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Meet the Neuroscientist Who Wants to Decriminalize Drugs

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0:00oregon just became the first state in

0:02the u.s to decriminalize drugs

0:04that means that if you're caught with

0:06coke meth heroin

0:08or any other drug for personal use you

0:10no longer risk

0:11jail time instead you pay a small fine

0:14or complete a substance use disorder

0:16screening

0:17meanwhile a new fund raised by taxes on

0:20pot will provide

0:20treatment to people with substance use

0:22disorders

0:23[Music]

0:26carl hart is a professor of neuroscience

0:28and psychology at columbia university

0:30he wants other states to follow oregon's

0:33lead

0:34and go beyond it by making recreational

0:36drugs legal to sell

0:37and safer to use he spent the last few

0:40decades researching meth and crack

0:42and his latest book defends people who

0:45use drugs for

0:46pleasure so you wrote a book called drug

0:48use for grown-ups

0:50yes so why should grown-ups use drugs

0:54well the full title was drug use for

0:56grown-ups chasing liberty

0:58in the land of fear and the subtitle is

1:01uh related to this issue of who we are

1:04as americans um

1:05we say that we believe that each of us

1:08have

1:09this these rights life liberty and the

1:11pursuit of happiness

1:13meaning that we can live our life as we

1:15see fit

1:16that's not true in this country like why

1:20if you are a responsible adult should

1:23your government

1:24be telling you that you can't alter your

1:27consciousness as you see fit

1:29you're saying that people have a

1:30fundamental right to use drugs

1:32adults have a fundamental right to

1:36behave or pursue whatever behaviors they

1:38like as long as they're not

1:40bothering anyone else absolutely i ask

1:42people particularly

1:44middle class privileged people because i

1:46know

1:47they're using drugs because i've used

1:49drugs with a number of these people

1:51who are politicians who are famous

1:54people who are captains of industry

1:57i asked them to come out of the closet

1:59so they could stand up on behalf of the

2:01people

2:02who have been persecuted vilified

2:06and so forth in this book you talk about

2:08using heroin

2:10heroin has a big stigma around it was

2:12that

2:13hard to do i talked about it to make a

2:16point

2:16to show that i'm not addicted never had

2:19had any of those problems related to

2:21addiction

2:22but i wanted people to say see look at

2:24my productivity

2:26look at the fact that i contribute to my

2:28community look at the fact that

2:30i'm a good spouse i'm a good father and

2:33i decided to come out of the closet

2:34because

2:35i felt less than honorable i felt

2:39like a coward and i felt

2:42like i wasn't standing up on behalf of

2:44people who were being

2:46persecuted you talk about using heroin

2:50responsibly in your words how does one

2:52do that

2:54the same way one might do alcohol

2:56responsibly

2:58like today you and i are sitting here

2:59meeting i know we had this meeting

3:01i know i couldn't have a drink of

3:03alcohol just like i would decide

3:05not to have do heroin before you and i

3:08meet

3:08and besides i wouldn't want to blow my

3:09highlight that right so you say

3:12a responsible heroin use would be um

3:15at the end of the day when you have time

3:19set aside to do an activity that

3:22for you just like you might decide to go

3:24see a concert

3:25we mainly hear about drugs uh when

3:28something goes wrong because that's sexy

3:30that's

3:30drama nobody wants to hear about some

3:33woman who uses heroin on the weekend

3:36goes to work and meet her obligations

3:38through the week

3:39that's the typical experience of drug

3:41use

3:43not addiction no addiction

3:46is an aberration and addiction has

3:49almost nothing to do with drugs

3:51but isn't heroin inherently dangerous

3:54the dangers of heroin

3:56becomes increased by making it illegal

4:00because we have people selling tainted

4:02heroin if we legally regulate these

4:04drugs we will have

4:06less death less carnage just like we saw

4:09without all

4:14did you start to study drugs in the

4:15first place i wanted to solve

4:18the drug addiction problem i thought

4:20drug addiction was

4:22uh causing all of these disruptive

4:24effects in my

4:25community where are you from i'm from

4:26miami i'm from a

4:29predominantly black neighborhood a

4:31neighborhood that was considered

4:33resource poor

4:34so i thought that crack cocaine for

4:36example was

4:37the enemy and i thought that studying

4:40drugs in the brain

4:42i could figure out how to solve drug

4:45addiction by manipulating

4:47brain cells over my 30-year career i've

4:50learned that the problem is not

4:53never was drug addiction the problem was

4:56all of these other

4:57psychosocial factors lack of employment

5:00lack of health care

5:02poor education all of the same things

5:04that have always been the problem

5:06so i think a lot of people are afraid

5:09when you say

5:10well we're going to legalize all drugs

5:13because drugs do cause problems and

5:15what happens if they're more accessible

5:17we won't say legalization we'll say drug

5:20regulation so we regulate alcohol

5:23we regulate tobacco we regulate these

5:25things

5:26that means that there's a quality

5:29control

5:30there are controls in terms of who can

5:32purchase

5:33substance we can also implement new

5:36controls like restrictions such as

5:39maybe you have to pass a test before you

5:41actually get the license to purchase

5:43this substance and not

5:44like legalization and people think like

5:46it's a free fall

5:47i'm saying that drug use should not be

5:49punished and i'm also saying

5:52how about we live up to the principles

5:54that we claim

5:55to be so dear to us

6:10you

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