OnlyFans Managers vs 9-5 Workers

0:00We had somebody spend $168,000 on one

0:03account.

0:03>> You know that is blood money. It is.

0:06>> Do you ever have a real job?

0:08>> A what?

0:08>> A real job.

0:11>> If you die right now, would you go to

0:13heaven or hell? So, we're selling

0:14feelings here. We're not really selling

0:15anything. We're selling emotional

0:16parasocial connections.

0:17>> I do fanfics. [music] Actually, I just

0:19started it. Would you want to help me?

0:24>> That was the point, honestly. But hey,

0:27you got me. Oh, [ __ ]

0:30What's up, guys? My name's Owen Lynch

0:32>> and my name's Cole Hollyfield.

0:33>> We've managed some of the biggest Only

0:34Fans creators in the space,

0:36>> and today we're going to be confronted

0:37by 10 9 to 5 workers.

0:39>> Let's see if they can make us quit our

0:40jobs.

0:41>> Only Fans management is the new style of

0:43pimping.

0:46>> Oh, my first victim. [laughter]

0:52>> What's your name?

0:53>> Neps.

0:53>> Owen, nice to meet you.

0:54>> Let me ask you this. Do you think that

0:56Only Fans like the new age of digital

0:57flipping? Do you agree with that

0:58statement or

0:59>> No, I I don't think that statement is

1:00true at all.

1:01>> And why so?

1:02>> Because in in my mind, the connotation

1:04of pimping is like stealing the money

1:06and, you know, having somebody a girl,

1:08somebody do the work and you take all

1:10the money.

1:10>> Yeah.

1:11>> I don't take all the money.

1:12>> No. But when you think of traditional

1:13pimping though, it' be um someone

1:15facilitating the transaction of the girl

1:17using her body for income, like using it

1:18for money.

1:19>> Yeah.

1:19>> So, you don't think that dictates like

1:21you're helping them facilitate using

1:22their body to gain income?

1:24>> I'm helping them facilitate something

1:25they're already doing. I'm not forcing

1:27anybody into it. That's why I think the

1:28pimping thing is, you know, wrong

1:30because they're already doing that by

1:32themselves for the most part. They come

1:33to us as an entity to help them grow.

1:36>> Oh, so you think, so the fact of like

1:38it's pimping if like you're forcing them

1:39to do it, but if they're willingly doing

1:40it then it's not considered pimping. Is

1:42like what?

1:42>> Yeah, cuz they've started, you know,

1:44posting content on this platform.

1:46They've, you know, got all the money

1:48going to them and now they're like,

1:49"Okay, maybe I'm down to give away a

1:51little bit of the money if it'll help me

1:52make more money."

1:54>> Okay. Okay. I can see that. Now, has

1:57there been instances where a girl wasn't

1:59doing Only Fans and she reached out to

2:00you and was like, "Hey, like I want to

2:02make some money." Like, you take her on?

2:04>> We We don't do that. I've done that once

2:05in a you know, personal relationship

2:07like

2:08>> like a a long-term friend wanted to

2:10start and you know, we started her not

2:12only on Only Fans, but you know,

2:14Snapchat, Instagram, YouTube, Tik Tok.

2:15Basically just launched a whole social

2:17media career. But I personally I don't

2:19like starting it for people.

2:20>> Oh, so like that's the one caveat. Like

2:22if they they don't have an account,

2:23you're not going to work with them.

2:24>> Yeah. I I don't have something in my bio

2:27that's like if you want to start Only

2:28Fans work with me. No, it's like if

2:29you're already doing it and you want to

2:31make more money.

2:31>> But what if what if it's like a you know

2:33a BBL Becky like a real good-looking

2:35girl. She's like millions of followers

2:38and you're like

2:38>> nah

2:39>> you wouldn't work with her.

2:40>> N

2:40>> really

2:41>> unless there unless their process has

2:43already started. It's also because

2:44there's so many things that you know

2:45could go. People do regret this job

2:47obviously like it's not a completely

2:50normal thing to do. people get hate

2:52online or their mom starts to hate them

2:53and then

2:54>> in that case they might say, "Oh, well,

2:56he helped me start it and I don't want

2:58that reputation."

3:00>> I agree. And like do you like do you

3:01warn a lot of these girls? Like do you

3:03think like some of them really know what

3:04they're getting into or are they just so

3:05distracted by the money that they like

3:07or you really take them down that path

3:09like this is good? We have a lot of

3:10conversations before cuz sometimes

3:12people with us they start doing social

3:14media for the first time and they may be

3:16doing crazy [ __ ] on only fans which you

3:19know I I don't deal with that like I'm

3:22not the one dictating that stuff. They

3:23might be doing something crazy but I let

3:25them know hey if you're going to post

3:26about this online it's the the craziest

3:28comment section I've ever seen in my

3:29life. You know my my girlfriend used to

3:31do only fans and I I've been doing

3:33social media forever but when I would

3:35see hate comments on on her page I was

3:37like [ __ ] like it it's a lot and you

3:39have to have thick skin. So that's a

3:41conversation I always let people let

3:43people know before we start working with

3:45them cuz our main goal is to distribute

3:48content as much as possible. I'm like if

3:49people are going to see your face,

3:50everyone's going to know you do this. If

3:52they're going to do it, in my opinion,

3:53they they got to get rich as [ __ ] so

3:55they don't have to worry about getting a

3:569 to5. What do you do for a living?

3:58>> I do marketing.

3:59>> Okay.

4:00>> Yeah.

4:00>> Same. [laughter]

4:03>> You want to tag him in?

4:04>> Yeah. Come on.

4:05>> All right. So what's up? I got that dog

4:08in me.

4:09>> Yeah. [clears throat] Martini.

4:10>> Martini.

4:11>> You like the drink?

4:12>> Okay.

4:12>> Yeah.

4:12>> What do you do for a living?

4:13>> I'm a server.

4:14>> Server?

4:14>> Yeah.

4:15>> Restaurant?

4:15>> Yeah. Restaurant. This chill. Chill

4:17vibes. Do Do you feel like a pimp?

4:18>> Not really.

4:19>> No. Would do you have you have a sister?

4:22>> No, I'm only child.

4:23>> Oh, damn. Well, you know, you feel me? I

4:24was hoping you had a sister, but [ __ ]

4:26Uh,

4:26>> I have a mom if you want to make your

4:28same art.

4:28>> Yeah, there you go. Would you would you

4:30allow your mom to do this [ __ ] Like

4:33>> Well, actually, when I started doing

4:34this, I told my mom like I I laid it out

4:36to her. I was like, "Listen, this is

4:37kind of controversial what I'm doing.

4:39I'm I'm managing girls on Only Fans. I'm

4:41helping them grow on social media. They

4:43kind of, you know, post some pictures.

4:45It might be a little interesting." And

4:47and she was like, "You know what? If I

4:48was, you know, if they had that in the

4:49'8s, I'd probably do it, too."

4:50>> So, here's the thing, too. I heard I

4:52heard like earlier you had a girlfriend

4:53and [ __ ]

4:54>> Yeah. Yeah.

4:54>> Did you meet her from Only Fans?

4:56>> No, we we met in real life.

4:58>> How do you sleep at night and [ __ ] You

4:59feel me? Like knowing that like you

5:00having girls and [ __ ] half naked and

5:03[ __ ] like when you get you just like

5:04like I'm pretty sure like you don't feel

5:06like cheating on your girl and [ __ ] like

5:08really [laughter]

5:09>> that was like three I sleep

5:10>> well three what?

5:11>> Three questions.

5:12>> Oh okay. I was about that like three

5:13weeks ago or some [ __ ] But

5:14>> now one is I sleep very well. I have a I

5:16have a temperature controlled mattress.

5:18>> That's [ __ ] tempropedic.

5:21>> No I can I can make it hot and cold. I

5:23sleep like I have like a 95 sleep score

5:25every night. It's pretty good. I

5:26>> How do you check that [ __ ] or your sleep

5:28score, bro? I have on my phone. You want

5:29to see right now?

5:30>> Yeah. Yeah. Low key. Yeah.

5:32>> It sends me a text every morning what my

5:33sleep score is. I was excited for this

5:35video, so I might have gotten up early.

5:36Good morning, Owen. Your sleep fitness

5:38score is 84 today.

5:39>> Your sleep? Your So, your sleep is

5:41recorded.

5:42>> Yeah. I had 7 hours of sleep, 1 hour and

5:4516 minutes of deep sleep, and 2 hours of

5:46REM.

5:47>> Yeah. And no, I I never think about

5:49cheating on my girlfriend. I'm

5:50>> No, you sure? Like like earlier, you

5:53know, Big Booty Judy, Big Booty Betty,

5:55you know, like

5:55>> Oh, his

5:56>> Yeah. Like Yeah. There you go. No, I

5:58mean I think me having a girlfriend

6:00makes it easier to work in a business

6:01with other girls because neither me or

6:03the girl is thinking about any anything

6:05else except business. You say we're

6:06we're here to work together and and

6:08that's that's what we're doing. We're

6:09not potentially trying to flirt with

6:11each other or anything cuz that is an

6:13issue and

6:14>> and I'm sure Yeah. Like you have you

6:16have friends, right? Just like you just

6:18or just

6:19>> I got a couple friends.

6:21>> Do you trust them?

6:22>> Yeah. Yeah. I trust everyone who's who's

6:23in my life right now.

6:24>> I mean I'm pretty sure in this field

6:25it's kind of hard to trust people,

6:26right?

6:27So

6:28>> yeah, I mean, we've been scammed. I've

6:30had people steal from me. I've, you

6:31know, I've had to make hard decisions.

6:32I've had to cut people off because of

6:34business, even though I maybe like them

6:36personally. So my circle's not that big,

6:37so I trust everyone who's around.

6:38>> Well, here's the thing, though. Like,

6:40have you have you ever worked a 9 to5?

6:42>> No, never.

6:43>> That's kind of sad to be real.

6:44>> Sad.

6:45>> Yeah, bro. You got to experience that

6:46life, man. Like, have you if you try it,

6:49like you try it, I feel like you just

6:50like taking shortcuts in this [ __ ] You

6:51feel me?

6:52>> I mean, I think the opposite. I took a

6:54bigger risk cuz I've never had a job.

6:55I've never had steady income. I either

6:58when I was younger, some months I make

6:59zero, some months I make a few thousand.

7:01It's it's up to how much work I put in

7:02in that moment. I've never had that

7:03consistency.

7:04>> So, you don't feel like you take

7:05advantage of the girls and [ __ ] like

7:06that you have uh your roster?

7:09>> No, I think everyone's fair uh in every

7:11business situation. If I make a dollar,

7:13the girl's making two or three. They're

7:15always making more money than me. For me

7:16to make a lot of money, for me to have

7:18made this much money, you know, to be

7:20successful, I've made the people I work

7:22with more. Do you go to Are you

7:24religious in any way like at all?

7:26>> I I was raised Christian like I was, you

7:28know, baptized.

7:28>> Damn, bro. What the [ __ ] you doing with

7:30this [ __ ] bro? Like, what are you doing

7:31with this [ __ ]

7:33>> I I treat people well. I lead with

7:35honesty and I do good business. I've

7:37changed people's lives.

7:38>> Do you still go to church right now?

7:39Like right now?

7:40>> Not every single Sunday, but I go here

7:43and there.

7:43>> Wow. Like in the background, like you

7:45got like like [ __ ] petite, you know,

7:47like all this categories and [ __ ] You

7:49feel me?

7:49>> No, it's it's more of like it's just by

7:51name.

7:52>> Okay. You know,

7:53>> like like like star names.

7:54>> No, no. I I I manage people that go by

7:56their real names on social media. They

7:58just

7:58>> Okay.

7:59>> Interesting. This this [ __ ] dude,

8:01bro. Like the [ __ ] is this [ __ ]

8:03>> Yo, yo, [laughter]

8:04>> this [ __ ]

8:05>> I see I see the whips and [ __ ] Like, so

8:07like what do you what do you what's your

8:08what's your goals in life basically

8:11after I after all this [ __ ]

8:12>> My real goal is to get super [ __ ]

8:16rich and well invested by the time I'm

8:18like 25 so then I could have kids and

8:20take care of them.

8:21>> How old are you right now? I'm 23.

8:23>> Oh, okay. I'm 25.

8:25>> Okay.

8:25>> Yeah.

8:26>> We're tagging Colon.

8:27>> What up, Ry?

8:28>> How's it going? What's your name?

8:30>> I'm Devin.

8:30>> What do you do for a living?

8:32>> Uh, I'm in tech sales.

8:33>> All right. I mean, that's pretty

8:34wholesome

8:35>> for sure, bro.

8:36>> I [ __ ] with it.

8:36>> Yeah. What about Best Buy?

8:37>> I mean, you could call it that if you

8:39want. What about you?

8:40>> I mean, people buy.

8:43>> People do buy for sure.

8:44>> They do. So, am I a pimp?

8:46>> Uh, I feel like you are, bro. I'm not

8:48going to lie. But see, when I think of

8:49pimp, I'm thinking of the guy with the

8:51gold cane that says, "Yo, if you're not

8:52strolling the strip for at least like 14

8:54hours a day, you're you're getting

8:56whacked."

8:56>> I mean, for sure. I mean, wheels were

8:58wooden and now, you know, they're

9:00rubber, right? Um, and I just really

9:02believe that's what that is, right? At

9:05the end of the day, when we're talking

9:06about uh the transaction that you're

9:09making,

9:10>> you know, in life, you know, we have

9:12these decisions that we can make and we

9:15work hard. I'm sure you stay up, you

9:16know, all night, blood, sweat, tears

9:18that you put into a craft.

9:20>> U, but sometimes I feel like, you know,

9:23when we have a a way of, hey, I'm not a

9:26pimp. I mean, that is what it is. It's a

9:28transaction and we got to be real about

9:30that. And blood, sweat, and tears can

9:32lead to at the end of the road me

9:34saying, yo, like, you know, this is what

9:35I did and this is what I serviced and

9:38these are what my dreams were on the

9:39world. And when I really think about

9:41that, when that's somebody's daughter,

9:43that's somebody's son, how is their

9:45imprint on the world? And we just have

9:47to really keep our eyes on that, you

9:49know? I'm sure you are a fantastic

9:51scalable man, right? You're a marketer,

9:53but how are you marketing to the world?

9:56And that's what matters, you know?

9:58>> Okay, it's a good question.

9:59>> Damn. [ __ ]

10:01>> Oh my god. Wait. All right. I definitely

10:03don't think I'm a pimp. Like, at the end

10:05of the day, my entire job consists of

10:07posting Instagram reels, posting Tik

10:09Toks. Yeah.

10:17>> So, I like to say I'm just a social

10:19media manager. Like, that is what my

10:21daily inputs are.

10:22>> And why don't you want any involvement?

10:24>> Because that's not my place. That's

10:25their what's what they do on the

10:27platform is up to them and it's just our

10:28job to make them the most amount of

10:30money possible with as much or as little

10:33as they do on that platform. Like we

10:35have creators who are on that platform

10:36that

10:37>> don't do anything very explicit at all.

10:40Like literally

10:41>> but I mean in overall right there is a

10:44there is a distribution of something

10:45right.

10:46>> Well yeah it's a it is a service-based

10:47industry.

10:48>> It is a service-based industry. And what

10:50are you distributing?

10:50>> We are distributing um honestly explicit

10:54content and sometimes not explicit

10:56content. So if you are distributing that

10:58explicit content,

10:59>> we're we're distributing an inter a

11:01parasocial interaction between a

11:03>> and what does that distribution lead to?

11:05>> Uh usually nothing.

11:06>> Nothing. I would agree.

11:08>> Yeah.

11:09>> Right. And so I have a I have a sister I

11:11got two sisters, right? Congrats. 112.

11:15>> And at the end of the day from you

11:16distributing that content, could that

11:18lead into my sister's hands?

11:20>> The content that I distribute lead into

11:22your sisters? Like

11:23>> it's a you you distribute it, right?

11:24Hey, you're a scale purchase.

11:26>> I'm not saying she's going to purchase

11:27the content or not, but could something

11:29like that lead into those hands? Yes or

11:31no?

11:33>> When you say lead the you mean lead them

11:35into making the content or lead them

11:36into receiving the content

11:37>> in any of those forms, making the

11:39content, receiving the content, because

11:40you have a advertisement saying, "Hey,

11:43if you come on my platform, I can help

11:44you scale and make money."

11:46>> Yes. Well, technically, yeah, we they

11:48could, you know, come and make the the

11:50content themselves. However, like

11:52>> because you're a marketer, you're a good

11:53marketer.

11:53>> Exactly. We have creators though that

11:55literally are able to make

11:56>> So you're a pimp marketer.

11:58>> See, that's where I'm I'm still like

12:00getting getting confused. The point

12:02>> I mean I could market many things. I

12:04could market this mic. I can market that

12:06nice.

12:07>> We use our marketing to get creators to

12:10get the most out of the platform.

12:11>> Is it a creator or is it a only fans

12:14model that does explicit content?

12:18>> Both. They are a creator on social

12:20media. We built large massive personal

12:22brands around our creators that lead

12:24them into

12:24>> and for that explicit content you get a

12:27transaction monetarily.

12:29>> Yes,

12:29>> that is blood money.

12:30>> I mean I don't have any wounds.

12:34>> No, I I I see the point. Yes. Like at

12:35the end of the day, the money does come

12:37from an immoral business. However, we

12:40try to practice the business as morally

12:41as possible.

12:42>> How can you like I mean it's like this

12:44like I'm like yo I'm swimming but I'm

12:46playing basketball. Which one is it?

12:48Like you said, we're doing a moral thing

12:51and in a moral business.

12:53>> You could cuz I personally think it's

12:55better to be a good person in a bad

12:57industry than a bad person in a good

12:59industry. We have single-handedly

13:01changed the Only Fans industry as a

13:03whole for managers, creators, and

13:05everybody. We brought an entire new

13:07avenue and way that people go about this

13:09industry than ever has been done in the

13:10past.

13:11>> We take a social media forward approach

13:13versus the other way around where a lot

13:14of girls come into the platform

13:16>> literally like showing their Punani on

13:19the internet for $3.99 and we're say,

13:21"Hey, why are you doing that?" You don't

13:23need to do that to make a lot of money.

13:26You could just simply create value as

13:28yourself, as a creator that people fall

13:30in love with the creator online and then

13:32they want to build a relationship and

13:34talk with that creator. Obviously,

13:36pictures are transacted, but like I

13:38said, a lot of our creators don't do

13:39anything beyond what girls are posting

13:41for free on Instagram now. And look,

13:44bro, like at the end of the day, man,

13:45like it it seems as if like you are a

13:48scaler, you are a marketer, and you help

13:50creators grow, but I think there is a

13:53way for a creator. There's just so many

13:55really cool things in this world. I

13:57mean, we're in a global world with

13:59access

14:00>> and and you're distributing access to

14:02what people can really really do with

14:03their time. And we got to think about

14:05that, you know, because at the end of

14:07the day, like, you know, that is blood

14:09money. It is. there's a transaction

14:12being distributed for for people's

14:14negative gain, you know, and we just got

14:16to really just be aware of that. You

14:18know what I'm saying? And it ain't

14:19honestly ain't about you have to be

14:20aware

14:21>> and and it ain't about like, bro, like

14:22making bread, getting to the bag, you

14:24feel me? But at the end of the day, bro,

14:2720 years from now, 10 years from now,

14:28when we got kids, I don't want nobody

14:30going to school saying, "My mom did this

14:32and this is what it looked like." And

14:34then some and then guess what? That's a

14:35generational curse that affects somebody

14:37else. You

14:38>> You're right. And honestly, that is that

14:40is the downside of the business. Like

14:42with something so high return there,

14:44obviously it's it's not sunshine and

14:45rainbows. Like there is negatives, but

14:47people just know getting into this that

14:49like this is the connotation that comes

14:51with presenting yourself in this

14:53industry online. And I mean there's

14:54creators that we work with where

14:56genuinely we we have changed their lives

14:57and actually gotten them out of pretty

14:59bad situations that genuinely I don't

15:02believe that they would have survived in

15:05the world.

15:05>> So you would call yourself a shepherd,

15:07right? you you like, yo, at the end of

15:08the day, I'm leading you out of I'm

15:10leading you out of getting paid this way

15:12and making a negative, you know, instead

15:14of you, you know, maybe getting paid

15:15$3.99, bro, I'm helping you scale, I'm

15:18helping you make money. But at the end

15:19of the day, bro, at the end of the day,

15:21if I'm feeding poison, I'm feeding

15:22poison, you know?

15:24>> Well, that's in my opinion, right? If

15:26somebody's already doing it, they're

15:27already consuming the poison. We're

15:29helping them actually just not be

15:31poisoned by the industry because there

15:32are so many people that

15:33>> But the industry is poisonous. A viper

15:35is a viper. Just cuz I get a smaller

15:37dose and a bigger dose. Coke is Coke.

15:39What you doing, bro? It's poison.

15:43>> You're You're not wrong in that sense.

15:45It is a poisonous industry. I'm not

15:46going to argue with the fact that, you

15:47know, porn is a bad thing to society at

15:50the end of the day. Like, it's not a

15:53good thing. Like, I personally I don't

15:55watch it. I don't consume the content.

15:56>> So, you don't consume it. You just you

15:58just pass it to everybody else and you

16:00just get the cash and everybody else

16:01gets the I mean, there are people mad at

16:03Apple for ruining people's dopamine and

16:05frying them for the entire day.

16:06>> These are fair points and these are the

16:08things that we have. Hey, I hear that

16:11these are fair and true points.

16:13>> Yeah, in in my head, pretty much every

16:15industry in the world that makes a lot

16:16of money has a negative connotation in

16:19some way, shape, or form. Even Even in

16:21industries that you might not think have

16:22any negatives to them, I'm sure there's

16:25some bad things going on behind the

16:27scenes. So, at least with ours, it's

16:28like we're pretty, you know, I mean,

16:30it's like no [ __ ] Obviously, there's a

16:32connotation about it. No one's denying

16:34that, but we just approach it with the

16:36best integrity that we can and we, you

16:39know, help people make the most out of

16:40something they're already doing.

16:41>> And I mean, to me, bro, like the way you

16:43just sound like it ain't I don't think

16:45you just some like some criminal bad

16:47dude. Like, it seems like you're just a

16:48chill guy, you feel me? But like at the

16:51end of the day, like there is just this

16:53thing at the end of the road that we got

16:55to look at and say, "Dang, what did I

16:57leave on this world?" Did I distribute

16:59mature content to an audience that could

17:02lead people into a road that's negative,

17:04even if I did it in the best way or did

17:06I lead people to a greater life and

17:08people said, "Man, he helped me go here

17:10cuz that's what matter."

17:11>> I mean, we've had creators literally buy

17:12their parents a house that probably

17:14would have been homeless. So in my in my

17:15brain for stuff like that, I think that

17:17they did lead them to a path they would

17:19not have escaped.

17:20>> That's real. Like that's real. Like at

17:22the end of the day, bro, again, you're a

17:23scaler. You're a creative and you do

17:26awesome things, but how do you do these

17:28things? And how does that impact leave

17:29on this world? And that's what we got to

17:31ask. That's it. All love.

17:33>> I do my thing. All love.

17:34>> Amen.

17:35>> Appreciate you.

17:37[applause]

17:38>> [ __ ] Damn, [cheering]

17:41>> bro. You thought he was bullied.

17:43>> All right. I I don't know who's going to

17:44who's going to follow that one up, but I

17:46mean that that one that one definitely

17:47had me stumping a little bit.

17:48>> [ __ ] it.

17:49>> Is Only Fans Management actually a real

17:51job?

17:52>> Okay. All right. Let's do it. How's it

17:55going?

17:56>> What's your name and uh what do you do

17:58for a living?

17:58>> My name is Foreign and I work at David

18:00Busters ticket counter.

18:02>> Fire.

18:02>> Um before I before I start, I want to

18:04ask a question.

18:05>> All right.

18:05>> Um you said you're like a Only Fans

18:08marketer and manager, so you like both

18:10kind of. Yes.

18:11>> I'm wondering when are you actually

18:14editing the coochie flick or not?

18:15>> No.

18:16>> So, you don't increase the brightness or

18:17the contrast or anything?

18:18>> Not of the coochie content. I do I do

18:21increase uh you know contrast

18:23saturation. I I shoot in slog. I can

18:25color grade. I uh I know how to work. I

18:28I was a videographer for years. I did a

18:30lot of freelance video work and I got

18:32into social media or social media as a

18:34videographer and then I became a

18:36videographer for Only Fans promotional

18:38content and marketed content. So the the

18:40reason I ask you is because let's say

18:42you're um let's say you're like a super

18:43genius marketer.

18:44>> Okay. We've been called that.

18:46>> What's what's stopping you from

18:47marketing absolutely anything and

18:49everything besides this and making the

18:51same amount of back? Cuz I'm sure this

18:52is just for money for you, you know,

18:54because what's the purpose behind Only

18:55Fans? You know what I mean?

18:56>> Well, okay. Yeah, you're right. I could

18:58market anything, but we simply have

19:00marketed other stuff. We've been in

19:01social media for feels like a damn

19:03decade at this point. Probably like six

19:05to eight years, honestly. And we've, you

19:07know, done a lot of stuff. We've done

19:08brand deals. even you know my girlfriend

19:10does UGC content and marketing. She's a

19:12social media strategist for for brands

19:14and stuff like that. Like I have a lot

19:16of knowledge in the social media field

19:18as a whole and we simply just take

19:21regular social media strategies and

19:23apply them to Only Fans creators because

19:25it's the highest ROI industry out there.

19:28>> So it's the highest ROI industry

19:29>> by far. Only Fans is the only industry.

19:31>> So you're saying for the other jobs that

19:33you guys are doing and and pursuing,

19:34it's challenging for you guys to make a

19:36higher ROI than

19:37>> 100%. I mean, even something like ecom

19:39for example, right? If you have if you

19:41do ecom or a clothing brand, like only

19:43fans is something with there's no

19:45inventory. There's practically no

19:46overhead other than chatting cost. It's

19:48typically on a percentage basis paid out

19:50to them. And at the end of the day, it's

19:52I've yet to hear of another industry and

19:54I talk to people a lot like a lot of

19:55different people in different

19:56businesses. Everyone agrees like Only

19:58Fans is the only thing that you can

20:00really just [ __ ] make. I mean, we

20:02have students that make $100,000 their

20:05first month doing this or make a creator

20:07account.

20:08>> Let's say you take a major a major

20:09influencer and you're their manager and

20:11social media manager. You get them a ton

20:13of brand deals. They're doing great and

20:14you're comparing that to an Only Fans

20:16person who isn't really offering much

20:18besides their body. You're saying that

20:19you can't make similar ROIs.

20:21>> Well, honestly, a lot of the Only Fans

20:23creators, believe it or not, like you'd

20:24be surprised. They're some of the most

20:25hardworking creators that I've ever

20:27worked with and like they all genuinely

20:29do enjoy making content. Even Camila

20:31when we started working with her her

20:33main constraint with her current

20:34management was the fact that they simply

20:36were not receptive to her creative input

20:38and didn't want to do you know cool

20:41videos

20:41>> on Camila specifically then let's say

20:43you take Camila versus let's say you

20:44take another influencer your position is

20:47that you would you would have a more

20:48challenging time marketing an influencer

20:50and making such a high ROI than would be

20:53with Camila because she's selling her

20:54body.

20:55>> I wouldn't necessarily say that. I think

20:56with Only Fans, it gives you it's

20:58because it's such a controversial topic.

21:00When when we got into Only Fans, it it

21:02was way less sashy than it is now,

21:04right? Like we were some of the first

21:05ones creating like real like enjoyable

21:09content. Like a lot of the content we

21:10used to do in the past was not even like

21:11crazy sexual. Like we would do YouTube

21:13shorts where we find an air tag across

21:15the city of New York and Right.

21:17>> Was that was that a high ROI?

21:18>> And it was Yeah. like it Camila I mean

21:21through the process of making you know

21:22millions of dollars on only fans has

21:25created 10 million followers on Tik Tok

21:275.8 eight or whatever million followers

21:29on Instagram, probably another million

21:31plus combined on other Instagram

21:32accounts. Has a YouTube with with tens

21:35of millions.

21:36>> And is that is that le led into a lot of

21:39brand deals or she is she still a major

21:41brand risk?

21:42>> She is a major brand risk. That's

21:43actually why she took a step away from

21:45the industry to try to open herself up.

21:47So

21:47>> So you're following that journey is what

21:49I'm saying. So now you're you're let's

21:50say she stops only.

21:51>> Well, I'm personally not because I'm not

21:53her social media manager. I was, you

21:55know, an only fans manager and I still

21:57obviously help them. She's a great

21:58friend of mine. I still help them film

22:00videos. I've helped them film content

22:01for whatever it is that they please.

22:03We're still great friends. We hang out

22:04all the time. But obviously like my job,

22:06I have my our own agency, our own

22:09coaching um program and I do a lot of

22:12stuff for my own personal brand as well

22:13and that's what I actually focus my time

22:15on. Hypothetically, could you coach

22:16someone into being a like an influencer

22:19manager and and then you could guarant

22:21like not guarantee but you could lead

22:23into incre in into creating such a high

22:25ROI in a different industry such as only

22:28fans. You could do both is what you

22:29>> 100% I could I've actually I've given so

22:31much social media advice to people not

22:33in the only fans.

22:34>> You can make similar returns. Let's say

22:36it's even a more challenging process.

22:37What's the point of doing a purposeless

22:39uh endeavor? because you just you can't

22:41make similar returns and I honestly

22:43don't feel [snorts] purposeless when I

22:45can't as you specifically or do you mean

22:46in general in terms

22:47>> just in general if you're like doing a

22:49lot of the stuff like I mean I I don't

22:50know of many brands that are out here

22:52just just casually giving like $100,000

22:54brand deals plus unless you have a

22:57massive massive social media platform

22:59you could do that but I mean I would

23:00take time to build that up

23:01>> and you don't want to take that time is

23:03what you're saying

23:03>> no we have we've built a really really

23:05good reputation for ourselves in the

23:06industry in the entire space everyone

23:08knows who we are they know who we work

23:10with they know that we're good people

23:12essentially. So why would we take step

23:14away from this industry when we spent so

23:16many years building ourselves up in it

23:18and learning the specific industry to

23:19then completely abandon it?

23:20>> So is the industry is the industry your

23:22specialty or is being a marketer and

23:24manager especially it's a little bit my

23:25question.

23:26>> I've picked up so many skills that are

23:28so unbelievably valuable in the current

23:30day and age. I know I can start an

23:32Instagram for probably any brand and get

23:35it a following. I can do anything

23:37related to social media. I know how to

23:39edit videos. I know how to film videos.

23:41I know how to run ads. I know how to now

23:43do an info info product because of our

23:46own coaching program. I know I know

23:47about AI. I know how to do develop apps

23:50and software and like all these tasks

23:52that I know I could transition out of

23:54the industry if I wanted to. But we're

23:56currently, you know, we're at a very

23:57good point in our career. We've built a

24:00big reputation like I said. So, there's

24:01not I just don't see a reason to walk

24:03away from it because there's still a lot

24:04we haven't done. It seems like at this

24:06point with your knowledge and skills

24:07that you've learned along the way that

24:09you're at a great position to that if

24:11you wanted to, you could pivot out and

24:13make and make a good return.

24:14>> I mean, yeah, at the end of the day, I'm

24:15I'm only 23. I just turned 23. I'm not,

24:18you know, an old guy. I still have a lot

24:19of time left. Who knows? I'll probably I

24:20might find something else that I find

24:22interesting like coding, developing

24:24software, whatever it might be, and I

24:26could transition out, but I it's not

24:28because of I feel purposeless. It's just

24:30maybe I just get bored.

24:32>> You feel like you have purpose like your

24:33purpose with Only Fans. Yeah, 100%. I

24:35do. I I enjoy creating content. I enjoy

24:38being creative. I always have been. Um I

24:40was a I was a theater kid. I was a fat

24:43beatbox singer and uh when I was in high

24:45school, I was friends with a lot of

24:47girls. I connect with them naturally cuz

24:49I was socially awkward. And uh yeah,

24:51that's kind of what led us into this. We

24:53just became friends with them. They

24:54hated their managers. And then we're

24:55like, "Hey, we could probably, you know,

24:57give you a much more enjoyable time in

24:59this and actually bring your ideas to

25:00life." And then we did and created, you

25:03know, a massive creator out of it.

25:05Multiple massive creators out of it. All

25:06right. Appreciate you. How's it going?

25:09>> Nice to meet you.

25:10>> What's your name and what do you do for

25:11a living?

25:12>> My name is Raul and a real estate

25:14investor.

25:15>> Oh, wow. All right, cool. I might need

25:17to ask you some questions.

25:18>> Sure. Do you ever have a real job?

25:21>> A what?

25:22>> A real job?

25:26>> Like a like a like a like a J O?

25:29>> Yeah.

25:34>> [gasps]

25:35[panting]

25:36>> Sorry, I uh I needed a second. I needed

25:38a second for that. Um sorry, I had a

25:41little bit of war flashbacks. No, I've

25:43I've never had a traditional 9 to5 uh

25:46job. I did work as a uh a summer camp

25:49counselor, if that counts for anything.

25:51I was a also a photographer for the

25:53summer camp and I believe the hours for

25:54that were 7 to 3:30 and I was also 17

25:58years old. But no, I've never clocked in

26:01to a regular uh office job or shift.

26:05>> Okay. And uh what is your passion like?

26:09>> My passion is uh creating content and

26:11actually just you know expressing myself

26:13creatively and I've done that a lot with

26:15this industry and also my passion is

26:18simply just I don't know just obviously

26:20making money and just creating like a a

26:22long-lasting impact and like through

26:24this I've built a pretty big brand

26:26around myself. Owen has as well and uh

26:28it brings like a bit of legacy to me as

26:31a creator and individual.

26:32>> Okay. So help me understand your passion

26:34is only fans create content. [laughter]

26:38>> I mean I guess tech indirectly maybe but

26:41no my passion is not necessarily only

26:44fans. I don't say that I'm I am so

26:46passionate about only fans. I'm

26:50passionate about helping Only Fans

26:51creators, helping them market

26:53themselves, helping them grow on social

26:54media, helping myself grow on social

26:56media. And obviously, at the end of the

26:58day, like the content we make, we take

27:00inspiration from not only fans,

27:02creators, we take inspiration from

27:04literally [ __ ] Mr. Beast or like

27:06other trending influencers and trends

27:08going around the internet and we simply

27:10apply them and spin them to our industry

27:12to promote Only Fans.

27:14>> So, you make a lot of money.

27:16>> I do well.

27:16>> Yeah. Like how much you make last year?

27:20>> Last year

27:21>> several million [snorts] outside the

27:23IRS.

27:24>> Well, no. If Okay. No, technically I I

27:26only made $236,000.

27:29If the IRS is watching this as in

27:31distributions,

27:33>> and you spend a lot of money as well.

27:35>> Oh, yeah. Cuz I can write a lot of stuff

27:36off. That Lambo behind me right there is

27:37a is a tax write off.

27:40>> It's been used in paid advertisements

27:41for my own brand.

27:42>> It uh use it for videos all the time. I

27:44pretty I honestly don't even drive it

27:46too much other than to film.

27:47>> I just got one question. If if you can

27:51do something that doesn't involve only

27:54fans like you already tell me you do for

27:56a big influencer, would you just stop

27:58doing Only Fans?

28:01>> Well, it brings you back to my original

28:02point. It's not that I necessarily would

28:04stop doing it because it's like we've

28:05spent years learning this industry and

28:07building a name for oursel and we have

28:09so many connections in the space. We've

28:11not only created the largest

28:13influencers, but now know and have

28:14worked with all the other large

28:16influencers in the space. So, no, I

28:18don't necessarily want to walk away from

28:20it entirely. If a opportunity presents

28:23itself that I, you know, enjoy doing or

28:25want to do, I'll do it. But it's not

28:27because of any other reason other than

28:28just, I don't know, try new [ __ ]

28:30>> So, you have like a deadline to stop

28:33doing it or you going to

28:34>> No, not a deadline. not like a set date

28:36where I'm like when I turn 25 I'm I am

28:39stopping this.

28:40>> I mean in terms of like I have a

28:42financial goal in my brain that I know

28:44that I want to reach before I like I

28:45probably would take my foot off the gas

28:47a little bit and just chill out and

28:49probably reassess my life and be like

28:50well now I've built so much for myself

28:52now where do I go from here which

28:54honestly would be something like real

28:55estate which I'm looking to get into.

28:57I'm even been talking to commercial real

28:59estate investors to you know use my

29:01money that I've generated to set me up

29:03for life and my generations for life. So

29:06yeah, it's not a set date and more of a

29:07set honestly amount of money that

29:09wouldn't even make me stop. It would

29:10just kind of make me I don't know change

29:12where I focus my energy in life cuz I

29:14don't want it's a very taxing job. I

29:15work a lot of hours. I work more than a

29:179 toive job would every day. I'm up till

29:195 in the morning every night working on

29:20my computer and uh literally all I do is

29:22wake up, go to the gym and and work. So

29:25>> you want to have a family, kids. Yeah, I

29:27I do. I have a beautiful girlfriend

29:28who's very supportive of what I do. My

29:31family and friends all think it's

29:32honestly super cool. When I told my

29:34parents about what I was doing, she was

29:35like, "Oh my god, so you're like a

29:36digital Hugh Hefner. That's so cool."

29:38And I'm like, "You know, type shit." Um,

29:41but yeah, my my family all thinks it's

29:43pretty very interesting. I've never had

29:45anybody that I'm related to actually

29:47like remotely say anything about what I

29:50do. And a lot of my friends just ask me

29:51to put them on. And I've actually put a

29:53couple of my friends on and then they're

29:54honestly probably some of the the most

29:56successful kids now out of our high

29:57school.

29:58>> So let's look in 10 years, 15 years. If

30:01your son or your daughter ask you that

30:03why you did that 10 years ago, why you

30:06would be your answer?

30:07>> Well, a for everything that you know I

30:10provide for them in life. So the

30:12financial future that I'll set up for my

30:14you know family and generations

30:16obviously that's why I did it. It's why

30:18everybody does the industry. Obviously

30:19no one's not in it to make money.

30:21There's a couple people who we know who

30:22are in it for the love of the game, but

30:24that personally I don't even agree with.

30:26Um, but yeah, honestly, I also don't

30:28think that I did anything bad and to be

30:32ashamed of. Like, if somebody says, my

30:33kids like, "Dad, what did you do?" I'm

30:35be like, "Yeah, I posted Instagram reels

30:37every single day for 5 years of my life

30:39and Tik Toks and Instagram and YouTube."

30:41And I'm not on Only Fans personally. I'm

30:44a manager. So, I think it's a little bit

30:46different perspective than like a mother

30:48having a child who had done it. So,

30:50would you support your daughter or your

30:52son if they want to do Only Fans?

30:54>> If they want if if I had a son who

30:56wanted to do Only Fans management,

30:57honestly, yeah, sure. Even my little

30:58brother, he seems to be kind of

31:00interested in it. And honestly, I'm

31:01like, if you he wants to do it and he's

31:03going to do it with good good integrity

31:05and, you know, good intentions, then

31:07that's all that matters. And a daughter,

31:09honestly, if I'm successful enough, I

31:11don't think that they would need to do

31:12it. And um if they did, I would make

31:15sure that they're at least managed by

31:16somebody like us so I know that they're

31:18not being taken advantage of and you

31:20know doing a lot for a little.

31:22>> What about you? Your your parents, how

31:24would you feel if they do it? Like

31:27>> Well, if my parents did it, I mean that

31:28that might be a little strange, but just

31:29cuz it's like a parent, right? Like no

31:32one wants to think of their parent doing

31:33that at the end of the day.

31:34>> Um but yeah, I mean even for for my

31:37parents, I mean I just don't think they

31:38even would. Like they're they're older.

31:40They have no intention. My mom even made

31:41a joke one time when I told her about

31:43what I was and she's like, "What do you

31:44can I just cook on there? Will people

31:46pay me to watch me cook?" And I'm like,

31:47"Actually, yes, there are people who do

31:49do that and they make a lot of money."

31:51So, you don't need to just be I mean,

31:52you don't need to post nudes on Only

31:54Fans. You can post anything. I know

31:56people that sell poems, just selfies.

31:59>> Like, that's it. It's a It's a

32:01pay-per-view platform that you could

32:02sell anything on, not just pornography.

32:05[snorts]

32:05>> Last question. What would you tell the

32:08parents of your clients they feel like

32:10uh bad about their

32:12>> Well, actually we're we're pretty close

32:13with the majority of our clients parents

32:16like they know us very personally. We

32:18know them pretty personally. We've

32:19attended many group functions, dinners,

32:22trips, you name it. And I've never heard

32:24anybody really say any type of way. Even

32:26I mean Camila has said her parents were,

32:28you know, not happy with her doing it at

32:30first and they ultimately came around

32:31once they learned more about the

32:32industry. A lot of people have a a false

32:34connotation of it because they just

32:35simply are not educated in what the

32:38business actually entails. I mean,

32:40people still think I'm like he said up

32:42changing the contrast on coochie pics.

32:44Like that's just not the case. Like I

32:46think with which with education a lot of

32:48people would have way less of a a stigma

32:50around it if they simply knew what went

32:52into it. Okay.

32:54>> And my last question would be um like uh

32:57you believe in God?

32:58>> I do believe in God. I believe in a

33:00higher power. I believe in in God. I've

33:03I've talked to a lot of people with

33:04different religions and I

33:06>> I do believe that there is a God out

33:09there or God. All right, I'm gonna tap

33:10in Owen because I I need I need some

33:12water.

33:13>> Go get him, Tiger.

33:15>> What's up?

33:15>> What's up, man? My name is Matt.

33:17>> Owen, nice to meet you.

33:19>> Was that nice,

33:20>> girl?

33:21>> We could cook for a second then.

33:23>> You could raise your raise your hand in

33:245 minutes.

33:26>> No, no, I'm not. No, no, no, no, no. So,

33:28how's your day so far, man?

33:29>> Good. It's pretty good. It's pretty It's

33:31pretty nice weather out here, you know.

33:32>> Yeah, it's a little hot.

33:33>> Um, what made you like start Only Fans?

33:35Like, you know, do you start with Only

33:37Fans or you start with like a job first?

33:39>> So, I was doing YouTube myself

33:42>> and then when I met a couple of my

33:44friends, they were like doing the same

33:46content as me, like YouTube shorts, but

33:48they were doing it with girls and the

33:49girls had Only Fans and they were like,

33:50"Yo, you should, you know, get into this

33:53Only Fans stuff. It makes way more

33:54money." Cuz they were like, "I was doing

33:56YouTube making not a lot. Now I, you

33:58know, help promote these Girls Only

33:59fans, make a lot more money. And I was

34:01like, seems like they're doing the same

34:03[ __ ] as me, but just making more. So,

34:04let me try that out.

34:05>> And how do you feel that so much people

34:07in this world is viewing you as a person

34:08that's like doing bad in life, even

34:10though that you know yourself as a

34:12person, you know, you're doing good?

34:13>> It's unfortunate because, you know, I

34:16like you said, I I have my own life. I

34:18I've spent time with the people that

34:20I've helped and I have a close circle

34:22around me that we all love each other

34:24and we support each other. Everyone

34:25knows that deep down, you know, behind

34:27the scenes of what goes on and I've done

34:30well by people. People appreciated what

34:32I've done and a lot of people just, you

34:35know, ignore all of that and just from

34:37face value just say, "You're a terrible

34:39person or you're, you know, I hate you,

34:41whatever." And it's it's unfortunate,

34:43but I've also been putting myself out

34:45there online since I was 11. I used to

34:47do YouTube. I get I used to get made fun

34:49of just for being like chopped when I

34:51was a kid. So, so like if you're doing

34:52Only Fans right now, how come you can't

34:54put that industry into TikTok without

34:56showing so much Kchi and boobs and all

34:57that?

34:58>> Well, I actually realized that, you

35:01know, we can and through promoting Only

35:04Fans and building brands online, I found

35:07avenues of making money through brand

35:09deals and through YouTube. You know,

35:11with my girlfriend, she launched a

35:13podcast that has made, you know,

35:14millions of dollars and other, you know,

35:17endeavors based off of the personal

35:18brand. So at the end of the day, my goal

35:20is to be the best social media manager

35:22in the world. And I think this is, you

35:24know, Only Fins is still probably 75% of

35:27all of the money that, you know, our

35:29company.

35:29>> And with all that money you're doing,

35:30are you doing something good with that?

35:32Like doing like, you know, spending on

35:33like cancer people or like people in the

35:35hospital or are you just like all for

35:37yourself and like get all these cars?

35:39>> I mean, for me, the first big things I

35:41did were, you know, give back to my

35:43family and what whatever they needed.

35:45Sometimes, you know, for me personally,

35:47I came from a pretty fortunate

35:48situation. I didn't have to bring my

35:50family out of any bad situation. I just

35:52gave them gifts and and nice things.

35:54>> How about the people in the hospital

35:55that has cancer and already going

35:57through problems?

35:58>> I mean, I've like I was going to say,

35:59going forward now, since I took care of

36:02my family and I took care of the ones

36:03closest to me first, which I believe

36:04everyone should now, I've taken the

36:07effort to go out and donate to food

36:09banks and there's a church, you know, 3

36:11minutes down the road. We gave actually

36:13cooked food and and handed it out in the

36:15neighborhood cuz this, you know, we're

36:16pretty close to it.

36:17>> All right. And if you say you're so much

36:19of a Christian, how come you do Only

36:20Fans? That's more of a devil?

36:22>> I mean, I actually wouldn't say, like I

36:24said, I was raised in Christianity, but

36:26I've had my own like kind of

36:28interpretation of religion and I'm still

36:31kind of trying to figure that all out

36:33because I don't feel any negative energy

36:38upon me based on what I do. I've

36:40actually only been felt, you know, I've

36:41only been given positive energy and

36:43positive experiences. People have good

36:45things to say about me and what I've

36:47done for them, whether that's in only

36:48fans management or not. Just a good

36:50person to be around. And I try to give

36:52my all to other people. I try to help

36:53people when they're in need. And based

36:56on doing a job that, you know, makes

36:58money off some explicit pictures or

37:00even, you know, videos of people doing

37:04>> sex. I don't think that's, you know, I

37:06don't think that makes me related to the

37:08devil or that job related to the devil.

37:10>> But in the Bible, it says that you need

37:11to wait till marriage to have sex with

37:13that one person. But you're over here

37:14recording many people doing other things

37:16that's related to the devil.

37:17>> In that case, have you have you had sex

37:19before marriage?

37:21>> Yeah, I have. And the thing is right

37:23now, if I ask you this question, if you

37:24die right now, would you go to heaven or

37:25hell? I think if the interpretation of

37:28both those places is absolutely how it's

37:29listed in the Bible, and that's 100%

37:31true, I I would go to heaven because the

37:33only person who sees inside of my soul

37:36would be God, would be a higher power,

37:37and they've seen how I've led my life

37:40with honesty. And, you know, I think

37:42there's people in industries where they

37:44look squeaky clean and they're like

37:45selling toilet paper or some [ __ ] but

37:47they've probably [ __ ] somebody over on

37:49the back end and and you know, the only

37:50person who saw that was God. But

37:52>> and if you have kids right now, so you

37:54you like do content with other people

37:55with Only Fans and like models and all

37:57that. And if they see that that you're

37:58in that platform, what do they think

38:00about that?

38:02>> I think the best person for them to

38:05learn about what we do would be us. I

38:08think if they I think if somebody saw

38:10that from a perspective of a parent who

38:12hates what we do, then that kid would

38:15be, you know, basically convinced that

38:17what we do is horrible. But if they come

38:19from us and and this is, you know, even

38:21people online would probably have their

38:23own thing to say about this. But I think

38:25if our kids are raised by us in, you

38:27know, I have two parents that love me,

38:29my girlfriend, future wife has two

38:31parents that love her. You know, we have

38:32a massive family. They would be raised

38:34with love. They would see the type of

38:36people we are. They would know why we've

38:37done what we've done. And we could be

38:39able to explain them when it's

38:41appropriate, you know, kind of

38:42everything that's gone on. I think that

38:43they're going to understand and they're

38:45not going to think anything bad of it.

38:46Philly, but if you're going to be a

38:47father one day and you're supposed to be

38:49a leader, don't you think they you want

38:50them to go to college and do school,

38:52have a degree instead of only fans and

38:53showing everything and you're going to

38:55see that?

38:55>> I mean, I don't know if I necessarily

38:57want that. I don't even think I think

38:58college is going to be entirely obsolete

39:00by the time my kids are at. I I don't

39:02think people are even going to go to

39:04college at the same rate they do in 5

39:06years. So, when I have kids, I think

39:08they're going to decide what they want

39:09to do based on, you know, their own

39:11interests cuz ideally, they're not going

39:12to be working from a place of struggle.

39:15they're going to be working from a place

39:16of inspiration, you know, whatever they

39:17want to do because I'm going to set them

39:19up well. And if they want to go to

39:21college to be lawyer, doctor, engineer,

39:23etc., where they need intensive training

39:25like that, then I hope they do follow

39:27that. But if they wanted, you know, just

39:29like me, I grew up watching YouTube

39:31videos. I grew up watching people on the

39:32internet. So, I wanted to do that same

39:33[ __ ] If if that happens to them, I'll

39:36make sure to guide them. But at the end

39:37of the day, I can't control them.

39:39>> All right. I'm done. That's it.

39:42>> All right. I appreciate you.

39:43>> Go ahead, buddy.

39:47Hello.

39:48>> Hi,

39:48>> Maria.

39:49>> Owen. Nice to meet you.

39:51>> Nice to meet you, too. Um, so I do 9 to5

39:56and I also do social media on the side.

39:59Okay. Biggest question is if Only Fans

40:04is so good, why would Camila quit?

40:07because I think she was a different

40:10situation to where she took over on Only

40:13Fans really fast because of her

40:15personality and coincidentally in the

40:18middle of it she grew 10 million

40:20followers on TikTok and by 20 you know

40:24the start of 2026 she had 70% of her

40:27fans and her followers everywhere ended

40:28up being girls. So, in a way, she almost

40:32outgrew Only Fans because she had a

40:34larger fan base of girls than guys. And

40:36she got to a place where she was getting

40:38invited to go to movie premieres and be

40:40on shows and fashion shows, all these

40:43like big things. But then when it came

40:44down to the deal being made, they were

40:46like, "Oh, but this only fans." So, with

40:49her career, cuz you know, I'm not her

40:51only manager or whatever. She has a

40:53massive team now, but we all decided

40:56that it was probably best to take a risk

40:58and quit Only Fans just to pursue being

41:02like literally the most famous person in

41:04the world.

41:05>> Okay. And so there's a thing called now

41:09fanfix, right?

41:10>> Yeah.

41:10>> What would you recommend for people to

41:12do? Only fans or fanfics?

41:15>> Well, Fanfix actually took a very smart

41:17approach to the business, right? Because

41:19there's all these girls and guys and

41:22anyone. saw people making money in Only

41:24Fans and they were like, "Oh, I want to

41:26do that, but I don't want the stigma of

41:28being a porn star or posting nudes or

41:30whatever." So, they basically, it's the

41:32same thing. The same money is generated

41:34the same way through locked messages,

41:36through chats, through paying to

41:38subscribe, but the platform doesn't

41:40allow nudity. So, exactly

41:42>> the answer to that question would just

41:43be based on preference. And

41:46>> preference,

41:46>> we've we've worked with people who do

41:48fanfix before as well. Actually made a

41:50lot of money.

41:50>> Really?

41:51>> Yeah. We we knew a girl who's making

41:52200,000 a month on fanfix.

41:54>> So I do fanfix actually. I just started

41:58it. Would you want to help me [laughter]

42:01>> manage me?

42:02>> Yeah. Yeah. Ghost. Bring me the bring me

42:04the laptop. Bring me the laptop.

42:07>> Guys, guys, guys, let's calm down.

42:08>> Quiet on set. Everybody

42:09>> quiet. Basically, I definitely don't

42:13think Only Fans is like the best route

42:15because obviously all the people that

42:19follow me and stuff, they're like, "Oh

42:20my god, you should do Only Fans or this

42:23or that." I'm like, "Obviously, I'm me

42:26morally, I could just never do that. I'm

42:28not a bop in general. I'm not I don't

42:31get with people in general. Like right

42:34now, I'm literally I've been stayed to

42:36myself for I don't even know how long.

42:38people see me in a different way I guess

42:40but

42:40>> so it's just a personal preference

42:43>> basically

42:44>> but you want to make more money with

42:46social media

42:46>> social media yeah

42:47>> yeah so I think it's it would be a smart

42:50decision to do fanfics for some people

42:52when if somebody came to us and they

42:54were like oh I don't care about what I

42:55post or what people think should I do

42:57only fans or fanfics like I said before

42:59I'm not trying to get caught up usually

43:00we don't work with people who are just

43:02starting so I would be like but if I was

43:05giving advice to them not to work with

43:06me just on their own I would say if If

43:07you don't give a [ __ ] just go do Only

43:08Fans. Like there's more from a business

43:10standpoint, there's more users. Like

43:12more people have a account on Only Fans.

43:14So that means there's literally more

43:16people who can actually subscribe. You

43:18know, people pay more money for more

43:20explicit content. Unfortunately, that's

43:21the conversation. But on FanFix, there's

43:25still the opportunity to chat with

43:27subscribers and then make money through,

43:30you know, people being fans, not being,

43:33you know,

43:34>> specifically like sexual or anything

43:36like that. So, I think it's just

43:37personal preference. I don't think

43:38there's anything wrong with one or

43:39another.

43:39>> Okay. Well,

43:40>> but speaking business, I have chat GPT

43:42pulled up here. I [laughter] could do

43:43I'll do make me a contract for fanfic.

43:49>> [ __ ] disappointed and then jealous.

43:51>> 20%

43:53of revenue.

43:55>> We're talking money now. Okay.

43:56>> Non. [laughter]

43:58>> Listen. I mean, guys, I'm sorry to waste

44:00your time here, but money talks, right?

44:01So, okay.

44:02>> This is what we have pulled up here.

44:04Cole, get this with your phone. We have

44:06a non-exclusive revenue share agreement.

44:08The purpose to the company agrees to

44:10provide growth, marketing, monetization

44:11and consulting services to the creator

44:14and there's a revenue share creator

44:16agrees to pay the company 20% of all

44:18revenue. Do we think that's fair in the

44:20audience?

44:21>> What if starting would be 15 if more

44:24money comes around, we'll do more

44:27percent.

44:28>> Of course, we've actually worked out

44:29deals with creators like this all the

44:31time. You know, we because we we have so

44:33much confidence in what we do. We like

44:36to say, "Yeah, sure." Because I could

44:37prove myself. I know we can make more

44:38money. So, I know.

44:39>> Okay. So, then let's start with the 15

44:42and then we do more the more we come,

44:45you know.

44:45>> Okay. Okay. So, let's just go over the

44:47terms. Payments shall be made weekly or

44:49bi-weekly. This agreement is

44:51non-exclusive. So, the creator may work

44:53with other agencies if they so believe

44:56that to be true. And the party may

44:58terminate within 7 days written notice.

45:01Is that fair?

45:02>> Yeah. one week to decide if we don't

45:03want to work with each other.

45:05>> Yeah.

45:05>> All right. Pleasure doing business with

45:07you.

45:08>> Hey guys. Well, I'm done here.

45:11[laughter]

45:12>> All right. Next question. Let's read it.

45:14>> You just got lucky. You aren't actually

45:17helping people. You're just piggybacking

45:18on their success.

45:19>> All right. Who wants it?

45:22>> Feel free.

45:24>> Jason.

45:27Go.

45:27>> What's up?

45:28>> What's up? My name is Benji. I'm a

45:30barber.

45:30>> Barber. Yes, sir.

45:32>> Do [clears throat] you think my

45:33hairline's dropped?

45:33>> Don't lift the hairline. We'll just keep

45:35it at that.

45:35>> Okay. Face value.

45:36>> That's why you have that haircut, right?

45:38>> Yeah.

45:38>> Okay.

45:39>> It's genetic.

45:40>> Um, so do you guys feel like you're

45:41actually helping people or are you just

45:43piggybacking off of like other people's

45:45success? Like in the long run, would you

45:46say that even though people make a lot

45:48of money, you have proof that you make a

45:49lot of money, does this actually pay out

45:51in the future

45:53>> for the people that we work with?

45:54>> Yeah,

45:55>> I think absolutely. And one of the

45:56things that we do and we've done for

45:58our, you know, clients that we work with

46:00is I don't just let them [ __ ] off their

46:02money on yachts and stuff. I've seen

46:05people make a thousand for the first

46:06time and I've seen people make a million

46:07for the first time. And I say, "You

46:09better [ __ ] download Robin Hood, put

46:11that [ __ ] in a high yield savings

46:12account, and don't [ __ ] spend it

46:14all." Not only do I have skills in

46:16social media, and I can I can make

46:17anybody grow on social media. I can make

46:18anybody money on Only Fans or FanFix, as

46:21we've seen for my new client. the the

46:23difference between us and a lot of other

46:25people is that we have good personal

46:27relationships with everybody and we

46:29don't just grow their revenue for one

46:30month to take our cut and then kick

46:32under the curve. Like we we make sure

46:34people are are set up if they're

46:36receptive.

46:37>> So you mentioned before um that use the

46:40example of your girlfriend and how you

46:41guys made a decision because of how she

46:43grew that you guys in order for her to

46:46grow you guys had to remove her from the

46:48only fans. If Only Fans wasn't something

46:50that would impede somebody from

46:51something in the future, why even remove

46:53her if she was making so much money?

46:55>> Because she has the potential to chase

46:56something greater than just money.

46:59>> And if it was something that was great

47:00for you, right? Cuz there's certain

47:02things you can do a lot of, right? So in

47:03business, you can do marketing. You can

47:05also invest in other accounts. You can

47:07also do so many different things at

47:09once. If something that could help

47:11somebody, and you really believe you're

47:13helping somebody long term, why wouldn't

47:14it have so much longevity? Why wouldn't

47:15you be able to hold them there forever?

47:17>> There is longevity. And I think I think

47:19you're misunderstanding

47:20what we did with Camila was very the her

47:23making a million dollars a month on only

47:25Only Fans was the easy part, but her

47:27having 30 million subs on YouTube, 10

47:29million followers on Tik Tok, these

47:31things led her to a bigger audience that

47:33is in some cases genuinely not possible

47:35for other people. Like I could put the

47:38same amount of energy into another

47:40person's career and you like we are now

47:43and I could make somebody else a million

47:44dollars like on Only Fans or through

47:46Snapchat or through you know I could get

47:49them a million followers on Instagram.

47:50with what happened with her. She has

47:52something about her personality and I

47:54think there is a little bit of a chosen

47:56one aspect to it of like people fell in

47:58love with her just for who she is online

48:00and these opportunities came to us that

48:02were larger than the Only Fans industry

48:05but not larger monetarily even. You

48:07know, nobody's offering us. They're not

48:09saying, "Oh, let me give you $2 million

48:11a month to quit." It's, oh, if you

48:12didn't have Only Fans, maybe you could

48:14be in this room and maybe you could use

48:16that to meet this producer and be on the

48:18show and be, you know, a true A-list

48:20celebrity. So, that's a risk that we're

48:21taking with her. I don't think I could

48:23do that with the other people I manage.

48:24And I'm truthful to them about that. And

48:26they don't want that. They just want a

48:27bunch of money.

48:28>> So, it's more of a from a longevity

48:30standpoint, you can stay there, but in

48:32terms of if you want to do larger than

48:34life things like bigger stuff, like from

48:36a moral compass, you have to let that

48:37go.

48:38>> Yes. If you want to be an actor, if you

48:39want to be a do doctor, don't [ __ ] do

48:41Only Fans. Like, don't don't be greedy.

48:43Don't you have to see it through. Like,

48:45what you want to do, you have to see it

48:46through. So, if you're in school for

48:48something and you think, "Oh, I can

48:50maybe I can maybe leave early and make

48:51more money if I just did Only Fans,"

48:53don't [ __ ] do it. I would tell you

48:54not to do it. But if your goal is like,

48:55"Let me be I want to be famous on social

48:57media, but I'm not making money." I'd be

48:59like, "Yeah, probably [ __ ] do Only

49:00Fans cuz, you know, you'll you'll be

49:01able to fund your passions. You'll be

49:02able to do social media, live on your

49:04own, live a good life, and yes, have

49:06longevity." I mean, I've only been in

49:07the industry for three and a half years,

49:09but I know people who have been in the

49:11industry as a creator for se seven or

49:13eight years. That's basically the max.

49:14And they've, you know, been doing six

49:16figures to, if not seven figures a year

49:18for seven years now. If you make a

49:20million dollars plus a year for seven

49:21years, if you're not financially

49:23responsible, you should be set up for

49:24the greater part of your life.

49:26>> In question, in terms of that, would you

49:28agree then then from a morality

49:30standpoint, there's something wrong with

49:31with it in general?

49:32>> No. I actually made a video about this

49:34yesterday. I was like, from a standpoint

49:37of basic human living,

49:39>> Mhm.

49:40>> I don't actually see a problem with like

49:44somebody paying 10 bucks to see a

49:46picture of a girl naked. I like people

49:47use this term selling your body. I have

49:49I think there's something wrong with

49:51prostitution.

49:52>> And you don't think that's prostitution?

49:53>> I don't. And I'll open this argument

49:55because I people love to say

49:58>> that what we do is prostitution,

50:00pimping, this or that. This is there's

50:01many levels to this. So, I mean, I think

50:02it's a little

50:04sad to like pay for like sex with

50:07somebody where they're actually touching

50:09you and you could be hurt or taken

50:10advantage of. Like that's terrifying. I

50:12would never facilitate that environment.

50:14But taking a picture that the girl's

50:17chilling in her, you know, the, you

50:18know, 50th floor of the SLS Lux on her

50:21iPhone 17 Pro Max, she's safe,

50:24>> but it's not prostitution.

50:25>> No, I think prostitution is paying for

50:27sex. I mean, somebody can pull up a

50:29definition, but like that's what I know

50:30of a hooker or of a prostitute to be is

50:33somebody who you pay money for sex.

50:34>> No, it's it's sexual favors in turn for

50:38money.

50:39>> If that's the textbook definition, is it

50:41sexual favors in real life?

50:44>> But sexual sexual favor is a sexual

50:46favor. If someone sends you a picture

50:47and they use it for whatever, then

50:48that's whatever it is.

50:49>> Yeah. The picture is just a picture, but

50:51the sexual

50:52>> the same concept that women don't like

50:53to understand, but they they complain

50:55that like, "Oh, men don't want to die

50:56me. They don't do this and that's why

50:57they don't give a [ __ ] But if they go

50:59somewhere and they only do certain

51:01things so that they can go out to eat

51:03and do all this, that's prostitution,

51:05too. They're doing exchange.

51:06>> I agree. I think I think girls who were,

51:08you know, letting a guy hit for for a

51:10dinner at Coat, I think you're a hooker.

51:13>> Oh my. [laughter]

51:15>> But I don't think taking a picture girl

51:17could take a picture if she's c she can

51:19stop at her exact comfortability level.

51:21She can set her exact pricing of what

51:24she thinks that to be. Oh, that's fine.

51:25Regardless, at the end, that's that's

51:27prostitution, though. At the end of the

51:28day,

51:28>> bring up the textbook definition of

51:30prostitution.

51:31>> Read it. Produce.

51:32>> Prostitution is the act or practice of

51:35engaging in sexual activity, including

51:38sexual intercourse or contact in

51:41exchange for money, goods, or other

51:43valuable considerations. Lo,

51:46>> that that sounds like what the [ __ ] that

51:48>> the same [ __ ] [laughter]

51:52>> they do with the photos,

51:53>> dude. They stared like, "Wow, this is a

51:54nice

51:55>> I knew he had something to say. He was

51:57dead in

51:58>> Hey, if if the girl's providing it and

52:00says, "Hey, go do your thing to this."

52:02And that follows that that guideline,

52:04>> why else would they buy it?

52:05>> Regardless of the the specific

52:08terminology, it's very obvious that it's

52:10not the same thing like that that

52:12everyone can agree on. A sending a

52:14picture is not the same thing as a guy

52:16literally being able to touch you. And

52:17it's clearly not the same thing. So

52:19that's why

52:20>> I think we'll agree to disagree on this

52:21one, bud. Fair play. [applause]

52:28>> Yeah, let's do it.

52:29>> Hi.

52:29>> Okay. Hi.

52:30>> What's your name?

52:31>> My name is Tara. Um, I do real estate

52:33and insurance sales. So, I guess what I

52:35want to ask you is, do you feel like

52:38you're actually empowering these women

52:39or do you kind of feel like you're just

52:41profiting off of their vulnerable

52:43vulnerability?

52:44I think I'm empowering women because I

52:48like to be a part of the business that

52:50helps them grow from that side. I don't

52:52like to be somebody who, like I

52:55mentioned before, I don't want to

52:56encourage them to start something

52:57they're not, you know,

52:59>> comfortable doing or they don't fully

53:00know the repercussions of. I think,

53:02don't get me wrong, within this

53:04industry, yeah,

53:05>> there's a lot of people who are taking

53:07advantage of vulnerable women in social

53:09media in general. I think people go to

53:12clubs, they film girls when they're

53:13drunk, they film girls that are too

53:15young, they use people because they gain

53:18clout or money, whatever. But for me

53:20specifically and now through the, you

53:23know, following that I have of people

53:24who are in the industry, I preach very

53:28good things about, you know, how to

53:29treat people and I've had good

53:31experiences with girls in the industry.

53:33>> Okay. And I just want to know like what

53:34made you specifically want to like get

53:37into an industry like that? I was

53:39already in social media and the truth of

53:41why I got into only fans management as

53:43like a subniche of what I was already

53:45doing is money.

53:47>> Okay.

53:48>> I I like I was talking to somebody else.

53:51They asked basically why like I was

53:53doing the same content bar for bar. I

53:55used to do videos on YouTube. I used to

53:57do very short challenge videos with

53:59girls because I realized when I added a

54:00girl to my video Yeah. it would get more

54:02views because people like to see the

54:04dynamic between a guy and a girl maybe

54:05flirting, joking and making joke like

54:07you know relationship type jokes back

54:09and forth and people were doing the same

54:11videos but then the girl had an only

54:13fans and they were making more money

54:14than me so I was like I'm already doing

54:16this.

54:17>> I mean I guess yeah I see your point on

54:19that but um I want to know like do you

54:21do you feel like getting into this

54:23business kind of makes you see woman now

54:25as like a business opportunity?

54:27Unfortunately, I think I have caught,

54:30you know, that side of there's a blurred

54:33line now when I see a say a profile on

54:36social media for example. I'm thinking

54:38about it

54:38>> from in my perspective more of like a

54:41nerd standpoint. I'm like I'm like, "Oh,

54:43she has this many followers. She could,

54:44you know, make this amount of money."

54:45And it's like, if that's the only way

54:47that you, you know, move with these

54:50relationships, it definitely can cause

54:52like an inauthentic business

54:54relationship. And it could cause kind of

54:56like a skewed perception on how you view

54:58other people.

54:59>> Totally

55:00>> question. I'm so sorry to interrupt.

55:02They There's actually recruiters out

55:05there. There's like girls which it

55:07happens to me. It's like girls, right,

55:09that they already do it and they try to

55:12like recruit you and tell you, oh yeah,

55:15like I have a manager and like I make so

55:17much money and this and that. Is that

55:19like you tell the girls that you managed

55:21to

55:22>> not? We reach out to girls who already

55:25do Only Fans on social media.

55:28>> No, I know what you're talking about.

55:29You're talking about going to [ __ ]

55:31Swag

55:32>> and there's And yeah, that I don't do

55:36that. But yeah, that's for example, they

55:39>> digital pimp. I ain't going to laugh.

55:42>> They are digital.

55:43>> HEY, the the business is right. like the

55:50I when you put it that way, I guess

55:51we're defending ourselves here, not the

55:53other, not the rest of us.

55:54>> Okay. But as

55:55>> you mentioned something about like feel

55:57like, you know, there's non-authentic

55:58relationships now.

55:59>> Yeah, I was going to say like,

56:01>> yeah, I'll I'll look at a profile and

56:03I'll be like, oh, I bet she makes X

56:05amount of money based on how many views

56:06she gets, how many likes she gets, how

56:08she looks potentially. And I think that

56:11alone is not the healthiest thing to

56:13look at people. But when we get into

56:18multiple hourong phone calls, we first

56:20and foremost make sure it's a good

56:22personality fit

56:23>> and like we actually get to see people

56:25for who they are. And we've also

56:27realized there's a direct connotation

56:29between I don't know if the camera

56:30picked it up. What she was saying to the

56:32side was that people will send girls out

56:35into a club and say, "Oh, that girl's

56:36pretty. Let's get her to come do Only

56:38Fans cuz she's going to make a bunch of

56:39money." Yeah,

56:40>> I think that's [ __ ] up because that

56:41girl doesn't know the full scope of the

56:43business she's getting into. That girl

56:45is being led in, you know, to who knows

56:47what. Maybe this girl who's going to

56:49recruit her is being paid money and then

56:51that's it's all inauthentic. But

56:53>> from our perspective of going into it,

56:55like

56:56>> we've worked with people that are

56:58friends of a friend, whatever, that may

57:00have just been like, "Oh, I'm a hot

57:02girl. I think I can make a bunch of

57:03money." And we we hate her. She she

57:06[laughter] she's like rude and and and

57:08like doesn't work hard. and we were a

57:10very bad fit business-wise and and and

57:11the relationship completely fell out.

57:13And then we've had other situations

57:15where we got to know somebody and we

57:17were like, "Yo, this person is really

57:19[ __ ] smart. I think they could

57:20actually grow longterm. I think they

57:22would be a good spokesperson for us and

57:24our company because it's not just some

57:26girl being like, "Oh my god, they're so

57:28they made me rich." It's like they

57:29actually grew my page through strategic

57:31account management and social media, you

57:33know, like I want somebody who talks

57:34like that. So, we do prioritize real

57:37relationships, but I would be lying if I

57:39said sometimes I didn't judge people,

57:42especially on their social media

57:43profiles on a surface level.

57:45>> Okay. And then I guess like in the

57:47beginning, like your relationship with

57:48your girlfriend now, do you think it was

57:50kind of a move to also help your

57:52business more like getting into that

57:54relationship

57:54>> with her? No, cuz that wasn't my

57:56business. Like I wasn't in management.

57:58She had another manager. Yeah. But the

58:02relationship happened as we were, you

58:04know, having a friendship and having a

58:06business rel like we were making videos

58:08together cuz like I said, I was doing

58:10YouTube. I was doing videos with I was

58:12doing videos with a bunch of Only Fans

58:13girls because they were the ones who

58:14wanted to make content.

58:15>> So that's how I started filming with

58:17her. We realized we had a good fit. But

58:19I also don't think it was a bad thing

58:21that we started doing business together

58:23because it allowed us to get really deep

58:25really fast and really hard really fast.

58:28like, "Whoa, that was [ __ ] crazy to

58:30say." [laughter]

58:33>> Pause. Pause. Hard conversations. Really

58:36hard conversations really fast because

58:38we were like, she was like, "I had to I

58:39have to move. I have to make money. I

58:40have to, you know, pay my mom or

58:42whatever." And we found out the type of

58:45people we are. We found out that we

58:46worked well together and that helped us

58:48find out that we were going to have a

58:50good relationship going forward. So

58:52there was there was mix of business and

58:54friendship and everything that everyone

58:55says not to do and it was a big risk but

58:58>> it worked out in the end but it

59:00definitely was not you know

59:02>> the relationship was not to make more

59:04money but we were already making money

59:05together

59:07>> technically as we were friends. So

59:08>> and then do you think this business is

59:10something that's going to last long term

59:12or do you think it's more of just like a

59:14trend right now?

59:15>> Do you see this as like a longterm

59:17thing? I think this is at minimum like a

59:1915-year okay

59:20>> business opportunity. I think there are

59:23some things that are going to change.

59:25For example, a lot of social media

59:26platforms are making their guidelines

59:28more and more strict about promoting

59:30this type of content which essentially

59:32is making our job harder and

59:34>> changing it essentially pushing it. You

59:37know, they're trying to get get rid of

59:38it to some extent. There's some people

59:40who think this career should be illegal.

59:43There's some state states and countries

59:45that are banning the actual website of

59:46Only Fans, things like that happening.

59:48So, I can't say it's going to last

59:49forever. The industry of, you know,

59:51paying for sexual content or paying to

59:54have a relationship with somebody, I

59:56think we'll be around forever, but in

59:58terms of the exact way we're doing it,

59:59like social media influencer has an Only

1:00:01Fans profile, makes money that way, I

1:00:03think it's going to last for at least,

1:00:04you know, 15 years.

1:00:06>> Okay. All right. Yeah, that's basically

1:00:07what I wanted to ask.

1:00:09>> All right. Thank you.

1:00:11>> All right. All right, let's get the next

1:00:12topic going.

1:00:13>> Josh, let me see.

1:00:14>> My next topic is we just sit online

1:00:17texting guys all day.

1:00:19>> All right, man. Well,

1:00:20>> all right.

1:00:21>> Nice to meet you.

1:00:21>> What's your name?

1:00:22>> Joshua.

1:00:23>> All right. I'm Owen. What do you do for

1:00:24a living?

1:00:25>> Well, transportation, basically.

1:00:26>> What does that entail?

1:00:27>> Uh, like CDL trucks.

1:00:28>> Okay.

1:00:29>> Yeah. So,

1:00:29>> 18 wheelers and [ __ ]

1:00:31>> Exactly.

1:00:31>> Moving packs.

1:00:32>> Nah, I don't accumulate myself online.

1:00:35Yeah. I mean,

1:00:36>> of course.

1:00:36>> I plead the fifth.

1:00:37>> Of course. Well, so what do you think

1:00:40about my job? You think I'm just sitting

1:00:41online all day texting dudes or what?

1:00:44>> Uh, I mean, yeah, to be honest. What

1:00:46else do you make money off of? Like, how

1:00:48else do you make your bread? You You got

1:00:49to finesse people. You got to finesse

1:00:50the [ __ ]

1:00:51>> I mean, the truth is

1:00:52>> you got to get into the [ __ ] pockets.

1:00:54You know,

1:00:55>> the truth is there's no hypothetical,

1:00:59you know, those those people to get into

1:01:01their pockets. Those pe they're not

1:01:03there without marketing, right?

1:01:06>> So, standing the [ __ ]

1:01:08>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:01:08>> Okay. Okay. No, [snorts] I just want to

1:01:09make sure you're not confused.

1:01:10>> Get into their pockets without them

1:01:12being there. So, the side of the

1:01:13business that we specialize in is doing

1:01:15the social media marketing because girls

1:01:18have tried to post, you know, inside of

1:01:20the platform and grow. They they try to,

1:01:22you know, they put signs out on the

1:01:24street, their QR codes on on the

1:01:26sidewalk, but they can't get as many

1:01:28subscribers as a true social media

1:01:30influencer can. So, we build girls into

1:01:32influencers, and then they get a [ __ ]

1:01:34ton of subscribers. And we have a system

1:01:36that runs in the back end of people who

1:01:39are you know responding to messages for

1:01:41the girl which is you know displayed in

1:01:43the terms of service. Sometimes if there

1:01:44is somebody responding sometimes it's

1:01:46the girl themselves and there's just a

1:01:48system of scheduling when certain posts

1:01:50go out or you know telling the girl when

1:01:53to post and what to send.

1:01:55>> No cuz you be chatting right?

1:01:58>> You're talking about like on only fans

1:01:59chatting.

1:01:59>> Yeah. You be you be chatting.

1:02:01>> Not myself. That's what I'm saying.

1:02:02There's

1:02:03>> you got [ __ ] behind the computer.

1:02:04There's employees for that. Yeah.

1:02:05>> Okay. Cool. Cool. So you but you got

1:02:07like your systems in place and then you

1:02:08know when whenever you see a [ __ ] that

1:02:10hey you know you know you ming down with

1:02:12my girl so you know I got to get some

1:02:14bread out of you. You got the system in

1:02:15place for that to to get the money.

1:02:16>> Yeah. People are tiered into based on

1:02:18their spending habits.

1:02:19>> What's the most you got out of a [ __ ]

1:02:20>> Well you had somebody spend $168,000

1:02:23on one account.

1:02:25>> Wait one transaction

1:02:26>> you said.

1:02:26>> No. No. On one girl.

1:02:28>> So that one

1:02:29>> over the span of like four to five

1:02:30months. Oh, so she got like 40 racks a

1:02:32month or something like that.

1:02:34>> The girl. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The guy spent

1:02:36like 40 50k a month for three months.

1:02:38>> So she got 40k off of one [ __ ] and you

1:02:40got like probably like 10 [ __ ]

1:02:42chatting on you.

1:02:43>> 10 bro on one girl,

1:02:45>> bro. They have 7,000 8,000 subscribers.

1:02:48>> Oh [ __ ]

1:02:49>> Paid subscribers.

1:02:51>> So they paying a chat to a girl.

1:02:53>> They're paying like $4 a month and then

1:02:55they pay extra to see certain content.

1:02:56>> So let me ask you a question. Was that

1:02:59dude black or white?

1:03:00>> I mean, we have subscribers of all

1:03:02races,

1:03:02>> but he was probably black.

1:03:04>> I don't know.

1:03:04>> N he was white.

1:03:05>> His name was Scott.

1:03:06>> He was white.

1:03:07>> So, I think I would guess he's white.

1:03:09>> Yeah. There's no black Scots.

1:03:11>> Yeah.

1:03:13>> Travis.

1:03:15>> But that's his name. That's not his real

1:03:16name. Come on, bro. You got to You got

1:03:17to really think before

1:03:18>> His name His name is Jockey.

1:03:20>> Yeah, man. He got a black ass name.

1:03:22That's not Travis. The The guys that

1:03:24you're chatting with, right, when you're

1:03:25chatting with them, how long is

1:03:27>> No. Oh yeah. So I know your system your

1:03:29system. How long does it take for the

1:03:31system to be taking money out of the

1:03:33dude? Cuz it got to be like you I know

1:03:35you got it down to the statistics. Y it

1:03:36take me 5 minutes to get 5,000 off this

1:03:38[ __ ] Now I got 5,000 every 5 minutes

1:03:40or something.

1:03:40>> There's different strategies. Sometimes

1:03:42they'll keep the relationship going for

1:03:43a day without even trying to get them to

1:03:46spend any money because they're just

1:03:47building a relationship. Sometimes

1:03:49people actually have fetishes of

1:03:50spending money. So a guy will come in

1:03:52and say, "Hey, I want I want to just

1:03:54blow money on you. I want that. I love

1:03:56that [ __ ]

1:03:57>> That's a shame. It's a shame.

1:03:58>> Yeah, I I don't personally do that. I

1:04:00like to keep my bag for myself, you

1:04:02know.

1:04:02>> Bro, come on. I know you sent a couple

1:04:04panties in the mail or some [ __ ]

1:04:06>> I sent them.

1:04:07>> Oh, somebody one of your men.

1:04:09>> No, no, no. We don't do

1:04:10>> One of your men has done that before.

1:04:11>> No physical. There's no need.

1:04:13>> Somebody done that [ __ ] bro.

1:04:14>> No, there's no need to sell. People do.

1:04:16Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] Maybe Cole did

1:04:18it. Maybe Cole did

1:04:20>> Cole's Cole does the post office runs

1:04:22for

1:04:22>> Okay, fair. Fair.

1:04:23>> I go to FedEx.

1:04:24>> Yeah. Ah [ __ ]

1:04:26>> Better shipping risk.

1:04:27>> That's some big ass panties if you go to

1:04:28FedEx, [ __ ]

1:04:29>> Some big ass panties.

1:04:30>> USPS won't even take that [ __ ]

1:04:32>> So So you be sending panties. You

1:04:34probably be sending bras.

1:04:35>> People do that.

1:04:37>> No. Don't you feel that's kind of maybe,

1:04:39you know, degrading to the girl and

1:04:41maybe degrading to the dude. Maybe you a

1:04:43damn. I'm taking this girl's panties.

1:04:45>> Personally, we we don't even do that.

1:04:46That's not even something we do. These

1:04:48girl the girls that I work with are I

1:04:49mean these girls are influencers, bro.

1:04:50They're not worrying their time about

1:04:52$10 selling their [ __ ] underwear to

1:04:53somebody. They're they're out here, you

1:04:55know, just making content. Like they're

1:04:56these are highle individuals.

1:04:59>> So I don't

1:04:59>> So like,

1:05:01>> do you have like PTO or like is it just

1:05:04post time off?

1:05:06>> PTO like paid time off.

1:05:08>> So you g

1:05:10>> for me?

1:05:11>> So the nigga's money ain't enough and

1:05:12you giving p Oh my

1:05:13>> I don't take time off. I would still get

1:05:15paid cuz we have a system. We make money

1:05:17every day. I'm making money right now.

1:05:19All my time is paid.

1:05:20>> What's a LAR? It's like pretending to be

1:05:23somebody you're not, right?

1:05:26>> Yeah. It's like It's like pretending to

1:05:27be rich when you're not.

1:05:28>> That [ __ ] sounded like a dildo. Oh, you

1:05:30got to LAR.

1:05:31>> I'm laring right now,

1:05:32>> but I'm not actually.

1:05:33>> No, you was dabbing on the

1:05:35>> I I was showing the the camera the

1:05:37>> I was just about to say you just dabbed

1:05:38on me, man. That's Damn,

1:05:41that [ __ ] is sick.

1:05:43>> Let's say you are chatting with these,

1:05:45you know, random [ __ ] online, right?

1:05:47>> Respectable men, gentlemen. Yeah,

1:05:49>> customers respect

1:05:51>> [ __ ] man. So,

1:05:54>> yeah,

1:05:55>> I respect I respect that. You know,

1:05:57you're chatting on them and whatnot, you

1:05:58know, and and do you feel like somewhat

1:06:00kind of bad for them that like, you

1:06:02know, they actually, you know, think

1:06:03that they're talking to this dime. I'm

1:06:05pretty sure they're like I hope they're

1:06:07smart enough to be like, you know what,

1:06:08I know I'm just giving my bread to some

1:06:09cheese, you know, and I'm trying to

1:06:11>> I think I think for the most part

1:06:12they're, you know, they're purchasing

1:06:14content of of a girl. Some people are

1:06:16transparent in in the bio of the account

1:06:20on whether on whether they're talking to

1:06:22the girl or not. But I think when it's

1:06:23in our case when we build these girls up

1:06:25to where they're like they they like

1:06:27idolize the girl and like oh my god this

1:06:28is that famous girl. It's crazy that she

1:06:29sells that type of content. They're more

1:06:31so interested in the content and there's

1:06:33a like we have actual statistics to back

1:06:34it up. We have a very low rate of people

1:06:36who unsubscribe. Like we have, you know,

1:06:38over 50% of the subscribers that are

1:06:40paying the money to stay there are

1:06:42renewing that subscription month after

1:06:44month. they're spending more money and

1:06:46they're happy with the experience. So, I

1:06:47don't personally feel bad for anybody.

1:06:49And there's there's, you know, you're

1:06:50allowed to you're allowed to charge back

1:06:52if you know the accounts get chargebacks

1:06:55like refunds basically if they feel like

1:06:56they've been scammed or if they feel

1:06:58like they were misled about something

1:07:00they purchased, which is a big issue

1:07:01that people say that we're scamming

1:07:03because some girls that we manage don't

1:07:04do porn or don't do nudes or don't do

1:07:06this or that. But that's where I come in

1:07:08and say you're being a weirdo cuz that's

1:07:09just where the girl set her line of

1:07:11comfortability. If you're paying to see

1:07:12content from her, you get what you get.

1:07:13you don't get upset. You know what I'm

1:07:15saying? Like she set that boundary. If

1:07:16they feel like they were lied to, they

1:07:18can charge back and and and that money

1:07:20gets taken out of our our balance so we

1:07:22don't get that money. It goes right back

1:07:23to them.

1:07:23>> You know, when it comes to like talking

1:07:24to the guys and all that stuff, right?

1:07:26By any chance, like do you ever like

1:07:28come into one of these guys that be

1:07:29like, "You know what? I know I'm getting

1:07:31finesse and but I see this as like an

1:07:33opportunity. I'm trying to hop on." Then

1:07:35you like, you know, you sell them a

1:07:36course through that [ __ ] real quick and

1:07:37now you making double bread. We've never

1:07:39actually sold a course to an Only Fans

1:07:42subscriber,

1:07:43>> but I might try that now.

1:07:47>> We do have an Only Fans management.

1:07:49>> I need royalties. I need fees. I need,

1:07:51you know, my commissions for like, you

1:07:52know, the idea and all that and at least

1:07:54like a percentage and

1:07:54>> we'll work it out with my my manager.

1:07:56>> Yeah, please. Cuz you know, I got more

1:07:58ideas. You know, just

1:08:01you know what I'm saying?

1:08:03>> Yeah. But

1:08:05>> he's trying to make it out the USPS. If

1:08:07the money aligns, I'll think about it.

1:08:09>> If you're interested, you can go to main

1:08:10character.com. We do have a course on

1:08:12only fans management, how to do it

1:08:13morally, respectfully, and how to

1:08:15maximize profit. So,

1:08:16>> interesting.

1:08:16>> I hope to see you there.

1:08:18>> You know what? That was a beautiful CTA.

1:08:22>> It's a pretty good old man.

1:08:23>> Let's get it. Welcome back in. So,

1:08:26>> what did you do for work again? I

1:08:28forgot.

1:08:28>> Um, I work uh I do online. I'm working

1:08:31with like different brands and stuff

1:08:33like that.

1:08:34>> Oh, scaling.

1:08:34>> Yeah. No, not scaling. Just like

1:08:36rorowass.

1:08:36>> No, I work for um Jurgen and Jurgens.

1:08:39>> Jurg and Jurgen.

1:08:40>> Yeah,

1:08:40>> same.

1:08:40>> Yeah. Yeah.

1:08:42>> Oh, there other brands like that. Yeah.

1:08:44Like lotion company, skincare company.

1:08:46>> Oh, Jurgen and J.

1:08:47>> Yeah. He asked earlier. He was like,

1:08:49"So, what's the point of these guys

1:08:50paying if they're even talking to you

1:08:51guys?" You know, they're talking to some

1:08:52guy in Cambodia just texting off his

1:08:54Wi-Fi in his house. Oh, sometimes it's

1:08:56like Philippines, Serbia, uh, Middle

1:08:59Eastern countries, maybe the US, maybe

1:09:01the UK, anywhere with uh, with cheap

1:09:04labor or high paid labor. Honestly, our

1:09:06people are paid very well. We have we

1:09:07have chatters that make 30, 40 grand a

1:09:08month.

1:09:08>> So, does it feel disingenuine though

1:09:10like the guy doesn't know he's talking

1:09:11to them or do you think they know and

1:09:12they don't care?

1:09:13>> Honestly, I think it it's no secret

1:09:15nowadays that like chatting is a thing.

1:09:16Like, we openly make content on social

1:09:18media saying that, you know, chatting is

1:09:20a thing. Girls at this point have come

1:09:22out after quitting Only Fans and been

1:09:23like, "You weren't even talking to me.

1:09:25you were talking to a chatter trying to

1:09:26like be like I got them. But at the end

1:09:28of the day, a lot of these guys don't

1:09:30care to be honest. Like they just want

1:09:31the fantasy. Like bro, there are guys

1:09:33spending money on AI girls that they

1:09:35know are AI. There's people purchasing

1:09:37softwares to chat with an AI

1:09:39>> that sex them and makes an AI girl. That

1:09:41is completely fake. At least this has a

1:09:43real girl tied to it that they can use

1:09:46in their imagination and just just

1:09:48assume. Yeah. A little point of

1:09:49reference just to assume like, oh my

1:09:51god, I'm talking to this celebrity. And

1:09:54don't get me wrong, there are some girls

1:09:55on the platforms that do chat on their

1:09:57own. But um even the girls that do a lot

1:10:00and like chat themselves, they have like

1:10:02friends or something like that who who

1:10:03chats for them. So

1:10:06>> I really don't know of many people who

1:10:08actually sit down and chat.

1:10:09>> But is there any part of you that like

1:10:11sits and really thinks about it

1:10:12sometimes? Like do you feel anything

1:10:14like you don't care? Is it like damn am

1:10:16I really like enabling these men who are

1:10:18lonely? Most of these guys that are

1:10:19doing it just can't go talk to women.

1:10:20Like they struggle with that.

1:10:22That's the thing. Like this as time goes

1:10:23on in the world, like men as a whole are

1:10:25getting like worse and worse. Like the

1:10:27the gap in between like being just like

1:10:29a normal guy who can like talk to girls

1:10:31and like the majority of the world. It's

1:10:33like honestly a bit sad. People are

1:10:35going to do it regardless. Literally,

1:10:36people are finding a way to not even

1:10:38communicate with a real girl and just

1:10:39making artificial girls to fill that

1:10:41void. So, it's like I don't even

1:10:43necessarily feel bad cuz it's just like

1:10:44something that's already happening. And

1:10:46also,

1:10:47>> yeah, someone's going to do it so I

1:10:48might as well do it.

1:10:49>> Yeah, pretty much. I mean, that's kind

1:10:50of what it is. And also, like I said,

1:10:52I'm kind of detached from that side of

1:10:54the business. I focus mainly on the

1:10:56social media. Like, I'm not overseeing

1:10:58chats or like watching the

1:10:59conversations. We have a whole team

1:11:01>> that's entire their entire job and that

1:11:03they're paid very very well to do all

1:11:04that stuff so that we can have the time

1:11:06to focus on what actually like moves the

1:11:08needle in the in the business.

1:11:09>> So, what's what's next for you? Like

1:11:10besides, you know, Only Fans, you know,

1:11:12what's something else you're passionate

1:11:14about? Like you feel like you

1:11:14>> honestly recently AI. I think it's so

1:11:17freaking cool. There's so much you can

1:11:19do with it with and without only fans.

1:11:21Like I'm literally just making random

1:11:23applications and websites for for fun

1:11:25that I never thought I'd be capable of

1:11:27doing and now can literally just tell it

1:11:28to do and it does. Um I think that's

1:11:31super interesting. Obviously I I always

1:11:32love content creation. I want to be a

1:11:34creator in some way, shape, or form.

1:11:36Doesn't have to be Only Fans. And then

1:11:38even just like I don't know, I want to

1:11:39invest. I want to learn more about

1:11:40cryptocurrencies, real estate. I already

1:11:42like do a lot of investing and obviously

1:11:45I still need to increase my assets. So,

1:11:47I'm not like ready to retire over here.

1:11:49Yeah, that's [clears throat] I mean

1:11:49that's stuff that I want to move into in

1:11:50the future.

1:11:51>> All right. Now, now that car right there

1:11:53behind me that car right there.

1:11:54>> Yeah. Lamborghini Huracan Evo.

1:11:56>> Relax.

1:11:56>> War center kit.

1:11:58>> Relax. We know. I know.

1:12:00>> You think that's something someone can

1:12:01genuinely attain? You know, say they

1:12:02wanted to endeavor in other like things

1:12:05online through social media. Not

1:12:06>> everyone has a Huracan nowadays. If you

1:12:08don't have a Huracan, what are you even

1:12:09doing?

1:12:10>> So, what would your game plan be talking

1:12:11to that person that doesn't want to do

1:12:12Only Fans, but they want to attain the

1:12:14lifestyle you have and through social

1:12:16media? utilize AI, utilize social media,

1:12:18be consistent. And literally our advice

1:12:20that we give to people in social media

1:12:22management for Only Fans would be the

1:12:24exact same advice that I would give

1:12:25somebody outside of Only Fans. Social

1:12:27media is not that hard. You follow what

1:12:29works. You post four to five times a

1:12:31day. You be consistent. You never miss a

1:12:32single [ __ ] day. And when something

1:12:34works, you do it again and again and

1:12:35again until you have a following.

1:12:37There's a guy out there wants and needs

1:12:38brand. I don't know if you've seen him.

1:12:40He like takes a viral video and then has

1:12:42their like brand like come into the

1:12:44video somehow where the clothes and he

1:12:47says psyche and it switches to their

1:12:49clothes.

1:12:50>> He's a genius. Like he's great. Like he

1:12:52and he posts consistently. He has a

1:12:54format that works well for him and he

1:12:55repeats it and I'm sure he makes a [ __ ]

1:12:57ton of money. He could probably have a

1:12:58Huracan too. Huracan's you getting a

1:13:00Lambo is not that hard to be honest. You

1:13:02need 100 grand and and five grand a

1:13:03month. Four grand a month.

1:13:04>> And you saying that I genuinely like

1:13:06believe that you really think it's easy.

1:13:08So

1:13:08>> yeah, I do. Do you think that's a

1:13:09mindset that you always had or is that

1:13:11something

1:13:11>> without only fans I could get another

1:13:12Lamborghini if I had to?

1:13:13>> You think that's a mindset you always

1:13:14had or you developed that?

1:13:15>> Not really. I mean I didn't when I was a

1:13:17kid I didn't know like I didn't think oh

1:13:19my god I would I'm going to have a Lambo

1:13:21when I'm 22. When I was 19 and I got an

1:13:23M4 Comp. I was like well that was my

1:13:24dream car and now I got to dream bigger.

1:13:26So I'm like all right I'm going to get a

1:13:27Lambo. And then you realize it's like

1:13:29once you have the car that the car

1:13:31doesn't really mean [ __ ] It's just like

1:13:32the car kind of distracts you in your

1:13:34brain. Like I saw like the Lambo as like

1:13:36something I was like I want this so bad

1:13:37and then you get it and you're just like

1:13:39you scratch the itch and you don't even

1:13:40care and you just like you focus on

1:13:42other things now. So it's like once you

1:13:43get it out of your system, you get out

1:13:44of your system and that's like why so

1:13:46many young kids get that car cuz also in

1:13:48the process of getting this car,

1:13:49>> I've learned so many skills. I've made a

1:13:52lot of money. I am very financially

1:13:54ahead for my age and um I just know a

1:13:57lot of different skills about different

1:13:59things. And then I think my last

1:14:00question would be since we're just

1:14:02talking about it, like do you feel like

1:14:04it's kind of a blessing and a curse, you

1:14:05know, just reaching a certain level of

1:14:07success so young cuz now you feel that?

1:14:10>> Yeah, I do have a pressure all these

1:14:12assets and you're like, "Okay, I have

1:14:13this I have this car, but I'm still not

1:14:15like happy."

1:14:16>> Well, no. I I would say I'm happy to be

1:14:17honest. Like I I do feel happiness. Like

1:14:20it's not like I'm like saying I'm empty

1:14:21inside with all this. No, that's not

1:14:23that's not true at all. It's um when you

1:14:25like make a lot of money,

1:14:27>> you can't really go back. Like once you

1:14:29once you have a lifestyle for yourself

1:14:31that you've set you you never want to go

1:14:33below it like right if I have a have a

1:14:35nice car why would I want to drive a not

1:14:37nice car and uh yeah that that's pretty

1:14:40much what it is. It's just I like it

1:14:42though because it creates like a

1:14:43pressure that I like to have pressure on

1:14:46myself. I don't want to be comfortable.

1:14:47I would don't want to be spending 3K a

1:14:50month in bills making 10K and just

1:14:52calling it a day and being like oh I'm

1:14:54good. I'm set. I have a cushion. Like

1:14:56that's not there's no thrill to that to

1:14:58me. I make a lot of money. I spend a

1:14:59lot, but I make even more. So,

1:15:01>> and then as far as like with everything

1:15:03with AI, are you preparing for that

1:15:04transition? Because you think there's

1:15:06more models after that be AI models

1:15:07everywhere?

1:15:08>> No, I don't think so. We personally like

1:15:10we use AI combined with real girls that

1:15:13we think that's where the actual like

1:15:14leverage is cuz you're going to have

1:15:16you're going to have a ceiling with an

1:15:17AI girl. You can't really make them like

1:15:19a famous celebrity at the end of the

1:15:20day. And people do, but it's never going

1:15:22to hit the same. Like they can't be

1:15:23walking a red carpet if they're AI, you

1:15:25know what I mean? Um, so with a real

1:15:27girl, you actually have a real

1:15:28personality tied to that that you can

1:15:29then just amplify the output of content

1:15:31with AI and uh generate content that the

1:15:34girl doesn't even have to be there to

1:15:35do. And obviously if they're okay with

1:15:36it and it's down, it's like, yeah, [ __ ]

1:15:38it. Less work, le

1:15:41uh just makes the process easier. And

1:15:42then in terms of everything else, it's

1:15:44like if you're not using AI in a in a

1:15:45business, you're going to get left

1:15:46behind. There's so much [ __ ] coming out

1:15:48every day. Everything evolves. The

1:15:50second you think you know something,

1:15:51something else is out. And uh it just

1:15:53it's moving at a pace that's so

1:15:54unbelievably rapid. So

1:15:56>> yeah, it's getting it's getting stuff.

1:15:57And I'm gonna end on this last point.

1:15:58You know, like you're talking about how

1:16:00>> right now men are like struggling with a

1:16:02lot, right? Because there's a lot of you

1:16:03know, like you said,

1:16:04>> testosterone declines a lot every

1:16:06>> there's there's a saying there's there's

1:16:07a saying, hard times create strong men.

1:16:10Strong make good men make good times.

1:16:12Good times make weak men. And I think

1:16:13we're in between good times and weak men

1:16:15is going to go into hard times. So, do

1:16:16you feel like a responsibility that

1:16:17you're like enabling like the

1:16:20>> I don't necessarily even think I'm like

1:16:21enabling it cuz like bro, at the end of

1:16:22the day, like if you took us out of it,

1:16:24it's like genuinely we don't even we

1:16:27manage like 3 to 12 girls and our girls

1:16:29don't even do anything that crazy. Like

1:16:32we're we're not the issue that people

1:16:34like

1:16:34>> you don't they do anything crazy like

1:16:35them like showing themselves.

1:16:38That's not crazy. Our core creators that

1:16:41we started with, none of them did sex

1:16:43like sexual intercourse or show, you

1:16:47know, they're posting pictures by the

1:16:49pool, you know, like

1:16:50>> nah, you'd be surprised. People, we've

1:16:52made a lot of money without showing

1:16:54anything. We have created

1:16:55>> Do you think that's better or worse?

1:16:56They're trying for photos they can see

1:16:57on Instagram.

1:16:58>> I think it's better

1:16:59>> because they're still paying for it.

1:17:00They know what they're getting

1:17:01themselves into.

1:17:02>> Okay. So, you're not you're not

1:17:03>> It's not a secret. Like, they know what

1:17:05they're paying for.

1:17:06>> But based off what I'm saying, what

1:17:07we're talking about. So basically the

1:17:08guy is paying for photos that he could

1:17:09see on Instagram to talk to a girl that

1:17:11he's not talking to. He's talking to a

1:17:12guy in Cambodia who was on his computer

1:17:13texting and probably sitting in his

1:17:14underwear. And then when he's talking to

1:17:16that guy, he's just getting the feeling,

1:17:17but that feeling made up in his head. So

1:17:19technically, it's not even really

1:17:20happening.

1:17:20>> When you're watching porn, the feeling

1:17:21in your head, too.

1:17:22>> So we're selling feelings here. We're

1:17:23not really selling anything.

1:17:24>> We're selling emotional parasocial

1:17:26connection.

1:17:26>> No matter what, these guys are going to

1:17:28do it cuz they're weak. So you're trying

1:17:29to say like you believe like the guys

1:17:30are the issue?

1:17:32>> Yeah, 100%. I mean, at the end of the

1:17:33day, like there would be no industry

1:17:35without men. And as much as like we can

1:17:37sit there and say it like one of the

1:17:38longest industries in the world is sex

1:17:41work. Prostitution has been around in

1:17:43brothel since the [ __ ] dawn of time,

1:17:45right? It's right next to [ __ ]

1:17:46blacksmith. This men will always be

1:17:48horny for the for all of dawn. Like

1:17:50right there will never be a period where

1:17:52men aren't horny and they get hornier

1:17:54and hornier every [ __ ] year, every