you think , the person who

21:58was robbed , no , the victim is the

22:00criminal there . So how are we supposed

22:01to be in Rio de Janeiro ? How could you

22:03be a councilman in a city where

22:05it

22:05nothing changes ? Because , look , as far

22:07as I can remember , I’ve lived in Rio

22:08since I was 6 years old , right ? I came

22:10from Bahia at six , and since then ,

22:12nothing has changed . I lived in Bel

22:13Forroso

22:14There .

22:15Bel forros .

22:16Bel forte . Belfo , brother . Austin ,

22:20there are some names like that , right ,

22:21that people give to the city , right ,

22:22brother . Like B for treated . So , yeah ,

22:26and nothing has changed , it’s still

22:27the same thing today ,

22:30although there is a change happening

22:32there in the city of Belford Roxo

22:34regarding public safety ; people are

22:36speaking well of what’s happening in

22:38the city , right ? It seems the municipal

22:41executive branch has been doing a job

22:44there , going after this issue of

22:45lowlifes and all that . Well , Rio de

22:48Janeiro is a very troubled city , right ?

22:50Yeah . Uh , uh , Ju , it is a city , I

22:53always say this wherever I go ,

22:57the politician , the , the mayor of the

22:59city of Rio de Janeiro who really wants

23:00to change things has to work together ,

23:02not just with the state government , but

23:04also with the federal government ; he

23:05needs to do a rescue job for Rio de

23:07Janeiro . The city of Rio de Janeiro

23:11needs to be rescued . Rio de Janeiro

23:13wasn’t just the capital of Brazil in

23:15the 60s . Rio de Janeiro was the capital

23:17of the Portuguese Empire , Brazil ,

23:18Portugal , and the Algarves . Dom João

23:20VI brought the Portuguese Court to

23:22Brazil , brought the intellectuals , the

23:25jurists . Dom João VI founded the Bank

23:27of Brazil , the first bank in Latin

23:29America , you know ? Dom João VI

23:32strengthened politics there , the issue

23:34of language , the press , a series of

23:36things . All of this starting from the

23:38city of Rio de Janeiro . Rio de Janeiro

23:41has always been the nerve center of

23:42Brazil — culturally , intellectually ,

23:44politically , and militarily , with the

23:46Eastern Military Command and all that .

23:49The National Library is here , the

23:50Municipal Theater , and the Supreme

23:52Federal Court was here as well . Rio de

23:55Janeiro is the nerve center , I'd even

23:57say beyond Brazil ; you have cities like

24:00Buenos Aires or Santiago , Chile , which

24:02are great cities , but Rio was the

24:05gateway to it all , you know ? And we

24:08need to bring that recovery back to the

24:10city . The leader who serves as mayor of

24:12Rio de Janeiro needs to look at the

24:14Brazilian people as a whole , because

24:16when Rio is doing poorly , Brazil is

24:18also doing poorly . Yeah .

24:20Brazil — or rather , Rio de Janeiro — is

24:23how Brazil is known . I've been outside

24:25of Brazil ,

24:26I've been to the United States , I've

24:28been to Spain , I've been to Portugal .

24:30And when you say that , eh , people ask :

24:32" What is your nationality ? Where are

24:34you from ? " You say , " Oh , I'm from

24:35Brazil . " No one says , " Ah , Paulista

24:38Avenue , Bibi , " no , no one talks about

24:41that . It’s not a xenophobic or biased

24:45speech , right ? You could be from Bahia ,

24:47but people don't ask about Salvador , no

24:49. People talk about Rio de Janeiro ,

24:52Copacabana , Christ the Redeemer .

24:54That’s what people say , because Rio

24:56de Janeiro and Brazil were sold that

24:58way — the carioca culture , the culture

25:00of the " marvelous city . " Walt Disney

25:02created a character named Joe Carioca ,

25:04who walked the streets of Copacabana in

25:06the south zone of Rio de Janeiro . The

25:07city of Rio de Janeiro is the " little

25:08princess of the sea . " We exported

25:10culture like Vinicius de Moraes and Tom

25:12Jobim to the whole world . Bossa nova is

25:15the fusion of samba with jazz . It's

25:17music , I can speak about this with

25:18authority . We created a musical genre ,

25:20now that is a real genre , okay ?

25:22That’s when a genre really exists . We

25:24created a musical genre called bossa

25:26nova , which was a success in the 40s

25:28and 50s , and the song " The Girl from

25:30Ipanema , " for example , was performed by

25:32Frank Sinatra in New York , one of the

25:34greatest performers of that time and

25:36one of the greatest performers in human

25:38history . That is Rio de Janeiro . The

25:41ruler , the manager who wants to govern

25:43Rio de Janeiro , has to look at Rio de

25:44Janeiro with these aspects in mind . A

25:47city that is the cultural and even

25:49political nerve center . Rio de Janeiro

25:52continues to be Brazil's political

25:54center , even though the political

25:56bosses are in São Paulo , and even

25:57though for a long time there was the "

25:59Coffee with Milk " Republic , that

26:01division , that , uh , rotation of power

26:03between São Paulo and Minas Gerais ,

26:05but Rio has always been the determining

26:07and decisive factor . We have lost our

26:10leading role . Being a city councilor in

26:12Rio de Janeiro today , my vision is to

26:15rescue the Brazilian values that

26:17started in this city , right ? The City

26:19Council today is located in a region of

26:21Rio de Janeiro called Cinelândia . And

26:22why is it Cinelândia ? Because that was

26:24where the cinemas were concentrated .

26:25Rio de Janeiro was once the capital of

26:27cinema and even lost that . Today it's

26:29gone to Gramado , right ? You have a film

26:31festival , it's in Gramado . Rio de

26:32Janeiro was once the fashion capital .

26:34Rio de Janeiro was known as the city of

26:36fountains .

26:37Yeah ,

26:38right ? In the 30s , in the 40s . So , Rio

26:41de Janeiro today is in an absurd

26:44process of slum proliferation , an

26:46unprecedented territorial expansion of

26:49drug trafficking . You have

26:51neighborhoods today that have

26:52barricades . Before , the drug

26:55trafficking problem was restricted to

26:57the slums , restricted to the hills , to

26:59places with difficult access . That is

27:02why today you have a public security

27:04management problem in Rio de Janeiro as

27:05well . Unlike São Paulo , where you have

27:08flat slums and only one faction , so you

27:11have greater control of the situation

27:13regarding the city being in conflict .

27:16The PCC is one of the largest factions

27:18in Brazil , but you don't see , for

27:19example , shootouts , a faction or

27:21criminals invading another slum ; you

27:23don't have that . Rio de Janeiro has

27:25that problem . You have a very

27:27mountainous city , right ? So , we have a

27:29geography of many mountains and that

27:31ends up making it impossible for

27:32security forces to go up , and so the

27:34proliferation ends up being much

27:35greater . The manager who takes on the

27:38task of running the city of Rio de

27:39Janeiro has to look at it not as a

27:41common city , man , it's Brazil's nerve

27:43center ; there must be a partnership

27:45between the federal , state , and

27:46municipal governments to end it once

27:48and for all . Not end it , because in my

27:51view , you cannot end drug trafficking .

27:53That's it .

27:54Yeah , yeah , it’s like this , the

27:55United States , the most warlike ,

27:57wealthy , and powerful country in the

27:58world , has serious problems with drugs ,

28:00with addictions , with drugs . But what

28:02needs to be done is , is to set a limit ,

28:04set a boundary , man . The state has to

28:07step in here . The state must have the

28:09autonomy to enter any part of the city

28:11of Rio de Janeiro . It cannot go on the

28:13way it does today . You shouldn't have

28:15to go in with an armored vehicle or a

28:17special forces battalion just to enter

28:19certain places . It’s as if the state ,

28:21it’s as if that place were a separate

28:23country . That undermines national

28:25sovereignty . Drug trafficking

28:27inherently undermines it because ,

28:29within a national territory , there

28:31exists an area that national forces

28:33cannot enter . That is not a sovereign

28:35state .

28:36Yeah , I don’t agree with you . And so ,

28:38for example , you as a city councilor in

28:40this large , dangerous city , and I see

28:42that you take the subway , right ? Yeah .

28:47Are you not afraid ? Because , you know ,

28:49nowadays it’s tough , you know . Is

28:50there ever a moment where you look and

28:52say : " No , I think it’s better to

28:54start moving around like everyone else

28:56does , " meaning politicians who use

28:58armored cars , and , uh ... or do you avoid

29:00that ?

29:01Man , honestly , what makes a politician

29:03use an armored car isn't just about

29:04security , you know ?

29:06It’s more about comfort .

29:08You know ? The armored car and their

29:10vehicle , because that happens in many

29:12cities across Brazil . You’ve got the

29:14guy there , and so on . Obviously , when

29:16it comes to Rio de Janeiro , an armored

29:19car really is very necessary . Why do I

29:21go around like that today , and take the

29:23subway every now and then ? It’s not

29:25for political grandstanding , it’s

29:26nothing like that , it’s just because

29:27I want to get to work faster , that’s

29:28all . There’s no point in sitting in a

29:31car for 2 hours to get to City Hall

29:33when you can take the subway and get

29:34there in 45 minutes ; it improves your

29:36time and quality of life because you

29:37can get more done , and frankly , you get

29:39to connect with people . Yeah .

29:42I’ll say it again , it’s not

29:43political grandstanding , but it’s

29:44cool to be on the subway , it’s cool

29:46to look at people and feel what

29:47they’re going through . I think the

29:49biggest problem with politicians today

29:51is being disconnected from reality . And

29:54this happens a lot with politicians ,

29:56and that's why people get disappointed

29:57with them , because the guy says : " Hey ,

29:59you came here asking for votes and

30:01never came back . " There's a lot of that

30:03, isn't there ? And so on . Man ,

30:04sometimes the voter doesn't want you to

30:07have coffee at their house , although

30:09some do , right ? Then I go . But the

30:11voter doesn't want you to sleep at

30:13their house , man . They want you to give

30:15them the time of day , to have empathy ,

30:17or rather compassion , which is feeling

30:20that person's pain , suffering with that

30:22person . And look , I take the subway , I

30:25take the bus , sometimes I take the BRT ,

30:28I think it's cool , I get home faster .

30:30You feel the pain , right ?

30:32I think if every politician , it's like

30:34we always say , right ? Man , every

30:35politician should use everything they

30:37say is good . They say healthcare is

30:39good , they should use the public system

30:40. They say education is good , but they

30:42won't put their kid in public school .

30:44Public college , public university is

30:45good , but they don't put their kid

30:46there . So , do you think if all

30:48politicians started using it , feeling

30:50the pain , would anything change ?

30:51Without a doubt . It would definitely

30:54change . Not for them to use it , not

30:57that they have to , because I think when

30:59you increase your financial level , your

31:01financial status , your cost of living

31:03increases , and that's natural .

31:07You used to eat street food , now you

31:08want to eat at a better restaurant ,

31:10it's natural when a person gets ahead

31:11in life , no problem there . It could be

31:14through political growth or business

31:17growth , personally . I don't see any

31:20problem with that , but a politician

31:23whose funds partly come from the

31:25population — not all of them , because

31:27some politicians do other things , are

31:30business owners , have other ventures —

31:32but since part of their income comes

31:35from the worker taking the bus or

31:37subway , I think it's worth it . They

31:41don't have to take the subway to work ,

31:42that's not the point . They don't have

31:45to use public healthcare just to prove

31:46it to people , that's not the point , but

31:48to be present , to observe how things

31:49really are . Now , it's obvious that when

31:52you see left-wing politicians saying , "

31:54Yeah , we are the SUS , long live the SUS

31:56, " the least that person has to do is

31:58use the SUS . Yeah , no . And also , there

32:02was even a person who used the SUS ,

32:04showed it , someone from here in Rio ,

32:06who said she had her daughter in the

32:07SUS , and everyone applauded . But look ,

32:11it's easy to get service when you show

32:13up as a city councilor and get that

32:16treatment .

32:18Now I want to see if you're not a

32:20big-shot councilor , just showing up

32:21there . The service won't be any

32:24different .

32:25It's like this , there was a

32:26councilwoman there in Rio who had her

32:27entire gestational process and prenatal

32:29care in the SUS . I thought that was

32:31pretty cool . She went there , posted the

32:33photos , and everything else . We know

32:35that perhaps the unit she chose to have

32:38her child in was a good or at least a

32:40less bad unit .

32:42We know the SUS has excellent

32:44professionals . There .

32:46The problem with the SUS is not the

32:48professionals ; on the contrary , usually

32:50in the SUS , the guy there , the doctor ,

32:52he graduated from a UFRJ or similar , he

32:54graduated from a federal school that

32:56really has an absurd quality of

32:57education . So the professionals are

33:00excellent . The problem with the SUS is

33:02the infrastructure .

33:03That's it .

33:04It's the lack of equipment , lack of

33:06basic materials , like gauze , like blood

33:09bags , like stretchers , mattresses ,

33:11right ? So , the SUS infrastructure is

33:14very poor . Due to the embezzlement of

33:16money and resources . You have maternity

33:18wards in Rio de Janeiro that are

33:20difficult places to have your children .

33:22For example , the Carmela Dutra

33:23maternity ward , you know ? Which was a

33:25federal maternity ward , it was

33:26municipalized , it's been municipalized

33:28for a long time . You have a ton of

33:30people in Rio de Janeiro who are born

33:31there at Carmela Dutra and you have

33:33facilities falling apart there . I have

33:34already conducted an inspection at

33:36Carmela Dutra , respecting the health

33:37professionals . I spoke with the

33:39hospital director , the chief doctor ,

33:41security guards , everyone received me

33:44very well , there was no fight , no

33:45confusion . Why ? Because I received

33:48reports of rats in the maternity ward .

33:49Look at that .

33:50Rats , leaks , right ? Infiltration , the

33:54walls with I verified it and I saw it .

33:57So is that a sanitary place for you to

34:00have a child , in an environment that

34:02has rats and such ? So , I think for you

34:04to take a snapshot of a maternity ward ,

34:06of one experience , and take that

34:08snapshot of that maternity ward and

34:10that experience and generalize it as if

34:12all maternity wards were like that , I

34:14think it's a bit irresponsible , because

34:16they aren't . And it's clear that people

34:19could have , I don't know if that was

34:21the councilwoman's case , right ? Yeah ,

34:23but people could have thought , " Well ,

34:25the councilwoman is giving birth here ,

34:26so let's put a better team , maybe ,

34:28let's provide a better setup . " That

34:29might have happened too .

34:32And that's not a problem , I don't see

34:34an issue there , but you also can't go

34:36publishing and defending a healthcare

34:38system for having your child as if all

34:40of them were the same . Because if you

34:43wait in line , if she , for example , if

34:45she goes to the line there and asks

34:47people to write down what they've been

34:48through , she'll see that's not the case

34:50.

34:50That's not it ,

34:51that's not it . I , Juliana , before

34:53having , well , I got pregnant before ,

34:54with my first , I already had , I got

34:56health insurance during the pregnancy ,

34:58I showed up at the Women's Hospital

34:59which is considered one of the

35:01hospitals , you know , high-risk . Yeah ,

35:02my pregnancy was high-risk . When I saw

35:05the suffering of the women there , it

35:06was completely , " Oh , you arrived

35:08bleeding , no problem , because the other

35:10one is also having problems . " " Oh ,

35:11there's none . " So , you know , there's no

35:134 - hour wait to get medical attention .

35:15Yes , yes , yes , yes .

35:16Then another lady was already , " Wow ,

35:18I'm 42 weeks along , guys , but haven't

35:19you had it yet ? " " No , because there's no

35:21space . " And the other maternity wards ,

35:23" Oh , we've already joined the line . " So

35:24, the reality in Rio de Janeiro isn't

35:26like that .

35:27Exactly .

35:28You know ? It's not like that . We see ,

35:30there are maternity wards in Rio that

35:31have a reputation as slaughterhouses ,

35:33where a woman goes in pregnant ,

35:34everything's fine , and comes out with a

35:35dead baby , because , you know ? So , when

35:37I saw the report , I said , " Oh , it's

35:39beautiful , it's beautiful , but that's

35:41not the reality we live in , "

35:43isn't it ?

35:44That's not the reality . These are

35:45doctors who have already been there for

35:4624 hours , exhausted , and they have to

35:48say , " Oh , wait , if she goes into labor ,

35:49I won't be able to leave now . "

35:51Uh-huh .

35:51So , I mean , it's a reality that we

35:53don't have . When I saw it , I said : "

35:55Guys , it's beautiful . "

35:56I think it was communication that

35:58people want to politicize everything ,

36:01okay ? I I disagree with that a little .

36:04I think you have to have your privacy .

36:07Regardless of whether you support the

36:09government or not , you don't need to

36:10defend public health just because

36:11you're with the government and have to

36:13defend the mayor because you work with

36:15the mayor . I think that's unnecessary .

36:17You don't need to sell the idea that

36:19the SUS today is the greatest thing

36:21since sliced bread , because it isn't ;

36:23health is a generalized problem today .

36:25There are private hospitals with health

36:27plans where it's hard to get care . So

36:29it makes no sense for you to say " Long

36:30live the SUS , " or promote the SUS . The

36:32reality that perhaps that person had

36:33their child , right , the birth , isn't

36:35the reality that everyone will have . We

36:37know that . There are people waiting in

36:39line . You don't get a cesarean section

36:41when you have , in extreme cases , many

36:43people — even many mothers — end up

36:45passing away during birth because they

36:47lack the necessary dilation . A series

36:50of issues , we know it's not the reality

36:51. Now , the councilwoman chose to do it

36:54that way ; I don't know what motivated

36:56the councilwoman to do it that way , but

36:58the reality is that the resident , the

37:00the the Carioca citizen , doesn't have

37:02this reality . Because , bringing in the

37:04reality as a mother , I say that any

37:06woman , if you told her she could have

37:08the comfort of giving birth in a little

37:09room just for her , with her husband

37:11there , she's going to want it , because

37:13mine was like that , and I thought it

37:14was — I thought it was wonderful .

37:16Yeah , mine was also wonderful ,

37:17isn't that right ? So , you're there in

37:18private , nice , your husband is there ,

37:20the doctors — people ,

37:22this is beautiful ,

37:22it's beautiful . So , if you asked any

37:24woman , the woman would say : " Oh , I want

37:26that too , "

37:26right ? " While I find it unfair , right ?

37:29So much money in our state , right ? So

37:30much money . And seeing women suffering ,

37:32right ? For example , in my municipality ,

37:34right ? We don't even have an ICU , but

37:37that's fine , let's move on . In the

37:39international scene , right ? What

37:41happened to the American influencer ?

37:43Sad , right ? It made , I think , everyone

37:46cry . Uh , what saddened me was seeing

37:49people on the left , right , clapping ,

37:51saying : " Wow , that's it , it had to be

37:53that way , " and so on . And in Brazil , do

37:56you feel that the right also lives in a

37:58minefield ?

37:59They do , man . Look , the Charlie Kirk

38:02case , it’s an emblematic case , you

38:04know ? It’s something that really hurt

38:07me , and I’m actually still hurting ,

38:09right ? It’s a process you keep

38:12ruminating on to really understand ,

38:15because we’re not dealing with

38:18democratic spaces that will be won by

38:20people through democracy and the vote .

38:24That is not what we're dealing with .

38:26It’s the Charlie case and so many

38:28other cases , like the Jair Bolsonaro

38:29case , like the Trump case where he got

38:31grazed by a bullet in the ear , or

38:33Miguel Uribe’s case , or the Japanese

38:35prime minister who died from a gunshot .

38:38We aren't dealing with a democratic

38:39right or left trying to win an election

38:41. We’re dealing with decent people ,

38:44people living quiet lives , and

38:46assassins . That is what needs to be

38:49said . And this needs to be exposed , it

38:52really needs to be widely reported to

38:54the entire world press , because

38:56what’s happening is barbarism . So ,

38:59wait a minute . Just because you think

39:01differently , you have to die ? Globo had

39:04the nerve to publish a story that the

39:06guy got shot because he’s an

39:08extremist , as if the fault for being

39:09shot lay with the victim himself —

39:11where are we living , man ? Do you get it

39:14? It’s like talking about women who

39:16were sexually assaulted because of

39:18their clothes being too short . What an

39:20absurdity . The fault lies with the

39:22animal , the criminal , who should be

39:23castrated in my opinion . They should be

39:26, my brother — I won't even say it

39:28because of the algorithm . A guy who

39:31sexually abuses a woman , the fault will

39:33never be the woman's .

39:34True .

39:35It will never be the woman's . So you

39:37cannot blame a victim for an attack

39:40they suffered . And that is what Globo

39:42did by calling him an extremist .

39:44Extremist ? The guy talked about Jesus ,

39:46he talked about the right , he talked

39:48about conservatism , you know ? They

39:50don't win with arguments , they can't

39:52win the debate . So they had to silence

39:54Kirk’s voice , which is what they

39:55tried to do with President Bolsonaro .

39:58The scenario for Bolsonaro , when he was

40:01stabbed on September 6 , 2018 , was as

40:03follows : he was leading in the polls ,

40:05there was no way to beat Bolsonaro

40:07anymore , they would have to take it to

40:09a runoff , because the PT imagined the

40:11election would be an easy one and all

40:13that . Bolsonaro surged , and the only

40:16way they saw to remove him from the

40:18electoral race was by stabbing him to

40:20kill . And then Silas Malafaia had his

40:23phone seized just now at the airport .

40:27The Federal Police , which is becoming

40:29like a tabloid blogger , gave it to

40:30Globo , and while Malafaia was giving an

40:32interview , his conversations with

40:33Bolsonaro were already being leaked .

40:36Everyone wants to know what is on

40:37Adélio Bispo's cell phone . Six years

40:40have passed . Nobody knows what is in

40:42his phone conversations . Nobody knows

40:44who pays for Adélio Bispo's lawyers .

40:47Nobody knows . Wait a minute , folks . So ,

40:50it's not , it's not about right-wing or

40:52left-wing democracy , it's about people

40:54who want the good of the country versus

40:56people who want to kill others . The

40:59political environment is very hostile .

41:02Here in Brazil , we are living through

41:03this , okay ? In universities , there have

41:06already been cases at the UFF , at the

41:08Federal Fluminense University , of

41:10right-wing people getting beaten up

41:12there . You also had it recently with

41:15councilman Gui Kilter and lawyer

41:17Jeffrey Chiquini , who were going to

41:19lecture at the Federal University of

41:21Paraná , and they were harassed , right ,

41:23with war cries , blows , water , they were

41:26thrown at , called fascists , " back off ,

41:28fascist . " Wait a minute . The university

41:31environment is not an environment for

41:33debate . The university environment is

41:35not an environment for clarifying ideas

41:36. The university environment is not an

41:38environment for the contradictory .

41:40Isn't it the contradictory that makes

41:42you grow ? Imagine if you only hung out

41:44with people who agree with you . You

41:45would be repulsive , it would be

41:47impossible to deal with you . Everyone

41:48just agrees with you . What makes us

41:50grow as human beings , as individuals ,

41:53as husbands , as wives , is precisely

41:55divergence . You , evidently , do not

41:57agree with everything your spouse does .

42:00Your spouse does not agree with

42:01everything you do . And it is precisely

42:03these divergences that make you improve

42:06, to self-evaluate . Gee , I think I'm

42:09being an ignorant person with my

42:11husband . I think I'm being an ignorant

42:14person with my wife . This is bad . I

42:16need to improve this in my life . Isn't

42:17it like that ? Divergence makes us grow .

42:20The university environment must value

42:22divergence , though today it's different

42:25. Kirk , he died from a gunshot to the

42:28jugular . Precisely for preaching , for

42:31preaching difference , for preaching

42:33something else . So you have to be

42:35killed for preaching . Look , his biggest

42:37opponent in the United States , in

42:39debates , when he heard the news of his

42:41passing , he cried . He said : " No , no ,

42:44ideas cannot be countered with violence

42:46. Ideas must be countered with ideas . "

42:49And here in Brazil , a bunch of people

42:51wishing for Nicolas Ferreira's death ,

42:53because Kirk was basically the Nicolas

42:55over there . He just didn't hold office

42:58because he didn't really want a

42:59political mandate , but the guy toured

43:01all the universities in the United

43:03States . He was followed by millions of

43:06people . And the age group was the same

43:08as Nicolas ' , young people . So you saw

43:10a lot of people posting , for example , a

43:12guy in Espírito Santo , Nicolas was in

43:14Espírito Santo yesterday , he said : "

43:15The next one has to be Nicolas Ferreira

43:17. " He was arrested . The scumbag was

43:19arrested , he needs to stay in jail .

43:21There was one today , even with a

43:22medical license . He's from the medical

43:25council , uh , there in ... it seems like

43:27it's from ... I don't know if it's from

43:29Fortaleza , I don't know if it's from

43:31Ceará , who also said : " Congrats to the

43:33shooter , if the shooter's aim is

43:35calibrated , right , on the cervical . " So

43:38the guy is there , he needs to be , we

43:40have to go to the Unimed portal , I've

43:42already made my comment there because

43:44he works at Unimed , we have to post his

43:45license , his full name so he gets fired

43:47. The right will act like this , what

43:51else , what more can we do to , I won't

43:53say , I think it seems they need to be

43:55afraid , because they are trying to

43:57instill fear in the right , right ?

43:59Because soon people will , for the sake

44:01of their lives , stop

44:03going to debates , to public places . Is

44:05that what they want , and that's it , or

44:07not ? How are we going to rise up ?

44:09Because everyone asks how the right

44:10will rise up at this moment .

44:12Well , the right is democratic , the

44:14right is peaceful , okay ? Throughout

44:17history , the right has always been

44:18peaceful . Conservatives , right , they

44:21have always been ordinary people .

44:22That's what Chesterton said . Nothing

44:25beats an ordinary man with his ordinary

44:27family in an ordinary house . or in a

44:29simple house . That is who we are . You

44:32won't find a natural conservative , the

44:34guy here from Petropolis , he just wants

44:36to eat his cheese bread , he wants to

44:37have his hot chocolate in this cold

44:39weather with his family . That's what he

44:42wants . He’s not out there walking the

44:44streets with a sign saying , I’m a

44:46conservative and you’re all crazy . No

44:48, the majority , which is actually

44:50silent . The majority is silent , but

44:53they agree with the precepts of

44:55conservatism , of family , of love for

44:58the homeland , isn't that true ?

45:00Yes .

45:01Well , it's the left that's always at it

45:03, cursing , calling anyone who disagrees

45:06with them a fascist . People , the

45:08fascist regime

45:09sometimes they don't even know what it

45:10is , right ?

45:11No , most of the time they don't even

45:12know what Mussolini's fascism was in

45:14Italy , which killed hundreds of

45:15thousands of people , right ? They also

45:18don't know what communism was in China

45:19or the Soviet Union , which took the

45:21lives of millions , more than 100

45:22million in the Soviet Union alone . Here

45:25in Cuba , for example , many people ,

45:27thousands of people died , firing squads

45:29, homosexuals were killed . Even

45:31Palestine , this crowd keeps saying "

45:33free Palestine , " right ? You see a lot

45:34of that . Free Palestine from the river

45:37to the sea . Man , if those homosexuals

45:40were in Palestine , they would be

45:42summarily hanged .

45:44Exactly . The place today that has the

45:47greatest democracy in the Middle East

45:49is precisely Israel , where the left

45:51calls these people genocidal . They call

45:54the Israeli people genocidal . So , it's

45:56an absurd inversion of values . Now the

45:58right needs to take a stand . Do you

46:00know why , Ju ? A violent man only fears

46:02another violent man .

46:04Yeah .

46:05A violent man only fears another

46:08violent man . We cannot simply watch

46:12these people label us . Do you know why ?

46:15It's a process of dehumanization , and

46:17this is a social engineering process

46:19that is meticulously planned . The

46:21process of dehumanization . What is the

46:23process of dehumanization ? Oh , he’s

46:25right-wing . Oh , he’s backward . Oh ,

46:28he’s just God , homeland , family .

46:29He’s traditional . Oh , this guy is an

46:32extremist . Oh , this guy is a fascist .

46:35Well , you defend the family , so

46:37you’re a Nazi . If you’re white ,

46:38then you’re a slaveholder , you’re a

46:40Nazi . Man , they dehumanize the person

46:43to the point where when you get shot in

46:45the jugular , the press says : " No , he

46:48died because he was an extremist . " Man ,

46:51how crazy . Are we not seeing this

46:53social engineering process that is

46:55putting conservatives against the wall ,

46:57being labeled as Nazis , fascists , taxi

46:59drivers , Uber drivers , and so many

47:01other things ? A violent man only fears

47:05a violent man . I will not allow any bum

47:09to come up to me and call me a fascist

47:12or call me a Nazi . If you lay a hand on

47:14me , you’re going to get punched right

47:16in the mouth . You’re going to get it

47:18right in the mouth . If you come to

47:20attack me , you will be attacked in the

47:22same way , because with the measure you

47:24use , you will be measured . You cannot

47:27expect a territory of passivity . I am

47:30peaceful , but I am not passive . I will

47:33defend myself . I will defend my son . I

47:35will defend my wife . I will defend my

47:37property , I will defend my life . So , a

47:39violent man only fears another violent

47:42man . It’s like those school bullying

47:44videos , the guy hitting the little kid ,

47:46hitting the little kid , until the kid

47:47gets fed up and grabs him , does some

47:49jiu-jitsu , puts him in an armbar , and

47:51tears the guy apart . He never hits that

47:53little kid again , because a violent man

47:55only fears another violent man . How

47:58long will we keep dying ? Jair Bolsonaro

48:01was stabbed , Donald Trump was shot and

48:03grazed in the ear , Miguel Uribe was

48:06shot and died . The prime minister of

48:09Japan died from a gunshot . How long

48:12will we continue to be targeted by

48:14these people who claim to be followers

48:17and lovers of democracy , with their

48:19discourse of love , their discourse of

48:22good ? What is this , people ? So , I

48:25repeat , I will not allow it . If a

48:28leftist comes at me with violence , it

48:30is violence they will get . If they come

48:32at me with manners , it is manners they

48:35will get . They will be measured by the

48:37same yardstick that they use to measure

48:39other people . There are no idiots here ,

48:42no fools here , and no cowardly people

48:45here . My mother gave birth to a man , my

48:47mother gave birth to a polite son . My

48:49mother gave birth to a just man , just .

48:52I have never stolen anything from

48:53anyone . I have my work , I have my life ,

48:55I have never been homophobic , I have

48:57never been dishonest , I have never been

48:59any of that to anyone . I will not

49:02tolerate any university student ,

49:04politician , or leftist trying to push

49:06me around . If you push me , you’ll get

49:09pushed back too . If you hit me ,

49:10you’ll get hit back too .

49:12What is this ? Especially after a

49:14message like this .

49:16If I were those leftists with that same

49:17look , because leftists all have the

49:18same look , right ?

49:19Yeah , it's the look , right ? Got it .

49:21Same skin . And they’re only bullies

49:23when they’re in a group , right ? Alone

49:25, they aren’t such bullies , are they ?

49:27That skin of theirs right there . But ,

49:28for instance , you as a father , right ?

49:30What do you fear most for your son

49:31today , for your son's future in Brazil

49:33today ?

49:35Man , what I fear most for my son is him

49:37ending up with a broken country , man . A

49:39country where , you know , he won't be

49:42able to build a quality life , you know ?

49:45I , I was in the United States for the

49:46first time in my life , and I talk about

49:48the US because that was the experience

49:49I had . And we here in Latin America ,

49:51South America , we end up being very

49:53influenced by North American culture ,

49:54not just Latin Americans , but everyone ,

49:55right ?

49:57You watch movies , you watch series , you

49:58watch everything , everything . Podcast ,

50:00podcast is an English word , it’s a

50:02North Americanized product , let's say .

50:05Our culture is heavily influenced by

50:07the culture of the United States . So it

50:09stays in our imagination of what the US

50:11is like , how things happen , it's

50:12exactly like in the movies , that whole

50:14thing . Man , I had the opportunity to go

50:17there , and I saw a country , man , that

50:19respects people , that respects

50:21individual freedom . There’s a punk

50:24guy there with a blue mohawk this big

50:26walking through Times Square . Nobody

50:28cares about him . He can be whatever he

50:31wants . He can be a homosexual , he can

50:33be a lesbian , he can be a conservative ,

50:36he can be religious , he can be whatever

50:38he wants . And I don’t see that in

50:41Brazil , and I don't have good prospects

50:43in that regard , right ? So , today I fear

50:45for my son in that sense . I want my son

50:49to engage and be inserted into an

50:51academic university system . It’s

50:54something I even want . I personally

50:56prefer that he be an entrepreneur

50:58rather than going to university ,

50:59getting a degree in 4 years , then doing

51:01a post-grad , doing ... I’d rather he be

51:03an entrepreneur , have some cool

51:04invention of his own , and study

51:06technology . I’m going to invest as

51:09much as I can , right , so he can really

51:11be whatever he wants . So , I’ll

51:13provide all the financial ,

51:15informational , structural , and

51:17emotional support , because a father has

51:19to , he has to provide that structure

51:22for his son . There is no success

51:24outside the home that compensates for

51:27failure within the home . So , my biggest

51:31goal as a father is , man , is to provide

51:34a structure for my son , so he can , you

51:36know , also be able to marry , also start

51:39his own family , have security , legal

51:42security , political security , food

51:44security , financial security . So , what

51:47I see today , right , as a father and

51:50what I seek for my son is this

51:51infrastructure . Unfortunately , given

51:54the way things are going in Brazil , I

51:56don't see that . Brazil has no legal

51:59security .

51:59Yeah ,

52:00they're arresting Bolsonaro , convicting

52:02an honest guy who never stole anything

52:05from anyone , you know ? They're

52:06sentencing the guy to 27 years in

52:08prison . I wonder , what is the message

52:10the judiciary is sending abroad today ?

52:13Do you want , do you think an investor

52:15will bring 10 billion dollars to Brazil

52:17? No ,

52:18investing here and suddenly , with a

52:19stroke of a pen , a dictator-like

52:21minister comes and says : " No , this

52:22company has to take down such and such

52:23profile . " A company's market value , how

52:26does it stand here ? Do you think the

52:28guy will want to invest ? He won't . This

52:30isolates Brazil from the world . This

52:33makes Brazil have an invisible wall

52:35that prevents other countries ,

52:37businessmen , and industries from making

52:40their investments . So , it's very sad to

52:44look at this and know that , man , the

52:46next generations are coming up . It was

52:49already a bit hard for us . Yeah . And

52:52and so , Brazil's difficulty , Ju , is due

52:54to public policy . Brazil is a country

52:58that has fertile soil ,

52:59a lot of

53:01an absurd energy matrix , it's just sun

53:02all year round . Oil , we have the

53:06technology to extract oil in the

53:08pre-salt , that is , deep down in the

53:10depths of the sea . Things , technology

53:13that few possess , okay ? We have a

53:16resilient , hardworking people . Our

53:18problem is political . Our problem is

53:21the rulers who govern this country , you

53:24understand ? And I have no problem at

53:26all saying this as a politician , being

53:28a politician . You can't credit a

53:30country's problem to me with 8 years of

53:31mandate . It would be intellectual

53:34dishonesty , to do such a thing . But as

53:36a politician , I say , Brazil's problem

53:38is one of management , of politics .

53:40Because you have thieving , corrupt

53:42rulers , the Atibaia ranch , the

53:44corruption scheme with the construction

53:46company that is Odebrecht , the

53:48mensalão , petrolão , the Correios

53:50pension fund . Man , this guy is

53:52President of the Republic ,

53:54a bandit . The biggest proof of Lula's

53:57theft is not , oh , but it's Sergio

53:59Moro's narrative , whatever . The

54:02businessmen who stole , the politicians

54:04who stole , they returned the money .

54:09They returned it . It is the absolute

54:11proof . Forget plea bargains , forget

54:13Delton , forget Sérgio Moro , forget

54:15Bolsonaro , forget Globo , which actually

54:17fought hard to get Lula arrested .

54:20Forget all that . The politicians who

54:22stole returned the money . It is

54:24absolute proof that there was

54:25corruption . And today the guy has been "

54:27un-convicted . " Yeah ,

54:29they gave him back his political rights

54:32. The Supreme Federal Court did this

54:34and the guy was elected President of

54:36the Republic . Sorry . This is not a

54:38serious country .

54:39No , no .

54:40It is not a serious country . J.

54:41How can you love a guy like that , folks

54:43? Or maybe it's just a little bit ,

54:45maybe people are missing a few brain

54:46cells , because sometimes I ask myself

54:48that , okay guys ? You might not like

54:49Bolsonaro . I think that's , you know ,

54:52totally fine , okay ? But to dislike him

54:54and agree with the president currently

54:56in power ,

54:56you’ve got to be kidding .

54:58What is this , people ? That is just ,

54:59that is just laughing in our faces .

55:01It's not possible .

55:02He’s , the PT has been 16 years in

55:05power .

55:0516 years .

55:06And after 16 years , do you know what

55:07the PT's strategy is ? Giving free

55:09cooking gas to the population . Wait a

55:11minute . In 16 years you couldn't give

55:13financial autonomy to the people . In 16

55:15years you couldn't manage to put that

55:17guy in a position to buy his own gas .

55:20Sorry , you are trash . That's it .

55:22This government is a cursed government .

55:24It's a garbage government that wants to

55:27keep people in misery to stay in power .

55:31It's very simple . You don't need to be

55:33an intellectual . You don't need to like

55:35Bolsonaro to think this way . You might

55:37not like Bolsonaro , but to think that

55:40the PT government is a government that

55:42benefits the Brazilian population , that

55:44it helps in any way , shape , or form .

55:46Sorry , that’s just bad character ;

55:48it’s not possible , there's no way .

55:52Fine , maybe , maybe the younger

55:53generation , at 16 , who didn't see the

55:55thefts , could even be fooled by Anitta ,

55:58for example , who told them to get their

56:00voter ID cards to go vote , they can be

56:02fooled . OK . But you , at 30 and up , you

56:07at 40 . Oh , my brother ,

56:10to say he is the father of the poor , my

56:12brother . Even the Northeasterner , you

56:14came from Bahia , Bolsonaro had growth

56:16in the Northeast . I will not blame the

56:18Northeast for Bolsonaro's defeat ,

56:19that’s not it . But believing this

56:21nonsense , there are cities that don't

56:22have running water , my brother . Guys

56:24get reelected by selling water trucks ,

56:26by selling water . There are favelas in

56:29Rio de Janeiro that have more

56:30infrastructure than cities in the

56:31Northeast . Favelas in Rio de Janeiro

56:34have more infrastructure than cities in

56:37the Northeast that have no asphalt , no

56:40running water , that depend on the rain

56:42— where have you ever seen that in

56:45Brazil , a country totally , man , with

56:47technology for agronomy , for

56:49agriculture , people praying for rain ,

56:51you know ? That is mismanagement , ladies

56:54and gentlemen . That is mismanagement .

56:56The guy was in power for 16 years and

56:57didn't bring water . Bolsonaro went

56:59there and finished the work that was

57:00his , which he didn't want to finish .

57:02Which he didn't want to finish because

57:03the water truck was making more money .

57:04It's obvious .

57:05It was providing votes for sale . It was

57:07good there .

57:08You have , you have cities in the North ,

57:09in the Northeast , Ju , where the

57:11population has to keep paying to cross

57:12by ferry .

57:13Damn , just build a bridge . So , like ,

57:15what

57:16if you build the bridge , you lose the

57:17voter ,

57:18lose the voter , lose the voter . If you

57:22emancipate people financially , uh ,

57:24emotionally , you lose the voter . So ,

57:27that's why they've been there for 16

57:28years and don't solve the problem and

57:30won't solve it , because their goal

57:32isn't to solve it . But then you decide

57:33to vote for Lula because Bolsonaro uses

57:35swear words . That's your problem , man .

57:37It's because of a swear word .

57:38He uses swear words .

57:39Yeah . No , and today there's a

57:41generation that says they're leftist ,

57:42that votes for Lula , that likes Lula ,

57:44but they're supported by their parents ,

57:46don't know what work is , and will

57:48receive [ money ] . You see now the son of

57:51the singer , right , famous there with

57:53the wonderful life , talking about the

57:55extreme right , saying we are the

57:57problem , but he's there , he's the son

57:59of a millionaire singer , a billionaire

58:01actually , right ? He's traveling up and

58:05down . And the problem is us . But what

58:07problem if we're just workers ?

58:08That's right . I will never , ever

58:10understand . But today , for example ,

58:12people are worried about what happened

58:14yesterday at the headquarters , right ,

58:15of Bolsonaro . What do you have to say

58:18to the public today ? Because , honestly ,

58:19after it ended , I didn't even have

58:21anything left to say , you know ? But for

58:23you who are in the loop , for you who

58:25are a friend , like , are close , what do

58:27you have to say to the public ? Well ,

58:29what I have to say is the following : we

58:31cannot give up . Professor Olavo de

58:34Carvalho , right , he was one of the

58:36people who opened the eyes of the

58:39Brazilian population with his books ,

58:42his thoughts , and his online philosophy

58:44course . And he used to say something

58:48very interesting : " Do not stop , do not

58:50rush , and do not retreat . " Whoever

58:52persists the longest wins . We are not

58:55running a 100 - meter dash . It's not

58:59about speed , we are running a marathon ,

59:01it's about endurance . So , whoever

59:05resists , whoever persists , persists the

59:07longest will win . This is not a good

59:12moment . It is evident that it is not a

59:13good moment . They condemned an honest

59:15man , they sentenced an honest man to 27

59:18years in prison and a fine of 3 million

59:20reais . Bolsonaro's sentence was longer

59:24than that of Matsunaga , who killed and

59:26dismembered her husband . For you to

59:30have an idea , the moment is not easy at

59:32all , but we cannot give up , we cannot

59:34stop , we cannot lose heart , okay ? And

59:37unfortunately , Brazilian institutions

59:40are no longer in a condition to resolve

59:42this . The Federal Supreme Court today

59:45is a Federal Supreme Court , in its vast

59:47majority , of politicized people .

59:50Politicizing the justice system and

59:53judicializing politics . That is what is

59:56happening within President Bolsonaro's

59:58own case . It is not finished yet . There

1:00:00is still room for appeals , right ? You

1:00:02have the project there , the case has

1:00:05not reached a final judgment .

1:00:08There is room for an appeal through the

1:00:10Federal Supreme Court's own internal

1:00:12regulations , okay ? So it will proceed ,

1:00:15and things will move in that direction .

1:00:19But I say again , Brazilian institutions

1:00:21have failed . The OAB , the Brazilian Bar

1:00:24Association , doesn't say a peep about

1:00:26these legal anomalies ; you have people

1:00:28in prison because they were selling

1:00:30cotton candy at the protest . A coup ,

1:00:32which they say was a coup , a Disney

1:00:34coup . Bolsonaro wasn't even here . On

1:00:37December 30 , 2022 , while still at the

1:00:39Alvorada and Planalto Palaces as

1:00:41President of the Republic , Bolsonaro

1:00:43told people that we shouldn't be like

1:00:45the leftists , that we shouldn't be like

1:00:48the Workers ' Party supporters , that

1:00:50people should go home . Bolsonaro made

1:00:53this very clear , that he didn't want

1:00:54trouble or anything like that , and that

1:00:56not all is lost . It was his video , it

1:00:58was what he said . He didn't incite hate

1:01:00, he didn't incite destruction , he

1:01:02didn't incite anything . And look , Ju ,

1:01:05those people who broke and vandalized

1:01:07property , public property on January

1:01:108th were wrong . Whoever vandalized is

1:01:13wrong . You don't vandalize public

1:01:16property , you don't vandalize private

1:01:18property . Now , sentencing a person

1:01:20because they tagged a statue with

1:01:22lipstick , that is , vandalized public

1:01:23property , to 12 or 14 years in prison

1:01:25like Débora , that is wrong . This is

1:01:28not justice . What we are living through

1:01:30in Brazil today is not justice , it is

1:01:32political persecution . Bolsonaro's

1:01:33trial was not a trial of justice , it

1:01:35was a political trial . That was why

1:01:37Minister Luís Fux said that the

1:01:39Supreme Federal Court does not have the

1:01:41jurisdiction to try Bolsonaro . First ,

1:01:44because Bolsonaro is not a minister .

1:01:46First , Bolsonaro is not a politician ,

1:01:49not a congressman , not a senator , nor

1:01:51president . Congressman , Bolsonaro , I

1:01:54mean , he doesn't have the prerogative

1:01:56of forum . He should not have been tried

1:01:59in the Supreme Federal Court . Who is

1:02:01tried directly in the Supreme Federal

1:02:03Court is a politician , because they

1:02:04have the prerogative of forum .

1:02:07Bolsonaro should have been tried in the

1:02:09first instance , appealed , in the second

1:02:10instance , appealed , in the TRF ,

1:02:12appealed , and then in the final

1:02:13instance which is the Supreme Federal

1:02:15Court , where there's no way to appeal .

1:02:18How can you take a guy and try him

1:02:19directly in the Supreme Federal Court ?

1:02:22How can you take a Débora , a woman , a

1:02:23cotton candy seller , a popcorn seller ,

1:02:25right , that's popcorn , isn't it ?

1:02:28Popcorn seller . How can you take a

1:02:30popcorn seller and try them in the

1:02:31Supreme Federal Court ? What madness .

1:02:33Where are we living ? The world is

1:02:34seeing this . And I repeat , Brazilian

1:02:37institutions have failed . The Supreme

1:02:40Federal Court superseded the

1:02:41legislative branch , superseded the

1:02:43executive branch . There is nothing left

1:02:46to do .

1:02:46Uh-huh .

1:02:47That's why , in my assessment , hope

1:02:49comes from outside . Ah , but then

1:02:53national sovereignty , sovereignty ,

1:02:54Brazil isn't even sovereign anymore ,

1:02:56starting with that . Today the

1:02:59discussion is about who will control

1:03:01Brazil . Either we stay in the Russia ,

1:03:05India block , or rather , Russia , China ,

1:03:08which are the powers

1:03:11malignant in the sense of

1:03:12totalitarianism , lack of freedom of

1:03:14expression , right ? Or we join the

1:03:17United States , the European Union , the

1:03:20West , which are countries where there

1:03:22is freedom of expression , where you

1:03:24have social media , where you have free

1:03:27trade . That's all it is . Brazil isn't

1:03:30fighting for sovereignty . We haven't

1:03:32been sovereign for a long time ,

1:03:33a long time .

1:03:34It's about who is going to control this

1:03:36place . And the world and modern history

1:03:39give us clear examples of this control .

1:03:42Korea fought among itself , a civil war

1:03:45between the Koreas . The North was led

1:03:48by Russia and China , the Soviet Union .

1:03:52The South was led by Europe and the

1:03:53United States . Today you have a

1:03:56pacification . The country was divided

1:03:58into two .

1:03:59North Korea on top and South Korea on

1:04:01the bottom . Who is more prosperous ?

1:04:03South Korea . The K-drama you watch

1:04:05there , handsome , is from South Korea .

1:04:08The S25 , the Samsung , the Hyundai you

1:04:11drive around in is from South Korea .

1:04:14What product do you use from North

1:04:15Korea ? If you use a Bible in a public

1:04:19square or something like that , you get

1:04:21shot , you get arrested , there is no

1:04:22political opposition . That's what we

1:04:25are talking about , it's not about

1:04:26national sovereignty , because we are

1:04:27already not sovereign . The truth is who

1:04:30is going to control this place . The

1:04:32countries that were controlled by

1:04:34Russia , by China , by the axis of evil ,

1:04:37are countries like Nepal , for example ,

1:04:39which just a few days ago tried to , uh ,

1:04:42cancel the internet , actually cancelled

1:04:44some streaming platforms ,

1:04:46cancel

1:04:47there were 20 in total , including

1:04:50Twitter , Facebook , Instagram . And do

1:04:52you know the reason they cancelled them

1:04:54?

1:04:54Fake news and hate speech .

1:04:57I'm seeing Brazil there . Similar , right

1:04:59? Similar , but here the name , the name

1:05:02here is prettier , it's social media

1:05:04regulation .

1:05:05So there is the 16 - year-old kid who

1:05:07can't go 10 seconds without TikTok

1:05:08asking to regulate social media . That

1:05:10is what we are debating .

1:05:11Oh , so it would be good if this

1:05:13happened here . You don't stop , stop and

1:05:15think . Everyone is there , because

1:05:17usually those who are fighting , right ,

1:05:18talking about the right , are those who

1:05:20are on their phones all the time . We

1:05:22are also on our phones , but we are

1:05:23working , we are studying . So I think if

1:05:25this happens , I think they could run a

1:05:27test , right ? So ,

1:05:28what would happen to the young people

1:05:29here ?

1:05:30What then ? What then , right ? So , Ju ,

1:05:32that's what we're talking about . So , in

1:05:34Bolsonaro's case ,

1:05:36Donald Trump himself has warned , has

1:05:37spoken , he has already sanctioned

1:05:39Alexandre de Moraes , he is sanctioned

1:05:40under the Magnitsky Act .

1:05:41Yes .

1:05:42There are several developments , there

1:05:44are several things . Ah , his family

1:05:46bought a property for 17 million , it

1:05:48was 17 million reais , right , that they

1:05:50bought in cash . Including

1:05:51now in Brasilia , I think 12 million .

1:05:5312 million . How does a judge earn

1:05:5546,000 reais ? Bought through the family

1:05:57company . No , because here is the

1:06:00interesting part , television , Globo's

1:06:01news outlet said : " No , but it's the

1:06:03family company . "

1:06:05But then the two sons and the wife

1:06:07it's him ,

1:06:08it's him ,

1:06:09it's his money , you understand ? It is

1:06:10his money .

1:06:11To tell me he didn't know he was buying

1:06:13the property in cash , he did just like

1:06:14a poor person , girl , he gave 6 million

1:06:16and then gave another 6 million . Look

1:06:17at that . It's impressive , right ? So ,

1:06:20not to mention the other properties he

1:06:21had already bought through the same

1:06:23company .

1:06:23Alexandre de Moraes is a billionaire .

1:06:25These guys are multi-millionaires and

1:06:28billionaires . So , yes , there is hope

1:06:31that the amnesty law will be voted on

1:06:33in the National Congress

1:06:36broad , general , and unrestricted . And

1:06:38that will reach even President

1:06:40Bolsonaro himself , Daniel Silveira , and

1:06:42so many others , right , so that the

1:06:44country can be pacified , because the

1:06:46way things are , it really can't stay

1:06:48the way things are , Ju ,

1:06:49it just can't . Folks , look , we're

1:06:51already finishing up . What's this ? But

1:06:56before finishing , right , we need that

1:06:58message , with everything we're living

1:07:00through today in our country , the

1:07:02people are already desperate . What

1:07:05message would you like to leave today

1:07:07for those who feel persecuted ,

1:07:08especially ? We have many young people

1:07:10who today are putting their faces on

1:07:11the internet , right ? We have people ,

1:07:13even the elderly are already using it

1:07:15too , they are posting . But there are

1:07:17people who are even afraid to comment

1:07:19on our videos because they say : " Go

1:07:21ahead , what message do you have to

1:07:22leave for them ? "

1:07:23Be steadfast and constant , always

1:07:25abundant in the work of the Lord ,

1:07:26because your labor is not in vain in

1:07:28the Lord . Well , these are dark times .

1:07:31We live in a very difficult period , but

1:07:33we made it here . Who would say we could

1:07:37elect a right-wing president in 2018 ?

1:07:40It was practically impossible . Against

1:07:42everything and everyone . Bolsonaro had

1:07:447 seconds on television , 1 million

1:07:46reais for a presidential campaign . That

1:07:48is nothing . One million reais . Zero

1:07:51political support , zero support from a

1:07:52political godfather . Bolsonaro only had

1:07:55the people , and the people went there ,

1:07:57made the choice , and we managed to

1:07:59elect a president . They did everything ,

1:08:01right ? The Supreme Court released Lula ,

1:08:05they did everything they could to

1:08:07arrest us , but we remained . Today we

1:08:10are going through a bad moment , but we

1:08:12cannot give up . We have to keep

1:08:15fighting , not just for ourselves , but

1:08:17for the next generations . I tell you

1:08:20this . Love your wife , love your family ,

1:08:24be faithful to God , be faithful to your

1:08:26principles , because nothing beats hard

1:08:28work , nothing beats an honest man who

1:08:30gets up , nothing surpasses , as

1:08:32Chesterton said , nothing surpasses an

1:08:34ordinary man in an ordinary house with

1:08:37an ordinary family . Nothing surpasses

1:08:39that . If we have evolved as humanity

1:08:42from day one until now , it was because

1:08:45of hardworking men , men who woke up

1:08:48early , men and women who woke up early

1:08:50to bring their daily bread home with

1:08:53dignity . It is not a dictator , because

1:08:55many dictators rise up ,

1:08:56right ?

1:08:57Hitler , Mussolini , right ? All of them

1:09:01rose up , even Roman emperors ,

1:09:03Babylonian , Syrian , Egyptian empires ,

1:09:05so many emperors who today , these

1:09:07empires that enjoyed absurd prestige

1:09:10and whoever looked at the Roman empire

1:09:12said : " This will never pass . " Today

1:09:15what is left of the Roman Empire are

1:09:17ruins and new civilizations and

1:09:19societies have arrived . We need to be

1:09:23resilient , firm , strong and believe in

1:09:26our Brazil . And evidently believe in

1:09:29God . And I end , Ju , with a quote from

1:09:31Mother Teresa of Calcutta , who was a

1:09:33Catholic . She said the following : " Want

1:09:35to save the world ? Go home and love

1:09:37your family . "

1:09:38Guys , how beautiful . After this message

1:09:41, right ? Look , there's no way not to

1:09:43end a podcast with a message like this ,

1:09:45right ? Rafael , thank you so much for

1:09:47participating in our podcast , it was

1:09:50light , it was wonderful , okay ? Uh ,

1:09:52thank you really , because I know how

1:09:54difficult your schedule is today , your

1:09:56rush , and being here in Petropolis

1:09:58recording with us . It shows how human

1:10:01you are

1:10:03and how Black people are reaching power

1:10:05. Isn't that what they want ? It might

1:10:07not be reaching the bubble they want ,

1:10:08but Black people are achieving it . And

1:10:10thank you so much , okay ? Guys ,

1:10:12really , Ju , I want to congratulate you

1:10:13on your work , on your project , on the

1:10:15way you communicate on social media .

1:10:17You are a brilliant woman , mother , wife

1:10:19, congratulations to your family , may

1:10:21you grow a lot in the podcast . But I'm

1:10:23going to reveal something to the

1:10:25audience here . I only came because she

1:10:26talked , she kept asking the whole time ,

1:10:27" Are you really going ? Are you really

1:10:28going ? " I said : " I'm going , man . " It's

1:10:30on the schedule , I'm going ,

1:10:31everything's set and such . I only came

1:10:32because in the end you're going to pay

1:10:34for us at a Lago Sul steakhouse , okay ?

1:10:37So you're going to have to give

1:10:40after this , guys , you send money to the

1:10:42video there .

1:10:43Send it over , hey , super chat there ,

1:10:45support Ju's work there . Guys , thank

1:10:48you . Kisses .