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0:12you

0:19welcome to our sixth annual riders

0:22symposium by the sea at Point Loma

0:24Nazarene University I'm Dean Nelson on

0:26the journalism faculty at Point Loma

0:28Nazarene University and we have the

0:30privilege of having Ray Bradbury with us

0:33tonight ray has written more than 30

0:35books more than 500 short stories and

0:38poems written for television written for

0:41screenplays written for everything from

0:43weird detective to or Weird Tales I'm

0:45sorry to to Alfred Hitchcock to Twilight

0:50Zone two screenplays such as the

0:54screenplay for Moby Dick he embodies

0:56what we believe is is the the great

0:59thing about writing which is good

1:01writing is good writing it goes across

1:03genres it goes across two different

1:05styles and Ray Bradbury it's a pleasure

1:08to have you with us thank you it's

1:09evening now you have said that you don't

1:12write science fiction that's right

1:14you write about people well I write

1:16fantasy and the only science fiction

1:20I've written is Fahrenheit 451 it's the

1:23art of the possible

1:24see Fahrenheit is a realistic science

1:28fiction novel it it could happen and

1:31that has happened of our portions of it

1:33we're witnessing part of it in our

1:36society now a local television news is

1:39sort of thing that's in Fahrenheit for

1:43if I want all the local television news

1:46today's crap isn't it it's all

1:50ten-second sound bytes 15-second sound

1:53bytes

1:54we're being fragmented all the

1:58commercials you watch have 30 clips of

2:03film for a 30-second commercial and 60

2:07clips of film for a 60 second a

2:10commercial not so your mind is all over

2:13the place there's no thought that

2:15metaphors are scattered that you have

2:18the feeling that you're thinking but

2:21you're not thinking huh so what I put in

2:24Fahrenheit is Illustrated every night on

2:27television if you die you've got to be

2:30awfully famous

2:32to deserve more than 15 seconds huh so

2:35there you go

2:36all right now now you told the New York

2:39Times you told the New York Times years

2:43ago that my business is to present the

2:45future preventive prevent future all

2:49right because what I wrote what I

2:51started write down was a number of

2:53things from your books that you that you

2:57wrote about that years later have have

3:00actually happened and here's here's just

3:02a partial list the Sony Walkman I read

3:06about that in something you wrote 40

3:08years ago that's in Fahrenheit yeah

3:09exactly

3:10lawns that grow to only a certain height

3:12and then they stopped growing

3:14I read about that in one of your books

3:16mechanical dogs there that was in

3:19Fahrenheit interactive television

3:21virtual reality technology space travel

3:24even references to Who Wants to Be a

3:27Millionaire in some of your that's right

3:30and some of your books and I'm saying

3:32you wrote that you said that you write

3:34to prevent the future and yet some of

3:37the things you wrote about at least on

3:38some of these items have in fact come

3:40true well they people weren't listening

3:42were they and and you can't go against

3:48hungers and needs and we'll work our way

3:51through this and we're convinced we've

3:54got to watch TV and what we gotta watch

3:58is the better stations the cable cable

4:00stations CNN does good work Fox cable

4:04does good work and of course you can

4:06look at the old movies channels if you

4:09really want to get educated to the past

4:12of filmmaker that's that's terrific but

4:15local CTV News is an abomination though

4:19they're only out to to show you funerals

4:23diseases accidents rapes and murders all

4:28that good stuff all that good stuff that

4:31they don't care about humanity not for a

4:34moment they're off for one more disaster

4:36so that's that's why they put in the

4:38book no dude have you ever had the

4:40thought that you can actually see into

4:42the future

4:42I mean you've written so many things

4:44that have

4:45that have come to pass know if you pay

4:48attention to what's going on in front of

4:50you

4:51it's very easy to predict what's going

4:53to happen because human character

4:56doesn't change that much the the best

4:59thing I predicted and hope for was space

5:03travel of course landing on the moon and

5:06we've got to continue that we've been

5:08doing things with the space shuttle the

5:11last 15 years which is a bore you know

5:13that's not where we belong

5:15200 miles above Earth we belong on the

5:18moon we belong on Mars goddammit you

5:21know and here we are with the damn space

5:24shuttle it lands like a plane I don't

5:26want to see a plane land

5:29I'm afraid that Clinton will come out at

5:32any moment

5:38okay okay now you you have this thing

5:45you called the theater of the morning

5:48that's right

5:49I want you to describe for our audience

5:51what the theater of the morning is what

5:53happens when you get up every year but

5:55people are saying do you write about

5:57dreams as no I write about a semi dream

6:01state the best time that's why I want

6:05you to pack your minds with lots of

6:06metaphors because when you wake in the

6:09early morning you're not dreaming and

6:11you're not fully awake and all the

6:13metaphors are turned loose in your head

6:16between your ears and you can lie in bed

6:18and watch them floating around in front

6:21of you and then two of them collide and

6:25make a new metaphor and you jump up and

6:28running your typewriter and capture it

6:30before it goes poetry like occurs that

6:34way quite often but if you're lazy and

6:37lie there and you get up five minutes

6:40later it's gone unless you have a

6:43fantastic memory and I don't so every

6:46morning I just love that moment of

6:49waking up with an idea floating in my

6:52head it's not a dream and that's not

6:55completely awake now you might

6:58experiment with this maybe it won't work

6:59for some of you but it's been working

7:02for me for years another good time is

7:04the shower taking a shower and the water

7:08hits you and you have total relaxation

7:10and your brains loose inside your skull

7:13huh and you can think anything you want

7:16to or sometimes taking a nap to nap we

7:20are not completely asleep and not

7:22completely awake these are all good

7:24states for discovering stories that

7:28might be of some help you all right now

7:32when you have you have also said in the

7:35past that you wrote for ten years and

7:38then at some point you realized you'd

7:40been doing it all wrong and then you

7:42wrote a story in one hour that made the

7:45hair on the back of your neck stand up

7:47and then you realized you were doing it

7:48right that's right what happened

7:51I learned not to look at other writers I

7:53learned to be myself up until that time

7:56I was so busy being enamored of other

8:00talents and why had to be them it's

8:03ridiculous you can't can't do that

8:05but I had a memory of an encounter I had

8:11when I was 8 years old on the beach back

8:15in Illinois and Lake Michigan and I was

8:19on the shore with this little girl and

8:21we were building sandcastles and she

8:24went out in the water and she never came

8:26back

8:27that was my first encounter with death I

8:30didn't understand I kept asking my

8:32mother why didn't she come back where is

8:35she they never found her huh so that

8:37memory came back on that day when I was

8:4022 I was sitting out in the Sun with my

8:43portable typewriter and quite suddenly

8:46the memory of that little girl not

8:48coming back

8:49so I wrote a short story to bring her

8:51out of water huh 30 years later and then

8:55when I'd finished it tears were pouring

8:57down my face I realized for the first

9:00time I'd written something true and

9:02honest and real and wonderful and from

9:06that day on I began to go into my

9:08subconscious and drag out all these

9:11wonderful things so but thank God for

9:14that one memory Wow now talk talk to us

9:18for a minute about the difference

9:21between thinking and feeling when it

9:23comes to writing you you aren't real big

9:25on thinking first no well first of all

9:29you can't imagine a story

9:30you can't think of ahead you have to

9:33live it and these people that sell you

9:38want plotting there are books I've seen

9:40constructing the screenplay constructing

9:43the screenplay what the hell is that

9:46that's why so many screenplays are our

9:49lousy aren't that you can just see

9:51people sitting at a meeting saying but

9:54we'll do this next we'll do that next

9:56why don't we try this why don't we try

9:58that

9:58that's all intellectual crap it's it's

10:02all mr. Bathory and everyone trying to

10:06one-up someone else so you can't do that

10:10look on writing as a snowfield

10:13and it's pure and you have your

10:17characters that you believe in each of

10:19them has a destiny you've got to know

10:21what each of them lost madly huh and

10:25then you fire off a gun and send your

10:28characters running out on the fields of

10:30snow pursuing their dream their desire

10:33their want and after they run you look

10:37in the snow and you see their footprints

10:39there's your structure you see but you

10:41can't imagine that you got to run first

10:44it's like that writing is like any other

10:47love in your life we're all terrified of

10:50one another in certain age I took girls

10:52out to movies where I could afford to

10:55when I was 19 I just had enough money to

10:58buy a malted milk and a movie huh and

11:01walk the girl home and on the way home

11:03you think well when we get to her front

11:06door and going to say goodnight I

11:08grabbed her by the elbows and I give her

11:10a big smooch huh and you get to the

11:13front door and she opens the door and

11:16you look at her and you say night and

11:20you you walk down the street say Jesus

11:23Christ dummy dummy dummy

11:27and then the next night the same goddamn

11:30thing happens out was years before I was

11:35giving a lecture at the Unitarian Church

11:3720 years ago I looked down the front row

11:40and here's this girl I used to take to

11:43the movies

11:43she's middle-aged now okay ah so she

11:47came up and she said ray she went to

11:52high school with me she said I heard you

11:54you know try and I said that's right she

11:56said you need a lift home

11:58I said yes he she said can I give you a

12:01lift I said sure so she drove me home

12:05and when we got in front of my house I

12:09reached over grabbed her by the elbows

12:11and gave her a big smooch and I said

12:14there I should have done that 30 years

12:16ago and we both broke apart yeah and

12:19we've been good friends since I I write

12:22to her I invite her to my place stuff

12:25and but I'm sure glad didn't marry her

12:28you know she had changed over the years

12:33and so it I and I've got a perfectly

12:35wonderful wife but there's a good

12:37example of the fears that we're working

12:40for working with you know in our writing

12:43and we don't know that the fears that we

12:46have so therefore when I did the lake

12:49that encouraged me to try other dreams

12:52of frustration and death and life and

12:55need huh and getting all these things

12:58out but it took all those years from the

13:02age of 12 to 22 you you write every day

13:07don't you you must write every day every

13:10day of your life

13:11I give us the piano player analogy a

13:14piano player who doesn't practice one

13:16day yeah he knows it well if you don't

13:19write every day you'll get sick

13:21the writing is a process of cleansing

13:25yourself as well as all the other things

13:27we don't know how it works but it does

13:30work I haven't gotten that yet huh I've

13:34never used a psychiatrist I've never

13:36used a psychoanalyst

13:37good riding is automatically cleansing

13:41of the soul now I don't quite know how

13:43it works but if you do honest work

13:46passionate work and and and deal with

13:50your real fears I think you can have a

13:53pretty good life and not need help from

13:56outside maybe it doesn't work that way

13:58for everybody but it sure as hell has

14:01worked for me

14:02here's the piano player analogy I was

14:04saying you you have said that if a piano

14:06player doesn't practice one day he knows

14:09it the trophy doesn't practice for two

14:11days his critics know it if he doesn't

14:14practice for three days then his

14:15audience knows it that's right and and

14:17the analogy you've drawn is that writing

14:19is the same way after a while if you

14:21know if you aren't doing it every day

14:22people will notice no I never give them

14:25a chance okay no the most I've ever gone

14:30without writing is sometimes when I

14:32travel but even there

14:34you got a pad and pencil with you and

14:35you get your work done

14:37so I don't feel well if I don't write

14:41the I hadn't experienced a year ago and

14:47I was in the hospital for a month and

14:49that was a real endangerment not only to

14:52my life but to my writing and it was

14:55really bad the first week because I

14:57didn't have a chance to write but after

14:59the second week then I began to dictate

15:02over the phone not it's not good writing

15:05dictation is is only 50% good stuff huh

15:10but writing the typewriter is the real

15:15stuff so there came the closest to being

15:17really depressed a year ago in the

15:20hospital but then as soon as possible I

15:24began to teach myself to type again and

15:27then I was back back in shape now in in

15:32many of your books there have been what

15:34at least I perceive to be a religious

15:37theme about some there have been many

15:38biblical references you in fact you

15:41rewrote the Last Supper scene in

15:43graveyard for lunatics where you said

15:45actually it wasn't that Last Supper that

15:47you know up there in the oh yeah

15:50there was another place but but my

15:51question and actually you've got a new

15:53book coming out for burned-out preachers

15:55and and rabbis and and priests yeah and

16:00and I'm just wondering is are there some

16:01religious themes under there in writings

16:05well all of our writing is religious I

16:07mean if you care about living at all

16:10isn't it you you don't have to make up a

16:13religion you don't have to invoke the

16:16biblical things that you learned in

16:18Sunday school you'd have to be technical

16:22about it if you were celebratory the

16:27Jews say to life don't they to life

16:30that's a great proclamation to that

16:36people have often said to me do you

16:39believe in Darwin Darwin's theory has a

16:41job believe in that do believe in the

16:44Marx theory of of the movement of the

16:47generations of animals a wishing

16:50themselves to new forms secret desires

16:54yes I I believe that do you believe in

16:57Genesis the first book of the Bible yes

17:00I believe that they said how can you

17:03believe all three I said because nothing

17:06is proven nothing is proven so there's

17:10room for a religious delicatessen huh I

17:14take some ADIZ some of those and some it

17:17down huh

17:19because we just don't know that's have

17:24you seen these various documentaries on

17:27TV the last few years

17:28tonight you're going to find the secret

17:31of life how did life come on the earth

17:34what makes the Sun burn that's cetera et

17:37cetera et cetera

17:38well you're tuned in and he'll let him

17:40tell you that they don't know the the

17:44earth came out of the Sun took a billion

17:46years to cool the rains fell the first

17:49primitive plants came up the the pawns

17:52of scum created niba like creatures but

17:58there was no life here lightning struck

18:00the chemistry of the world the inanimate

18:03minerals decided to live how come how

18:07come we don't know we don't know it just

18:11it just happened that's not much of an

18:13explanation is it it just happened

18:17that's really scientific is it that's

18:20what the scientists say it just happened

18:22well he'll give me some lightning I'll

18:25go make my own life so so the thing is

18:32there's room to believe it all because

18:38you are the inhabit ours of a miraculous

18:41world why have we been put here the

18:46question is asked time and again shall I

18:49give you the answer have you been

18:51waiting for the answer I've got it for

18:54you okay

18:54there's no use having a universe and

18:58billions of stars I've done shows for

19:02the Smithsonian planetarium and you look

19:06at pictures of star systems billions of

19:11light-years away huh there's no end of

19:14the universe it goes on forever they

19:17talk about the Big Bang I got into a lot

19:19of problems with the Smithsonian I wrote

19:21a program for the planetarium and I

19:24wrote a 30 page program and they sat

19:27back 28 pages of criticism

19:30just like most generators huh and I

19:34called him I said what's the problem

19:35they said well you got stuff in here

19:39that's not very scientific I said what

19:42do you want do you want to go back to

19:43boring people I've been in your

19:45planetarium and at ten minutes into the

19:49program everyone's snoring huh you I

19:53said should I tell you what's wrong with

19:55your planetarium you are teaching when

19:58you should be preaching you cannot teach

20:01with the planetarium

20:02you've got to preach let me raise my

20:06voice for you and stand back and I'll

20:11wake people up and make them care about

20:14being alive in this universe so I said

20:18what's the one thing that makes you the

20:20most nervous about my script for the

20:22planetarium he said well you got a thing

20:24there about the Big Bang Theory

20:27occurring twelve billion years ago in

20:30the this part of the universe I said

20:33when did it happen is that 14 billion

20:37years ago I said prove it

20:47they didn't like me I shouldn't have

20:52said that huh there's no proof there's

20:55no proof so after a while I called him

20:59on the phone after six weeks of arguing

21:03back and forth I said how much do you

21:06owe me right now they said sixteen

21:08thousand dollars I said give me seven

21:10thousand and let me go this is a bad

21:14marriage we're never going to make it

21:16you promised to take me into the woods

21:20and you never have

21:25pay me the money and let me go so I took

21:28my program and I came out and put it in

21:32the Air and Space Museum in Los Angeles

21:35down to exposition Park next time you're

21:39down there go upstairs it's a thing I've

21:42called windows on the universe and I

21:45have done a 12-minute program explaining

21:48the history of astronomy in the world

21:50and our future in space a million years

21:54from tonight okay so my experience the

22:01answer the question I posed a few

22:03minutes ago

22:04what are we doing here there's no use

22:06having universe is there there you know

22:09use having a billion stars

22:11there's no use having a planet earth if

22:14there isn't someone here to see it

22:17you are the audience you are here to

22:22witness and celebrate to witness and

22:25celebrate and you got a lot to see a lot

22:29to celebrate that's your business

22:31you put in your work you put in your

22:34stories otherwise get the hell out and

22:37and get out of our way and let us live

22:39huh if you're going to be a cynic if

22:42you're going to be a pessimist you

22:44there's no hope for you I can't help you

22:48you've got to help yourself but we are

22:50here as an audience God cries out to be

22:55saved whatever God is we have we have

22:58various names we make it much too

23:01anthropomorphic that's not what it's all

23:03about creation the universe Jehovah you

23:08name it it's all mysterious but we are

23:11here to be the audience to the

23:15miraculous we are privileged to but

23:18you're going to be alive once you're

23:20never coming back think of that you've

23:23got one chance to pay back uooo uooo

23:28to the universe the burden of proof is

23:33in your lap and in your writing and you

23:36got to pay back I demand it

23:39you get the hell out of here and do that

23:41and you're going to have a good life

23:43what in hell was the question well

23:55right I don't remember either

23:59he's wheat we was afraid that's me yeah

24:02we have we have just a couple of minutes

24:05left and so what I have asked you to do

24:08is to have you read a poem that you

24:10wrote about yourself that was in the

24:13wonderful book the Zen in the art of

24:15writing I'd like to if you'll permit

24:18till no experience I had in London

24:2431 32 years ago when we landed on the

24:26moon to show you what kind of person I

24:29am

24:29people are always saying why do you like

24:32space travel well you you've heard part

24:35of my reasons that we are destined to go

24:39out from the earth to land on the moon

24:41again to go to Mars into Alpha Centauri

24:44to make life immortal for a few more

24:49thousand or maybe a million years life

24:53is worth it with all with all the bad

24:56things I know all the bad things I know

24:59the wars the Holocaust and the meanness

25:02the bad spirits but then I know all the

25:06good things too I know William

25:08Shakespeare and no Emily Dickinson I

25:11know Robert Frost

25:12I know Rudyard Kipling and though

25:14Dickens and oh sure my god we take them

25:19with us huh we take them with us we have

25:22a chance to live forever or almost

25:25because we are the cognizant part of the

25:28universe that's worth saving we've got

25:31to believe that we have to believe in

25:33ourselves so David Frost invited me to

25:37come on his show the night we landed on

25:40the moon in July of 1969 I arrived at

25:45David Frost's studio in London at 8

25:48o'clock we landed on the moon at 8:30

25:51and I prepared to go on to explain to

25:55people what the hell we were doing on

25:57the moon huh because I want people to

26:00know what I believe David Frost made a

26:03big introduction I thought he's talking

26:07about American Jean

26:08it's got to be me and he says then here

26:12he is Engelbert Humperdinck

26:18well Engelbert Humperdinck came up and

26:23sang his stupid song and then David

26:28Frost said we have in there another

26:30American genius here tonight I thought

26:32this time it's got to be me and he says

26:34Sammy Davis jr. well I knew Sammy and

26:38wonderful guy wonderful town and I've

26:40been with them the day before with my

26:42daughter's has terrific day but this is

26:45not the night for Engelbert Humperdinck

26:47and Sammy Davis I'm sorry it's the night

26:51to discover what the hell we're doing

26:52with our spaceships huh so I walked off

26:56the show producer came running after me

26:59he said what are you doing I said I'm

27:02leaving he said you can't do that

27:04I said wash my desk I said take your

27:09hand off my elbow and give me the hell

27:11out of here that's stupid asking there

27:13is ruined the greatest night in the

27:15history of the world we've been part of

27:18the greatest night in history and he

27:20screwed it up so they got me a cab and I

27:23went across London and I did a show on

27:26Telstar with Mike Wallace and Walter

27:28Cronkite and I was able to say all the

27:30things I've just said to you I never saw

27:33the tape until last year Krunk I showed

27:36it to me and god it's beautiful because

27:38I said all the things I want to say I

27:41stayed up all night in the morning Neil

27:46Armstrong fell out of the spacecraft and

27:49walked on the moon had dawn I was on

27:53seven different shows all around the

27:55world all night I cried all night I was

27:58so happy I walked back to the hotel in

28:01London at 9:00 in the morning exhausted

28:05but full of love and joy and out in

28:09front of the hotel there was a little

28:12tabloid newspaper in the headline read

28:14Neil Armstrong walks at 7:00 a.m.

28:19Bradbury walks

28:20midnight thank you very much thank you

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