Martyna Byczkowska: 1670, La Petite Mort i granica prywatności

0:00I suspected him of killing children and

0:02cloning people . And I generally wanted

0:05this theory in elementary school . It

0:07was a very upsetting moment for me ,

0:09losing several friends from my class .

0:10Were you fighting

0:11over a boy ?

0:13I got hit in the face with a phone ,

0:15right in the nose .

0:17And what happened afterward ?

0:18Exactly , because I'm not generally the

0:20type of person who , you know , is

0:22impulsive , and I don't like arguing

0:24because I think shouting at someone is

0:26a way to marinate energy . I prefer to

0:29wait and cool down , not get carried

0:30away .

0:31Yes , yes , yes , yes . But when I was

0:35younger , I think I had a surge of

0:36aggression . It happened , and I did lash

0:39out at her . The math teacher would pull

0:43me away from her . It was an anecdotal

0:46experience , because our diploma turned

0:47out to be plagiarized . I was a bit

0:49scared . I had something like that . Aha .

0:52Are we going in the direction where the

0:53heroine , who was making fun of it a bit

0:55, looked at it with distance ,

0:57becomes him ? She becomes him a bit , and

0:59then I had this thing , and it's

1:01actually interesting that ultimately

1:02they're all similar . The creators work

1:09on it for almost a year , and then

1:10someone pulls it off in four hours . I

1:13can punch someone in the face . I can

1:15fake a pregnancy . I used to be more

1:18skilled at that , and it was , you know ,

1:20I could cut in line by saying I was

1:21four months pregnant . Yes . Good morning

1:24, Martyna .

1:25Good morning .

1:26Martyna Byczkowska , who I think is 2026

1:29, can qualify as a great year . What do

1:33you think ? I'll tell you why I think so

1:35in a moment , but I'm curious if you

1:37think so .

1:38To qualify as a good year . A

1:41good year . A good year is , you know , I

1:43think it's okay , because

1:45in a school assessment , it's a B.

1:48Okay , but a good year is also a great

1:50film . I don't know if you're familiar

1:52with it . A good year , that's true .

1:54I love that movie with Rel Crow and

1:56Maria Kot . I

1:57don't know if I've seen it . A

1:58good year . A

1:59great movie . I'll type it in .

2:01Type it in Letterbox . Do

2:04you have Letterbox or a movie ? That's

2:05an ad then . But I don't

2:07have any Apple devices . I've tried

2:09using every single one . I don't use any

2:11to type it in . Let's

2:12box is good because there isn't one ,

2:13but it's not

2:14good because there aren't any series ,

2:15in my opinion . But there are

2:17no ratings . It's so harsh .

2:19Cool . No , it has a rating . It has a

2:21rating , but there are no comments like

2:22that , you know what I mean , there are

2:24no Polish ones . What did Byczkowska do

2:27in 1670 again in this third season ? And

2:29are you reading the comments on Filmeba

2:31?

2:32Well , I don't want to be some

2:33anti-Filmeba advert , because I think

2:35this is the only one

2:37I haven't seen in this good year . Save

2:38it .

2:39Great movie .

2:40I'm marking it on Filmeba . Do

2:41you have a boyfriend ? It's

2:42really great to watch with a boyfriend .

2:44Right .

2:44Okay . Film Web , as everyone knows , is

2:48simply the most popular platform ,

2:52so it generates comments and the

2:54mainstream always brings in more hate .

2:56Well , well ,

2:57yes ,

2:58naturally .

2:59I actually learned recently that Film

3:01Web , and indeed Kudos , is supposedly

3:03the second largest online database for

3:06films on the internet after IMDb .

3:09Oh ,

3:09AMDb is

3:11Wikipedia ,

3:12but supposedly filmowis . Apparently .

3:14Okay , can I check that somewhere ? Did

3:16someone say it that way ?

3:17No , no , no . I heard it in the right

3:20place . I heard it at the New Horizons

3:21festival .

3:22Okay ,

3:22okay . So if there are people somewhere

3:24who inject themselves directly into

3:26their veins , you know ,

3:28Bellatar played backwards from vinyl ,

3:30have

3:31you seen Satan's Tango there ?

3:32I haven't seen Satan's Tango , but I saw

3:34the Tango Horse in New Horizons .

3:36And I didn't see the horse , I saw

3:38Satan's Tango .

3:39M. Well , the action there is

3:42seven hours long .

3:44Mhm . Action movies , yes , because it's

3:46seven hours long , and The Turin Horse

3:48is probably only four , so it's

3:50generally

3:50okay , like TikTok .

3:52I'm begging you , this is one reel . I

3:59wanted to say that I think your year

4:012026 is good , y , from an external

4:03perspective , because it actually

4:05transforms a bit — and we'll probably

4:07talk about this — y — z as an actress

4:10already in the third season of " 1670 , "

4:12the biggest hit you've starred in so

4:14far , although you've also starred in

4:17other big things . I'm also adding you

4:23to the director's role thanks to the

4:25film " Lavetimore , " which we'll also be

4:27talking about , which I had the

4:29opportunity to see . Thank you very much

4:31for sharing the secret link . I

4:33didn't put it on my Chomik account ,

4:34everything's okay ,

4:35I hope .

4:37Wait , I'll check ,

4:38let's check .

4:39Come on .

4:39No , because I noticed there was a code

4:41in the corner of the screen ,

4:43what version is it ? So if I had posted

4:45it , it might have been ,

4:46I would have checked it .

4:47Exactly . It's not that easy .

4:49And I think it's a combination of these

4:51two roles . Seriously speaking , you're

4:53absolutely telemarking , meaning really

4:56well . Both your role and your

4:59performance in the Netflix series are

5:00excellent work .

5:03Thanks . But above all , I'd like to

5:06thank you very much for developing not

5:08only as an actress , so I can simplify

5:10this a bit , but so that in the long run

5:12you don't get lumped in as Martyna from

5:15the series 1670 , which you probably

5:17wouldn't want .

5:19Probably not .

5:22So I'm curious about your perspective

5:24and how you're combining these two

5:25things this year , in general . It's

5:31definitely because next year , this year

5:33, I'm 30 , and the fact that I promised

5:35myself that before 30 , you'd be

5:3995.

5:41But I mean , I'm from November 26th , so

5:43I'm still 30.

5:44And since at this point , yes , yes , yes .

5:47Well , well , well . But by " I will " I

5:50mean that before 30 , I promised myself

5:52that I would make my own film , and

5:55let's say I succeeded . Well , obviously ,

5:58I'm 31 , but you know , that's why I'm

6:00saying that I've done it , especially

6:03since the development , the recordings ,

6:05everything took so long .

6:06Yes . And now we're on this festival

6:10tour with La Petit More Polska and Kaja

6:12Zelewska , my friend with whom I made

6:14this film . Kaja and I talked often , and

6:20it was so overwhelming that when a

6:22dream comes true , instead of just being

6:24happy about it , suddenly there's so

6:26much stress associated with showing

6:28your child , let's say a very strange

6:29film , to people and not knowing how it

6:31will be received . And in this day and

6:35age of the internet , and as we were

6:37talking , commentary

6:40is something else . That's why I

6:42sympathize with young people who are

6:44about to do something and immediately

6:46have this pressure . You know that if

6:49something goes well , and God forbid , it

6:51will be something like this , that it

6:53will generate interest , it's very

6:54public , everything is public now . Even

6:58if you don't want to , somewhere , and

7:00that's it , it brings with it a lot of

7:02positives , you know , because you can

7:04try to promote yourself , create your

7:05own podcast , but on the other hand ,

7:11really , no , no ,

7:13stop , what's

7:14more , you can't just start your own

7:16podcast . Okay , well , there's

7:19even a motif in 1670 that there

7:21were two guys , two

7:23people talking nonsense into a tube ,

7:26two men . Well , yeah , okay . Well ,

7:32actually , at some festival , we realized

7:34that we were constantly in this mode of

7:36getting things done . We had to send

7:39something here , do something there ,

7:41just like an office . And we simply

7:46didn't have the space to just pat

7:47ourselves on the back and say , " Would

7:49you have thought that at the age of 10

7:51we'd make a film and go to festivals ? "

7:57I

7:59guess the world is so fast-paced today

8:01that we forget that this award and this

8:03kind of pat on the back are also

8:04important . And thank you , because now

8:08you patted me . Yes .

8:13And I agree that , indeed , in terms of

8:15building not just an image , but even an

8:17artistic path , that she started to

8:19transcend the realm of being an actress

8:21, I've always dreamed of creating

8:22things . And in acting , it's not even

8:30difficult , which is a natural process ,

8:32where you wait for someone to invite

8:34you to something , but Kaja and I just

8:36created our own thing . We waited for

8:40other things , because then you have to

8:41arrange money

8:44and certain conditions for doing

8:46something , but it was more about really

8:48being in control , about doing something

8:50and having absolute control over it .

8:55And you had two wonderful co-producers

8:57in your moms , right ? That's

9:00true . She's great , and they

9:02contributed a lot of money ,

9:03from what I understand . Yes , a lot of

9:05money ,

9:06right ? Well , I know I know you actually

9:08received some money from the KPO fund ,

9:11for production . But still , the

9:13controversial KPO . That was before the

9:16scandal . Don't

9:17explain it now .

9:18No , I'm just saying , "

9:19Zonda crypto , " some money ,

9:21right ? Yes . No , we get it all from

9:23gambling and , really ,

9:24dirty money , right ? In the first stage ,

9:28it's actually the Impuls Foundation ,

9:29with whom we're collaborating , and with

9:31Ania Pietrzak as the main producers . It

9:36was the Impuls Foundation's first time

9:38making a film , so it's not a foundation

9:40or a film production . And Ola and

9:46Kacper helped us secure the funding for

9:48the campaigns we were doing , meaning we

9:50toured schools with it , with the first

9:51arrangement . The Foundation organized

9:57the entire workshop plan . Kaja and I

9:59also had an exhibition , and it was

10:00supposed to be like this , but it's

10:02over for this year , or is it

10:03even ? This is just the beginning . Funds

10:05are needed for this . We made this film

10:08with these funds . It was supposed to be

10:11a spectacle , and we did it on top of

10:13that with these funds . We just got what

10:15we thought we were getting . We decided ,

10:19" That's not much for a film , " because

10:23even micro-budget films are on the

10:25scale of 10 or something like that . But

10:28we decided we'd try to do it , to make

10:30it happen . We did it in eight , nine

10:35days , and that was some funding that

10:37the foundation arranged . Ergohestia

10:42also supported us at a later stage . M.

10:46Ania Pietrzak also helped us so that —

10:48because it's also about connections

10:50like equipment and so on — it all

10:51worked out that way . New Wave Studio

10:55helped us and treated us not like a

10:57regular production , because we weren't

10:59one , but they set it up to help us . For

11:02example , Bart Putkiewicz was the sound

11:04designer , who makes films on a let's

11:06say a normal scale . He worked with us

11:08in the studio after hours and created

11:10something for us . I think the sound in

11:13this film really helps us avoid being

11:14amateurish .

11:16Of course ,

11:18the sound we have is 51 , and Bart and

11:20Ola Zalewska created something where we

11:22actually have a sound system , so when

11:24you're sitting in the cinema , you hear

11:26things from the front , from the back ,

11:28some whispers are only to the side . We

11:32played around with it to create a kind

11:33of tube that immerses you . I

11:37regret it when someone doesn't watch it

11:39in this way , that they're missing out ,

11:40and it's a huge amount of work . And

11:46getting back to finances , along the way

11:48, though , you know , there's always this

11:50theme : you just have a budget , and then

11:52it turns out there's this , that ,

11:56and at some point , our mothers

11:57supported us in this . This is also an

12:04anecdote , because my mother , as a

12:05dentist , helped us out by having her

12:07own company somewhere and supported us

12:09officially , so we don't have any

12:11product placement from my mother's

12:12company . It's good , actually , it is

12:19what I'm saying , and we're filming it

12:21right here in the office

12:23now . I guessed so , but now I'm sure .

12:26Yes , yes ,

12:27and

12:27hey , stupid question . No , there are no

12:30stupid questions .

12:31We'll see . Well , look , look at this .

12:35Being the daughter of a dentist , is

12:37life somehow harder or easier ? I think

12:40it's

12:40easier , because your mother has been

12:42making sure you brush your teeth since

12:44childhood ,

12:44and I , for example , don't know what a

12:46toothache is . Some people probably hate

12:48me even more now if they have problems .

12:51Do

12:51you have a cavity , a filling , something

12:52like that ? No , I don't think

12:54so . I mean , there are pros and cons ,

12:56such as my mother taking me , and my

12:58mother is a very good dentist .

13:01I'm giving her credit now .

13:03Yup , but she's like that , but she's so

13:05busy that there's no point in promoting

13:07her , because she's very good . Ania ,

13:10Mrs. Ania , it's

13:11a bit far ,

13:13but it's amusing that the visits

13:14actually happen . My mom is a very good

13:17dentist , because I saw it , I spent a

13:19lot of time in my mom's office .

13:21Oh ,

13:23so all the radio hits , those radio

13:25songs , I associated with childhood ,

13:26which played over and over in the

13:28office . And I remember those visits , uh

13:33, patients who are very afraid of

13:35dentists , like the lady who prayed the

13:37rosary and was so afraid she screamed ,

13:39and I had this interesting experience ,

13:40that all these different people come

13:42here . There were those who weren't

13:44afraid at all , and I remember little

13:46children who , when they came , my mom

13:48was so sweet that she'd say things like

13:49, " Look , this is a drill , look at it on

13:51your finger , see ? See , this is how it's

13:53going to work , right ? " And I get in the

13:55chair . Don't move . Open

13:57your mouth quickly . Come on , no , there

14:00was something , I didn't have this , I

14:02noticed a difference , simply that my

14:04mom treated me differently than you

14:06know , she didn't show you drills . Well ,

14:09here you go , you have a finger .

14:11Not from ...

14:11But wait , if you didn't have cavities ,

14:13you didn't have to use the toilet

14:14either . I never had a painful one .

14:16Okay . I

14:17know , I know . That's

14:19great . No , I generally go through life

14:21relatively calmly in this respect , but

14:23I'm not a big fan . I made an

14:25appointment — it's a terrible turn of

14:26events , but I think I remembered

14:28watching your video a little while ago

14:30that my dentist called to say something

14:32, y , hygiene , it's worth signing up , so

14:33I was worried this morning .

14:35Oh , you see .

14:36So Mm .

14:36Wow .

14:37yea , make an appointment too , dear

14:38listener , if you're listening , because

14:40you probably have an appointment

14:42and we recommend brushing your teeth .

14:43Seriously ,

14:45my mom says it really is that simple .

14:49I recently checked some statistics . You

14:52know , flossing is , well , not at all ,

14:57but some irrationally high percentage

14:59of Poles brush their teeth once a day .

15:03Morning or evening ,

15:04that we simply count once as once .

15:07Okay .

15:09And I think 20 % don't brush . Some kind

15:15of ... I can find it for you . Yes . Some

15:18totally crazy number . Wait ,

15:22we're also referring a bit to Aniela ,

15:24who I'll come up with for teeth .

15:27Damn , I don't think I have it anymore .

15:29I don't . Okay , but high . Some very

15:32irrationally high number that simply or

15:34something like 10 % don't have

15:35toothbrushes at all . It's known that

15:37back in the day , people didn't brush

15:38their teeth , for example , in 1000. I'm

15:40talking about this year . I mean , new

15:42statistics . Yes . That's interesting ,

15:44very interesting .

15:45Okay , so , so , okay , so

15:48we've gone far .

15:49But you know , my mother is a dentist ,

15:51my father is a sports teacher . Yes .

15:53Wfista .

15:55Have you checked it ? Yes , yes .

15:58When someone comes to me , I try to

15:59check if I've checked it .

16:01I didn't see it anywhere . Yes , yes . But

16:03that too .

16:04Or maybe I've

16:05already seen this film somewhere ,

16:07La Petimore ,

16:08and it's not available there . Well ,

16:09it's not , but it's connected , so in

16:11general , because that's how we started ,

16:13but maybe we should actually go in that

16:15direction .

16:18Will this film be shown in regular

16:20distribution , or who knows , will it be

16:22on YouTube ?

16:25Maybe it'll end up on YouTube .

16:27Okay .

16:28No , you don't want it to end up in a

16:30drawer yet , do you ? We've had talks

16:32with distribution , and a very good one

16:34at that , but it's a difficult position

16:36to get it that way . We'll definitely

16:42try to show it in more independent

16:44cinemas . We've had talks with Amondo ,

16:49specifically , to also tell them that

16:51Amondo is an independent cinema , but in

16:53the center of Warsaw .

16:55Yes , I'm talking about Warsaw , because ,

16:58you know , we live here now , and we'll

17:00also have a possible premiere at the

17:01Kino Museum , but we're still working on

17:04it , we'll see . We had a secret premiere

17:06there for now , and it's a great space .

17:12So , you know , we dream of touring

17:14Poland with it , to various cinemas , to

17:16premiere it at the cinema in Kartuzy ,

17:18and at the cinema in Kartuzy , but those

17:20are still necessary . I mean , it's not

17:25like one phone call and everyone will

17:27be delighted .

17:28Well , I hope so . They're both thrilled .

17:30We're from Kartuzy . It would be weird

17:32if someone said , " No , thanks . "

17:35No way . And what is this film about ?

17:37About Kartuzy is completely out of the

17:39question . We won't be watching the film

17:41separately .

17:41But I'm just pointing this out , because

17:43there's a motif there , I don't know if

17:45you connected it a bit , because we were

17:47inspired by John Wilson's How to Do ,

17:49how he portrays New York . So with such

17:52love , empathy . There's a fragment there

17:55where we show the Kartuzy Mountains

17:56with ... I didn't connect that it's John

17:58Wilson , but now I see it . Of course ,

18:00yes .

18:01Okay . Well , with a bit of irony , we

18:03wanted to show it to

18:06me , and I hope people won't

18:07misinterpret it if someone watches it ,

18:09that you're

18:11kidding . We're

18:13kidding about a place that , let's say ,

18:15used to look completely different than

18:17it does now .

18:19And I still don't want to do such a

18:21direct promotion of Kartuzy , because I

18:22think it's a beautiful place , but I

18:24don't want too many tourists there . But

18:29really , now that they've cleaned the

18:31lake , well , well , I think this place

18:33will change . It's already changing , but

18:37okay ,

18:40it will be some kind of cosmos , because

18:41those forests and everything are truly

18:43a bit of a paradise on Earth , and we're

18:45We presented it as a retreat ,

18:49yes , but we did it on purpose . Or did

18:52we go on purpose , you know , at that

18:53time of year

18:56when everything is very gray and so

18:57bland . There are no leaves on the trees

19:01, it's not that white winter yet , and

19:03it was so especially ugly .

19:05And it was filmed on VHS , right ?

19:07Yes , yes , yes .

19:08Okay . So , sooner or later , this film

19:13will end up somewhere , either on Chomik

19:15, or on YouTube , or on some VD , or it

19:18will be in cinemas beforehand , of

19:20course . At Herdoks now in October . I'm

19:24trying , I'm talking about this on

19:26purpose , to make it more democratic ,

19:27because people are listening to us , you

19:29know , from Zielona Góra , from Kartuzy ,

19:31and from various other places that are

19:33a bit far from the Amondo cinema . And I

19:37wanted to say a few words about the

19:39film itself , because it's really

19:41interesting , and I think both you and

19:43Kaja did a good job . I watched it

19:46yesterday , I finished the film

19:47yesterday , because I watched it twice .

19:49I mean , with one short break , because I

19:52had to , anyway , well , Sorry , I

19:54had to interrupt it for a moment

19:56without details , but I was watching it

20:00with my wife and , I mean , I turned to

20:02her a few times and said , " This

20:04probably illustrates quite well how a

20:06woman's brain works . " I even had two of

20:10them . Some kind of thought process , a

20:14stream of thoughts , a stream of

20:16consciousness . I read it that way to a

20:18large extent , especially in the second

20:21part of the film , but I wanted to say a

20:23few words , because you really did a

20:25great job there , both in coming up with

20:27this and with some insight into

20:29yourself , into your past . We'll

20:32probably talk about it a bit more , but

20:36I'd like you , because you'll do it much

20:38more elegantly than I did and without

20:39spoilers , to tell me what this film is

20:41about . We're talking a bit about

20:42something , if anyone hasn't heard , they

20:44have some ...

20:44Oh , yes , yes .

20:45This doesn't sound like the third

20:47season of 1670.

20:48We've already started with that , so I'm

20:49already surprised . Well , let's just

20:52say a very short description . It's a

20:55film about a girl who , just before her

20:57death , is somewhat inspired by

20:59Shakespeare's Ophelia . She is and

21:02ends up in a dream , let's say . For

21:06everyone , it's It could be something

21:08else , because there's no clear

21:09interpretation , but it ends up in a

21:11court case where it splits into two

21:13girls , and one part of it doesn't

21:15remember anything , and they both have

21:17to come to terms with their decision ,

21:19and they're accused of killing

21:20themselves .

21:22Mhm . And in those roles you're

21:24exactly me and Kaja , playing the one

21:27Ophelia split in two , and

21:32somewhere , Ophelia is a pretext to talk

21:34about our friendship , so let's say this

21:36docu-fiction comes from that , a mix of

21:38documentary and fiction , because we use

21:40archival materials from childhood and

21:42try to describe the maturation of young

21:44girls from the perspective of a small

21:46town in 2000

21:55and the American climate that was

21:57coming to Poland , MTV , all those pop

21:59stars and cameras that you had and

22:01recorded everything . And somewhere ,

22:08when we were touring festivals with La

22:10Petit More , I thought it was more about

22:12the experience of people around the

22:14film , artistic people , and the

22:17experience of recording yourself back

22:19then , just

22:22growing up , where you turn on the

22:23camera and pretend you're in YouK dan

22:25Dance or that You sing something or

22:27even record yourself and treat it as a

22:28collective , generational experience .

22:32Yes , yes , yes . Well , it turned out to

22:34be very

22:36common , so many people approach us , say

22:38they've experienced it too , that they

22:40identify with it . Plus , swimming is

22:43coming up , and I think that sport also

22:45brings together a slightly different

22:47group of people , but this maturing in

22:48sports is also a topic that I see has

22:50captured some people . Of course .

22:53Damn , I have to tell you , I'm a little

22:55envious of you , because I'm 10 years

23:00older than you . Nine ?

23:02Mhm .

23:0210.

23:04No ,

23:04how do I do that without crying ? And I

23:08remember that when I was preparing for

23:10my first interview with Vanessa

23:11Aleksander

23:14as part of this format , she was also

23:16posting some old recordings of herself

23:19on her Instagram , or maybe Facebook .

23:21Mhm .

23:23From , I don't know , when she was five

23:25or eight , and she was recording herself

23:27. Some kind of my father's cell phone

23:29or something . And I thought , damn , that

23:32didn't exist in my day . And on the one

23:37hand , I'm a little glad that some part

23:39of my , my generation's past has

23:41disappeared in this darkness of the

23:43lack of digitalization .

23:46You probably have some photos . Well ,

23:48you know , there aren't many of those

23:50photos , and they're photos from film ,

23:51which are very much etched in that film

23:53, aren't they ? Still .

23:57And the fact that you could play with

23:59camcorders and cameras back then , that

24:01you could play with camcorders and

24:03cameras so much back then ,

24:05simply because you didn't have to load

24:07any film , you could just record and

24:08upload it to the computer . Well , I'm a

24:11little envious of that , because you

24:13could do a lot of things even for fun ,

24:15and as you said , not as

24:17preparation to become an actor or

24:18director later , just to do it yourself

24:20and have it later , that's a cool thing .

24:24And it's a souvenir . I'm glad I have it

24:26. There's a lot of it , but I , for

24:31example , I'm glad I'm not the

24:32generation that had — that we recorded

24:34it for ourselves , not to post it on

24:36Instagram . Sure . And that it's such a

24:40subtle shift , that if these materials

24:42that I have ... and Kaja and I decided

24:44what we were sharing , and we decided we

24:46could treat it universally , that ,

24:50okay , these things that somewhere ...

24:51because it was also important to us ,

24:53that such a compliment for us , a

24:55summary of about 25 years , could then

24:57be simply for us . We would play it in

25:03the evening and we wouldn't have to

25:04show it , and we felt that certain

25:06stages of puberty and these first times

25:08that happen there , that they were

25:09supposed to discuss something that we

25:11felt applied to most people who simply

25:13experienced puberty , and , you know ,

25:14everyone had it different , but that

25:16somewhere they described it from our

25:17perspective . Um , but when I thought

25:24about it ... Because as an 11 - year-old ,

25:26it was probably possible for me to post

25:29it on YouTube or E-pulse somewhere , we

25:31had yyy ... But I remember that it was

25:33already happening in my country , and it

25:35was big , that Appuls ... I don't know if

25:37it was also popular in Pomerania .

25:43Apples was still a platform like

25:45Facebook , but there , to have a cool

25:47presentation , you had to program it .

25:52Meaning , if you wanted a blue

25:53background , you typed LP 3 C.

25:57Okay .

25:58And you had to program your

26:00presentation . If you wanted something

26:02to move , well , things got really

26:04complicated .

26:06And I had this scandal in elementary

26:08school , for example , when someone

26:10posted a picture of me . A girl who

26:13didn't like me because

26:16the boy she liked fell in love with me .

26:18You know , dramas , difficult things in

26:20elementary school . Hey , there weren't

26:22any major dramas back then ,

26:23but in my opinion , these are major

26:25dramas , when they end because the

26:27police found out . Because photos were

26:30posted , you know , not responding like

26:32that . Those were the first , in my

26:36opinion , unrestrained actions on the

26:38internet , where such a thing The hate ,

26:40the hatred that overflowed during these

26:42presentations , was so intense that it

26:43later generated fights at school , and I

26:45was involved in one such incident where

26:47the police had to come to school .

26:51Were boys fighting over you ?

26:53Did they fight ? You know , a little bit ,

26:55a little bit not . Even if they weren't

26:57fighting physically , they were fighting

26:58online .

26:59I was fighting over a boy too .

27:00No ,

27:02no , I'm from ... Were you

27:04fighting over a boy ?

27:05Listen , that's out of the question . You

27:07can be

27:09blunt . I mean , I got hit in the face

27:13with a phone , and from halfway across

27:15the bus , my friend saw me talking to

27:17him and threw it . And then do you

27:21remember what kind of phones they were ?

27:23They weren't ,

27:24they were phones with antennas , thick ,

27:27heavy phones .

27:28I got hit in the face with one of these

27:30phones . She threw it , it flew .

27:31Yes , she threw it and it hit .

27:33No , it hit you , not him .

27:35It hit me right in the nose , so I don't

27:37, I don't have it , it

27:40happened later .

27:41Exactly , because I'm not generally for

27:43life . You know , I'm impulsive , and I

27:46don't like arguing because I think

27:48shouting at someone is like marinating

27:50energy . I prefer to wait and cool down ,

27:53not get stuck in a corner .

27:54Yes , yes , yes , yes . But when I was

27:57younger , I think I had these layers of

27:59aggression . It happened , and I did lash

28:02out at her . The math teacher would pull

28:05me away from her , and I weighed 23 kg

28:08and was 150 kg , so I wasn't there .

28:10What grade was that , remember ? I

28:12don't know if it was elementary , fifth .

28:14Okay , because your grade wasn't there

28:16yet , so you must have had middle school

28:17.

28:18Yes , I had middle school . Yes , yes , yes

28:20, yes , yes . I had middle school .

28:22And what happened next ? There must have

28:23been some tough parent-teacher meeting .

28:25Some parents went , others to school .

28:27I don't even remember , so I guess it

28:28wasn't , it wasn't that bad . I remember

28:30other situations . I don't want to . I

28:32have a lot of anecdotes from elementary

28:34school , because I think the worst one

28:36was when we broke into the attic .

28:38Which was barred . And what about a

28:40barred fence ?

28:40A stigma of what ? A school . The

28:42attic of an elementary school . The bars

28:44were more or less like this , and I was

28:47pressing down , and my head kept popping

28:49, so

28:49you were on the team ,

28:54and your friends would climb through

28:55the bars because they were climbing up

28:57there , and that was a real pain with a

28:59stamp , watch out , parents are coming

29:00and there's a chance of being expelled

29:02from school . It's interesting , because

29:05those were the days when Librus was

29:07just starting to come in , so we still

29:09had handwritten ones , I

29:10mean , you're talking to someone whose

29:12writing was probably on paper and ink ,

29:14so that's how I understand it .

29:15Yes . But we still had handwritten

29:17journals ,

29:19and upstairs there was just a whole

29:21collection of these old journals ,

29:24so we looked through them . I don't

29:27believe at all that something like that

29:29even existed , that there was , for

29:31example , straw , table football , a

29:33dovecote , so there was a place where

29:34you could enter , and there was a room

29:36where there were pigeons . When the

29:38janitor discovered us for the first

29:40time and didn't find us , I was like in

29:42the scene where in a movie . I simply

29:44discovered this dovecote then , because

29:45I went into some room , locked myself in

29:47there , looked , and there were tons of

29:49birds . I just sat there like , " No ,

29:51they're giving me goosebumps . "

29:52But it was at that moment when the

29:54janitor was following you around ,

29:55looking for you , and what ? And you sat

29:57there like that , like that , like

29:59that . And to add to the drama , because

30:01I was like , I'm

30:04really sorry , because if the janitor is

30:06looking in my eyes , if he's still alive

30:08, then I apologize , because I suspected

30:11him of killing children and cloning

30:12people , and generally , I wanted this

30:14theory in elementary school

30:17that he , because he really looked like

30:19something out of a horror movie . He had

30:20these suspenders , he was scary , I mean ,

30:23he

30:23kills children and clones , kills ,

30:25clones them . I once found a piece of

30:27newspaper that had something written

30:29somewhere , you know , on somewhere

30:31I love .

30:33And I started being the kind of person

30:35who encouraged some of the class and my

30:37group that we had to solve the mystery

30:38of our janitor .

30:42And I really We started to believe that

30:44we were finding some clues about what

30:46he was doing , we were following him and

30:47so on , and he caught us , then he

30:49discovered we were breaking in .

30:52But who had the new arrivals ? Well , he

30:54checks where the locked doors are .

30:55It was karma . Well ,

30:57in that sense , okay .

31:00Was that group — let's be honest , it

31:02wasn't the whole class , it was a group

31:04at the kissing place .

31:05Mhm . You

31:08were the only girl . I'm

31:11trying to remember . I think there were

31:15two or three other girls . Not all the

31:18time , because it was mostly boys

31:20sneaking in .

31:21Mhm . But I also had — I wasn't just

31:24that kind of girl who only hangs out

31:26with boys . We had this big group ,

31:29where there were girls too , there were

31:31also — I don't know what to call it ,

31:35well , we weren't such a little group ,

31:38okay .

31:39That we did all sorts of things ,

31:41breaking into empty houses , abandoned

31:43houses , haunted houses .

31:45Mrs. Ania , do you hear that ?

31:47My parents are They know .

31:48Okay .

31:49Yes . Do you have cool parents who

31:50seemed to know these things about you ,

31:52or did they just find out at

31:53parent-teacher meetings , so there was

31:55no turning back ?

31:55Of course , they found out at

31:57parent-teacher meetings . Not that I

32:00told them everything right away , but

32:01looking back , I think about it . I don't

32:07have children yet , let's say , but I

32:09think about what would be the hardest

32:11for me , and what I appreciate about my

32:13parents , is that you have to , or can ,

32:15give your child the space to do

32:16whatever they want . And even if

32:22something like that happens to you as a

32:24parent , that fear that something will

32:25happen to them or about them , my

32:27daughter going to Warsaw alone , it will

32:29end badly . My mom or dad , at some stage

32:34, I felt , you know , they had their

32:35fears , but sometimes they didn't

32:37transfer them onto me , meaning they

32:39didn't create a situation where I

32:40started to be afraid of these things .

32:43That's why I was the child who broke

32:44into these houses , did these crazy

32:46things , because I felt they passed them

32:48on to me . Some kind of courage . It's

32:53probably also about some kind of

32:55naivety that it's hard to find a happy

32:57medium , but that kind of , for example ,

32:59my parents sent me to survival camps

33:01for children .

33:03Oh ,

33:04and

33:04what was it all about ? I'm curious if

33:08it still exists ,

33:09because in today's political

33:10correctness , you know there were things

33:12like that , but they were like summer

33:13camps . Yes .

33:14Yes .

33:15Or a shorter story ? A

33:16week or two days ? Oh ,

33:18no , more like a week . More like a week .

33:20And there was actually something like

33:22that where they gave you a pocket knife

33:24, an apple , a lighter ,

33:25right ? And they woke you up at 3:00

33:28a.m. , for example , in your room . You

33:30had to get dressed . Let's

33:31just establish a chronology . How long ?

33:34About

33:3410 years . Okay . What ? And ya , and we go

33:38to the forest . There's a meeting .

33:40But there's a supervisor . There's a

33:42supervisor . Okay . Okay .

33:44Yes . There's a supervisor who tells us

33:46that now we have to build a shelter and

33:47we'll sleep in it .

33:48No. Yes .

33:49No.

33:50And how old is this supervisor ? 15

33:51years old ?

33:52No , well , he's an adult . He's an adult .

33:54He's

33:5418.

33:55Okay , I have one , we have 20 there , we

33:58have one 25 - year-old .

33:59Yes .

34:00A group of 10 - year-old kids .

34:01When I thought they were , you know , 40 ,

34:03she was

34:03probably 25. Yes , but for me it's like

34:05this .

34:06You know , you know . And you have a

34:07group of 10 - year-old kids ,

34:09right ? I

34:09mean , there are camps . I know someone

34:11who goes to such camps as a counselor .

34:13Best regards to Antonina , who tells me

34:16amazing stories now . I mean , she goes

34:18to these summer camps now . Well , I

34:20think they're

34:21not survival camps , they're more like

34:23camps where , you know , there are tents

34:25and , you know , these kids with all

34:26these iPhones are just pushed out into

34:28nature and supposed to have fun for two

34:30weeks

34:31in the old-fashioned way , but what

34:32you're talking about , I don't think

34:34that happens there at 3:00 a.m. Uh , I

34:35don't know , maybe it was 1:00 a.m. It

34:39was so funny , we just suddenly knew it

34:41was going to happen one day , that there

34:43was an alarm , we didn't

34:44know when , an alarm , we gathered

34:46quickly , quickly in a row , and then we

34:48actually had to build this shelter . It

34:50started raining , so they took us back .

34:52Well , yes , we slept , it was an

34:54adventure , but

34:55we slept there for a while . I also

34:57remember building this shelter and 15

34:59of us lying there .

35:03For me , it's somehow magical , like , " I

35:05have something like this now , I wonder

35:07if it really happened . " And of course ,

35:11there was the baptism , too , meaning

35:15you walked through pine cones , had to

35:17walk barefoot , and were hit with

35:19something like that . But at Easter in

35:24Kashubia , they hit you with a pine

35:25needle , I don't know how you hit with a

35:27twig . You're just hit . You have to

35:32drink a concoction , which is some

35:34mixture of very unpleasant , sharp , sour

35:36, strange things . Malu ,

35:38which we'd probably totally enjoy now ,

35:40right ?

35:40Yes . They paint your face , you get a

35:43name — I don't remember what my name

35:44was . And at the end , there's a sea god

35:47who sits on a throne and names you a

35:49camper .

35:51Great .

35:51Well , those are wonderful things for

35:53children . I went to an oasis .

35:57Oh , I was there once , not to an oasis ,

35:59but on a pilgrimage where everyone

36:01sings along at the end .

36:02And where did that pilgrimage go ?

36:04Wejerowo . Greetings to Sandra

36:06Drzymalska . Sandra was also coming down

36:08. Yes ,

36:09no , she's from Wejerowo .

36:10Oh , okay . You met , we even know each

36:12other from singing the song " The Lord

36:14is My Shepherd . "

36:15No , but we also met in a funny way ,

36:17because we know each other from that

36:19area ,

36:19okay . We used to party somewhere and

36:22spend holidays like that somewhere .

36:24So , you know each other from the old

36:26days ?

36:26Before fame , as they say .

36:28Before fame .

36:29News . Awesome . These threads are

36:31fantastic , because they kind of connect

36:33with what I wanted to talk about anyway

36:35, but your anecdotes trump them all , so

36:37that's the best part . As you were

36:41talking about it , I was thinking about

36:43today's kids , and about today's kids at

36:45the age you were describing yourself .

36:49Just a quick aside , and I'll move on . I

36:52just heard during one of these trips

36:54that the ones happening now , no , that

36:56kids are being sent to these camps ,

36:59like , eight to 14 , I think . And I found

37:02out that , let's just say , it was this

37:04year , that a child with alcoholism has

37:07already been sent to this camp , right ?

37:10Around 10 years old ,

37:12because things like that didn't happen ,

37:13but I don't have that .

37:14No , I mean ,

37:16how many years ago , right ? And I mean ,

37:18it looked different .

37:19And I think it wasn't named , but

37:21no , kid .

37:22But then , during the communist and war

37:24years ,

37:25our 10 - year-old children ,

37:27our grandparents , drank a lot .

37:29But that's when they were adults , not

37:31children .

37:32But I mean , those children often sat at

37:34those parties . In my opinion , it wasn't

37:36labeled . I don't

37:38know . My friends say somewhere , we talk

37:40about this alcoholism , I mean , a lot of

37:42Polish films are about it for a reason ,

37:45because it's about adults , not 10 -

37:47year-olds .

37:47Only those 10 - year-old children very

37:49often attended those parties , and it

37:51simply wasn't labeled , that you could ,

37:53I don't know , have a drink ,

37:55because it was lying around .

37:56Yeah , right .

37:57I think ,

37:58I think it's simply about the times ,

38:00that now we can . That's an

38:01interesting perspective . Cool , cool ,

38:03cool . You know , I don't deny it , just

38:05when I heard it as an argument , it's

38:07terrifying .

38:08Crazy . Absolutely crazy .

38:11Em , could you tell me a bit more about

38:13Kartuzy in this thread ? I was trying to

38:17remember . I definitely passed through

38:20Kartuzy at least somewhere in that

38:21region , but I think I've never been

38:23there , but now that the lake's been

38:25cleaned up .

38:27I'm going to check out Slowhop to see

38:29what good things there are to be found .

38:32It's a beautiful region , and absolutely

38:34no .

38:36What are your fondest memories of

38:38Kartuzy as a formative element ? You

38:41talk a bit about it , and I'll add

38:42another thread to that . Maybe this one

38:44will be interesting too and will tie in

38:46nicely with the film . Since you and

38:48Kaja also wrote the script together , I

38:50assume that together ,

38:52and it's somewhat autobiographical , you

38:55planned what would come out

38:57of the script — I'm not even talking

38:58about editing later , but what would

39:00come out . And I'm curious how two

39:02longtime friends , when creating an

39:05autobiographical story , decide what's

39:07in and what's out of these Kartuzy

39:09stories . I'm

39:11mainly talking about those , you know ,

39:13early stories . This process , this

39:16writing process , was very intuitive and

39:18completely different than , for example ,

39:21we're writing another thing now , " skajo

39:23. "

39:28We're more immersed in a typical

39:29process of building a narrative , a

39:31ladder where the characters are this

39:33and that , the action happens , how to

39:34connect it all . As we had in panel 1670

39:41, Jakub Rużyło , I remember the

39:44screenwriter , said

39:47I liked it . You're an engineer first ,

39:52and it's a mathematical process of

39:53setting things up , and then you have to

39:55go back to being a kid , and you play

39:57intuitively , coming up with silly ideas

39:59to let loose and give yourself more

40:01creative freedom . But in Laetit Mord ,

40:07we immediately took on this second

40:09stage , because we didn't have any

40:11constraints to fit into , like , " It ends

40:13up on streaming , " or the producer

40:15demands it sells . We also treated it

40:20this way : ultimately , if it didn't go

40:23anywhere , we'd show it at my apartment

40:25in Praga , for example , and we'd do

40:27shows , inviting 20 people , for example .

40:38We had these plans B and C , and this

40:40freedom allowed us to operate in a very

40:42strange way , writing , and all the

40:43things that emerged were like , oh , this

40:45cemetery we'd established for ourselves

40:47, for important events in our lives ,

40:49that was our starting point . There was

40:57once a writer , she wrote a book called

40:58" Running with the Wolves . " She talked

41:01about how it's not just about women ,

41:03but about creating a cemetery — that is

41:05, erecting tombstones for positive and

41:07negative events , but they're often

41:09difficult ,

41:11and when you process them within

41:13yourself , you erect a tombstone —

41:15something that didn't kill you , but

41:16strengthened you ,

41:17and you lock yourself away .

41:19Exactly . We wanted to do something like

41:24that , but we also tried to capture

41:26universal themes : relationships with

41:28parents , relationships with first love ,

41:30first sexual encounters , and friendship

41:32, and a relationship with my brother .

41:40And we channeled it through streams of

41:42consciousness and improvisations ,

41:43because we're actresses , we gave

41:45ourselves a simple theme , and on stage ,

41:47we also moved a lot from movement . It

41:52sounds a bit like a bit of witchcraft ,

41:54but we were also inspired by this ,

41:59although Lynch is very mathematical ,

42:01but David Lynch , who is also our idol

42:03somewhere ,

42:05David L. is very mathematical . I mean ,

42:08I also talked to a friend of mine who

42:11writes screenplays , and I said to him ,

42:13" Look , Lynch works with dreams , the

42:15subconscious , and everything . " And he

42:17told me : " Well , yes , he always says

42:19that in interviews and he's like that ,

42:23but if you were to break him down ,

42:25break down his films , they often

42:26actually have the structure of a murder

42:28. You know what I mean ? He said it's

42:33not that bad . No , of

42:36course , I agree . That simply surprised

42:38me , and his comment was quite

42:40interesting to me

42:41that they say that . I

42:42mean , what we want to say here is that

42:44David Lyne's films simply make sense ,

42:46right ? If someone watches them and says

42:48, " Jesus Christ , what is this guy

42:49making about ? " No , no , they make sense ,

42:51they have structure , they are

42:53structured ,

42:53but would I call them very mathematical

42:55, not necessarily , but are they really

42:57that mathematical ? Okay , I'll leave it

42:59at that . But generally , I understand

43:01what you mean . The point is that he's

43:03not some super mathematician , but he's

43:05not exactly a guy who writes scenes ,

43:07that it doesn't hang together at all .

43:09Exactly . And the point is that

43:11somewhere here we're We were inspired

43:13by the Gaga Dance movement . It's a kind

43:17of contact , improvisation , and it's not

43:19about dance at all , but more about the

43:21fact that we started with movement ,

43:23meaning we didn't have to sit at a desk

43:26and say , " Okay , we're writing the

43:28script now , " and come up with something

43:33intelligently , off the top of our heads

43:35, but rather with intuition , meaning

43:37not from first instincts like , " How to

43:39please the audience , myself , " or " Or it

43:41will be very interesting , " and then a

43:43kind of AI is generated for me . Okay .

43:47Because there's something about it that

43:49the strangest ideas come from mistakes ,

43:51from small things like ,

43:54well , something that the AI wouldn't

43:56come up with because it wasn't so

43:58clichéd . And this movement allowed us

44:03to record ourselves improvising .

44:05Sometimes it turned into scenes . We

44:08recorded it , then wrote it down . We

44:10also did streams of consciousness

44:12exercises after warming up physically ,

44:14so for example , you write for 20

44:15minutes and don't take your hand

44:19off the page , and that made it a

44:21different process , where we were

44:23completely free , and these topics

44:25simply flowed from us . Oh , okay . This

44:29need to write about it is the greatest

44:31for some reason . It's the same with

44:34getting into sports and giving it up —

44:37it was all about how you set boundaries

44:39, and for us , the framework was the

44:41story of Fela , so we knew where it was

44:43going , so

44:46somewhere intuitively , it just appeared

44:48, and we didn't hold back . When you

44:51mentioned sports , I remembered a

44:53passage I'll quote from the movie " umm ,

44:55" right at the moment we're talking

44:57about sports . Don't worry , we're not

44:59spoiling much of this movie here , so

45:01don't worry . It's more ,

45:02it's hard to spoil . It's

45:04hard to spoil . It's more like David

45:06Dinch's films in that what good is

45:08finding out that this man is an

45:09elephant if you don't feel it and you

45:11can't survive it with your gut ? So , no

45:13worries there . But there's a line you

45:16heard from a wfista : " I think your

45:20failure , in terms of athletic success ,

45:22or potential athletic success , stems

45:24from the fact that you became a woman .

45:26"

45:26Mhm .

45:27I'm curious how you look at it from the

45:29perspective of time , being in a

45:31completely different place , not being a

45:33professional swimmer , athlete , and so

45:35on . We also had such a pleasant , um , um

45:42, such permission to tell these stories

45:44, often private , um , it's just the two

45:47of us , so it's unclear which part of

45:49the story is which .

45:54And indeed , we both trained in swimming

45:56with Kaja .

45:57And you both trained in swimming ?

45:59Yes , both . Our swimming coach was

46:02Kaiata .

46:03Okay . yyy , and it was also mine , and

46:07yyy , this part is more about

46:11Kaja , because

46:13I trained in swimming for a shorter

46:15time than Kaja and didn't enter as

46:17professionally as Kaja , because I

46:19started later ,

46:20so those video fragments shown there .

46:22This is Kaja .

46:23This is Kaja . So you didn't swim that

46:26fast .

46:27Yeah , I was a long-distance runner ,

46:29because there was a part where Kaja

46:31wins some competition . Yes , yes , yes . Y

46:33, she's probably second then .

46:35Yes .

46:36And the narration implied that A okay .

46:38Yes , yes , yes , but I don't remember

46:39exactly , but I think it was

46:41okay there okay .

46:42And well , you

46:43have to see this video in every movie .

46:44It's really cool .

46:45Thanks . Anyway , this one this part was

46:49a bit more okay , but

46:51okay . Okay , you

46:53both had A wait , let's do the exercise .

46:55You've definitely done it . And what

46:57would Kaja say ? I can also relate to

46:59this , because it's also part of the y

47:01you're a woman also swam . Exactly . I

47:03think that this asexual stage of

47:05puberty , when you're younger , is easier

47:09. You're in elementary school , and at

47:12the moment of puberty , I also received

47:17the message that I wouldn't be a

47:19swimmer anymore . It wasn't

47:22me , but rather my coach , who simply

47:24told me , " Unfortunately , nothing will

47:26come of it . " And it's a difficult

47:29moment , and it doesn't help that your

47:31body is changing . And somewhere in

47:35swimming , all those seconds that are

47:37crucial , all of this influences it . And

47:41that changing physique — it has a huge

47:45impact . So , here , puberty , it's

47:50probably difficult for girls in any

47:52sport , because you get your period , and

47:54it also negatively affects your sport .

47:59Because the coach and your parents have

48:04to take proper care of you so that it

48:05doesn't become some kind of taboo for

48:07you . And what kind of person were you

48:14when you left karting , and when was

48:15that ?

48:18I was exactly 18.

48:20Oh , wow .

48:22Because you're already out of

48:23high school ?

48:25Yes , because I'm from that November , so

48:27let's say I was 19 in my class ,

48:31and by some strange stroke of luck , I

48:33got into Warsaw , to the Theatre Academy

48:35. Hmm , it was also so , so unimaginable

48:43to me that somewhere in those kartus ,

48:46yyy , this escape was already happening ,

48:49on such a microscale , because I

48:51traveled a lot by bus , on the Gryf

48:53Kartuski , yyy , to Tricity .

48:56Mhm .

48:57And I had friends from Gdańsk with

48:59whom I danced . We had our own dance

49:03group , Jogi Crew . Cheers . Um , and I

49:06already felt this escape happening

49:08somewhere . And this kind of ... I don't

49:11want to call it loneliness , because you

49:13have people around you , you have family

49:15. But who knows who spent their

49:18adolescence like that — taking the bus

49:20every day , for example , an hour or so

49:22there and back , so that's two hours

49:24plus walking somewhere , and so on —

49:26that you spend a lot of time alone ,

49:28because you want to leave one place and

49:31go to another .

49:33But you're still in both .

49:34And then they treat you in both groups .

49:36The ones from Gdańsk say , " Yeah , but

49:38you're from Kartus , so bye , you're

49:40going by bus , " and the ones from Kartus

49:42say , " Oh , you're already a city girl ,

49:44you're going to Gdańsk , you're leaving

49:47us . " And it was a transitional period ,

49:49you're in between , which is probably

49:51what we wanted to capture in this Opela

49:53, that what if you're a little bit here

49:55, a little bit there , meaning nowhere .

50:00And Warsaw was already a level

50:02above . I severely cut myself off from

50:06Kartus , but

50:08at the beginning of my studies , or at

50:10all ?

50:10At the beginning of my studies . But I

50:12mean , it happened in stages , because

50:13through these trips , it was already

50:15happening for a while ,

50:16and I actually got into this theater

50:18academy in Warsaw , and ...

50:20And why did you cut yourself off from

50:22Kartus ? What do you

50:23mean , cut yourself off ? No , I didn't

50:25cut myself off completely , but my group

50:27, let's say , from Kartus , naturally

50:29drifted apart . One of my friends went

50:31to Norway to work . Okay . And

50:34I also had a lot of them , I still know

50:40they're out there somewhere and I have

50:42a lot of love for them , and maybe

50:43they're watching , so I send them my

50:45regards , but we were very much a party

50:47group . That's a separate topic . I think

50:52it's a separate film , which I'd also

50:53like to write a script for someday . I'm

50:56thinking about it now , but with someone

50:58, to write it . But I also want to see

51:01that stage of adolescence in a small

51:03town . I think it still happens in

51:06bigger towns , too , with access to all

51:08kinds of substances . It's a huge topic ,

51:12and I don't want to get into it , but

51:14too deep . But my group , we were a group

51:18raised on Skins , transporting ,

51:24and

51:25things like that . I think I talk to a

51:28lot of my friends about that series

51:30with Kinsi , right ? And because maybe

51:34you see , my class of '95 , Skins was

51:36probably not for everyone , if I

51:38remember the title , but

51:41about teenagers who skip school , skip

51:43school , and party .

51:44Okay ,

51:45and that's it . More or less in short .

51:47Okay . Okay . I know it was a cool show ,

51:49but somehow not .

51:50Yes , yes , yes . Well , he probably didn't

51:52make it everywhere , but

51:53they were thin because they were

51:54constantly screwing up . Exactly . Yes .

51:56Okay .

51:57Um , so this separation was also

51:59connected to this dream of simply going

52:01somewhere further ,

52:05and uh , and somewhere , uh , I don't know

52:07, it's a difficult topic too . And tell

52:11me , tell me , please , because I'm

52:15thinking out loud now — I don't have it

52:17in my notes , so sorry , it'll be a bit ,

52:19but maybe it won't be chaotic — because

52:21now I'm putting two and two together :

52:23the stories from the movie , and what

52:25you're talking about , and these jumps .

52:28Not only that , but everyone has some

52:30changes in their biography that result

52:32from changing schools , I don't know ,

52:34transforming as a person , but also your

52:36story , and the stories of many people ,

52:38they add to that , have major

52:40geographical changes , meaning you move

52:42from one place to another .

52:44M , how do you talk a little about

52:46elementary school and that one group

52:48that would go up to the school attic

52:50and do a million other things ? In other

52:53words , she had a sin , because back then

52:55, that was probably the biggest

52:56indicator of doing something wrong ,

52:58right ? You'll have a sin .

52:59Y , and she did a million other things .

53:02Then you had a group that partied a bit

53:04more , and then you moved to Warsaw .

53:12Looking back on it all , did moving to

53:14Warsaw allow you to change your life a

53:16bit for the better — in the sense that

53:18you freed yourself a bit from something

53:20that might not have led to a career , a

53:25future ? You know , it would have kept

53:27you in the world of Skins , but ... or

53:28rather : you'd stay in the world of

53:30train spotting , not the cool , colorful

53:32one . Well , some of my friends stayed

53:36there , so maybe it's the isolation I'm

53:38talking about , but I've heard they've

53:40come out of it too , so I'm very proud

53:42of them , too ,

53:47that I hear somewhere that some of

53:49these people have come out of it and

53:50have children and so on , so that's also

53:52impressive to me ,

53:56because some people I thought were on

53:57the other side .

53:58So much so , so so , so so , so so ,

54:02so so . But who knows , and who studied

54:06at the Theatre Academy in Warsaw , it

54:10also creates a world where you're like

54:12in an incubator , and what I call a kind

54:14of sect , but it's a magical sect where

54:16you create a new family .

54:18Well , it's a sect of the chosen , right ?

54:20Yes . Yes .

54:21Right ? Hmm , well , you could say that ,

54:24but these studies generate so much time

54:26that you devote to them ,

54:27um ,

54:28that without the support of your

54:30parents , um , it's hard to support

54:31yourself . And I had friends who heard

54:33that they didn't have it , but there are

54:35scholarships and so on . But it's the

54:37kind of school that I just don't know

54:39what it's like now . Back then , we

54:41sometimes didn't have a day off for

54:42months , we were at school non-stop ,

54:44sometimes after hours until midnight ,

54:46doing some kind of drama .

54:48But you had weekends off ,

54:49not just

54:50seven days . Yes , it happened . We had

54:53that motive . Generally , I'm grateful

54:56that ,

54:58um , that I have something different ,

55:00that for me , this stage was something

55:02that ultimately shaped me , and for me ,

55:07it was like Alice in Wonderland , so I

55:09needed to get into it . Suddenly , you

55:12meet people , and maybe that's also

55:14tempting , who , like you , are a bit

55:16strange , sensitive in a different way ,

55:18want to do things , and you meet them ,

55:20they're also from small towns , they're

55:22not just people from Warsaw ,

55:25and you have this group of 18 people ,

55:27and now you have five years of creating

55:29performances together , choosing which

55:31poem to say on Tuesday . It's just true ,

55:35and back then , there were times when

55:38the academy , y'know , was more of a

55:40party scene , so it wasn't a thing . Now ,

55:43I think it's changed a bit , it's more

55:45like you could work in your first or

55:47second year , but back then we didn't

55:49even have the opportunity , meaning you

55:51had to ask the rector if you could

55:52participate in anything . In your first

55:54and second year , you couldn't take part

55:57in TV shows or anything , and you really

55:59just stayed at school and lived

56:01together , celebrated , partied , and

56:03worked . And it was like an incubator , I

56:06think , and then you'd leave it and wake

56:08up and have something like that .

56:10So there wasn't time to party a bit ,

56:12right ?

56:13Was there ? It was good . And tell me ,

56:16please , you know , because I had a bit

56:18of a story earlier , you know , about

56:20leaving one problem and going to the

56:25city , to a city where you start

56:27studying and you don't have time to

56:29ruin your life . In short .

56:31I think you could

56:32destroy the artistic community by going

56:34. I didn't think about that . 100 % right .

56:38Tell me honestly , what's it like on a

56:40podcast ? Listen , when you get into the

56:45academy , you said 18 people . No , I'm

56:48not even talking about your year , but

56:50there

56:50were more ,

56:51hypothetically .

56:52Mhm .

56:54And first , you're this little group ,

56:56this crazy theater troupe . Everyone

56:59already knows something , everyone's

57:00touched the heavens , but they haven't

57:02quite made it there yet , and it's great

57:04.

57:05Mhm . At what point does it turn into a

57:10rat race ? A

57:11rat race ? Well ,

57:13diplomas ,

57:13bloody

57:15diplomas . So , I think so , speaking for

57:17myself . This is the fourth year .

57:20Suddenly , there's this external

57:22initiative where we're already

57:23preparing diplomas for this festival in

57:25Łódź and inviting people . Our

57:28supervisor , the rector , happened to be

57:30one person . Wojciech Malajkad was our

57:33supervisor . And so it happens that

57:37directors often come from outside or

57:39from the school . Professors can be like

57:43that too , but it's a situation where

57:45there's a cast , and you can show off

57:47your skills and then get the job .

57:50Theatre directors are watching this ,

57:53casting directors , and not everyone ,

57:55but some , are already experiencing a

57:57rat race based on who gets what role .

57:59Someone gets a small one , someone a big

58:01one , someone else gets a big one .

58:03And who casts ? The director casts ,

58:06someone who comes in from outside , for

58:08example , and then he — you know , I

58:10think — isn't he a

58:11person from the university ?

58:12Sometimes he's not , sometimes he is ,

58:14sometimes he isn't .

58:16In my class , we had four diplomas .

58:20That's a lot . Now we only get one , two .

58:24In my case , I did my only diploma , one

58:26with Grażyna Kania , because I did the

58:28second with Wojciech Urbański , which

58:30was already included in the Vyrypaev

58:32Drunken Drama Theatre , because Wojtek

58:34was doing his diploma with us , but I

58:36didn't participate . After my diploma

58:41with Grażyna Kania , I was very

58:42overwhelmed . I mean , it was the first

58:47stage in my life when I said no for the

58:49first time , meaning I couldn't even get

58:50into the next diploma .

58:54Okay .

58:55Um , but that's a separate story , a very

58:57long one . I don't want to , you know ,

59:02spend the entire podcast

59:06talking about this diploma right now ,

59:08but then that rat race kicks in and

59:10it's about who's going to get the job .

59:14What ?

59:14Because it's the same to a certain

59:16extent , no , not that a bigger role

59:18gives you a better chance to show

59:19yourself .

59:20You can have a role where you go on

59:22stage for five minutes , and

59:23I know you can , and I'm sure they told

59:25you so ,

59:26and but no , it happens that the

59:28director actually does , that it happens

59:30.

59:30Exactly , but of course , if you have an

59:32hour to show yourself on stage . And

59:35what role did you have ?

59:37I had the " Demons in the Hotel " role . A

59:40big , big ,

59:41big role . Exactly .

59:43Big . Okay ,

59:44but

59:44wait , that's that , that's that , that's

59:46that , in

59:47my opinion , that's the

59:51joke of life , that's Grażyna , who was

59:53running workshops for us and wanted to

59:55cast us through those workshops .

59:58Mmm . Hearing all sorts of things , the

1:00:06fencing , but also knowing she was very

1:00:08strict , I was a little scared that I

1:00:10didn't know if it would be right for me

1:00:12, that the collaboration would be so

1:00:13good . And of course , I was involved in

1:00:19those workshops , because generally ,

1:00:21when I'm interested in something , I'm

1:00:23passionate about it , I want to be

1:00:24involved , but I wasn't someone who

1:00:26really wanted to be like some people .

1:00:30You know , wanting too much can

1:00:31sometimes lead to failure .

1:00:33Unfortunately , that's such a common

1:00:35thing in life that there's

1:00:36even a term for it : " tryh hard . " Well ,

1:00:39that's

1:00:39probably what brought this role to mind

1:00:41, that I really felt something like : "

1:00:43And how did you feel when you got the

1:00:45job ? " I felt a huge challenge . I knew

1:00:49it would be . Didn't you ?

1:00:53No , I honestly think it was a very sad

1:00:55moment for me , that I lost a few

1:00:57friends from my year .

1:01:00Well , yes . But it's not your fault . And

1:01:02besides , this industry is like that ,

1:01:04and you knew it well even then . Even if

1:01:06in your first year you could , you know ,

1:01:08I

1:01:08know , but

1:01:09the vision from Kartus still came true ,

1:01:11that everyone was nice and applauding

1:01:12you as an actor , but after four years ,

1:01:14it didn't come back .

1:01:15Well , yes , but you have this vision of

1:01:17a family and we're all together , and

1:01:19then suddenly things like this happen ,

1:01:20and do they

1:01:21say this or just look at you in a bad

1:01:23way ? No , there are situations like that

1:01:25, you know , you hear from someone that

1:01:27someone said something .

1:01:28Very unpleasant , that you don't deserve

1:01:30it , because it's a kind of judgment ,

1:01:31then you know , you shouldn't get it and

1:01:35you're short and speechless , right ?

1:01:37Whatever .

1:01:37Yes .

1:01:41So here , yea , but this work , it doesn't

1:01:43matter how it ended in the end , because

1:01:46it's quite an anecdotal situation ,

1:01:47because our diploma turned out to be

1:01:49plagiarized . Yes , yes , but that's why

1:01:55I'm saying it , it's such a long story I

1:01:57don't want to go into it . So he

1:02:00wanted to hear it once .

1:02:01We were very wronged , I think , but then

1:02:03we were also taken care of .

1:02:05But no , you said your diploma was

1:02:06plagiarized , meaning that you

1:02:08plagiarized , or were you later

1:02:10plagiarized ? Who was the chicken and

1:02:11who was the egg ?

1:02:14Grażyna , simply knowing a play from

1:02:16Berlin because she worked there , put us

1:02:18through something we didn't know about .

1:02:22Okay . And we had the impression that we

1:02:25were , you know , creating our own work ,

1:02:27art . We improvised a lot , so it was

1:02:30quite grotesque that you discover

1:02:31something very similar , but the way we

1:02:34worked was , well , such that you thought

1:02:36we were doing it ourselves . But what's

1:02:41also a funny paradox , um , even though

1:02:43this work was very specific and

1:02:45difficult , and also concluded with

1:02:47something like , for example , I didn't

1:02:49go to Łódź , um , because the rector

1:02:51there took proper care of us , and

1:02:53indeed , if we had gone with the

1:02:55plagiarism , it would have been obvious

1:02:57and people would probably have been

1:02:59outraged , we didn't go to Łódź .

1:03:03Only , it was my only graduation

1:03:05performance , so I was the only one from

1:03:07my year who didn't go to Łódź with

1:03:09nothing , where you can show off . So

1:03:11it's also a funny parade , English , to

1:03:14the drama .

1:03:14Well , yes , but that stemmed from the

1:03:16situation : Agnieszka Glińska was

1:03:18supposed to be doing her graduation

1:03:19performance with us . She wasn't , but

1:03:21she was doing workshops . She saw me

1:03:22there ,

1:03:23and she saw you ,

1:03:24and she saw me

1:03:24in this performance . No , no , no . She's

1:03:27doing something else , and she saw me at

1:03:29these workshops .

1:03:30Wait , did you actually perform it or

1:03:32not ?

1:03:33We performed it all year because we

1:03:34were the first graduation performance

1:03:36we produced ,

1:03:36but before Łódź . Exactly . So , from

1:03:39September to Łódź , we actually

1:03:41performed it a few weeks before Łódź

1:03:43. We found out we weren't going with it

1:03:44. So the paradox is , you know , someone

1:03:48says , " Oh , she got the lead role , now

1:03:51she'll show herself . " No , I often had a

1:03:53situation afterward where a lot of

1:03:55people didn't recognize my class

1:03:57because I wasn't in that boat where you

1:03:59get awards . Casting directors are

1:04:03taking people in , directors . I was

1:04:07lucky that the drama guy showed up and

1:04:09I found a place there , because without

1:04:11him , it's possible I simply don't know

1:04:13what happened next . Of course , that

1:04:15boat isn't everything either , because

1:04:17it's like

1:04:19if Andrzej Wajda were here and heard

1:04:20what you just said ,

1:04:22but he's not .

1:04:24Exactly . Hey , is it true that when you

1:04:27quit drama , you worked in a bar ? In a

1:04:29bar ?

1:04:29Yes , in the Niewinność bar .

1:04:31Oh , where is that ? Where is it ? It's in

1:04:33the Hala Gwardii . I think it still

1:04:35exists .

1:04:35Oh , in the Hala Gwardii . Okay .

1:04:37Yes , but it's the one upstairs .

1:04:39It's

1:04:39now become a floor . Back then , it had

1:04:41one floor .

1:04:42Okay .

1:04:43Greetings to everyone , to all the

1:04:45people I worked with , but it was very

1:04:47short , because

1:04:52then I went to the Wajda School to

1:04:54direct documentaries .

1:04:56And have you seen Mr. Wajda ?

1:04:58Still ? No.

1:04:59Still not . I

1:05:01don't know what's going on . I have no

1:05:02idea what's going on either . Hey , tell

1:05:04me , how do you learn to walk on stilts ?

1:05:07Oh , the

1:05:08serious questions section .

1:05:09Yes , the serious questions section . And

1:05:12, Jasiek Rząddziela , to whom I salute ,

1:05:14one of the greatest clowns and mime

1:05:16artists in Poland .

1:05:18Okay . This is the man who always wears

1:05:22green , whom he played in my film , which

1:05:29I'm editing now , as a solo act without

1:05:31Kaja , but Kaja plays " Kacze Swamp " and

1:05:33Jasiek plays on stilts , so it's funny

1:05:35to

1:05:36recall that ,

1:05:37because you've been able to walk on

1:05:38stilts for a long time .

1:05:39Yes , Jasiek taught me . It was also a

1:05:42magical time , because those were my

1:05:44first steps in the theater . I was at

1:05:48the Winda Theatre in Gdańsk , but I

1:05:50quickly gave it up – after six months ,

1:05:52a year , I think – and moved to the Znak

1:05:54Theatre . And it was a theatre in the

1:05:58Manhattan Gallery in Gdańsk , so funny ,

1:06:00on the top floor . And Anka Kaszuba

1:06:03taught me there . Janusz Gawrysiak and

1:06:07his wife had their own school , and I

1:06:09went to dance classes there , and Anka

1:06:11Kaszuba was preparing me with the

1:06:12lyrics . Janusz Gawrysiak hired me for

1:06:16their community theatre . Mmm .

1:06:19So , when I was applying to university

1:06:21as an 18 - year-old with Jasiek at

1:06:23Jasiek's , as they were ruling , I

1:06:25starred in my first performance , and I

1:06:30was a mime . I had a scene where I

1:06:34walked for 10 minutes with this gait ,

1:06:36you know , like you're running in slow

1:06:38motion , like a very funny video . And

1:06:43Jasiek taught me how to walk on stilts

1:06:44around Gdańsk ,

1:06:46where , you know , we'd lean on bus stops

1:06:49.

1:06:49Yeah , right .

1:06:50And we were walking around town . Hey ,

1:06:52your

1:06:53shoe is attached to something , somehow

1:06:55attached to this platform . It's

1:06:57attached , but do you move your arms too

1:06:59, or not ? Or do you just move your legs

1:07:01? You have legs , you have a midsection

1:07:03like in your legs , leg extension , and

1:07:05the point is , Wednesdays are really

1:07:06about not being able to stand for a

1:07:08moment ,

1:07:09right ?

1:07:09So you're constantly toddling and you

1:07:11have to know how to fall , because

1:07:13in this profession , honey ,

1:07:15exactly . That quickly taught me that

1:07:17you have to know how to fall . Walking

1:07:20on stilts

1:07:20to the house . How do you fall on stilts

1:07:22? Forward , backward , sideways . You

1:07:24have to fall on your knees , right ?

1:07:26Backward is the worst . Because , you

1:07:27know , you can't fall backwards because

1:07:29you're falling flat , right ? You can't

1:07:31even do it somehow ,

1:07:32so what ? That to fold yourself up , if

1:07:34you have to , you have to

1:07:35fall gradually . Okay . Giraffe .

1:07:38Exactly . Like a harmonica . Okay . Oh ,

1:07:41cool .

1:07:41And

1:07:42what else can you do that's so stupid ?

1:07:43You probably trained in boxing , right ?

1:07:45Yes . Yes . For the movie Wake Up with

1:07:48Filip Dzierżawy . Can you

1:07:49box ?

1:07:50I can box .

1:07:51Yes . Andrzej Parzęski trained me .

1:07:54Google it . That's

1:07:55our drop . I'm curious if you can simply

1:07:57box .

1:07:58He trained the best . I can elbow

1:08:01someone , but now

1:08:02with an elbow , I don't want to worry

1:08:03you , and I'm not some mega-expert on

1:08:05that . An elbow isn't boxing .

1:08:07No , no . How so ?

1:08:09Well ,

1:08:10I watched Andrzej Gołoto at 3:00 a.m.

1:08:12fighting .

1:08:12We also went beyond

1:08:14biting off an ear ,

1:08:15but not putting someone down .

1:08:16We also went beyond the boxing

1:08:19kicks . Yes , yes , yes . But , getting back

1:08:25to those stilts , stilts , stilts ,

1:08:30stilts . I

1:08:36remember that , when I was applying to

1:08:38the Theatre Academy — which is a bit

1:08:40inappropriate — but with Śmigaiewicz ,

1:08:42the professor , I already had these

1:08:43final stages , and there was something

1:08:45about preparing for the finals with a

1:08:47given professor , and I was performing

1:08:49at the Znak Theatre near Warsaw , where

1:08:51I played a mother on stilts for the

1:08:52first time , along with three other

1:08:54girls .

1:08:59All on stilts .

1:09:00Yes , we had strollers , and we had a

1:09:02child inside . Wait , we had a child with

1:09:06a Hitler mustache inside , which we set

1:09:08on fire , and we had to spin around the

1:09:10burning children like that . I have it

1:09:14in my notes somewhere . I swear , when I

1:09:17read it , I was convinced it was , that

1:09:19it was

1:09:20some kind of mistake , or that I'd

1:09:22misunderstood something . After all , I

1:09:24had these , I have them , well , I can

1:09:26show you later .

1:09:27Okay , so I had to , it's

1:09:29impossible .

1:09:30I had to tell Professor Śmigasiewicz I

1:09:33was sorry , but I'd have to leave at ,

1:09:35let's say , 4:00 PM . I remember his look

1:09:39, but he — it turned out later — I

1:09:41really liked him , and it was just a

1:09:43game , he was like , " How on earth is the

1:09:46examiner asking me to leave now , and

1:09:48then explaining that he has a theater

1:09:50performance somewhere near Warsaw ? " So

1:09:56that , yea , that probably gave me a

1:09:58certain freedom , too , and speaking of

1:10:00getting in a bit on my luck , that the

1:10:02prospect of being in theater , a sign

1:10:04next year , traveling around the world ,

1:10:07around Poland , I felt like I wouldn't

1:10:09lose anything by not getting in ... and

1:10:11that's how they are . If you don't want

1:10:15it that much , but you have perspective ,

1:10:17life is always much better . I

1:10:19completely agree . I completely agree .

1:10:21Yes . Yes .

1:10:23I feel like I've experienced both sides

1:10:25of it in my life , at least — the more

1:10:27trying side , for sure , and the more

1:10:29relaxed side , too . I guess that comes

1:10:32with age , at least for me . What else

1:10:36can you do ? Can you play poker ?

1:10:38I can fake it . Is that also in LAETM ? I

1:10:41can fake pregnancy . Is

1:10:43that in LA ? Okay .

1:10:46Well , I can , I used to be better at it ,

1:10:49and that was , you know , I could squeeze

1:10:51in line by saying I was four months

1:10:53pregnant .

1:10:54Yes .

1:10:55No.

1:10:55Yes . It's swimming , generally speaking ,

1:10:58it's all about the diaphragm . You can

1:11:00puff it out like that .

1:11:01Yes . Well , that's dinner . That's what I

1:11:05was going to say , like after a big

1:11:07pizza , dominoes

1:11:08on a fat person .

1:11:10But it worked both ways , I'm sure a lot

1:11:12of people knew this game , that there

1:11:14was this guy in class who could suck in

1:11:16his stomach so much that you could see

1:11:18his ribs . Well , I could do it both ways

1:11:21. That's how it is , and that's the

1:11:23diaphragm .

1:11:23Well , the diaphragm and the abdominal

1:11:25muscles .

1:11:25Crazy . Well , that comes in handy . Okay ,

1:11:29let's go back for a moment to 1670 , the

1:11:31wonderful series , which is in its third

1:11:34season and you can watch it on Netflix .

1:11:38Tell me , is this the third season going

1:11:40to be a fourth ?

1:11:42Mhm . It's already been announced , so

1:11:44there will be a fourth season ,

1:11:46and you probably already know what's

1:11:48going to happen in the fourth , and you

1:11:50can't say .

1:11:50M , well , I can't say . That's what

1:11:55I thought . And I can't force an answer

1:11:58out of you , because you know how to box

1:12:00. I wanted to ask you that ,

1:12:02you know . Okay , let's not go into

1:12:04details , but

1:12:05no , I wouldn't want to get elbowed ,

1:12:06because that would be totally unfair ,

1:12:08because I would want to say , if there

1:12:10was boxing now , and you'd elbow me .

1:12:11But you know , I haven't trained in a

1:12:13long time . I feel like I've lost

1:12:15everything . I already ... But there's

1:12:18something about it , I

1:12:19don't have that strength anymore .

1:12:22She looked at her powerful forearm .

1:12:24It's gone . It's not the same anymore .

1:12:28Your character , Aniela , changes from

1:12:30season to season , and this season she's

1:12:33probably changed the most . Of course ,

1:12:35it's probably different when you're

1:12:36playing a specific character , but I

1:12:38think she's the most developed , just as

1:12:40this entire season has been the most

1:12:42developed . Hmm , when you look at this

1:12:47character specifically in Angel , do you

1:12:49judge her by her intentions ? Because

1:12:51she's probably one of the most driven

1:12:53characters in the series , someone who's

1:12:56really driven , someone who wants it so

1:12:58badly . She

1:12:59has very good intentions , but at the

1:13:01same time , she's not necessarily driven

1:13:03. Those intentions always end up as

1:13:05they should . I'm curious how you look

1:13:07at her from the outside .

1:13:08She really wants it too much , from the

1:13:10very first season . Yes , that's an

1:13:13interesting observation . Well , there's

1:13:18also an idea , I think Jakub's Różyło

1:13:20, to show that perspective , which I

1:13:22kind of identify with her too , that

1:13:24they value it too much . It's also about

1:13:29her not finding her place in one world

1:13:31and trying so hard to enter another ,

1:13:33and also pretending in some environment

1:13:35that she's a bit of a different person ,

1:13:37and it ends up being the opposite . And

1:13:42I like that in this third season , I was

1:13:44a little scared at the beginning , and

1:13:46those tricks towards the end — I don't

1:13:48know if we can spoil it , because we can

1:13:50.

1:13:52Mmm . Season three , well , go ahead , the

1:13:57school organization and then taking the

1:13:59students to watch at their house

1:14:04is so John Paul II-esque , so to speak ,

1:14:06and I was a little scared . I had this

1:14:09feeling . Oh . Are we going in this

1:14:11direction where the heroine , who used

1:14:13to make fun of it a bit , looked at it

1:14:14with distance ,

1:14:15becomes him ,

1:14:16becomes a bit of him , and then I had

1:14:18this feeling , and it's actually

1:14:20interesting that ultimately they're all

1:14:25similar , and ...

1:14:26But it was like that last season too ,

1:14:28when you went somewhere like Turkey or

1:14:30something , you had a completely

1:14:31scorching episode , right ? Where you

1:14:34were just , you know , so politically

1:14:36correct that it came out completely the

1:14:38opposite .

1:14:39Yes . Well , I like that it's also a

1:14:43glimpse into modernity , meaning every

1:14:46extreme is dangerous , and she also

1:14:48represents that , in a way , that despite

1:14:50her good intentions , she strays a bit .

1:14:55You could say she's young , so she has

1:14:57the right to be , but

1:14:59okay . Well , yes , you can . But it's more

1:15:02about this girl being a

1:15:04modern girl who only eats organic , buys

1:15:06some cool magazine , and knows about the

1:15:08problems children face on the other

1:15:10side of the world , but doesn't see the

1:15:12problems of kids here . So , I'm also

1:15:15talking about this : for me , it's a

1:15:16situation where a girl from a very good

1:15:18home , participating in weekly protests

1:15:20against the ecological crisis , is

1:15:22pitted against a girl from , for example

1:15:24, a dysfunctional home in my town , who

1:15:26has to deal with not having enough to

1:15:28eat at home .

1:15:29And she won't go to this protest

1:15:30because there aren't any such protests

1:15:32in her town .

1:15:33And it's a bit about this girl , Aniela ,

1:15:34who's trying to convince this girl to

1:15:36join us . Come on . Come on .

1:15:38Well , it's

1:15:39so passionate , isn't it ? But that's the

1:15:40way it

1:15:41is .

1:15:41But why don't you want to go ? But

1:15:42aren't you really interested in the

1:15:43fate of the world ? Well , yes , yes , of

1:15:45course . That's why this series

1:15:47works on so many levels , and I was

1:15:49really amused when I listened . I think

1:15:52it was an interview with you , where you

1:15:53were saying that before the premiere of

1:15:57the first season , because this series

1:15:59picked up speed quite quickly .

1:16:00Well , after the first season , it was at

1:16:02its fastest .

1:16:03Yes , but not even after the first

1:16:05season , but from the very premiere ,

1:16:06there was a very short period when this

1:16:08series became popular , right ? Two weeks

1:16:11and suddenly everyone was talking about

1:16:12it . That you didn't know it at the

1:16:15beginning , which is natural , because

1:16:16how could you have known ? That it was a

1:16:18bit of an alternative for you , a dark

1:16:20humor , we're doing it for the fans , if

1:16:24you can say so , for fans of the genre ,

1:16:26and it turned out that Poles actually

1:16:29resonate with dark humor . We're like ,

1:16:32you know , no , you know , something that

1:16:34was supposed to be alternative or

1:16:36avant-garde is actually mainstream ,

1:16:38and it turns out that the things that

1:16:40have always been in Polish comedy , the

1:16:43most popular ones , have to have an

1:16:44element of absurdity , that black comedy

1:16:47, that it can't be American humor . It's

1:16:49... well ,

1:16:50it doesn't suit us , but you know , it's

1:16:52more Monty Python-esque , some things

1:16:54that are going to be ripped off , they

1:16:55do much better , and suddenly they show

1:16:57that it's totally mainstream in Poland ,

1:16:59and it doesn't have to be , you know ,

1:17:01some festival-y thing . It turns out

1:17:03it's also about everyone having a

1:17:05different sense of humor , and the fact

1:17:07that 1600 became popular , and someone ,

1:17:09for example , I don't know , doesn't get

1:17:11that sense of humor , it's not that they

1:17:13don't have it , but the sense of humor

1:17:15that 1600 has , will get through .

1:17:20Apparently , it turned out that this

1:17:22kind of — I don't know — absurdity ,

1:17:24cringe , this kind of crossing of

1:17:26boundaries , and some kind of political

1:17:28correctness , that there was a huge need

1:17:30for it somewhere , and it found its

1:17:32audience . And as you said , it's the '

1:17:4090s , where these comedies , or even

1:17:42earlier , were also fighting censorship ,

1:17:44that they had to hide something and

1:17:46everything .

1:17:49Yes . Here too , in a way , it seems to me

1:17:54, that it's a satire of modernity

1:17:56dressed in this noble garb , and that's

1:17:58why it distances us , that it's about

1:18:00those people . Well , obviously , there's

1:18:06just some smokescreen , that it's the

1:18:0917th century . I

1:18:14also like that Jakub said , even though

1:18:16these series are different and discuss

1:18:18different topics , and this third season

1:18:20is a bit about the breakdown of the

1:18:22family and a return to it ,

1:18:26that he always said he wanted to show

1:18:29that this world was dark , that it was

1:18:31crumbling and just before the

1:18:33partitions , and for him — in a sense —

1:18:35it's also kind of grotesque , to capture

1:18:37this moment : why did Poland cease to

1:18:39exist for so long afterward , what

1:18:41happened there ? But we all know that

1:18:45this isn't a historical series , and it

1:18:47is grotesque for our modern times , and

1:18:49that , in my opinion , was also so catchy

1:18:51, that it was possible to tell a little

1:18:54about us today with such distance from

1:18:56the perspective of some tenth century .

1:18:59Well , I see this distance , in a sense ,

1:19:01as a very significant shortening of

1:19:03this distance . I don't think so much

1:19:06about the historical aspect when I

1:19:08watch 1670 , but I think to myself that

1:19:10it's done . This form is meant to push

1:19:14us a bit beyond the pale , so that we

1:19:16don't watch another series that's about

1:19:19us now , but is about us then , but

1:19:20really , back then , it's just a picture ,

1:19:24and a

1:19:25very pretty picture . Besides , I mean , I

1:19:27don't know , I don't want a

1:19:29very pretty picture , so you're talking

1:19:31about how it's done visually . I mean ,

1:19:35Maciek Buchwald and Netflix's Akson

1:19:37decided not to make a mockumentary .

1:19:44Imagine if it were shot very dirty , a

1:19:46bit like , I

1:19:48know , What We Do in the Shadows ,

1:19:50for example , and it's

1:19:51not so dirty , but we know what we're

1:19:53talking about .

1:19:55Aesthetically , Nils and the

1:19:56cinematographer decided to go for it ,

1:19:58and it was risky because it takes away

1:20:00from the comedic edge . That dirty

1:20:03camera became a mockumentary , a very

1:20:05good comedy element when we cut to that

1:20:07fourth scene . What's the

1:20:08team ? A nice picture .

1:20:10M. I mean , I like both .

1:20:13Okay .

1:20:14Y , I'm impressed that , despite this

1:20:16nice picture , this more cinematic one ,

1:20:19it still worked .

1:20:20Okay . Because

1:20:21it was a risk , so I like it . It was

1:20:23definitely a comedic hurdle , no , not

1:20:25the comedic aspect . Yes , yes , yes .

1:20:27Absolutely .

1:20:28It impresses me that they took such a

1:20:29risk and that it somehow worked . M ,

1:20:32but I like a dirty camera . I also think

1:20:37it's a bit of a dress rehearsal , which ,

1:20:39in my opinion , we can't afford in

1:20:40Poland . So , doing something

1:20:47very much like you're doing something

1:20:48for yourself ,

1:20:50and you have a very large budget .

1:20:52Yes . It has the opposite effect , which

1:20:56is very difficult to achieve , in my

1:20:58opinion . In Poland , no one would be so

1:21:01keen on pastiche , for example , a parody

1:21:04of a film , but on such a massive scale

1:21:06that you know you don't have $ 100,000

1:21:09for the film , you have , say , $ 7

1:21:11million , and you're just making a joke .

1:21:14I kind of agree with you , but I also

1:21:16kind of disagree .

1:21:18But

1:21:19in the sense that there's dress

1:21:23rehearsal and everything Naon Felder is

1:21:25doing and that film coming out soon .

1:21:27Jesus , I'm looking forward to it so

1:21:29much , I'm looking forward to it like no

1:21:31other .

1:21:32When is it coming out ?

1:21:33October , November , I think . Yes . These

1:21:37are things that are , above all ,

1:21:39brilliantly written , and only then is

1:21:41there , in the sense that the series you

1:21:43mentioned , the dress rehearsal , and

1:21:45especially the second season , which has

1:21:47a very large budget , and the first

1:21:49season , which had a large one ,

1:21:51these are things that came after

1:21:52several years of continuing to make

1:21:54brilliantly written things on a much ,

1:21:56much smaller scale . However , I have

1:21:58this fear that in Poland there are far

1:22:01fewer well-written things worth

1:22:02investing in , because huge sums are

1:22:04being poured into utterly mediocre

1:22:06scripts . Those are the facts . The

1:22:10question is , where are these good

1:22:12scripts ? They're out there . I don't

1:22:14believe that , you

1:22:16know , Poles can't write good scripts .

1:22:18Well , I've been saying this

1:22:20for years , and I say it with concern ,

1:22:21not irony , that this is the thing

1:22:23that's most flawed in our country . We

1:22:25already know how to write a picture .

1:22:27Mmm . We have amazing actors , we

1:22:29definitely have great directors . In my

1:22:32opinion , the script is still what makes

1:22:34something breakthrough .

1:22:37And 1670 is a perfect example of this

1:22:39argument , because if the 1671 season

1:22:42had a different script , nothing would

1:22:44have come together and it would have

1:22:46been just another show that came out ,

1:22:47shined , and faded away , and we'd never

1:22:49remember it . There

1:22:50are definitely writers who write well .

1:22:52I know about it . But

1:22:54why can't people discover them ?

1:22:55Something's

1:22:56eating them up . Or why these scripts

1:23:00don't make it to production , I don't

1:23:01know either . Well , that's the question ,

1:23:05it's some kind of system that might

1:23:07still be malfunctioning .

1:23:12And how , because you usually have this

1:23:14very sweet fun of taking pictures with

1:23:16animals on set .

1:23:20Yes , it came about spontaneously and

1:23:22wasn't planned , you know . I'm guessing ,

1:23:24and how are the animals doing on the

1:23:27set of 1670 ? Is there , as it's Netflix ,

1:23:30or is there a dedicated person from

1:23:32that

1:23:33animal rights organization ? Yes ,

1:23:36because I heard that they're supposedly

1:23:37people who travel all over the world ,

1:23:39come to the sets , and check if the

1:23:41animals are in good conditions .

1:23:43There's even a situation where if

1:23:45there's a Mr. Marian who has his goats ,

1:23:47Mr. Marian comes with his goats , and

1:23:48they're his goats ,

1:23:51and he doesn't care about them on the

1:23:52set . There are , uh , tons of people , uh ,

1:23:55because it depends on what . There are

1:23:58people who have their own horses ,

1:24:00chickens , and someone else takes care

1:24:02of them , and so on , and that's the

1:24:04whole other thing .

1:24:05I'd like to be a chicken on set , eating

1:24:08premium food .

1:24:08You're a bit too high . You

1:24:11have , I know , but the intellectual

1:24:13level

1:24:14matches . It's totally fine .

1:24:17You get premium , you know , some grains .

1:24:19I've heard that even the working hours

1:24:21of the animals are very strict . It's

1:24:23like , I know , I mean , it's also

1:24:25difficult , for example , when there are

1:24:28dogs , well , then , like with children ,

1:24:30it's six hours after .

1:24:32Well , that's because animals have a

1:24:34much smaller working window than human

1:24:36actors .

1:24:37The chat is

1:24:38amazing . Come on . We're

1:24:39also dogs . And yet , 12 hours .

1:24:42No , but you know , furries . And ,

1:24:44you know , the level of cuteness in dogs

1:24:45and in humans is the same . Well , sorry ,

1:24:47but it's

1:24:48true . So it's very , very cool , and I

1:24:51imagine that on the set of a production

1:24:54like this , the quality of the set also

1:24:56changed from the first season to the

1:24:58third — I don't know , from your

1:25:00perspective , backstage — just the work

1:25:02there .

1:25:06People seem to think that it's like

1:25:08this from year to year , and it's good ,

1:25:10it's more spectacular

1:25:13because the final product looks better ,

1:25:16because it's also about how they

1:25:18allowed themselves to have our , I don't

1:25:20know , more locations , and so on . So ,

1:25:24production-wise , it's probably just

1:25:26harder to manage , but the bar was set

1:25:28very high by all the people working on

1:25:30the first season . I don't

1:25:34think I had that feeling that , once we

1:25:37felt it was a big success , we'd be

1:25:39nicer to each other , for example , and

1:25:41we'd try harder . But I feel that the

1:25:46success of the first season also

1:25:47happened because all the departments —

1:25:50set design , makeup , and so on — put

1:25:52much more into it than they even had

1:25:54the resources to

1:25:57work on the first season . That's why I

1:25:59didn't feel such a leap in the second

1:26:01season , that , you know , everyone was

1:26:03suddenly running twice as fast , because

1:26:05in the first season they were already

1:26:06running

1:26:07very fast .

1:26:11And it's impressive to me that everyone

1:26:13, having their own task to complete ,

1:26:15treated it as something they simply

1:26:17poured their whole heart into . There

1:26:25was this feeling , this aura in the air ,

1:26:27that — and as you say — it came from

1:26:29the text , that we all knew what we had

1:26:31was great , and to now take it well , to

1:26:34now jump to this text and ...

1:26:39and it all coalesced into this whole ,

1:26:41that this work was collective , that it

1:26:46wasn't some product where someone was

1:26:48sitting around , I don't have to do this

1:26:49. Somewhere ,

1:26:51right ? The team is too young , too

1:26:53ambitious yet . There will be

1:26:54time for such things , for becoming

1:26:56jaded and tired of the material . It's

1:26:59probably difficult when you feel like

1:27:01you're doing something you already know

1:27:03.

1:27:04Would you like to do something else ?

1:27:07Yes . I've always wanted to do something

1:27:09else . I have this feeling that , you

1:27:12know , three seasons , cool , there'll be

1:27:14a fourth , but yeah , and I guess the

1:27:16money is phenomenal , I don't know .

1:27:19I think it's great . It's good to have a

1:27:21job , it's good to have a living from

1:27:23your profession . You have a crew you

1:27:26love , because it's also about that ,

1:27:31so it's a huge privilege to work with

1:27:33people who have a similar sense of

1:27:35humor to you , to feel , you know ,

1:27:37nurtured creatively , meaning you're

1:27:38part of the project . I've never felt

1:27:46like a leading actress who shows up .

1:27:48Take it , come here , leave . Only if

1:27:51something wasn't right in the script , I

1:27:53could discuss it with Maciek , Kordian ,

1:27:55the directors , the actors , and I had

1:27:57some input ,

1:27:59and that raised the bar very high for

1:28:01other projects where if someone hadn't

1:28:03given me this , for example , I would

1:28:05have had something like this , and now I

1:28:07have to take 10 steps back , meaning I'm

1:28:09nobody here , I just have to say my

1:28:10lines and leave . So I'm grateful that

1:28:15this project exists and is developing ,

1:28:18but also that it generates some time in

1:28:20which you work , and in Poland we only

1:28:22have 365 days , probably abroad too . And

1:28:28a

1:28:28very low kick , a joke out of nowhere .

1:28:31Good , good . Um , and uh , when half of

1:28:34that time , half of that time , uh , you

1:28:37devote it to this series — because it's

1:28:39also about that . Maciek Buchwald

1:28:43recently said in our panel that they

1:28:45work even longer because I'm the one

1:28:47who goes on set , does fittings , script

1:28:49readings , but they're in pre-production

1:28:52.

1:28:53Pre-production much earlier and in

1:28:54editing later , where I'm no longer

1:28:56present . In reality , the creators work

1:28:58on it for almost a year . And then

1:29:01someone knocks it out in four hours ,

1:29:04and it's like , aha , someone's year's

1:29:06work is watched . And Maciek talks about

1:29:09it so funny , and it's like , four hours

1:29:11I didn't like , I liked , and they have

1:29:13the right to do that , but that's

1:29:15exactly what it is , well , let me

1:29:17remind you , we have the right to do

1:29:19that . Yes , you absolutely have the

1:29:21right to do that , and that's why we

1:29:23make films , so people can express their

1:29:25opinions . But

1:29:28if you're asking if you want to do

1:29:29something else , then the series is more

1:29:31difficult because you're continuing to

1:29:33do something for a long time . You also

1:29:40have to visually be stuck in something ,

1:29:42and in the context of working on other

1:29:44projects , there are different

1:29:46challenges and a different kind of

1:29:47stress , like joining a new team , and I

1:29:49think that to develop , at some point

1:29:51you need to step outside your comfort

1:29:53zone . And then I just feel so cared for

1:30:02by the creators , and you know , Jakub

1:30:04Rużyło is developing Aniela somewhere

1:30:06, so there are challenges , but a

1:30:08completely different project , a

1:30:10completely different role , would

1:30:12probably be much more stressful than

1:30:14entering the fourth season .

1:30:17I have this kind of anxiety when I

1:30:19think about this series and when I

1:30:21listen to you , because on the one hand ,

1:30:23you know , I wish you well and I want

1:30:24you to be able to do cool things . Okay ,

1:30:27so close . So on the one hand , I want

1:30:31this show to continue , and , you know ,

1:30:33let people watch it , and let Netflix

1:30:35take the next seasons for granted , you

1:30:37know , a big fat buck , everything's fine

1:30:40, but on the other hand ,

1:30:43I think I can empathize enough to know

1:30:45that it would also be nice to do other

1:30:47things , and I have the impression that

1:30:49the creators , Jakub for example , know

1:30:51that good shows are the ones that

1:30:55simply end at a certain point , not the

1:30:57ones that — with a few exceptions like

1:30:59The Sopranos , you know — ( ) .

1:31:01which don't have seven seasons , but

1:31:03fewer .

1:31:04Mhm .

1:31:04And just balance things out somewhere .

1:31:08We don't know if the fourth season will

1:31:10be the last . So , we don't

1:31:13know . I

1:31:14mean , maybe you know .

1:31:17I don't know either , but you can have

1:31:18it .

1:31:20Because this one ended in a way that

1:31:22could have been the last . The

1:31:24Sopranos has seven seasons , and no

1:31:25one's complaining about that . They're

1:31:27probably complaining the other way ,

1:31:28that it could have been even more .

1:31:29And what about The Wire ? Yes , it is .

1:31:31Have you seen The Wire ?

1:31:32I didn't see the whole thing . It's like

1:31:34with The Sopranos . Wow .

1:31:35Yes . Yes , it is .

1:31:39Well , with The Sopranos , I watched part

1:31:41of it , just like I told you today , and

1:31:43I didn't finish it , and then I'm

1:31:45finally

1:31:48watching it all the way through . And

1:31:51with The Wire , I had three or four

1:31:52attempts to start it over , because you

1:31:54know , if you watch , for example , the

1:31:56first season and then leave it for six

1:31:58months , you have to watch it

1:32:02again , and I'm irritated that I'm

1:32:06going to try again , but life has always

1:32:08worked out that with The Wire , I've

1:32:10always had some bad luck that I

1:32:11couldn't finish it . Because those four

1:32:14seasons are also worth watching , and I

1:32:16don't remember watching it the first

1:32:18time ; it was just a rumor I heard , and

1:32:20it could be completely made up . So , you

1:32:22know , my friend told me there was

1:32:24supposed to be another season .

1:32:26Mmm .

1:32:27The Wire , but I don't

1:32:29know if it's true anymore , or if I

1:32:31didn't read it later , but it was

1:32:33written for four seasons , so what's

1:32:34your favorite movie ? What are your

1:32:36three favorite movies ?

1:32:37Three movies .

1:32:38Welcome to LetBox . What are your four

1:32:40favorite movies ? I'm afraid that when I

1:32:43talk about it in a few interviews , each

1:32:45time

1:32:45I don't know any of them , I haven't

1:32:47seen any of them , so you can repeat

1:32:48yourself .

1:32:49No , it's possible I won't repeat myself

1:32:51. Because it's like this : I haven't

1:32:53heard your answer

1:32:54more than three favorite movies . I

1:32:56don't have

1:32:56Shrek , obviously .

1:32:58Obviously .

1:32:59Yes , we all love Shrek , including

1:33:01Alpacino .

1:33:02Mhm . Mhm . Uhm , one of the maybe

1:33:06lesser-known ones is

1:33:08Oh yes ,

1:33:09yes , because

1:33:10wait ,

1:33:10because it's good , you know , like ,

1:33:12clean up the lice ,

1:33:13clear your mind now . Give me four

1:33:14movies , or however many you want ,

1:33:17but ones that

1:33:20are also niche , new horizons , criterion

1:33:22. And then we'll do this ,

1:33:24and then we'll do mainstream ones , but

1:33:26let's do this . I mean , they're not that

1:33:29great , because I suspect that cinema

1:33:31fanatics are already into that kind of

1:33:33really , New Horizons cinema , hard level

1:33:35,

1:33:35so it's possible that I'll say

1:33:37mainstream things now . You know what I

1:33:39mean ,

1:33:41Tony Erdman .

1:33:43Okay . That's

1:33:44okay for me , let's

1:33:46say it's a little mainstream , a little

1:33:48not . Sandra Hler is totally mainstream ,

1:33:50but

1:33:51that was before her peak , which is now ,

1:33:53so

1:33:54before the actor who plays her father

1:33:55is unfortunately dead .

1:33:57You know , there was supposed to be an

1:33:59American adaptation . There's

1:34:01no Polish one . It's a shame .

1:34:03Would you like that ? No , for me , this

1:34:05film is so phenomenal , in terms of the

1:34:07father-daughter relationship and the

1:34:10loneliness , and

1:34:11the scene where she's left alone at the

1:34:13end , he's supposed to take a photo of

1:34:15her , and then he comes out and she's

1:34:17sitting by those bushes . I don't know .

1:34:20I , I'm ... I have this thing where there

1:34:23are films that just resonate with me on

1:34:25some level , I don't know , like , no ,

1:34:27it's not about being able to verbalize

1:34:29it : " and this is about this and that , "

1:34:31but in my opinion , the director

1:34:33captured some sense of realizing how

1:34:35far you've sunk into your workaholism ,

1:34:37how alone you are , and that your father

1:34:39is making you aware of it . And she's

1:34:44standing there and it — I don't know if

1:34:46she's acting , but I understand it this

1:34:48way , that they edited it this way , that

1:34:50I read it this way ; it's so wordless to

1:34:53me . They told it , it's so ...

1:34:57Okay . I , because you kind of told me to

1:34:59rewatch it , because I don't remember

1:35:01that scene , unfortunately . I remember

1:35:03seeing it ,

1:35:04and then I remember hearing not long

1:35:06after that there was going to be an

1:35:09American adaptation , and you know who

1:35:11was supposed to play it ? But that was

1:35:13Father Nicholson back then .

1:35:15No ,

1:35:15that old Jack Nicholson . Pretty crazy .

1:35:19It's not jaw-dropping , now that he's

1:35:22already that crazy , right ? He's

1:35:24somewhere in his mansion . I wonder who

1:35:26Sandra is . I'm

1:35:27not supposed to say , but

1:35:29apparently Martyna Bczkowska won't be

1:35:30there .

1:35:31Hello ? Who ? They're calling , wait , I

1:35:33can't talk . I can't

1:35:34talk . Oh look , they're calling me now .

1:35:37Yes , yes .

1:35:39Oh , it's already 2:17 PM . It's already

1:35:422:18 PM .

1:35:442:17 PM . I have to write because I had

1:35:46an appointment .

1:35:47Oh , well , well .

1:35:48With my Ania .

1:35:50So , you had an appointment with mine .

1:35:52We're recording with your Ania .

1:35:54With my Ania . Well , well . Do you still

1:35:56have a moment ?

1:35:57Yes . Well . Well , well , because I don't

1:35:59actually , we didn't guess what time it