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0:10[Applause]

0:15so sometimes i say um

0:17photographs feed the imagination and

0:20sculptures stones feed the senses and so

0:24this is

0:24unique actually because i'm this is the

0:26first time i'm showing

0:28photographs in front of a real sculpture

0:33uh so this this image is uh

0:36england 1968. uh

0:41it's a very simple idea which was to i

0:44wanted to

0:45superimpose my own man-made

0:50pattern onto pre-existing natural

0:52pattern

0:53[Music]

0:55so that's exactly what i did just by

0:57removing the heads of the diesels

1:03the fact that the data's might have

1:04grown back again after a few weeks was

1:06neither here nor there so i'm not

1:08ephemerality is not really part of the

1:10um

1:11part of the work it's just a

1:14it's just a consequence it's a

1:16by-product but

1:18the main idea is what you see now

1:25i'm going to show you some text works as

1:27well as we go along

1:28um so some years ago well along in

1:321995 i had the idea to walk across

1:35france um but then i noticed that

1:38after aft

1:42i noticed that every day dawned

1:44completely cloudless

1:47so that i thought it was a much better

1:48idea to

1:52make make make the walk about

1:55um that the cloudless

1:58um um

2:03and the cloudlessness and um to end

2:07the walk when i saw the first cloud so

2:10that's an example of um i

2:12um if something better comes along i'm

2:14open to um

2:16chance and i can change my ideas if i

2:19have a better idea

2:21as i go along so we'll walk sometimes

2:24can um

2:26suggest completely different ideas from

2:28the one i started with

2:35so this is a line in the himalayas uh

2:38from 1975

2:40from a 25-day walk in nepal

2:44uh it's um i don't i never have the

2:47intention to make monuments

2:49so uh um so this

2:52this this is on the kumbu glacier which

2:55is just before

2:56just below the ice fall on everest

3:00and uh this line would have gradually

3:04broken up over some weeks as the glacier

3:09moved down

3:11the valley so again it's not

3:15it looks permanent in the photograph but

3:17in fact it's it's not

3:44uh

3:46so this is a an early work in ireland

3:49um

3:49[Music]

3:53on the west of ireland on the um

3:57county cloud and that's the cliffs of

4:01moher in the background

4:08so quite often i make a work well most

4:11of the

4:11sculptures are made there marks of

4:14passage

4:15marks of leaving a mark and then moving

4:19on

4:20it just so happened that um

4:23about 20 years later after making this

4:27circle i happened to um i was in this

4:29area and i thought i'd check it out

4:31and and it was still there

4:34which is quite unusual

4:37anyway i just thought that was a night i

4:39realized i don't

4:41think when i started um

4:44this walk um

4:48i didn't realize that i i would be

4:50keeping pace with the spring

4:51as i went northwards

4:54um anyway that's what that's what

4:57happened

5:09so one of the one of the pleasures of uh

5:12me

5:12walking in wilderness areas is the um is

5:16the camping and

5:16finding a nice camping place and it has

5:20to be out of the wind or

5:21near fresh water

5:28and also i like stones so this was a

5:31this work is really just a sort of a

5:33combination and a celebration of the

5:36things that uh that i enjoy doing

5:39camping and making circles of stones

5:49all the stones that you see in all of

5:51these

5:52sculptures are um they're the stones of

5:56the place

5:56so i'm not i'm not i'm not bringing

5:59anything

6:02to the place that i didn't find there

6:18um

6:21so i think that's one of the longest um

6:24continuous

6:32walks

6:34i'm just working on a new book at the

6:36moment called many rivers to cross

6:44so my work has many themes so you've

6:47seen some pictures of stones but what

6:49water is also very important

6:53drinking rivers

6:56um bouncing stones across rivers

7:13dusty boots line from

7:18some time i've spent on the sahara

7:30so this area this is in the hogar

7:33mountains which are near taman russet

7:37um and i thought

7:40i had a rudimentary map and it showed me

7:43one

7:44place that was a permanent spring in in

7:47the mountains where i could get water

7:49but as as the plane was coming into land

7:51i noticed little pools of water

7:54and by chance it had rained for the

7:56first time in like five years

7:58like one week before i arrived so i was

8:01able to um

8:02make this it gave me a lot more freedom

8:05to uh

8:06walk in this very dry area

8:10and so every day the pools of water got

8:12smaller and smaller

8:14and i think i think on the sixth day um

8:18that was the last pool of water that

8:19dried up and that was the end of the

8:21walk

8:22anyway so this is really just my

8:24accumulated

8:26footprints sometimes on a wilderness

8:30walk i will make

8:31another type of walking which is a

8:32ritualized kind of walking which is

8:35as you can see here it's just walking

8:38continuously up and down

8:39in a straight line and until i've i've

8:42made my own

8:43path going nowhere

8:48i quite like the idea of i like the idea

8:51of going nowhere

8:52as well as going somewhere

9:03so after many many years of making walks

9:06which are just measured in days

9:12i realized that i could also measure

9:16a walk by the tides by the moon

9:50so in a way the um as the tides go

9:52around

9:54the british isles um it's a sort of like

9:56a clock which is not synchronized

9:59so as you can see it's um when it's low

10:01tide on one side of the country it's

10:03high times on the

10:04on the other side

10:11so that's another work a work that i

10:14made on that uh

10:16time in the um in the sahara

10:27you might be noticing that you're seeing

10:29quite a few circles in my

10:31work um and the idea is that

10:35that a circle is a

10:38is a perfect platonic form but um

10:42because i'm because they're each made in

10:44a completely different place

10:45every circle is completely different

10:48like every fingerprint is different

10:50every footprint is different

11:11so something else i've said about my

11:12work is that it's um

11:14it's not really about the circle it's

11:16about the whole place

11:17so the fact that i was able to stand in

11:20the place i took the photographs

11:22photograph and line it up with the um

11:24that beautiful

11:26volcanic rock um

11:29plug is um is all part of the

11:33the way that you can receive that work

11:44so i'm an opportunist so um if i can

11:48if i can take a make a beautiful image

11:51of um with my circle in conjunction with

11:53something on the horizon

11:56will um i'll use that opportunity

12:16this is one of my favorite um text works

12:18uh

12:19it's sort of like an um

12:23it's like a balance between something

12:25quite difficult walking for 24 hours and

12:27then

12:29um and then

12:32and then reversing everything and doing

12:34it

12:35something quite easy

12:42so one idea about the um

12:45a lot of the walks are about measuring

12:49measuring myself against the world or

12:52measuring

12:54um how many um

12:59miles it is between a moon rise to a

13:01sunrise for example

13:04um

13:07so i can use utilize a lot of cosmic

13:09events in my work as well

13:11like solstices and

13:14um total eclipses

13:17all that stuff it's all usable

13:27so in a way that's a kind of a symmetry

13:33as well there's a lot of symmetry in my

13:36work

13:45so i had a couple of them wonderful

13:48weeks in um in india many years ago

13:52so this is the um

13:56this is me working on a in a paddy field

13:59where they'd um

14:01they'd harvested the paddy and then

14:02they'd um say all this was just the uh

14:05the white

14:05was the chaff that was lying around

14:09and we were guests with um a very famous

14:12um tribal artist called

14:15jivia soma mache very distinguished

14:18artist

14:20and we were staying on so it was staying

14:24on his tribal land

14:26in maharashtra

14:40so again i'm just using the chaff that

14:42was just lying around and then one of

14:44the baskets that they um

14:46probably used to pick up the dung from

14:48the cattle for their

14:56fuel

15:00so this is another walk about an idea

15:03and the idea

15:05in this one is is the idea of scale

15:08so i'm i'm walking from the huge great

15:12stones in um in brittany

15:15which are like sort of like stonehenge

15:17or something

15:18yeah they're they're equivalent to

15:20stonehenge and then the um

15:24and then the um

15:28the particle um accelerator in

15:32cern in um

15:35between france and switzerland

15:43big scale to small scale

16:04so this is from a couple uh two weeks in

16:06the kuru

16:08in south africa

16:25so one day on this walk i had a there's

16:28an enormous storm came out of nowhere

16:30and there was a huge

16:32flash flood so this whole area was some

16:36just filled up with water up to my waist

16:41so i i'm not showing it to you but i

16:43also made a w work about that

16:45as well so like i say

16:49everything is kind of usable when you're

16:52out in the world

16:54and you only make art by walking

16:58or you only make up by stones one reason

17:01i use stone i've often said

17:02is that um stones are what the world is

17:05made of which means that

17:06um i i can be i can make my work

17:11anywhere in the world i happen to be

17:17off the cuff by chance

17:41so i quite like this one as well so

17:43that's again that's a sort of like um

17:46a balance between something that starts

17:48off quite

17:49easily walking one mile and one mile

17:52two miles and then but then accumulates

17:56so

17:56walking 89 miles in one day is

18:00quite difficult or more difficult than

18:03the first day

18:17so that's a walk about a very famous um

18:21mathematical um sequence and a p and

18:26pattern

18:41it was a renaissance italian renaissance

18:54mathematician

18:58there's a great walk i did in the andes

19:01and that's in

19:02um argentina

19:06so it's called aconcagua circle because

19:09um

19:10it's lined up with that the peak in the

19:12on the horizon is aconcagua which is the

19:15highest mountain in

19:18um in south america i think

19:36okay

19:55so that's a um a text work i made

20:00during that same walk

20:07so i don't i don't consider my text

20:10works

20:12poetry in any way really although maybe

20:14it's an academic point but

20:16it's just um it's just another way

20:21of of working

20:26so sometimes i can use stones and

20:28sometimes i can use words so

20:34the text works started um in the early

20:37days i would just um i would make a line

20:39in iceland or something i'd just say

20:41a line in iceland and then i began to

20:43realize that the um

20:46so the titles were sort of became quite

20:48important

20:49you know in other words looking at um a

20:51photograph without a title is different

20:53from looking at a

20:54photograph with a title

20:57so then i realized that words could be

21:00usable

21:21so this is um i made a i made a road

21:24trip with um

21:25denise and western china some years ago

21:28and um there are all these stones lying

21:32on the side of

21:34the other side of the road so i just put

21:35the stones in the road

21:40roadstone line

21:43so that guy probably didn't even notice

21:45them

21:48it quite often happens that um

21:51i make my work in sometimes remote

21:53places but um there's like

21:56often there's local people around you

21:58know like in

21:59mexico there could be indians or

22:02anything um anyone

22:03um and i might be taking a picture of

22:07circle of stones and i'll walk right by

22:10and not

22:12not not see the circle um

22:17or i like the idea that local people

22:19might see a work of mine

22:21and maybe not they'll see it

22:24as a circle of stones but not identified

22:26as a work of art

22:31so i'm sort of interested in all the

22:33different ways i can

22:36put our into the world as well as you

22:39know here in this gallery

22:41so there's a circle of stains in front

22:42of you

22:44and then there's um those stones are

22:48still

22:48in china somewhere

22:55but unrecognizable as a work of art as

22:57you see it in the picture

23:02so i love all this kind of freedom to

23:04work in all these different ways

23:11another thing to to say about the the

23:13text works is that um

23:14um

23:17[Music]

23:20i mean sometimes i've made a walk where

23:21i um i i pick up a stone and carry it

23:24forward to the next day and then swap it

23:26for another stone so it's from

23:27from day to day from stone to stone

23:30which

23:31is absolutely a sculpture but um it

23:33would

23:34make no sense to try and record it as a

23:36photograph

23:37so um it's much more it makes more sense

23:41to um

23:43use a text work to tell the story of a

23:48sculpture

24:08so that's just a really nice for me

24:10anyway it's uh

24:14from crow to crow to create a chrome

24:38so words are important quite often

24:47and the naming of places

25:03so this is a circle in antarctica

25:06which is a fantastic trip i made which i

25:10had to go with a um

25:11a guide because it's it's actually quite

25:14dangerous

25:14um you know because there's

25:18hidden crevasses and um

25:24so the first thing i had to do is to

25:26learn how to ski a bit

25:28because uh we we pull it's just me and

25:30um

25:31oscar and uh we we had we we

25:35um were pulling sledges you know like

25:37big um

25:38things we had all our kit on statues

25:42and them but one of the things that we

25:44we had was some

25:45like snow shovels so that if there was

25:47if it was windy we could um

25:49and the snow is so um it's like

25:53polystyrene it's completely dry

25:55so with a shovel you can cut out blocks

25:58very fast and make a a windbreak

26:01in front of the tent

26:04so i just took advantage of having

26:06having

26:08this snow shovel and then cut out these

26:10um

26:12blocks of snow

26:15to make the the circle

26:25so that's the only lifeless place i've

26:28been

26:29to on the planet it really is completely

26:36lifeless

26:50this is amazing going there so the um

26:52the actual

26:53uh you we i i flew from the tip of south

26:56america

26:58and we we landed on a um

27:02glacier actually um so

27:08say the actual landing strip it was

27:10actually moving in like about 20 yards

27:12every year

27:14and you have to land very carefully

27:16because you can't put any

27:18you can't put your brakes on because

27:19it's you're landing on ice

27:22so it's a very very long runway

27:26anyway everything about that trip was

27:27amazing

27:31so as you can probably tell there's many

27:33back you know i've been all over the

27:34world and um

27:36done all these amazing walks and

27:38everything so there's like there's lots

27:39of backstory

27:41in my life so what but what you see in

27:43my work is really the um

27:46is what i've taken out of everything

27:49that happens to me and just

27:50i'm showing you what really interests me

27:52which is um

27:54a circle of stones or a circle of snow

27:56or

27:58some idea about a walk oh

28:02so all that's about choice really so i'm

28:05showing you my

28:08what the things i love

28:11to do and to show you

28:21so van gogh was one of my um sort of

28:23heroes when i was at school

28:33so at the end of the walk it really was

28:35a starry night over their own which is

28:37one of his famous paintings

28:50but unfortunately the um the yellow

28:52house is not there anymore

28:54i think it was even bombed by the

28:58by the british in the war or something

29:10ridiculous

29:24so this is some uh a line of red slate

29:26from

29:27vermont in america uh

29:32so this is on the land of a a big rich

29:36collector so this is one way i make my

29:38money is too um

29:40people do buy my work sometimes is they

29:42got enough land

30:01so one thing to say about these works is

30:03that um

30:05the stones are just placed haphazardly

30:08and um

30:10this is about the third time i've made

30:12this work so every time i make it

30:14the work looks the same but every but

30:16also every time

30:18every stone is in a different place

30:22so as long as i followed the same

30:24procedure it keeps the same density

30:27um the same length and everything um

30:31so my work is not like a traditional

30:33sculpture or even like something like

30:35this circle here

30:36every time the circle is made every

30:38stone can be in a different place

30:40so it's not like an object like this

30:42microphone that's the same

30:44all the time

30:59so this is another work that done this

31:01guy

31:03as of mine some cornish slate

31:07this time from from delabor in cornwall

31:36more red straight

31:41looks like we we're gonna end right on

31:44the button

31:47so this is um from the famous um

31:52vineyard in the south of france which is

31:54sort of like a art

31:56this is like a chateau um

32:00so they're they're river stones

32:29so this this is the last one um

32:32so some years ago i was looking at a map

32:34of um

32:35olympus and i noticed there's one one

32:37part of olympus is called

32:39the plateau of the muses um and i

32:42thought

32:44what an amazing uh

32:47place to be called and what a fantastic

32:50location for me to make a work

32:52so like about three weeks ago i went

32:56to olympus and

33:00made this circle on that plateau

33:10and that's it so we can

33:13that's exactly how

33:35comfortable oh yeah yeah yeah lovely

33:38yeah

33:38i'm gonna drive off into the sunset

33:40after this

33:49probably a bit of a fitness dying

33:50question i'm afraid but

33:53some of you alright you're saying i

33:54think one of the months so you

33:56make your money by going back and adding

33:59a bit

34:00of other art

34:04yeah yeah yes blown away the next

34:07yeah yeah no like i said

34:11some that's just the way of the world

34:13you know some things last and some

34:15things

34:16get blown away it's normal so i'm a

34:20great realist you know i work with the

34:23world in all its

34:24permanence and impermanence

34:28but just on a sort of practical note um

34:32like all the photographs in the show

34:33here are um

34:35i've they are just like unique

34:38uh prints so i i've i've sold them

34:41so that's one way i make my money is to

34:44make um photographs with my

34:48handwritten um titles on for your memory

34:51so you can remember what you've done as

34:53well

34:54one reason to take photographs is to

34:56show you all anyone in the world

34:58you know right down through history what

35:00what i've done um

35:03there'd be no point in me making these

35:04beautiful works all around the world

35:06without

35:07telling anyone so

35:10um so the cam the camera has a very good

35:14a very useful function i mean i'm not a

35:16photographer at all

35:17but um i couldn't it's very necessary um

35:22tool for me yeah yeah

35:26i think historically that's one of the

35:28big contributions you made wasn't

35:29challenging the art world that

35:31you couldn't it couldn't be a commodity

35:32for once you've made it

35:34um yes i mean i i didn't really have any

35:37i wasn't engaged to all that sort of

35:39theoretical um

35:42discussion but i i i definitely felt

35:44that um

35:47in the mid 60s that um uh art was

35:50a bit hybrid you know it was like based

35:53in people working in studios and

35:54everything

35:56and i realized it was a whole world out

35:58there of

36:00that with some had the potential um

36:04you know to be in and then when i after

36:06i

36:07made my first you know the lie made by

36:09walking

36:10i realized that um a journey could also

36:14be a work of art

36:17so um then that that introduced the idea

36:20of time and distance

36:22into a work of art

36:27so so so this is this is like

36:29three-dimensional but then a journey

36:31um time is the fourth dimension

36:38so someone i was at saint martin's one

36:40of my um i did a cycling sculpture where

36:42i um

36:43i loaded various bits of a sculpture on

36:46my bicycle

36:47and then i i cycled for about three days

36:49around

36:50um north of london and left it left one

36:54piece of the sculpture in in all

36:55different places so every every piece of

36:57the work

36:58was out out of sight as the last piece

37:02so that really introduced the whole idea

37:05that you could um

37:07i could bring enormous space into a work

37:09of art

37:10just by just by cycling

37:20a um obviously as you mentioned the time

37:24and the considerations

37:30when it comes to making the act of

37:32making

37:33the artwork do you act and then think

37:37afterwards or do you

37:38think a lot about it and then no no it's

37:42um

37:42well the sculptures along the way are

37:44very they're made very spontaneously

37:47they're just um i happen to fight being

37:49a nice

37:50place that has lots of interesting

37:52stones or it might has a wonderful

37:53horizon

37:54or i'm in a good mood or i've just had a

37:57nice meal

37:58um there's many factors that come into

38:00it but basically it's just like

38:02as this show says it's like being in the

38:04moment and

38:05the sculptures are made spontaneously in

38:07that moment

38:09i might and then i'll take a photograph

38:11and then put my rucksack back on

38:14move on the walk and never go back to

38:16that place again

38:20yeah yeah

38:28i was interested that you said that your

38:31textbook

38:32isn't really poetry yes um

38:37i mean coming up there on the screen now

38:39it does seem

38:40uh sorry on the screen you can't see it

38:42oh yeah yeah yeah and

38:44to me it does feel like poetry well

38:46that's okay and i

38:48you know whatever it feels like to you

38:49it doesn't really matter it's just that

38:51i

38:51i don't can you know it's a bit academic

38:58no it's like i say um they're

39:02equivalents to stones

39:04words but like i said

39:07i explained um it's just

39:11a very practical way in i can tell a

39:13story of a sculpture

39:17or i can i can present an idea like the

39:21megalithic to subatomic

39:23um yeah i um

39:26because i love simplicity as well my

39:29work is very classical in some ways

39:39oh yes um what um inspires you

39:43to pick places like bolivia to

39:46make more repeats

39:49um oh yeah well there's many many

39:52different

39:53all different types of reasons for that

39:54going to all different places

39:56down the whole 50 60 years i've been

39:58working

39:59but um so i've got a i've got a a friend

40:03um hamish fulton who's also a walking

40:06artist and we've

40:07made many walks together so in the old

40:09days we would like meet up at the

40:11national

40:11um geographic society um near the albert

40:15hall

40:15and we get all these maps out and that

40:17so we had a big map of bolivia

40:19and um it was completely empty

40:22part of bolivia and then there was one

40:25railway line going

40:26across this area and the only thing

40:29right writing on that on there on the

40:30map was it just said rocky

40:33and there was one railway station in the

40:35middle of this place

40:36so we thought well you know um so two

40:39months later we

40:40we actually um got off the train you

40:42know

40:43at midnight we were only two people to

40:45get off that train in that

40:46uh on that station and um so when we

40:50woke up in the morning we we discovered

40:52what that word rocky meant

40:55although you know back in england and it

40:58was this beautiful like volcanic

41:00plane so that's just a

41:04stupid example of um anything can expire

41:08and so and i i do many walks to places i

41:11know very well

41:13uh but then i can also um go to places

41:16that i have no idea what i'm going to

41:18find there

41:20like i had no maps of when i went to the

41:22sahara

41:25or just at one very primitive map that

41:27just said that had that one place

41:29for a spring

41:52if i'm happy with the way it looks

41:56just um

42:02it doesn't feature in my dreams but

42:04that's an interesting thing

42:05i have my best dreams when our mama

42:07walks you know in in

42:08in a tent sleeping on stones or

42:12in very uncomfortable conditions um

42:15i it's like being in the cinema all

42:17night

42:19so so maybe it may be all this walking

42:22and um being in this beautiful places it

42:24sort of um

42:25triggers something in the brain that

42:27makes you dream

42:31i went and visited uh richard when he

42:33was making a work at hester

42:35oh yeah last month we all know that

42:38amazing estate

42:39and you showed me where you'd slept it

42:41was just convenient

42:43when i was yeah rather well there's

42:45nowhere for me to stay anyway so i just

42:47took my ten down and then camped camp by

42:50my

42:50line

42:56one of the other conversations we had

42:58was about the work that you made during

43:00the lockdown

43:02yeah those new works could you tell us a

43:05little bit about this

43:06i'm always working so um all you might

43:09say i'm never working it's just um

43:14yes i did so i mean every day i was

43:17plenty of opportunities to

43:18to walk from where i live because i live

43:21in the countryside so

43:23lots of country lanes and fields and

43:28audiences that when they're out on a

43:29walk that they can

43:31employ some of your processes

43:34yes or they make up their make up their

43:37own i don't

43:40the last thing i want to do would i

43:42don't really want people i don't want

43:44followers i don't want

43:45people to copy me you know

43:48i mean they can if they want but i mean

43:50it's not the idea

43:52i don't want followers i don't want

43:54people think he was quite a romantic

43:55artist well i i said

43:58um the idea of romantic

44:02um i i think obviously

44:05um compared to an artist who who works

44:09in a city um most most artists are urban

44:13artists

44:14most artists were considered so compared

44:17to like andy warhol

44:19or um of joseph boyce or lucien freud i

44:23i

44:24you know just to be in the landscape is

44:27is a kind of a romantic idea

44:30but i don't i don't feel um any

44:33connection with the

44:34romantic movement of

44:37wordsworth and

44:48i'm sure i'm sure farm farmers don't

44:50feel romantic

44:51they don't feel you know it's bloody is

44:54yeah it's bloody hard work being a

44:55farmer

44:56you know even though they live in this

44:57beautiful landscape and um

45:04so once i was doing early in the um

45:08in the late sixes i was doing a walk i

45:10was climbing over it i was walking

45:11through a hedge or something and i met

45:13the farmer

45:14and he he seemed to realize that i

45:16wasn't um

45:17a tourist and he said god bloody work

45:19isn't it

45:21so um it kind of was seemed to

45:24appreciate

45:25appreciating that um i wasn't um

45:28i wasn't just an idol tourist

45:39yeah is my um it's my the local

45:42wilderness place to where i live

45:44in bristol so

45:48um

45:52sure yeah well we're in we're in devon

45:54now aren't we yeah

46:00um well i think i mean i

46:03i i knew it from my childhood because my

46:05grandparents lived

46:07in bevvy tracy and um then he moved to

46:10morton hampstead and

46:12um so i always had family holidays near

46:16near the moor um

46:20but it's relatively

46:23it's almost like a sort of undulating

46:24plateau it's fairly flat so it's

46:26actually it lends itself very well to

46:28making

46:28walking in straight lines or walking in

46:30perfect circles

46:31in other words i can do certain works on

46:34dart wood that i couldn't do in the

46:35scottish highlands

46:37which just has has cliffs and

46:40stuff so it's it's a combination of

46:42being very practical for my purposes

46:45and and also very beautiful and um

46:48almost no

46:49no no one around

46:57is there anywhere else in the world that

46:59you haven't traveled

47:01oh many many places it's a ridiculous

47:03idea to think that i've been everywhere

47:05you know

47:05i've barely touched where would you most

47:08want to go to

47:16i like going back to well-known

47:18well-loved

47:19places just as as much as i like going

47:22to new places that that is sort of like

47:24very complimentary but i suppose the one

47:29thing that i i'm attracted to very

47:32empty um stony landscapes you know like

47:35the west of ireland or

47:36bolivia um so i haven't walked

47:40much in jungles so maybe maybe i'd

47:44like to go into um places like borneo or

47:49vietnam about three or four years ago i

47:52did go to the

47:53the amazon for the first time

47:56which is great interesting

48:01it's hard to walk a straight line in the

48:04jungle

48:13[Music]

48:14a rudimentary diary on long walks but

48:17that's really just a sort of um

48:21just to remind me what i have for

48:22breakfast they're not literally diaries

48:25um um

48:29or sometimes like especially on the

48:31dartmoor walks um i

48:33i just write write things in the margin

48:35of the map

48:40um

48:43yeah do you read

48:47no not on a walk no no because books are

48:49too heavy it's ridiculous to take a book

48:52no no i'm very

49:00um

49:13yeah yeah have you been there yes i have

49:17i haven't walked with the apparitionist

49:19but i i've

49:20met some um and um

49:24yeah i've read that book as well you

49:26know the song lines

49:28i think that was his best book

49:36it's not i'm not always

49:39yes i'm most of my walks i do on my own

49:41but that's not to say that i meet

49:43interesting people along the way

49:45so um

49:50so quite often meeting people at various

49:53points along a walk can be um they can

49:55be life saving or they can tell you what

49:57that's a dangerous route and what's

49:59in you know um

50:02so okay so i've got two anecdotes so on

50:06that walk in um

50:07in 75 in in nepal uh we were

50:10me and hamish were in in the little uh

50:13cafe namche bazaar you know just before

50:15everest and then they seem to be like

50:18sort of um tidying the tables up and

50:20then

50:21edmund hillary came in and just sat down

50:22next to me and had a cup of coffee

50:26so um then i don't know if you know the

50:29uh the famous

50:30lines in nazca in in peru

50:33um so in 1972

50:37we met maria reich who he was the woman

50:40who um

50:42mapped and measured all those incredible

50:45like lines in the desert so that was

50:48another memorable

50:51experience and you know a very

50:53interesting person to meet

50:55on our walk

50:59so we actually slept we all like the

51:01three of us slept

51:03in in one of the lines you know head to

51:05toe head to toe head to toe

51:08it's interesting that the the names of

51:10the people that you've met don't feature

51:12in your work or that i've seen no no

51:15because

51:16it's a good point that people are really

51:18not the subject of my work

51:21if i was a writer i'd be telling you

51:24lovely stories about all these like

51:25anecdotal happenings but um

51:29so like i said in the talk what you see

51:31in my work is what i

51:33what interests me to show you and what

51:35i've done

51:39what our audiences have really liked

51:41though is in the work

51:43the dartmouth work that we have upstairs

51:45from 72 where you talk about the song

51:47in your head so you give yeah yeah

51:51well is that is that a dartmouth word oh

51:54i don't know which one it oh yeah yeah

51:56yeah

51:57talk about karina karina oh yeah yeah

51:59sure yeah yeah the bob dylan

52:01one yeah yeah so music is really

52:04very important in my like like many

52:06people you know

52:07you know it's the same track of my life

52:09like um

52:10um so i love music and um

52:14so i did a walk in ireland once um which

52:16um

52:18i was thinking about one piece of music

52:20every day

52:22so yeah so it could have been like a

52:25johnny cash or a jimmy rogers or um

52:30bob dylan or something

52:34um it was called walking music

52:40i really like this it just feels it

52:43really does make you imagine you

52:45yeah well i'm very i think music is very

52:48emotional it's probably the most

52:50emotional

52:51feel-good art form but i feel very close

52:54to music in that sense you know

52:55i like i feel that my work is um

52:59how's that sort of feel good um

53:01emotional

53:03like like like rock and roll it's just

53:07that's what it is really just another

53:09form of rock and roll

53:11just without the role just the rocks

53:18i i i think one thing that um the

53:20spinner

53:22a sort of uh like a a good idea in my

53:26work is that um i like the idea of

53:27making something from nothing

53:30it's not completely nothing but it's um

53:32it comes very close to being you know

53:34it's a sort of zen

53:35idea of um

53:38everything paired down to essentials

53:42well my friend carl andre he said uh you

53:44know fellow

53:45the guy who made the bricks and

53:47everything um he's a very good friend he

53:49was already one of the first supporters

53:50of my work

53:51in the 70s 60s

53:54and so carl said art is what we do and

53:57culture is what has done to us

54:03so i think all artists they start out

54:06you i i just wanted to be an artist to

54:08make art

54:09you know ending up here giving a talk

54:13being in the tate gallery that's not

54:15it's not part of my plan

54:17it's just something that happens so

54:20after a while after many years

54:23i realize i am like it or not i'm part

54:26of art history

54:28and i have all my own history on my back

54:32as well so

54:36um i in some ways i have to pay a lot

54:39more attention now

54:40to what i do and how i put my work in

54:42the world because um

54:45um

54:48because i have to be more responsible

54:50when i was a young artist

54:52um i i i did things without

54:55thinking you know it was intuitive and

54:59um yeah it did yeah

55:03i've been lucky yeah hope you like my

55:05little house

55:07yeah um this is the film we'll turn up

55:09the volume um

55:10three films uh from the tape on which is

55:13practice that go all the way back to the

55:14sixties actually

55:15so we'll keep that rolling so you can

55:16have a look and have a look around the

55:18cabin

55:19and they do keep in touch with us we're

55:20the exhibition's until the 31st of

55:22october

55:22and we're running pause for the amazing

55:25sarah and rachel

55:26thursday fridays and saturdays so do

55:28goof on and come and see us again

55:31thank you

55:35hats on

56:09you

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