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23:55Good evening everyone and welcome to the
23:57December 2025 council agenda briefing.
24:02We acknowledge and pay respects to the
24:04traditional custodians of this land, the
24:06Wajuk people of the Nunga nation and
24:08their elders, past and present. I would
24:12like to advise everyone that the audio
24:14and video of this meeting is being
24:16livereamed to YouTube. I request
24:19everyone to please turn off your mobile
24:21phones. Uh I remind you that audio
24:24recording uh or photography within the
24:26chamber is prohibited unless prior
24:29approval has been granted and councilors
24:32and city officers are reminded to
24:34disclose any declarations of financial
24:36interests and interests affecting
24:38impartiality and are requested to
24:41activate their microphones when
24:43addressing the meeting.
24:45So with that we turn to item one.
24:48Welcome everyone. I declare this meeting
24:50open at 6 p.m.
24:53Items for council. Agenda items 2, 3, 6,
24:587, 8.1, 8.2, 9, 11, 13, and 14 will be
25:05dealt with at the ordinary council
25:07meeting to be held on 16 December 2025.
25:12I do notice we've got a very packed
25:14gallery this evening. It's been a while
25:16since we've seen this many people here.
25:18Uh so uh everyone please play nice. Um
25:22if you're able to view proceedings from
25:24the auxiliary reception room, please do
25:28uh and please give those who are making
25:30deputations make sure that they've got
25:32easy access to the microphone and and
25:34when they're giving up the microphone
25:36for the next person making a deputation.
25:39That brings us to item four, which is
25:42attendance. Item 4.1 is apologies. I
25:45haven't received any apologies for this
25:47evening.
25:48Item 4.2 is approved leaves of absence.
25:52Councelor Bramman Moore has an approved
25:54leave of absence for the period of 25
25:56November 2025 to 7 February 2026
26:00inclusive, but she's here with us
26:02tonight. And councelor Jacqueline Raison
26:05has an approved leave of absence for the
26:07period of 1 December 2025 to 10 December
26:112025 inclusive. But once again, she's
26:14here with us tonight.
26:17Item five is declarations of interest
26:19and uh we've got a few so please do bear
26:21with me.
26:27Mayor Greg Milner, that's me. I've
26:29declared an impartiality interest in
26:31item 10.1.1
26:34as over the years I've developed
26:36positive working relationships with many
26:38local sporting organizations and
26:40community clubs that have or potentially
26:43have an interest in this item. Councelor
26:47Steven Russell has declared an
26:48impartiality interest in item 10.1.1
26:51as my son is a part-time paid coach for
26:55the South Perth Junior Cricket Club. The
26:58South Perth Junior Cricket Club is a
27:00stakeholder in the proposed Challenger
27:02Reserve concept design and master plan.
27:05As a consequence, there may be a
27:06perception that my impartiality on the
27:08matter may be affected. I declare that I
27:11will consider this matter on its merits
27:12and vote accordingly.
27:15Mayor Greg Milner, me again. I've
27:17declared an impartiality interest in
27:19item 10.3.2
27:21as over the years I've developed
27:23positive working relationships with
27:25individuals and organizations who might
27:27potentially be affected by this item.
27:30I've also declared an impartiality
27:32interest in item 10.4.3
27:35as I know a number of the members of the
27:37Royal Perth Golf Club. Councelor Kathy
27:40Lees has declared an impartiality
27:42interest in item 10.4. 4.3 as I am a
27:46co-founder of the South Perth tree
27:48canopy advocates and a co-founder and
27:51committee member of the WA tree canopy
27:53advocates that were formed with the
27:55objective of advocating for the
27:57protection and expansion of our urban
28:00tree canopy. I also have friends who are
28:03members of the Royal Perth Golf Club.
28:05Notwithstanding these interests, I will
28:06consider the item on its merits in the
28:08best interests of our community in
28:10accordance with my obligations under the
28:12Local Government Act 1995.
28:15Councelor Lees has also declared an
28:17impartiality interest in item 10.3.5
28:21as I am a co-founder of the South Perth
28:23Tree Canopy Advocates and a co-founder
28:25and committee member of the WA tree
28:28canopy city of South Perth Advocates
28:31that were formed with the objective of
28:33advocating for the protection and
28:34expansion of our urban tree canopy.
28:37Notwithstanding this interest, I will
28:39consider the item on its merits in the
28:41best interests of our community in
28:43accordance with my obligations under the
28:45local government act 1995.
28:48Mayor Greg Milner, me again. I've
28:50declared an impartiality interest in
28:52item 12.2 as councelor Howling's motion
28:56specifically names me and seeks to
28:58increase my reporting requirements. I've
29:01also declared an impartiality interest
29:02in item 12.3 as once again councelor
29:07Howling's motion specifically names me
29:09and seeks to increase my reporting
29:10requirements.
29:12I've declared a financial and proximity
29:15sorry financial and impartiality
29:16interest in item 12.7 as councelor
29:20Howling's motion seeks to remove my
29:22access to the mal vehicle. I've also
29:24declared a financial and proximity
29:26interest in item 12.8 eight as councelor
29:30Howling's motion potentially has
29:31financial and or proximity interest
29:34implications for people who have
29:36contributed to my me or re-election
29:38campaigns in the past.
29:40Mayor Greg Milner, me again. Sorry
29:42folks. I've declared an impartiality
29:44interest in item 12.10 as councelor
29:47Howling's motion specifically names me
29:49and seeks a cost review of any
29:51secretarial or administrative support
29:54provided to me. Councelor Kathy Lees has
29:57declared an impartiality interest in
29:59item 12.1 as I am a co-founder of the
30:02South Perth Tree Canopy Advocates and a
30:04co-founder and committee member of the
30:07WA tree canopy advocates that were
30:09formed with the objective of advocating
30:11for the protection and expansion of our
30:14urban tree canopy. Notwithstanding this
30:16interest, I will consider the item on
30:18its merits in the best interests of our
30:20community in accordance with my
30:22obligations under the local government
30:23act 1995.
30:26And finally, councelor Kathy Lees has
30:28also declared an impartiality interest
30:30in item 12.12 as I am a co-founder of
30:33the South Perth tree canopy advocates.
30:36It's the same as the last one, isn't it?
30:37Councelor Lee. All right, I think every
30:39everyone's got the gist. Okay,
30:41councilors. Uh does anyone else
30:43councelor Bo another interest to
30:45declare?
30:46>> Thank you Mr. Mayor. Yes. In item 10.3.2
30:49and item 10.4.3.
30:52Um in respect to both of those it's
30:54impartiality. Uh and uh in respect to
30:5810.3.2
30:59uh I know some people who live in that
31:01building. Um and in respect to the
31:0410.4.3
31:06um I know quite a number of members of
31:07the golf club. Um but none of in both
31:10cases um neither of them are closely
31:12associated persons. Thank you.
31:14>> Thank you councelor B counselors.
31:16Councelor Raison.
31:17>> Thank you Mr. Mayor. I also will declare
31:19an impartiality interest. I've now had a
31:21look at the listing of deputations for
31:23this evening and a number of the people
31:25making deputations are known to me and
31:28I've also had meetings with them. This
31:30is in relation to item 10.4.3,
31:33item 12.8 and item 12.1. Thank you.
31:37Thank you, councelor Raison. Councelors,
31:39any other declarations of interest?
31:41Councelor Prenal.
31:42>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, also an
31:45impartiality interest um in 10.43.
31:50Um, as there are, I believe, only one,
31:53but possibly more of the members of the
31:55Royal Perth Golf Club who are known to
31:57me. Um, but, uh, it's an impartiality
32:00interest, this, um, will not affect my
32:02judgment on this item. Thank you.
32:05>> Thank you.
32:06All right. Any other declarations to be
32:08made, counselors?
32:10No. Okay.
32:13That brings us to item eight, which is
32:15presentations. Item 8.3 is deputations.
32:19And this evening, we've got 15 speakers
32:21who will have up to 10 minutes uh each
32:24to address council. We do have a large
32:27number of deputations. So, I'm going to
32:29ask everyone that to ensure a respectful
32:32and efficient meeting. Those present who
32:35have requested to deputize on more than
32:37one item, please uh limit the deputation
32:40to 10 minutes in total. And uh I'm going
32:43to remind everyone that uh everyone's
32:45insights and perspectives are very
32:47valuable. Uh but please do keep comments
32:50concise uh to the point and to and
32:53respectful to elected members and city
32:56officers. And to the extent that there's
32:58no need to repeat points that perhaps
33:00other deputies have already made, that
33:02would be appreciated.
33:04Now, I'm conscious that there might be a
33:06couple of items in particular that uh
33:08that I'd say, well, I'm guessing, but
33:12maybe a significant chunk of the people
33:13in the gallery are here to listen to.
33:16So, I'm going to prioritize the
33:18deputations for those two items first.
33:20Um, particularly since we don't have
33:22enough seating room for everyone. So I'm
33:25going to begin by inviting Dr. Sue
33:27Gilead of Sultter Point who is speaking
33:30for the officer recommendation at item
33:3210.1.1.
33:34Welcome to you Dr. Gilead. Uh the the
33:37floor is yours and we look forward to
33:38your deputation.
33:41>> Thank you Mayor Mja. Uh good evening,
33:45mayor, um councilors, uh city officers,
33:48and a special welcome to the new CEO,
33:51Ms. Ledger, and also to the new director
33:54of corporate services.
33:56Where is she?
33:58>> Oh, I thought she Miss Webster.
34:00>> You're not Bri, are you?
34:01>> No, no. U Mr. Lock is filling in for for
34:04Miss Webster tonight.
34:06>> Okay. It's great to have you both
34:08aboard. This evening, the Salt Point
34:11Community Group seeks to in general
34:13support the office's recommendation that
34:16council request the CEO to present
34:18funding options for the Challenger
34:20reserve concept design during the 2627
34:24budgeting process. We wish to add some
34:27qualifications to this support and as
34:30well we wish to make some observations
34:32about the nature of motions at item 12.
34:36First to the challenger master plan. As
34:38best we know, the start of master plan
34:41discussions takes us back to 219 when
34:44CCS strategic was engaged by the city to
34:47conduct the master plan process. That's
34:50over 5 years ago. Uh I've also been told
34:54tonight that consultation began way back
34:56in 217. So that's actually seven years
34:59ago. In 219, the intention of the master
35:03plan process was colllocation and
35:06amalgamation of facilities. Instead, the
35:09raft project developed a life and the
35:11prospect of any of its own and the
35:14prospect of any redevelopment challenger
35:17came to a halt. Thanks to a Cricket
35:19Australia grant though, the installation
35:21of a synthetic cricket pitch happened
35:23without a master plan.
35:26So when it was back on the agenda in
35:282025, many of us were grateful.
35:32Currently home to lawn bowls, tennis,
35:34soccer, and cricket, we were hopeful
35:36that a new concept plan would offer a
35:38multi-purpose building to support
35:40several clubs and accommodate both
35:42exclusive use where necessary and
35:45maximize shared spaces.
35:48But as you will see, the costings are
35:51just under 38 million.
35:54In 2022, the figure was a modest 9.9
35:57million for some essential works as well
35:59as stage discretionary works. So without
36:03winning lotto or having another go at
36:05garnering state government support, it's
36:07obvious that 38 million is a bit
36:10exorbitant.
36:12According to the community facilities
36:14plan, the city needs to spend
36:16approximately 88 million on community
36:18wreck facilities over the next 20 years
36:21just to maintain those facilities. So 38
36:25mil is a significant portion of this to
36:28be spent in the next 5 years on the
36:30challenger master plan were it to
36:32proceed as detailed.
36:35Hence, it seems crucial that the plan
36:36goes back for a rescoping, maybe even
36:39back to a single story.
36:42We also note the parks and leisure
36:44Australia guidelines for sports
36:46infrastructure advocate where possible
36:48opportunities to colllocate facilities
36:51and shared use of facilities should be
36:53explored to develop flexible,
36:56sustainable and viable facilities.
36:59It appears this design has achieved the
37:01collocation objective but not so much
37:04the shared facilities objective. There
37:07are reasons for this of course but
37:08perhaps avenues for sharing deserve
37:11another look if this proposal is to
37:13continue in some form.
37:16What we absolutely don't want is for the
37:19master plan to fall off the agenda
37:21again. But we are of course asking for
37:24restraint and realism in regard to
37:27expectations for the plan.
37:29We need to cut its jib to fit the size
37:31of the cloth so to speak otherwise it
37:34may become a second ref.
37:38Finally we make some observations about
37:41the numerous motions at item 12. The
37:44SPCG has been a keen observer of at
37:48council meetings for over 10 years now.
37:51If we don't attend, we listen to audio
37:53recordings and watch the live streaming
37:55of meetings.
37:57Got nothing else to do. Um, but if we
38:01don't, yes, if we don't attend, we
38:02listen. In the last 12 months, sadly
38:05though, we have seen a pattern of
38:07uncooperative disruption.
38:10Our desire is for effective and
38:12collaborative working arrangements to be
38:14evident. So, this has concerned us for
38:1712 months now. Hence, we've spoken on
38:20this matter on in three separate
38:22deputations this year and we have
38:24regularly communicated with our members
38:26about what we call shows of poor
38:28governance.
38:30The list of tonight's motions at item 12
38:33is very long. 10 are from the same
38:35councelor. So, just to examine a few of
38:38them, at least four are about the gritty
38:41topic of risk. three home in on the
38:44mayor and a further three refer to
38:47library opening hours. Just a bit little
38:49bit about each of these three areas.
38:52Four motions as I say have have a lot to
38:55say about risk. outstanding risk
38:57activities, the need for a governance
38:59and risk priorities workshop, the need
39:02for a schedule of items for the audit
39:04risk and improvement committee, and the
39:06need for a full copy of the risk
39:08register to the next council meeting.
39:12In our view, we are not aware that this
39:14there is any sizable community sentiment
39:17for such matters. We're not aware of a
39:20swave of rateayers urging the city to do
39:23better with its risk register, with its
39:25risk audits, or making claims that the
39:28city is somehow falling foul of basic
39:30governance, integrity, and
39:32accountability requirements, which a
39:34workshop might fix.
39:37In fact, we are aware of no red flags
39:40from the office of auditor general or
39:42any other of the independent and regular
39:44non-financial audits which occur.
39:48These emotion these motions seem
39:50excessive excessive to us in the context
39:52of a city which has spent much of this
39:55year without a permanent CEO. CEOs
39:58changing in and out of the role. And
40:01from out there in the BBS, we now crave
40:04some stability and a return to or call
40:07for cooperation and respect across city
40:10and council and city offices.
40:13Motions motions at item 12.4, 12.7, and
40:1712.10 are different again. They mostly
40:20focus on the mayor, asking that he
40:23report on his efforts to improve
40:24relations between counselors and
40:26outcomes achieved, wanting to remove his
40:29vehicle, and also asking the CEO to
40:33undertake a cost review of any
40:35secretarial or admin support provided
40:37him. This looks and sounds personal
40:42for us. There is no place for this in
40:45this chamber.
40:47Surely good relations between counselors
40:49are everyone's responsibility. And if
40:52one is serious about car costs, why does
40:54the motion not ask for a review of the
40:57entire fleet?
40:59Again, we are not aware of a bunch of
41:01rate players complaining about the mayor
41:03or car, nor asking about the mayor's
41:05admin or secretarial services.
41:09Item 12.6 Six raises the issue of a
41:1230inut increase in opening hours for the
41:15library which cost nothing
41:18for us. This strays into an operational
41:20matter. Perhaps rather than a risk
41:23workshop, what about a workshop to make
41:25clear the demarcation between councelor
41:27duties and city operational duties?
41:32It's easy to see that a significant
41:34amount of o officer oifa officer time
41:37was dedicated to responding to requests
41:40about these items. These demands
41:42potentially stifle productivity while
41:45this volume of work was being attended
41:48to this month. What work wasn't being
41:50done?
41:52The approach here comes across as simply
41:55bogging down the process of council.
41:58City officers are not perfect by any
42:00means, nor are the rest of us, but they
42:02do need to be able to get on with their
42:04jobs.
42:06We suspect that if a counselor or we
42:08suggest, sorry, if a counselor thinks
42:10the above matters are so important, they
42:13should raise them away from the public
42:15glare. In particular, why not raise the
42:18risk matters with the new CEO so that
42:21the work can be programmed into the
42:23normal course of city business?
42:26Maybe this has already been done, and if
42:28so, no need to raise it here tonight.
42:32Introducing so many of these matters
42:34publicly at one second or third council
42:36meeting just raises questions about
42:39motives.
42:42As said, our deputation tonight is more
42:44of what we've deputized on earlier in
42:462025.
42:48From a rateayer point of view, we don't
42:50find a public debate of this kind
42:52edifying.
42:54Throughout this year, we've maintained
42:56that good relations between councilors
42:58and the administration are key. As we've
43:01said previously, and we stand by this,
43:03it's the norms, behaviors, and actions
43:06of our council which determine good
43:08governance.
43:10Thank you.
43:12>> Thank you very much for your deputation,
43:13Dr. Gilead. Counselors, any questions
43:15for Dr. Gilead on her deputation?
43:19No. Thank you very much.
43:23I'd now like to invite Ms. Joanne Orud
43:25of Como who is speaking on item 10.1.1.
43:31Uh Miss Or here. She might be in the
43:33other room.
43:35>> Ah, here she comes. Fantastic. Welcome
43:38to you, Miss Oord. The microphone is
43:39yours and uh we look forward to your
43:41deputation.
43:42>> Hello. Uh just want to clarify. Evening
43:44everybody. I'm not speaking against
43:46this. There was just for or against and
43:48I'm somewhere in the middle. Okay.
43:52So most of you will know that I don't
43:54approach projects with emotion as it can
43:57create problems. It can get you into
43:59trouble, clouds judgments and weakens
44:02objectivity.
44:04So studies, designs or estimates, they
44:07either work within the constraints
44:08applied or they don't. We can afford
44:11things or we can't. And scopes must
44:13always be realistic, but revision of
44:16scope is entirely possible.
44:18We know escalation costs have been
44:20substantial in recent years and that
44:22trend does continue meaning oversight of
44:25any project stage is crucial to ensure
44:27capital funding doesn't derail us very
44:30early. So we know there was a previous
44:32concept in 2022 and but the raft then
44:35took over and then in May this year we
44:38saw the options assessment of 8 mil
44:40recommending a hybrid option of a new
44:43building with select upgrades and that
44:45options report featured a singlestory
44:47building and this was essentially an
44:50order of magnitude with the use of a
44:51single all-in rate and that's pretty
44:53normal as a high level estimate but
44:55basically it's a big old thumb suck and
44:58there's little project definition and um
45:00exclusions are substantial, but these
45:02initial estimates, they prompt
45:04consideration of funding. What have we
45:06got internally and where can we go
45:08externally?
45:10In the options report, I noted the use
45:12of the words recommended and not
45:14recommended. We know these words aren't
45:16binding. We've all been there before,
45:18but in terms of project development,
45:20there are important when step change or
45:22scope deviation occurs. And a specific
45:25item from that report also caught my
45:27attention. The city stated that a
45:30twostory building would add significant
45:32capital and operational costs and was
45:35not recommended.
45:39So it was a surprise to me to see the
45:41revised twotory concept come through
45:43along with all the external trappings
45:45presented for community consultation.
45:48And it did instantly ring alarm bells
45:50for me about capital funding.
45:54And this revised Challenger concept
45:56actually reminds me a little of the RAPH
45:59concept. Obviously on a smaller scale,
46:02the RAPH kind of became a dream facility
46:04as a concept trying to be all things to
46:06every confirmed and imaginable potential
46:09user. And of course, it was always going
46:12to struggle to become a reality with
46:14those huge funding hurdles.
46:18And I wondered if perhaps a little of
46:19that had occurred here trying to satisfy
46:22the club's wish lists. And I know a
46:24couple of those requests were kind of
46:26poo pooed. Not everyone was adopted. But
46:29on the whole, there wasn't a lot of
46:31refusal
46:33and there doesn't appear to be a whole
46:35lot of sharing of facilities going on in
46:37the true sense of the word.
46:40So when I attended the drop-in session,
46:42I bumped into a couple of acquaintances
46:44both in the same industry and they also
46:47had the same concerns um about capital
46:49funding and was this design truly
46:52necessary.
46:54So on that basis, I wasn't at all
46:56surprised when I saw the estimate for
46:58the revised twotory concept and when I
47:01looked at it in detail, there's an awful
47:02lot of fruit in there.
47:06The 18 Melon reserve was never going to
47:08fly and we've got no state or federal
47:11funding.
47:12Any club contributions will be small fry
47:15pretty much. Um and any minor grants
47:18will kind of be the same.
47:20Sale proceeds from bridge club land will
47:23unlikely be realized until a move from
47:25that bridge club will happen unless some
47:28temporary accommodation can be arranged.
47:31And in truth, I also wonder if applying
47:34that entire proceed of a land sale to
47:37such a facility as challenger is the
47:40best avenue of return on city funds.
47:44And I understand that comment might not
47:45be popular or in fact possible to enact,
47:49but I'm just putting it out there.
47:52But we now have expectation in the
47:54community again and although perhaps
47:57limited to certain portions of that
47:59community, namely the user groups and
48:02the locals,
48:04we must manage that expectation to avoid
48:07a repeat of the raft which became overly
48:10emotive with populist narrative and
48:13project objectivity well and truly left
48:16the building and it was really
48:18disappointing to watch.
48:20We don't need another occurrence of that
48:22or any substantial regret costs.
48:26I don't agree with the consultant's
48:28recommendation to proceed to detail
48:30design. That's of course that's what
48:31they'll say. There's 2 million bucks in
48:33it for them. Um
48:36and project funding isn't their concern.
48:39Unfortunately, it's yours.
48:44So, I'm glad to see the city is not
48:45recommending that path of action.
48:48I also don't agree with their contract
48:50contingency, particularly in these
48:52economic times. As a principal or a head
48:55contractor, I would not accept 5%.
48:58Perhaps there's substantial fat in their
49:00applied rates. Who knows? Their
49:02implementation plan is far too
49:04compressed up front. In my view, it's
49:06almost written as if we're already at
49:08FID. And we're not. We're so far from
49:11that.
49:13I also don't agree entirely with the
49:15city's recommendation tonight. I'm sorry
49:18everybody.
49:20Uh to me this reads that upcoming
49:22decisions will be made on whether
49:23progress whether to progress all or part
49:26of the current concept that being a
49:28twotory with nominated periphery works
49:32and I believe that locks us in too much
49:34and doesn't allow for a true rescoping
49:36of the project while external funding
49:38sources are investigated. We can't
49:40afford this concept as is. I'm not
49:43saying cancel the upgrades altogether.
49:45That's why I said I'm in the middle and
49:48I'm suggesting a significant revision of
49:50scope which is then recosted to see if
49:52we can fund it. Clubs may not get
49:54everything on their wish lists. They may
49:56have to compromise. We all do in life.
49:59But would it be worth considering a new
50:01facility and select external upgrades
50:04based on true need, one that we can fund
50:07responsibly and implement with
50:09certainty.
50:11So I'm going to throw some ideas out
50:13there for Challenger. They're not
50:14exhaustive. They may not all be
50:16palatable to everybody, and I know I'm
50:18not privy to the behind-the-scenes
50:20decisions and inputs that um go on at
50:23council, but they're for your
50:24consideration.
50:26Perhaps the bridge club could stay at
50:28Britain Street. I realize the city may
50:30have had plans to sell off that land,
50:32but it already functions as a bridge
50:34club, and that loses 80 parking bays in
50:36the new design. or remove that second
50:39story altogether and adhere to the
50:41city's original recommendation.
50:43Typically, you can reduce your cost by
50:4525 to 30% dependent on that upper story
50:48complexity.
50:50The football club already operates at
50:52ground level and there is no national
50:54team requiring that upper level view.
50:56The area proposed for the bridge club
50:58could then be turned into function
51:00rooms. or if a bridge club is to move to
51:03challenger perhaps require clubs to
51:06truly share a bit more of the facilities
51:08on a single level. Everyone must
51:10remember we are not in favorable
51:12economic times. Things are costly and
51:15there's no avoiding it.
51:17There was a constraint of tree retention
51:20given to the consultants and you all
51:22know I love our environment. But did
51:24this requirement imposed layout
51:26constraints which then impacted costs?
51:30And if so, how could that cost impact
51:32versus tree retention and new planting
51:36be optimized? I understand the city
51:38likely feels under pressure to adhere to
51:40the UGS given the recent high-profile
51:43events on private land at Aquinus, on
51:46public land at the foreshore, and now at
51:49Royal Perth Golf Club. But would it be
51:51worth having that discussion?
51:55Why allow for WA BS when they've made no
51:57commitment to lease an area and no
52:00mention of capital contributions?
52:02Could the overall footprint be reduced,
52:04meaning the meter squared per user group
52:06be rationalized? And again, compromise
52:10might be necessary.
52:12Could the two tension bowling green
52:14covers be removed from scope at 2.5 mil?
52:17That's pretty sub substantial.
52:20Do all the greens need to be synthetic?
52:22Could a revised layout enable a couple
52:24of greens to stay as is? Does our city
52:27in fact have an over supply of bowling
52:29greens in general? I don't know.
52:33And does the administration have the
52:34capacity to manage another go at this
52:37given their current workload? There are
52:39many concept and estimate elements to
52:42reassess. Whether they're workable or
52:44fundable are matters for investigation
52:47and consideration.
52:48>> 60 seconds.
52:49>> We do have remaining budget from that
52:51350K.
52:53So in closing, whatever decision council
52:56makes next week and in the future
52:58regarding challenger upgrades,
53:00objectivity and financial responsibility
53:03must prevail. Thank you and merry
53:06Christmas everybody.
53:08>> Thank you Miss Or for your deputation.
53:11Counselors, any questions for Miss Or
53:13about her deputation?
53:16>> No. Thank you very much.
53:18>> Thank you.
53:20>> I'd now like to invite Ms. Linda Deutsch
53:22of Manning who is speaking for the
53:24officer recommendation at item 10.1.1.
53:29Welcome to you Miss Deutsch. The
53:30microphone is yours and we look forward
53:32to your deputation.
53:33>> Thank you very much mayor.
53:36Thank you for the opportunity to speak
53:37to this item. Mayor, councilors, city
53:39officers, and welcoming Miss Ledger and
53:43uh Miss Websdale to their recent
53:44appointments. I've been the chairperson
53:47of the Manning Community Association for
53:48over 13 years and this volunteer body
53:54supporting the local community for 17
53:56years and matters of interest and
53:58concern. We seek to support the
54:00officer's recommendation in that the
54:02council request the CEO to present
54:05funding options for the challenger
54:06reserve concept design in the budgeting
54:09process for 2026 and 2027.
54:13But in real in to be realistic and um to
54:16manage expectations.
54:19So what is feasible? Basically I am
54:21speaking on the need for the long-
54:23aaited upgrade of Challenger Reserve to
54:25meet our sporting and community needs
54:27for our broader South Perth suburbs and
54:29local residents. Requesting council to
54:32accept the opportunity for redevelopment
54:34and implement a long-term financial plan
54:37to bring this muchneeded enhanced
54:40facility to fruition. This reserve
54:42development has been on the MCA, Manning
54:45Community Association agenda for over
54:47six years and originally had two
54:49representatives from our team involved
54:52in the process which developed the 2019
54:54master plan. So, it's been in our focus
54:57for quite a long time. Three years
54:59later, our team questioned the lack of
55:01implementation and the extensive
55:03timeline in a glossy city document
55:05entitled Community Recreation Facilities
55:08Plan 2019 to 2033.
55:12And I still had it in my file, which
55:14started which started to look
55:16unrealistic.
55:19And so in 2022, we provided a proposal
55:21for a muchneeded dog exercise area after
55:25raising this with the city and were
55:26asked to submit the idea. Then the
55:29recreational aquatic facility RAF took
55:32flight and challenger was put on the
55:34back burner. As we all know, in August
55:372023, the Manning Bowling Club
55:39approached the MCA for support about
55:41concerns in lack of consultation and
55:43unrealistic timelines with the master
55:46plan and asked that the community
55:48involve the major stakeholders affected
55:50by the plan. in light of council to
55:53resolve not to progress delivery of the
55:55RAF and also resolve to attempt to have
55:58the $20 million federal grant redirected
56:02toward other community projects. It was
56:05timely to facilitate a forum that would
56:07ensure open communication.
56:10We all seem to be on different pages and
56:12we were not sure of what was happening.
56:14It was hoped that the 20 million
56:16anticipated from the federal government
56:18may be redirected to resurrect the
56:20challenger master plan. Hence, the MCA
56:23proposed a community meeting with the
56:25city for everyone to be on the same page
56:27and requesting that the original plan be
56:30reviewed and a feasibility study be done
56:33to assess the reality of the 2019 master
56:36plan due to two years of delay in
56:39addressing the community concern and to
56:41get communication flowing. We were
56:43advised in June 2024 that the city
56:45officer would be facilitating individual
56:48stakeholder meetings and a feasibility
56:51review would be proposed to council in
56:53September 2024.
56:55Our community was pleased to see the
56:57city put the Challenger reserve back on
56:59the agenda this year for a multi-purpose
57:01facility and associated amenities to be
57:04considered.
57:06asking the community and stakeholders
57:08for their wish list,
57:10which um obviously is misleading to
57:13expectations as Joe pointed out. Well,
57:16it is no surprise that the costings are
57:18blown out in the consolidated proposal.
57:20Um so, and it it's exorbitant and we
57:24appreciate that. We now support the
57:26planning to be rescoped and if necessary
57:28be implemented in a staged approach as
57:31this reserve and clubs deserve better
57:34facilities and our community warrants a
57:36facility that will become the heart of
57:38our community and one that all South
57:40Perth residents can use and be proud of.
57:43We need the city to be realistic in
57:45redevelopment of the challenger reserve
57:48master plan and provide for our growing
57:50supporting needs and community
57:52engagement and totally appreciate
57:54rescoping is necessary to manage these
57:57huge expectations that um basically was
58:00put out as a wish list and yeah again we
58:03don't want that happening. So this is a
58:05valid opportunity for our council to
58:08support the citizens they represent and
58:10come together as a team which we request
58:13you to do in consideration of this.
58:15Thank you.
58:18>> Thank you very much for your deputation.
58:19>> Thank you
58:20>> councilors. Any questions for Miss
58:22Deutsch this evening?
58:24>> No. Thank you for the deputation.
58:26>> Thanks.
58:28>> All right. Uh I'm now going to jump to
58:31item 12.8. Uh so I'm going to invite Mr.
58:35Mal Dempsey of South Perth who is
58:38speaking for the notice of motion at
58:40item 12.8. If Mr. Dempsey could please
58:44come to the microphone.
58:46There he is. Welcome to you Mr. Dempsey.
58:49The microphone is yours. We look forward
58:50to your deputation.
58:55>> Mr. Mayor, counselors, ladies and
58:57gentlemen. Huge turnout.
59:00Must be something happening.
59:05Basically, my name's Mel Dempsey. I'm a
59:07long-term resident of and a business
59:09owner and a local community member. I've
59:12sold a lot of properties over last 30 or
59:1640 years to clients
59:18uh along the Esplanard and South Perth
59:21peninsula gen.
59:23and they're people who are buying as a
59:27Perth base or a future retirement in
59:30what's an iconic and incomparable
59:31destination.
59:33So I speak on behalf of these clients
59:35now and they're now mates from all over
59:37the state, you know, from Bustelled,
59:38Calguri, you know, up north and most of
59:43them are saying to me, enough is enough.
59:46The excessive noise of unmuffled exhaust
59:48systems is intolerable and the speeding
59:50is dangerous.
59:52Even taking the dog for a late night
59:54walk, you know, my wife's half the size
59:57of me, comes with dangers of some hoon,
1:00:01you know, generally with criminal
1:00:02element. You know, they're down down
1:00:03there dealing and whatever they're doing
1:00:05at the end of the car park. Uh, and they
1:00:10yell verbal obscenities in response to
1:00:12them signaling to slow down. And just
1:00:16this week, an 81-year-old man was hit
1:00:18with an ax for a similar gesture in one
1:00:20of the caravan parks just south.
1:00:23Residents have taken upon themselves to
1:00:25film and monitor continual law breaking
1:00:27only to be disregarded by council and
1:00:30police. It is not up to residents to be
1:00:32policing these thugs. It is dangerous
1:00:34and could escalate dramatically. with
1:00:37the current level of angst and sleep
1:00:39deprivation which is a major cause of
1:00:41mental illness and I even heard recently
1:00:44it's hearsay but somewhere at the point
1:00:47of of where they were basically prepared
1:00:50to take the law into their own hands
1:00:53such is the level of anger in the
1:00:55community over the huning and carryon
1:01:01the road traffic act has existing laws
1:01:03for speeding and excessive noise council
1:01:06also has powers under the noise
1:01:08abatement and neighborhood disturbance.
1:01:10You know, to stop this antisocial
1:01:12behavior,
1:01:14council needs to provide an after hours
1:01:16ranger to monitor and issue move on
1:01:18notices to those parked up and playing
1:01:20loud music late into the night. They
1:01:23also need to be fronting state
1:01:24government regarding enforcement of road
1:01:26traffic laws, asking why yellow stickers
1:01:29are not issued and why cars are not
1:01:31being impounded and crushed. There seems
1:01:33to be a core group of only about half a
1:01:35dozen serial offenders and news news of
1:01:39crushing a couple of cars would soon
1:01:41spread and curtail the behavior.
1:01:44Currently, council provides no after
1:01:46hours contact.
1:01:48And specifically in relation to the
1:01:51motion, I would say that the corner is
1:01:55dangerous. you know, where the in 1A
1:01:58where the where where there's a
1:01:59pedestrian crossing AC um well, it's not
1:02:01a crossing, but people believe there's a
1:02:03crossing and they just wander across
1:02:05from the ferry to up Men Street across
1:02:08the road because it's got some painted
1:02:10lines there, which anyway, it's
1:02:12dangerous. And I've seen people knocked
1:02:14off bikes here on a few occasions. I
1:02:16haven't seen a pedestrian hit yet, but
1:02:18I've almost seen a little kid ride out
1:02:19onto a on a on a a toddler walk out onto
1:02:22that part of the road.
1:02:25So it is dangerous.
1:02:27Uh it needs a designated pedestrian
1:02:30crossing but it needs to be
1:02:34have lights there as well so that it's
1:02:36not just Brown's cows wandering across
1:02:39there aimlessly. You know it needs to be
1:02:41set times to go across as per the lights
1:02:44from across Labashier to go to the front
1:02:46of the zoo and also to cross from the uh
1:02:49Windsor to cross over to the zoo that
1:02:51way. Uh, I note that that crossing on
1:02:54the corner of men's and uh and Milpoint
1:02:58Road shouldn't be a four-way walk. It
1:03:01all it does is hinder traffic flow
1:03:03altogether.
1:03:04Uh, I'm 1B. I'm against speed humps and
1:03:07lowering speed limits. Uh, it will not
1:03:10reduce noise level. All they'll do is
1:03:12drive in first and second gear. And, uh,
1:03:15it's it's the noise which is is a
1:03:18killer. uh is is it won't stop the noise
1:03:23and it will only be exacerbated the
1:03:25noise from trucks etc bouncing across
1:03:27speed humps and whatever and there's
1:03:29going to be a lot of trucks in that
1:03:30location next year there's three new
1:03:32developments happening on south espanard
1:03:33alone couple of big towers happening on
1:03:36Milpoint road um so I think you know
1:03:39trucks breaking and bouncing and we
1:03:42we've got a chicane out the front of our
1:03:44place and they treat it as like a
1:03:47chicane like in a racetrack You know,
1:03:49like they they get up to probably 120
1:03:51plus kilometers an hour, drop it down a
1:03:54couple of gears, bang, bang, bang, bang,
1:03:56bang on the way through, and then cut
1:03:58through there as if it's a racetrack.
1:04:00Uh, more lighting along the boardwalk is
1:04:02favored. Point two, uh, and also is
1:04:06favored the closing of the car park on
1:04:08the east end. Uh, as I say,
1:04:12neighbors of mine have witnessed several
1:04:15people dealing whatever they're dealing.
1:04:17uh and it's a meeting place for
1:04:19antisocial gatherings and legal
1:04:20transactions. So if we can close that
1:04:24it's a start uh and the monitoring
1:04:28will improve safety especially if the
1:04:30monitor behavior is acted upon and I
1:04:34think I've covered points five and six
1:04:36already. Thanks very much. Thank you for
1:04:38your deput folks.
1:04:41I've got to be fair to everyone. uh we
1:04:44we we don't boo or jeer, but we don't
1:04:47applaud either. We we we listen
1:04:48respectfully. So, uh that's that's the
1:04:50warning. I appreciate the sentiment, but
1:04:53hey, no, come on.
1:04:57We we want everyone to be heard, but I
1:04:59won't tolerate disrespect. So, please um
1:05:02counselors, any questions for Mr.
1:05:04Dempsey? Councelor Hingling.
1:05:09>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um Mr. Dempsey,
1:05:12last year in December, you met together
1:05:14with the mayor at that time and engaged
1:05:17in some consultation together with the
1:05:19council. What was the outcome of that
1:05:21meeting that you had in December and
1:05:24what were the action items that were
1:05:26then uh suggested or proposed and what
1:05:29was the effect of that?
1:05:30>> Can you remind me what the meeting was
1:05:32about again?
1:05:32>> Yes. Uh it's report it was reported on
1:05:34the 10th of December 2024 to the
1:05:36ordinary council meeting that there was
1:05:38a meeting together with the mayor uh
1:05:41that took place on the 21st of November
1:05:432024 and residents yourself and Mr. Tana
1:05:46to discuss issues including hooting on
1:05:49the south Perth foreshore. So it's about
1:05:52a year ago. I understand if your memory
1:05:54may have faded but do you have any
1:05:56recollection of what's
1:05:57>> I I remember they they put some
1:05:59monitoring up. They put cameras up at
1:06:00the end of end of our street and they
1:06:02were they were monitored for probably a
1:06:05month. Uh that information was gathered.
1:06:09I think uh one of our immediate
1:06:12neighbors uh we'll probably talk on that
1:06:14more soon. I think she's deputized and
1:06:16she's also speaking. But they went she
1:06:19went to council. Council said, "Oh,
1:06:21there's nothing we we haven't got the
1:06:24people to monitor it." She went to
1:06:25Kensington Police Station. They said the
1:06:27same thing. It's not their problem. can
1:06:29go and see council. So like I say, it
1:06:32gets to a point where nothing has
1:06:33happened.
1:06:36>> Any further questions for Mr. Dempsey?
1:06:38Councilors,
1:06:40councelor Hing,
1:06:41>> thank you. And was there any effect uh
1:06:43by the cameras that were then put up? Uh
1:06:46did that have any moderating effect to
1:06:48any of the behavior that you identified?
1:06:50>> Yeah, well they they put the cameras up.
1:06:52They also for a very short period of
1:06:54time had 40 km an hour speed limit signs
1:06:57up. That did nothing because if they're
1:07:01going to do 20 km an hour or 40 km an
1:07:03hour, they don't come past there. They
1:07:05come past there at 100 km an hour. So,
1:07:08you know, changing the speed limit much
1:07:10is not going to do anything unless
1:07:11they've got police there to catch them
1:07:13and crush their cars and teach them a
1:07:15lesson.
1:07:17>> Thank you, Mr. Dempsey. Councilors, any
1:07:20further questions? Council Lee,
1:07:24>> uh, thank you for your deputation. Um, I
1:07:26just had a query. Uh, the notice of
1:07:29motion talks about, um, making, um, a
1:07:32section or Milpoint closed one way at a
1:07:35certain point of time and it talks about
1:07:37some service roads being closed. Um, I
1:07:40just wondered if you had a an opinion on
1:07:42those.
1:07:43>> Oh, I'm in favor of that. You know, I
1:07:45think whatever we can do to, you know,
1:07:47to, you know, to minimize the amount of
1:07:49through traffic is good. Uh, and I know
1:07:52Mr. Tanner is actually speaking on on
1:07:55that specifically later on, but I am in
1:07:57favor of doing what he's what he
1:07:58suggests. Yeah.
1:08:00>> Okay. So, but to just clarify, you said
1:08:03you weren't in favor of the reducing the
1:08:05speeds or the speed.
1:08:06>> I I just don't think they'll be
1:08:07effective, you know, like because the
1:08:09problem is like the
1:08:12is their modified exhaust system is is
1:08:15just a straight outlet without any
1:08:17muffling at all. And they it makes a
1:08:21really loud noise when they accelerate
1:08:23and a really loud noise when they
1:08:25decelerate.
1:08:26>> And uh it's just, you know, you like
1:08:29it's
1:08:30Like I say, I know people who have
1:08:32actually in suggested that they were
1:08:35going to get stingers and things like
1:08:36that to sort of and I said, "No, don't
1:08:38do that
1:08:39>> yet."
1:08:41>> Thank you.
1:08:42>> Any further questions? Councelor
1:08:43Hingley.
1:08:44>> Sorry. What are stingers? I'm sorry for
1:08:46that.
1:08:48>> It's something the police use to throw
1:08:49out onto the road and bust all their
1:08:50tires
1:08:53>> instantly.
1:08:55councilors. Uh just before I ask if
1:08:57there's any other questions, I'm going
1:08:58to remind everyone that we've got 15
1:09:00deputations to get through tonight and
1:09:03uh I'm pretty sure once a meeting goes
1:09:06past 3 hours uh the ability to make
1:09:09decent decisions deteriorates
1:09:11marketkedly. So any further questions
1:09:13for Mr. Dempsey? Councelor Razison.
1:09:16>> Thank you for your deputation, Mr.
1:09:17Dempsey. One of the things that uh the
1:09:19city had tried initially was to close
1:09:21the Miller's Pool car park and I've had
1:09:24some comments from some in the area that
1:09:26that has moved the issue down to the
1:09:28next car park. Would you say that that
1:09:31is the case and if we close that car
1:09:33park will it move do you think or is it
1:09:35just the South Perth Espanard that you
1:09:37think is the attraction? I think it was
1:09:39I think it was successful in the fact
1:09:40that all those people off the freeway g
1:09:43used to gather under the narrows now
1:09:46will gather up the other end of the at
1:09:47the car park 101 I think it is the south
1:09:50p espanard end of or the east end of
1:09:52south p espanard so it's just
1:09:54transferred the problem here
1:09:58any further questions councilors
1:10:01no thank you for your deputation Mr.
1:10:03Dempsey.
1:10:03>> Thank you for your time.
1:10:05>> All right. I'd now like to invite Mr.
1:10:08Peter Carter who is speaking for the
1:10:10notice of motion at item 12.8. Uh,
1:10:13welcome Mr. Carter. The There we go. Uh,
1:10:17the microphone is yours and we look
1:10:19forward to your deputation.
1:10:24>> Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, counselors.
1:10:27Standing roaring out there.
1:10:31Um, yes. So um I live at 93 South Perth
1:10:35Esplanard and um I've lived on the South
1:10:39Panard for nearly 30 years.
1:10:42Um and I'm just going to talk primarily
1:10:44about the honing. I've only got three
1:10:46points to make and one recommended
1:10:48solution.
1:10:49Um firstly it's real. I think you've all
1:10:52got the pictures I sent through about
1:10:54the skid marks. Um well you should have
1:10:57on um both the South B18 and Main
1:11:00Street. Um, it's real. It's really bad.
1:11:05It's really noisy. And it's absolutely
1:11:08deliberate.
1:11:10And it's all about the noise,
1:11:13the riving.
1:11:15That's why they do it. And they just do
1:11:18it to annoy us.
1:11:20They'll almost stop in front of your
1:11:22house and rev it and then move on and
1:11:25move on to the next one and rev it.
1:11:28um they're just that's their idea of
1:11:30having a good time.
1:11:33So that's my first point. It's real. My
1:11:36second point, it's every night.
1:11:41It has been since you closed the
1:11:44Miller's pool car park.
1:11:47Every night for well over a year. So
1:11:49when I go home tonight, that'll be my
1:11:51entertainment.
1:11:54My third point,
1:11:56and this is I think one that you should
1:11:59all really take big note of. This is not
1:12:01just a South Perth Espanard issue or a
1:12:05Millerspool issue. This is a whole of
1:12:08city of South Perth issue.
1:12:12You just haven't realized it yet.
1:12:14Why do I say that?
1:12:17Once they know they can't come to the
1:12:19south Perth Espanard, they'll move down
1:12:21the road like they did for Miller's
1:12:24pool. They go to Coot Street, they go to
1:12:27Douglas Avenue, then they'll go to
1:12:29Jubilee Street, then they'll go to
1:12:31Renlay Cresant, then they'll go to Swan
1:12:33View Terrace, one after the other.
1:12:38So, I appreciate um Chancellor Hing's
1:12:41detailed assessment and suggestions, but
1:12:44in my view, it's pointless doing road
1:12:47modifications,
1:12:48pointless doing road directional
1:12:50changes, reducing speeds, traffic
1:12:53calming devices. They just move to
1:12:55another street
1:12:58and you'll end up repeating again.
1:13:00You'll chase your tail and you'll waste
1:13:03money.
1:13:05So, what do you do?
1:13:08What's the solution? The only thing that
1:13:11will stop these people is by police
1:13:12charging them,
1:13:15particularly issuing them with defect
1:13:17notices on their prized possessions.
1:13:21But the police will not allocate the
1:13:24resources to do that. And if they do, it
1:13:26won't be for any length of period of
1:13:28time. They got more important things to
1:13:30do. So, we might get a little bit out of
1:13:33them, but it'll be a a a band-aid on a
1:13:37on a large wound. So, we you the council
1:13:42need to look after ourselves.
1:13:45So, how do we do that? Two ways. Invest
1:13:50in a mobile noise activated
1:13:53CTV unit that collects evidence that
1:13:56police will accept and prosecute on.
1:14:00deploy it immediately to the south Perth
1:14:03Espolad
1:14:04and then move it on to the next place
1:14:07where they moved to.
1:14:10An investment by the council will
1:14:12protect all
1:14:14of South Perth, not just South Panard or
1:14:18Millersport from honing for this issue
1:14:21will likely continue for some time.
1:14:26So the aim here is to move them out of
1:14:29city of South Perth.
1:14:32Ultimately this is a wider issue. It's a
1:14:34community issue. It's a police issue.
1:14:38But your responsibilities are to the
1:14:39rateayers of the city of South Perth.
1:14:43That's an unfortunate truth and that's
1:14:45an unavoidable truth.
1:14:48So invest in the mobile unit. And
1:14:51secondly, yes, meet with the police to
1:14:54advocate to get them on board to stop
1:14:56the hooning and use of the nitrous
1:14:58oxide. The aim is to catch the repeat
1:15:02offenders and issue defense notice as
1:15:04there's nothing else that will give us
1:15:05some respite until the CTDV unit unit
1:15:08might turn up.
1:15:11This needs action now.
1:15:14This is not a what we can't do moment
1:15:17for council and council officers. It's
1:15:20what a can we do moment.
1:15:23We don't need investigations or
1:15:25bureaucracy or delays.
1:15:28Um the sorts of things that you can read
1:15:30in some of the response to the notice of
1:15:33motion. What we do need to do is reduce
1:15:37the request to the officers to just
1:15:40those two items which will be the
1:15:43effective and then efficient use of the
1:15:45officer's time and it will lead to a
1:15:47quick response.
1:15:49As to the budget, it'll be an out-
1:15:51of-budget spend. And if it's an out-of-
1:15:53budget spend, it's an out-of- budget
1:15:55spend. Otherwise, what do we do? Wait
1:15:57another year to let you go through your
1:15:59budget and put it into the budget.
1:16:02Something that we all know needs doing.
1:16:05It's been on for two years now since the
1:16:07Miller's Pool thing happened and that
1:16:09was over a year two years ago. So,
1:16:11that's been closed for a year and it's
1:16:12just transferred it. So, it's something
1:16:15that needs to be done. So, get on and
1:16:17spend the money now. Don't worry about
1:16:19being out out of budget. So I asked the
1:16:22councilors to approve to do two things.
1:16:24Buy a mobile noise activated camera now
1:16:27for the benefit of the whole city of
1:16:29city of Perth and don't let bureaucracy
1:16:32or out of budget spends get in the way.
1:16:34And two, have the council officers meet
1:16:36the police to have them act on the issue
1:16:39as soon as possible. Thank you for your
1:16:41time and consideration.
1:16:43>> Thank you for your deputation, Mr.
1:16:44Carter. Councilors, any questions for
1:16:47Mr. Carter this evening.
1:16:50Councelor Hing.
1:16:51>> Thank you. And Mr. Carter, are you aware
1:16:53of uh the fact that there was a offer or
1:16:56rather a promise for $22.5 million to be
1:17:00paid towards noise activation cameras
1:17:03during the last election?
1:17:05>> Uh no, I wasn't.
1:17:06>> Right. Uh are you similar if I may
1:17:10through you Mr. mayor and just move to
1:17:12the are you aware of questions that were
1:17:14asked in the legislative council uh in
1:17:17relation to the progress that was then
1:17:19being made by government to acquire and
1:17:21purchase those cameras uh in which it
1:17:24was said that the department of local
1:17:25government and industry uh are currently
1:17:28drafting and reviewing procurement
1:17:31process for the 2025 commitment that had
1:17:34been made for those CCTV cameras.
1:17:38Uh, no. No.
1:17:39>> And that finally uh through you, Mr.
1:17:41Mayor, that the acoustic cameras are
1:17:43currently subject to a request uh for
1:17:46information uh before they go to market
1:17:49uh and before a procurement process is
1:17:51launched through the WA police for those
1:17:54cameras.
1:17:56>> No. Are they fixed cameras?
1:17:59>> Yes. Um if if you
1:18:00>> folks, I'm going to intervene here. Uh,
1:18:02councelor Howling, it does seem like
1:18:04you're cross-examining deputies to try
1:18:07and make a political point, so please
1:18:09refrain from doing that. And uh, I'm
1:18:12afraid I can't allow deputations to be a
1:18:14back and forth between counselors. We
1:18:15just won't get through all or the
1:18:17deputations. Councilors, does anyone
1:18:20else? Councelor Raison,
1:18:22>> thank you for your deputation, Mr.
1:18:23Carter. Adam, I agree with you. It's a
1:18:26broader issue. It's actually a whole of
1:18:28metro area issue in many ways. have got
1:18:30issues coming in Dale Keith in a number
1:18:31of areas. The same thing, different
1:18:33vehicles, motorcycles in some cases.
1:18:37There is a police hotline, but from what
1:18:39I hear, there's absolutely no response.
1:18:42Do you ever get a response from the
1:18:44police?
1:18:45>> No. No. I mean, I've occasionally seen a
1:18:48police car drive up and down, but no.
1:18:51No. In my view, if you're going to have
1:18:52the police, you need it needs to be
1:18:54covert
1:18:56because, you know, they're they're
1:18:57connected. They'll very quickly say
1:18:59there's something here there don't go
1:19:00and and they won't. So,
1:19:02>> thank you. And then that was my second
1:19:03question. Do you think patrols, police
1:19:05patrols make any difference or you
1:19:07probably answered the question about
1:19:09covert is the better?
1:19:10>> Depend.
1:19:10>> Depends how often they come. If they're
1:19:12up and down every 10 minutes maybe.
1:19:14>> Thank you.
1:19:16>> Any further questions for Mr. Carter,
1:19:17folks?
1:19:19>> No. Okay. Thank you very much, Mr.
1:19:21Carter.
1:19:25>> All right. I'd now like to invite Miss
1:19:27Chanel Marriott. I hope I've pronounced
1:19:29your surname correctly there. Uh she's
1:19:32speaking for the notice of motion
1:19:34recommendation at item 12.8. Welcome to
1:19:37you, Miss Marriott. Uh we look forward
1:19:39to your deputation.
1:19:40>> Thank you. Um firstly, thank you for
1:19:43allowing me to speak today uh on my
1:19:46experiences and accounts of the
1:19:47atrocities that have been happening
1:19:48daily on the South Perth esplanard. I
1:19:51will start with the antisocial behavior
1:19:53I have witnessed firsthand, including
1:19:54the use of nitrous oxide and public
1:19:57urination in broad daylight. Young men
1:19:59and women have been parked on the island
1:20:01by the Narrows Bridge, blasting loud
1:20:03music and filling balloons to inhale
1:20:04their nangs. While they are parked, I
1:20:07have witnessed young men exiting the car
1:20:09to relieve themselves as families walk
1:20:10past on the foreshore. I have seen
1:20:12fights between parked cars over what I
1:20:16can only assume is drugs. One car will
1:20:18pull up and then leave after they have
1:20:21fought.
1:20:22Um,
1:20:24I have witnessed the yelling and
1:20:26profanities being heard at passers by.
1:20:28You would think once they leave it would
1:20:30be a relief, but it doesn't end there.
1:20:33Condoms used for sexual or lewd acts.
1:20:36I've seen feces on toilet paper or as a
1:20:39balloon substitute. Balloons, empty
1:20:42liter spirit bottles, and large
1:20:44canisters of nitrous oxide littered on
1:20:45the island where these disrespectful
1:20:47people have parked. These people are
1:20:49driving when they shouldn't be. They
1:20:53speed around the corner and down
1:20:54Milpoint Road, often with their cars
1:20:56backfiring and speeding between the
1:20:58humps. It is very concerning that in
1:21:00such a beautiful and commandeered
1:21:02location, these individuals are putting
1:21:04others at risk. We have involved the
1:21:06police on police on numerous occasions
1:21:09and when they do come they have said
1:21:12they cannot do anything as nitrous oxide
1:21:14doesn't show up when tested.
1:21:18Further to that point
1:21:20I have seen the police speaking with
1:21:22people who are holding a balloon and a
1:21:24canister under their arm as they are
1:21:26speaking with the police. They still
1:21:29cannot do anything according to them.
1:21:33It is because of this I felt compelled
1:21:35to speak today and I believe there needs
1:21:36to be urgent action taken. I do agree
1:21:39with the previous points made um and I
1:21:42do think cameras the ones that were
1:21:45temporarily there it was a deterrent at
1:21:48the time so it is something to be looked
1:21:49into. Thank you.
1:21:52>> Thank you very much for your deputation.
1:21:54Counselors any questions for Miss
1:21:56Marriott this evening?
1:21:59>> No. Thank you very much for your
1:22:00deputation.
1:22:02I'd now like to invite Mr. Nick Tana of
1:22:04South Perth who is speaking for the
1:22:07notice of recommendation at item 12.8
1:22:12>> I was hoping uh
1:22:14>> it is what we're talking about please
1:22:16will you indulge in Mr. Man,
1:22:18>> no, no, please do. I have a feeling I
1:22:19know what it is.
1:22:20>> Just so everybody is aware of what we're
1:22:22about
1:22:23>> and then I'll start my deputation.
1:22:24Sorry. I'm going to let it go cuz this
1:22:26has got gas. This has got gas in it and
1:22:29this was left on.
1:22:31>> I'm going to look real silly if this
1:22:32explodes, Mr. Tana.
1:22:34>> This won't explode.
1:22:36It is only happy gas.
1:22:38>> All right. And understand that you've
1:22:39got some uh some short videos to play
1:22:41during your deputation.
1:22:42>> Yes, please. Not now. All right.
1:22:44>> Governance, are we ready to go at the
1:22:45appropriate time?
1:22:47Outstanding. Please proceed.
1:22:49>> Thank you for the opportunity to speak
1:22:51in favor of the motion. As everybody
1:22:53knows, my name is Nick Tarnner. My wife
1:22:55and I moved into our new home on the
1:22:58northern end of the South Perth Espanard
1:23:00almost 10 years ago from the northern
1:23:02suburbs. Thinking that this would be our
1:23:05last move. We would enjoy the latter
1:23:07years in what we thought was the best
1:23:09suburb of Perth. We thought we would
1:23:11have peace and quiet rather than the
1:23:13hell that we have had to endure to the
1:23:17extent that we have seriously considered
1:23:18moving back to the northern suburbs. In
1:23:21fact, I had mentioned this to a senior
1:23:23counselor present tonight over a year
1:23:25ago. The following video summarizes our
1:23:29frustration bordering on anger. Moving
1:23:32cars directly below our bedroom are of
1:23:34no concern. However, engine revving and
1:23:37loud music in the middle of the night
1:23:39are deafening. Please enjoy the music,
1:23:42folks.
1:23:483:00 in the morning.
1:23:57>> It goes on indefinitely, but I won't
1:23:59bore you. Please play the second one.
1:24:14early in the evening.
1:24:17>> I think we get the message. Thank you.
1:24:22>> Thank you.
1:24:24>> Whilst most of Perth rate payers are
1:24:26peacefully sleeping, we're subjected to
1:24:28hooning and antisocial behavior every
1:24:30weekend. and now weekdays as well. I
1:24:34could show you videos indefinitely and I
1:24:36have them with numerous other incidents
1:24:39of antisocial behavior on the South
1:24:41Perth esplanard and the median strip
1:24:43directly below us. However, my intention
1:24:46is not to bore you tonight, but impress
1:24:48upon you the urgency of stamping out
1:24:50hooning and antisocial behavior in South
1:24:53Perth in the form of speeding, urinating
1:24:56in public, burnouts, vaping nitrous
1:24:59oxide, that cylinder there, engine
1:25:01revving, and playing loud music in the
1:25:03early hours of the morning. One or more
1:25:05of these antisocial activities are
1:25:08occurring almost every night after 10
1:25:10p.m. Over the past two years, the
1:25:13frequency and volume of antisocial
1:25:15behavior has significantly increased,
1:25:18culminating to a point where, as Mr.
1:25:20Dempsey says, enough is enough. I've
1:25:23called the police hotline, a number
1:25:25where we were given by council to lodge
1:25:28our complaint, only to be told on
1:25:30numerous occasions by the dispatcher
1:25:32that their resources are stretched. And
1:25:34that's fair enough as they will they'll
1:25:37try and send a patrol car, but never
1:25:39came. Unless it's a life-threatening
1:25:42incident, there's no way they're going
1:25:44to react because they got other things
1:25:45to do. The police have told me that it
1:25:48is not illegal to vape nitrous oxide.
1:25:52Oh, allow me the indulgence of reading
1:25:54to you what is on this canister if I can
1:25:58find it.
1:26:00Come on. There it is. Here. Okay.
1:26:02Directions for use. C label. Safety
1:26:05directions. Do not intentionally inhale
1:26:07contents. Warning may cause irreversible
1:26:10nerve damage if inhaled. That's got
1:26:13nitrous oxide in it. Left behind. I
1:26:16could have collected probably a hundred
1:26:18in the last two months, three months. I
1:26:21don't know what happens to them. Some
1:26:22good Samaritan is picking them up every
1:26:23morning. If we can't prosecute, we must
1:26:26deter, if not eliminate their ability to
1:26:28carry on their antisocial behavior.
1:26:31Council has the authority to implement
1:26:33policies and procedures to discourage,
1:26:35if not eliminate hooning. The motion
1:26:38before council will go a long way to
1:26:40discourage
1:26:42or eliminate hooning on the peninsula. I
1:26:44urge all councilors to consider all the
1:26:47residents on the foreshore and other
1:26:49suburbs and support the motion if not in
1:26:52its entirety then a modified version
1:26:54covering items that our count that are
1:26:57in the council's absolute power to
1:26:59implement. I ask the new CEO to look
1:27:03back on the records. This issue has been
1:27:05in front of council over four years now
1:27:08and nothing is I'll rephrase that some
1:27:10things have happened but hey it's
1:27:12getting worse. So if council decide to
1:27:15act at glacial speed, you will be
1:27:17fostering a society of misfits
1:27:20notwithstanding what it's doing to the
1:27:22residents. We are entitled to quiet
1:27:24enjoyment of our residents, our streets
1:27:26and our suburbs. Thank you ladies and
1:27:28gentlemen.
1:27:30>> Thank you Mr. Tana. Councilors, do we
1:27:33once again folks please uh any questions
1:27:36for Mr. Tana this evening? Councelor
1:27:39Raison.
1:27:41>> Thank you for your deputation, Mr. Tana
1:27:44uh as the person I'm aware who has sort
1:27:46of coordinated the effort uh thank you
1:27:48very much for doing that. I know that
1:27:51you have many other things to do and
1:27:54just because you are sort of
1:27:55representative of this uh particular
1:27:58area. I would also like to just thank
1:28:00everybody who's come tonight. Not it was
1:28:02only even though I live uh in the
1:28:04Millpoint ward and have done so for more
1:28:06than 20 years. Where I live is more the
1:28:09Angelo Street precinct and until I
1:28:11actually and some of you will already
1:28:13know this until I actually door knocked
1:28:14in your area during the election. I
1:28:16really had no idea about the level of
1:28:19distress and I have had a number of
1:28:20people call me uh very emotional, very
1:28:23upset, particularly in some of the
1:28:25higher buildings where this noise is
1:28:27carrying up and while it's no comfort,
1:28:30I'm sure to hear me say this. I do uh
1:28:33want you to know that I think that the
1:28:36level of distress that you're
1:28:38experiencing is completely unacceptable.
1:28:40Councelor, I hate to be the bad guy
1:28:43here, but uh questions do have to be
1:28:45short and succinct. Um appreciate why
1:28:47you're saying what you're saying, but it
1:28:48is time for questions.
1:28:51>> No question.
1:28:52>> I was going to say that to date around
1:28:54at least $300,000 has been spent by the
1:28:57city on different traffic calming
1:28:58measures in the area. But the question
1:29:01for us all is why is the problem getting
1:29:03worse? It doesn't matter in many ways,
1:29:05but I think we have to factor that into
1:29:07the
1:29:07>> the simple answer is inactivity is an
1:29:10absolute blessing for these hoons. They
1:29:12enjoy it. They revel in it. That's the
1:29:14whole exercise to show off what they've
1:29:16got. And if you guys do nothing or the
1:29:18police do nothing, you guys have the
1:29:20power to do it within the council regs.
1:29:23You should be able to increase the
1:29:24patrols, increase the lighting. A lot of
1:29:26good suggestions came out of tonight and
1:29:28there will be more and that's what I was
1:29:30hopeful for. I'm not giving you the
1:29:32solution. take on board everything
1:29:34that's being said tonight, but I only
1:29:36ask one thing. Act. Get it done.
1:29:40End of story.
1:29:42>> Please. Thank you.
1:29:43>> Thank you, Mr. Tana.
1:29:45>> Uh, one of us. Sorry, Mr. Mayor. Um,
1:29:47I've been told that these cannot be um
1:29:50delivered to your refuge department
1:29:52because it costs them money. What do I
1:29:54do with it?
1:29:55>> Good question.
1:29:55>> Please tell me. I'm going to leave it
1:29:57there. Museum Primo. Uh,
1:30:01>> do you want a genuine answer?
1:30:03>> What do you want me to do? Yeah,
1:30:05>> we'll take that one on notice.
1:30:06>> You want to take it? Because I don't
1:30:08know what to do with it. Seriously, I I
1:30:10>> I'll take care of it after the end of
1:30:11this meeting.
1:30:11>> Thank you.
1:30:13>> I ask one question,
1:30:14>> Councelor Hingley.
1:30:15>> Thank you. Um, thank you, Mr. Tana. Uh,
1:30:18I asked Mr. Dempsey, uh, you had a
1:30:20meeting on the November last year or
1:30:22December last year, reported to the
1:30:24council in no December. Um do you recall
1:30:28that meeting firstly and secondly um
1:30:30what other consultation are you aware of
1:30:32that you participated or were aware of
1:30:35together with the council and what do
1:30:38you say that concretely within the
1:30:41purview of the local government it's
1:30:43able to do I mean bearing in mind the
1:30:46cameras are being purchased that's
1:30:47underway that's going to happen but now
1:30:50focusing on what we can do to act and
1:30:53what have you discussed in the past and
1:30:54what action
1:30:55>> give us a hotline line. Give us a
1:30:57hotline with a responsive person that
1:30:59will act for us. We'll call that hotline
1:31:02and we'll keep that person busy. Male or
1:31:04female, whatever it is, we'll keep them
1:31:06busy. Believe me, they'll be occupied
1:31:08and all they have to do put up no
1:31:10parking signs after a certain hours.
1:31:13That will deter them. They've got to
1:31:14have the the ability to to act with
1:31:17authority. They can't otherwise we might
1:31:19as well just organize our own security
1:31:21people. But they've got no authority.
1:31:23You got to give them authority to do
1:31:26something. Move on notices immediate or
1:31:29infringement notices like I got at
1:31:31Claremont showgrounds for going to the
1:31:33Royal Show on the Verge. Just do it.
1:31:38>> Thank you, Mr. Tana. Any further
1:31:40questions? Councelor Brenda. Oh, hold
1:31:42up, Mr. Tana. Councelor Brenda Abbrandis
1:31:43has a question for you.
1:31:45>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you
1:31:47for your deputation, Mr. Tanner. Um,
1:31:49with regard to the proposed MOPLEX in
1:31:53the Berswood Park or Perth Park, do you
1:31:56consider the patrons that would attend
1:31:58that event may exacerbate the current
1:32:00problem that you've got?
1:32:03>> Look, I think any um activity will
1:32:08increase the possibility of hooning and
1:32:12fast cars and noise and what have you.
1:32:14And if you think about it, um the men
1:32:17street fairies and the increased ferry
1:32:19services that's going to happen, it's a
1:32:21perfect place to park and then go over
1:32:22there and watch and then rev off. Um I'm
1:32:25not a petrol head myself, but I know
1:32:27that rev heads and petrol heads, they do
1:32:29that. That's what they do. So yes, you
1:32:31short answer is yes.
1:32:34>> Thank you, Mr. Tanner.
1:32:35>> Councelor Hing.
1:32:36>> Thank you. Just one last question. Um
1:32:40the gift that you're leaving tonight,
1:32:42who are you actually giving that to so
1:32:43they can enter it into the gift
1:32:44register?
1:32:45>> Not my
1:32:47councilors, can please, we've we've
1:32:50really got limited time here and we want
1:32:52to hear everyone. Appreciate a bit of
1:32:54lightness, but uh let's let's try and
1:32:57use our time efficiency, please.
1:32:58>> May I leave?
1:32:59>> I I think so. Yes. Best to go now.
1:33:05>> All right. Uh I'd now like to invite Ms.
1:33:07Deafany Han of South Perth who is
1:33:09speaking for the notice of motion
1:33:11recommendation at item 12.8. Welcome to
1:33:14you Miss Han. The microphone is yours
1:33:16and we look forward to your deputation.
1:33:22>> Hello everyone. Thank you very much for
1:33:23the opportunity to speak tonight. Look,
1:33:26I'm I'm a relatively new resident to the
1:33:28area even though I have been a rape pair
1:33:30for over 20 years in South Perth. I
1:33:31recently moved just down from Mr. Tana.
1:33:36Um, I want to share my concerns about
1:33:38the antisocial behavior occurring on the
1:33:40foreshore across from my home.
1:33:43I've witnessed a level of disturbance
1:33:45that's left me shocked and deeply
1:33:47unsettled.
1:33:48In this short time, I've seen hooning,
1:33:51loud music late at night, groups
1:33:53gathering to inhale nitrous oxide,
1:33:56commonly known as nangas. I've since
1:33:58learned
1:33:59a behavior that feels threatening and
1:34:01unpredictable. On more than one
1:34:03occasion, I have been verbally abused.
1:34:05simply for being outside my home during
1:34:08the early hours of the morning. I came
1:34:10in from a late flight and had my bins
1:34:12out and there was a high harlux there.
1:34:15Um that's been very there's a regular
1:34:17visitor to to that medium strip and they
1:34:21abused me. I didn't look in their
1:34:23direction, didn't say words, pulled my
1:34:24bins out and went inside.
1:34:27I um rung my sister to come and stay the
1:34:30night with me cuz I am I look I am a
1:34:31widow. I stay on my own and it has it is
1:34:35actually it has actually traumatized me
1:34:38significantly you know um
1:34:42they have a sign impact it has a
1:34:44significant impact on my on the sense of
1:34:46safety in my home I chose this area
1:34:49because the reputation as a peaceful and
1:34:51beautiful place to live but right now I
1:34:52often feel anxious and vulnerable in my
1:34:54own neighborhood. This behavior isn't
1:34:57harmless. It's it's disruptive. It's
1:35:00intimidating and in some cases
1:35:02dangerous. It affects not only long-term
1:35:05residents, residents of people, but it
1:35:08also newcomers like myself who are
1:35:10trying to build a life here. I'm asking
1:35:12council to please take this issue
1:35:13seriously and consider measures that
1:35:15will help restore safety to the
1:35:17foreshore. Whether that involve
1:35:19increased patrols, better lighting,
1:35:22clear regulations, or targeted community
1:35:24intervention, something needs to change.
1:35:28I'm not asking for special attention.
1:35:30Just the ability to feel safe.
1:35:34I recently had somebody come in through
1:35:36my gate to my home. Um I have run
1:35:38Kensington Police Station a couple of
1:35:40times. They don't answer.
1:35:43Okay. This fellow was arrested. Now
1:35:45there's some random bloke with that
1:35:48knows who I am. I don't know who he is.
1:35:50There was a restraining order against me
1:35:53and my home. So no because because he he
1:35:56he came into my home. So they the police
1:35:59have put a restraining order. He's not
1:36:00allowed to approach my home. He's not
1:36:01allowed to approach me. I don't know who
1:36:04he is. All I have is a picture of this
1:36:05man, you know. So this is I mean this
1:36:09has been 30 years of hard work to get to
1:36:11the point to be able to live in South
1:36:14Perth and and enjoy my retirement. I am
1:36:17seriously questioning whether I should
1:36:20even live in South P or not. Thank you
1:36:23for listening and I hope that you will
1:36:24support the efforts to make this area
1:36:25secure and welcoming for everybody.
1:36:28Thank you.
1:36:30>> Thank you, Miss Han. Um, and thank you
1:36:32for sharing that with us. Uh, councelor,
1:36:34are there any questions for Miss Han
1:36:35this evening?
1:36:38>> No. Thank you very much for your
1:36:39deputation.
1:36:42Uh,
1:36:42>> Mr. Mayor, could we just have the
1:36:43pressurized vessel taken out of the
1:36:45chamber?
1:36:47>> I'm sure that can be arranged.
1:36:48Governance, can we uh put that somewhere
1:36:50suitable?
1:36:53All right. Uh, I'd now like to invite
1:36:56Ms. Rachel Matthews of South Perth who
1:36:58is speaking for the notice of motion
1:37:01recommendation at item 12.8. Welcome to
1:37:04you, Miss Matthews. The microphone is
1:37:05yours and we look forward to your
1:37:07deputation.
1:37:07>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Now, thank you
1:37:09everyone. Um just in regarding to the
1:37:12canister there, I have spoken to um some
1:37:14of your garden people, garden people
1:37:16around the area and they said that there
1:37:18is a 40gallon tub somewhere that they're
1:37:20constantly filling it up. So if anyone
1:37:22finds them, you can just leave them by
1:37:23the bins. Um you'll probably find number
1:37:26of them in the morning. This is a
1:37:28basically a recollection of what happens
1:37:31to me on a daily basis and probably many
1:37:34people have been talking about the
1:37:35honing.
1:37:36I live at 93 South Perth Esanard. along
1:37:39with Mel Dempsey and Peter Carter. I
1:37:42can't remember the last time I went to
1:37:43bed without the noise of modified
1:37:44engines of cars traveling at excessive
1:37:46speeds along the South Panard.
1:37:48This happens every night of the week.
1:37:51Each night this behavior commences, the
1:37:53same routine occurs. I call the WA
1:37:56police to report the excessive noise and
1:37:58high speeds that they are traveling at.
1:38:00The police call center representative
1:38:02will then ask a series of questions. How
1:38:04many cars have you seen? Do you have any
1:38:06descriptions of the cars involved? Do
1:38:08you have any registration numbers? And
1:38:10of course, have you managed to take any
1:38:11footage of those involved?
1:38:13Now, there was a time where myself and
1:38:15many other residents would go down to
1:38:16street level, stand at the side of the
1:38:18road, and take footage of these idiots
1:38:20only to be receiving end of verbal
1:38:22abuse, threatening actions such as
1:38:24driving into our own private driveway,
1:38:26revving their engines. Now, we don't
1:38:28bother because we don't know the dangers
1:38:30or outcomes that could be. For example,
1:38:32as mentioned earlier, the 81-year-old
1:38:35man who was attacked with an ax while
1:38:36asking a driver to slow down only just a
1:38:38couple of days ago. So, by us not
1:38:41providing this information at the time
1:38:42of our call to the 13124 number
1:38:45reporting the activity, they said that
1:38:47because they don't have descriptions nor
1:38:49any registration identification, they do
1:38:51not treat the job as urgent and will
1:38:53send the information through to the
1:38:54local police station so that can be
1:38:56looked into. We have asked for regular
1:38:59patrols of the WA police. They say they
1:39:01try and achieve this, but they are too
1:39:02busy, and I quote, dealing with urgent
1:39:05cages such as domestic violence and
1:39:07stabbings.
1:39:10So, my husband Kevin and I decided to
1:39:12seek the help of a private investigator
1:39:14at our own costs.
1:39:16Over the course of a week, our PI filmed
1:39:18numerous cars and witnessed extreme case
1:39:20of dangerous driving, speeding, and cars
1:39:23with excessive noise. By the end of the
1:39:25week, the drivers were aware of his
1:39:26presence and started getting cocky with
1:39:28him. We had this footage on hand and can
1:39:30provide it to the city of South Perth
1:39:32Council and to the WA police who will
1:39:34hopefully take appropriate action.
1:39:37Now on the 22nd of November, I had a
1:39:39conversation with one young driver who
1:39:41was frequently who frequently causes
1:39:43disturbance in our area. I informed him
1:39:45that cameras were recording and erratic
1:39:47driving. He replied that uh police
1:39:50cameras will never catch them because
1:39:52they use the ways app which alerts them
1:39:54alerts to alerts them to police
1:39:56locations. He then drove off laughing,
1:39:59loudly revving his engine and speeding
1:40:01away in a purple Lamborghini.
1:40:03Shortly afterwards, a police patty wagon
1:40:06drove past. I turned around and followed
1:40:08it. The officers eventually pulled up
1:40:10into the center gardens car park, the
1:40:13east end of the South Panard. When I
1:40:16arrived there, there were at least 10
1:40:17vehicles present. Cars and drivers well
1:40:20known to the local residents for their
1:40:21ongoing behavior, including driving at
1:40:23high speeds, excess excessive engine
1:40:25revving, burnouts along the esplanard,
1:40:28and occasional donuts in the car park,
1:40:30and not the ones that you eat. I parked
1:40:33my car and approached the police
1:40:34vehicle. I explained that this behavior
1:40:37occurs nightly and what action was to be
1:40:39taken to address it. The officers
1:40:41remained in seated in their vehicle and
1:40:43did not provide a response. I then
1:40:46returned to my car, drove around and
1:40:48parked in front of the police vehicle.
1:40:50Bravely, I lowered my window and
1:40:53attempted to engage the young drivers,
1:40:55hoping the police would support the
1:40:57interaction. I asked them, "At what
1:41:01point do you think it is acceptable to
1:41:03drive at excessive speeds and rev your
1:41:05loud engines the way you do?" Instead of
1:41:09addressing the behavior of the drivers,
1:41:11the police officer approached my car,
1:41:14raised their voices at me, instructed me
1:41:17to let them do their job, and I was told
1:41:20if I did not move on immediately, I
1:41:22would be issued with a move on notice.
1:41:27As I drove away humiliated, the group of
1:41:30young drivers clapped and cheered,
1:41:32clearly encouraged by the fact that the
1:41:34police had ordered me to leave while
1:41:37taking no apparent action to their
1:41:38behavior. This response from law
1:41:40enforcement was deeply concerning, and
1:41:42it appears that those responsible for
1:41:44the disturbances feel empowered to do
1:41:48continued unchecked. There is something
1:41:51seriously wrong with this situation.
1:41:55Now, there's one thing that I would like
1:41:56to do is cast our mind back to this time
1:41:58last year at the end of the South Perth
1:41:59espanard near the entrance of the
1:42:01parking lot to the sentence garden.
1:42:03There was a camera set up to take
1:42:04footage of cars going in and out of the
1:42:05car park. I decided to come to the South
1:42:08Perth Council offices and asked what was
1:42:11being done with the footage they had
1:42:12been gathering. I was told by one of
1:42:14your service officers that no
1:42:16information was able to be given to me
1:42:18and that I would have to go and see the
1:42:20Kensington Police Station for any
1:42:22investigations.
1:42:23So that is what I did. And when I had a
1:42:26conversation with one of the officers, I
1:42:28won't name who, he said that he had no
1:42:30information regarding that camera and
1:42:32had no idea what I was talking about. So
1:42:35I asked, "What ever happened to this
1:42:37camera footage? Was there anything ever
1:42:39done about it?"
1:42:40In conclusion, I believe there's enough
1:42:42photos and video footage from residents
1:42:44submitted to the WA police and assuming
1:42:46City of South Perth still have record of
1:42:48footage from cameras that were installed
1:42:50this time last year near the Center
1:42:52Gardens car park. Something must be done
1:42:54about this and it needs to happen ASAP.
1:42:57When we call police 1314 number, they
1:43:01tell us it's a local council problem.
1:43:02And then when we speak to our
1:43:03representatives from City of South
1:43:05Perth, they say they have to we have to
1:43:06speak to police. Enough is enough.
1:43:09Surely it's time for the city of South
1:43:10Perth to collectively work with the West
1:43:12Australian police to stop this before we
1:43:15have a fatality.
1:43:17We are coming up to summer and the
1:43:18holiday season. The foot traffic and
1:43:21people visiting our beautiful foreshore
1:43:23is going to increase. This is a recipe
1:43:25for disaster and we as residents of
1:43:27South Berth in all areas that antisocial
1:43:30and dangerous activity is taking place
1:43:32has had enough and are calling for
1:43:34action. And then we have the added
1:43:36problem of the use of nitrous oxide and
1:43:39I believe others while they're taking
1:43:41and driving recklessly. Thank you.
1:43:44>> Thank you, Miss Matthews, for your
1:43:45deputation. Counselors, any questions
1:43:47for Miss Matthews this evening?
1:43:51No. Thank you very much for the
1:43:52deputation.
1:43:55That's all the deputations on item 12.8,
1:43:58folks. if if anyone uh was sort of
1:44:00waiting for the the last of those. Uh
1:44:02we'll now move on to the deputations for
1:44:05item 12.11.
1:44:08Uh so I'd like to begin by inviting Miss
1:44:10Jane Aden of Victoria Park who is
1:44:14speaking for the notice of motion
1:44:16recommendation at item 12.11. Welcome to
1:44:19you Miss Arden. I hope I've pronounced
1:44:21your surname correctly.
1:44:22>> Arden as in Jinta.
1:44:25>> All right, Arden. Thank you. The
1:44:26microphone is yours and we look forward
1:44:28to your deputation.
1:44:29>> Okay. Thank you.
1:44:35>> Save Berswood Alliance committee and
1:44:37members welcome the motion on notice to
1:44:40oppose all iterations of Berswood Park
1:44:43that include a V8 Supercars and
1:44:46Motorsports Racrack.
1:44:48We assume that the very fact of the
1:44:51notion of mo notice of motion means that
1:44:54you're already familiar with the many
1:44:56concerning issues embedded in this
1:44:58project including the lack of
1:45:01transparency or objective oversight the
1:45:05lack of planning the cancellation of
1:45:08>> sorry Miss Ardun I'm just going to
1:45:09interrupt uh folks uh as you're leaving
1:45:12the chamber we we're trying to listen to
1:45:14Miss Ardun's deputation so uh if you can
1:45:16keep it down that would Much
1:45:18appreciated. My apologies, Miss Arin.
1:45:21Please, please continue.
1:45:22>> That's all right. I'll just go back a
1:45:23bit.
1:45:25We assume the very fact of the no not
1:45:28notice of motion means you're already
1:45:30familiar with the many concerning issues
1:45:33embedded in this project including the
1:45:36lack of transparency or objective
1:45:38oversight the lack of planning the
1:45:41cancellation of the state Labor
1:45:43government endorsed 2023 Berswood Park
1:45:46plan the absence of any meaningful
1:45:49convertation
1:45:51or communication the environmental
1:45:54impact impacts on Riverside communities,
1:45:56flora and fauna, the broader economic
1:46:00impacts now and in the future, and the
1:46:02wellestablished social infrastructure
1:46:05and cost of living pressures and
1:46:07priorities across our WA community.
1:46:10We appreciate and accept that it's
1:46:13unusual for councils to weigh in on
1:46:16issues that are not within your your
1:46:18boundaries or your jurisdiction.
1:46:21However, we suggest that in accordance
1:46:23with your 2025 advocacy strategy,
1:46:28joining with the city of Victoria Park
1:46:30and Perth City Council in opposing the
1:46:33destruction of Berswood Park places you
1:46:36in good company, creating lasting
1:46:39alliances and strategic relationships
1:46:41with your neighbors and strongly
1:46:44representing your community.
1:46:46We'd like to focus upon a few of the
1:46:48issues we see as most impactful for the
1:46:51city of Perth commun South Perth
1:46:53community.
1:46:55We take the stewardship responsibility
1:46:57for our Swan River foreshore and
1:46:59conservation category wetlands very
1:47:02seriously for ourselves and all future
1:47:05generations.
1:47:06This project creates a strong precedent
1:47:09that reverses the significant efforts
1:47:12and duties, the rights of local
1:47:14councils, indigenous and community
1:47:16groups who have care of the parklands
1:47:19adjacent to the Swan River, and who have
1:47:22championed open green space, increased
1:47:25tree canopy, and native vegetation.
1:47:28The state claims that this project's
1:47:30okay because it'll be built on a
1:47:32reclaimed rubbish tip. The water and
1:47:35surrounds are contaminated and the space
1:47:37is not fully utilized.
1:47:40This rhetoric and spin ignores 30 years
1:47:43of rehabilitation and reuse, taking us
1:47:47back to the 1940s when it was deemed
1:47:50okay to put a rubbish tip there in the
1:47:52first place because it was only
1:47:54meaningful to the local Wajuk people
1:47:56that were born there or lived on and
1:47:58visited the area.
1:48:01Now we know that Berswood Park is part
1:48:04of an important Riverside wetland
1:48:06ecosystem that extends to South Perth
1:48:09and beyond and it needs sensible and
1:48:12appropriate development for the ongoing
1:48:14health of the river and the 71 plus
1:48:17recorded species of fauna in just that
1:48:20space.
1:48:21Despite almost a thousand detailed
1:48:24submissions, no public environmental
1:48:26assessment will be conducted by the
1:48:29Environmental Protection Authority.
1:48:32Qualified and knowledgeable individuals
1:48:34and environmental groups tell us that
1:48:36additional strain will be placed on
1:48:38animal populations, including in South
1:48:41Perth, and the water quality of the
1:48:44river will suffer. But our regulatory
1:48:47organi organization
1:48:49believes the spin when the state says
1:48:52they will remove and rehome all existing
1:48:54fauna and manage all other aspects of
1:48:58the project as it gets built.
1:49:01The park is a wellused inner city
1:49:03sanctuary which provides much needed
1:49:05amenity for locals and tourists. 360,000
1:49:10tourist visits to the park were formally
1:49:12recorded in the 202425
1:49:15financial year and significant numbers
1:49:18of local people from South Perth, Vic
1:49:21Park, Berswood and East Perth depend on
1:49:24it daily for their physical and mental
1:49:27health given they live in small lots or
1:49:30apartments with little private green
1:49:32space. We also note that the Wajuk
1:49:36people still regularly visit the area to
1:49:39honor their ancestors who were born and
1:49:41live there and to celebrate their
1:49:43culture.
1:49:45The state government is misusing its
1:49:47power to council the local Berswood Park
1:49:5120-year vision that was has informed a
1:49:54wide range of planning strategies at the
1:49:56local level.
1:50:00We have a housing crisis across WA. Yet
1:50:03all housing developments on the
1:50:05peninsula have already halted as a
1:50:09result of the proposed motorsports
1:50:10racetrack and buyers have been given
1:50:13their money back. This puts more
1:50:16pressure on housing stock in South Perth
1:50:18and other local areas and undermines the
1:50:22Victoria Park strategic planning
1:50:24framework which envisage 40,000 people
1:50:27housed in that area.
1:50:30Wetlands have already been filled beside
1:50:33Belmont Park horse racing track and 4
1:50:36and a half thousand residents are
1:50:38currently being built. Where are these
1:50:40people going to go and recreate? The
1:50:43state says that the ashfelt and concrete
1:50:46covered Berswood Park will be open to
1:50:49the public at least 90% of the time and
1:50:51the racetrack will only have one 3-day
1:50:55supercars championship per year. But the
1:50:58stated intention to the EPA and in the
1:51:01government's initial press release is is
1:51:04for continuous motor racing events.
1:51:08Regular crows closed criterion cycling
1:51:11cup races will also be held on the
1:51:14track. All these events require fencing
1:51:18sorry
1:51:21significant additional infrastructure
1:51:24and setup and pull down time before clos
1:51:27therefore closing most of the area to
1:51:30the public over the course of a year.
1:51:33Lack of appropriate recreational green
1:51:35space in such a high density population
1:51:37area will place additional pressure and
1:51:40loss of amenity in parklands in South
1:51:43Perth, East Perth and Vic Park. This
1:51:46unhealth unhealthy precedent of the
1:51:49state riding roughshod over local
1:51:51government and established planning
1:51:53frameworks is already being repeated
1:51:56across numerous local government
1:51:57jurisdictions in WA. This was raised by
1:52:01the alliance in our written submission
1:52:04and recent appearance before the upper
1:52:06house select committee on planning. We
1:52:09also note that the proposed state
1:52:11development act will give the state
1:52:13further powers to ignore the community
1:52:16if it passes.
1:52:18There's no doubt that the South Perth
1:52:19community will be impacted by additional
1:52:22traffic congestion to and from Berswood
1:52:24with the increase in events. However,
1:52:27the noise for more forms of motor motor
1:52:30racing will impact more obviously on
1:52:32residents and local businesses. The
1:52:35acoustic study provided to the EPA by
1:52:38government relied on the noise readings
1:52:40provided by Supercars Australia for the
1:52:44cursory analysis.
1:52:46It didn't look at independent research
1:52:48on noise levels or the impact of noise
1:52:51bouncing off the surrounding structures
1:52:53in Berswood Park. nor did it include
1:52:56analysis of impact anywhere across or
1:52:58down the Swan River. The noise generated
1:53:02at supercar and similar events well
1:53:04exceeds works safe guidelines and is
1:53:07proven to be damaging to human health
1:53:09and hearing and to wildlife.
1:53:12Outdoor premises within 6 to 10
1:53:14kilometers will also suffer as these sit
1:53:16within the audible range recognized as a
1:53:19region of annoyance depending on wind
1:53:22direction. That's clearly many
1:53:24businesses and residents in South Perth
1:53:26that will be affected. We hear from the
1:53:29state that they will conduct further
1:53:31noise testing at initial races to
1:53:34determine the noise impact on the
1:53:36community. This would be highly unlikely
1:53:39to include South Perth and is way too
1:53:41late. But the EP
1:53:43>> 60 seconds remaining.
1:53:44>> Thank you. Could I have a little bit
1:53:46longer given the noise?
1:53:47>> No, I I have to be fair to everyone. I'm
1:53:49sorry.
1:53:50>> That's okay. But the EPA thought this
1:53:53was okay. We also note the concerns have
1:53:57been raised with hooning in your area
1:53:59and given what we know about speeding
1:54:01and racing across roads in a number of
1:54:04council areas and we've already had a
1:54:06fatality during unofficial racing on
1:54:09Campfield Drive earlier this year. We'd
1:54:11expect more of the same. To sum up the
1:54:14deputation, we're heartened to see that
1:54:16no matter how many times the state
1:54:18government attempts to reinvent,
1:54:20rebrand, colorize, and rellustrate their
1:54:23motorsport racetrack, the opposition
1:54:25within the community grows. We applaud
1:54:28those local councils that stand together
1:54:30and represent the majority views of
1:54:32their constituents and community,
1:54:35setting aside concerns that there may be
1:54:37adverse consequences for those that fall
1:54:40out of favor with the current state
1:54:42government. and we've seen and some of
1:54:44us have been subjected to their
1:54:46appalling behavior from the bully
1:54:48pullpit but we won't stop until
1:54:50>> I have to call time there I'm sorry uh
1:54:53but councilors do we have any questions
1:54:56for Miss Ardurn this evening councelor
1:54:58howling
1:54:59>> thank you for deputation um you
1:55:01mentioned the noise reports that you had
1:55:04received from the proponents um was
1:55:07there also a noise report that was
1:55:09undertaken by a separate independent
1:55:11group. And the reason I asked that is
1:55:14because a lot of the residents uh were
1:55:17concerned particularly towards the
1:55:19eastern part of the Milpoint ward in
1:55:22respect of the noise that will
1:55:24potentially emanate from the racetrack.
1:55:27>> There have been no independent noise
1:55:31reviews around the proposed project. Um
1:55:34the only report that was presented was
1:55:37presented to the Environmental
1:55:39Protection Authority based on um the
1:55:43facts uh provided by Supercars
1:55:46Australia. Um, we have been continually
1:55:49calling for independent noise reviews to
1:55:52be conducted. That would include up and
1:55:55down the river and all aspects of noise
1:55:58because of the mental and physical
1:56:01health of the number of people involved
1:56:04that live around the racetrack. So,
1:56:08they're very expensive, incredibly
1:56:10expensive, and there's no way that a
1:56:12little community, well, not a little
1:56:14community group, but a community group
1:56:16like ours could possibly afford to do
1:56:18that. Um, we've raised it with the um
1:56:22the upper house select committee as
1:56:25being an issue, but the EPA has said
1:56:28they're quite happy with um what was
1:56:31presented to them and they're not going
1:56:33to do any public assessment. So, we're
1:56:38wondering where to from here, but we
1:56:41would like you to stand with us um and
1:56:44Vic Park and the city of Perth in
1:56:48opposing this dodgy racetrack.
1:56:53>> Councilors, any further questions for
1:56:55Miss Ardurn? Councelor Raison,
1:56:57>> thank you for your deputation and for
1:56:59the information that came through to all
1:57:00the counselors in advance of the
1:57:02meeting. That's fine. Appreciate it.
1:57:04>> Uh I've got two questions. The first
1:57:05question is
1:57:08I'd be interested in your perspective uh
1:57:10on the general comment that's made that
1:57:12the government has the mandate because
1:57:14this was put to the community in advance
1:57:17of the election.
1:57:19>> Can I just I will have to answer this
1:57:22personally. Um a mandate is a mandate to
1:57:26govern. It's not a mandate to build a
1:57:29bloody racetrack over a park that's
1:57:32wellused where a plan already exists for
1:57:35it. There has been no consultation, no
1:57:39planning. It took 3 years to plan um
1:57:42Opus Stadium before they even stepped
1:57:46out to do consultation. Um it's not a
1:57:50mandate to build a racetrack. When you
1:57:53go to government, when you go to an
1:57:55election, it's a mandate to govern and
1:57:59you put your ideas to the population.
1:58:03You don't come back then and say, "Oh,
1:58:06we're going to do it because we told you
1:58:08we were. Sorry if I'm a little bit angry
1:58:11about this, but I hear that all the
1:58:13time. We've got a mandate." No, you
1:58:16don't.
1:58:18>> Thank you. And just following on from
1:58:20that, uh, one thing that we're very
1:58:22familiar with in my ward in particular
1:58:24is the noise that comes from Optus
1:58:26Stadium.
1:58:27>> Do you have any data about the noise
1:58:29from Optus Stadium that could be used as
1:58:31a comparison as a meaningful comparison
1:58:34for people who live in South Perth to
1:58:35understand what we're talking about?
1:58:37Because numbers don't really, you know,
1:58:39in no, you know, noise terms. What does
1:58:41that mean? Is there any data available
1:58:43about Optus noise? Well,
1:58:46we have had members of our committee
1:58:50attend a um a supercar event up at Woo.
1:58:56145 dB were recorded. Now, a safe level
1:59:01of noise in a workplace is 80 dB and
1:59:05that's only for short periods of time.
1:59:08This was ongoing 145 dB, which is about
1:59:13the noise that AC/DC would make if you
1:59:17were stood next to the speakers. Um,
1:59:21with children with no hearing
1:59:23protection, people with no hearing
1:59:25protection,
1:59:26um, the noise was spreading kilometers
1:59:30away from Wanoo, but there aren't a lot
1:59:32of residences around there. So
1:59:36I understand from our committee member
1:59:39members that there are noise um monitors
1:59:43in East Perth um that are used during
1:59:47concerts
1:59:49um which give um recordings.
1:59:52I don't know any more than that. Um, but
1:59:57certainly we could come back to this
1:59:59council with that information because I
2:00:02do know that uh my colleagues on the
2:00:04committee have it. But as far as um
2:00:09sound travel down the river, we've all
2:00:12experienced it. You know, it just
2:00:14depends which way the wind's blowing.
2:00:16But 6 to 10 kilometers is considered to
2:00:19be um the zone in which um noise
2:00:24emanating from a stadium or a racetrack
2:00:28would be in the annoying um to say the
2:00:32least range. So that's South Perth.
2:00:37>> Thank you, Miss Ardurn. Councilors,
2:00:39councelor Prenville.
2:00:40>> Hello.
2:00:41>> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um,
2:00:43thank you for your deputation, your time
2:00:45this evening. Um, I have two questions.
2:00:48Um, can you tell me a bit more about
2:00:50your um, the Save Berswood Park Alliance
2:00:53in terms of the numbers that you have in
2:00:55your group, the traction, and your
2:00:56general forms of communication out to
2:00:58the community?
2:00:59>> Okay.
2:01:01The Save Berswood Park Alliance
2:01:03commenced shortly after the announcement
2:01:06made by government and it began with a
2:01:09petition um which now at the time it was
2:01:13tabled in the in the upper house had 10
2:01:16had 10,000 signatures and it has more
2:01:19than that now. Um, out of that arose an
2:01:24a small group of community members who
2:01:26felt like we needed to pull this all
2:01:29together and and form a group. We've
2:01:33done that. Um, it has a small committee
2:01:35and we work tirelessly. This takes hours
2:01:39of our time. Um, but we now have over
2:01:431,500 members of the Berswood Park
2:01:47Alliance. So um from that we're assuming
2:01:53that we're representing a significant
2:01:56number of people. Now also from we we
2:02:00communicate online, we communicate
2:02:03directly to the members of that group.
2:02:05Um we have public websites.
2:02:09We have run rallies. Um we recently had
2:02:13a picnic which apparently had less
2:02:16people than the minister. um minister's
2:02:19uh family function but we won't go
2:02:22there. Um
2:02:24so we do activities we we get the we we
2:02:29lobby we work closely with the
2:02:32opposition members of parliament because
2:02:35this seems to be quite clearly local
2:02:38government opposition members of
2:02:41parliament and the community versus the
2:02:44Labor party. Yeah. So it's politicized.
2:02:48>> Um it wasn't politicized initially. It
2:02:51was it arose from a community concern,
2:02:55but um certainly uh organizations have
2:02:59got on board with us. And can you tell
2:03:02me out of the the grand plan of this
2:03:04whole Berswood Park, are there other
2:03:07elements that are still concerning for
2:03:09you and the group and the community or
2:03:11is it really just if the racetrack was
2:03:13gone, would everything else sort of
2:03:16>> Um,
2:03:18we've been told by the government, state
2:03:21government spokesperson, one of our
2:03:23ministers, that with no racetrack,
2:03:27there's no there's nothing. So, we're
2:03:31actually really happy about that because
2:03:34the vision for Berswood Park, which was
2:03:38developed by the the board over a 5-year
2:03:41period, was done in consultation with
2:03:45all stakeholders, including the
2:03:47committee. Now, that um vision includes
2:03:52a 10,000 person amphitheater
2:03:55in an urban forest. Now, that's
2:03:58something akin to on a bit larger scale
2:04:02um Somerville Auditorium. Um when you go
2:04:05and watch movies, it's fabulous.
2:04:09um an urban forest with activities for
2:04:13children, for adults,
2:04:16cycle paths. Um so active and passive
2:04:19recreation spaces
2:04:22and space for habitat for all those
2:04:26animals that that live there now. Um
2:04:30we're not going to have that if you ash
2:04:32felt 80% to 90% of the of the park. Um,
2:04:38so what they're proposing is an artist's
2:04:41impression. It's not what's real.
2:04:45>> Most of the park will be concreted or
2:04:49ashfelted. So yeah, it's reasonable for
2:04:53me to say go back to the vision that was
2:04:56agreed by everybody and we can get on
2:05:00with life and we can have more people
2:05:03coming into the area to help with the
2:05:07housing crisis that we're we're
2:05:09suffering.
2:05:11>> Thank you.
2:05:11>> Thank you, Miss Ardurn. Counselors,
2:05:13councelor Lee,
2:05:16>> thank you for your deputation.
2:05:18>> Sorry, my mouth's really dry. bit
2:05:20nervous.
2:05:20>> I understand.
2:05:21>> Um could you just um advise me whether
2:05:25there's been any assessment any um by
2:05:28any experts in terms of the impact of
2:05:31the noise on the local fora?
2:05:34>> Well, no, because you need to do a full
2:05:38risk assessment around noise or noise
2:05:40assessment to do that. um
2:05:46environmental groups and people who who
2:05:50are working with FOA um along the Swan
2:05:55River from South Perth, Vic Park,
2:05:58Mlands, um East Perth, around the area
2:06:01are telling us that clearly if it's if
2:06:06it's 145 dB for humans, it's going to
2:06:10blow the ears out of most of the fauna
2:06:13that lives around that. Well, they
2:06:15didn't say that, but the implication was
2:06:18that it was going to have an impact. You
2:06:21would need to do a full assessment to
2:06:23know that for sure.
2:06:26>> Thank you.
2:06:28>> Any further questions, counselors?
2:06:30No. Thank you very much, Mr. Adurn.
2:06:33>> Thank you. We look forward to your
2:06:34support. Yay.
2:06:36>> Okay. I'd now like to invite Mr.
2:06:39Christopher Groom of South Perth who is
2:06:41speaking for the notice of motion
2:06:43recommendation at item 12.11.
2:06:46Welcome to you Mr. Groom. The microphone
2:06:48is yours and we look forward to your
2:06:50deputation.
2:07:00Good evening Mayor and counselors. Thank
2:07:03you for the opportunity to make a
2:07:04deputation.
2:07:06My name is Chris Groom. I'm a South
2:07:09Perth resident living in the impact zone
2:07:12at the eastern end of the Milpoint Ward.
2:07:16Uh the impact zone of the proposed Perth
2:07:20Park motorsport street circuit and
2:07:23entertainment precinct at Berswood Park.
2:07:26I'm here tonight to speak in support of
2:07:28item 12.11,
2:07:31the notice of motion titled city of
2:07:33South Perth position on the
2:07:35entertainment and sporting precinct in
2:07:38brackets Bard Park. This item goes to
2:07:42the heart of the concerns shared by many
2:07:44residents who believe the proposed Perth
2:07:48Park Motorsport Street Circuit and
2:07:51Entertainment Precinct will directly
2:07:53impact them. Over the past several
2:07:56months, I have taken time to understand
2:07:59the proposal as thoroughly as possible.
2:08:03I've made a formal submission through
2:08:05the public consultation process,
2:08:08written to our local MLA, Mr. Jeff
2:08:10Baker, and reviewed every available
2:08:13public document, including the recently
2:08:17released business case summary. I've
2:08:20also written to main roads seeking
2:08:22clarification about the project's
2:08:24consultation history. My comments this
2:08:27evening are grounded in that work and in
2:08:31the lived experience of residents who
2:08:34will be directly affected. Item one,
2:08:38lack of early consultation and
2:08:40transparency.
2:08:43A central concern for many residents is
2:08:46the absence of meaningful consultation
2:08:49before the state government's election
2:08:51commitment in January 2025.
2:08:54The phase 1 consultation report makes it
2:08:58clear that community engagement did not
2:09:00begin until the 15th of May 2025, more
2:09:05than 2 months after the election.
2:09:07The first communication I personally
2:09:10received was the Perth Park project
2:09:13update which landed in my letter box on
2:09:16in November of 2025, long after the
2:09:20major design elements had been settled.
2:09:23This raises important governance
2:09:25questions. If a project of this scale
2:09:28and impact were announced during an
2:09:30election period without prior
2:09:32consultation and if affected communities
2:09:35were notified only after key decisions
2:09:38were made, then the community has not
2:09:41been afforded a fair or genuine
2:09:43opportunity to help shape the proposal.
2:09:46Tonight's notice of motion seeks to
2:09:49raise exactly these concerns, and I
2:09:52strongly support that.
2:09:54Item two, resident amenity, noise, and
2:09:57environmental concerns.
2:10:00The noise modeling report prepared by
2:10:02Lloyd Lloyd George Acoustics estimates
2:10:05average race event noise levels of 78 to
2:10:1085 dibels with maximum peaks of 84 to 91
2:10:15dibels. For context, the allowable
2:10:18noise, the allowable limit rather, the
2:10:22noise sensitive premises under the
2:10:24environmental protection regulations is
2:10:2765 dibels unless an approved noise
2:10:30management plan is in place. Even at 3
2:10:34or 4 kilometers away, which is the
2:10:36distance approximate distance from my
2:10:38house to the location of the proposed
2:10:42motor racing circuit, sound traveled
2:10:44clearly across the Swan River due to the
2:10:46unobstructed path. My house household
2:10:50and many in South Perth would fall
2:10:51within the area likely to be affected.
2:10:54In addition, Bersford Park is reclaimed
2:10:58land historically used as a waste site
2:11:01including asbestous and heavy metals.
2:11:04Subsidance risks are well known on this
2:11:06type of land and significant excavation
2:11:09uh for structures such as the
2:11:11amphitheater introduces new geotechnical
2:11:13concerns that warrant scrutiny. These
2:11:17matters justify the council taking a
2:11:19firm position to ensure such impacts are
2:11:23appropriately investigated and
2:11:25communicated. Item three, local traffic
2:11:29and access impacts, lessons from past
2:11:32events.
2:11:34South Perth has decades of experience
2:11:37with the cumulative impacts of
2:11:40significant events in neighboring prec.
2:11:43And these examples are highly relevant
2:11:46when considering the likely effects
2:11:48effects of motorsport events at Perth
2:11:51Park.
2:11:53Firstly, skyworks. For almost 30 years,
2:11:56skyworks brought very large crowds into
2:11:59the area. In the early years, the
2:12:01aftermath aftermath led to severe
2:12:03gridlock as tens of thousands of people
2:12:06tried to leave at once and illegal
2:12:09parking was widespread.
2:12:11The South Perth the city of South Perth
2:12:14later introduced parking restrictions
2:12:15which while improving uncontrolled
2:12:18parking disproportionately affected
2:12:20residents who were subject to early
2:12:23morning restrictions. Out of area
2:12:25visitors were often not penalized simply
2:12:28because rangers could not move through
2:12:30the heavy congestion immediately before,
2:12:33during, or after the event.
2:12:36Residents carried much of the
2:12:37inconvenience so that the broader Perth
2:12:40community could enjoy the event.
2:12:43Uh secondly, the Perthful Drive and
2:12:46Adventure Show just weeks ago.
2:12:49More recently, the Perth four-wheel
2:12:51drive and adventure show at McKelen Park
2:12:54created an absolute fraiction muzzle
2:12:58over several days. Access routes at
2:13:01Milpoint Road, Way Road, and Canning
2:13:03Highway became heavily congested. At
2:13:06times, effectively paralyzed, local
2:13:09residents struggled to reach their
2:13:10homes, and the usual turn restrictions
2:13:13on Canning Highway compounded the
2:13:15bottlenecks.
2:13:17Although this event occurred in the
2:13:19neighboring suburb of Vic Park, the
2:13:21practical events were felt directly in
2:13:24South Perth, demonstrating that major
2:13:26events held just across the boundary can
2:13:29still impose significant disruption on
2:13:32our community.
2:13:34Thirdly, optadium events. Even with
2:13:37purpose-built public transport
2:13:39infrastructure,
2:13:41Optus Stadium events cause regular
2:13:43delays along Cadding Highway due to the
2:13:46volume and frequency of event buses and
2:13:49increased vehicular traffic. It remains
2:13:52unclear whether motorsport events at
2:13:55Perth Park will have the same level of
2:13:57free public transport provision.
2:14:00And even if they do, the transport
2:14:03network has not been optimized for Perth
2:14:05Park as it was for Optus Stadium.
2:14:09It's reasonable to expect a greater
2:14:11proportion of attendees to drive,
2:14:14increasing congestion in South Perth.
2:14:18Taken together, these examples
2:14:20demonstrate that South Perth already
2:14:23carries a significant share of the
2:14:25transport and access burden associated
2:14:28with major events and often without
2:14:31receiving any direct benefit. A
2:14:34motorsport facility of this scale will
2:14:36magnify these impacts. Item four,
2:14:40governance costing and project
2:14:42integrity. The business case summary
2:14:45released in late November raises further
2:14:47questions. Asil Ellen explicitly states
2:14:51that it has relied entirely on the
2:14:54information provided, has not verified
2:14:56its accuracy, and does not warrant the
2:14:59accuracy of any forecast.
2:15:01Despite a 10-month construction cost
2:15:04estimation in 2025, the project
2:15:07estimated cost
2:15:09surprisingly remains the same as the
2:15:11original figure originally announced
2:15:13during the election period. This strains
2:15:16credibility and increases the
2:15:19community's concern about transparency
2:15:22and due diligence.
2:15:25In conclusion, the notice of motion
2:15:27before council tonight is measured,
2:15:31responsible,
2:15:32and entirely reasonable.
2:15:35It does not oppose economic development.
2:15:38It does not oppose motorsport. It simply
2:15:41recognizes the environmental impacts are
2:15:44real. The community impacts are
2:15:47significant.
2:15:48due process has not been correctly
2:15:51followed and the residents of South
2:15:54Perth deserve to have their concerns
2:15:56formally acknowledged and communicated
2:15:59to the state government. I strongly
2:16:01support this emotion and respectfully
2:16:04encourage councilors to adopt it. Thank
2:16:07you for the opportunity to address you
2:16:08this evening.
2:16:10>> Thank you for your deputation, Mr.
2:16:11Groom. Councilors, do we have any
2:16:13questions for Mr. Groom? Councelor
2:16:16Raison,
2:16:17>> thank you for your deputation, Mr.
2:16:18Groom, and for taking the time to do
2:16:20such detailed research. I will put the
2:16:22same question to you as I uh put to Miss
2:16:25Ardurn about uh your view or perspective
2:16:29on the fact that the government has a
2:16:30mandate already because this project was
2:16:33taken to the election. I know you
2:16:34touched on that in your deputation, but
2:16:36I'd be interested in what you say about
2:16:38any consultation specifically before the
2:16:41election and that promise was made. I
2:16:43think there's a very I think there's a
2:16:45very short response to the issue of
2:16:48mandates. The government also said that
2:16:50they were going to upgrade the Perth um
2:16:54conservation and entertainment center.
2:16:56Uh they took that to the election and
2:16:58they'll have dumped that. So they can't
2:17:01have it both ways. They they can't have
2:17:03a mandate to do one thing and then
2:17:05decide when it's it's not um convenient
2:17:08for them to drop something. But on the
2:17:11other hand, something else which they've
2:17:13taken or or they had put on the agenda
2:17:15prior to the election saying, "Oh, we
2:17:17must do that because we said we're going
2:17:19to, it's just completely hypocritical
2:17:22that they try and play it both ways."
2:17:26>> Any further questions for Mr. Grim,
2:17:28counselors? Councelor Howling?
2:17:30>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Grim. Uh, you
2:17:31mentioned the noise impacts. um have you
2:17:36taken the opportunity to do some of your
2:17:37own independent analysis to get to the
2:17:39view that you've expressed this evening
2:17:41or how have you arrived at the view that
2:17:44you're expressing? uh um nothing uh
2:17:48nothing empirical only lived experience.
2:17:51Um having lived in that area uh we
2:17:56frequently uh endure uh the leadup to
2:18:00the um what's the the boat racing event
2:18:03down the Swan River? Um
2:18:06>> descent
2:18:06>> aan descent with the with the
2:18:08motorboats. So the uh the um uh training
2:18:13ground of choice for a lot of motorboat
2:18:16riders is is that area. And uh during
2:18:20the the period the the weeks prior and
2:18:24admittedly the noise output from uh a 15
2:18:29or 25 horsepower motor whatever it is
2:18:32would be
2:18:34irrelevant compared to the noise output
2:18:37from um one of these cars more moreover
2:18:42uh many of these cars. So uh my uh
2:18:47experience is only that of the lived
2:18:50experience of having endured uh that and
2:18:53I know from personal experience uh uh
2:18:57how readily that noise travels from that
2:19:00section uh um beyond the causeway
2:19:04heading up towards Madagar Beach uh
2:19:08which is where they they tend to train
2:19:10uh because there is a speed restriction
2:19:13uh beyond the the causeway. Um so uh you
2:19:18know I have first f firstand experience
2:19:20of of that. Yes.
2:19:23>> Thank you Mr. Grim. Counselors councelor
2:19:25Razison on
2:19:27>> Thank you Mr. Mayor. Just one question.
2:19:29You mentioned the sky show which we all
2:19:31kind of live through you know as a once
2:19:32a year event. Uh I just interested in
2:19:35your thoughts that the actual supercar
2:19:36race would only be held once a year.
2:19:39Um well uh quite frankly it makes no
2:19:43economic sense to build a racetrack of
2:19:48of that size and scale to hold one event
2:19:52a year. how the economic realities would
2:19:56indicate that despite the fact that
2:19:59that's the current claim, uh it it just
2:20:02is a completely beyond economic reality
2:20:06to to contemplate that it is only going
2:20:09to be used once a year for a motor
2:20:11racing event. Um so I would be highly
2:20:15skeptical about the veracity of that
2:20:18claim.
2:20:20>> Any further questions for Mr. Graham?
2:20:22councilors.
2:20:26No. Thank you very much for your
2:20:27deputation.
2:20:30I'd now like to invite Miss Veronica
2:20:32McFale of South Perth who is speaking
2:20:35for the notice of motion recommendation
2:20:37at item 12.11. Welcome to you Miss
2:20:40McFale. The microphone is yours and we
2:20:42look forward to your deputation.
2:20:50>> Thank you everyone. My one's very tiny.
2:20:54Won't take long. Wildlife Advocacy South
2:20:57Perth wishes to express its support for
2:21:00councelor Brenda Brandes motion opposing
2:21:03the proposed Berswood racetrack. The
2:21:05construction and operation of a
2:21:07racetrack at this location would have
2:21:09significant negative impacts on local
2:21:11wildlife.
2:21:13Increased noise pollution and traffic
2:21:15would place additional stress on native
2:21:17species in the proximity of the
2:21:19racetrack to key wildlife corridors.
2:21:22Also presents a direct risk to animals
2:21:24moving through the area. For these
2:21:27reasons, we support councelor Brenda
2:21:29Brandis's motion and urge the council to
2:21:31consider the environmental consequences
2:21:34for South Perth's wildlife in its
2:21:36decision making.
2:21:39>> Thank you, Miss McFale. Uh counselors,
2:21:41any questions for Miss McFale this
2:21:42evening?
2:21:44No. Thank you very much for the
2:21:46deputation.
2:21:49I'd now like to invite Miss Ashley
2:21:51Thompson of Beaconsfield who is speaking
2:21:53for the officer recommendation at item
2:21:5610.3.2.
2:21:58Is Miss Thompson with us?
2:22:02Going.
2:22:05Going. Going. Gone. Okay. Uh, I'd now
2:22:09like to invite Mr. Craig Ridge of South
2:22:11Perth who is speaking for the officer
2:22:13recommendation at item 10.3, sorry,
2:22:1610.4.3.
2:22:18Welcome, Mr. Ridge. The microphone is
2:22:20yours. We look forward to your
2:22:21deputation.
2:22:27Uh, thank you, Mayor Milner and
2:22:29counselors. Um, as mentioned, my name is
2:22:31Craig Ridge, the general manager of the
2:22:32Royal Perth Golf Club, and um, thank you
2:22:34for the opportunity to provide this
2:22:36deputation this evening.
2:22:38I would also first to like to
2:22:40acknowledge CEO Liz Ledger and welcome
2:22:42to you Liz as well as the city officers
2:22:44who have supported our submission
2:22:45outlined in item 10.4.3.
2:22:49I speak on behalf of the Royal Perth
2:22:51Golf Club in support of the office's
2:22:53recommendation to approve our stage
2:22:55three works with our ongoing reveation
2:22:58commitment aligned to the city's urban
2:23:00greening strategy, RPGC's vegetation
2:23:03management plan and replanting schedules
2:23:05as we've circulated.
2:23:08Royal Perth Golf Club has been a
2:23:10custodian of Crown Reserve 10250 for 117
2:23:15years, serving as a valued contributor
2:23:18to the South Perth community and 75% of
2:23:21our members residing within the city
2:23:23itself.
2:23:24Over more than a century, we have
2:23:26demonstrated sustained environmental
2:23:28stewardship, transform transforming what
2:23:31was originally sandy coastal shrubs and
2:23:33grasses into the substantial tree canopy
2:23:36that exists on the site today.
2:23:40As detailed in our submission to city
2:23:41offices and now council, we now seek
2:23:44approval for the third and final stage
2:23:46of our our improvement works following
2:23:48two successful stages already approved
2:23:51by the city in 2024 and 2025 under our
2:23:55lease.
2:23:56This proposal has been carefully
2:23:58developed to achieve two primary
2:24:00objectives.
2:24:02First, we must enhance safety across the
2:24:05site. We have a fundamental duty of care
2:24:08to our 1600 members, our staff,
2:24:11residents, and the broader community to
2:24:13act towards this objective.
2:24:15The second, an opportunity to
2:24:17significantly enhance site revitation
2:24:20using ecological principles that focus
2:24:22on local plant species native to this
2:24:25area. Species that provide superior
2:24:28habitat for the local fauna and
2:24:30contribute to greater biodiversity
2:24:32within South Perth.
2:24:35Currently, the site contains many trees
2:24:37that are non-endemic to the area, having
2:24:40been planted as misguided selections and
2:24:42emerging from seedlings over time. These
2:24:45have overcrowded the reserve, creating
2:24:48the safety issues outlined in our
2:24:49submission and limiting the ideal
2:24:52habitat to local fauna.
2:24:55At 33 hectares, this site is considered
2:24:57small compared to other golf courses,
2:25:00the overarching use of the space under
2:25:02our lease agreement, covering more than
2:25:04a century of occupancy.
2:25:07Throughout planning for this final
2:25:08stage, we have worked to minimize tree
2:25:10removals while meeting our objectives.
2:25:13A recent tree canopy assessment
2:25:15confirmed approximately 13.6 6 hectares
2:25:18of canopy exists within the 33 hectare
2:25:21site representing 41% coverage of the
2:25:25reserve.
2:25:26When the club first occupied this
2:25:28reserve, canopy coverage was merely 1.5
2:25:30hectares of mostly coastal shrubs, sandy
2:25:33wasteland and grasses. All subsequent
2:25:36plantings have been undertaken by the
2:25:38club and our members and heritage
2:25:40comparisons shown on page five and page
2:25:4311 and 12 of our vegetation master plan.
2:25:47The club acknowledges and respects there
2:25:50may be concerns about the initial canopy
2:25:52loss from removing 77 76 trees under
2:25:55this stage three proposal.
2:25:58To provide context, in 2026, the club is
2:26:01requesting removal of just.77 hectares
2:26:05of identified canopy from from the
2:26:07existing 13.6 hectares to meet these
2:26:10objectives.
2:26:12This will be replaced through a
2:26:13committed planting program extending to
2:26:162029 that the club has provided with
2:26:19full transparency.
2:26:22Our environmental commitment is already
2:26:24underway. Over the past 18 months, we
2:26:26have planted 68 trees across the site.
2:26:29Further initiatives have seen 500 native
2:26:32plants and over 200 2,000 grasses and
2:26:34monocots included as well, eventually
2:26:37replacing 29,000 square meters of
2:26:40irrigated turf, a 2.9 hectare
2:26:43transformation, delivering both water
2:26:45saving and enhanced biodiversity.
2:26:49Looking ahead, our commitment to
2:26:51environmentally transform the reserve
2:26:52with a minimum replanting of 242 native
2:26:55trees from 12 L and 35 L pot sizes.
2:26:598,150 shrubs and 10,590 native grasses
2:27:03is extensive.
2:27:06Plus an additional commitment to the
2:27:0712,000 square meter Melville parade
2:27:09area. A space with tremendous
2:27:11environmental potential. We'll see an
2:27:14additional 8,000 indigenous plantings
2:27:16occur.
2:27:18In total, 26,982
2:27:20plantings will transfer transform this
2:27:23uh diverse space for the community.
2:27:27The club respects the city's urban
2:27:28greening strategy and our objectives and
2:27:31proposal fully support its intent across
2:27:33the pillars of protect, enhance, manage,
2:27:36connect, and support.
2:27:38The club's alliance to this strategy is
2:27:40clear. Realistically working towards the
2:27:42outline of objectives.
2:27:44The goal underpinning the pillar of
2:27:46enhance within the strategy states the
2:27:49city the city's environmental and
2:27:51community well-being is enhanced by
2:27:53expanding existing urban greening and
2:27:55incorporating innovative natural
2:27:58positive design responses
2:28:01i.e. Put the right plan plant in the
2:28:03right place at the right time. Enhance
2:28:06biodiversity. Increase beautiful healthy
2:28:09spaces for community well-being. Deliver
2:28:12equitable urban greening across the
2:28:13city. And balance urban greening with
2:28:16urban development and built environment.
2:28:19It is incredibly hard to argue against
2:28:21the club's intent of this submission
2:28:23which echoes these objectives.
2:28:26Some have suggested extreme ratios such
2:28:28as 891 saplings to replace a large
2:28:31mature tree which is is unrealistic and
2:28:35impractical suggestion which would
2:28:37clearly exceed our water allocation caps
2:28:39and water allocation and saving
2:28:42initiatives.
2:28:44Our plan delivers a practical minimum
2:28:463.5 to1 replanting ratio. That's 3.5
2:28:50indigenous plantings to every mature
2:28:52tree removed and well above the required
2:28:55ratio set for our industry peer clubs
2:28:57and their community councils.
2:29:01This ratio is evidence-based,
2:29:02ecologically sound, achievable within
2:29:05water sustainability limits, and
2:29:07consistent with best practice.
2:29:09The club's proposal also aligns with
2:29:11local planning policy 3.2 two, by
2:29:13balancing environmental protection with
2:29:15community and sporting benefits,
2:29:17modernizing facilities sustainably and
2:29:19meeting all monitoring and reporting
2:29:22conditions.
2:29:23In closing, for 117 years, Royal Perth
2:29:26Golf Club has transformed Sandy
2:29:28Scrubland into the thriving green space
2:29:30which holds significance within the
2:29:32South Perth community. Stage three of
2:29:35our proposed works continues this proud
2:29:37legacy of environmental stewardship.
2:29:40This is not simply tree removal. We're
2:29:42replacing many non-native species with
2:29:44endemic plantings that deliver genuine
2:29:47habitat value and biodiversity gains
2:29:51while addressing critical safety
2:29:52obligations to our members and community
2:29:55as well as delivering a recreational
2:29:56space which gains international
2:29:58interest.
2:30:00The evidence supports this proposal. The
2:30:02ecological principles are sound. The
2:30:04outcomes benefit our members, the
2:30:06community, and the club's future. I urge
2:30:09council to support the officer
2:30:10recommendation allowing the club to
2:30:12complete this exciting final stage of
2:30:15this responsible site transformation and
2:30:17thank you.
2:30:19>> Thank you for your deputation Mr. Ridge.
2:30:21Councilors, any questions for Mr. Ridge
2:30:23this evening? Councelor Russell.
2:30:25>> Uh thank you Mr. Mayor and thank you Mr.
2:30:27Ridge for your deputation. Um as there
2:30:30is a safety concern with some of these
2:30:31trees that you're proposing to remove.
2:30:33May I ask why they weren't removed in
2:30:36stage one or stage two?
2:30:38>> Um works.
2:30:39>> Sure. We've we have broken this into
2:30:41three stages from a financial
2:30:43perspective for the club. Um and from a
2:30:46compliance point of view upon um
2:30:48achieving the approvals, we have gone
2:30:50yearbyear. So 24 256.
2:30:53Um we essentially did not have the
2:30:56financial support to be able to look
2:30:57forward to 2026 until now.
2:31:02Thank you, Mr. Ridge. Coun councelor
2:31:04Lees.
2:31:06>> Thank you for your deputation, Mr.
2:31:08Ridge. Sure.
2:31:08>> Um, further on the safety issue, can you
2:31:11tell me how long member safety has been
2:31:14an issue at the golf course?
2:31:15>> Uh, member safety is an issue. Um, I
2:31:18think at every golf course, but with the
2:31:2033 hectare space, it has become uh an
2:31:24increasing issue for us. um it's
2:31:26something that we're starting to observe
2:31:29more often and I think with the risks um
2:31:31that are there it's important that we
2:31:33mitigate them when we when we can
2:31:36>> so that it's not been for the last 117
2:31:39years it's been I mean you you obviously
2:31:41have a lot of trees during that time
2:31:43>> that's right yeah the game the game of
2:31:45golf evolves the pro the um technology
2:31:47has evolved the ball is flying further
2:31:50it's now opportunity to to act against
2:31:52that
2:31:52>> so has it been the last five years or
2:31:54last 10 years
2:31:56technology is is enhancing every year in
2:31:59Gulf. So,
2:31:59>> no, I mean in terms of member safety.
2:32:02>> Um, yes, I would say over the last 5 to
2:32:0410 years it's been enhanced.
2:32:06>> Okay. And do you have any data on any
2:32:09incidents?
2:32:10>> Very happy to provide that to you.
2:32:12Absolutely. We have a register.
2:32:14>> Yes.
2:32:15>> Um, I just um one more question if I
2:32:18may. Um can you tell me um you mentioned
2:32:21the four pillars of the urban greening
2:32:22strategy
2:32:23>> and the manage one in particular, but
2:32:25how does your proposal respond to the
2:32:28protect pillar which talks to uh
2:32:32removing trees as a a last resort and
2:32:35protecting wherever possible.
2:32:37>> There's been careful planning for this
2:32:40stage for a good nine months now and we
2:32:42have made sure that we've kept this to a
2:32:45minimal tree removal. Um we understand
2:32:48our responsibility within the community
2:32:50and our trees on our site are important
2:32:53to the golf club as well. Um but in this
2:32:56case for the objectives that we are
2:32:58trying to achieve um we feel there's no
2:33:01other option in this in this form.
2:33:04>> Thank you.
2:33:05>> Any further questions? Counselors
2:33:07councelor Brenda Brandis.
2:33:10>> Thank you for your deputation Mr. Ridge.
2:33:13Um I've just got a couple questions uh
2:33:15with regard to the safety. So having uh
2:33:18a review of the actual safety uh aspect
2:33:20report there's a considerable number of
2:33:23fairways and TE's that have actually got
2:33:26um unsafe locations. So has the club
2:33:30taken any initiatives say in the last
2:33:32decade to address any of the safety
2:33:34issues or is the the first instance that
2:33:37safety is now being addressed?
2:33:39>> Um more so on a member awareness level.
2:33:41Um that's all we could really do at this
2:33:44point in time considering the way that
2:33:46the the fairways are aligning and and um
2:33:50the direction of play. Um and under this
2:33:53um stage we were able to align holes in
2:33:56the same direction which helps us to be
2:33:58able to mitigate balls coming in from
2:34:01different angles. Um we're also removing
2:34:03a green out of an area which is now
2:34:06quite congested with um four or five
2:34:08greens in the same area. If we can open
2:34:10that space up, it allows us to have more
2:34:13space which then assists with our safety
2:34:15objectives.
2:34:16>> Thank you very much. And with regard to
2:34:19um the safety incidents that you're
2:34:22prepared to share, can you just um give
2:34:24us a bit of an overview as to what some
2:34:26of those incidents have been say in the
2:34:28last five or 10 years?
2:34:29>> Um generally members or guests being
2:34:33struck by a golf ball. Um nothing
2:34:36serious to this point in time. However,
2:34:39um we we're starting to see across the
2:34:41industry. We've recently seen um a a
2:34:45young PGA professional who was hit in
2:34:47the eye um and hasn't is now blind in
2:34:50one eye. I think if we have an uh we
2:34:53have an obligation to mitigate that if
2:34:55we can um align to this submission, I
2:34:58think we're trying to achieve that as
2:35:00best we possibly can.
2:35:01>> All right. Thank you very much. And one
2:35:03final question with regard to the uh
2:35:05trees that are planned for removal. Do
2:35:07you have an indication on the average
2:35:09age of those trees or what the oldest
2:35:11trees may actually be?
2:35:12>> Um, not off the top of my head, but I do
2:35:14have the information that I'm happy to
2:35:16provide.
2:35:16>> If you could, that would be appreciated.
2:35:18Thank you.
2:35:18>> Pleasure.
2:35:20>> Councelor Raison.
2:35:22>> Thank you for your deputation, Mr.
2:35:24Ridge, and thank you for your club's
2:35:26contribution to our community. Actually,
2:35:28I was fortunate to be there for a
2:35:30breakfast meeting this morning, so uh I
2:35:32had a good look at the trees while I was
2:35:34there. Um, putting the environmental
2:35:36pluses and minuses of your stage three
2:35:38proposal to one side, are there any
2:35:40wider benefits to the community that
2:35:42will come out of this stage stage three
2:35:45works? Is your club at maximum capacity
2:35:48of membership? Can more be done to
2:35:50contribute to the wider community as a
2:35:52result of this stage three?
2:35:54>> Uh, our club is at maximum capacity for
2:35:56male membership um only recently. Um we
2:36:00are we are still open to members in many
2:36:02other categories across the club. Um so
2:36:05we are still open to the community as
2:36:07well. Um the benefits of the community
2:36:10that we see is enhancing the fauna flora
2:36:13and fauna around the golf course which
2:36:15is then enhancing um the reserve itself
2:36:18which is as we know public access um and
2:36:21we still have an obligation to the
2:36:22community with that respect.
2:36:25>> Thank you. And do you ever have any uh
2:36:28engagement in relation to for with this
2:36:30for example the tree canopy group or any
2:36:33conversations in terms of your uh
2:36:35planning
2:36:37>> um in my short time as G general manager
2:36:40no I have not
2:36:42>> thank you and uh in the materials that
2:36:44we received it uh looked to me and
2:36:47correct me if I'm wrong because there's
2:36:49a lot of material with this meeting uh
2:36:52in stage two 13 trees were removed as
2:36:55part of that stage. Uh are you able but
2:36:58I didn't see any explanation as to what
2:37:01that was for. Are you able to sort of
2:37:03enlighten us about the 13 trees that
2:37:05have already been removed?
2:37:07>> Yes, the 13 trees that were approved
2:37:09under the same principle in stage two. A
2:37:11different area of the golf course was
2:37:13the northern end of our property. Um
2:37:15there were 13 trees within that were
2:37:17clumps of casarinas as well.
2:37:21>> Any further questions for Mr. Ridge
2:37:23counselors?
2:37:25No. Thank you very much for your
2:37:26deputation.
2:37:27>> Thank you.
2:37:29>> I'd now like to invite Ms. Brunman David
2:37:31of South Perth who is speaking against
2:37:34the officer recommendation on item
2:37:3710.4.3.
2:37:39Welcome to you, Miss David. The
2:37:40microphone is yours and we look forward
2:37:42to your deputation.
2:37:43>> Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Good
2:37:45evening, Mayor, counselors, and
2:37:47administrative staff. Um yes, I'm
2:37:50addressing the uh Royal Perth Golf Club
2:37:53um proposed stage three works. Um I
2:37:56speak on behalf of um South Perth Tree
2:37:58Canopy Advocates. It's a which is a
2:38:01volunteer organization that as it says
2:38:03on the label advocates advoc advocates
2:38:06for trees in our local environment. Um,
2:38:09so naturally our group was concerned to
2:38:11hear of the tree the planned removal of
2:38:1476 trees from the golf course in
2:38:16addition to the 13 already removed. I
2:38:19speak for myself and the over 100 email
2:38:23subscribers that this group has and the
2:38:26hundreds in our Facebook group.
2:38:29Tree removal has been the theme of the
2:38:32year in South Perth. It seems fresh from
2:38:34the removal of the saplings on the
2:38:36foreshore. It does seem that having
2:38:38escaped the lion's den, the city is
2:38:41making the mistake of going back for
2:38:42their hat by proposing the removal of
2:38:45even more trees in the area. To a
2:38:48dispassionate observer, it might appear
2:38:51that once again the desires of a small
2:38:53number of residents or members is being
2:38:56preferenced over the needs of the
2:38:57environment, our client, our climate,
2:39:01and the vast majority of the
2:39:03municipality.
2:39:05Royal Perth Golf Club enjoys a
2:39:07privileged position in our community
2:39:09with more or less private access to a
2:39:12large green space which they lease but
2:39:15which belongs to all of us to me and to
2:39:18many others who have expressed this
2:39:20opinion to me. Their privilege comes
2:39:22with the responsibility to preserve and
2:39:25maintain this beautiful oasis which adds
2:39:28to our canopy, buffers us from major
2:39:30road and offers a tranquil pocket of
2:39:33greenery and shade even if we can only
2:39:35enjoy it with our eyes.
2:39:38The club has enjoyed this privilege for
2:39:40over a century and naturally over that
2:39:42time many trees and plants have been
2:39:44established to provide a pleasant
2:39:46environment for golfers and also to
2:39:48shade them so they can enjoy the game
2:39:50during our long summers. Recognition of
2:39:53the age and importance of these trees is
2:39:56reflected in the fact that so many of
2:39:58them were recorded in the city's
2:40:02significant tree register. all the pink
2:40:04bits on the map.
2:40:08Just because the significant tree
2:40:10register no longer exists thanks to the
2:40:12stroke of a ministerial pen doesn't mean
2:40:15that the trees suddenly stop being
2:40:17significant. They continue to have the
2:40:19same characteristics that put them on
2:40:21the register. Nowhere in the
2:40:23documentation submitted in relation to
2:40:25the plant tree removals could I find any
2:40:28mapping of the trees to be removed
2:40:31against the former register. If the
2:40:33register was still extent, there would
2:40:35be multiple hoops for the property owner
2:40:38or manager as here to remove a tree. It
2:40:42seems here that the club is taking
2:40:44advantage of the end of the register to
2:40:46seek wholesale tree removals.
2:40:49Fortunately, then we have something
2:40:50better than the old significant tree
2:40:52register local planning policy 3.2 tree
2:40:56retention adopted in August this year.
2:40:59The adoption of this policy reflected a
2:41:01long needed protection of our large
2:41:03trees, the majority of which are being
2:41:05lost on private property and a
2:41:08recognition of the garden nature of our
2:41:10suburbs that are surprised by residents.
2:41:13However, this policy won't apply because
2:41:15of course this isn't private property.
2:41:18Nevertheless, as the deciding authority
2:41:21for tree works at the golf club, the
2:41:23council must surely be guided by the
2:41:25same principles that led to the adoption
2:41:27of the policy. Otherwise, it the council
2:41:31opens itself again as with the foreshore
2:41:33sapling debate to criticism that there
2:41:36is one rule rule for residents and
2:41:39another for the city or for a small
2:41:41number of privileged residents. Again,
2:41:43there is a very real risk of
2:41:46reputational harm to the council if it
2:41:48allows these trees to be cleared without
2:41:50careful examination of the circumstances
2:41:53of each tree proposed to be removed. The
2:41:57justification for the removal of a lot
2:41:59of these trees is that they are in the
2:42:01wrong place or are of a species that in
2:42:04retrospect might not be the right tree
2:42:07in the right place. Again, if these
2:42:10removals are allowed to go ahead, this
2:42:12sets a very dangerous precedent on the
2:42:14lo the local planning policy. I hope
2:42:17that if a homeowner came to you with a
2:42:20tree removal application and said,
2:42:23"Yeah, I just don't like that type of
2:42:25tree." That would not be considered
2:42:27sufficient justification for removal. In
2:42:31the same way we now expect a homeowner
2:42:33to make the best of their tree
2:42:35situation, whether that is its location
2:42:38or its species, the golf club should be
2:42:40required to try harder to accommodate
2:42:43the existing trees.
2:42:46Obviously, trees are a living organism
2:42:48and some of those proposed to be removed
2:42:50have come or are approaching the end of
2:42:52their life. But it was interesting to
2:42:55read in the submissions from the club
2:42:56that the justification of safety to
2:43:00remove the trees didn't seem to be about
2:43:02keeping golfers safe from falling trees,
2:43:04but meant the safety of not going over
2:43:07par by hitting your ball into another
2:43:09tea or outside the course. And of
2:43:12course, dead trees serve a purpose in
2:43:15the environment. It is only in dead
2:43:17trees that the hollows some birds use to
2:43:22nest form. I could find no reference in
2:43:25the papers to a wildlife survey and
2:43:28whether the trees proposed to be removed
2:43:32um have nesting hollows or were food
2:43:35sources for local species. I know for a
2:43:38fact that there are um psums living on
2:43:43the course in trees including in
2:43:46peppermint trees which are amongst um
2:43:48some to be removed. Um not much point in
2:43:52saying oh but we'll plant another tree
2:43:54knowing that it's going to be decades
2:43:56until that's going to be able to sport
2:43:58wildlife such as this. So whilst the
2:44:01club intends to plant more trees, shrubs
2:44:04and no doubt sedes.
2:44:06Did anyone else have sedgers on their
2:44:08word bingo for 2025?
2:44:11There are only 242 trees planned to be
2:44:14planted. In other words, 2 and a half
2:44:16trees for every one removed. This is
2:44:19grossly inadequate. As the previous
2:44:22speaker observed, it has been estimated
2:44:24that it is required to plant 891
2:44:27saplings to replace a large mature tree.
2:44:30If we're talking about carbon capture
2:44:33and shade and the survival of the tree
2:44:37etc. the replacement trees according to
2:44:40my reading of the information
2:44:43will come as tube stock or in 160 mm or
2:44:47200 mm pots. This is a 200 mm pot. You
2:44:52don't get a very big tree in that.
2:44:57So they're not going to be even
2:44:59semi-mature plants.
2:45:01Current and future growing conditions,
2:45:04our hoser, drier climate are likely to
2:45:06mean that the trees planted now will
2:45:08never achieve the heights of existing
2:45:10species. And more than half of the
2:45:13replacement trees are smaller species
2:45:15such as bankers and paper barks. I've
2:45:18never seen a 10 m bankure in my life. So
2:45:21to to say that they could grow that big
2:45:23is an ex exaggeration and seems to be
2:45:26for the purpose of bigging up the
2:45:29replacement plantings.
2:45:32I don't doubt the desire of the club to
2:45:34do the best they can for their members
2:45:36and their grounds. But the council must
2:45:39bear in mind that the decision to remove
2:45:41these trees or the council must bear in
2:45:45mind how the decision to remove these
2:45:47trees will look in the light of local
2:45:50planning policy 3.2.
2:45:52Thank you.
2:45:54>> Thank you for your deputation, Miss
2:45:56David. Counselors, councelor Hing,
2:45:59>> thank you for your deputation. uh very
2:46:01insightful and uh appreciate it. Um I'm
2:46:04wondering under what circumstances is it
2:46:07appropriate to remove one or two or 10
2:46:10trees or is there different criteria
2:46:12that's applied or how do you approach
2:46:14it?
2:46:15>> I'd simply like in the same way a
2:46:19homeowner would have to make just
2:46:21justification for removing trees for
2:46:23each tree to be um understood on its
2:46:27merits. So as I said in my submission
2:46:31trees age some of them will die but of
2:46:36the dead ones has there been examination
2:46:38as to whether there are nesting hollows
2:46:40or are they providing habitat for um any
2:46:43species. So all I want is for each tree
2:46:48to be examined um as an individual tree
2:46:51and not just bundled up as in you know
2:46:55the council making decision that we're
2:46:57just going to wholesale allow 2
2:47:0076 trees to be taken out.
2:47:04>> Thank you. If I may a supplementary
2:47:05>> councelor Heling. Yes.
2:47:06>> Thank you. Um,
2:47:09if if that's the case, um, is there ever
2:47:13an occasion on which a tree could be or
2:47:16should be removed?
2:47:20>> Um, you seen my t-shirt. Um, I'm here to
2:47:24advocate for trees. I'm not here, um, I
2:47:28mean, I know it's a fine line, um, but
2:47:31I'm not the decision-making authority
2:47:33here. Um,
2:47:36all I want is for council to understand
2:47:41that the community is concerned about
2:47:44our canopy and wants care to be taken in
2:47:48respect of making decision to remove any
2:47:50tree.
2:47:53>> Thank you, Miss David. Councelor, any
2:47:55other questions for Miss David?
2:47:57Councelor Brenda Brandis.
2:48:00>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you, Mr.
2:48:01David, for your deputation. Um I
2:48:04understand from the proposed tree
2:48:05planting that approximately 40% of the
2:48:08trees will be bangshere menes and
2:48:10bankshia grandis. Um can you comment
2:48:14specifically on the bankshiers because I
2:48:17understand they are temperamental
2:48:19difficult at best at times and easily
2:48:21disturbed will are subject to high
2:48:25mortality rate. Could you provide any
2:48:26comments on those varieties?
2:48:29I'm certainly no expert, but that is my
2:48:33experience and my understanding as well.
2:48:36And when um the previous speaker and I
2:48:40both talked about um it being, you know,
2:48:43some estimates require that 891 saplings
2:48:47are planted to replace a single mature
2:48:49tree. I think that number is too high to
2:48:52allow for the inevitable death of small
2:48:55plants.
2:48:57>> Thank you very much, Mr. David and uh a
2:48:59second question with regard to the
2:49:01proposed planting I could I see they've
2:49:03got eucalyptus margina chromia calopella
2:49:06in there as well very important for the
2:49:07twos um but with regard to what is
2:49:12going to be immediately lost do you
2:49:14consider that that would be sufficient
2:49:16given the delay in growth and uh
2:49:20fruiting over many years to get to a a
2:49:22height significant heightened um size
2:49:27Again, I'm no horicultural expert or nor
2:49:32um an expert in terms of the habitat of
2:49:35our local species. I do know, as I
2:49:38mentioned, that there are psums living
2:49:42in peppermint trees and I know that
2:49:44peppermint trees are amongst the ones to
2:49:46be removed.
2:49:49And again, I saw nothing in the um
2:49:52information before the council that I
2:49:54had the opportunity to read that
2:49:56addressed any aspect of um a wildlife or
2:50:00bird life survey on the course to assess
2:50:03whether the trees that are emarked for
2:50:06removal are actually providing habitat
2:50:08or food.
2:50:11>> Uh thank you again for that response. Um
2:50:13so for the proposed trees that are going
2:50:15to be planted I can see that there's no
2:50:17um peppermint tree going as flexoa but
2:50:20there are a variety of other trees um do
2:50:23you consider those other trees would be
2:50:25a suitable food source for the psums
2:50:28that are resident in the area?
2:50:31>> I'm afraid I'm not an expert on on psum
2:50:34habitat in the area. Um I do know they
2:50:37like to live in people's roofs but
2:50:39that's as far as my expertise goes. Any
2:50:43further questions for Yes, I think
2:50:45Councelor Raison was faced first there.
2:50:48>> Thank you for your deputation and thank
2:50:50you for your group's advocacy as well.
2:50:52It's a very important issue in the
2:50:53community. Um I've got three short
2:50:57questions really. First is in relation
2:50:59to whether it is possible to plant more
2:51:01mature native trees. You mentioned the
2:51:04size there. I don't know whether it's a
2:51:05cost- driven issue or whether it's just
2:51:07not feasible to plant more mature um
2:51:09endemic trees. Uh the speaker before me
2:51:12from the club indicated uh said
2:51:15something about a 35 L um pot in which
2:51:19um some of the plants to be planted
2:51:22would come which I think is bigger than
2:51:24that. So I'm not sure where his figure
2:51:27comes from but certainly um the bigger
2:51:30the tree that goes in the ground the
2:51:31better the chance of success it has. And
2:51:33I would um I I would think that that
2:51:37would be a very reasonable requirement
2:51:39that at least semi-mature trees be
2:51:42planted. I know um as a corollery where
2:51:45a um a homeowner needs a to remove a
2:51:48street tree perhaps for a crossover or
2:51:50for some other purpose, they're often
2:51:53required to plant a six meter tree. So
2:51:56these sorts of trees are available to um
2:51:59to be obtained and put in the ground.
2:52:02Thank you. And uh next question. If
2:52:06there has to be trees removed and you're
2:52:09looking at a choice between an endemic
2:52:11or non-endemic tree, would your group
2:52:14say that one the non-endemic tree would
2:52:16be prioritized or is that too
2:52:18simplistic?
2:52:20>> It is too simplistic. Um obviously the
2:52:24count the the golf club has gone to a
2:52:26great deal of effort and no doubt
2:52:29engaged experts who are better at um you
2:52:34know understanding appropriate species.
2:52:38I'm do note that just because a species
2:52:41isn't endemic doesn't mean it's not
2:52:43serving a purpose in our environment.
2:52:47For example, the pine plantation, as we
2:52:49know, is feeding the black cockatu um
2:52:52population and the the the cockatus
2:52:55never had that food source before um
2:52:57European settlement. So clearly they
2:53:01they are adaptable. Um and it may be
2:53:04that the local um flora, local fauna
2:53:08have adapted to the non-endemic species
2:53:11that are that is that are present.
2:53:13>> Thank you. And I don't know if your
2:53:15group tracks uh where the shot hole bora
2:53:18is currently moving in the community and
2:53:20whether the golf course area is one of
2:53:23those places.
2:53:24>> Look, unfortunately we know nothing
2:53:26about it um despite inquiries of um deep
2:53:29herd um you know who won't release
2:53:31information on um the basis of of
2:53:34privacy. I do know that there's a lot of
2:53:36bora at the um the zoo which is just
2:53:39across the road. So wouldn't be
2:53:41surprising if there was um bora um in
2:53:45the golf course. Um but of course the
2:53:48presence of the bora is simply another
2:53:51reason to try and preserve every tree
2:53:55that we have um because we are going to
2:53:57lose a lot over the years to the bora.
2:54:02>> Any further questions councilors?
2:54:04Councelor Lee.
2:54:07>> Thank you for your deputation. U Miss
2:54:09David, um I I know there's been a lot of
2:54:12discussion about fauna and biodiversity
2:54:15and I understand that's a very um
2:54:17important issue, but um can you explain
2:54:20some of the other benefits that those
2:54:22trees are providing to the wider
2:54:25community?
2:54:28>> Thank you. Um, as I indicated in my um
2:54:32um deputation, the both both the golf
2:54:36course and the zoo provide a great deal
2:54:40of canopy in terms of looking at the the
2:54:43canopy of the city of South Perth. They
2:54:46are quite intense green areas. So to
2:54:49lose
2:54:51um trees from those areas will detract
2:54:54from our overall canopy.
2:54:57Um
2:55:00I'm not sure um I mean I also mentioned
2:55:04in my um deputation that um the uh you
2:55:09know I regard the golf club as
2:55:10custodians of this wonderful green space
2:55:13there even though um I mean I I
2:55:16understand that the public can access it
2:55:18but the um public probably don't want to
2:55:21access it because of the risk of being
2:55:22hit by a golf ball. Um so it's it's
2:55:26something that you know we know is there
2:55:29and is providing this um sort of like
2:55:32you know rest bite for the eyes almost
2:55:35um for a um you know an otherwise very
2:55:38busy suburb.
2:55:42>> Thank you.
2:55:43>> Any further questions counselors?
2:55:46No. Thank you very much for your
2:55:47deputation, Miss David.
2:55:51I'd now like to invite Miss Heidi
2:55:53Schmidt of South Perth who is speaking
2:55:55against the notice of motion
2:55:57recommendation at item 12.1 and has
2:56:01requested to present on items 12.2,
2:56:0412.4, 12.5, 12.6, 12.9, and 12.3, 12.7,
2:56:11and 12.10. Uh, welcome to you, M.
2:56:14Schmidt. The microphone is yours, and we
2:56:16look forward to your deputation.
2:56:18>> Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Mayor,
2:56:22councilors. A special welcome to our new
2:56:25CEO
2:56:26and the city staff as well. I'm not
2:56:30precisely against, but rather takenback
2:56:34by the possible motivations
2:56:37for this plethora of motions.
2:56:41Our community regularly attends council
2:56:43briefing sessions and ordinary council
2:56:46meetings. We leave our loved ones at
2:56:48home and come here to witness the
2:56:53decisions made by our council that
2:56:55impact our daily lives. We do this
2:56:59because we care deeply about our
2:57:01neighborhoods, our environment, our
2:57:04heritage places, and our public open
2:57:07spaces. What we continue to seek is
2:57:10transparent good governance
2:57:14that serves the best interests of the
2:57:16whole community without bias, fear or
2:57:18favor. So firstly motions 12.1.2.4.5.6
2:57:26and.9.
2:57:29These motions refer to quote meaningful
2:57:32progress unquote that has not been made
2:57:35and concerns that matters have quote not
2:57:38being delivered by the date stated
2:57:41unquote. It's really important to
2:57:44acknowledge the challenges our cities
2:57:46faced this year.
2:57:48Significant executive and staff turnover
2:57:51have occurred, including no less than
2:57:55four CEOs.
2:57:58Just this year,
2:58:00staff are under pressure, including from
2:58:03additional council meeting tasks that
2:58:05could often be resolved through
2:58:07appropriate direct communication between
2:58:10counselors and staff.
2:58:13It is prudent to consider these
2:58:15realities when assessing progress and
2:58:19what progress is given the
2:58:21circumstances.
2:58:23Good relations between counselors are
2:58:25vital. Yes, all counselors are
2:58:28responsible for this. In fact, the
2:58:31council code of conduct requires
2:58:33fostering positive working relationships
2:58:36and the community is eager to see this
2:58:38reflected by all of our counselors.
2:58:41Ultimately,
2:58:43good governance, transparency,
2:58:46integrity, and accountability
2:58:49are what tr what builds trust both
2:58:52within the council, the city, and our
2:58:56community's views of our counselors.
2:59:03Motions 12.3.7
2:59:06and10.
2:59:09I note these motions have not been
2:59:12brought as a result of community
2:59:14concern.
2:59:16Motions regarding mayoral and some
2:59:18council expenses include just for
2:59:22example suggestion of a potential annual
2:59:25saving of around $175,000
2:59:28by removing the mayor's car. These costs
2:59:32are not however necessarily significant
2:59:36when you look at the bigger picture. For
2:59:39example, and to demonstrate by contrast,
2:59:43the Six Trees Affair, as it's become to
2:59:47be known, at Lake Douglas this year
2:59:50involved unbudgeted costs of
2:59:52approximately $40,000.
2:59:5610,000 for a public meeting that we
2:59:58needed and 30,000 for replanting that we
3:00:04didn't need because we already had six
3:00:06trees. This caused significant
3:00:09reputational harm to the city and
3:00:12council with ongoing negative media
3:00:16coverage of the affair.
3:00:19Close to 700 community members
3:00:22petitioned to save those six trees. And
3:00:24this was blatantly disregarded by those
3:00:27counselors who sought to serve only 12
3:00:29residents instead of the greater
3:00:32community of more than 47,000
3:00:36residents.
3:00:38This costing comparison highlights the
3:00:40importance of focusing on the bigger
3:00:43picture. That is ensuring that motions
3:00:47and the ensuing decisions by counselors
3:00:50reflect and advance the greater
3:00:52community's priorities and long-term
3:00:56value rather than short-term or narrowly
3:00:59focused outcomes that may benefit just a
3:01:03few residents or possibly fulfill
3:01:06personal aims.
3:01:09overall community concerns from the
3:01:11group that I am a member of, which is
3:01:14the City of South Perth Advocacy
3:01:16Network, commonly known as Co-Span,
3:01:21include that community members have
3:01:24expressed concern that a number of
3:01:26motions this year appear to cross
3:01:29directly into operational matters,
3:01:32putting the city staff under more
3:01:34pressure.
3:01:36These are obviously best managed by city
3:01:39staff who have significant expertise in
3:01:43their respective fields.
3:01:45Councilors certainly bring valuable
3:01:47skills but cannot be expected to be nor
3:01:52try to be experts in all areas of
3:01:56administration.
3:01:58Leave it to the people we employ to do
3:02:00that. Respecting and supporting our city
3:02:03staff and acknowledging their expertise
3:02:08helps ensure more timely, coste
3:02:10effective and efficient outcomes.
3:02:15Our community wants and deserves
3:02:18transparent governance that serves our
3:02:21community fairly without perceptions of
3:02:24favoritism.
3:02:26In closing, we ask that council focus on
3:02:31and work with integrity, accountability,
3:02:34and for the greater good of the entire
3:02:37community. Thank you.
3:02:40>> Thank you for your deputation, Miss
3:02:42Schmidt. Counselors, any questions for
3:02:44Miss Schmidt this evening?
3:02:47>> Councelor Raison,
3:02:49>> thank you for your deputation and thank
3:02:51you for your uh the work in your
3:02:52advocacy network. I just am interested
3:02:54with co-span. Do you have a a channel or
3:02:58way of communicating uh with the council
3:03:01or how how do you operate?
3:03:04>> So we are newly formed and are preparing
3:03:08to launch in around February
3:03:12as most community groups are. We're all
3:03:14volunteers. We have really busy lives
3:03:16and the time of year that we're all
3:03:18facing at the moment is horrendous. So,
3:03:20we will launch and we're looking to meet
3:03:23with counselors once we've done that.
3:03:27>> Thank you. And are you aware yet of what
3:03:29your community priorities are?
3:03:31>> We are developing our own pillars, our
3:03:35constitution, and our values. We have
3:03:38those in final draft form, but they're
3:03:40not ready to share yet.
3:03:42>> And is your group intended to cover the
3:03:45whole of the city of South P or a
3:03:47particular area? all seven suburbs
3:03:50equally. Thank you,
3:03:52>> Councelor Heling.
3:03:53>> Thank you. If I may follow on, how many
3:03:55members do you have at the present of
3:03:57that group?
3:03:58>> We are not yet incorporated. So,
3:04:01technically the members are a loose
3:04:03affiliate at this point. So, we can't
3:04:05state a number yet.
3:04:09>> Right. And uh just following on from my
3:04:11friends, um councelor Rosison, she asked
3:04:15you what your objectives would be. I
3:04:16notice on seven occasions over the last
3:04:18two years you've addressed council in
3:04:20respect of heritage trees and open
3:04:22spaces. Would that be what you would
3:04:25look to focus on? Those addresses have
3:04:28not been as co-span they have been as me
3:04:32and this evening I'm speaking as co-span
3:04:37and if I can last uh last question um
3:04:40you identified uh those really important
3:04:43matters that we should focus on uh
3:04:45heritage trees and open spaces do you
3:04:47see any other things that council should
3:04:49be busy with? Well, clearly my address
3:04:51this evening is for good governance in
3:04:54its overview.
3:04:57>> I I did not address
3:05:01trees per se this evening. I have
3:05:04addressed good governance for all.
3:05:06>> Just last question if I may. Um what
3:05:09expertise have you got within the field
3:05:11of governance to address us on?
3:05:14>> I do not think that is an appropriate
3:05:16question for me.
3:05:18>> Thank you.
3:05:19This is not a courtroom. I'm a member of
3:05:21the community who's volunteering my
3:05:24time. Thank you.
3:05:26>> Any further questions from the Schmidt
3:05:28counselors?
3:05:30>> No. Thank you very much for your
3:05:32deputation.
3:05:32>> Thank you for your time.
3:05:35>> Now, councilors, that's the end of the
3:05:37deputations uh and the end of item
3:05:40eight. I'm conscious that we've been at
3:05:42it for uh for 2 hours and uh what's
3:05:44about to be 42 minutes. I'm going to
3:05:47call a 10-minute recess to allow people
3:05:49to use the facilities if they need to.
3:05:52I'll see you all back here at 8:52 p.m.
3:08:22Ooh.
3:08:52Yeah,
3:09:12down.
3:12:58Heat. Heat.
3:13:45Hey,
3:13:49hey, hey. Heat. Heat. N.
3:14:16Heat. Heat.
3:14:23Heat. Heat. N.
3:14:59Heat. Heat.
3:15:01Heat. Heat.
3:15:56Uh so we've we finished off item eight.
3:15:58Welcome back everyone. We're on to item
3:16:0110 now. Uh so that's the draft December
3:16:04reports. I'll now hand you over to the
3:16:06chief executive officer, Miss Liz
3:16:08Ledger, to take you through the balance
3:16:10of the draft December reports.
3:16:15>> Thank you very much, Mayor.
3:16:18Agenda item 10.1.1 Challenger reserve
3:16:21concept design master plan project
3:16:23update. This report provides the
3:16:25outcomes on the revised challenger
3:16:26reserve concept design master plan
3:16:28including costings and the outcomes of
3:16:29the stakeholder engagement as required
3:16:31by the council decision and its meeting
3:16:33held in May 2025.
3:16:37>> Council any questions for the
3:16:38administration? Councelor Duza.
3:16:40>> Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. Um so this this
3:16:43matter has I guess um sort of since 22
3:16:46gone from about 10 mil to 37 mil and the
3:16:50introduction of um the second story and
3:16:53the sort of site uh constraints were a
3:16:56surprise to me. Um, is it possible for
3:16:59council to be presented um either
3:17:00through a briefing or through a workshop
3:17:02with um breakdowns as to what specific
3:17:05um amount of this cost increase is
3:17:07allocated to the sort of second story
3:17:10and to the the revised site footprint?
3:17:14>> Who should I send that to? More.
3:17:19>> Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. Um in response
3:17:21to the question there is an attachment
3:17:23that includes cost estimates which is
3:17:26has further um breakdown of the
3:17:28different elements of the um the
3:17:30proposal. Just in respect to um the
3:17:34costs themselves um just for
3:17:36clarification the previous estimate of
3:17:38the $7.2 $2 million was based on the
3:17:41assumption um that was provided in the
3:17:44con uh sorry in the um the report in May
3:17:472025
3:17:49um where we looked at a colllocated
3:17:51facility. The costing associated with
3:17:54that was previously $2,048
3:17:56per square meter which was based on some
3:17:59cost estimates that we had um for the
3:18:01Collia Park Golf Course redevelopment at
3:18:03that point in time. Um the if you were
3:18:06to look at just the essential components
3:18:08of a multi-purpose building in today's
3:18:10cost, the equivalent is the $10.9
3:18:13million which is on the assumption of
3:18:15the $2,981
3:18:18square meter rate. So the overall cost
3:18:21of the proposal includes all of those
3:18:24elements. Um, so I can provide further
3:18:27breakdown if you like in terms of the
3:18:29different discretionary components, but
3:18:30there is a difference between the
3:18:32overall cost of delivering the entire
3:18:34master plan and if you were to only
3:18:36include certain components of the master
3:18:39plan. Our recommendation would be that
3:18:42council would not look at portions of
3:18:44the building in isolation because the
3:18:47intent would be to deliver a master plan
3:18:49and that's why the recommendation has
3:18:52included that all of those elements be
3:18:53considered as part of future budget
3:18:55workshops.
3:18:57>> Thank you Miss Shaw Councelor Pendle.
3:19:01>> Thank you through the mayor. Um within
3:19:03the current off officer recommendation
3:19:06is there opportunity to investigate
3:19:08scope options or is it really just
3:19:12presenting funding options for whole or
3:19:14parts of
3:19:16>> Michelle?
3:19:18>> Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. If elected
3:19:21members were seeking to have a revised
3:19:23design prepared that included a
3:19:25different option, the consultant had
3:19:28advised that the likely cost for that
3:19:29would be between $50 and $60,000,
3:19:32but that did also include further
3:19:35engagement. So, broader community
3:19:36engagement. Um, so we could uh receive
3:19:40some further cost estimates for that
3:19:42depending on the nature and scale of
3:19:43what type of specifications council was
3:19:46potentially looking for. Um I would
3:19:49advise against a specific um cost
3:19:51limitation. Um we could further leazers
3:19:55with the clubs in terms of what items
3:19:56they could consider to be appropriate or
3:19:58not or consider matters such as the
3:20:00footprint of the building and removal of
3:20:03trees which was a site constraint.
3:20:06But the proposal that was presented and
3:20:09the engagement that was undertaken with
3:20:11the club was based on um the previous
3:20:14needs analysis and it was based on the
3:20:17conversation with the clubs around what
3:20:18their future needs for that facility
3:20:20might also be not just the current user
3:20:23requirements which is equated in the
3:20:25additional floor area.
3:20:28>> Thank you Miss Shaw. Councelor Russell.
3:20:31>> Uh yes thank you. So, notwithstanding
3:20:34the costs the costs that are presented
3:20:36in this item tonight, is there any
3:20:38capital funding of the Challenger
3:20:40reserve redevelopment in the long-term
3:20:42financial plan? And if so, when is that?
3:20:49>> Miss Ledger.
3:20:52>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um we have a in
3:20:55the long-term financial plan uh an
3:20:57amount of 10 million for 20 uh 26 to 27
3:21:02and the sub and subsequent years. So
3:21:05that can be drawn on for this particular
3:21:07project.
3:21:09>> Okay. And that 10 million was to come
3:21:11from what was the source of that
3:21:13funding? Was that purely from the
3:21:14reserve or Yep. Okay.
3:21:17>> Yes, it is.
3:21:18>> Okay.
3:21:19>> Any further questions for the
3:21:20administration councilors? Council Lee.
3:21:24>> Um, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um can you um
3:21:28advise me whether there is any
3:21:30information at all from the state or
3:21:33federal government as to when uh grant
3:21:36or funding um opportunities might become
3:21:38available again
3:21:41>> through the mayor um council le we have
3:21:43no information as to the return of CSRF
3:21:47um or any federal funding or state
3:21:49funding in addition to that.
3:21:53>> Any further questions for the
3:21:54administration on this item? Councelor
3:21:56Raison.
3:21:57>> Thank you through you, Mr. Mayor. On
3:22:00page 20 of 28 of the master plan report,
3:22:06it says the quickest and least cost
3:22:09option would be to build the new
3:22:10multi-purpose building and all elements
3:22:12at once. However, there would be
3:22:15considerable disruption to reserve
3:22:16users, especially bowls.
3:22:20Is it possible for us to at least
3:22:24receive a high level overview of what
3:22:27that actually means? The quickest and
3:22:29least cost option because we do have an
3:22:33over supply of bowls as we've discussed
3:22:35before in the city. We're fortunate uh
3:22:37to have a lot of history there. And I
3:22:40was just wondering about the ability of
3:22:41people playing bowls to be hosted at
3:22:43other clubs. Uh but the question is
3:22:47could we please be provided with what is
3:22:49the quickest and least cost option
3:22:52>> through the mayor councelor Raison. Um I
3:22:54will say that um I believe the quickest
3:22:57option is to to get the works undertaken
3:22:59at once because otherwise you're doing
3:23:01stages which always cost it's basically
3:23:03getting construction on getting one
3:23:04project done. So that's what cost
3:23:07efficiency would would be that we're
3:23:09referring to. I'll just refer to
3:23:11director of development community
3:23:12services to confirm.
3:23:14>> Uh thank you Miss May. Yes, that's
3:23:16correct. Um in conversations with the BS
3:23:18club during um the engagement period,
3:23:22our understanding would was that they
3:23:24were um hoping to stay on the site um as
3:23:27long as possible and not necessarily
3:23:30need to relocate.
3:23:32the the design of the building itself
3:23:34and the retention of the trees um meant
3:23:36that the the location of the turfs
3:23:39themselves also needed to change on the
3:23:42site which um is ideal in the sense that
3:23:46you could stage those works such that
3:23:48bowls could continue to be played on the
3:23:50site but obviously then adds to the cost
3:23:52element because you're moving the
3:23:54location of the synthetic green.
3:23:58>> Thank you. Thank you. And is it possible
3:24:01for us to ask CCS strategic to provide
3:24:05what at as a ballpark figure what that
3:24:08quickest and least cost option would be?
3:24:10>> Yes, we can do that councelor Razon.
3:24:12Thank you.
3:24:13>> Thank you. And uh this is a question
3:24:15that I did uh send through earlier about
3:24:18it the projected annual service and
3:24:20maintenance costs for the reserve so
3:24:23that we can understand holistically the
3:24:25cost of the project going forward.
3:24:27Uh that has a lot of elements councelor
3:24:29Raison on that we'd have to look at. We
3:24:31could predict an amount for you. Um but
3:24:33it would not be as accurate as I would
3:24:34like given that we don't know um what
3:24:37sort of club usage and leasing and
3:24:40things like that. So there might be a
3:24:42whole lot of elements we'd have to look
3:24:43at but we can provide our best cost
3:24:44estimate.
3:24:45>> Thank you.
3:24:45>> You're welcome.
3:24:47>> Councelor Russell.
3:24:48>> Uh yes. Thank you. So just referring
3:24:50back to the LTFP. So there is a quite a
3:24:52large capital outlay u or out of the
3:24:55ordinary outlay in the years or 3 years
3:24:57beginning financial year 20 29 and since
3:25:00it's not for this development what is
3:25:03that for
3:25:06and and by the way that does come out of
3:25:08reserves as well
3:25:10>> Mr. Lock or Miss Ledger I can pass to
3:25:14Mr. Lock. Thank you M.
3:25:21I'm happy to take that on notice.
3:25:24>> That was for the um I just needed to
3:25:27refresh my memory, but that was for the
3:25:30George Bernett
3:25:32proposed development on that site.
3:25:35>> Right. Okay. Thank you,
3:25:38>> Councelor Hingling.
3:25:40>> Um thank you, Mr. Mayor. And uh I do uh
3:25:42appreciate the officer recommendation
3:25:44that's been put there. I think it
3:25:46captures rather nicely some of the
3:25:48discussions that we had held within a
3:25:49workshop on this. Um and I take it that
3:25:52what it means when it says whole and
3:25:55parts that a little bit like um Ms. or
3:25:59addressed us on tonight. Uh we might be
3:26:01able to consider whether or not we go
3:26:03double story or leave the um club uh
3:26:08sorry the bridge club where it's
3:26:10presently located so that we can almost
3:26:13mix and match uh in the way within which
3:26:16we approach it. Is that what that what
3:26:18that means?
3:26:20>> Yes, it is councelor Hing. Thank you
3:26:22>> and thank you very much for that. I
3:26:23appreciate the recommendation.
3:26:26>> Any further questions councilors?
3:26:28Councelor Brenda Brandis.
3:26:29>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. And this
3:26:31actually is a question following on from
3:26:33councelor Howling. Um, with regard to
3:26:36the Bridge Club, are they um quite happy
3:26:40remaining in their location or was this
3:26:42proposal something that um was so
3:26:46compelling for them to actually move?
3:26:49>> Pass it to the director of community
3:26:51services. Thank you,
3:26:52>> Michelle.
3:26:53>> Thank you, Mr. Man. I am conscious that
3:26:55we do have some members of the bridge
3:26:56club in the audience tonight. Um my
3:26:59understanding is that the current site
3:27:00for the bridge club is otherwise fit for
3:27:02purpose with the exception of um some
3:27:05roof issues that need to be fixed. Um
3:27:07but other than that um and they would
3:27:10prefer an additional training area in
3:27:12the current site. Um but other other
3:27:14than that their site is still fit for
3:27:16purpose for bridge.
3:27:19>> Any further questions councilors?
3:27:21Councelor Lee.
3:27:23Thank you, Mr. May. Um, just following
3:27:25on from that question, I know uh that
3:27:28the bowling club um sorry, the bridge
3:27:31club is um necessitating the need for
3:27:34substantial number of car parking bays
3:27:36on the site. Uh I think it's about 80,
3:27:40I'm not sure if that's right. Um, has
3:27:42there been any um, traffic assessment,
3:27:45impact assessment done at this point or
3:27:47is it too early to because I noted that
3:27:50some of the submissions
3:27:52on the proposal talked about traffic and
3:27:56parking issues. I'm not sure how many
3:27:58I've actually asked that question um
3:28:01during the week. Um, I don't know if
3:28:03that was a significant concern of local
3:28:06residents, but I'm just wondering um
3:28:09whether there's been any assessment of
3:28:11that and the positive outcomes of not
3:28:14having um those 80 additional bays and
3:28:17what that would do traffic and parking
3:28:19in the area.
3:28:20>> Michelaw.
3:28:22>> Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. So in response
3:28:24to the amount of times that traffic came
3:28:26up as um an issue during submissions,
3:28:29we'd counted um 10 in relation to
3:28:31parking um within Challenger Reserve and
3:28:3416 related to on street parking bays. So
3:28:38the concern was more about whether the
3:28:40car parking would spill onto adjacent
3:28:42local streets rather than the volume of
3:28:44traffic itself. When we look at um
3:28:47traffic movements associated with the
3:28:49volume of cars anticipated by the
3:28:51development, we know without a traffic
3:28:54impact assessment that it would be
3:28:56within the capacity of the existing road
3:28:58neck to accommodate given the local
3:29:00roads are around 3,000 vehicle movements
3:29:03per day and Elderfield is up to 6,000
3:29:06vehicle movements per day. However,
3:29:08there was no traffic impact assessment
3:29:10undertaken given this is only at concept
3:29:12design stage. So typically that body of
3:29:15work would occur once you get into more
3:29:16detailed planning.
3:29:18>> Thank you. I understand that. Yeah.
3:29:20>> Councelor Russell, did I see your hand
3:29:22go up there?
3:29:23>> Yes. Thank you. So um with regard to the
3:29:25Manning uh bowling club, is there any
3:29:27part of that asset uh including the
3:29:30rinks uh which are not fit for purpose
3:29:33currently and won't be fit for purpose
3:29:35in the near future or even into a medium
3:29:37future?
3:29:39>> Michelle.
3:29:40>> Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. If I can
3:29:42actually take that question on notice so
3:29:44I can find out the exact timing of asset
3:29:46replacement requirements that would be
3:29:48appreciated.
3:29:50>> Um and just to follow on so if the rinks
3:29:52were kept in their current configuration
3:29:55is it still possible to have this truss
3:29:58canopy retrofitted
3:30:01the shade sale I guess.
3:30:04>> Michelle
3:30:05>> is there is there sufficient footprint
3:30:07for the um for the columns I guess.
3:30:10>> Thank you. Yes. My understanding that
3:30:12was that it was designed with that in
3:30:14mind with the 40 by 40 so they could be
3:30:16engineered over at a later date.
3:30:18>> I'm sorry. I mean the current the
3:30:20current rinks, not a f not the future
3:30:22rinks.
3:30:22>> So do you mean in terms of providing
3:30:24those structures with the current
3:30:25configuration?
3:30:26>> That's correct.
3:30:27>> Yes, they could be installed.
3:30:30>> Councelor Prenville, I saw your hand go
3:30:32up.
3:30:33>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just want a
3:30:35little bit of clarification around my
3:30:37previous question and then the question
3:30:38councelor Howling asked around the
3:30:41budget process that we will discuss this
3:30:45in. He talked about um being able to
3:30:49discuss things like taking the second
3:30:51story off and that kind of thing which
3:30:52seems quite specific. If we do do that,
3:30:56are we um at that point needing to
3:30:59implement the 50 or $60,000
3:31:02that we um that Miss Shaw spoke about in
3:31:06terms of revising that sort of design
3:31:08and looking at the options?
3:31:10>> Mich.
3:31:14>> Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. So the $50 to
3:31:16$60,000 was the equivalent of if we were
3:31:19to go back and engage with the clubs,
3:31:21have the architect prepare a revised
3:31:23plan and have the quantity surveyor
3:31:25provide revised cost estimates. It's
3:31:27effectively undertaking the same
3:31:29exercise again just with parameters
3:31:31prescribed. Um, in terms of the budget
3:31:34um, estimates, given we do have cost
3:31:36estimates, we could give highlevel
3:31:38figures if you were to delete certain
3:31:40components of the building which then
3:31:42may give council more of an idea about
3:31:44whether it would like to spend further
3:31:46money to investigate a revised design
3:31:48with the architect.
3:31:50>> Thank you, Miss Shaw. Councelor
3:31:52Prenville,
3:31:53>> sorry, one last question. um through the
3:31:55whole process that got to here um was
3:31:58there any sort of budget considerations
3:32:00discussed with the architect for this
3:32:02master plan?
3:32:04>> Mich.
3:32:06>> Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. So there was an
3:32:09allocation provided in the report from
3:32:12um May which was I believe $350,000.
3:32:16um the cost of um the architect and the
3:32:19QS fees were included in engaging the
3:32:22overall consultant which I think was
3:32:23around $63,000.
3:32:26So
3:32:26>> for the whole project
3:32:27>> for the whole project.
3:32:28>> Sorry.
3:32:29>> Sorry. I meant um was the budget for the
3:32:33entire project like talked about before
3:32:35the master plan or was that was was the
3:32:38parameters given to the architect and
3:32:40then the figure popped out at the end or
3:32:42was there dollars sort of talked about
3:32:45with the architect?
3:32:46>> Yeah, thank you Mr. D. Um the no it was
3:32:50um consultation with the clubs in the
3:32:52first instance. The brief that was
3:32:54provided was to look at the option that
3:32:56was presented and agreed by council at
3:32:58the May meeting which was retention of
3:33:01the tennis club with enhancements and
3:33:03the creation of a colllocated facility
3:33:06to include um complimentary potential
3:33:09users to the site which was the bridge
3:33:11club um and that the the building itself
3:33:15would meet for the current and
3:33:16foreseeable future requirements of those
3:33:19clubs. So on that basis when we engage
3:33:22with the different user groups we
3:33:24requested that they provide information
3:33:26as to what their square meter
3:33:27requirements would be number of car
3:33:29parking bays for current users and the
3:33:31like. We then collected all of that
3:33:33information and then provided it to the
3:33:35architect um to come up with a brief
3:33:38that was that design was then costed and
3:33:40reviewed by the quantity surveyor which
3:33:42has come up with the estimates.
3:33:45>> Thank you Miss Shaw. Any further
3:33:46questions on this item councilors?
3:33:48Councelor Lee.
3:33:51>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, so I'm just a
3:33:54little confused. Um,
3:33:56in the uh December 2024
3:34:01when uh the options were considered, the
3:34:04figure for option for colllocated
3:34:07facility was 7.2 million.
3:34:10Um, and we've now obviously gone way
3:34:12past that. Um, is that
3:34:16I mean was was the architect aware of
3:34:18that figure that we had before we had or
3:34:22the council at that time had been
3:34:24provided and is the increase in um cost
3:34:31because of the scale scale of the or the
3:34:35rescoping of the proposal or is it
3:34:37because of um increased construction
3:34:40costs or is it a combination of the two?
3:34:42And if you got any, you know, I'm I'm
3:34:45just confused why. Is it just because of
3:34:47construction costs going up that the
3:34:49price has gone up so much or we just
3:34:51really expanded the scope substantially?
3:34:56>> Mich.
3:34:57>> Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. There's a few
3:34:59elements that would go into that. First
3:35:01of all, the assumption on the
3:35:03construction cost at that point in time
3:35:05was based on $2,048 per square meter.
3:35:08And that was a figure that we had um
3:35:11available from the Collier Park Golf
3:35:12Course in terms of what it may cost to
3:35:14do this type of redevelopment. Um the
3:35:17quantity surveyor has used a figure of
3:35:19$2,981
3:35:21per square meter. So which is more
3:35:23expensive and obviously reflective of
3:35:25the the time that's elapsed since the
3:35:27original figure was provided. Um in
3:35:30terms of the facility itself um the
3:35:33previous square meterage of the
3:35:35colllocated facil facility was around
3:35:383,500
3:35:40whereas the current square meter is
3:35:41around 3,600 odd. Um and it's also over
3:35:45two levels which adds to the
3:35:46construction cost as well. Um we have
3:35:49seen construction costs escalate across
3:35:51the board in general. Anyway, um the
3:35:54$7.2 2 million that was cited in the
3:35:57previous May report around what the
3:36:00building would be. That was for the
3:36:02colllocated building itself and didn't
3:36:04include the additional elements that
3:36:06were otherwise included in the total
3:36:09figure for this plan that you've cited
3:36:11before. So for example, the 7.2 would be
3:36:14the building, not the development of all
3:36:16the synthetic turfs, the car parking,
3:36:18etc. So that equates for the additional
3:36:20cost.
3:36:21>> Okay. Thank you.
3:36:23>> Thank you, Miss Shaw. Any further
3:36:24questions, councilors?
3:36:27No. Next item, please. Miss Ledger.
3:36:31>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Item 10.3.1,
3:36:34South Perth Community Benefits
3:36:35Framework. This report is for council to
3:36:37note the annual review of the South
3:36:38Perth Activity Center Plan, Community
3:36:40Benefit Contribution Framework.
3:36:43>> Any questions on this item, councilors?
3:36:45I think councelor Russell was first.
3:36:49>> Uh, thank you. Um, so I understand that
3:36:51the um I understand that um uh from the
3:36:56report that the WAPC is the the ultimate
3:36:59or the final approval body. Is that
3:37:01correct?
3:37:03>> Michelle.
3:37:05>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The West
3:37:06Australian Planning Commission is
3:37:08responsible for approving all amendments
3:37:10um or new structure plans. The community
3:37:13benefits contribution framework forms
3:37:15part of the South Perth activity center
3:37:17structure plan and therefore amendments
3:37:19to that document requires WAPC approval.
3:37:23>> Okay. Can you just please explain the
3:37:25process? Is it so we send the amendments
3:37:27to them? Is it just a unidirectional
3:37:29flow of communication? They look at that
3:37:32they accept it or not. They make
3:37:34amendments. Does it come back to
3:37:36council? What's what's the go? Michelle.
3:37:40>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, typically
3:37:42what would happen was that council would
3:37:44endorse um an amended structure plan and
3:37:47provide a recommendation to the West
3:37:48Australian Planning Commission. There
3:37:50are typically advertising requirements
3:37:52with amending a structure plan. However,
3:37:54the WAPC may wave the requirement to
3:37:57advertise if it considers that the
3:37:58amendment is minor in nature. So, that's
3:38:01at their discretion. Um, if advertising
3:38:04is required, I think from memory it's 42
3:38:06days, it would then come back for
3:38:08council to make its formal
3:38:09recommendation to the WAPC about the
3:38:11change. That's then provided to the WAPC
3:38:14for their consideration. It is open to
3:38:16the WAPC as part of that process to
3:38:19focus on the recommendation from council
3:38:22or make any other changes it considers
3:38:25appropriate at that point in time.
3:38:28>> Any further questions? Councilors C.
3:38:30Yeah, Councelor Lee. Uh
3:38:34>> um I was Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh I was
3:38:37just wondering uh does the city
3:38:39anticipate any community benefit
3:38:41contributions being made in the next 12
3:38:43months based on approvals and building
3:38:45works that are in the pipeline?
3:38:47>> Michelle,
3:38:49>> thank you, Mr. Mayor. No, we don't. And
3:38:51the reason being is we're not
3:38:52anticipating um any developments to be
3:38:55completed in the next 12 months. Um and
3:38:58the contribution is payable on
3:38:59completion of the development.
3:39:01>> Thank you.
3:39:02>> Any further questions, councilors?
3:39:04Councelor Russell.
3:39:05>> Yes. Uh excuse me. Um if because I don't
3:39:08know this, but have we got a specific
3:39:10reserve for the um the collection of
3:39:12these monies?
3:39:14>> Miss Shaw or Mr. Lock?
3:39:21>> We take that question on notice and get
3:39:23back. Thank you. Any further questions
3:39:26on this item, councilors?
3:39:28>> No. Okay.
3:39:29>> Sorry.
3:39:30>> Councelor Hing,
3:39:32>> I appreciate the question of um
3:39:34councelor Lees. I'd like to know uh in
3:39:37relation to how we will fund the
3:39:40priorities found within appendix one. Um
3:39:43and the second question, if I could just
3:39:46ask that to be considered and maybe it's
3:39:47taken on notice. Why was the civic heart
3:39:51development not uh funds which were
3:39:53received not spent on um a larger number
3:39:57of the priorities that were identified
3:39:59or perhaps even the more urgent
3:40:01priorities and how was that assessed?
3:40:04>> Who should I send that to folks?
3:40:07Michelle.
3:40:08>> Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. I will take the
3:40:10first part of the question on notice and
3:40:12provide more comprehensive response to
3:40:14elected members in response to the civic
3:40:17heart development. um the then minister
3:40:19for planning at the time um amended the
3:40:22condition on that determination which
3:40:24was called in by the minister um and
3:40:26provided the requirements of that
3:40:28condition. So that quasi contribution
3:40:31did enact in the same way you would
3:40:33typically receive a contribution.
3:40:35>> Thank you.
3:40:37>> Any further questions counselors?
3:40:40>> No. Next item please, Miss Ledger.
3:40:43>> Item 10.3.2 Two, proposed change of use
3:40:46multiple dwelling to unhosted short-term
3:40:48rental accommodation, lot 10, number
3:40:50two, 19 Bowman Street, South Perth. The
3:40:52purpose of this report is to consider an
3:40:54application for development approval for
3:40:56a change of use from multiple dwelling
3:40:57to unhosted short-term rental
3:40:59accommodation on lot 10, number two, 19
3:41:01Bowman Street, South Perth. The item is
3:41:03referred to council given the impact of
3:41:05the proposal on the general amenity of
3:41:07the area. For the reasons outlined in
3:41:08the report, it is recommended that the
3:41:10application be approved subject to
3:41:11conditions. Any questions for the
3:41:15administration on this item? Councilors?
3:41:18Councelor Le.
3:41:20>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I was just
3:41:22wondering how long uh the unhosted
3:41:26short-term accommodation has been
3:41:28operating and if there's any uh as far
3:41:31as we know and if there's any uh history
3:41:33of complaints to date.
3:41:36>> Mich.
3:41:38>> Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. The property
3:41:40was first listed from our records um
3:41:43with the platform in February 2025,
3:41:46but it was registered with the
3:41:48Department of Energy, Mines, Industry,
3:41:50Regulation, and Safety in January 2025.
3:41:54Um the city contacted the owner of the
3:41:56property in March 2025 after becoming
3:42:00aware uh that from demer that they were
3:42:03operating beyond the 90-day booking
3:42:06limit that would otherwise trigger the
3:42:07need for a development approval. Um so I
3:42:10would suggest based on that information
3:42:11that they would have been operating
3:42:13since either January or February this
3:42:15year.
3:42:17And in terms of complaints, are we aware
3:42:19of any? Oh, sorry. Um, no, the city is
3:42:23not aware of any complaints that had
3:42:25been received um from residents in the
3:42:26building. However, on advertising this
3:42:29application, there were objections
3:42:30received.
3:42:32>> Thank you.
3:42:33>> Any further questions, councilors?
3:42:36Councelor Reszel.
3:42:38>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. There just a few
3:42:39questions that I had already put uh to
3:42:41the administration, but I thought just
3:42:43for everybody's benefit, I'll just
3:42:45quickly run through them because some of
3:42:47the diagrams weren't sort of so clear to
3:42:49me. uh the level that this unit is on
3:42:52and how many units join unit two.
3:42:57>> Michelle,
3:42:59>> thank you Mr. Mayor. Um yes, I agree
3:43:01with the strata plan itself. The strata
3:43:03plan identifies the unit as being on the
3:43:05second floor. Um although there are
3:43:07ground and first floors on the site, but
3:43:09it is shown as the second floor on the
3:43:11plans. Um on this level there's one unit
3:43:15um adjacent this unit and a store area.
3:43:21Thank you. And uh seem to be a bit of
3:43:23discrepancy between the check-in time
3:43:26where there is at 3 p.m. which is as it
3:43:28was in the covering notes uh but the
3:43:30management uh plan seemed to say after 3
3:43:34p.m. and same with the check out time.
3:43:37Mich. Uh,
3:43:39>> thank you, Mr. Mayor. The check-in time
3:43:41is from 300 p.m. The checkout time is by
3:43:4510:00 a.m. unless there's a prior
3:43:47arrangement between the operator.
3:43:51>> Councelor Russell.
3:43:52>> Yes, thank you. Uh, just a general
3:43:54question really regarding unhosted
3:43:57short-term accommodation. So, um, if
3:43:59there's a complaint to the police, um,
3:44:02stemming from that facility, does that
3:44:05get referred to the city and therefore
3:44:07go on to the city statistics?
3:44:10>> Michelle,
3:44:11>> thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, no, it
3:44:14doesn't. typically where we will receive
3:44:16the complaints directly from the city.
3:44:18Um and we would then make a request to
3:44:21the department that they cancel the
3:44:23registration if there are substantiated
3:44:25complaints or if they are operating
3:44:27without approval when approval is
3:44:29required.
3:44:32>> Any further questions councilors?
3:44:34Councelor Howing
3:44:35>> and uh thank you Mr. Mayor. Can I just
3:44:37ask following a little bit along with
3:44:39what was just asked,
3:44:42uh, a number of people objected who were
3:44:44living in the complex in so far as this
3:44:47may be a a breach of the required strata
3:44:51rules. Uh, nevertheless, the grant of an
3:44:54approval is not prohibited or prevented
3:44:56by that. Um, and therefore, if this
3:45:00development can't be carried out under
3:45:02the provisions of the strata rules, that
3:45:04would need to be dealt with separately,
3:45:05won't it?
3:45:07Michelle.
3:45:08>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yes, that's
3:45:10correct. If council was to resolve to
3:45:12refuse to grant development approval,
3:45:14the city would also request that the
3:45:16registration is cancelled.
3:45:20>> Any further questions, councilors?
3:45:23No. Next item, please. Miss Ledger.
3:45:26>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Item 10.4.1, City
3:45:29of South Perth Cats Amendment Local Law
3:45:312025. The purpose of this report is for
3:45:33council to consider making the cats
3:45:35amendment local law 2025. The purpose of
3:45:38this local law is to amend the existing
3:45:40cats local law 2024 in line with the
3:45:42undertakings provided to the joint
3:45:44standing committee on delegated
3:45:45legislation by council at its meeting
3:45:47held 24th of June 2025. The effect of
3:45:50this local law is to ensure responsible
3:45:52cat ownership within the district aligns
3:45:54with the requirements of the cat act of
3:45:562011.
3:45:58>> Thank you Miss Ledger. Councilors, any
3:46:00questions on this item?
3:46:03No. Next item, please. Miss Ledger.
3:46:06>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Item 10.4.2, City
3:46:09of South Path Fencing Amendment, local
3:46:10law 2025. The purpose of this report is
3:46:13for council to consider making the
3:46:14fencing amendment local law 2025. The
3:46:17purpose of this local law is to amend
3:46:19the existing fencing local law 2024 in
3:46:21line with the undertakings provided to
3:46:23the joint standing committee on
3:46:24delegated legislation by council at its
3:46:26meeting held 24th of June 2025. The
3:46:29effect of this local law is to establish
3:46:31the minimum requirements for fencing
3:46:32within the district.
3:46:34>> Thank you, Miss Ledger. Councilors, any
3:46:36questions?
3:46:38>> No. Next item, please, Miss Ledger.
3:46:41>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Item 10.4.3, Royal
3:46:43Perth Golf Club, proposed stage three
3:46:45works. This report represents, excuse
3:46:47me, presents proposed stage three works
3:46:49on Crown Reserve 10250 by the Royal
3:46:52Perth Golf Club for council to consider
3:46:54approving as required by the lease.
3:46:56Councilors, any questions? Councelor
3:46:59Russell.
3:47:00>> Um, thank you. I've got a few actually.
3:47:02Um, so the city has noted um that has
3:47:06it's been granted a management order uh
3:47:08over the Royal Perf Golf Club uh for the
3:47:10purpose of public recreation. Uh if I
3:47:13refer to policy P206 urban forest uh it
3:47:17states this policy is concerned with the
3:47:19management of trees on land under the
3:47:21care and control of the city. So my
3:47:23question is, is is care and control of
3:47:28land the same as management of land and
3:47:31therefore is this policy valid?
3:47:35>> Should I send that to Miss Am Primo or
3:47:37Miss Shaw?
3:47:43>> Miss Ledger.
3:47:43>> Mr. Mayor, if I could take that um
3:47:45question on notice, councelor Russell.
3:47:46Thank you.
3:47:47>> Sure. Um may I continue? Okay. Um so
3:47:51following on from the department of
3:47:54planning local or whatever it is advice
3:47:57could the city advise where exactly uh
3:47:59within the legislation the only
3:48:01development of sign significance that
3:48:03has a regional implication requires a DA
3:48:07>> Mich.
3:48:09>> Uh thank you Mr. May. Um if I can take
3:48:12that on notice to provide a more
3:48:13comprehensive response. Um but one
3:48:15comment I would like to make is that
3:48:17effectively the advice was sought of the
3:48:20department who are ultimately be
3:48:21responsible for determining development
3:48:24applications on holy reserved land.
3:48:26>> And so if for example the city was to
3:48:28then turn around and say no you must
3:48:30have a development application because
3:48:32in our opinion we think it is not
3:48:34dimminimous
3:48:36>> that application could potentially be
3:48:38lodged. It would then be referred to the
3:48:40department for their consideration. We
3:48:42would then provide our comments in
3:48:44relation to that application, but they
3:48:46could then turn around and say that they
3:48:48would not consider the application
3:48:49because they didn't think it's
3:48:50warranted. So, which is effectively why
3:48:53you would seek the advice in the first
3:48:54instance from the department as to
3:48:56whether or not they would like to accept
3:48:58the development application for that
3:49:01given they're responsible for making
3:49:02determinations under um regional
3:49:05reserved land.
3:49:06>> Okay. Um or regardless, are we able to
3:49:09see that advice that um Okay, thank you.
3:49:16>> Any further questions? Councilors,
3:49:18I think councelor Brenda Brandis was
3:49:20first there.
3:49:22>> Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor.
3:49:25Did the um city discuss with the Royal
3:49:28Perth Golf Club um a fauna study um
3:49:32given the fact that um it's a
3:49:34significant area with regard to psums as
3:49:36we've heard tonight but also cockatos
3:49:38and other bird life and would would that
3:49:42have been something that the Royal Perth
3:49:43Gold Club would have entertained?
3:49:46>> M primmer.
3:49:48>> Yeah, thank you Mr. Mayor. So there was
3:49:50no discussion relating to a for survey.
3:49:55>> Oops. Councelor Brenda Brandis.
3:49:57>> Thank you, Mr. Amri. Thank you, Mr.
3:49:58Mayor. Um, with regard to the proposal
3:50:02um for the trees that have been
3:50:03identified in the 240 odd for planting.
3:50:07Um, did we have any discussions with
3:50:09regard to whether that would be a
3:50:11sufficient immediate food source for um
3:50:14the foreigner in the area?
3:50:16>> Mimmer.
3:50:18>> Um, yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, so the
3:50:20city recognizes that um removing mature
3:50:23or semi-mature trees and replacing them
3:50:25with young trees does mean that that
3:50:28food source is impacted in the shorter
3:50:30term um where those mature trees provide
3:50:33a food source. Um so at no point have we
3:50:36suggested that it doesn't remove that
3:50:39food source.
3:50:41>> Councelor Brenda Bradis.
3:50:42>> Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. Thank you M
3:50:44Primo. Um with regard to the loss of um
3:50:48food source specifically for the
3:50:51carnabies and also the forest red tails,
3:50:55do we need to get any other approval
3:50:57with regard to that? Does this does this
3:50:58need federal approval, environmental
3:51:00approval?
3:51:03>> M prima or Miss Shaw?
3:51:06M sure.
3:51:07>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Under the federal
3:51:09legislation for um the habitat, it's the
3:51:12responsibility of the applicant to make
3:51:14the referral. Typically, if there was a
3:51:17development application process and
3:51:19after that original approval has been
3:51:20granted, it's a little bit back to
3:51:22front, but the onus is on the applicant
3:51:25to to make that request to the federal
3:51:28government.
3:51:30>> Councelor Brenda Brandis.
3:51:31>> Uh thank you, Director Shaw, and thank
3:51:33you, Mr. Mayor. I think maybe a final
3:51:34question. Are we aware if the applicant
3:51:36has actually undertaken that process?
3:51:39>> Michelle,
3:51:40>> uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. My
3:51:42understanding is that they haven't.
3:51:44>> Thank you.
3:51:45>> Any further questions, counselors?
3:51:47Councelor Lee.
3:51:49>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. In in relation
3:51:52to that question um as the uh having the
3:51:58care and control of the land is it not
3:52:00is there not some level of
3:52:02responsibility to ensure that the
3:52:04applicant being the golf club does the
3:52:06right thing in terms of the legislation.
3:52:11Michelle.
3:52:13>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I'll take
3:52:16that on notice and I'll review the
3:52:18requirements of the lease in that
3:52:19respect and the management order.
3:52:21>> Thank you. Um, I have some further
3:52:24questions. Thank you. Um, can you
3:52:27confirm how many of the 76 trees
3:52:29proposed to be removed would meet the
3:52:31definition of a regulated tree under the
3:52:34uh, local planning policy for tree
3:52:37retention? I know that that doesn't
3:52:38apply in this instance, but it is the
3:52:41guideline that we set on private
3:52:42property owners. So, I'd be interested
3:52:44to know how many of these meet that
3:52:46definition.
3:52:48>> Miss Shaw or Miss Empreo? Miss Emprema.
3:52:51>> Um, yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor. The city
3:52:53hasn't assessed them against the
3:52:54criteria for a regulated tree.
3:52:58>> Would it be possible to find out how
3:53:00many of them are over 8 mters in height
3:53:03or 6 m canopy width?
3:53:06>> Mr. Premer,
3:53:09>> I would need to confirm whether we're
3:53:11able to do that before next week.
3:53:13>> Thank you.
3:53:16Um, further question, do we know if any
3:53:19of them are on the state or local weed
3:53:21register? I mean, I know they talked a
3:53:23lot about them being non uh not natives,
3:53:27but from my point of view, that's not
3:53:29really relevant because a tree provides
3:53:31a lot of benefits besides um its um
3:53:36contribution to the uh fauna, but I am
3:53:40wondering whether um there are any that
3:53:43are um unsuitable species in terms of
3:53:45the weed register.
3:53:47>> Miss Primmer.
3:53:48>> Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, a couple
3:53:50of the trees are species that are stated
3:53:52as permitted under section 11 on deep
3:53:55herds website
3:53:56>> as sorry
3:53:57>> as permitted
3:54:00>> permitted.
3:54:02Sorry. So, of the 76 trees, how many are
3:54:06on the weed register?
3:54:08>> They're they're not classified as weeds.
3:54:09>> So, there's none on there. Okay. Thank
3:54:11you. Um,
3:54:14next question. Um can you advise how the
3:54:19proposed tree removals are considered to
3:54:22meet the goals, objectives and strategic
3:54:24priorities under the urban greening
3:54:26strategy and in particular the protect
3:54:28pillar because there doesn't seem to be
3:54:31much reference to the protect side of
3:54:33things in the Royal Perfect Golf Club
3:54:35submission.
3:54:37>> Miss Primmer.
3:54:39>> Yeah. Um thank you Mr. Mayor. So the um
3:54:45the removing the trees are a last resort
3:54:48under the um pillar and their urban
3:54:50greening strategy um and the information
3:54:53provided by Royal Perth Golf Course said
3:54:56that they were removing them um due to
3:54:58safety reasons um and had considered
3:55:00configurations for the golf course um
3:55:03bearing in mind uh the city has um
3:55:06impressed the importance of returning
3:55:07trees to the golf course on number of
3:55:10occasions. of this development.
3:55:14>> Thank you. And does the city have any um
3:55:19has has the city received any complaints
3:55:22about uh safety issues from adjoining
3:55:25property owners or people using the um
3:55:28local roads there because they suggested
3:55:30that there was an external safety issue
3:55:32as well.
3:55:34>> Miss Premer
3:55:36>> um thank you for the question through
3:55:37you Mr. Mayor. um we would need to do a
3:55:40detailed search of the city's request
3:55:41system, but I do seem to recall that we
3:55:44have had um feedback from the public
3:55:47about stray golf balls um in the
3:55:51adjoining area.
3:55:54>> No injuries or fatalities
3:55:58that we are aware of. Sorry.
3:56:00Um
3:56:03I think uh the only other query I had I
3:56:06think at this stage was um
3:56:10while the DPLH uh advice talks about
3:56:13there being no regional implications
3:56:16um because of the uh MF MRS being a
3:56:19regional reserve there. Um is there no
3:56:23requirement for DPLH or WAPC to consider
3:56:27local local implications of the work?
3:56:30or under our local planning scheme.
3:56:33>> Michelle.
3:56:35>> Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. The
3:56:37requirements for reserve land is of
3:56:40state and regional significance which
3:56:42the department has provided guidance on
3:56:45what it considers to be state
3:56:47significance and I can provide that for
3:56:49you. I take that on notice and provide
3:56:50that um detail to you. there's no
3:56:53development application that's required
3:56:55because they've stated that they that
3:56:57it's dimminimous in which case they
3:56:59wouldn't consider those types of
3:57:01implications because they're not
3:57:02undertaking a detailed assessment. So
3:57:05there's no requirement for them to
3:57:06consider any local context and the like
3:57:09or to undertake any for formal referrals
3:57:11to the city because it's um no
3:57:14development application has been lodged.
3:57:17So could you just explain to me how the
3:57:20removal of 76 trees is dimminimous?
3:57:24Uh
3:57:24>> is that Miss Shaw, Miss Ledger or Miss
3:57:26Emprima? Miss Shaw. Okay.
3:57:29>> Thank you, Miss May. That's not
3:57:30necessarily the city's opinion. That is
3:57:32the advice that has been received from
3:57:34the department of planning, lands, and
3:57:36heritage. So just to expand on the
3:57:39definition of de dimminimus
3:57:42for the purposes of those listening
3:57:46>> Michel.
3:57:49>> Uh thank you. So dimminimus effectively
3:57:52refers to whether or not a mat is Latin.
3:57:54It effectively refers to whether
3:57:56something is um significant or not. Um
3:57:58so it's effectively considered so
3:58:00insignificant that it doesn't otherwise
3:58:02warrant a development application being
3:58:04made.
3:58:07Thank you.
3:58:08>> Any further questions? Councelor
3:58:10Hingling.
3:58:11>> Yes, thank you. Um, in terms of the
3:58:14lease requiring written consent of the
3:58:16city, um, is that written consent,
3:58:19what's the consequence of, um, not
3:58:21providing us the notice or the request
3:58:24for the written consent? Do are you
3:58:26aware of that,
3:58:28>> Michelle? or Miss Primo,
3:58:34>> can we take that not uh question on no?
3:58:36Thank you, Councelor Hing. Thank you.
3:58:39>> Uh thank you for that and uh happy to do
3:58:41so. Um, we heard also a deputation
3:58:44tonight in relation to the fact that
3:58:48technology with golf clubs and balls now
3:58:51means that the balls travel further and
3:58:53so safety issues become very real and
3:58:56matters that need to be dealt with
3:58:58within a golf club. Um, if we create a
3:59:01circumstance that the course can no
3:59:03longer actively be used, would there be
3:59:06a view taken that potentially that could
3:59:09create a situation that we are acting in
3:59:12breach of a the management order uh for
3:59:15which the uh causes in our care and
3:59:18control of management and b a breach of
3:59:21the lease so that the purpose for which
3:59:23the property has in fact been allocated
3:59:26can no longer be used for the purpose
3:59:27for which it's been tended.
3:59:30Who should I send that to folks?
3:59:34>> Thank you for the question, Councelor
3:59:36Heling. Uh, again, I will take that on
3:59:37notice and need some further advice.
3:59:39Thank you.
3:59:41>> Any further questions, councilors?
3:59:42Councelor Prrenville.
3:59:45>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, just a couple
3:59:49of questions. Um, the shot hall bora was
3:59:53mentioned. Does the city have any
3:59:55further information of locations and if
3:59:59the golf club is affected?
4:00:02>> Mr.
4:00:03>> Um yeah, thank you for the question.
4:00:07We aren't provided with um or
4:00:09notification of
4:00:11short border cases outside of trees that
4:00:15we control. So we're only aware of where
4:00:16they are where me we manage that um that
4:00:20public space. So the golf course would
4:00:24be notified if there was any there.
4:00:26>> Okay.
4:00:28>> Councelor Brenville.
4:00:29>> Thank you. Um and thank you director and
4:00:32premier through the chair. Do we the
4:00:35size of the trees being planted was
4:00:37discussed and I know that some of the um
4:00:41uh the smaller um replacements are being
4:00:44sourced through our nursery. Do we have
4:00:45larger trees available? Is that an
4:00:47option um for the golf club to to plant
4:00:51the larger trees?
4:00:52>> Mr.
4:00:54>> Um yeah, thank you Mr. Mayor. So I will
4:00:58answer that in general terms um in how
4:01:01the city approaches its tree planting
4:01:03program. Um the city balances the cost
4:01:07of trees and the survival rate. So the
4:01:10bigger the tree when you plant it, the
4:01:12more more likelihood it has of not
4:01:14surviving. Um so we target a size that
4:01:17gives the tree a good chance of
4:01:19establishing. Um so the trees that they
4:01:22would be procuring through our nursery
4:01:23would be of a size where um where we
4:01:27would recommend planting ourself. Um
4:01:30noting that they do take a while to
4:01:31establish but the larger the tree the um
4:01:35significant more work that you need to
4:01:37put in to try and ensure that tree's
4:01:38survival.
4:01:40>> Thank you MMO councelor Brenville.
4:01:42>> Thank you. the trees that are being
4:01:45planted
4:01:47um how long would you um advise that
4:01:50they would take to reach the maturity
4:01:52level of the trees that are being
4:01:54removed?
4:01:56>> Mr.
4:01:58>> Yeah, thank you for the question through
4:01:59you Mr. Mayor. Um
4:02:02the trees that have been removed vary in
4:02:05maturity. Some of them are fairly
4:02:08mature. Um we would say a minimum of 15
4:02:12to 20 years before you would have a
4:02:14reasonable canopy on the replacement
4:02:15trees.
4:02:18>> Thank you Miss Premo. I've had the
4:02:20question councelor Prenible.
4:02:22>> Thank you through the chair. Just one
4:02:23more. Um what happens if we don't
4:02:26approve phase three?
4:02:30>> M Primo.
4:02:35Um,
4:02:37we
4:02:40would potentially do depends what
4:02:42council resolves ultimately. Um, council
4:02:44could direct the administration to go
4:02:46back and seek to renegotiate with um,
4:02:48Royal Perth Golf Course. If um, council
4:02:51just say no, then um, Royal Perth Golf
4:02:54Course would um, have to consider their
4:02:57options and
4:03:00use the mechanisms through the lease.
4:03:03Uh, thank you, Miss Amrio. Miss Ledger.
4:03:05>> Thank you, Mr. May. If I could just add
4:03:07to that. I think when we interrogate the
4:03:08lease a little bit more, I'll be able to
4:03:09provide a more succinct response in
4:03:12regards to what the outcome would be. If
4:03:13I can do that for you. Thank you.
4:03:16>> I guess I might ask a couple of
4:03:18questions at this point. Uh, my first
4:03:20question builds on councelor Howling's
4:03:22question. Uh I I did notice that page 40
4:03:26of the agenda states that the lease
4:03:28requires the club to obtain the written
4:03:30consent of the city open quote before
4:03:33making any mo major alterations or
4:03:36improvements to the reserve close quote.
4:03:38I guess the obvious question is would
4:03:41the stage three works be considered
4:03:43major alterations or improvements to the
4:03:45reserve? Happy for that to be taken on
4:03:47notice. Uh, my second question is, if
4:03:51I've read attachment K correctly, that's
4:03:54at page 295 of the first pack of the
4:03:57attachments to the agenda, the club is
4:04:00committing to planting the following by
4:04:02the 2028/29
4:04:05financial year, 242 trees, uh, 8,150
4:04:10shrubs, 10,590
4:04:13native grasses and monocots, and an
4:04:16additional 8,000 additional trees and
4:04:19shrubs to reveate the Melville Parade
4:04:21corridor. Uh my question is and happy
4:04:24for it to be taken on notice. How
4:04:26enforceable are those commitments?
4:04:31So uh with that um Oh, Miss Ledger.
4:04:34>> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We will
4:04:36take those on notice. Thank you.
4:04:38>> Any further questions? Councelor Brenda
4:04:40Brandis, I think was first.
4:04:42>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um with regard to
4:04:45the golf course or any golf course
4:04:47there's safety issue and I realized that
4:04:49a significant amount um of this
4:04:52submission is around safety. Um so the
4:04:55administration just advised to what
4:04:57extent we've considered their safety
4:04:59issues and also if we apply the same
4:05:02sort of um standard to our own Collia
4:05:05Park golf course.
4:05:09>> Mere.
4:05:10>> Yeah. Through you Mr. Mayor. So the city
4:05:12hasn't um engaged any consultant to do a
4:05:16formal review of their design um and see
4:05:20whether they have assessed the risk. Um
4:05:24we could get a third party um review of
4:05:27that but um obviously there's a cost
4:05:30involved in doing that.
4:05:33>> Councelor Brenda Brandis.
4:05:34>> Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. Uh with regard
4:05:36to the 242 trees being planted, do we
4:05:41know um how many of those species are
4:05:45food sources for the um native psums?
4:05:50>> Mr. Bremer.
4:05:51>> Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor. There is a
4:05:54list of all of the trees that they're
4:05:55proposing to plant. So, um we could get
4:05:58that information for you.
4:06:00>> Okay. Thank you,
4:06:01>> Councelor Brenda Bradis. Um thank you
4:06:04director and primo. Thank you Mr. Mayor.
4:06:06With regard to the uh the mature trees
4:06:09being removed, have we um done a review
4:06:14to determine if we have significant um
4:06:20breeding hollows within the old trees.
4:06:22Um, I'm just mindful that, uh, old trees
4:06:27take, you know, up to 80, 100 years
4:06:29before they get to the to the girth that
4:06:32can produce a hollow. And we do have,
4:06:34uh, resident parrots and not necessarily
4:06:36the white tail or red tail roosting in
4:06:38this area, but maybe even owls. So, have
4:06:42we considered if there are any hollows
4:06:44that would be habitat and also for
4:06:47breeding purposes um, that we're going
4:06:49to be removing?
4:06:51>> M. Thank you very much.
4:06:52>> Um yeah, thank you Mr. Mayor. So the
4:06:54city hasn't engaged any external um
4:06:57professional consultants to do any
4:06:59reviews of the proposal.
4:07:03>> Thank you, Miss Ammo. Councelor Reszon,
4:07:05I saw your hand go up.
4:07:07>> Yes, thank you. Uh Mr. Mayor, just a
4:07:10couple of questions. Uh I had the same
4:07:12question about the treatment of trees on
4:07:13Collia reserve but I just wasn't sure if
4:07:15that uh was answered in the previous
4:07:18answer from director and primit.
4:07:21>> Yeah apologies I don't think I answered
4:07:23the second half of that question. You're
4:07:25correct. Um
4:07:28the two courses are
4:07:32different in their layout and design. um
4:07:35the Royal Perth Golf Course being
4:07:37considerably more constrained in terms
4:07:40of its layout than the um Collier Park
4:07:43course. Um it hasn't been an issue for
4:07:46Collier Park that we've required to
4:07:48redesign any of that facility in terms
4:07:51of the fairways. Um so we haven't had to
4:07:55address this issue at Collier Park.
4:07:58>> Thank you, Miss Empreo. Uh councelor
4:08:00Razison and then councelor Russell. Uh
4:08:02thank you director and prayer and thank
4:08:04you Mr. Mayor. I am keen to understand
4:08:06the dimminimus as well and I wonder if
4:08:07it's possible to request a rough
4:08:10estimate of the number of trees that are
4:08:12on that property.
4:08:15>> Mr.
4:08:19I would need to take that question on
4:08:20notice.
4:08:23>> Councelor Russell.
4:08:25>> Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. So if there's a
4:08:26safety concern because of new technology
4:08:29allows I guess balls to be hit harder
4:08:31and further. Is there a case therefore
4:08:34that actually the golf course being next
4:08:36to the freeway is a concern?
4:08:39>> Mrema.
4:08:41>> Um yeah, thank you Mr. May. So that
4:08:43would be a risk that the golf course
4:08:44would need to assess themselves.
4:08:48>> Any further questions on this item?
4:08:50Councilors. Councelor Lees.
4:08:52>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh I'm just
4:08:54wondering um we apply a standard of
4:08:58private property through the local
4:09:00planning policy tree retention policy um
4:09:03that requires us to look at each tree on
4:09:07its merits or the the city staff to look
4:09:09at each tree on its merits um
4:09:11individually
4:09:13um and then there are certain criteria
4:09:16around um when a tree can and can't be
4:09:20res removed. Um I noticed uh councelor
4:09:23Hing asked that before of one of the uh
4:09:26deputies but there are specifics. The
4:09:28policy doesn't say a tree can't be
4:09:30removed. It says um that each tree needs
4:09:33to be considered on its merit. So um do
4:09:37you think it is um consistent to be
4:09:40asking private land owners that we will
4:09:42look at each tree individually and then
4:09:45in the case of Royal Perth uh looking at
4:09:4870 trees six trees holistically as a
4:09:52group rather than looking at them
4:09:53individually in terms of their value and
4:09:56the reason why they're being removed.
4:09:58>> Miss Shaw
4:09:59>> thank you Mr. Mayor. Whilst I can
4:10:01appreciate the question, um the city can
4:10:03only provide technical advice and local
4:10:06planning policy 3.2 specifically says
4:10:08that it only applies to zoned land and
4:10:11therefore I cannot otherwise comment on
4:10:13whether or not we would provide the same
4:10:15application of such a policy to reserved
4:10:17land. But just in principle, if these 76
4:10:22trees were on private land, we would
4:10:23take a quite a different approach to uh
4:10:27how the assessment would be undertaken.
4:10:30Miss Shaw.
4:10:30>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. If the trees were
4:10:32on private property, we would undertake
4:10:34an assessment against the requirements
4:10:35of local planning policy 3.2, tree
4:10:38retention. Thank you,
4:10:40>> council. Any further questions?
4:10:42Councelor Raison.
4:10:44>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just I'd like to
4:10:46understand whether stage one and two and
4:10:49three are interdependent stages as far
4:10:52as we know. Would the Royal Perth Golf
4:10:54Club have proceeded with stage one and
4:10:56two if there was uncertainty around
4:10:58stage three? Do we know? Were they
4:11:00entirely separate?
4:11:01>> Mere.
4:11:03>> Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, my
4:11:05understanding is that um the works were
4:11:09broken down into stages. It's all one
4:11:11project. They're broken down into stages
4:11:12to facilitate continued use of the
4:11:15course while the redevelopment is
4:11:16ongoing. So they closed part of the
4:11:19course while they did um stage one but
4:11:23then allowed members to be able to play
4:11:24on the remaining part of the course and
4:11:26then they moved on to stage two um so
4:11:28that at no time was the or to minimize
4:11:32any time when the course was completely
4:11:33closed. That's my understanding of um
4:11:36partly why it was um and I think as
4:11:38alluded to earlier the um general
4:11:41manager talked about the financial
4:11:43funding as well breaking it down but my
4:11:46understanding is the design is integral
4:11:49um to all three stages. It's one design.
4:11:52They've just chosen to break the work
4:11:54down into three stages.
4:11:56>> Thank you Miss Emprema Council Councelor
4:11:58Brenda Brandis.
4:12:00>> Yeah. Thank you Mr. Mayor.
4:12:03Can the administration advise the number
4:12:06of trees that were lost in stages one
4:12:08and two
4:12:11miss
4:12:14>> um I believe the details in the report
4:12:16but I would have to come back with the
4:12:17exact number
4:12:19>> right councelor Brenda Brandice
4:12:21>> thank you very much uh director and
4:12:22primo Mr. there. Um, just a follow-up
4:12:24question. So, if the number of trees um,
4:12:28in stage three are 76, did we only
4:12:31become aware of that um, late in the
4:12:33piece or was that part of the overall
4:12:35proposal um, for the golf course?
4:12:39>> Mr.
4:12:44I would have to check when we received
4:12:46the details of stage three proposal.
4:12:49>> Councilors, any further questions on
4:12:51this item?
4:12:52Okay, before I I ask Miss Ledger to lead
4:12:55us to the next item, uh I'm conscious
4:12:57that it's 11 minutes to 10 p.m.,
4:13:01normally 10 p.m. I haven't had to do it
4:13:03yet during my time as mayor, but 10 p.m.
4:13:05is sort of when I start to think, gee
4:13:07whiz, do we need to do we need to
4:13:08adjourn the council agenda briefing to
4:13:11another night. Uh I'm happy to go to
4:13:1410:30 before uh I adjourn this meeting
4:13:17and we have to try and find another
4:13:19night before the ordinary council
4:13:20meeting to finish off the council agenda
4:13:23briefing. But I suppose now might be an
4:13:26opportune time to to go around the room
4:13:29because we still have a lot of items on
4:13:33the agenda and some of them I expect
4:13:34will be of interest to the community.
4:13:38Um, can anyone give me a a rough idea
4:13:41starting with councelor Brenda Brandeson
4:13:43going around the room how many questions
4:13:45everyone has cuz I suspect that means
4:13:47that we'll go to 10:30 but then we'll
4:13:49have to adjourn but maybe I'm wrong. Um,
4:13:52councelor Brenda Brandis.
4:13:54>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Look, I I think uh
4:13:56for the remainder of the items I could
4:14:00probably limit it to about five or seven
4:14:03questions.
4:14:03>> Right. Uh, councelor Souza.
4:14:07>> Uh, I've got one further question, Mr.
4:14:08Mayor.
4:14:09>> Councelor Ward.
4:14:11>> Uh, I don't have any questions at the
4:14:12moment. Thank you.
4:14:13>> All right. Councelor Le,
4:14:19>> but uh I I think the majority of my
4:14:22questions I've already asked tonight, so
4:14:24uh less. Yes.
4:14:26>> Councelor Prrenville.
4:14:28>> I probably have two questions. Councelor
4:14:31Russell,
4:14:34>> I have quite a few.
4:14:36>> Yeah. Councelor Hley,
4:14:38>> 5.2.
4:14:41>> Sorry, 5.2.
4:14:44>> Five or six. I'm not sure. Maybe six or
4:14:46seven.
4:14:48>> Councelor Razison on
4:14:49>> between 5 and 10.
4:14:51>> All right. Uh, we'll keep going until
4:14:5310:30. Um, I might have to pull the pin
4:14:57then, but folks, uh, but we we'll
4:14:59continue. Next item, please. Councelor,
4:15:01not councelor, Miss Ledger.
4:15:04>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Item 10.4.4 sound.
4:15:07>> So, sorry. Um, councelor Reszan, you've
4:15:08got the item.
4:15:09>> Excuse me. I'm not quite sure if this is
4:15:10a point of order, but I'm just mindful
4:15:12that there is a member of the public
4:15:13here who I imagine I'm just guessing is
4:15:16here in relation to the last item
4:15:18whether we put prioritize that uh in
4:15:21respect uh for Mr. Groom's time. As I
4:15:24understood, his deputation was in
4:15:26relation to the race track. Um whether
4:15:29we move that up the while he's here, I
4:15:31don't know.
4:15:32>> Um I'm happy to do that. Uh Miss Ledger,
4:15:35can we move to actually I do that. Um
4:15:37all right. So
4:15:40unorthodox. Uh I'm going to pause where
4:15:43we are in item 10 right now. Uh and jump
4:15:46to item 12 in particular, item 12.1,
4:15:51which is notice of motion. Councelor
4:15:53Brenda Brandis, City of South Perth's
4:15:55position on the entertainment and
4:15:56sporting precinct, Berswood Park.
4:15:59Councilors, do we have any questions for
4:16:00the administration on this item?
4:16:03Councelor Russell.
4:16:05>> Yes, thank you. Um, look, I'm asking
4:16:07this question purely for due diligence
4:16:10purposes. So, um, noting that the
4:16:12Berswood Entertainment and Sporting
4:16:14Precinct, aka the the Modlex, uh, is in
4:16:19another district to, uh, to the city of
4:16:21South Perth. I'm just seeking
4:16:22reassurance on the city that the local
4:16:24government of South Perth when
4:16:26considering this item is in compliance
4:16:28with section 3.1 of the local government
4:16:30act general function because that
4:16:32section seems to pertain to the business
4:16:34of the district.
4:16:37>> Miss Fry or Miss Ledger, who should I
4:16:40send that to?
4:16:42>> Miss Ledger.
4:16:43>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, with that
4:16:46section of the act, you could you could
4:16:48assume that you're thinking about
4:16:49anything that impacts the district. And
4:16:51if the community believes that this
4:16:53impacts the district, then it is of good
4:16:55governance for the council to consider
4:16:56that.
4:16:59>> Any further questions on this item,
4:17:00councilors?
4:17:03>> No. Okay. In that case, uh, we'll jump
4:17:06back to item
4:17:0910.4.4.
4:17:11Could you lead us with that one, Miss
4:17:13Ledger?
4:17:18Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 10.4.4. Southeast
4:17:20Metropolitan Regional Road Subgroup.
4:17:22This report seeks the appointment of
4:17:24elected member representatives as the
4:17:25member and the deputy member to the
4:17:27Southeast Metropolitan Regional Road
4:17:28Subgroup for the period of 16th of
4:17:30December 2025 to 16th of October 2027.
4:17:34>> Any questions, councilors? Councelor
4:17:37Russell.
4:17:38>> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This seems to
4:17:39be a new committee or a new subgroup.
4:17:42I've never seen this before. And is it
4:17:44just recently been formed?
4:17:47>> Who should I send that one to? Mimmer?
4:17:51>> Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor. No, my
4:17:53understanding is that this has been in
4:17:55existence for quite a long time.
4:17:57>> It's just that I've never seen a city of
4:18:00South Perth position on this committee
4:18:03or this subgroup before.
4:18:05Miss Amremer or Miss Ledger
4:18:11>> through the mayor. Um I believe that
4:18:13this is the first time that it has come
4:18:15to council although I believe there has
4:18:17been representation before. Um I'm not
4:18:20sure of the nuance there though.
4:18:22Apologies. Thank you.
4:18:25>> Any further questions? Councilors
4:18:31going gone. Okay. Next uh next item
4:18:34please. Miss Ledger.
4:18:36>> Thank you, Mr. M. Item 10.4.5, Listing
4:18:38of Payments November 2025. This report
4:18:41presents to council a list of accounts
4:18:42paid under delegated authority between
4:18:44the 1st of November 2025 to the 30th of
4:18:47November 25 for information. It also
4:18:49includes purchase card transactions
4:18:50between the 1st of October and 31st of
4:18:52October 2025 in line with legislative
4:18:55requirements.
4:18:56>> Any questions, counselors?
4:18:59>> No. Next item, please. Miss Ledger.
4:19:01>> Item 10.4.6 Six monthly financial
4:19:04statements November 2025. The monthly
4:19:06financial statements provided within
4:19:07attachments A to- I with high level
4:19:11analysis contained in the comments of
4:19:12this report.
4:19:14>> Any questions counselors?
4:19:17>> Nope. Uh, next item please, Miss Ledger.
4:19:19>> 10.5.1. Minutes of the audit risk and
4:19:22improvement committee meeting held on
4:19:23the 10th of November 2025. That the
4:19:26minutes of the audit risk and
4:19:26improvement committee meeting held on
4:19:28the 10th of November 2025 be received.
4:19:31Any questions, counselors?
4:19:34No. Next item, please. Miss Ledger.
4:19:37>> Item 10.5.2. Terms of reference audit
4:19:39risk and improvement committee to
4:19:41present the terms of reference.
4:19:44Sorry.
4:19:45Terms of reference. Sorry. For the
4:19:47audit, risk and improvement committee to
4:19:48council for adoption.
4:19:50>> Any questions, councilors?
4:19:53>> No. Next item, please. Miss Ledger.
4:19:55>> 10.5.3. Policy review. A number of
4:19:57policies are presented for council for
4:19:59review and adoption.
4:20:01>> Any questions, councilors?
4:20:04No, I've scared you all obviously. Um,
4:20:06councelor Lee,
4:20:08>> sorry,
4:20:09>> I did have some questions on this um
4:20:15which I have put through um to the
4:20:17administration separately um
4:20:25uh
4:20:29yeah maybe I'll leave those till um
4:20:31separate. Thank you. Uh councelor Helen,
4:20:36>> thank you. Um I uh raised and uh will
4:20:40raise again uh and I intend to address
4:20:42this next week. So I don't require an
4:20:44answer now, but it can be thought about
4:20:46the response to community feedback from
4:20:49the notice of motion to remove six
4:20:52juvenile trees. Um that's at page 56. uh
4:20:56that's simply in uh my view uh not an
4:21:00accurate representation of what the
4:21:02consultation was. The consultation as I
4:21:04understand was in respect of the urban
4:21:06greening strategy. I don't want to take
4:21:07up any time at this meeting but it will
4:21:09be a matter that I will be raising next
4:21:11week.
4:21:13>> Any further questions councilors?
4:21:15Councelor Raison.
4:21:16>> Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. uh in relation
4:21:19to the same policy just question of
4:21:21happyford you've taken on notice is that
4:21:23if that particular policy is pulled out
4:21:26uh from all the other policies and on
4:21:29with the possibility that it's discussed
4:21:30at the workshop that's coming up in
4:21:32relation to the operational plan where
4:21:36will that leave us if the policy is not
4:21:39uh adopted next week thank you
4:21:42>> miss ammer
4:21:43>> yeah thank you through you Mr. Mayor. Um
4:21:45so the existing policy will still stand
4:21:48um to the extent that it can be um
4:21:52operated with the adoption of the urban
4:21:54green urban greening strategy um and it
4:21:58could be addressed through that
4:21:59workshop.
4:22:02>> Another question councelor Raison.
4:22:03>> Thank you Mr. Mayor. And if that is the
4:22:05case is that will that be any
4:22:07ramifications for the golf course
4:22:09proposal or is it separate? Mr. Premer.
4:22:13>> Um
4:22:15no because the um the strategy already
4:22:21sets the direction for the
4:22:22administration to follow. So even
4:22:24without a change to the policy, the
4:22:26administration would have still
4:22:28proactive.
4:22:35>> Thank you, Miss Ambreo. Any further
4:22:38questions on this item, councilors?
4:22:40No. Next item please, Miss Ledger.
4:22:43>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 10.5.4 annual
4:22:45report for 2024 to 25 to present the
4:22:48annual report for the year ended 30th
4:22:50June 2025, which includes the annual
4:22:51financial statement and independent
4:22:53auditor's report.
4:22:55>> Any questions, councilors?
4:22:58No. All right. That brings us to the end
4:23:01of item 10. We now move on to item 12,
4:23:04which is motions of which uh previous
4:23:06notice has been given. The first is item
4:23:0812.1 notice of motion from councelor Tim
4:23:11Howling entitled risk activities
4:23:14outstanding for an extended time. Any
4:23:16questions councilors?
4:23:19Councelor Raison.
4:23:21>> Uh I do have one question but it
4:23:23effectively applies to all of the items
4:23:26uh under item 12. I've raised this with
4:23:28the administration already and received
4:23:30an answer. Uh the question is are any of
4:23:32the matters raised in these motions able
4:23:35to be dealt with administratively?
4:23:38>> Is that Miss Fry or Miss Ledger that I
4:23:39should send that to? Miss Ledger.
4:23:42>> Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um within the
4:23:45standing orders local law the provision
4:23:47is that the CEO can review the notice of
4:23:49motion but can only refuse a notice of
4:23:52motion based on a breach. Um no none of
4:23:55these notice of motions met that brief.
4:23:57So they have all been presented. Um
4:24:00maybe some amendments have been made.
4:24:03Thank you.
4:24:04>> Thank you. Uh and a further question in
4:24:07relation to that. Uh so I yeah that's
4:24:10very helpful. Thank you. So uh that
4:24:13being the case uh another question on
4:24:16notice would be which ones of these
4:24:18notice of emotion are actually are
4:24:20legally required to come for council
4:24:22approval and which other matters can be
4:24:24just approved or discussed uh with the
4:24:28administration separately. Happy for
4:24:30that to be taken on notice.
4:24:33>> Thank you Mr. Mayor. um each notice of
4:24:36motion um whilst the elected members uh
4:24:41recommendation may not be an an
4:24:43administrative um issue that we can deal
4:24:45with some of the office of
4:24:46recommendation suggests that that can be
4:24:48the case. So hopefully within that those
4:24:50comments that can be um you can
4:24:52ascertain what which of those motions
4:24:54can be.
4:24:57>> Any further questions on item 12.1
4:24:59councilors?
4:25:01No. Okay. Uh the next one is item 12.2,
4:25:05a notice of motion from councelor Tim
4:25:07Howling entitled governance and risk
4:25:09priorities workshop. Any questions on
4:25:11this item, councilors?
4:25:15No. Okay. Next motion is item 12.3, a
4:25:20notice of motion from councelor Tim
4:25:21Howling entitled mayoral reporting. Any
4:25:24questions, councilors?
4:25:27No. Okay. We move on to item 12.4, Four,
4:25:31a notice of motion from councelor Tim
4:25:33Howling entitled outstanding items in
4:25:36AIC reports. Any questions, councilors?
4:25:41No. We move on to item 12.5, a notice of
4:25:45motion from councelor Tim Howling
4:25:47entitled risk register. Any questions,
4:25:49councilors?
4:25:52No.
4:25:54We move on to item 12.6, six which is a
4:25:56notice of motion from councelor Tim
4:25:58Howling entitled a review of library
4:26:01opening hours and governance oversight
4:26:03space-b South Perth and Manning
4:26:06libraries. Any questions councilors?
4:26:11No. Okay. At this point we're about to
4:26:14get to item 12.7 uh which is a notice of
4:26:16motion from councelor Tim Howling
4:26:18entitled mayor or car. I've declared a
4:26:21financial interest in that item and I
4:26:23note that I've also declared a financial
4:26:25and proximity interest in item 12.8
4:26:29notice of motion councelor Tim Howling
4:26:31hooding and nitrous oxide use on the
4:26:33south Perth foreshore. So at this point
4:26:35I'll invite deputy mayor councelor Andre
4:26:37Brener Brandis to take my seat as
4:26:39presiding member. Uh if someone could
4:26:42come and get me after these two items
4:26:43have been dealt with I'd be grateful.
4:26:53See you soon.
4:27:13Item 12.7, notice of motion from
4:27:16councelor Tim Howling regarding the
4:27:19mayor car. Are there any questions with
4:27:21regard to this item?
4:27:23Yep. Councelor Russell.
4:27:25>> Uh, thank you. Um, does the city know
4:27:27how many tier 2 local governments um
4:27:30provide a marble car?
4:27:34>> Um, is it common? Is it not common?
4:27:39>> It's
4:27:41uh generally speaking for metropolitan
4:27:43it's not common. Um, for regional it is
4:27:46generally um just because of of the
4:27:49distance geographically they have to
4:27:51travel.
4:27:54>> Any further questions? Uh, councelor
4:27:56Lees,
4:27:58>> uh, I noticed, uh, I note that, uh,
4:28:01councelor Howling has, uh, indicated
4:28:04total potential annual savings of
4:28:0717,500.
4:28:08And I did ask a question of the
4:28:10administration. I'm not really clear on
4:28:12the answer, but um, is that uh, has that
4:28:15been verified that that figure? Um I I'm
4:28:19noting that uh if there's no car then uh
4:28:23the mayor would then be allowed to claim
4:28:26travel allowance. Um and I'm just
4:28:29wondering what the difference is between
4:28:31the two.
4:28:32>> Thank you. through the deputy mayor. The
4:28:34figures that were provided I believe to
4:28:37all councilors today um indicate the
4:28:40total amount with and divided and
4:28:42separated by private and marital usage
4:28:46um for which the mayor is charged for
4:28:48the private use. So you would assume the
4:28:51amount that's left for um meal use would
4:28:53be the amount that the mayor would claim
4:28:55for travel expenses.
4:28:56>> So that would be travel allowance.
4:28:58>> Travel allowance.
4:28:59>> Okay. Thank you.
4:29:01>> Thank you. Any further questions,
4:29:03councilors?
4:29:06No. Move on to item 12.8, notice of
4:29:09motion from councelor Howling, huning
4:29:12and nitrous oxide use on the South Perth
4:29:14foreshore. Do I have any questions on
4:29:16this item, councilors? Yep. Councelor
4:29:19Printable.
4:29:21>> Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Um, I referred
4:29:23to one of the deputies this evening
4:29:25regarding this motion who mentioned
4:29:27after hours ranger services. Does the
4:29:30administration know of any neighboring
4:29:32local governments that offer an after
4:29:34hours contact for residents who have
4:29:36concerns? Is that a typical thing
4:29:39>> through the deputy mayor? Thank you,
4:29:40councelor printable. Yes. Uh the city of
4:29:43Sterling has an after hours range of
4:29:45service. Um it is very well used and
4:29:48it's an additional charge for rate
4:29:50payers. Um the town of Claremont has
4:29:53extended hours until 8:00 PM and that
4:29:56can vary depending on if there are um
4:29:59needs identified such as a special event
4:30:01happening they can increase their hours
4:30:03and they do work overtime or over the
4:30:05weekends etc. So that's been increased
4:30:07based on antisocial behavior. So it it
4:30:10does happen in some local governments.
4:30:12Obviously they don't have the provision
4:30:13that the police have but um the police
4:30:18enact quicker when they are contacted
4:30:21and arranged knows the level of danger
4:30:23or antisocial behavior. So there is
4:30:25benefits to it obviously and costs.
4:30:29>> Thank you miss leisure. Yes councelor
4:30:32printable.
4:30:32>> Thank you deputy mayor. Um and thank you
4:30:34CEO Ledger through the chair. Do we or
4:30:37can we be provided with a pro an
4:30:39approximate cost of that sort of
4:30:41service?
4:30:43>> Uh definitely um that can be done. It
4:30:47would depend on what type of service
4:30:49you'd be looking for, but I we can
4:30:50provide variations of Yes.
4:30:53>> Thank you. Any further questions on this
4:30:55item? Council Councelor Russell.
4:31:00>> Yep. Councelor Russell.
4:31:01>> Uh yes, thank you. Um so under our
4:31:04current laws are our uh our rangers able
4:31:08to um issue a move on um no
4:31:15>> through the deputy mayor um not issue a
4:31:18move on um as such they can ask you to
4:31:22move on and that's what they generally
4:31:24do. Um it it's all dependent on the
4:31:27level of risk that they assess but they
4:31:29are trained at the next level. they can
4:31:31be trained at the next level to identify
4:31:33that and to know what to do. Um there's
4:31:35obviously ways you manage that risk when
4:31:37they're out in the field and working at
4:31:39night. So there are ways around it and
4:31:41and as I said previously local
4:31:43government governments have done that.
4:31:45>> They don't have any powers though
4:31:47>> um to be able to
4:31:50do what the what you'd need to do in the
4:31:52case of honing. So the next question
4:31:54then is do does the local governments
4:31:56have the authority to have a local law
4:31:58to issue a move on notice which does
4:32:01actually have authority
4:32:05>> have to take that on notice for you
4:32:07councelor Russell. Okay. Thank you,
4:32:10>> councilors. Any further questions?
4:32:12Councelor Lees.
4:32:14>> Um, in reference to the ranger service,
4:32:17uh, while I was, um, door knocking
4:32:20during pre-election, a lot of people
4:32:22spoke about, um, a patrol service, a
4:32:2524-hour security service. And I know
4:32:28there's a couple of councils, Melville
4:32:31do it, Belmont do it, Sterling do it,
4:32:33uh, city of Perth do it. Is is that what
4:32:35we're referring to when you referenced a
4:32:37ranger service? And my understanding is
4:32:40that they can take um video evidence,
4:32:45they can um contact the uh police that
4:32:49just the presidents and the eyes on the
4:32:51street makes a difference. So I'd be
4:32:52very interested in knowing the cost of
4:32:54that because it's not just uh the
4:32:56esplanard that we're dealing with.
4:32:58There's u multiple areas in the city
4:33:01where people are raising concerns.
4:33:04>> Your pleasure. Thank you.
4:33:05>> Thank you, Deputy May. Um yes, council
4:33:07lees the the city can provide a costings
4:33:09of of that based on 24/7 or operating
4:33:12till midnight or um specific zones or
4:33:15areas. So we can provide all of that so
4:33:17you can get a better understanding of
4:33:18what you're looking at and costs and how
4:33:20that could be funded even.
4:33:23>> Thank you, Mr. Ledger. Um any further
4:33:24questions, councilors? Uh councelor
4:33:26Russell.
4:33:28Uh yes, thank you deputy mayor. So um it
4:33:31seems as though that um people are
4:33:33parking on the uh on the median strips
4:33:36uh within the uh within the road
4:33:38reserve. So um what so there's there's a
4:33:41proposal to beautify or landscape those
4:33:44median strips. So what form would that
4:33:46take to prevent parking on that on those
4:33:48medium strips?
4:33:50>> Thank you. Um who should I hand that to?
4:33:52Um director and primo mayor. Thank you
4:33:55deputy mayor. So uh the city already has
4:33:57listed um for as a request from elected
4:34:00members um costs and scope for um
4:34:04consideration in the 26 27 budget for
4:34:07landscaping of that area. Um my
4:34:10understanding is that the um community
4:34:12requests have focused around low
4:34:15vegetation and ballards on that area. So
4:34:17that's how we would be preparing the
4:34:19cost estimate.
4:34:24Thank you, Dre Private. Any further
4:34:26questions?
4:34:26>> Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Um, if I may,
4:34:29uh, there was $30,000 allocated in the
4:34:32budget for the purposes of CCTV.
4:34:35Um,
4:34:37no, sorry, for the cameras that we've
4:34:39got or the um mobile cameras to be able
4:34:43to upgrade software as well as hardware
4:34:45at the city. Um, where is the spending
4:34:48of that at and has that been put out to
4:34:50tender or is it being acquired? What's
4:34:52going on with that?
4:34:54>> Should I hand that to director of
4:34:55corporate services?
4:34:59>> Through you, Mr. Deputy Mayor. Um, the
4:35:02um $30,000
4:35:04um in the budget refer to the um
4:35:07automatic
4:35:09um uh number plate recognition camera on
4:35:13Mullell Point Road. Um I presume that's
4:35:16what you are referring to
4:35:19>> through you deputy mayor. Um there was
4:35:21also an allocation because there was
4:35:24difficulty processing the camera footage
4:35:28back here and there needed to be an
4:35:30upgrade of some of the computer systems
4:35:31and the like as I understand. Has that
4:35:34been undertaken or is that in process or
4:35:37where are we at? If it needs to be on
4:35:39notice I'm happy for that. Uh just so
4:35:41that we can give the community a little
4:35:43bit of assurance. I mean because my
4:35:45question certainly wasn't political. It
4:35:47was aimed at the fact that there was
4:35:49$22.5 million which is being allocated
4:35:51by the state government to buying
4:35:54cameras and the um number plate
4:35:58recognition and they're in the process
4:36:00of doing that. Now we've got some of our
4:36:03cameras and I'm just wondering where
4:36:05even if we get the data we apparently
4:36:07can't process it over there here and
4:36:09that's been some of the roadblock to
4:36:12communicating with the police. So just
4:36:14wondering where that's at.
4:36:17>> Take it on notice through the mayor. Um
4:36:19we can we can provide more detail by
4:36:21taking on notice. However, I can say
4:36:24with certainty that we are at this point
4:36:27in time. Um and we have allowed the WA
4:36:30police access to our CCTV network and
4:36:33they are processing as well as there was
4:36:35a software upgrade done to the current
4:36:38CCTV trailer to to be able to um
4:36:42interpret number plates as well.
4:36:45>> I'm happy to provide you the meeting at
4:36:47which it was discussed.
4:36:48>> Thank you Mr. Lock. Thank you councelor
4:36:50Hing. Uh any further questions? Uh
4:36:52councelor leaves.
4:36:53>> Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. Is there only
4:36:56one mobile CCTV fee facility at the
4:37:00moment? Because my understanding is when
4:37:02I attended the uh public safety and
4:37:04crime prevention advisory group, it was
4:37:07needed in multiple areas and um it was
4:37:10spending a month here and a month there.
4:37:12So, is there only the one and are we
4:37:14making moves to get another one or is
4:37:16that in the budget?
4:37:17>> Thank you.
4:37:18>> Thank you, Deputy. Um council, from my
4:37:20understanding, there is one. and it's
4:37:21currently on Douglas Avenue and it does
4:37:23get rotated as per police um
4:37:26requirements around the city. So, it's
4:37:28currently located there until early next
4:37:31year. So, um I can follow up and see if
4:37:33we have any more any intention within
4:37:35budget. Thank you.
4:37:39>> A follow-up question, Council Le. Uh I
4:37:42just noted that uh the report talks
4:37:45about um
4:37:48uh
4:37:50bikes being an issue along the esplanard
4:37:53and the potential to prohibit them. Is
4:37:55the city aware of um any safety issues
4:37:58in terms of bicycle use? I'm not sure is
4:38:02that in response to hooning or bad
4:38:04behavior or uh how that relates to the
4:38:08issue on the esplan. Is that a question
4:38:11for director and primmer or
4:38:14>> um yeah through you deputy mayor. I'd
4:38:17need further information on that because
4:38:18it's not something that I'm aware of.
4:38:20>> Thank you.
4:38:23>> Thank you. Uh councelor Russell, you
4:38:25have a question.
4:38:26>> Uh yes, thank you. Look, um I know of uh
4:38:29acoustic devices that are used to
4:38:31measure sound levels for design and
4:38:32maintenance purposes, but I'm not
4:38:34familiar with vehicle compliance um
4:38:37purposes. So, how do do these things
4:38:40work exactly? Do they trigger upon a
4:38:44sound or of a backfire sound or do they
4:38:46trigger on the frequency of the backfire
4:38:48sound? I'm just trying to I'm just
4:38:50trying to wonder is it proven technology
4:38:52for this to be a success?
4:38:54>> Uh, is it director and primo or
4:38:57>> Yeah. Um, thank you, Deputy Mayor. So,
4:38:59um, when the city previously had um some
4:39:02discussions in relation to this, there
4:39:04is technology that's used overseas.
4:39:06However, um in WA they are looking at a
4:39:09trial of that. So it isn't currently
4:39:12used in WA.
4:39:14>> So what was that last part?
4:39:16>> So the state government are looking at
4:39:17triing those cameras in WA, but it's not
4:39:21um it hasn't been used to date. So the
4:39:24ability to use that technology to
4:39:26enforce any um non-compliance is it's
4:39:30not yet determined.
4:39:31>> Okay. Thank you. Um, I have a series of
4:39:33questions to the diagram that's
4:39:35associated with this item. I was
4:39:36wondering if that can be brought up. I
4:39:38think it's the last page on one of the
4:39:40appendices.
4:39:41Thank you. Administration.
4:39:43>> I think it's the last page on attachment
4:39:45two.
4:39:46>> If the last page of attachment two could
4:39:48please be brought up for display. Thank
4:39:50you.
4:39:55>> Just bear with us. Council Russell, will
4:39:56we access it?
4:40:00In the meantime, council lees, did you
4:40:02have a question?
4:40:02>> Thank you. Um, we heard from the
4:40:04deputations about the um
4:40:08how much distress the hooning is causing
4:40:11at the Espanard and the bad behavior.
4:40:14Um, and it goes on and on and I found it
4:40:16really quite concerning and alarming.
4:40:19Um, and we clearly need to do something
4:40:23uh very quickly about this um for the
4:40:26health and well-being of those
4:40:27residents. And I note that the suggested
4:40:30officer recommendation talks about
4:40:32present as soon as possible a report to
4:40:35the council. How quickly can we move on
4:40:37this? I
4:40:39>> um
4:40:40>> there might be some things that we could
4:40:41do faster than others and um is there
4:40:44any way of expediting it?
4:40:46>> Thank you. Thank you.
4:40:48>> Thank you, Deputy May Council. Yes, I in
4:40:51short I believe that we can do some
4:40:54quick wins I guess. Um but I'll pass to
4:40:57um
4:40:59Anie to councelor to further that.
4:41:02>> Yeah. Um thank you to through you deputy
4:41:04mayor. So the city's been aware of this
4:41:06issue for around four years. Um and the
4:41:10previous actions that have been taken by
4:41:12the city I believe have been circulated
4:41:14to elected members. Um
4:41:17in terms of things that are directly
4:41:20within the city's power, we have
4:41:21exhausted a number of those. We've
4:41:23already reduced the speed limit. We've
4:41:25put in um traffic you know engineering
4:41:28solutions um you know potentially so we
4:41:32are in the process of procuring a second
4:41:34camera um potentially when that arrives
4:41:38um allocating it to that location um for
4:41:42longer periods of time maybe of
4:41:43assistance um but I think whilst it is
4:41:46very distressing for the residents that
4:41:48are down there and there's no doubt
4:41:49about that I've been down to community
4:41:50meetings there myself um they are
4:41:53experiencing a lot of distress
4:41:54the city has got limited powers to
4:41:57enforce um and have any interventions in
4:42:01the area. Um but notwithstanding that,
4:42:03we will continue to look at what options
4:42:05are available to us. But potentially the
4:42:08um second camera deployment there when
4:42:09that arrives um may be one of the most
4:42:12effective um solutions we've got in the
4:42:14short term.
4:42:16>> Thank you, Director Primo. Um councelor
4:42:19Russell, is that the image that you're
4:42:20after?
4:42:20>> Yes, thank you. Um so this this diagram
4:42:24makes reference to or is restricting
4:42:27um traffic to local traffic. So what is
4:42:29exactly the definition of local traffic?
4:42:31Is it for example to allow vehicle
4:42:34access to a butting properties only or
4:42:36allow vehicle access to district
4:42:38properties only or is it more than that
4:42:42through
4:42:43>> thank you through you deputy mayor. Um
4:42:45so I note that there is a um a diagram
4:42:49included there. uh if council were to
4:42:52resolve to instruct the administration
4:42:54to follow this, we would need more
4:42:55clarity around what is actually expected
4:42:57and anticipated by council through this
4:43:00um notice of motion. Um and also noting
4:43:04that um because it impacts the function
4:43:08of the um freeway offramp at Mil Point
4:43:12um we would require approval of Main
4:43:14Roads WA to do that. Um we did
4:43:17previously approach main roads around um
4:43:22nighttime restrictions around there and
4:43:26they were clear that they would not be
4:43:28receptive to that. Um
4:43:31we haven't put this proposal to them but
4:43:33like I say we would need more detail on
4:43:35what is actually being proposed here um
4:43:38before we could approach main roads and
4:43:39see whether they would entertain that.
4:43:42>> Uh thank you. I think I'd like to ask my
4:43:44questions regardless. So, um I mean
4:43:47there's still signs within the city that
4:43:49say local traffic only. So, there must
4:43:51be some form of definition of what local
4:43:54traffic is.
4:43:56>> Uh through the deputy mayor, councelor,
4:43:58I believe that that would be residents
4:44:00and friends and residents and relatives.
4:44:01So, people who access to get to
4:44:03properties. Okay.
4:44:04>> Um but I can get that definition for
4:44:05you. Thank you.
4:44:06>> Uh thank you. And I think this might
4:44:07have been answered. So, um, as Bill
4:44:09Point Road is a local distributor, road
4:44:11per main roads hierarchy, uh, which
4:44:14actually seems a bit strange to me
4:44:16because it actually connects the, um,
4:44:18the freeway to a district distributor.
4:44:20Can its access be restricted to local
4:44:22traffic only?
4:44:25>> I'll take that as being referred to main
4:44:27roads.
4:44:28>> Um,
4:44:29>> yes, and we will confirm that for you,
4:44:31Councelor Russell.
4:44:32>> Thank you. As the proposal includes the
4:44:34closure and/or limiting the direction of
4:44:37vehicle traffic, does section 3.5
4:44:39closing certain thorough affairs to
4:44:41vehicles the section 3.5 the local
4:44:43government act? Sorry, it's 3.50
4:44:46um apply and if so, which parts would
4:44:48apply?
4:44:50>> Thank you, Sierra.
4:44:51>> Thank you, Deputy May. Councelor Russ, I
4:44:53will take that on notice.
4:44:54>> Okay. Thank you. Um, if Milpoint Road is
4:44:57closed to vehicles other than local
4:44:58traffic between 10 p.m. and some other
4:45:00undisclosed morning time, then to ensure
4:45:03a vehicle which is not a local traffic
4:45:06is not trapped
4:45:08uh when it exits the freeway, would
4:45:10there need to be signage on the freeway
4:45:12at Narrow's Bridge? And indeed, will
4:45:14there have to be signage at the Canning
4:45:16Bridge exit to ensure that this does not
4:45:18happen?
4:45:20>> Thanks through the deputy mayor. Thanks,
4:45:21Councelor Russell. I think there'd be a
4:45:23lot to unpack in rel in regards to all
4:45:25of those questions that you're asking.
4:45:26So, we'll have to get some more detail
4:45:27for you.
4:45:27>> Okay. Thank you. The next one would be
4:45:29from the city's intram maps, Fraser Lane
4:45:32is one way, west to east, which is in
4:45:34opposition to what is proposed in the
4:45:36motion, which is east to west, i.e. it's
4:45:38westward. Can the city clarify the
4:45:40reasoning behind the current west to
4:45:42east direction?
4:45:44>> You director,
4:45:46>> I'd have to take that on notice.
4:45:48>> You council.
4:45:49>> Thank you. And at the southern end of
4:45:51the esplanard uh you can see that um you
4:45:54it says total closure to traffic near
4:45:57the I think that's Harper near the
4:45:59Harper terrace. Um so so if it's closed
4:46:04to all traffic then that means it's
4:46:06effectively a dead end. Uh would this
4:46:09therefore require a turning circle uh to
4:46:12be to be constructed i.e. a cold sack to
4:46:15be constructed.
4:46:17>> Thank you CEO. Uh again thank you deputy
4:46:20mayor um councelor Russell there would
4:46:21be a lot um to detail in regards to this
4:46:25proposal um and consultation would be
4:46:28required as well so um without knowing
4:46:31all of those factors I'm afraid we can't
4:46:33answer that question right now but we'll
4:46:34provide as much detail as possible
4:46:38you council are there any further
4:46:40questions uh councelor race on
4:46:42>> uh thank you Mr. Deputy Mayor, uh, a few
4:46:46questions for you. So, when we heard the
4:46:47deputations this evening, there was
4:46:49already a divergence of opinions on what
4:46:52methods work and what methods don't
4:46:54work. Uh, I would say though that there
4:46:56is a through line about uh, the benefit
4:46:59of cameras and I've got a number of
4:47:01questions and I'm sorry if we've covered
4:47:03because I'm not very clear on which
4:47:05cameras. I guess my first question is
4:47:07where is our current CCT cam CCTV camera
4:47:10and can it be moved immediately?
4:47:13uh to the uh peninsula location
4:47:16southwest with Espanut.
4:47:17>> Thank you, C Ledger.
4:47:18>> Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Um councelor
4:47:20Raison currently is as I mentioned in
4:47:22Douglas Avenue at the request of the
4:47:23police and it's u to provide any
4:47:26beneficial data or or assistance to the
4:47:28police. They generally leave it there
4:47:30for 4 weeks and that's what how long it
4:47:32will be there. It's only just moved from
4:47:33I believe around the 3rd of de December.
4:47:35So it will need to be there for another
4:47:37few weeks.
4:47:39>> Thank you. And uh through you again Mr.
4:47:42Deputy Mayor uh to CEO Ledger, do we
4:47:46have an ability to be in touch with the
4:47:48police to advise them about uh the
4:47:50concerns that were raised in the
4:47:51community and that this is an urgent
4:47:53issue
4:47:54>> through the deputy mayor? Yes, councelor
4:47:56Raison. And I believe that we are going
4:47:57to be organizing a meeting with the
4:47:58officer in charge at Kensington Police
4:48:00um immediately.
4:48:04>> Thank you. And a few more questions I
4:48:06guess in a lot about cameras um or a
4:48:10general question first. happy for it to
4:48:11be taken on notice. What data does the
4:48:14city have on the effectiveness of the
4:48:16measures that have been implemented to
4:48:18date to deter what has worked so far and
4:48:20what has not worked?
4:48:23>> Director Primo.
4:48:24>> Yeah, thank you through you, Deputy
4:48:26Mayor. Um, so the only ongoing data that
4:48:30the city collects is um through the
4:48:32speed monitoring site that's on Mil
4:48:34Point Road. So that does collect vehicle
4:48:36data on an ongoing basis. Um we do also
4:48:40deploy um traffic counters and um speed
4:48:44detection um counters routinely in that
4:48:48area because we are aware that there is
4:48:49ongoing issues. Um in terms of the
4:48:53effectiveness, it's a little bit
4:48:55difficult when to to determine the the
4:48:58effectiveness. I think you heard the
4:48:59comments um from some of the deputations
4:49:02earlier around since we closed the
4:49:04Milpoint car park. Um it's actually got
4:49:06worse. Um
4:49:09at the time when those proposals were
4:49:11being discussed um that was a risk that
4:49:15was highlighted is that you displace it
4:49:17or it becomes a game. They know that
4:49:20they're annoying people so um they
4:49:24increase their activity in the area. Um
4:49:27so it's very difficult to measure the
4:49:29effectiveness because we don't know what
4:49:31they would do if those interventions
4:49:33weren't in place.
4:49:36>> Uh thank you director and primo and
4:49:38again through you Mr. Deputy Mayor. I
4:49:41recall some correspondence uh from the
4:49:43mayor with with reference to automatic
4:49:45number plate recognition cameras that
4:49:47the city plans to use and also a new
4:49:50CCTV unit that has number plate
4:49:53recognition and noise detection cameras
4:49:56being introduced. I'm not clear which
4:49:58ones the city's doing, which ones are
4:50:00coming from somewhere else, which ones
4:50:02I'd just appreciate if a breakdown of
4:50:04every camera and the timing and the
4:50:07availability if it's happy to be taken
4:50:09on notice as well.
4:50:10>> Director and Primo.
4:50:11>> Yeah, thank you through you, Deputy
4:50:12Mayor. I will answer that question to
4:50:14the extent I have that information at
4:50:16the moment. Um, so we currently have one
4:50:19mobile CCTV unit which um does have
4:50:22number plate recognition and has a live
4:50:25feed direct to um, West Australian
4:50:27Police Force. Um, we're in the process
4:50:29of procuring a second mobile um, camera
4:50:33unit which will also have number plate
4:50:35recognition on it. Um, and that will
4:50:38also be fed directly to um, WA police.
4:50:41Um the
4:50:44um
4:50:45ampr the static AMPR automatic number
4:50:49plate recognition cameras um the city is
4:50:52working with um WA police because they
4:50:55will be in the road reserve but they
4:50:57will be managed by WA police and that
4:50:59was part of um Jeff Baker's um election
4:51:02commitment. So the police will
4:51:04effectively independently operate them
4:51:07but because they're in the road reserve
4:51:08the city will be working with them on
4:51:10the location. Um in terms of the noise
4:51:13um detection equipment the city is not
4:51:16involved in that project.
4:51:21>> Uh thank you director and primo and any
4:51:23idea with the earlier ones around the
4:51:25timing of those cameras procuring being
4:51:28procured? director and freeway
4:51:30>> and I believe the city's second camera
4:51:33is currently in the process of being
4:51:35procured at this point in time. Um so
4:51:38when we get that back depending on
4:51:39availability
4:51:41um we'll go ahead and and purchase that
4:51:44as soon as we can get it.
4:51:48>> Thank you.
4:51:48>> Thank you. And uh just finally just so
4:51:51that we can understand the question
4:51:53about the ranges. If a decision was made
4:51:55by the council for rangers to be
4:51:58deployed, can that be done uh through
4:52:00the current pool of rangers or would we
4:52:02need to be looking at additional
4:52:05recruitment?
4:52:06>> Thank you, CEO.
4:52:07>> Thank you, Deputy May. We'd be looking
4:52:08at additional recruitment, councelor
4:52:09Raison. Thank you.
4:52:11>> Thank you. Thank you. That's it.
4:52:12>> Thank you, Councelor Raison. Councilors,
4:52:15are there any more questions this item?
4:52:16Councelor Howling,
4:52:18>> I'm aware that the city of Perth have a
4:52:20special area rates in respect to
4:52:22security that's provided within the
4:52:24city. Is there an awareness of any other
4:52:26local government that imposes special
4:52:28area rates? And um would that be
4:52:31something that we would be able to
4:52:32implement through the budget process? Uh
4:52:36and I can I just say that as an adjunct
4:52:38to that question um the strong support
4:52:41and feedback that I've received is that
4:52:43many of these uh residents in this area
4:52:46are content for a special area rate
4:52:49because what they want to do is sleep at
4:52:51night. It's gotten that bad for them.
4:52:54>> Thank you, CEO.
4:52:55>> Thank you, Deputy May. Uh yes, councelor
4:52:57Hing. There are um local governments
4:52:58that have used special area rates. I'm
4:53:01not sure specifically for this purpose,
4:53:04but um with the city of Sterling, it's
4:53:06not a special special area rate per se.
4:53:09Um but everybody in the city of Sterling
4:53:11is applied an additional so you can see
4:53:14it on your rate. So it's it's separate,
4:53:16but it's not a differential or special
4:53:18special area rate, but um that can that
4:53:21can easily be done through the right
4:53:22process.
4:53:24>> Council Heling, you had a further
4:53:25question, did you?
4:53:28Thank you, Councelor Lees.
4:53:32>> The concern for me with the uh special
4:53:34area rates is that the suggestion that
4:53:36the problem keeps moving. Once you
4:53:39address it in one area, it's going to
4:53:40move to another area and another area.
4:53:42So, how would we respond to that?
4:53:46>> You to the CEO.
4:53:49That's a that's a fair point, councelor
4:53:51Le and it would um I guess when more
4:53:53information more is available to council
4:53:55to make informed decision about costing
4:53:58um you know where the big problems are.
4:54:00Obviously there's other issues across
4:54:01the city of South Perth. So whether
4:54:03you'd want to look at this one in
4:54:04isolation is really a decision of a
4:54:06council and you'd want to have full
4:54:08funding on that to be able to provide an
4:54:09answer.
4:54:11>> Thank you. As I said um there were u
4:54:14multiple people raising issues in the
4:54:16Koma area near Canning Bridge. Um, so
4:54:20not to the same extent that they're not
4:54:22in terms of hooning, but certainly in
4:54:24terms of car vandalism and um, violence.
4:54:28So yeah, I've been concerned about
4:54:31limiting to to a specific area.
4:54:34>> Thank you, Council Le. Um, any further
4:54:37questions on this item? Councelor Hley?
4:54:39>> Yes, I'd like to invite councelor Lees
4:54:41to a coffee immediately after this on
4:54:42the foreshore.
4:54:43>> Thank you. Thank you, councelor Helen.
4:54:46Okay. If there are no further uh
4:54:48councelor Russell, you have one further
4:54:50question.
4:54:50>> No, I'm just bringing to your attention
4:54:51it's now 10:30.
4:54:53>> Yes.
4:54:53>> Um I just have a few more, but I'm happy
4:54:55to put that on notice if everyone else
4:54:57is agreeable to that.
4:54:59>> A few questions on this item, Councelor
4:55:01Russell,
4:55:02>> or a few more questions on this
4:55:04particular item or a different
4:55:06>> None on this item, but I'm happy for the
4:55:07other items to put those on notice.
4:55:10>> Okay. Thank you, council.
4:55:13Okay. Can I ask for uh sorry yes
4:55:17councelor Rosa
4:55:19>> uh through you uh Mr. Deputy Mayor, just
4:55:21one final question in relation to the
4:55:23hooning and the procurement. Uh just
4:55:26picking up on what uh councelor Heling
4:55:28was saying earlier. I've also been
4:55:30approached by residents who would be
4:55:31willing to fund cameras. Is there
4:55:33anything that council can be doing or
4:55:36funding from res residents would assist
4:55:38to speed up the procurement?
4:55:42>> Um directory and primo.
4:55:45>> Um it's purely going through the
4:55:47procurement process. So um because we're
4:55:50a public body, we're subject to certain
4:55:51rules around how we procure things and
4:55:53we're simply going through that pro
4:55:54process. The money is approved in the
4:55:56budget.
4:55:58>> Thank you, director. And one final
4:56:00question, council lead.
4:56:02>> Sorry. So is is are you able to give an
4:56:04estimate over the time at all or
4:56:07>> I' I'd need to check and get back to
4:56:09you.
4:56:10>> Thank you.
4:56:12Okay. If we have no further questions,
4:56:14um if we could invite the mayor to
4:56:15resume as presiding member. Thank you.
4:57:00All righty. Thank you folks. Uh so it's
4:57:04uh it's gone past 10:30.
4:57:08Uh I suppose I could adjourn the uh the
4:57:11meeting now, but we've got uh 12.9,
4:57:1412.10, and 12.12 to go. Uh, councilors,
4:57:18has anyone have a lot of questions on on
4:57:20any of these items?
4:57:22>> I'm happy to put these on notice.
4:57:24>> All right. Uh, anyone else got a lot of
4:57:26questions that they want to ask?
4:57:29>> No, M.
4:57:30>> All right. Uh, we we might just push
4:57:32through then and uh and and get
4:57:34everything done tonight. Uh, next item,
4:57:36please. Miss Ledger.
4:57:39>> Oh, yes, of course. Sorry, my bad. Um,
4:57:41yes. Uh, quite right. I'm the I'm the
4:57:44one that reads it out. Um, so, uh, we're
4:57:47up to item 12.9, notice of motion from
4:57:51councelor Tim Howling, entitled
4:57:52community and sporting club leases and
4:57:54governance oversight. Any questions,
4:57:57councilors?
4:57:59Nope. Okay. Uh, item 12.10, notice of
4:58:03motion from councelor Tim Howling
4:58:05entitled open fridge dinners and mayor
4:58:07secretarial support. Any questions,
4:58:10councilors?
4:58:12Nope. We did item 12.11 earlier. So
4:58:16moving on to item 12.12, notice of
4:58:18motion. Councelor Kathy Lees in
4:58:21retention of existing trees as part of
4:58:23the redevelopment of KO Secondary
4:58:26College. Any questions, councilors?
4:58:29Councelor Howling.
4:58:32Thank you. Um I'm wondering has the city
4:58:34seen any of the plans that is proposed
4:58:36and the time frames within which any of
4:58:39those plans for the construction of the
4:58:42upgrade to the or the proposed upgrade
4:58:44to the GMO secondary colleges to be
4:58:46carried out.
4:58:47>> Mich,
4:58:49>> thank you Mr. Mayor. No, we haven't. Um
4:58:51I requested um a copy of the plans uh
4:58:54from the school and was advised that we
4:58:56would need oh sorry from department of
4:58:58um building finance and was advised that
4:59:02the city would need to put in a
4:59:03ministerial request to receive a copy of
4:59:05the plans before we could have a look at
4:59:07them. So we have not received a copy.
4:59:10>> Councelor Hingley.
4:59:11>> Thank you. and um what are the gaps that
4:59:14are um extent within our uh policy and
4:59:18governance framework so that we would
4:59:20need to separately from that framework
4:59:22um advocate uh for what's proposed in
4:59:26this motion?
4:59:27>> Michelle,
4:59:32>> sorry, can I just um have a bit more
4:59:34context to the question? I'm just trying
4:59:36to
4:59:36>> Yeah, sure. I I probably don't need to
4:59:38ask the question. What are the gaps? Are
4:59:40there any gaps that you're aware of um
4:59:43as you sit here tonight that um we have
4:59:46within our planning framework that we
4:59:49haven't proplicated for that need
4:59:52separately to be addressed by way of
4:59:53advocacy outside of that governance
4:59:56framework for planning? Michelle.
4:59:59>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Not from a
5:00:00planning perspective or policy
5:00:02perspective given it's public works and
5:00:04so the city would not be able to um
5:00:06consider a development application for
5:00:08that as exempt. Um whether or not
5:00:11council chooses to resolve to advocate
5:00:14um given the intent of the notice of
5:00:15motion is a decision of council.
5:00:18>> Thank you, M. Shaw. Council, any further
5:00:21questions on this item?
5:00:23No. Okay,
5:00:26that brings us to item 15, which is
5:00:28where we would ordinarily close the
5:00:30meeting if there was any reason for us
5:00:31to do so, but there's not, so we won't.
5:00:34And that brings us to item 16, which is
5:00:37closure. So, before I close the meeting,
5:00:39thank you all for your attendance and
5:00:41participation. I declare the meeting
5:00:43closed at 10:36 p.m. Thank you all and
5:00:47good night.
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