Tantra, Shiva & The Secrets of Human Consciousness Ft. Satyakaam Ramkrishan | Evolve Ep 3

0:00What is suffering? Suffering means

0:02things are not happening according to

0:03you. Your ego is crashed. Your eyes

0:06start to see things as they are. And in

0:09each suffering, you die a

0:11death. Kaluga is that when a thought

0:15becomes more important as soon as first

0:18thought arises, kalyuga begins. Means

0:20now I'm not looking at you. I'm looking

0:22at a thought of you. It's kalyuga. But

0:24when I see you, that is satyuga.

0:27Everything in this universe has a

0:30purpose. What would have been the actual

0:32purpose of the mind? First take this

0:34idea of purpose out that is misguiding

0:36and torturing so many s what is my

0:38purpose? Are you crazy? We say I want to

0:41be free. What does that really mean? We

0:43long to become who we are because

0:46inherently we know who we are. That's

0:48what our spiritual journey is.

0:51Do you feel a lot of Osho's teachings

0:53are misunderstood? What I thought I

0:55heard Osho and what I thought he meant

0:57and today what I think is completely

0:59different. I said Baba how to come to

1:01know what will happen next. He said what

1:04if God also doesn't know what will

1:05happen

1:11next? We shot this amazing podcast with

1:14Satyakam Ram Krishnan and I truly had

1:17goosebumps when we finished that. That's

1:19exactly why I could not record a video

1:21back then because even before the

1:23podcast started, we had a very deep

1:26intense conversation where I teared up

1:29for almost 10 to 15 minutes. And to just

1:31come back out of the zone and come into

1:33the zone of asking him questions in

1:35itself took some time. It's probably one

1:38of the best conversations I've had in my

1:40entire life. And I'm sure it is going to

1:43be transformative for every single

1:45person who's going to watch this. He's

1:47truly a mystic in his own way and his

1:49concepts about karma, his concepts about

1:52the purpose of life and his concepts

1:53about living in the present moment in

1:56itself is just so refreshing and it just

1:59connects with some aspect inside of you

2:01that's always longed for much deeper

2:04answers in your life. I thoroughly enjoy

2:07this conversation and I'm 100% sure that

2:10each one of you who's going to watch

2:12this conversation till the end is going

2:14to come back to the same podcast again

2:15and again and watch this multiple times

2:18because every time you watch this there

2:20is a new answer that is going to come up

2:22for all of you. Enjoy the

2:25[Music]

2:33podcast. Satya G. Thank you so much for

2:36doing this. I mean I mean for all the

2:39people who are watching, they probably

2:40didn't know what happened in the last 40

2:42minutes of I don't know why I ended up

2:45tearing up for something that you really

2:46said. We're going to dive deep into a

2:49lot of aspects and most of the questions

2:51like you said though I have a bunch of

2:53questions written down. I would love to

2:55go with the flow and intuitively ask you

2:57the questions that probably I want an

3:00answer because I definitely believe

3:01there are so many people who will get

3:03benefited from the same questions from

3:06the same answer. So sure thank you so

3:09much for doing this today. So before we

3:12even begin with the journey of life and

3:14death and spirituality and everything I

3:16want to ask you how was your childhood?

3:20Oh traumatic. Okay. But fun. Okay. Can

3:24you talk to us about it? I mean after

3:28the school starts it trauma starts

3:30because but before

3:32that yeah childhood was I used to stare

3:36at sun a

3:37lot as a child and then sometimes I

3:42would close my eyes I would

3:45feel or even sitting in a room I would

3:48feel that room has become very vast.

3:51I'll close my eyes. It will feel not

3:53normally what you see but you will see

3:55it's a huge space. It used to scare me.

3:59That was that is when I had first time a

4:01seizure. Okay. So later on I realized

4:03that there is a technique in

4:05viganavantra

4:07where Shiva says that feel your head

4:11infinite expanded everywhere. The space

4:14you know space is not a thought.

4:17Thoughts happen in that space. Only now

4:20I understood why that was happening

4:23because then I had seizures

4:25epilepsy in youth but then I understood

4:29it was not epilepsy even it was

4:32something you carry from your past life

4:34which is more than what is the story in

4:36today's life is so it contradicts with

4:39that till your this life ego personality

4:43adjust to the new reality which is

4:45vaster than your ego till then you'll

4:48have seizures Okay, because a circuit

4:51malfunction your capacity is much

4:53bigger. That's why some people cannot

4:54fit into certain jobs or relations. Not

4:57they incapable, their capacity is too

5:00much big for what relation or a job

5:02demands. Right? So they somehow cannot

5:04find themselves fitting into something.

5:07That's why many people are unable to

5:09follow certain which everybody is

5:10following.

5:12When did you realize this that you were

5:14not cut out for what the world wanted

5:17you to do?

5:19There's not certain time you realize

5:21it's just somehow by nature you're doing

5:23uh variety of things. I was learning

5:26many arts, painting this and that. So I

5:29kept on learning more and more. Then I

5:31came across Osho started to read him a

5:34lot Krishna Morti and anything I could

5:36find. So

5:38basically I did not know consciously

5:40that this is how it is. But

5:43uh the creativity in the mind wants to

5:47explore more.

5:49So in that exploration it takes you

5:51where you need to go

5:53because some people go to a place let's

5:57say tourist

5:59spot to entertain themselves but right

6:03way to go is to expand

6:05yourself. So some people go to a sguru

6:09to get rid of their problems. But some

6:11go to expand themselves. Okay. And those

6:14are the rare people and those are the

6:16people sgurus

6:17wants. They because gurus are not

6:20hospitals. They're gardens.

6:24You're supposed to grow gardens. Not

6:25that fix my disease then I will say

6:27thank you. You are great. No. That's

6:31where people misunderstand spirituality.

6:33It's not a hospital. It's a probiotic,

6:37okay? And it is supposed to bring out

6:40your

6:41potential, not to fix your pimples. It's

6:44a brain surgery.

6:47So there are two kinds of people from

6:49what you said. One kind of people go to

6:51cure their diseases. Other kind of

6:53people go to expand themselves. So both

6:56of it stems from a desire. I want to

6:58cure this. I want to expand myself. So

7:01why is the desire for both kinds of

7:03people different?

7:05One is a trained thought.

7:09Okay?

7:10Cuz you are trained to be efficient,

7:14not to be yourself. You trained to be

7:16efficient. Out of that you are

7:19suffering. You are engaged. Your energy,

7:23your creativity, it was designed to

7:26expand. Now it is what you say converged

7:30into one direction. A specialist for

7:34what? A job or a career.

7:37Meanwhile, you are a 360 degree angles

7:41of life. But you have chosen few angles

7:45and out of that you're suffering. So

7:47then you go to a guru. why I am

7:49suffering but still you insist your

7:52narrative

7:54but guru is there to cancel your

7:57narrative so that you don't talk about

8:00one or two angles but

8:03360° angles of you okay so a person who

8:07is aware consciously or

8:09unconsciously I mean many people are

8:11going to fix their problem but their

8:13inher inherent need is to expand they

8:17think if I get that woman get that job

8:19if this sickness goes then I will be

8:21fine but gurus knows that's not the

8:24problem problem is you are binding your

8:27energy with what you want and you are

8:30not looking at what you need what's the

8:33difference want is something trended

8:35into you okay as I just told it's a

8:38conditioning okay need is to expand okay

8:43so we are

8:44bonsai we need to be full-blown trees M

8:48as I keep on giving an example that we

8:51are like eggs. Egg has two

8:54possibilities. If it is cracked from

8:56outside, it will become an omelette.

8:59But if it cracks from inside, it will

9:02give birth to a new being. Right? So we

9:05are cracked from outside eggs. And a

9:09process with guru is how to crack the

9:12crust of society conditionings and what

9:14you want what you should do you should

9:17crack that that's why people take drugs

9:19to crack that because problem is not the

9:21drug problem is your mind you you need a

9:24break from your mind that's why people

9:26are taking psychedelics also okay and

9:29once you realize it's a break from mind

9:31it is not any drug that's where you

9:33realize that actually I need to crack

9:36and best way to crack is don't run away

9:39from your suffering.

9:41Once you're in the suffering, you will

9:44crack this thing. What is suffering?

9:47Suffering means things are not happening

9:49according to you.

9:51That's what suffering is. I want it like

9:53that. But if you look at the fact this

9:55has happened, this person has left me.

9:57Now I am in pain. What normally people

9:59will do? So let me avoid this suffering.

10:02I find another relation or

10:04entertainment. But if you stay with the

10:05suffering because in suffering you

10:08become focused that's where you will see

10:10yourself naked as you are when you are

10:13in happiness you could brag I can do

10:15this nothing happens to me more when it

10:17happens you know what hurts in the

10:19suffering most is to realize that you

10:23are hurt

10:25okay your ego is crashed okay

10:28and then that's when you look at it it

10:31brings you humility your eyes start to

10:33see things as they are. And when you see

10:36things as they are, your old stories

10:39cannot go on. And in each suffering, you

10:43die a death. People think they're

10:46missing their dead friend or a relative

10:49or a wife. No, you are missing that part

10:53of ego which was defined by your wife or

10:56your father. When that father or the

10:59girlfriend dies, your that aspect dies.

11:02You're not crying for the person gone.

11:04You're crying for that ego part of you

11:06which won't be defined by anybody else

11:08ever again. Oh my god. So people who

11:11die, they don't experience death. People

11:13who are living, they experience death of

11:16their own identity. Yes. Otherwise there

11:19is no death. Real death is death of your

11:21identity. Is suffering truly important

11:24for us to evolve in life? You are saying

11:27that uh is negative really important for

11:30bulb to come up?

11:32Okay. In

11:34Chandela Bakti Sutra, he explains that

11:37life is a movement between dualities.

11:40You cancel the duality, there will be no

11:43movement. So what uh yogi is doing, he's

11:46going beyond this duality. That's why

11:48he's not born again. Okay? Or his body

11:51also dies early. But there is a Krishna

11:54kind of people who enjoy the duality but

11:57not holding on to any one aspect. Okay?

12:00That is the secret to live in this life.

12:03Do not choose between dualities. When

12:05happiness comes, remember there is

12:07suffering also coming. Relax, enjoy. And

12:09when suffering comes, don't freak out.

12:11Don't commit suicide. You also know it

12:13is going. So then you will see it's a

12:15play going on. Nobody is your and

12:18nobody's stranger. Everything is just a

12:20play going on. But the mind clings on to

12:23only wanting the good experiences in

12:25life. Yeah. Why does that happen?

12:28Because when you do not feel joy of your

12:30being, you are living in a stagnant

12:32boring state and you need constantly

12:34kicks and entertainments a hopes in the

12:37mind. What we call happiness is more of

12:40a mental idea. It is not something felt

12:42really. Okay? You think you suddenly get

12:451 k rupees or something $1 million

12:47rupees. Your body is not ecstatic.

12:51Your mind is just oh great. You know

12:54you're you are suddenly have a freedom

12:56to live your desires but still it's not

12:58an energy experience but we long for a

13:01live energy experience which I call

13:03juice of life which is called kali the

13:06electric current of the cosmos each

13:09addiction each indulgence gives you a

13:11brief glimpse of that electric

13:13experience of you okay what is sex what

13:16is drug it puts you into that vibration

13:19you first time become aware I am not

13:21this thought structure

13:22But a vibration when you are in

13:25vibration you're limitless. Electricity

13:29is everywhere in the cosmos. But a

13:32thought or a picture appearing because

13:34of that electricity is limited only to

13:35its frame. Okay? But electricity running

13:38through us is cosmic. So we long to

13:43become who we are. Okay? So the reason

13:47why we long to become who we are is

13:49because inherently we know who we are.

13:52Yeah. Not as a knowledge. Okay. But as a

13:54knowing as in knowing. Okay. It's like

13:57uh they say the matter is condensed

14:00light.

14:01Miss matter means darkness.

14:04So in darkness there's a constant drive

14:07to become light again. That's what our

14:09spiritual journey is. It's not even

14:12personal also when you say I'm a

14:13spiritual seeker. No it's not you. Okay.

14:16It's

14:17your

14:18bound energy into

14:21density. Too much bondage, too many

14:23thoughts. You are dense and we say I

14:26want to be free. What does that really

14:27mean? You want to become sky again.

14:30Ether becomes the earth.

14:33And it longs to become ether again.

14:37This constant

14:39movement between the ether to the earth

14:42is what play of life is. Leela is okay

14:45because even so there is another way

14:47also even when you're bound if you have

14:50no problem with it you can still

14:52experience sky of you as

14:54earth that is the royal way of

14:57spirituality that is devotion he don't

15:00say that free me he say you are playing

15:03a matter you are here so I will see you

15:06the form you have taken so Krishna says

15:09such devotees I love okay because they

15:12are not putting their condition free me.

15:14No. If that one is playing matter and

15:18bondage and story, a drama, a world war,

15:21you say

15:23great don't judge it. Okay? There you

15:26will also have a dashion. There you will

15:28have a revelation. So this idea of free

15:30me also comes from the ego. Idea of free

15:34me. Just I want to be liberated. Yeah.

15:36That also comes from the identity. No,

15:38it's essentially there is a energetic

15:40longing energy in you want to expand.

15:44Okay, there are two dimensions of

15:46energy. Either it's expanding or it is

15:48contracting. There is no pause in energy

15:50ever. So we try to bring it to a pause

15:54with ideas with desires and we manage

15:57and that's what is called stagnation and

15:59that's what is called cancer in the

16:01body. Okay. If you somehow luckily start

16:05to expand that energy, that's where your

16:08sickness disappears on all levels

16:10because essentially any energy trapped

16:13will become your suffering, disease,

16:15sickness. And today's culture from the

16:18age third or fourth, they tell children

16:20to repress their energy, adjust to

16:23school, don't do this, don't do that. So

16:25he

16:26trains. Interrupted child is what we

16:29called adult. Wow. And Jesus says that

16:33you have to be like innocent like a

16:35child to be in the kingdom of God. What

16:38does this mean? Why they call shanker

16:40the ble innocent one? It means no

16:43conditioning. You're just vibrating with

16:45life as it is now. So when we started

16:47you said something we don't suffer from

16:49life. We suffer from our own ideas of

16:52life. What does that mean?

16:55Because that's what is kaljuga is.

16:57Kaljug means the real definition of

17:00kalyuga is that when a thought becomes

17:03more important as soon as first thought

17:05arises kalyuga

17:08begins mean now you are not I'm not

17:10looking at you I'm looking at a thought

17:12of you

17:14it's kaly yoga but when I see you that

17:18is saty yoga cuz I see a thought of you

17:22as I see you this is what I like this is

17:25what I don't like So this duality this

17:29division when you divide anything

17:31outside you also get divided your one

17:34energy vibration becomes fragmented into

17:37various thoughts and that state is the

17:40state of suffering. Mhm. So I was

17:44talking to you about an uh a question

17:46when somebody takes a psychedelic or

17:49when somebody does drugs, it opens their

17:51mind to something which they're not able

17:54to feel or fathom in a normal structure

17:57right now. So what does it actually show

18:00to us when somebody does a psychedelic?

18:04It's essentially shows to

18:07you a world which is not part of your

18:10mind.

18:11How you see yourself, how you perceive

18:13world, it's all your ideas

18:16and drugs

18:18basically relax that aspect of your

18:21mind. You start to see deeply. You start

18:23to actually feel and in that because

18:27there is a thought which is originated

18:30from concepts and poets and artists know

18:33about thought which is uh originated

18:37from feel of life. That's why they are

18:40geniuses, right? They didn't

18:42conceptualize figure out okay if I put

18:44uh this word here it will be great

18:46poetry. Yeah. No, they were feeling life

18:48and that feeling that music took over

18:52and express the words. So that's why

18:54there is a poetry. There is a music in

18:56the word is poetry. Okay. So you enter

18:58into that poetic state of you when you

19:00take that

19:03and everybody wants to go there because

19:05when you fall in love you briefly also

19:07enter that poetic state of you where

19:09you're feeling yourself as energy. Okay,

19:11that's why you will see children,

19:13youngsters become very daring once they

19:15fall in love because they step out of

19:17the structure. Now they know themselves

19:18as a vibration.

19:21Of course they again commit suicide by

19:22getting

19:24married and kill each other. But

19:27otherwise that's what tantra says. Shiva

19:30says stay with the beginning, stay with

19:31the romance. Don't take it anywhere. But

19:34if you stay with just feel of the

19:35person, don't take it anywhere. Don't

19:37try to make it in marriage or in affair.

19:40Just enjoy each other. You both will

19:42become like a holy couple. Yeah. Because

19:44your energies will keep on expanding,

19:46right? But look what happens. As soon as

19:48you feel good, you want to immediately

19:50own the thing.

19:53You want to make it part of your

19:54security and thoughts, right? I'm I'm

19:57not saying don't marry or if you're

19:59married you are disaster. No, break that

20:02pattern. See who is sitting in front of

20:05you is new being, not the one you know

20:07since 10 years. M that's where love

20:10flows. Love means to see all of you not

20:15what I prefer. That's what is hurting in

20:18relation. But why say you don't listen

20:20to me and you say you don't see me what

20:22I do because I want to see only what I

20:24want to see. I'm not seeing you as you

20:27are. Right? And that's what cosmos is

20:29complaining from us. Okay? We are seeing

20:33our versions. Some call it Shiva, some

20:35call it Ram, some call it Da. But we are

20:38not seeing as it is. It has no

20:42name. So I think divine must be very sad

20:46also because either we want

20:50liberation. I create something very

20:52beautiful for you and then you say

20:53liberate me from this really or we want

20:57some little chunk of it. Yeah. To repeat

21:00again and again. Yeah. Whereas you could

21:02get the whole kingdom by befriending the

21:05big boss Takuri. what we call Mhm. you

21:08would say that I just want to be with

21:10you. I don't want anything. I don't want

21:13liberation. Why? I won't be able to see

21:15you if I'm liberated. And

21:18that is a complete different journey.

21:21It's neither spiritual nor material. It

21:24is let's not say more about

21:26it. Is it to to kind of have that

21:30connection with the divine and say you

21:32do what you want to do with my life and

21:34with everything around me. I'm just

21:36going to stay connected with you. Yeah.

21:38Your only function

21:40is just please do not let this

21:42connection go away. Rest I don't care.

21:45For Krishna says for such I come running

21:48and even change my own dharmmas and

21:50rules. Yeah. To be with them. For a yogi

21:53it will take lots of sadhana to

21:56experience God. But for a devotey it can

21:58happen in one hour also.

22:01All it needs is sincerity. Your real

22:04deep sincerity. I want to just feel you.

22:07I don't want anything else. Right?

22:11That is sweet honey to divine because

22:15nobody is saying

22:16that what you will give me it's all

22:20business

22:21chanting mantra I do shrialita sastam

22:24what benefits will happen that's why

22:26you're doing it but if you just do the

22:28mantra you don't need then nayas and

22:30kyas if you just do the mantra I just

22:33want to connect with you then you don't

22:35need all these tantric scientific

22:37practices Okay, you need tantric

22:40scientific practices by right guru

22:43because you are looking for a result.

22:44When you're making a deal, you better

22:46make a deal perfect. If you make any

22:48mistake, whole deal is off. Okay. But

22:50when you say no deal, I just want to

22:52feel you. So here I am. It's not far.

22:57What you think is this? Wow. Do you

23:00believe all human beings are inherently

23:03selfish?

23:05We end up doing things that make us feel

23:07good. You see, highest

23:10state in India is called Kevalia. Okay.

23:13Kevalia means when you realize it's only

23:17I which exist. I am the tree. I am the

23:21cosmos. There is no other.

23:24Coming back to your selfish point why I

23:26said you will understand why what I

23:27mean. Other is devotion which says it's

23:30only you

23:32mean it's question of how you approach

23:34this reality. Okay. When we say

23:39selfish one selfish is positive

23:42selfish other selfish is manipulative

23:46selfish that I don't care about others I

23:48should get the benefit. Okay. But other

23:51selfish is before I obliged to your

23:54conditions first I have to be joyful.

23:56Correct. So there you become selfish.

23:59Out of that joy you'll be the most

24:01giving person. True. True. Inherently

24:05it's only your world. You see you

24:08thinking there in your matrix you are

24:10the main boss. Correct. Rest everybody's

24:13character in your story. Yes. So that is

24:16kind of you only with this life. So

24:19inherently we are selfish. Because even

24:22you say you don't love me, it's about

24:23me. Love me. Yes. And when you say I

24:26give to other people, you're saying I

24:28give to other people. So inherently no

24:31matter what you do, it is going to be

24:33action of

24:34yourself. But if it's for profit only

24:37for yourself, that is a negative

24:38selfish. Correct? Otherwise everything

24:40you do is

24:42yourself.

24:44Sacrifice is not something you take your

24:47wood and give to others. Real sacrifice

24:50is you give your fire and light to

24:52other. But what in the name of sacrifice

24:55we giving our wood to other so that's

24:58where you have to become selfish no I

25:00will burn my wood you can have my heat

25:03and light don't come close too close to

25:05my fire you will burn don't call me

25:07angry then and we are telling people

25:09don't burn why because it burns but if

25:14you are not burning you cannot give heat

25:16and light you cannot give love and

25:18wisdom okay so you need others to give

25:21you verbal

25:23love and verbal wisdom. Okay. So being

25:27selfish means spirituality is first

25:30catching fire. Anything restricting that

25:33catching

25:34fire, you take it out from your life. Be

25:37it a relation or anything not take it

25:40out just you say no I need to first

25:43activate myself. That is where the real

25:45transformation starts into your life

25:47because you realize that nobody can give

25:49you anything till you don't catch fire

25:52because we are not designed to take

25:54things. We are designed to give create

25:58in this cosmos.

26:00There's only one creativity in this

26:02cosmos which is fire.

26:04Okay. So if you do not catch fire, if

26:07you don't become passionate, you cannot

26:10really serve society or your relations.

26:12Are all human beings actually

26:14passionate? And some people forget that

26:16they are. Not forget they're repressed.

26:20Okay.

26:21Because of the judgments of religions

26:23and social structures and moral

26:24structures. Be nice. Love others. You

26:28should. No, you tell a child you be

26:30yourself and burn. Love and wisdom will

26:32happen. Okay. It has to happen. It's a

26:36nature, right? But why are parents

26:38scared of letting children be the way

26:40they are?

26:42because they are also trained to not to

26:44be the way they are. So they say this is

26:46how it works. Okay. Somebody has to

26:50break that pattern. No. Yes. You know

26:53and there is a fear

26:56behind allowing the shy cuz shaky is

26:59rebellious.

27:01It will break structures. It will form

27:03new

27:04formations. But societies can't run on

27:06that. No. Society needs slaves to repeat

27:10what patterns are

27:12set. So the kalyuga is people are

27:15trapped into the structures formed by

27:17others

27:20and we're imposing them on children on

27:22ourselves. So that longing that all of

27:26us have is to break out of the structure

27:28and let the shi flow through us. Yeah.

27:31Now here you have to

27:33remember shi when it breaks structure it

27:36is breaking structure for something new.

27:38Okay. But when we break structures it is

27:41dead end in itself. We're just breaking

27:43but we have nothing new to offer. Okay.

27:46That's what hippies did. We don't follow

27:47this system. We will live freely. But

27:50that freedom if it's not for creativity

27:52then that freedom will kill you. Okay.

27:55It's stagnant. Okay. Like people are

27:58doing yoga, they're becoming healthy,

28:00but they do not know what to do with

28:02their

28:02health and then they go into the same

28:05old habits of the mind to indulge to do

28:10stupid things. M so that's why I insist

28:14on creativity that if you become

28:16spiritual you will have lots of energy

28:18available because you have taken it out

28:21of your unnecessary investments of you

28:23know relations and what do you say

28:25obligations and all that. Now if you do

28:28not have something creative to do that

28:30energy will drive you crazy. Yeah. So

28:32that's what kini means. They said don't

28:34awaken your kundalini because kini means

28:37creativity of the cosmos and you're

28:39bringing activating into your system. If

28:42you are not like a cosmos creating

28:44infinitely that very kini will drive you

28:47crazy. It will it can kill you also. You

28:50see you are like a 50 bulb and suddenly

28:53million volts are flowing through you.

28:55Okay. It'll burst your system. Oh we

28:57can't handle it. We can't handle it

28:59because we are not trained to live

29:02beyond few thoughts.

29:03Okay, that is the structure you're bound

29:06into. So what basically happens to us

29:09spiritually when the kundalini awakening

29:11happens. Let's say whole life is

29:13kundalini. Okay, it's a movement of

29:16kundalini which you see. Okay, shaky the

29:19creativity.

29:22So within us at the root of our spine

29:24there is a dormant force the cosmic

29:27force from where we are kind of taking

29:30little bit of it to function. For

29:33example when a child is born he's

29:35basically born with a fully functional.

29:39Okay that's why children are so

29:40beautiful and they're enjoying

29:42everything because they even touch it's

29:44a full electric touch. They're not

29:46thinking anything. So they are one with

29:49life. When kini awakens you become one

29:52with life. Why kini drives you crazy?

29:55Because you have a mind which is not one

29:56with life. It questions says what is

29:58this? What is that? So accordingly your

30:01body is also

30:02rigid. So most of the problems which

30:05happens when energy awakens if your

30:07system is not flowing and at ease it'll

30:11it's like pressure cooker you know. Kini

30:14is like you're putting on the fire but

30:16the top lid is blocked. Okay. So that's

30:21why disasters happen when without a guru

30:24or without right kind of physical and

30:27mental training you awaken your kini.

30:29Okay.

30:31Cuz that's why many of the

30:35saints at a young age they were able to

30:39do that because there was no

30:40conditioning on the energy. So when your

30:43energy becomes unconditioned, mind

30:46becomes unconditioned, then your shy

30:49starts to expand and move.

30:53Okay. So you said when you started off

30:55with understanding about life and the

30:58truth, the first encounter you had was

31:00with Osho's teachings. Do you feel a lot

31:03of Osho's teachings are misunderstood?

31:06You see, no guru's teaches teachings can

31:09be understood intellectually. Okay. Cuz

31:12what I thought I heard Osho and what I

31:15thought he meant was and today what I

31:17think is completely different. Okay.

31:20Because if I tell you sweet

31:24but you have not tasted sweet. So you

31:26have concepts and philosophies about

31:27sweet but when you actually taste whole

31:30philosophies go out of window. Then you

31:32also know which was closest to this

31:34experience.

31:35Right. Right.

31:37So spiritual or guru is talking about

31:40the experiential thing not a

31:43philosophy. But mistake happens is that

31:45we think gita or all the scriptures are

31:48philosophies. No

31:50they are recipes to be cooked not to be

31:53talked about.

31:56Wow. So when you have a recipe you don't

31:59say that which recipe is right. No you

32:01start

32:02cooking because your body needs food. It

32:05doesn't need recipe and we think

32:07scriptures and all that these

32:09recipes I'm dying of hunger and I have

32:12collected 100 recipes and then I say why

32:15I'm not feeling what I wanted to feel

32:17cuz you're not eating anything yet. So

32:21need of your being is to eat a truth.

32:26Okay. Is that why we feel the sense of

32:29peace and ease when we are in the

32:31presence of a guru? Yes.

32:33Because you are with life only. No

32:37you are alive but you're not with

32:39yourself. Through guru you learn to be

32:42with life. Then you realize actually

32:44there's no guru out there. You're

32:48basically being with your life. Just

32:51guru became a medium for you to be with

32:54your life. Okay. And feeling it. That's

32:57all. Then life decides.

33:01Okay. People think now you become

33:03enlightened now you should open an

33:04ashum. No, no guru ever tries to open an

33:07ashum. It happens if there is need.

33:11Otherwise this is huge

33:14ashum if you know how to look at it.

33:17This is a huge ashram going

33:19on. They're not separate ashrams in

33:21Egypt and this is the temple. If the

33:24soul truly knows that it is coming from

33:27the creator itself, what is his entire

33:30maya of birth and death? What is the

33:32purpose of it? There is no soul. Okay.

33:35It's like this. You think that a wave

33:37arises and you think it has a separate

33:40soul in it, water in it. It's the whole

33:43ocean itself. Right. Right. So this is

33:46one of the basic uh duality which

33:49misguides people that there is a

33:51separate soul. You have separate and I

33:53have separate. Okay. Is this

33:57electric? Let's come back at Kali.

34:00Is the same shi which is flowing through

34:02you from me. So you think there are two

34:05separate electricities? No. So a sun

34:10shines and in a pond there are many

34:13waves and you see hundreds of

34:16suns. You think there are hundreds of

34:18suns? No. So this reflected light of

34:21that divine into you, you can call it a

34:24separate soul but it is

34:25misinterpretation. Okay. Is it the

34:29illusion of separation? Yeah. What

34:31creates the illusion of separation?

34:33Words.

34:35Okay. When you say soul and

34:38body, this is illusion. There is no soul

34:41and body. There is just one presence

34:45which appears as body as cosmos.

34:48as matter, as stone, as a bird, as you,

34:52as a thought, as a movement.

34:55Okay. So basically that one is playing

35:00Gaitri and Satya and talking about

35:02itself. It's very narcissist.

35:10Uh ocean is telling the waves to talk

35:13about me, please.

35:17It's actually crazy to think about it.

35:19But what I want to understand

35:21is everything in this universe has a

35:24purpose according to me. What would have

35:27been the actual purpose of the mind?

35:29First take this idea of purpose out.

35:31Okay, because that is misguiding and

35:33torturing so many what is my purpose?

35:36Okay, are you crazy? Purpose means you

35:39are not free anymore. Purposes are

35:41something let's say we should start

35:44asking. M what is my play in this life?

35:48M which play to play? Okay. Creativity

35:52is your purpose. You're supposed to

35:55invent next moment. Not think that this

35:58is a destiny how it will happen because

36:01there is no time in this cosmos. Right.

36:03Right. So you think somewhere destiny

36:05fits into

36:06that. Destiny is all about tomorrow.

36:10Purpose is all about tomorrow. Correct.

36:12to be here and participate and engage is

36:16your only purpose and this decides what

36:20it will create next.

36:22Okay. So that is what you say

36:26the

36:27divine direction of life then even you I

36:32remember once in dishes I was talking to

36:33a babai gi. Mhm. And what he said scared

36:36me but then I saw the

36:38point. He said as I said Baba how to

36:41come to know that what will happen

36:45next? He said what if God also doesn't

36:48know what will happen next?

36:51Okay cuz if you are a Brahma the creator

36:53why you need to know what will happen I

36:55will create but then why we don't allow

36:59that freedom to ourselves because we

37:00want to blame on others and destiny.

37:03Okay. To become creator means you're

37:05fully responsible for now. Whatever you

37:07create, you're going to live that and

37:09you have most of the

37:12people don't want to have. People talk

37:15about freedom but they don't. Freedom

37:18means being I am fully responsible for

37:20what I feel and who I am. Right? Then

37:22freedom is gifted to you. Yes. Now

37:25you're going to take next step on your

37:27authority. Yes. Not saying because of

37:30you I'm doing this. I am doing I am

37:31willing to face every consequence of it

37:33right then you are the divine itself

37:37who is moving for the joy of it not for

37:41the purpose of it right but by essence

37:46what

37:47Krishna's karam yog is about act out of

37:51the joy of action right when he says

37:54that don't have any vasa about future

37:59he didn't say than other thing because

38:01then people will make it another game.

38:03When you have no wasa out there, your

38:05energy gets focused here and when your

38:08energy is here, it becomes joy. Right?

38:12When energy is fully present, it becomes

38:15vibration and you love to

38:18vibrate. That's what happens with drugs.

38:21That's what happens with sex. For some

38:22time, you are in the present vibrating

38:24and you think it's because of woman or

38:26man or the drug you're feeling this. No,

38:28you're feeling yourself without any

38:30future or past. You're just vibrating

38:32here, right? And that is state of

38:34suchand or the divine or whatever,

38:38right? But why is the mind always

38:41looking at the past or projecting in the

38:43future? Why does it do that? Because

38:46mind is made of that memories and

38:48thoughts. Okay. Okay. So it will refer

38:53only to what it has known and project

38:55what it has known into the future as

38:58future. Okay. But both are illusions.

39:01Nothing ever happened in the past and

39:04nothing ever happens in the future. It

39:06all happens here. So being in the

39:09present moment is very similar to being

39:11mindless.

39:13No. Then becoming the mind of the

39:15cosmos. Right now you're a small mind.

39:18Okay. And mind of cosmos is not a

39:21information thought. Yeah. It is it

39:24looks empty but it is like sky looks

39:28empty but it contains the whole cosmos.

39:31We think mind as thoughts. No mind is

39:34many many things. It's a movement also.

39:37It's a feeling also.

39:40And even thoughts don't come from the

39:43mind. It's a

39:45perception of the Shiva let's say. which

39:49becomes a thought in us. You know, but

39:51even scientists do not know where the

39:53thoughts come from, right? Thoughts come

39:56from brain is like an antenna. It

39:59catches the thoughts of

40:01the life depending on what frequency we

40:05are vibrating at. Yeah. But if where we

40:08have gone wrong is that we have become a

40:11memory bank as a mind. Okay. We are not

40:14into that empty space where the new

40:17signals of present cosmos can vibrate us

40:20and make us

40:22creative. We are only trying to repeat

40:24the past signals and because why we do

40:27that to stay secure because you know

40:29what is going to be the result. Right.

40:31Right. But when that comes

40:33in creativity is insecure. It always

40:37brings something new and new is what we

40:41are afraid of. We do not love life. We

40:43are afraid of life because life is

40:45always new. You know what new means?

40:48Death of the old, right? And we are

40:50afraid of life because it kills your

40:53stories. So you are not living really.

40:57You are dying every day into your

40:59thoughts. So we're basically not scared

41:01of the unknown. We're scared of

41:04something that could happen in the

41:06unknown that I'm not prepared for. Yeah.

41:09And mind is never prepared.

41:11Okay. It wants only what it knows. That

41:15is the property of the mind. It is

41:18property of his memory. That's all.

41:20Okay. How do we transcend it? One way is

41:23totality. Become total energy. Mhm.

41:26Engage with the present action. Mhm.

41:30Mind thinks only when it's not living.

41:35Cuz you see mind is not a problem. It's

41:37a tool for the service of life. Correct?

41:40But whereas with our conditioning we

41:43have made whole life for the service of

41:45mind. That's what kju guys.

41:48Okay. Right. Yes. So when you become

41:50totally in

41:52action then mind thinking mind dissolves

41:56it becomes the action. Other method is

41:59watch your thoughts. Don't engage with

42:01your thoughts. Discrimination will come.

42:04You will see clearly that this is just a

42:05thought. It's not a reality. M so then

42:09when there is no thought you are in the

42:11present and spontaneous action comes out

42:13of that but our actions are not

42:15spontaneous they are calculated

42:18approaches to get profit or efficiency

42:20or the results yes

42:23so that's

42:24why for example when you're dancing a

42:26point comes when you're just a dance yes

42:30you're experiencing Krishna the divine

42:32the total nataraj dancing because who is

42:35dancing you no Yeah. Is those particles

42:39that natal is dancing, right? So that's

42:42why surrender is insisted on this path

42:44of totality devotion. Okay. Other is

42:48yogic path or Buddha's path.

42:52Don't participate with your stories in

42:55the head. So when you watch your mind,

42:58one of the method is focus on the gap

43:00between the thoughts,

43:02not on thoughts. You jumping from

43:04thought to thought. A meditator is

43:07staying with the gaps. So whatever you

43:10insist on that will start to expand in

43:12you. But if you insist on thoughts more

43:14thoughts will come. But if you insist on

43:17that silence for example you see there

43:19are clouds right? You can see only the

43:22clouds. But if I ask you to become aware

43:24of the sky in which there are clouds.

43:28Similarly when you close your eyes

43:29become aware of the presence in which

43:31thoughts are going on. Okay. So then you

43:34will know thoughts just come and go. But

43:36right now they are your whole story.

43:38Yes. Yes. So but when you see it

43:40something comes and

43:42goes you're disconnecting from the ego

43:45mind. Ego mind is nothing but repeating

43:48thoughts. People love drama stories

43:52gossip because with each thought you

43:54feel you exist as a thinker.

43:57Correct. Yeah. Like Krishna Morti says

43:59thinker is the thought. There are two

44:02separate entities. When you are not

44:04thinking there is no thinker. Yeah.

44:07So thinker is the thoughts. Sky is the

44:10cloud. So you keep speaking a lot about

44:13Shiva and Shaki. What is Shiva according

44:16to you? Let's say this all is Shiva.

44:20It's like you're asking me tell me which

44:22wave is the

44:24ocean? It's a wrong

44:26question. Is there anything else other

44:29than Shiva?

44:30When did this realization happen?

44:33Again there are two paths. One is a

44:35sudden which is yoga. One day you boom

44:38explode into and other is of devotion or

44:41totality. It slowly drop by drop sinks

44:44into you and it's the most beautiful way

44:48because yoga it's lots of suffering,

44:51lots of fighting desires and this and

44:52that. But in other path it's like you're

44:56not suddenly flooded but you are made

44:58used to its presence drop by drop.

45:02You're tasting it in every action. You

45:04keep reminding that you

45:05know and slowly your mind starts to see

45:08then you start to feel that okay no need

45:11for enlightenment no need for world it's

45:14always Shiva and Shaki every given

45:17moment this conversation you are

45:20listening I'm speaking this talk is

45:23shaky and Shiva

45:25together so this is

45:27called siman in devotion you constantly

45:31remember this you don't need any

45:33technique

45:34tech even every action will become

45:37prosperous into

45:38you because when you're all there

45:42revering Shiva and Shaki in your actions

45:44in your

45:46talks of

45:48course they're creating a cosmos why

45:50they can't create your life but we deny

45:53them we think my thought is right

45:56so constant

45:58remembrance one beautiful technique in

46:02vigan barantra Shiva says

46:04that world is known through knower and

46:07the known

46:09knower and the known. Consider them as

46:12one

46:14being. So when you're looking at a tree

46:17not you looking at a tree it's one being

46:20only. Yeah. One side is looking other

46:22side it's

46:23tree. That is bacti is intimacy with

46:28everything. Does tantra also talk about

46:31this? Yeah. But why is it so

46:33misunderstood?

46:35Because people are afraid of energy

46:37which is sex and all that. So that's

46:38misunderstood. And when you

46:40see if you really understand Shaki, you

46:43have to see her dark side also. Okay. It

46:46destroys, it kills, it's a murderer,

46:48it's war also. Okay. But in total, life

46:52is neither good nor bad. It just is.

46:56Okay. So Tantra speaks a lot about the

46:58sexual energy, right?

47:00But where are people getting it wrong

47:03when it comes to the sexual energy?

47:05Tantra Vigan bear tantra has only four

47:08techniques of sex. Okay. Rest and

47:12uh eight

47:14techniques are about various

47:18approaches to understand divine through

47:21body, through senses, through eyes,

47:23through ears. But somehow people think

47:25tantra is all about sex. Yes. Till you

47:28do not have reverence for shi sex tantra

47:31practice will become a game for your

47:34lust. Okay. In old times when they used

47:36to do tantra practice guru will ask a

47:38couple first to worship each other for 3

47:40years before touching each other. Okay.

47:43Till I don't see divine into you. You do

47:45not see divine into me. Till then guru

47:47will say you cannot touch her. Once I

47:50see divine into you then he will say now

47:52you can interact because now you are not

47:56interacting with the woman of your

47:57fantasy or the man of your whatever you

48:00are not seeing the Shiva in her shy in

48:02her and that's what who you are

48:05touching. So as Krishna says howsoever

48:07you perceive me that's how I will appear

48:09to you. So if I see a goddess into you

48:12and touch you like that your goddess

48:14will wake up. But if I see a into

48:16you, I'm creating a out of you

48:18through my touch. Wow. So that's why in

48:22relations we are forming each other by

48:24our projections and

48:25expectations. Why you like to be around

48:28guru? He doesn't see you as a person. He

48:30sees you divine has come as a disciple.

48:34You feel great but you do not know why

48:36you're feeling great. Yeah. Because he's

48:38not acknowledging your story. M he's

48:40acknowledging that which is and that can

48:43be sensed by me. Yeah. If you're really

48:46receptive and open and if you have no

48:47inferiority complex and self-rejection.

48:50No, no, no. I can't be divine. Ah okay.

48:52You see there are two kind of egos. I am

48:54something special and I am not special.

48:56Okay. Soal humility is called is very

48:58egoless. Oh I am nothing. That is also

49:00ego. I am nothing.

49:02[Music]

49:04Who are you to say I am nothing? You are

49:06everything. Yeah, it includes every

49:09color of you, good and bad. Till you

49:13don't accept your dark side and positive

49:16side together as one, as negative,

49:20positive, as light and shadow, till then

49:22you cannot have experience of Shiva. So

49:26when we speak about being the most

49:27authentic version of ourselves, a lot of

49:30people find it very difficult and they

49:32have a mask or a

49:34facade because this is my understanding.

49:37I believe people have rejected parts of

49:39themselves and they've judged enough

49:41parts of themselves and now they when

49:43they go out into the world they're very

49:44terrified about the fact that somebody

49:46else will judge them for what they've

49:47been judging about themselves.

49:50So, how does one truly tap into their

49:53authenticity to understand that they're

49:55bigger than their thoughts and they're

49:57not theirs? How does one get to that

49:59point? You have to first get out of the

50:04crutch of thoughts. Like Krishna Morti

50:08says, seeing thought as a thought is

50:10freedom.

50:12Yeah. But if I'm judging you, I see it

50:15as a truth. I am bound by the judgment.

50:17But when I see that judgment just a

50:19thought, it has nothing to do with

50:22Gaitri. I am experiencing you as an

50:25energy. I as an energy connecting with

50:28your energy.

50:31So people reject their energy because of

50:35prominent ideas, dominant ideas in

50:37society. This is good, this is bad. We

50:39impose on our energy. We restrict our

50:41energy. Now I have something hidden and

50:45restricted and I'm showing something

50:48which is hypocritical. So now I'm

50:50constantly afraid. I'm afraid to be

50:52vulnerable because why you think people

50:55feel betrayed in love? Because they like

50:57each other. But once they come together

50:59they realize it's completely other

51:01person. Yes. If I cannot face my dark

51:03side, I cannot really love other because

51:05when I will come close to a woman or a

51:07man or anybody, I will see the dark side

51:10also. M and then couples also reject I

51:13don't like that part of

51:15you. So love means to be seen as you

51:18are.

51:20To create means to be seen as you are. I

51:25can change or create only when I see all

51:27of you as you are because I say I have

51:31no problem with any aspect of you. In

51:34that you start to expand. Otherwise when

51:37I'm rejecting you're contracting and

51:39that's how each relationship is killing

51:42each other in the name of love and

51:45everything

51:46otherwise we're supposed to expand with

51:49each other

51:52in especially in culture like Punjab

51:55getting

51:56angry is considered as a sign of

51:59intimacy

52:01yes there are certain movies that also

52:03portray that yeah because in anger I am

52:06showing intimacy. You know anger is not

52:08against love. Indifference is against

52:11love. I don't

52:12care. That is worse than hate. In hate

52:16I'm still

52:17passionate because one day that hate

52:19will turn into friendship. But in

52:22indifference does not matter you exist

52:24or not. So indifference should be about

52:27your thoughts.

52:29Your mind will then

52:31die. But for relations are concerned you

52:34have to be intense

52:37show all aspect of you and let other

52:40show their all aspects and this is what

52:43you will see

52:44that deep intimacy happens if I get

52:47comfortable to express whosoever I am.

52:49Yes I met so many men and women in my

52:53lifetime even when I meet I see in all

52:57of them just one thing going on that

52:59they haven't been touched yet.

53:01Nobody has really looked at them yet.

53:04Everybody seeing their projections,

53:06their

53:07expectations. And the deepest aspect of

53:10a woman where she's shaky only, no man

53:13has reached there yet. He's just seeing

53:16one social role and image of woman.

53:19Maybe a wife, maybe a girlfriend or

53:21something. He has not looked at that shi

53:24which is vibrating. And once that shi is

53:27seen, that's what tantra is. If I see

53:31your shi, you will become aware of

53:33yourself as shy. If I see a Buddha in

53:36you, you will become aware of your

53:37Buddha inside

53:39you. But people are looking their

53:42stories and you become a reflecting

53:46energy. You will become their story

53:50and that's where you will feel that you

53:51are no more yourself.

53:53So that's how we

53:55are misdirected even by the people's

53:58expectations even without their saying

54:00anything but if you are seen as you are

54:03but for that don't expect others to see

54:06you as you are but first be daring close

54:10your eyes that's why my first exercise I

54:12tell students before you enter any

54:15meditation every day in the morning

54:17write three four pages whatsoever is

54:19going on write about yourself the aspect

54:22you Do not talk to anybody. Keep on

54:24writing. Once you put it out, then look

54:27at it without judgment. You know, while

54:29you're writing, once you have to reveal

54:32to yourself what all you think, what you

54:34really think. Many thoughts you don't

54:36allow yourself to think, allow them to

54:39be written. Once you put that self out,

54:42they all become part of your one unified

54:44mind. Then you will have no problem with

54:47others thoughts. M what we reject in

54:49others is exactly the same thing we

54:52reject in ourselves. Yes. If I accept

54:55myself being angry and aggressive, I

54:57will not judge anybody. Correct.

55:00Have you seen children when they get

55:02angry? It's so beautiful. Mhm. And it's

55:05over just like that also. Yes. And

55:07people get angry, it's ugly and it goes

55:10for years. Yes.

55:13Yeah. So basically any form of a

55:16judgment on the outside is actually a

55:18judgment of our own self. Yes. Because

55:20there is no out in. It's one life only,

55:22one energy. Is that why people say what

55:25you see in others is a reflection of who

55:27you are? Yeah. Both beauty and things

55:30that are ugly.

55:32Most of the you know like creative

55:35people why they go crazy is that because

55:38they chose beauty and all that but then

55:40later on because they opened their eyes

55:43and they were trained in a specific way

55:46and they wanted to see only beauty but

55:49because I'm aware of beauty I will

55:52become aware of the ugliness as well.

55:54Okay. And they want to avoid that and

55:57that's why they go crazy. They judge

56:00that

56:01darkness because they have seen light.

56:04So point the whole point of this is

56:06that life by vibration is beautiful

56:10which contains both the ugly and

56:13beautiful. Okay, you understand what I'm

56:15saying? It's

56:17life. In fact, if you really feel life,

56:20then there's nothing really ugly going

56:22on.

56:24It's just because it's just vibration of

56:26the same. So that's why in love you

56:29don't mind the negative aspects of your

56:32lover. You find them beautiful. So

56:35that's where the bacti aspect is that no

56:38matter what's happening it's beautiful.

56:41See so the thought is the real issue

56:44with

56:45ideas actually again there are words

56:48beautiful and ugly otherwise it's just

56:51life isn't it? So when it comes to this

56:54one particular uh quote by Rome that

56:57says what you seek is seeking you for me

57:01I think over the last few years it has

57:03had multiple meanings the first meaning

57:04that I started to understand out of it

57:06is because I believe in the process of

57:08conscious manifestation you can

57:10co-create your life with the universe

57:12for me the first understanding of that

57:14was whatever you're seeking for if there

57:16is a desire in your heart about

57:17something the desire also wants you the

57:20energy of the desire also wants you and

57:22that's exactly why the desire has been

57:24placed in your heart. And over the last

57:27few years, my understanding of that has

57:29started to change where now I understand

57:31it from the perspective of what you seek

57:34is within you instead of what you seek

57:36is seeking you. What you seek is within

57:38you. What is your take on that? What you

57:41seek is seeking you. Mhm. I think you're

57:45right how you

57:47say there are two kind of mentalities,

57:50you know. M one are outgoing mentalities

57:52for

57:54them their devotion is to the other

57:58and in today's time that is very rare

58:00today's time we are more self-oriented

58:04so hence your statement that what is

58:06seeking is within you essentially even

58:10in devotion what people find outside is

58:12basically reflection of who they are

58:13inside you know cuz you know the in

58:16Punjabi they say that bullesa says that

58:20ran

58:22Ranja Ranja means the name for God that

58:25I was calling his name Ranja Ranja and I

58:28myself become Ranja. Yeah. So same when

58:32you say Ram Ram Ram the whole

58:34realization is finally realize this is

58:35Ram only chanting Ram. Yeah. And that's

58:38it. So then that's the thing that as I

58:43said darkness wants to become light. So

58:44darkness is seeking light because it's

58:46carrying the light you know. It is

58:49basically the pull of that

58:52life which is going

58:54to circle move in circle rising and

58:59settling. So this is the this is the

59:01movement you know okay

59:04is you're basically getting attracted to

59:07let's say we are kind of divided our

59:10longing is to become one again

59:13so thoughts are keeping you separate

59:15isolated yes and your longing is to feel

59:18yourself as cosmos

59:21not just few pieces tree and people and

59:23this and that so that's what love makes

59:26you experience that's what meditation

59:28makes you experience that's what

59:29devotion makes you experience that

59:31finally you merge

59:34with what you are. What is separating

59:37you is the idea that's why they say drop

59:39the idea you are already one

59:42so that is more technical way of saying

59:45but other the beautiful aspect is that

59:47when Arjun asks Krishna that who you

59:50like he said I like devotey and uh there

59:54are yogis or the vdantic approach I am

59:56only self only self that's fine but he

59:59says that this relationship of with life

1:00:02with as dual that you are that and I am

1:00:05this You say I love that best because

1:00:08such a person is really witness to god

1:00:10how it is. Other is just dissolving they

1:00:13will not see much of it

1:00:16but to become an entity but as a das as

1:00:20a surrendered being then Krishna likes

1:00:23to show his form you see it's one thing

1:00:25to become yogi some tantric and do

1:00:27siddhis and practices and then you find

1:00:29something what you were looking for but

1:00:32then it's completely another when you

1:00:34become a lover you say I don't want

1:00:35anything then that artist shows you his

1:00:39forms then which no yogi gets to

1:00:42Okay. only a devotey gets to see but in

1:00:45India as they say that there is path of

1:00:48only me yoga or only you devotion and

1:00:53all and third path is Buddha's path

1:00:55nothingness

1:00:57this fourth path which chandelier talks

1:00:59about it's called the bhagata

1:01:03intelligence sa they call it it is

1:01:07all it is I also you also nothing also

1:01:12But there is something else also. So

1:01:15that is

1:01:16the in greatest space.

1:01:20It's like it's intelligence it plays as

1:01:24I as devotey like Ramach Krishna if you

1:01:28read all this Dvi she says that I am the

1:01:31Brahma, I am the clouds, I am the

1:01:33Vishnu. What does that mean? Essentially

1:01:35that cosmic wisdom it is mystery and no

1:01:39character but it becomes a yogi also it

1:01:42becomes a devotey also it becomes the

1:01:44divine also for that devotey as

1:01:48howsoever you perceive me that's how I

1:01:50will appear to you so we are given a

1:01:54creativity it's not there is yogic path

1:01:56or this you can really provoke you can

1:01:59really not force what is the right word

1:02:02you can really inspire divine to appear

1:02:05to you with its various forms because

1:02:08you want to

1:02:10appreciate then it's an endless journey

1:02:12that's why they nar and all they never

1:02:14attain liberation because they didn't

1:02:16want revelation they want to see its

1:02:18play

1:02:20so he also needs audience you know wow

1:02:25beautiful and then there is fun other

1:02:27I'm making a painting nobody appreciate

1:02:29what's the point you know no so there

1:02:33should be some appreciator And that's

1:02:34exactly what everybody we you we you

1:02:37don't even need love. To be appreciated

1:02:40is love. We have just given a romantic

1:02:43term to it. Wow. Cuz the moment I see

1:02:46you, that's the only time you exist.

1:02:48Really, what we call love is you first

1:02:51time feel I exist. And that is

1:02:54love. It's not a selfish

1:02:57thing because nobody's looking at you.

1:03:00I'm looking at my thought and you're

1:03:02completely ignored. You have gone shadow

1:03:04and I am projecting my thought onto you.

1:03:07So imagine if you really want to you say

1:03:10I want to see you that's

1:03:12all. Then don't expect one Krishna or

1:03:16one Brahma or one Shiva then get ready

1:03:19to be blown. Yeah. Because it can come

1:03:22to meet you from anywhere. Yeah. So true

1:03:25bi is the ultimate form of surrender

1:03:28where you

1:03:29say let the world be however it wants.

1:03:32Let my life be how it at once. I just

1:03:35want to feel your presence. I want to

1:03:37walk with

1:03:38you. I want to dance with you. This

1:03:41beautiful thing I was reading somebody

1:03:44was saying he said when you lie down and

1:03:47chant then Krishna comes and sit next to

1:03:50you and listens. And if you sit down and

1:03:53chant Krishna comes and stands next to

1:03:56you and listens. And if you stand up and

1:04:00chant then Krishna dances around you.

1:04:02And when you dance and chant then he

1:04:05comes and hugs you. Feel it. So he

1:04:10doesn't want meditators

1:04:11really. He wants dancers. Beautiful. I

1:04:15want to dance with you. You see then the

1:04:18relation is not a deal. It's a

1:04:21relationship of love and

1:04:23friendship. I have no problem how you

1:04:25your forms appear.

1:04:27I welcome

1:04:29all then you will be welcomed all being

1:04:32together is so much joy why would you

1:04:34like anything else and if you're a

1:04:37friend with a

1:04:39king whatever you need will be given

1:04:41because that's not the point at all but

1:04:44for us whole point is what I can

1:04:47get that's why it has corrupted every

1:04:50relation every situation nobody is doing

1:04:52any job any relation without what I get

1:04:55from it If you just give it without any

1:04:58condition, you receive without

1:05:00condition.

1:05:02So when we resist the flow of life,

1:05:04we're also

1:05:06resisting the cosmic dance.

1:05:10Yes. And we do not know how to be

1:05:12friends. Is it scary to be friends?

1:05:17You know, Hanuman's one name is Matria.

1:05:19Okay. Son's one name is Matria. Means

1:05:22friend.

1:05:24When I move my

1:05:25hand, Hanuman, the prana is moving my

1:05:28hand. That means it is always with me.

1:05:31Whatsoever I do, that is a

1:05:33friend. Sun is always there. No matter

1:05:36what seasons, it's always there working

1:05:38for you. That's why he's the best

1:05:40friend. So who is your best friend?

1:05:42Present moment.

1:05:44Rest. Everything comes and go. Your

1:05:46present moment is always with you

1:05:48holding you in your suffering and

1:05:51happiness. to be with the present not as

1:05:54a technique but as a friend. So then

1:05:58vipasna which is a technique if you add

1:06:01friendship with it it becomes

1:06:03bi. So you're sitting and watching

1:06:05breath but being with a friend who is

1:06:08moving through you.

1:06:10So then same meditation is devotional

1:06:12meditation. Okay it's true.

1:06:16So a sense of love or friendship or

1:06:20tantra

1:06:21is enjoying being with each

1:06:24other. So if you really want to ask

1:06:27yourself what is your relation with this

1:06:30life? Do you enjoy being here with

1:06:34yourself or are you

1:06:36arguing with this

1:06:39moment? All desires are arguments,

1:06:42complaints. Otherwise your friend say

1:06:44you are here that's enough I don't need

1:06:47anything else. Even the longingness or

1:06:49the desire to be somewhere else or do

1:06:52something else is coming from a place

1:06:54where you really don't enjoy the present

1:06:57moment. Even the longingness for

1:06:59enlightenment.

1:07:01Yeah. Because if it's a mental thing.

1:07:03Okay. You see it's very interesting

1:07:06thing. We misinterpret this longing.

1:07:07Okay.

1:07:09Kabir has said a prea mean in Hindi when

1:07:13you write prem it is a two and a half

1:07:15letter correct why two and a half letter

1:07:17because love always feels something more

1:07:20is left to give it never feels fulfilled

1:07:23that is the beauty of love okay so this

1:07:25unfulfilledness we think I'll get thing

1:07:27or money I'll be fulfilled no being

1:07:30creative means you have formed but you

1:07:32still have some more to form that is not

1:07:36uh in a way a way to fulfill a desire.

1:07:40That is just the nature of creativity is

1:07:42nature of love is it keeps on giving,

1:07:44keeps on pouring. Okay. That longingness

1:07:47once we know how to differentiate that

1:07:49the longingness that stems from creating

1:07:51more, the need to create more is coming

1:07:54from a space of shi. Yeah. You see they

1:07:56say love is infinite. Why? Because you

1:07:59can never feel that you're done with

1:08:00love. You once you say I have loved you

1:08:02enough now it's over. No, you will have

1:08:05keep on

1:08:06because in each

1:08:08flow you're experiencing something of

1:08:11life you know and that gives you more

1:08:15anund

1:08:17you see the step is like how explained

1:08:21you start with sex then you learn to

1:08:23love

1:08:26these two experiences will give you a

1:08:29understanding of what devotion

1:08:31is People do not know how to be friend

1:08:34or even love somebody and they're

1:08:36talking about

1:08:37devotion. Devotion is to be with no

1:08:41matter what happens all is welcome. That

1:08:46is devotion and

1:08:49that they say is eternal thing.

1:08:53What we are looking for is dead end

1:08:55fulfillment of

1:08:57desires. People

1:08:59say I want this. You know why life

1:09:02doesn't fulfill that? Because you're

1:09:04asking dead end things. If you say make

1:09:07me a garden, life will do that for you

1:09:10because it's it will keep on going. But

1:09:13you want a fridge full of fruits instead

1:09:16of saying make me a garden of

1:09:18fruits. So people are asking wrong

1:09:21things which are not in nature of life.

1:09:23If it fulfills you, it will kill you.

1:09:26Wow. You say make me a flowing river.

1:09:31Give me what I

1:09:32[Music]

1:09:34need. It's willing to fulfill that. But

1:09:38we no no give me that what I want and

1:09:40that is dead end.

1:09:43So when we unconsciously choose the dead

1:09:45end, it's coming from a place where we

1:09:48are trying to fill a void that we think

1:09:50this dead end will fill. Yes. And life

1:09:53knows that is not the answer to your

1:09:55question. It is giving us something

1:09:57else. But we resist this because this is

1:09:59not what I asked for. And when life is

1:10:02making you a river, you resist that. You

1:10:05call it

1:10:06suffering. That I was happy with one

1:10:08puddle. Now you're making me flow.

1:10:10You're changing

1:10:12everything. So that's why when you

1:10:16really understand life, life has no

1:10:17problem to fulfill what you because see

1:10:19dialogue.

1:10:21See what were all our prayers in the

1:10:24past were on rigedas and all that they

1:10:27were communications you're appreciating

1:10:29it's beautiful to sun and if there is

1:10:32you see it's a responsive and constantly

1:10:34growing cosmos it also needs human to

1:10:37know what next can be done

1:10:40but what humans are doing fill my pocket

1:10:43but if you say I have this wonderful

1:10:45idea my request is what if if we can

1:10:47expand it

1:10:48it will make it happen Yeah. Because

1:10:51it's not that only my command. No, no,

1:10:53no, no, no. Because he's also sitting in

1:10:55you inventing new commands. Yeah. But we

1:10:59have made our own little

1:11:02beggar request. Give me this, give me

1:11:04that. If you make a command inside that

1:11:08I want this thing to expand. I want many

1:11:10people to feel this. Now you're talking

1:11:13like life. Now you're becoming a friend

1:11:15of life. Mhm. Now you're not saying it's

1:11:18about me. You're saying it's about you.

1:11:20When you say to life it's about you,

1:11:22then whole life becomes about

1:11:25you. In Daoism, LSU says that when

1:11:30you surrender to

1:11:32nature, whole nature starts to serve

1:11:35you. Yeah. So

1:11:37serving is participating really.

1:11:41Yeah. Wholeheartedly. We have made these

1:11:44words agree. Do the service. Okay. No.

1:11:47No. participate.

1:11:49That's so true because in the last 2 and

1:11:51a half years, the way I've seen my life

1:11:53change was when I came from a

1:11:55perspective of when I am of service to

1:11:58other people, the universe is of service

1:12:00to me.

1:12:02And that perspective truly changed how I

1:12:05started to view the world, view myself

1:12:08and do everything that I do. But do you

1:12:11think it is also human arrogance to

1:12:12believe that we are the most evolved

1:12:14beings in the world? fragmentation and

1:12:17division of idea

1:12:19because we feel inferior that's why we

1:12:22want to be special

1:12:25otherwise this cosmos every particle is

1:12:28super special so

1:12:31this is kind of um most of the effort to

1:12:34become special is coming out of

1:12:36inferiority complex everybody is kind of

1:12:40which culture is better which race is

1:12:42better which path is better it's

1:12:46All you're not valuing the water, you're

1:12:49valuing which

1:12:50river. And whole point is that no matter

1:12:53even puddle has water. Yes. Flowing

1:12:57river

1:12:58has more dimensions.

1:13:01So some people who cannot be river if

1:13:04they don't focus on all that mess but

1:13:06become aware of the water aspect that's

1:13:10what self is.

1:13:11Even in darkness there is like Krishna

1:13:14says very beautiful thing that sir when

1:13:16you are in darkness your awareness that

1:13:19it is dark that is

1:13:24light. So focus on that light which

1:13:28knows it is darkness.

1:13:31The beauty of the life just lives in

1:13:34living this moment and it is constantly

1:13:38improvising and going beyond itself.

1:13:42Do you think that what Buddha

1:13:44experienced or what Rishi's experienced

1:13:465,000 years ago is the same thing of

1:13:48life today what we experience? No. Okay.

1:13:52It is constantly evolving. But you are

1:13:55experiencing what I am experiencing two

1:13:56separate things. There is no general

1:13:59truth.

1:14:00There is no general thing. Each person

1:14:03is experiencing a unique cosmos and

1:14:05unique

1:14:08enlightenment. That's why Ram was

1:14:10unique, Krishna was unique, Sguru is

1:14:14unique, Osho is unique. And how to know

1:14:17somebody is bullshitting when they

1:14:20repeat when they bring in Gas and this

1:14:23and that to make their point. No, make

1:14:26your point. That's what that wants you

1:14:28to make your point. Krishna point I know

1:14:32I know Buddha's point tell me what you

1:14:35see that is where you enter the kingdom

1:14:38of gods really because there is only

1:14:40originality and only way to know what is

1:14:44truth in you when you are original and

1:14:46individual. That's what that appreciates

1:14:48and that's what society hates.

1:14:52Don't be unique and individual. We can't

1:14:55handle you anymore.

1:14:57And look at any artist who was unique

1:15:00and individual, any enlightened who was

1:15:02unique and individual, they were not

1:15:03accepted by their society. Buddha was

1:15:06rejected.

1:15:09Kabir, Buddha, look at anybody. Look at

1:15:12Osho, nobody accepted them. Later on

1:15:14they worshiped. Yeah. Because truth is

1:15:17comfortable as your thought. But as a

1:15:19life fire, it will burn you.

1:15:22So that's why there is so much of what

1:15:25you say dependence on philosophies

1:15:28because you can control that you can

1:15:31analyze it. Sit in front of fire and try

1:15:33to analyze it will burn you. Yeah. Is

1:15:37that why we have so many deities because

1:15:39each deity is a representation of truth

1:15:42itself. Yeah. I give this example that

1:15:47somebody is looking at dity and divine

1:15:50and worshiing its feet.

1:15:53Somebody's woriing the legs. Somebody's

1:15:56woriing the hand. The vishino aspect,

1:15:58leg aspect is bura aspect. Somebody's

1:16:00woriing the head. Shiva aspect. But then

1:16:04there is

1:16:05devotey which is all of

1:16:08you. I want to see all of you. I won't

1:16:11focus on any one

1:16:13part like Ramach Krishna did.

1:16:16He tried every path because he was

1:16:18interested in the whole form of Kali.

1:16:21Okay. Not just one selective one path of

1:16:23that own. No, a lover or a creator is

1:16:26not interested into partial all of you

1:16:30to see all of you. I have to be able to

1:16:32digest all of you also to take it all of

1:16:35you

1:16:36also. So this various you touch a leaf

1:16:40or a branch or a trunk or a root you're

1:16:43touching the same tree there's no need

1:16:45to have an

1:16:47argument so like Krishna keeps on saying

1:16:50in Gita that various people try

1:16:52different go to some do but they say in

1:16:55a roundabout way they all are addressing

1:16:57me cuz what else is there right there is

1:17:02nothing else so the path to

1:17:04understanding the ultimate truth

1:17:06Different people have different paths.

1:17:08So for example Krishna it is bi for

1:17:11Ramana Maharushi self inquiry. For

1:17:13Buddha it is to observe the sensations

1:17:14in the body. So are these all roads to

1:17:18the same destination.

1:17:20It's all roads to become aware what is

1:17:22happening right now depends on your

1:17:26inclination because whatever you talk

1:17:28about Krishna or whatever they are all

1:17:30bringing you here where it is happening

1:17:35full-blown infinite that's why we're

1:17:38afraid of present if you really look

1:17:40when you really become in present you oh

1:17:42my god

1:17:45no end you become aware earth is moving

1:17:48around sun and you're riding on it with

1:17:50a

1:17:50smartphone and it's infinite and not

1:17:54only that multiple cosmoses parallel

1:17:57cosmoses it looks more like a thought

1:18:00rather than actual material happening

1:18:02true that's what Shiva is it's

1:18:05somebody's thought that's when you

1:18:07realize this then you go

1:18:09harrishna oh my god cuz then you see I

1:18:12will understand you can't you can never

1:18:14understand even god doesn't understand

1:18:16himself I

1:18:19What is the need? Whom you will tell?

1:18:22Which university you will talk

1:18:24in? Whole point is Krishna word means

1:18:28crush means

1:18:30the existence

1:18:33means anand

1:18:36bliss. Bliss to

1:18:39exist. And we N Roshu said very

1:18:42beautifully there's a bliss to exist and

1:18:45in living a bliss which you don't like

1:18:48we call it suffering a bliss which you

1:18:50like we call it

1:18:51happiness and that's the duality happens

1:18:54but if you accept both you come

1:18:57across bliss of

1:18:59existing bliss of being friend with

1:19:05this at every given point which is

1:19:08supposed to be where we exactly are at

1:19:11this point of time. Yes, that's it.

1:19:14Because there is only one point which is

1:19:17present. You always are where you are,

1:19:20not even supposed to be.

1:19:24Wow. This changes the

1:19:27entire perspective about life, what we

1:19:31want, where we want to go, literally

1:19:34everything, it just changes. Think out

1:19:36from this point of view. M if there is

1:19:38no time if there is no space

1:19:42right do you think we actually do

1:19:46things or we actually go from one place

1:19:49to another if it's all one energy so do

1:19:52you think there is ever any

1:19:55doing means then it is not

1:19:58doing it is a

1:20:01vibration so this is the vibration of

1:20:03Shiva nobody's doing anything or going

1:20:06anywhere reaching anywhere

1:20:09vibration

1:20:10beautiful thought is going on. You see

1:20:13in the dream you go somewhere did you go

1:20:16anywhere? No.

1:20:18So that's why they say all is illusion

1:20:21but vibration is not that illusion but

1:20:25images you see for example movie you see

1:20:28you're seeing actors doing the different

1:20:30but in reality there is one light

1:20:32standing still and film is going in

1:20:34front. So is there anybody doing

1:20:36anything on the screen? No.

1:20:40You see

1:20:42it sent us micro you know

1:20:46examples. Everything is telling us

1:20:48something. For example, you're looking

1:20:50at a movie. Stay aware there's a light

1:20:53there and film there. You will not get

1:20:57into the story. Oh correct. So that is

1:20:59what the technique is. See everything as

1:21:00a dream. See it as a dream. You will not

1:21:02get attached. Buddha says it's changing.

1:21:05Keep on watching the change. You will

1:21:06not get attached because you're aware of

1:21:09the essential truth of now. It's a

1:21:11constant change. Nothing is staying on.

1:21:13It's moving on. Moving

1:21:15on. Now you're aware of the movement.

1:21:18That movement is

1:21:20Kali the vibration. So staying aware of

1:21:24that movement of mantra not the content

1:21:26of mantra you are entering the present.

1:21:29But people go the journey of mantra.

1:21:31This power that power that is maya it is

1:21:34temporal it will come and go so all the

1:21:36siddhis that rishies get in the journey

1:21:39of going to the ultimate truth are they

1:21:42all distractions and some rishies get

1:21:43distracted

1:21:45vibi vibbuti there is adhai in the yoga

1:21:49sutra on vibis

1:21:51and this whole chapter is the only

1:21:53chapter most of the yogis talk about

1:21:55what powers you get okay but Patanjali

1:21:57Maharaj says avoid these things there

1:22:00will be the distractions coming to you.

1:22:02You'll be able to do this, you'll be

1:22:04able to do that. Avoid this. That was

1:22:06that's a caution chapter. He's not uh

1:22:09writing praises of yogic powers. He's

1:22:12saying that once you start to do yogic

1:22:14practice, these things will happen.

1:22:16Avoid them otherwise you will get

1:22:18distracted.

1:22:19Okay? You are going to get the whole

1:22:21cosmos and you start to catch few stones

1:22:25on the

1:22:26road. That's what they are. Like once

1:22:29Ramach Krishna was taking a walk by

1:22:31Gundi one yogi over there was walking on

1:22:33the water and the disciple a what do you

1:22:36think he said it's for two pya birth two

1:22:40pisa they said why he said for me it

1:22:42takes two pisa to cross the Gangaj in a

1:22:45boat other what is the value in life

1:22:48that you can walk on water you're

1:22:50impressing egos it's your ego trying to

1:22:52impress other ego

1:22:55gurut bahadar ninth sixth guru was asked

1:22:58by Orurange. He went for the case of

1:23:01Shvik Brahinss in in Kashmir that not to

1:23:05be killed and Orurange said that okay I

1:23:10will not do if you can show me your

1:23:12spiritual person and show me some

1:23:13miracle and gurut Bahada said I cannot

1:23:16show you a miracle because it will be a

1:23:18disrespect to the miracle which is going

1:23:20on right

1:23:22now for you walking on water or walking

1:23:25on fire is a miracle. You don't see this

1:23:28miracle which is going on a piece of

1:23:30rock moving around

1:23:32sun infinite cosmos. You are

1:23:35blind and you look I create a card or if

1:23:39call you wow this shows how stupid and

1:23:42idiotic we

1:23:44are healing who am I to interfere with

1:23:47your life if you are supposed to go

1:23:49through a suffering it's the will of

1:23:51life I cannot interfere by healing

1:23:55unless it flows through me and heals you

1:23:57okay that's the point how do you know is

1:24:00the difference that it is flowing

1:24:01through you or you're interfering with

1:24:03the process

1:24:06Criterion is if I think I am doing it.

1:24:09Okay. If you become a doer then

1:24:12consequences are also yours. Yeah. Your

1:24:14sickness will come to me. Yeah. But when

1:24:16I

1:24:17say it will do, it has to. You will

1:24:21never take credit also. The moment you

1:24:23take credit for anything, its karma also

1:24:26comes to you.

1:24:28That much freedom we have. Do you

1:24:30believe in the existence of parallel

1:24:31universes?

1:24:34I don't know what does that really mean.

1:24:36Point is

1:24:37that definitely must be there.

1:24:41One scientist was saying recently that

1:24:43you change something now even your past

1:24:46is changed because it's vibrating now.

1:24:48Yes, that was so that means the child

1:24:50aspect of me that cosmos is still going

1:24:52on.

1:24:56That means future aspect of me that

1:24:58cosmos is still vibrating.

1:25:01But change it doesn't mean it's rigid or

1:25:05destiny. I invent something here it

1:25:08changes everything.

1:25:10That's what creativity brahma is.

1:25:14Otherwise creativity has no scope if

1:25:17there is destiny.

1:25:21If

1:25:22predestined means no point of

1:25:24creativity. Mhm.

1:25:27So if that is the case then what is your

1:25:29take on astrology?

1:25:32Astrology originally was invented to

1:25:35make you see that you are part of one

1:25:38design. So a surrender happens not

1:25:42fatalistic mindbent. Oh everything is

1:25:45predestined.

1:25:46No you become aware that you're part of

1:25:49the circuit. It should bring a joy into

1:25:52your heart that everything you do whole

1:25:55cosmos is participating.

1:26:00You're not

1:26:01alone. This takes a whole cosmos with

1:26:05multiverses to move one finger and you

1:26:09say I am

1:26:10nothing and you say I'm something

1:26:13special. No, you are divine only.

1:26:18Nothing can exist with the whole cosmos

1:26:20along with

1:26:22it. That's why when you say Ram, it is

1:26:25Ram. Because to say Ram, how you think

1:26:29it is happening? Whole cosmos is saying

1:26:32through you Ram. So what it is saying

1:26:35that which exists Ram.

1:26:38Ram people say I am chanting since

1:26:40nothing is happening. No, you're not

1:26:42looking. It is happening. M when you say

1:26:45Ram it is Ram only going Ram Ram that's

1:26:49what Hanuman is into he's only seeing

1:26:52this Ram going on for him there is no

1:26:56past no future so what happens when we

1:26:58recite Hanuman chalisa

1:27:01Hanuman chalisa can only be recited in

1:27:04the present

1:27:06okay

1:27:08so that is

1:27:10Hanuman Hanuman is a life fire not your

1:27:13concept of

1:27:14Armanalisa, not your concept of monkey

1:27:17god or not your concept of this power or

1:27:20that power because there's one power

1:27:22present forming everything once you're

1:27:24plugged in you then does do things by

1:27:28the command of the present the command

1:27:30of Ram

1:27:34and it's a joy to vibrate to his

1:27:38frequency why Hanuman is called

1:27:41dudraatara because he's arising Out of

1:27:43that presence, out of the blue we are

1:27:46appearing. It's all Hanuman. Hanuman

1:27:49means movement of

1:27:52Ram. Whereas Ram, the shiv is just a

1:27:55presence.

1:27:57Basically definition of shi is Hanuman

1:28:01is walking ahead of her. Kali dura

1:28:04bhwani. Okay. Hanuman langur is walking

1:28:07in front of her in da chalisa they say.

1:28:10Okay. That means all the movement you

1:28:13see is Hanuman. It is Kali moving as

1:28:18Hanuman and Kali is a vibration of Shiva

1:28:21the

1:28:22Ram. Why they say Hanuman is messenger

1:28:26of Ram Ram

1:28:28duta as we were talking this is existing

1:28:33it means there is something which is

1:28:34thinking of it that's why it is

1:28:36appearing. So looking at

1:28:39it you become aware of

1:28:42the but if you get stuck with the image

1:28:44why it is like this in Punjab we call

1:28:47hookum hookum

1:28:49means it's more a warrior's way to

1:28:53understand

1:28:55devotion says

1:29:02that mean whosoever has recognized

1:29:04hookum they have understood the secret

1:29:07of prahu

1:29:09sahib. What is the hookum? I ask you the

1:29:13present moment.

1:29:16Whosoever recognizes the hookum of

1:29:19present, you have reached home. How I

1:29:22can go against the hookum. All your

1:29:24desires are against the

1:29:27hookum. All your complaints are against

1:29:30the hookum. You're saying this is not

1:29:33okay. Come on, show me your face. This

1:29:35is not okay.

1:29:38Seriously, you're not looking at me.

1:29:41This is the

1:29:43hookum. So, hookum is what is going on.

1:29:48And once you realize, then ah why I'm

1:29:51fighting. This is the hookum. Present is

1:29:54the hookum. It just changes my entire

1:29:56perspective about life. Welcome to

1:29:58Rishiesh.

1:30:01Why did you choose to be in Rishies? I

1:30:03don't know. I was never going to come

1:30:06here. My friend said just go for 3 days.

1:30:08I came

1:30:09here bus now it's 8 n years now 2017 I

1:30:14came it is a kind of a spiritual

1:30:18headquarters if you know how to be here

1:30:21people just come take selfies and

1:30:24leave otherwise you can reach self by

1:30:27coming here if you forget the selfie.

1:30:30No, it's so true. It's so true. Even

1:30:33when we are not having the conversation,

1:30:35when there is

1:30:36silence, there's some very tranquil

1:30:39peace

1:30:39here. There are lots of Osha was saying

1:30:42that why Gangaj is sacred because

1:30:44millions of people have become

1:30:46enlightened in practice on this banks.

1:30:50So every particle of sand is

1:30:53[Music]

1:30:54vibrating. But what you see these days

1:30:56is beer bottles.

1:31:00Otherwise if you can sit by Gangaji's

1:31:02bank and meditate for at least 2 3 weeks

1:31:07every

1:31:08day within 2 weeks you will start to

1:31:10have experiences but be careful because

1:31:13it's fire. It will destroy many of your

1:31:17ideas about what spiritual is divine is

1:31:20because the actual when it is seen then

1:31:22your spirituality and materiality is

1:31:24forgotten. You start with the idol but

1:31:27then that idol is also taken away

1:31:29because now it wants to meet you. You

1:31:32don't need now

1:31:33idols. When you meet a person, you still

1:31:35keep on calling them their name. No, you

1:31:38forget the name. You see the reality in

1:31:39front. Yeah. So that's how it works.

1:31:44You know what? The day we decided we

1:31:46reached out to your team about doing

1:31:47this podcast, the first question I

1:31:49wanted to ask you was what is the

1:31:51purpose of life? But now I don't have

1:31:54that question.

1:31:57That's why you know

1:31:59Leela play also said that it will take

1:32:02humanity to another thousand years to

1:32:04understand what Krishna was really

1:32:06saying. Right now people are catching

1:32:08according to if they like sound

1:32:11meditation they are catching that

1:32:12chapter is somebody kam yoga but overall

1:32:17it's a play

1:32:19it's a play of seven

1:32:23colors Krishna is the seven colors Ram

1:32:26is the light white light the

1:32:29sun

1:32:30and those seven colors is your destiny

1:32:34but combination is infinite That is

1:32:37where your freedom is.

1:32:39Mhm. Is this conversation also a part of

1:32:41the leela?

1:32:43What is not a part of

1:32:46the I I told you it's

1:32:50narcissist. It likes to be talked about.

1:32:54I

1:32:56think the secret for anything to happen

1:32:59in your life is playfulness.

1:33:03What makes you stressed and cancels your

1:33:05energies your eyes in the future for

1:33:08some result but when you're here just

1:33:11playing then it starts to play with you

1:33:15that's what it meant that when you stand

1:33:17up dance and chant it hugs you so let's

1:33:22just say

1:33:23that I want to be hugged by

1:33:26you that be careful wish will be

1:33:29fulfilled very

1:33:31past and you should be able to handle

1:33:33that

1:33:36current. You see that's we say get me

1:33:38this give me that that is kind of you

1:33:40know putting God to your service you

1:33:43yeah the mind is also kind of terrified

1:33:46about the fact that if I just have this

1:33:48desire I will become desireless

1:33:55yeah desire is essentially creativity

1:33:59the true desire true desire is

1:34:01creativity longing to expand to create

1:34:04more you you don't leave

1:34:07life as you find

1:34:09it. You leave it more beautiful. Once

1:34:12you have that intention, now you are the

1:34:15best friend with

1:34:17life. Mostly people are leaving life

1:34:19uglier than they found. Correct?

1:34:24So yogic path is don't make any change.

1:34:28Leave it as it is. See materialistic

1:34:32path is you leave it bit messed up.

1:34:36Devotion path is you add to its

1:34:39beauty. One is Buddhist non interference

1:34:42just staying at a distance. You don't

1:34:44change anything. You don't

1:34:47interfere but I feel life wants us to

1:34:49participate not to interfere. And mostly

1:34:52people come connect with me they want to

1:34:55like for example example as a human I'm

1:34:57g they want to help but I see they're

1:35:00not participating they're

1:35:02interfering they have an idea how things

1:35:05should

1:35:07be instead of having a dialogue let's

1:35:09play

1:35:13together there is a

1:35:16innocence because life is giving

1:35:18constantly something new it can enter

1:35:20only into a innocent mind, playful mind.

1:35:24But if you're already filled with

1:35:25philosophies and ideas, you will

1:35:28miss every moment. It is new. So that

1:35:32newness is the essence of it. You

1:35:35know, we're always facing present, you

1:35:38know. And it's always a new form, new

1:35:42sound you will hear. Nothing is ever

1:35:44repeated.

1:35:47Even recognizing that you're recognizing

1:35:52what's really going on. Yeah.

1:35:55And once you start to appreciate within

1:35:57you the new the unique that is suadharma

1:36:02and honoring that is the honoring and

1:36:04standing for the divine. Mhm. But we

1:36:07stand for something which is expected of

1:36:11us and we are afraid of something unique

1:36:14rebellious in

1:36:17us and that unique rebellious is the

1:36:20fire the actual light

1:36:24of

1:36:26takuri. It's such an irony right?

1:36:30Most of us feel if people in power are

1:36:34able to view life like this. But the

1:36:36irony is people who view like life like

1:36:40this will never want to be in power.

1:36:43Yeah. It's like

1:36:46u humility is super powerful.

1:36:49Luus says very beautiful example. He

1:36:51says that

1:36:54soft is the most powerful force in the

1:36:57cosmos

1:36:59and whole design of life is to protect

1:37:01the

1:37:03soft and it destroys the

1:37:06hard and we are trying to be hard. Hence

1:37:09we keep on feeling defeat and death. You

1:37:12become soft and vulnerable. whole life

1:37:15will rush to take care of you because in

1:37:18soft you represent the

1:37:21divine. God doesn't need to be

1:37:24hard. It's vulnerable and soft. That's

1:37:27where you experience the beauty of

1:37:30life. Look at the

1:37:32earth. Seed goes into hard inside it

1:37:36like ego. It is afraid I will lose. It

1:37:40will destroy the seed but it doesn't

1:37:42destroy the soft in it.

1:37:44It makes it a tree. So this is the I

1:37:48think the ideal approach towards

1:37:50suffering that suffering is taking your

1:37:52heart out but it will never destroy your

1:37:55soft. It will support it. That's why it

1:37:57is called

1:37:59mother. So but we mistrust life. We

1:38:03think suffering happens. We start to

1:38:04mistrust. No, it is actually making you

1:38:07grow and expand by taking garbage out of

1:38:09you. You are sticking to garbage,

1:38:12clinging to garbage and saying this is

1:38:13my life. Feel lucky that it takes away

1:38:17all that. So if that is the case then

1:38:20the purpose of the emotions that we have

1:38:23is again to bring us back to us to this

1:38:25present moment. Yes. Is it making us

1:38:28aware of something on the inside?

1:38:31You're coming to know your dimensions.

1:38:34You see self-realization is not

1:38:36something which happens after meditation

1:38:38practice. The day you were born, you are

1:38:41experiencing till death only yourself in

1:38:44different experiences. Exactly.

1:38:48So you are supposed to experience

1:38:50yourself, not stuck to few thoughts and

1:38:54concepts or structures or relations and

1:38:56just long for the same thing to happen

1:38:58again and again. Self there's no

1:39:01self-realization. There is self

1:39:07realizing like Ramana says that if

1:39:09you're looking at a tree you're not only

1:39:11looking at a tree you're looking at

1:39:13yourself also which is aware of the tree

1:39:16but if you really look if you're

1:39:18thinking and looking you are not aware

1:39:19of yourself you're bound to become aware

1:39:22like Shiva says in one technique as soon

1:39:25as attention

1:39:29als means as soon as you become come

1:39:32aware of something. You're not becoming

1:39:34aware of the tree.

1:39:37You're becoming aware of yourself as a

1:39:40tree.

1:39:41Karthika which becomes whatever it does,

1:39:44whatever it sees, it becomes

1:39:47that Shiva has become tree, become wall,

1:39:51has become you, has become me, has

1:39:53become this gesture and is talking.

1:39:57So it's up to you meet it directly or

1:40:00meet it through

1:40:01technique. It pleases him if you meet

1:40:04directly.

1:40:07So what is the true essence of Gita?

1:40:13Krishna. Krishna is the essence of

1:40:16Gita. Krishna means this

1:40:20total Jagat Guru. Present is the Jagat

1:40:24Guru. Look at all the enlightened

1:40:26people. When did they speak?

1:40:30Present. Who is talking right now? And

1:40:32who is listening right now? Present.

1:40:35So the real guru is not Ramana or

1:40:37Krishna but the

1:40:39present. It appears as Krishna or Ramana

1:40:43or Rama

1:40:45or the

1:40:47Tatria. And can you see the play the fun

1:40:50of it? Yeah. Each time unique new form

1:40:52talking some new philosophy.

1:40:56But the essence is just the same about

1:40:59essence is this life. Yes. As it is with

1:41:02every form included. You make no

1:41:08choice.

1:41:09Then you see that then you come to the

1:41:13belly. Not in the head not in the total

1:41:17electric with all its possibilities of

1:41:20apps it can play. When you just embrace

1:41:24and are very comfortable with the

1:41:26present moment, there's literally

1:41:27nothing to be scared of, right?

1:41:30Fear is about tomorrow. Yeah. And once

1:41:33you realize

1:41:35fallacy of tomorrow, I tell people that

1:41:38you have to become expert into present

1:41:42action, you will not be scared of

1:41:43anything because all you ever got is

1:41:46present action. If you know how to do it

1:41:48totally, you know this does everything.

1:41:56And when we start enjoying the present

1:41:58moment, enjoying the process of doing

1:42:01what we're doing, then we not waiting

1:42:03for the destination to show up.

1:42:06No.

1:42:08Because like a

1:42:10circle, you stand on any point on a

1:42:12circle, it is beginning also, it is end

1:42:14also. Yeah. And Vishnu is called

1:42:18the chakra

1:42:21dhari. This circular movement is the

1:42:24point. Every given moment is the end of

1:42:27what you have known till now and it's

1:42:30also the beginning. Let me say it in a

1:42:32more funny way. On earth you can stand

1:42:35anywhere and start to

1:42:37walk. You will reach the same place

1:42:40where you started from. Right? Basically

1:42:43you're chasing your own butt.

1:42:46So that's what realization is. Trying to

1:42:48catch your own tail. Then you realize

1:42:51why I'm trying to catch it. I have it.

1:42:53Yeah. Yeah. Why I'm trying to look at my

1:42:56butt? I have it. Sit on it. Work with

1:42:59it.

1:43:04This is just amazing. This entire

1:43:06conversation I don't know when we walked

1:43:10inside it's done some shift inside of me

1:43:14with respect to my desires with respect

1:43:17to viewing life with respect to

1:43:20literally everything. What helps people

1:43:23most will most is you have to be more

1:43:25like approach it more like an art more

1:43:28like

1:43:29music cuz mantra's meanings are not in

1:43:32the words but the sound the music of

1:43:36it essentially how it is said is that it

1:43:39is

1:43:41artwork we are seeing it as a factory

1:43:44production we do not know how to

1:43:46appreciate the artwork

1:43:49so most of the people who discovered or

1:43:52came closer to the

1:43:54truth. They're mostly artists. Their

1:43:57approach was very artistic. Yeah.

1:44:00Cuz art includes

1:44:03efficiency as well as prosperity.

1:44:07For a inventor, it's more like a art

1:44:09form, but it ends up benefiting. Yes.

1:44:12There's an outcome. Yeah. It's the logic

1:44:16and poetry together. That's what art is.

1:44:19You know you you have to be very

1:44:21scientific to learn painting.

1:44:23[Music]

1:44:25So and again with science you have to be

1:44:28a little poetic to understand deeper

1:44:30meanings. You can look at the all the

1:44:32scientists

1:44:33life they had some crazy bent to them.

1:44:37Yeah that's why they could invent

1:44:39something. Yeah that's true. So that's

1:44:41how it works.

1:44:44Satya G one last question before we wind

1:44:47up. If you just have

1:44:49to say what is at the depth of your

1:44:53heart at this point of time, what would

1:44:55it be?

1:44:57Haven't I said enough?

1:45:02It was all from death of the heart.

1:45:06I would say

1:45:07that what is said in opishads, the

1:45:10highest quality of spirituality is

1:45:13shan.

1:45:15Listen, it's going

1:45:18on. Only good speakers, good singers are

1:45:21who are good

1:45:22listeners cuz it teaches you. You

1:45:26speak. What we are suffering from is

1:45:28everybody is talking. Nobody's

1:45:30listening. What is the frustration in

1:45:32relations? You don't listen to

1:45:35me. I will listen to you only when I

1:45:37have time from speaking.

1:45:40So when you

1:45:42listen your whole life shifts

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1:45:46from listening is taking

1:45:50birthma

1:45:52water ra the fire is called

1:45:56death

1:45:57rah then you take birth then again you

1:46:01die expresses fire and take birth but

1:46:04listening is the

1:46:07key we never really Listen, we throw

1:46:10thoughts at

1:46:11things.

1:46:13Otherwise, sermon is going on

1:46:17non-stop. What do you think this is

1:46:19going on? Who do you think it

1:46:22is? You think that's

1:46:27cuckoo? It is sun making a sound as a

1:46:32cuckoo. Sun is called Brahma, Vishnu

1:46:35Mahesh. It makes us, gives us

1:46:39birth, then sustains

1:46:43us, destroys

1:46:45us. Sun, you know, it burns things,

1:46:50sustains things and give birth to

1:46:53me. That's why sun is called. It's

1:46:56making the sound

1:46:59of So it's somebody's thought you

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1:47:04know if you don't meet it here forget

1:47:07about it you won't meet it anywhere

1:47:09anywhere

1:47:11and that's what most people are waiting

1:47:12after I do these techniques and all

1:47:14thing is you don't really want to meet

1:47:16you just want to have your trip

1:47:18somewhere yeah yeah your idea of what it

1:47:20feels

1:47:37Yeah. You want liberation? Okay, take

1:47:40it. Just

1:47:43go. I don't know. Generally, I finish

1:47:45the podcast with so many lines with you.

1:47:47I just want to say thank you. Thank you.

1:47:51Thank you.

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