2nd Underground Interview with Al Bielek May 1992 by Vladimir Terziski

0:23t92 and this will be the second

0:26underground interview with al Bielek are

0:29coming to directly from the american

0:32academy of dissident sciences how would

0:35you summarize for our viewers very

0:38briefly for these that have not seen

0:41your first underground tape what was the

0:46Philadelphia Experiment and what was

0:48your part in it because all of our

0:51discussion in this second interview

0:53would be about what happened later and

0:56about some other projects that basically

0:58have not been commented about so far ok

1:04very briefly the Philadelphia Experiment

1:06was a project undertaken by the Navy

1:08during the war years which had its early

1:11and original genesis in 1931 in Chicago

1:15was moved to the Institute of Advanced

1:17Studies in 1934 in Princeton New Jersey

1:20and by 1940 they had a functional test

1:24which proved they could produce

1:26invisibility on a navy ship that was

1:30rainbow one they classified it and made

1:32it a project called Project rainbow in

1:36March of 42 with Nikola Tesla having

1:39been the director since 34 he was to

1:42have a test of invisibility on a

1:44battleship he deliberately sabotaged it

1:47because he refused to be responsible for

1:49the loss of life which he expected due

1:52to the extremely high electromagnetic

1:54power and energies involved producing

1:57invisibility effect so anointment took

2:00over in 1943 after a lot of preparation

2:03and they mid-to-late 42 and a43 failed

2:08the first test in July 22nd 43 which was

2:13fully successful the ship became

2:14invisible to radar as well as to the

2:17site and to a camera

2:21but they had some personnel problems not

2:23super bad with Neve idli those on deck

2:27were no sheis and ill had to be removed

2:32after the ship returned to duck the

2:35final test was 12 August 1943 and that

2:38one was a total disaster after it

2:42disappeared and remained in hyperspace

2:44for some four hours by linear measured

2:48at time 1943 it returned and there was

2:53some crew members missing others on fire

2:56all's on deck were crazy insane except

2:59myself we'll just come back and from

3:04that point on the Navy after one more

3:07aborted test like October watch the

3:10hands of the entire thing and scrapped

3:12the project or something elders to see

3:13is a regular destroyer

3:15after we outfitting him and the project

3:18was dropped in 43 he was a very bad and

3:23disastrous results and in 47 it was

3:27taken up again at the request of the

3:30navy dr. von Neumann was asked to look

3:33into it and see if he could find a

3:35worker he went wrong and if anything

3:36could be salvaged he did find what went

3:39wrong and since he was already working

3:42on a computer design from 1946 with the

3:45Institute of Advanced Study he continued

3:49his work the computer designs were

3:51completed in 1952 the first model was

3:55built the second one went to New England

3:58and I think the third went to the Navy

4:00Department and in 1953 was a totally new

4:03design having been working on several

4:06projects simultaneously they had a final

4:09test with the Navy and a totally new

4:12project which there was no personnel

4:13interaction they had full invisibility

4:16radar and optical and everybody was

4:19happy because there was no problem so

4:22then request for the project again and

4:24called a project it's

4:26and that name code name project Phoenix

4:30became the genesis and a coverall for a

4:35multitude of sins and the multitude of

4:37projects which the government shoveled

4:38under that umbrella they had everything

4:41from mind control projects invisibility

4:45project that is the continuation of the

4:47Philadelphia Experiment to time-travel

4:50problems and time-travel systems and

4:53time tunnels and attempts at

4:57crossbreeding humans with reptilians and

5:00if you with a little strange things all

5:01came under that umbrella so that is very

5:05basically and very quickly what happened

5:08with the Philadelphia project the

5:12Philadelphia Experiment as is called was

5:16a disaster because it locked up with the

5:18Phoenix project which was running

5:21through 1977 to 83 but in the last month

5:25of its running in the last 12 days in

5:29August from August 1 to August 12th

5:31Phoenix project was online continuously

5:33without let-up and on the 12th of August

5:381983 the two projects locked up pulled

5:41the Eldridge into hyperspace where it

5:43remained for some four hours by standard

5:46measure of linear time on deck or on

5:50earth held in the hyperspace was not on

5:54earth it was in a limbo condition and

6:00Duncan and I were running the equipment

6:02on board the overage when we saw it was

6:06totally uncontrollable and out of

6:08control and we couldn't shut it off we

6:10jumped overboard on up in 1983 at the

6:13Phoenix project stayed there about half

6:16a day and we were sent back to the

6:17elders to smash the equipment returned

6:20the ship to 1943 Corliss was coming out

6:24of the fields the fog and equipment was

6:30running down because enough was

6:31destroyed that nothing would run anymore

6:34as the field started to dissipate we

6:37found of course four men buried in steel

6:38as we went out on deck again and a fifth

6:42man with his hand on the steel bulkhead

6:44and a lot of other insanity around

6:50totally in gibberish and saying

6:53something the guys were burning someone

6:55disappearing and reappearing and it was

6:58a total disaster

6:59Duncan took one look at this jumped

7:01overboard went to 1983 as later record

7:05showed and that was before the fields

7:08totally collapsed he was still able to

7:09get back you didn't want any part of

7:11what he saw the real reason for that why

7:15he deserted ship so to speak I went back

7:18to the future no pun intended on the

7:21movie has been a subject to debate now

7:24for some six years since we became aware

7:26of the interlocking projects actually

7:29about 80 agent onward why did he return

7:33to 83 the best answer I've been able to

7:37come up with was the fact that in the

7:40period of 1943

7:41between the first and the second test of

7:44the Eldridge then the Chief of Naval

7:49Operations who was Admiral King he

7:53should an order which I found out about

7:55in the last few months to the effect

7:57that if the second test was a failure

7:59nobody was to leave the Eldridge alive

8:01in other words he proposed to kill

8:04everybody

8:05well this was interdicted by a

8:08higher-level order from the highest

8:10level of the Navy which was a secretary

8:11the Navy then James Forrestal some kind

8:14of man at the order Duncan apparently

8:17knew about the original order and I

8:19suspected not know about the second

8:20order and jumped overboard in a panic

8:22thinking we're all doomed anyway he

8:24looked at me before he jumped overboard

8:26like well aren't I coming along I didn't

8:29so it changed in many respects history

8:32and definitely changed our personal

8:34history Duncan was reborn later in 1951

8:37in another body

8:40and after he went through many histories

8:44with the military and the Air Force from

8:46the time of age 18 which was 1978 onward

8:5368 onward he left the Air Force and

8:57eventually went up supported Phoenix

8:59projects in mid 70s

9:02I became Damien take that in his second

9:06incarnation as Duncan in the same name

9:09the first in the second Duncan's were

9:11the same name Alexander Duncan Cameron

9:13jr. while the sort of that and the

9:15second one was named that according to

9:17what he told his fifth wife or mr.

9:20Duncan's mother in memory of its son who

9:22had died in World War two anyway by

9:32aliens combining with the government

9:35part of the Phoenix project now if you

9:39want to get into some of the other

9:40commentaries many of the things which

9:42have come to light in the last few years

9:44have made this entire operation whole

9:48project Phoenix and the carrion of the

9:51Philadelphia Experiment also project

9:54Phoenix now more than a little bit

9:56bizarre one they perfected that is when

10:02they made a working experiment that was

10:04without hitch without glitch and without

10:07problems for personnel of course the

10:10project became of great interest to the

10:12Navy and to other military services

10:14after several generations of revamping

10:17they finally came up with us today

10:20commonly called a stealth technology

10:22the stealth technology basically

10:25involves not only yes it involved not

10:29only special coatings placed on the

10:32stealth fighter in the stealth bomber

10:33but also at the full invisibility

10:35technology which is on the b-1 bomber

10:37has been for many years of the b2 which

10:41is a stealth maybe every Navy fighter

10:44aircraft in the fleet on every fighter

10:46aircraft the Israelis have on a number

10:49of other Air Force grabs and all of the

10:51super carriers

10:52and this technology is now reduced to

10:55the portable size where an individual

10:58can be made invisible so it's gone

11:00through many generations of revamping

11:03and shrinking of the size of the

11:05equipment which says two things one

11:07solid-state technology has become with

11:11age and you are and how I able to do in

11:13a very small package things that it once

11:15took a huge pile of equipment to do

11:18secondly they've modified the equipment

11:20to some extent so that it is now

11:21impossible to make it portable and still

11:25completely effective what the principles

11:28now or that they're using I don't know I

11:30don't know if it repairs a resemblance

11:31to the original procedures or not but

11:34they do have it working fact is even a

11:37famous photo available of President Bush

11:40his Secret Service man out fishing at

11:43Kennebunkport Maine and the surf and in

11:45between the two of them there was a

11:47fishing ball standing there fishing with

11:49nobody hanging on to it quite invisible

11:51hands holding it up this is rather a

11:57famous picture and it is there it has

12:05been published publicized and a couple

12:07of newspapers and Mail that goes to show

12:10that the government has rather good

12:12control over this sort of thing there

12:16are other stories not a bunker feel but

12:18real yeah this is the famous picture

12:22right

12:35you know you see the president on the

12:38right and his pink shirt Secret Service

12:41men on the left with his arms crossed

12:42and the fishing poles standing there all

12:45by itself in the surf and it's very

12:49strange if you look closely you will see

12:51down to the water there

12:53splash walks around invisible feet right

12:56between the two yes right there

13:02and the angle seems a little bit off in

13:06terms of the way the polls of fishing

13:09but we don't have the full picture of

13:10exactly what Bay they were in a where

13:12this was and exactly where their lines

13:15were actually hankered for this now can

13:20be done with either one of two

13:21techniques one hardware or the second

13:23one I understand is they can put the

13:25human that is a secret serviceman

13:27through a special processing where

13:30without hardware he becomes invisible

13:32for about 72 hours and then he starts to

13:36do the invisible man number and start to

13:38come back into visibility and also he

13:39gets I understand violently ill one in

13:42the process coming back to quote and all

13:44the C unquote

13:45either way they have control over

13:48processes of invisibility hangover you

13:52might have a very powerful invisible

13:53hangover and a hangover is not a visible

13:55to the appear of the person who has to

13:57withstand it this is only one of the

14:01aspects many things which have occurred

14:10invisibility which basically is also a

14:12teleportation signal then practically

14:17all confrontation on this planet become

14:19impossible because you cannot fight a

14:21fleet that can hop around the world

14:24oceans it will just flipping the numbers

14:28flipping the dials and showing up

14:30somewheres else after turning on the

14:32invisibility

14:33there's more than one report of this of

14:36a fleet going invisible in the Pacific

14:39off radar awful optical view by private

14:43aircraft that happen to be flying in the

14:44area and fleet shows up a day later a

14:47couple

14:48thousand miles away and steaming and

14:51under completely normal conditions where

14:54it doesn't appear like anything has

14:55happened just as I've changed location

14:57in the meantime and they were totally

14:59hopeful radar not visible and could not

15:03be tracked being in that period of time

15:05they made a quick jump of some type and

15:09were there how they explain this to the

15:11sailors I don't know how they explain to

15:14the personnel aboard the ship that are

15:16not in on the equipment because these

15:18big carriers and larger ships everybody

15:20does not know about the equipment only a

15:21handful of personnel including the

15:23skipper of course maybe this film the

15:28final gives an idea of how this is

15:31explained they simply said it was a

15:33world wind a cyclone with some time and

15:37changing characteristics that move the

15:39ship back in time to the proko

15:42yes a film purported to be fictional and

15:47they got a waiver that you might say by

15:49showing it as a freak of nature nature

15:52does not engage in those kind of freaks

15:54not so far as we know at any time my

15:57information was that it was a real test

15:59they had the equipment on board it was

16:00the Nimitz and they was first ones to be

16:03so equipped and they went back into the

16:05past on direct orders to the day before

16:08Pearl Harbor with the intent whoever

16:11gave the orders that the aircraft on the

16:14nimitz would wipe out the invading

16:16Japanese fleet before there was an

16:18attack and prevent the attack and

16:19thereby change history well as it showed

16:23in the movie one of the civilian

16:26observers along was arguing with the

16:29captain who says do you want to play God

16:31and change all history he says if you do

16:34as you don't know how many people will

16:36be living who might otherwise have died

16:40in the attack and you can change the

16:43whole structure as it were of our

16:47history and the possible outcome with

16:50the work

16:54and nonetheless in the actual movie the

16:59skipper did not wane he started to the

17:03attack but then in the movie the natural

17:06phenomena closed in on him and the

17:08attack was canceled in fact I understand

17:11that the skipper got cold feet and

17:13called off the attack we'll pull the

17:15ships into the planes back and then

17:16return the ship to current time so

17:19basically I mean all these things show

17:23that these things are build up the whole

17:26Cold War has been a very clever mickey

17:28mouse game between the two superpowers

17:30in order to siphon tremendous amount of

17:35funding into these black projects

17:37because technically I mean both

17:40superpowers

17:41armed with our with these advanced

17:46technologies you cannot literally fight

17:49a war or you can destroy the whole

17:50planet but my important point is what

17:53the thing about the revelations there's

17:58so many places that basically this whole

18:00board has been a very clever arrangement

18:02where this is between the super the two

18:04super powers that have been transferring

18:06technology behind the scenes are you

18:08referring to world war ii insofar as

18:15world war ii is concerned ever say yes

18:17there was a great deal of covert

18:18transfer of technology from not just

18:21before but during the war before the war

18:22was not covert during the war was covert

18:25and then after the war of course we

18:27seized everything because Nazi Germany

18:29surrendered that is a Nazi group

18:33surrendered Germany they did not

18:34surrender period the Nazis never

18:37surrendered theirs is upon the best-kept

18:40secrets of history they merely moved out

18:43of Germany went to a Nautica and took

18:45all the best projects and hardware with

18:47them but insofar as the covert

18:50technology transfer is concerned there's

18:52a great deal of evidence that there was

18:54a continuing covert transfer of

18:57personnel my father was in on some of

19:00this smuggling of people out of Germany

19:03to the US during prior to and during the

19:05early part of war

19:06or two and withered some of the

19:08technology because the Germans developed

19:10their own time machine in 1945 we

19:13developed equivalent of it with the

19:15Philadelphia Experiment the 43 and an

19:18actual one and 44 like these two

19:21projects have been secretly coordinated

19:23from a higher level so that to compare

19:26notes and to see which one would do it

19:29better

19:30that would be true except for the fact

19:31that Germans had no invisibility project

19:33there's no evidence they had one of any

19:35kind but there is some partial evidence

19:39to the effect that to me have been an

19:41attempt by a Nazi sympathizer to steal

19:45the Eldridge the final test I'll take it

19:48out to see and turn it over to the

19:50Germans or maybe may have been an

19:52attempt by the American power a be to

19:56transfer this technology to Germany as

19:58there have been many such cases in

20:00history of transferring super

20:03technologies to Russia before the Second

20:06World War during the Second World War

20:07after the Second World War in order to

20:10boost up Germany's possibly true the

20:18problem with that is however that while

20:21at some higher level that was covert

20:23cooperation and during the war of course

20:27there was a great deal of cooperation

20:28between the US and the USSR and there

20:31were given literally some 25 pounds of

20:35purified uranium before the war was over

20:37under the Russians were that was the

20:40material which was eventually used to

20:42develop the first atomic bomb in 1949

20:45but this type of cooperation there was

20:48between allies between Germany and the

20:51United States there was a different

20:52story you had financial interests and

20:55industrial interests who were so heavily

20:59entrenched in the world financial in the

21:02world's financial structure and in the

21:04industrial structure that there were

21:06deliberate orders out that there were

21:08certain bomb targets in Germany and did

21:10you did not bomb and I'm not talking

21:13about the concentration camps it did not

21:15bomb but actually industrial targets

21:17which were immune from being bombed

21:18throughout the war

21:19the question is why and who gave those

21:23orders obviously they didn't come from

21:25the general they didn't compromise them

21:27how are they didn't come from anyone in

21:29the middle that in Germany or Italy or

21:32England they came from some level above

21:35where I don't know or the case of the

21:37German ball bearings that were sprinkled

21:40at their swastika Stephanies in American

21:42machines or high-grade American Aviation

21:46Kells gasoline ship in American ships

21:50with German Jews in Germany that part I

21:55didn't hear about until very very

21:56recently but if that is another example

22:00of the type of undercover cooperation

22:02due to industrial interests to keep the

22:05war going and yes there was definitely

22:07covert cooperation that military levels

22:10which the public didn't know about and

22:11most of the military didn't know about

22:13we also have a fine example of the

22:15Germans developing jet aircraft in 1939

22:20operational they had jet fighter

22:23aircraft and

22:24two engine fighter craft and jet bombers

22:26by 1941 42 43 which were ready to go on

22:33production of 41 and this was before the

22:36British ever heard about a jet engine in

22:38fact they only heard about it because of

22:39the chairman's were building them and

22:41they probably captured one and at that

22:44point they tried to replicate it they

22:45couldn't they went to a different design

22:47which was grossly inferior and the

22:50British design that was changed much

22:51later but they did not have the correct

22:54design the Americans I understand it

22:56perceived the design very much according

22:57to the original German designs yes did

23:00they get the I couldn't imagine much of

23:06this sort of thing went on you also had

23:09in terms of some of the more bizarre

23:12projects you might attempt in Germany

23:15which were becoming quite successful at

23:17mind modification that strict mind

23:20control but mind modification in terms

23:23of indoctrination which was used by the

23:27SS

23:28masters to indoctrinate the SS troops in

23:31the special rooms where they

23:33being impinged by 27 kilohertz high

23:35frequency energy off a special

23:37loudspeaker systems we ship them in the

23:39rear the head technology and then we

23:45will turn to mind control it's very

23:48interesting to notice according to a

23:50study by an American professor from a

23:52major Ivy League university I I think it

23:55was a Princeton University professor

23:56that studied Russian armaments industry

23:59from the 20s all the way to the fifties

24:02and his monumental academic work he

24:06among other things he noticed that 14

24:11out of the 15 munition plants in Germany

24:14at the start of the second world war

24:16world I'm sorry in Russia 14 after the

24:1915 munition plants in Russia were built

24:21by German technology with German money

24:23expertise know how engineers and

24:28management and even to these days the

24:33ak-47 the Kalashnikov submachine gun

24:37fires were bullets that are the original

24:40German moniker bullets for the rifle

24:44that the Germans had during the first

24:47world war so basically the Russians

24:50fought the whole second world war with

24:52munition produced in in German munition

24:54plants after the war I've heard stories

24:57that for example a Rolls Royce sold a

25:01whole factory for jet engines to Russia

25:03because the Russians were way behind

25:05even behind the British and the British

25:09were behind the Germans just in time for

25:12the Korean War so the whole Korean War

25:14was fought with MIG planes that had

25:16their engines built in a factory

25:17somewhere in Russia that was delivered

25:20by a rolls-royce later on I've heard

25:23stories about a whole nuclear submarine

25:26being sold to the Russians secretly in

25:28the 70s to boost up their submarine

25:30fleet because they were lagging pretty

25:32much behind

25:33and so this Cold War confrontation was

25:38not very real everybody in the Pentagon

25:40hear that the Russians are behind in

25:42submarine production so funding could

25:43not be

25:45appropriated by Congress for new

25:47construction or way back in the late

25:50forties when the Russian ambassador

25:53stole a nuclear warhead a nuclear bomb

25:57and smuggled it out of Washington in his

25:59suitcase and on to the plane all these

26:02things do not happen by coincidence or

26:05through sheer genius of the Russian

26:09secret services they are cleverly

26:11orchestrated and arranged on at a higher

26:15level conspiratorial level higher than

26:18the leadership of the CIA or the KGB in

26:23order to coordinate this Cold War and to

26:27have the to adverse adversaries

26:30basically equally strong so that money

26:33could continue to be appropriated by

26:35both the American Congress and the

26:37Supreme Soviet and this has been going

26:39on for all these years my personal

26:43feeling is that behind the scenes a

26:44massive space program of the two

26:48superpowers with the cooperation and

26:52participation of other countries has

26:54been going on and what we see in Star

26:56Trek is a fictional reality is probably

27:00a Monday everyday 9 to 5 jobs for a

27:06limited select group of elite

27:10intelligence personnel and elite

27:12scientists in both Russia and United

27:17States but I would like to have you all

27:22discuss a little bit more about the

27:24German mind control projects and how

27:30they were later carried on in the United

27:33States

27:36ok the initial work that I know of that

27:39wasn't carried on by the Germans

27:41involved the use of sound techniques

27:44which produced a semi hypnotic effect on

27:48the person's groups and the SS being

27:50indoctrinated so that the indoctrination

27:53training would take more readily this

27:55equipment at the end of

27:56two was captured by what they call the

27:58book rogers flying teams and when all

28:00over russia germany looking for new

28:03technology things that they wanted to

28:04bring home to the united states quite

28:07aside from the thirty railroad cars full

28:09of patents and paperwork which they

28:10brought back to the US they found all

28:13kinds of little interesting pieces of

28:15hardware and one of them was this

28:17indoctrination hardware which wound up

28:20in los angeles went to the Technicolor

28:22corporation to replicate the electronics

28:24and the speakers which were a very

28:28specialized wound up without tech

28:29Lansing to be duplicated I know this

28:33because of a certain friend of mine it

28:34was involved in the project at some

28:36level at the time and after they

28:38analyzed what had been built and how it

28:40works and how it worked on the human

28:42head the hardware was replicated went

28:45into production and nobody knows where

28:46it went but it was used of course in the

28:49u.s. somewheres exactly where is an

28:53unknown at this point the other factors

28:56that go on is of course the German

28:58started this the Japanese also had their

29:01own program going using a totally

29:03different approach they were using

29:04microwave energy a special technique

29:07working on the head I don't not know how

29:09successful he might have been but the

29:10pressure was taking over in the u.s. at

29:12the end of the war and swept totally

29:14under the rug with a complete silence

29:17they were continued basically at

29:20Brookhaven National Laboratories joining

29:22about 1947 and there they had already in

29:25place having been smuggled from across

29:27the ocean from Germany considerable

29:30number of refugee chairman Jewish

29:32scientists and they were part of the

29:35mind control projects and certain of the

29:36projects they went to work at Brookhaven

29:38who came in being a National Laboratory

29:40to work on the continuation of mind

29:43control techniques since Brookhaven is a

29:48National Laboratory it is funded by tax

29:51money federal funds they therefore have

29:54to make a report every month as to what

29:56they're doing all the projects underway

29:57and a general report of progress Lac

30:00they're over or whatever and this one on

30:03for some twenty years and then after

30:07approximately twenty years

30:09close to that somebody in Congress

30:10decides to start reading these reports

30:12says just stuck stuffing them in some

30:15cubby hole they started reading them I

30:18found out about mind control at that

30:21point somebody in Congress blew their

30:23lids at what a mind-controlled if

30:24they're building this sort of stuff they

30:26might use it on us cancel the project

30:28the project was cancelled the scientists

30:31were thrown out of Brookhaven and they

30:33were looking of course for a new home to

30:35continue their research and they found

30:36it not far from Brookhaven which was in

30:39the eastern half of Long Island they

30:41went a little further east to a location

30:44called Montauk area and there there was

30:46a military base called Fort hero

30:48which was operational it was an army

30:51base and an Air Force Base at that time

30:53the Army's part of the base have been

30:56there since before World War one the

30:59Navy was there with submarine pens

31:01ever since before World War one but the

31:04Air Force moved in in the early 60s with

31:06some specialized radar systems they were

31:09testing long-range over the ocean and

31:11eventually the sage system was moved in

31:14there about 1963 and that was

31:17decommission about 68 69 because they

31:19went to the dew line project in Canada

31:22still longer range and further north and

31:24all of the sage systems around the ears

31:26were dropped in that interim the base

31:30was abandoned which held a surplus

31:32property by the General Services

31:34Administration and this group who was

31:37already there state divine control group

31:41and they continued their projects now

31:44other projects under the Phoenix project

31:46and I cannot say I know all of those

31:49which have been put under that little

31:51umbrella phase one was mind control and

31:55that was moved to Montauk that is to

31:57that location at the abandoned base well

32:11then you get into a very touchy subject

32:13because in the United States today

32:16cocaine is considered a controlled

32:18substance in a drug which will do you

32:20harm I know a British scientist

32:22came over to the US tried to or just

32:25slightly after World War two

32:27and what he was going through school he

32:29regularly he was cocaine he said

32:32everybody in England did nobody had any

32:33bad effects from but nobody considered

32:35it a drug and nobody considered it

32:36harmful that is after all the derivative

32:38of cocoa the cocoa leaf and while it is

32:42a sort of energy and psychic booster he

32:46used it to stay up all night and study

32:49for his exams and then be out bright and

32:51early and never going to bed to his

32:54classes the next morning to take his

32:55exams and he passed them now this was

32:58not limited to England I was also being

33:00used in Europe and in Germany at that

33:02time there was no control on the

33:04substance prior to World War two and for

33:07some time thereafter and it was

33:09regularly used by a lot of these people

33:11as a sort of psychic booster now here

33:14you get into a very delicate manner in

33:16terms of any medical interpretation of

33:19what cocaine not talking about other

33:21drugs other hardcore drugs but cocaine

33:23itself as to whether or not it is

33:25habit-forming or not I understand

33:28generally considered is not

33:29habit-forming in the use or misuse by

33:32young people under the age of 21 it can

33:35lead to the use of other harder more

33:38dangerous drugs but of itself might not

33:40be considered so dangerous none of the

33:42reports for the Liguria Commission in

33:44the 30s in New York indicated there was

33:48any problem for marijuana or from some

33:51of these other drugs and they were then

33:53at that point wide open and usage there

33:56was no control on them in the 30s in the

33:59US or elsewhere to my knowledge the

34:01controls on these are only established

34:03after World War two and would not come

34:06down as a tight heart control with the

34:09controlled substance laws we now have

34:11until 1965 there was that late then of

34:15course included LSD and many of the

34:17other mind-bending drugs but cocaine was

34:19not in that category these people use it

34:22regularly as an energy booster and to

34:24sharpen their which their mentality

34:29possibly a meditation definitely some of

34:33these compounds particularly peyote as

34:36one example an LSD is a synthetic but P

34:39good he was a natural derivative from

34:40the peyote mushroom was definitely used

34:43and still is used by the American

34:44Indians as part of the rites but it has

34:47been used by many people experimental II

34:48in the past as a means for expanding the

34:51human consciousness and looking into

34:52other areas beyond the normal physical

34:55reality that mean the government

34:57couldn't have this for one simple reason

34:59they were interfering with the CIA's

35:01MKULTRA program uncertain other programs

35:03the CIA was involved with which involved

35:06mind manipulation and if you get

35:08somebody with an expanded mind with more

35:10awareness and more understanding they

35:12will be able to see through these other

35:13programs but if you cut off the memory

35:17all right if you cut off the use of

35:19these materials whether availability

35:21then you're not going to be able to take

35:23a better look around you you might not

35:24be able to find out that your mind has

35:26been tampered with

35:27on one of the government projects which

35:29were rampant in the US and Canada in

35:32Canada from the CIA from the late 40s

35:35onward as basically the chemical drug

35:39aspects from an admit early to mid 50s

35:41and MKULTRA was only one program there

35:45are many others who also had other

35:47programs underway which started in 47

35:49went on through 52 for finding the basis

35:55for changing the memory structure and

35:59changing the personality completely in

36:02totally if the CIA or whatever agency

36:05wanted to do this and these programs

36:07were instituted by dr. Wilhelm Reich in

36:09New York on tract with the CIA to do

36:16research which was according to what he

36:18was given to understand at the beginning

36:20of the initial point the CIA was quote

36:23interested in two aspects one was a

36:26development of psychic ability

36:29finding a means to improve or enhance

36:31psychic ability the second part was they

36:34wanted to find a means to deprogram

36:35people who had been programmed well they

36:40didn't hold memories

36:41they didn't state that to rank but he

36:44soon found out that's what they wanted

36:46and he blew his stack and falsified the

36:49experiments he found basically the means

36:55whereby I can totally reprogram a human

36:57mind that will and change its structure

36:59its intent it's the memory patterns and

37:02memory functions commands and being

37:05built in to control that individuals so

37:07they're no longer a free agent even

37:09though they might be under the

37:11impression they were certain command

37:14methods could be used to have that

37:16pre-programmed person on command do

37:18something which had already been

37:20programmed into them by CIA NSA or

37:23whoever is using these techniques this

37:25is all part of the mind-control programs

37:27of the 50s in the 60s and the 70s and

37:30this stemmed from basically German work

37:33and from some Japanese work because the

37:38Japanese work comes into the picture

37:39later in the 70s onward using RF

37:42techniques microwave and satellites but

37:46this required a great deal more research

37:48in between after the beginning programs

37:51of the 40s in the 50s wilhelm reich

37:54threatened to expose the whole business

37:55to the public and he was then holding to

37:57they attempted to haul him into court

37:59once in 1954 he refused to show when he

38:02got away with it he sent a letter to the

38:04judge but he was inherently unhappy with

38:08what he had been used for and said he

38:10would never work for the CIA again in

38:12fact although his lab burst no or armed

38:14to the teeth to keep out at one

38:18particular government agency and that

38:20was the FDA if any empty a personal ever

38:22showed up on any of us lay a property or

38:24as where to shoot first and ask

38:26questions afterwards I think government

38:28agencies cooperated with

38:33for me the connection that you were

38:36discussing yesterday between yourself

38:39certain indoctrination techniques by

38:43Indian yogi Collins that were later

38:50introduced into the COA financial

38:53techniques that involves some

38:55specialized sexual practice oh this had

38:59nothing to do with yoga practices this

39:00was a direct offshoot from the Wilhelm

39:04Reich techniques and Wilhelm Reich's

39:06research basically will not go into the

39:11whole nine yards of it on camera but

39:13basically what Wright discovered on

39:155-year period

39:1647 to 52 was that there was a great

39:19relationship between the mental

39:21functioning of the human and sex and the

39:24orgiastic state as he called it and that

39:27he found that in the orgastic state if

39:30you could hold that point where the

39:32person was about ready to have an orgasm

39:35but not have the orgasm you were held at

39:39a peak point of nervous excitation at

39:42that point this human subconscious and

39:44the human conscious locked together in

39:46an open line and everything is in the

39:49subconscious becomes available to the

39:51conscious mind the soul connects to the

39:55mind right therefore you can reprogram

39:57that person if you know what you're

39:59doing and right found out

40:00fortunately how it could be done in the

40:02CIA after many years of work and the NSA

40:05found out how you can complete this so

40:07that a person could be programmed with

40:09certain inbuilt mechanisms functions

40:12memories change memories whatever and

40:15while the initial techniques were more

40:18physical after some time in the 70s they

40:22develop early electronic techniques

40:25which would induce the orgiastic state

40:28and hold it electronically and these

40:32pieces of equipment are in every

40:34hospital in the United States which

40:35accepts federal funding by law it

40:39requires a double floppy disk in the

40:41computer one is a standard floppy

40:43because they use these equipments

40:45normally for

40:46EEG measurement or shock therapy if they

40:49need a shock therapy in the psychiatric

40:50wards but with the induction of a

40:53special second floppy which goes into a

40:56portion which is normally locked this is

40:58the so called of orgiastic floppy which

41:02induces right which induces that state

41:06in the person who is wired up to this

41:07equipment which now is not with big pads

41:10but with very tiny little probes which

41:12are 50 millimeters square and then a

41:15certain appropriate points of the body

41:17they are attached to all of them but the

41:19body and very critical nerve ganglia

41:21points a person is portion of throne and

41:25if you will into the orgastic state and

41:27then by computer they can change that

41:29person's mind memory programming

41:31whatever when they're done shut it off

41:35and install a final commanded they don't

41:37remember anything it's happened and then

41:40of course the person is released no

41:43drugs no messy techniques of the earlier

41:47Reiki inform and they can be done to an

41:50patient whether it's a regular patient

41:53or an inn how patient at any institution

41:56in the US that has its equipment private

41:58hospitals are not accepting federal

42:00funding do not have the law requirement

42:02to carry such equipment but it is

42:03recommended that they do but every major

42:07hospital that has federal funding as

42:09required by law to have at least one of

42:10these machines there and they usually

42:11kept under tight lock and key as how far

42:15some of their programming techniques

42:17have gone in this country this is only

42:18one example a friend of mine who works

42:21in one of the hospitals upstate New York

42:23has personally seen the equipment and he

42:27didn't say it seen it an operation but I

42:28think probably he has and he knows

42:31exactly how it works and exactly what is

42:33done I'll make it function and that it

42:36can be used for those purposes this took

42:39many years of research after Wilhelm

42:41Reich and of course Wright died in 1957

42:43in prison and to refuse to reveal what

42:46classified government work he was

42:47working on in early 57 in the judge said

42:51his hands were tired he had no choice

42:52but to commit him to prison unless I

42:53could show good cause why you should not

42:55which man he had a talk about his place

42:57if I'd work nice as I can't

42:59so we went to prison and died there and

43:01of course came to famous ft a

43:04book-burning

43:04well um rax works they went around and

43:08literally confiscated thousands of write

43:11books and in a particularly vicious form

43:14of Nancy book for anyone who hadn't

43:16burned the books these have been

43:18republished since most of them I think

43:21they're a few that is still out of print

43:22and held privately they didn't get all

43:24of them of course but they got him in

43:25the bookstores and the places where they

43:28were normally purchased it was a form of

43:34a lien by posting he was showing in all

43:42of his published works which was not

43:44only his journals as journal of Organa

43:47main but all of the various magazines

43:52the books he had written and published

43:53which were many about a dozen they were

43:57showing the function of Oregon energy

43:59not only in terms of the human body but

44:00in terms of the atmosphere weather was

44:03weather control smog the relationships

44:06of smog and foggy conditions in the

44:09Earth's atmosphere

44:09I was related to the loss of Oregon

44:11energy in the atmosphere and so forth

44:20that's very true

44:23radio sounds as they call them hood and

44:25these radio songs believe it or not were

44:27designed initially and built an

44:30breadboard form by Wilhelm Reich and his

44:33laboratory and Rangeley main and they

44:34were shipped down to that neat little

44:37laboratory in Long Island called

44:38Brookhaven and there they went beaten

44:41into a production form found out how

44:42they could produce 7,000 fairly

44:45inexpensively and they did you know

44:48Preston bought up nearly the entire

44:49stock in the United States surplus

44:51because they were banned after a certain

44:54point of time for being used and the

44:56govment didn't want the secret out that

44:58they were modifying the weather not

44:59measuring it reservoir ground receiving

45:01stations were not built more they boat

45:04was a transmitter so what do you do with

45:07the transmitter if you have no receiver

45:08what are you doing something else

45:10and they were they were modifying the

45:12weather on an experimental basis the

45:14bigger units were capable the steering

45:16hurricanes the AMT six start out with a

45:19little box my amt2 then a slightly

45:21larger one with a white plastic bubble

45:25on the top shaped with a point and then

45:29round section and this AMT four was a

45:35little more powerful and you used that

45:41as a more advanced form of weather

45:43control this was the earliest model amt2

45:47which comprised of this white portion it

45:51had the same antenna in it was run by a

45:54battery pack and the rest of it was a

45:58different kind of a box structure which

46:00contained some elements namely two

46:04sensing three sensing elements one was

46:06barometric pressure the other was a

46:09special strip which actually sends the

46:12amount of Oregon energy in the

46:14atmosphere and converted into an

46:16electrical signal and the other one

46:17since the amount of door energy which is

46:20considered in dissent against Oregon

46:22energy in the atmosphere since that and

46:24a gave it an electrical equivalent and

46:27thence went through a special modulator

46:29chopper system and that was sped out in

46:32the transmitter not being that small

46:34unit being one of the first ones were at

46:36a low power which would then modify the

46:41weather experimental e in a limited area

46:42they went from smaller to bigger boxes

46:45and finally to the big AMT six which in

46:47its final form which you can only find

46:50anymore was in a cylindrical tube it

46:53stood about this high off the floor

46:54about that diameter

47:00and the antenna was deployed after was

47:02in flight so to speak the large ones

47:04were taken up in a plane and dropped off

47:07a parachute the smaller units won't open

47:09a ballon micro and of the macro from the

47:15mind to the weather yes but to summarize

47:18here so basically the German this

47:20develop mind control through

47:24chemotherapy and hypnosis correct and

47:28they used very heavily scopolamine and

47:30other chemical specific illness but

47:31capela mean was their principal weapon

47:33or hypnosis and mind-bending if you will

47:37a dose it was used very effectively and

47:40with hypnosis to change mine and we were

47:42programming under chemical means and

47:44later on because not only the rockets

47:48and it's got German rocket Santa's got

47:51shared by the Allied powers up in the

47:52Second World War but so we're all other

47:55secrets and he's over there as

47:59specialist

48:02jusers propaganda ministry special

48:05enough for shared by the Allied powers

48:07and obviously all these mind-control

48:10experiments were moving and continue in

48:13the other countries the United States

48:14I've read a lot of books about Arab

48:17psychology development in in the Soviet

48:20Union in Russia of course the other goes

48:24wrong always what would read about such

48:27advanced technologies developing United

48:30papers obviously there were developed

48:31everywhere in all the major countries

48:34yeah

48:34and so here on top of the chemotherapy

48:39and hypnosis obviously in the United

48:44States were developed the other two

48:46methods name him with implanted

48:48microchips and with some microwave

48:52radiation yes the earlier form of

48:55electrical stimulation using a organ

48:58reichian techniques was one then they

49:02came to another technique under the more

49:05advanced mind control techniques in

49:06which that was discovered by preston

49:08nichols sometime in the

49:11he found out about the other technique

49:14they were using which was used and

49:15implemented at Montauk Phoenix project

49:19it consisted of a more or less standard

49:22low powered radio transmitter he

49:24replicated the whole system as an

49:27experimental test he took with him 250

49:29watt surplus radio transmitter operating

49:33at high frequency range which says

49:35between three and thirty megahertz

49:37designed a special modulator for it and

49:40had a tape recorder which had a tape

49:44recorded on it which said in essence

49:46quote anyone hearing this message will

49:50call such-and-such phone number that

49:52fault never happened to be a Long Island

49:53phone number in the home of a friend of

49:55Preston's they didn't use his number now

49:58that the criteria this thing was none of

50:02the victims were to have and did have a

50:05radio receiver what they were doing was

50:08broadcasting second-order energy which

50:10the human mind picks up and decodes

50:12directly as if it had a radio receiver

50:15the human mind does have a radio

50:16receiver operating at second-order

50:18frequencies either but the crystal face

50:20basically a telepathic type of receiver

50:22and you can make it work just as well

50:25with an RF transmitter a radio

50:26transmitter if you know how to do the

50:28proper modulation on it because what

50:30you're doing with a tube type

50:32transmitter is you're already emitting

50:34not only ordinary electromagnetic waves

50:35which is first order a second third

50:38fourth order and there's not go through

50:40the bacon to but do not go through these

50:43David correct and what they did was turn

50:47this thing on and let it run for maybe

50:48eight hours a day for about three days

50:50he wanted to find out president that has

50:53wanted to find out if this technique was

50:55valid ie would people hear it in their

50:58heads they did they had a tape recorder

51:01an automatic answering machine tied to

51:03his friend's phone number for about

51:04three days they received over 600 phone

51:07calls from all parts of the eastern

51:11seaboard of the United States as far

51:12away as Florida when they finally went

51:15through them all they found that there

51:16was actually only about two hundred and

51:18separate individuals someone called

51:20several times because this message was

51:21on the air

51:22for about three days it stopped that

51:24because of the fact that somebody in the

51:26government found out what they've been

51:27doing located the transmitter which is

51:29no problem to the FCC with all of their

51:32portable vans

51:33and hold off the transmitter next thing

51:37it happens the tapes are recorded on the

51:39telephone system disappeared and then

51:40sometime after that the gentleman who

51:42led us home be used for this little

51:45experiment disappeared himself but he

51:49proved the point you can program a

51:51person and condition them in such a

51:53manner that from a specialized radio

51:55transmitter they can receive a signal

51:58directly without having to carry a

51:59little box around in their pocket the

52:02only box I need is a working brain up

52:03here I shall pick up the signal decode

52:06it and if they were already pre

52:07conditioned this is the key they must be

52:09pre conditioned by whatever programming

52:12is put into them it's a precondition to

52:14hear this signal though you see

52:16everybody even call them only people

52:18have been preconditioned they hear the

52:20signal they go for the phone they call

52:22whatever number disposed to call and

52:25then what can happen from that point is

52:27is did not happen in this case but what

52:29can happen is that something respondent

52:33whether it be a machine or a person on

52:34the other end would provide a secondary

52:36trigger which will then trigger the

52:37whole program which this person has

52:39buried in them and then they become the

52:41robot the automaton would have to do

52:45whatever they're doing like or in the

52:51tops of the belfry tower at UFC Berkeley

52:55was the famous case there where this guy

52:57went up there government went up there

52:59with a rifle and shot about 15 people

53:04that's pretty well event and you have

53:07the famous case of Sirhan Sirhan killing

53:10Jack Kennedy he shot widely he hit

53:14Kennedy with one bullet but it was

53:16proven forensically that the bullet that

53:17killed Kennedy never came from Sirhan

53:20Sirhan gonna came from

53:21somebody behind Kennedy firing from less

53:24than 3 inches from me behind his right

53:26ear and that man was of course one of

53:30the guards it was a substitute that day

53:32for the regular guard

53:33to plan these very carefully but then

53:36they have to have a patsy so seriously

53:38and was a patsy he was accused he was

53:41tried he was convicted what off to

53:43prison he probably never did any severe

53:48damage to him at all then you have of

53:50course even more famous case of Robert

53:52Kennedy John F Kennedy I'm sorry where

53:55they said her single gunman single

53:58Bullet theory which has been so

53:59thoroughly exploded in recent years

54:01there were at least three assassins and

54:04some of the films show it and some of

54:06the private photos show it and of course

54:08poor little mr. Oswald ex CIA agent was

54:13the Patsy and they sacrificed him purply

54:15set up to call him the gunman and if

54:18that wasn't enough of course in the

54:19basement of the police station in Dallas

54:21from mr. Jack Ruby runs forward and

54:23pulls the trigger and shoots mr. Oswald

54:25on national television he didn't die

54:30then either by the way he died on the

54:31operating table later they made sure he

54:34was dead before he left the operating

54:35table and he said himself that his

54:38Oswald I didn't kill anybody he never

54:40pulled the trigger he wasn't even on the

54:42fifth floor and that shows very clearly

54:44in the movies these kind of mind

54:46manipulation techniques are everywhere

54:50the problem was you don't know who was

54:52pulling them or what they intend to do

54:54with him or how far they intend to go

55:00the implantation of microchips into the

55:04human brain for the purposes of

55:07listening to the sounds around the

55:11person maybe even getting visual signal

55:13from what the person sees to from one

55:17point on or turning the big master

55:21switch and assuming control over that

55:23being and actually commanding it what to

55:26do in last one of last year's issues of

55:33the mutual UFO network Journal the MUFON

55:37beautiful Journal there was a very good

55:40article of about maybe two dozen

55:44papers

55:45in official academic medical journals

55:49about implantation of microchips into

55:52pets and human beings into human brains

55:56for the purpose of mind control some of

55:59these papers were from the early sixties

56:03which means that more than 30 years of

56:06such research has been going on this is

56:09a topic very important in the field of

56:13ufology with all this mind implantation

56:18by the little greys going on and it has

56:22been my suspicions all along that many

56:24of these techniques have been in the

56:26arsenal of the government and so one

56:28should look first of all into his own

56:31government and then into some aliens

56:34doing this massive implantation rumours

56:38are that from one imported all the way

56:40up to one in ten from the United States

56:44population have been implanted well if

56:50you go into the history of this type of

56:52mind-control by signal by external

56:55control you can go back as early as 1960

56:59when dr. Delgado was experimenting with

57:03implanted chips in the heads of bulls

57:07and he proved in the ring in Spain and I

57:11think Barcelona that a charging bull

57:14could be stopped in its tracks by

57:15flipping a switch on a little electric

57:17electronic control box on the radio

57:19transmitter which affected this chip

57:21period and the Bulls head similar to a

57:26radio controlled model except he was

57:27doing a very simple signal transmission

57:30which caused the bull to turn aside and

57:32there was it set up in some manner which

57:35made of very effective control of the

57:37bull he lost his anger or he was just

57:40directed to turn aside that was publicly

57:42demonstrated that was only the beginning

57:45nobody has been able to find out exactly

57:48what Delgado did since then but of

57:50course you had the spectacle of the CIA

57:52continuing and as microchips were

57:54produced

57:55you have had implants which have been

57:57found in people's heads by the proper

57:59high definition read on radar but x-ray

58:03systems and also the mrw systems or MNR

58:09they can also find these chips but you

58:13have more than one class the initial

58:16class was probably developed by our

58:18government possibly in conjunction with

58:20alien technology and possibly strictly

58:22on our own but then you have certain

58:25documentary films which the Japanese are

58:27produced showing after interview of

58:30people and putting them through cat

58:32scans they can show implanted devices

58:34directly in the brain they cannot figure

58:36out how they got there and they know

58:38today and blessed it well they can never

58:39remove them because we kill the person

58:41to try and take these things out of the

58:43brain and they cannot explain how they

58:45got there they cannot understand the

58:48technology involved because it's not

58:49terrestrial technology it's one of the

58:52proofs about UFOs and ETS some of these

58:54implanted devices there's defy any

58:56medical skill we have to put in the head

58:58where they are maybe they were beamed

59:00inside it's hard to say how it was it's

59:04hard to say how it might have been done

59:05but they're there they're easily visible

59:07in a layer by layer cat scan and to what

59:11part of the brains are in it and very

59:12often they find two of them one on the

59:14left one on the right lobe yeah what

59:17effect they have is unknown because has

59:20not been detected in some of these cases

59:21that the individuals had particularly

59:24erratic behavior but the technology is

59:28there the technique is there and where

59:31the aligned ends between US government

59:35hardware and control and alien

59:38technology and control is very hard to

59:39say but this is a deal what the evidence

59:43is they're working together they're

59:45working together exactly going to the

59:50Phoenix project one of the aspects there

59:53of course was mentioned the radio device

59:56in the radio transmitter for human

1:00:00people brains properly set up will pick

1:00:02up the signal and respond

1:00:05you have other types of technology which

1:00:08have been developed as a result of the

1:00:11continuing work of Phoenix at Montauk

1:00:13elsewhere because you must also know

1:00:15that there were 25 stations every sage

1:00:18station was converted essentially to a

1:00:20Montauk type operation though they

1:00:23didn't all stay online eventually only

1:00:25about 3 left and how many other projects

1:00:28buried elsewhere ever going on we don't

1:00:31really know we know of to ITT

1:00:34cooperation who was the contractor for

1:00:37all of the hardware for Montauk that is

1:00:39for the Phoenix project at Montauk also

1:00:42had some ongoing side projects at

1:00:44Brentwood Long Island existed for many

1:00:49years actually some since sometime after

1:00:51the turn of the century a overseas

1:00:53communication system known as Mackay

1:00:55radio overseas communications about 1966

1:01:00the system was bought out by ITT there's

1:01:04a he know I was a standard ordinary

1:01:09communication using regular transmitters

1:01:11only they had a bank of about fifty two

1:01:14transmitters there for different

1:01:15frequencies were set up for continuing

1:01:17overseas communication which was boys

1:01:19which was teletype which was fax and

1:01:22everything imaginable both black and

1:01:25white and color fax the transmitter side

1:01:27was at Brentwood and after it was shut

1:01:29down which was in the fall of 86 when I

1:01:32was there in the island we went through

1:01:35there and found they have been

1:01:37experimenting on other projects on the

1:01:40side and some of the transmitters had

1:01:42some non-standard equipment in them we

1:01:44found other non-standard equipment

1:01:46around and we finally located the chief

1:01:48engineer of the site who admitted that

1:01:51to a major changes in installation which

1:01:53he had no understanding of what they

1:01:54were for he had the regular traffic and

1:01:57they had direct I and Lynch to ITT

1:01:59laboratories at Nutley New Jersey

1:02:01through dedicated phone lines direct to

1:02:03that site for inputs that he had no idea

1:02:06what they were he said it was totally

1:02:08controlled from ITT Nutley

1:02:11some special communications not to

1:02:13Europe with probably through outer space

1:02:15to the moon bases good well good well up

1:02:18in now they had a parallel project going

1:02:21on with certain other aspects which the

1:02:23transmitter site had have a receiving

1:02:26site the receiving side was not in the

1:02:28same location they moved at about thirty

1:02:30miles away to South Hampton Long Island

1:02:32and there they had the gigantic receiver

1:02:35site which is still essentially there

1:02:37the transmitter site was demolished and

1:02:40converted into a industrial park which

1:02:43is all you see now in an industrial park

1:02:45for about 8,700 but in that site some

1:02:49strange things went on and the story of

1:02:51how the project came down as an even

1:02:53stranger might be worth noting we had to

1:02:57trek back and press the Nichols was very

1:02:59heavy in this because he's a radio

1:03:00amateur and isn't the radio amateur

1:03:02clubs and he had been by that place many

1:03:05times one October night was he dumped it

1:03:08on myself in his van headed up to the

1:03:11place he wanted to show me this vast

1:03:14transmitter site they said I don't think

1:03:16we get on in there but it's there well

1:03:18the gates were wide open

1:03:19the guards were gone the power was off

1:03:22so we drove in and drove around and

1:03:24wandered all through the place and they

1:03:25had not yet started demolishing the main

1:03:27transmitter building they had demolished

1:03:28some of the smaller buildings perfil II

1:03:31which may have had some manufacturing

1:03:34facilities we're not sure but we went

1:03:36through that so all of the transmitters

1:03:38and there was some very strange charges

1:03:40left on them eventually of course the

1:03:43amateurs required it in to strip the

1:03:45place take anything you want it because

1:03:46it would save the contractor the trouble

1:03:48of removing it so the guy amateurs had a

1:03:51field day they took down five towers on

1:03:53a 20 feet high with the rotating

1:03:55antennas they saved the antennas they

1:03:57took everything you can imagine and when

1:04:00they were done they still had literally

1:04:02dozen tens of tons of hardware to scrimp

1:04:05the transmitters eventually are

1:04:07bulldozed what was left of them but we

1:04:10couldn't understand why this place shut

1:04:12down because it was a functioning

1:04:14overseas communication system well

1:04:18finally the story filtered through from

1:04:21ITT corporation's headquarters at

1:04:24maidenly New York about a very strange

1:04:27occurrence and one night in September

1:04:29actually a Saturday

1:04:31I teach he had planned to shut this

1:04:34facility down on a permanent basis

1:04:36because they really had a little more

1:04:38use for it

1:04:38and that particular morning on a

1:04:40Saturday they gave instructions by phone

1:04:43to the stationmaster that this was to be

1:04:46the last day of transmission there'll be

1:04:48some traffic can come through and they

1:04:50would have shut down to secure the

1:04:51transmitter and a permanent basis so he

1:04:56received his orders and throughout the

1:04:58rest of the day and for another night

1:05:00the transmitter remained on and it was

1:05:03receiving traffic and nobody get the nut

1:05:06Lian tour in New York and figure out

1:05:07what was going on they had orders to

1:05:09shut down the station and it was not

1:05:10shut down or is accepting traffic and

1:05:12transmitting so they send somebody out

1:05:15from New York to investigate and he

1:05:17arrived that night and started to go on

1:05:20base took one look and said I ain't

1:05:22going on this place the transmitter

1:05:25building with all of the transmitters

1:05:27which was quite a large structure was

1:05:30glowing with a blue glow over it

1:05:32something which was totally abnormal he

1:05:36wouldn't walk on the base the hole was

1:05:38surrounded with gates and fences and all

1:05:40of this he wouldn't go on the base at

1:05:43all and he went to a telephone and

1:05:44called Nutley and said there's something

1:05:46very strange going on here I refused to

1:05:48set foot on base because of this very

1:05:51weird blue glow and it just doesn't seem

1:05:54normal at all in attempts from not later

1:05:57contact and neither personnel on the

1:05:58base and the latter part of the anthem

1:06:00in the early or futile they had no

1:06:01answers on the phone so they said okay

1:06:04don't go on base we'll come by with the

1:06:06car in the morning and we'll shut down

1:06:07the power from the substation outside

1:06:09the operating area which they did then

1:06:12they went on base nothing wrong

1:06:14everything appearing perfectly normal

1:06:17all the equipment was there 12 people on

1:06:21that base earlier in the day had

1:06:22vanished completely went over found not

1:06:25take thérèse they finally had to tell

1:06:28the families of these people that

1:06:29disappeared how they handled it I don't

1:06:31know but about three days later they

1:06:33fired up the equipment to see if there's

1:06:34anything wrong

1:06:35nothing wrong with it whatever

1:06:36everything piece of equipment on that

1:06:38base operated properly but nobody was

1:06:42there

1:06:42so ITT shut it down as a little head

1:06:45scratching finally says okay we'd only

1:06:47think what to do with this place get rid

1:06:48of it so that was when the order came to

1:06:51sell it they found somebody who was a

1:06:53developer of industrial properties they

1:06:55wanted lock stock and barrel for five

1:06:57million cash and I finally found out how

1:06:59much they paid for it

1:07:00and nigt told him you get everything it

1:07:03says we don't want all is transmitting

1:07:05gear he says you got it all we don't

1:07:07want it

1:07:08it's your problem Lazar came the famous

1:07:12offer to the radio amateurs to come in

1:07:14and have at it and take anything they

1:07:15wanted and I did for two weeks or three

1:07:18weeks and then of course eventually

1:07:20everything was torn up and transmitters

1:07:23were destroyed the buildings were levels

1:07:24I was there when they were doing it and

1:07:27the underground facilities and there was

1:07:28some extensive underground rooms they

1:07:31were so strong as they supported the

1:07:32bulldozers without anything at all what

1:07:36they did with that I don't know but they

1:07:38eventually cleared everything and it's

1:07:39now a large industrial site there's no

1:07:42trace of the old transmitter site of

1:07:44towers the buildings or the site but

1:07:47that story was weird in that whatever

1:07:50was going on at that station apparently

1:07:53the station or something connected with

1:07:55it wasn't about to be shut down so into

1:07:58the blue one about 12 people somewhat

1:08:01reminiscent of what happened at Montauk

1:08:02not too long before except there was a

1:08:05different phenomenon that some of the

1:08:08strange things that have turned up in

1:08:09Long Island in the process the

1:08:13additional byproducts is intuitive

1:08:15technology way back in the forties when

1:08:18seamen were disappearing off the deck of

1:08:21the elders and then somebody else that

1:08:23feels another sermon appear in very in a

1:08:27brick wall then the barroom fight that

1:08:33came out of nowhere you know there were

1:08:35all interesting stories that one about

1:08:37the barroom fight is documented I do

1:08:39have the newspaper clipping finally

1:08:41which documents that group of sailors

1:08:44coming out of as they put it in the

1:08:47paper the rear realm of the barroom

1:08:49fighting and engaging Negro a brawl and

1:08:51involved themselves with the customers

1:08:53in the bar and bar stools or overturned

1:08:55and things were damaged and the

1:08:57estimated $600 worth of damage which was

1:09:00quite a lot of damage in 1943 and the

1:09:03MPs and the ESPYs were called and the

1:09:07police and the shore Patrol Oval Office

1:09:09sailors and the Navy said they would

1:09:12repair pay for the damage that was done

1:09:15the only problem with the story was

1:09:17there was no back room in the bar

1:09:19there's nothing but a wall and it would

1:09:22appear that these sailors came out of

1:09:24the wall probably connected with the

1:09:26Philadelphia Experiment

1:09:27we don't really know as has never been

1:09:29run down for the ultimate answer as to

1:09:31where they came from

1:09:32it's the other story I've heard once and

1:09:35I've not been able to get any data on it

1:09:37he's at about the same time a sailor an

1:09:41American one turned up buried in a brick

1:09:43wall someplace in Italy quite dead when

1:09:47discovered the body was me half buried

1:09:49in the brick itself and this was very

1:09:52reminiscent what happened on the

1:09:53Eldridge where four bodies were buried

1:09:56in the steel two horizontally in the

1:09:58deck two vertically in the bulkhead

1:09:59walls so the phenomena that was created

1:10:03by the photo experiment in the final

1:10:05testing was enormous it was very

1:10:08far-reaching and was very very

1:10:10destructive with many things and we

1:10:13perhaps do not yet know the full story

1:10:15of what it really did but we do know

1:10:18that the Navy of course wouldn't leave

1:10:19it alone eventually had to pick it up

1:10:21again at 47 which have already outlined

1:10:23but these bars

1:10:25the story that I heard on American radio

1:10:29American forces radio in Japan in the

1:10:34late seventies about a big rock that was

1:10:40a program on unexplained phenomena 14

1:10:43phenomenon one night a big rock huge

1:10:47boulder appeared out of nowhere in the

1:10:49middle of the city square of a American

1:10:54city on the East Coast next morning the

1:10:57CEO the city elders gather the big the

1:10:59rock was so big they couldn't call it in

1:11:01any truck they had to cut it in pieces

1:11:03or to dynamite him scientists were

1:11:06called in and one of them said well

1:11:09maybe this is a materialization of some

1:11:13material out of four different they they

1:11:15mentioned and i said 'no different they

1:11:18mentioned my left foot that was almost

1:11:2020 years ago and i have absolutely no

1:11:22idea about time travel about different

1:11:26parallel dimensions and so on

1:11:28yeah the 14 phenomenas were absolute

1:11:32abou in Eastern Europe and still are

1:11:35widely unknown but the program ended

1:11:39with the words and the name of this

1:11:40scientist was Albert Einstein and I

1:11:43clearly remember to this day called ants

1:11:47crawling down my back because I realized

1:11:50that there may be something more serious

1:11:52to this rather than just a simple joke

1:11:55then I remember another story in a

1:11:58science fiction magazine my personal

1:12:04feeling is that many of the science

1:12:05fiction stories that we read and even

1:12:07many of the tabloid reports that we read

1:12:09and and at the supermarket checkout

1:12:12lines are they bombarded with these

1:12:14messages

1:12:15oh I'm subscribed to most of the tabloid

1:12:19papers in the Weekly World News is my

1:12:21favorite one my feeling is that this is

1:12:24a very subtle way of manipulation and of

1:12:29Education of of the whole society by it

1:12:33works on a principle similar to the

1:12:37immunization of an organism with a

1:12:40weakened poison or a weakened disease so

1:12:45that the organism can develop it and

1:12:47antibodies in this case the lowest

1:12:50strata of society that doesn't read

1:12:52anything else but avoid papers serve as

1:12:55this sacrificial lamb that is exposed to

1:12:58the dangerous threatening information

1:13:02and through many years of such

1:13:04bombardment they finally learned to live

1:13:07with UFOs which is visiting us every day

1:13:11or the government manipulating space

1:13:13manipulating time manipulating the

1:13:15genetic code creating hybrids between

1:13:17humans and animals between humans and

1:13:19aliens but and in many ways the science

1:13:25fiction literature has been serving the

1:13:28same purpose there are so many stories

1:13:31that are written after a carefully

1:13:33orchestrated or designer leaked as I

1:13:36call them sometime peppers and some

1:13:39intelligence official contacts his

1:13:41friend who happens to be a writer

1:13:43nice best selling story or short story

1:13:47or novel appears on the book moon on the

1:13:50market after some time so in this

1:13:54science fiction story as two british

1:13:57constables discovered one night a

1:14:00talking head that was appearing

1:14:02protruding out of the payment and

1:14:04smiling and talking to them a little bit

1:14:07it'll more and more human parts and

1:14:09whole and half bodies and whole bodies

1:14:11appear out of the pavement out of bricks

1:14:15or the walls out of ceilings out of

1:14:17everywhere so this is a very interesting

1:14:22attempt to acquaint the public with a

1:14:25possibility that it is possible to walk

1:14:27through walls that it is not that

1:14:29difficult and dangerous and obviously

1:14:32these are signs that secret programs

1:14:35have been going on behind the scenes for

1:14:38me every story that I read in the

1:14:40tabloid papers is an indication that

1:14:42some some research of that type is going

1:14:45on somewhere behind the scenes and

1:14:46somebody is interested in educating the

1:14:48whole society

1:14:50so that twenty or fifty years later when

1:14:51this research would be put out in the

1:14:54open in public in the academia you know

1:14:58there wouldn't be a massive panic or

1:15:02suicides what other byproducts

1:15:07I mean negative byproducts elf of the

1:15:09Philadelphia Experiment would you

1:15:12comment upon or maybe some of these

1:15:15first nuclear tests that we were talking

1:15:17today that had some very interesting

1:15:19story effects well we can go into the

1:15:26nuclear test program but first I would

1:15:28point out the phenomena which has been

1:15:32discussed and described is certainly not

1:15:34new to this century Charles fort it was

1:15:38an ordinary newspaper reporter century

1:15:41and a half ago and England would start

1:15:45investigating some of these strange

1:15:47occurrences and reports here it and of

1:15:49course like most of the people at the

1:15:50time was very skeptical it was starting

1:15:52clipping these newspaper files and he

1:15:55wound up with some 150 around red

1:15:57shoeboxes full of clippings which wound

1:16:00up being them eventually the property of

1:16:02the 14 Society he wrote a series of

1:16:05books low land of the Damned and a few

1:16:10others and which he concluded that

1:16:13basically we might be the property of

1:16:15somebody else but he documented so many

1:16:18of these strange occurrences like frogs

1:16:20falling out of the heaven fish falling

1:16:22out of the heavens on the ground and

1:16:24other strange Falls even parts of parts

1:16:29of bathrooms of sinks and what have you

1:16:31angel here animals just coming out of

1:16:35doors there has to be an explanation but

1:16:38nothing could be found at that time and

1:16:40the scientists of course ignored it

1:16:41these things have been going on through

1:16:43quite a period of time and they're not

1:16:45new to us but this sort of thing

1:16:47continues and we have the barroom brawls

1:16:51which may have been induced by hardware

1:16:53that we controlled who knows what caused

1:16:55these other phenomena a hundred years

1:16:57ago a wing came on to the pier of

1:17:01nuclear energy where we dropped the

1:17:03bombs in Japan we had atomic tests in

1:17:08the Pacific in 1946 and 47 which were

1:17:12essentially wooden Erie atomic bombs

1:17:15there's a term ordinary advisedly

1:17:17because he kept growing in size and

1:17:20power but in 1952 Edward Teller having

1:17:22created it were ready to test the first

1:17:24hydrogen bomb and in 1954 they tested a

1:17:29second one and when I remember my dates

1:17:32of Corrections the second test they had

1:17:34an enormous problem with they decided

1:17:36they wanted a three mile long tunnel to

1:17:39instrument the rate of propagation of

1:17:41the explosion and is very carefully

1:17:44instrumented with very precise equipment

1:17:46because EG&G instruments all of these

1:17:48tests has from the year one and still is

1:17:50to this day no one else will or can

1:17:53because in control of the patents the

1:17:56pending case all of this very nice

1:17:57equipment was built measurement

1:17:58equipment time zero markers and so forth

1:18:04and high-speed cameras so they detonated

1:18:07the device and as the photos from Life

1:18:10magazine showed and some of the movie

1:18:13films they showed a mushroom started to

1:18:17form at the island where the device was

1:18:20in a building and then all of a sudden

1:18:21it was full-blown both sides covered

1:18:25more than the island the measurements

1:18:28down the tunnel is expected would take

1:18:30about eighteen microseconds for

1:18:31propagation if C was a busy maximum

1:18:34speed travel of light or anything in

1:18:36this universe according to Einstein's

1:18:38theory well the bomb went off I was t

1:18:41equals zero everywhere as there was no

1:18:42propagation rate was instantaneous to

1:18:45the end of the Three Mile tunnels while

1:18:46they lasted and just through all of the

1:18:50physicists into a tizzy you're literally

1:18:54throughout the physics books and says

1:18:56well we're back to square one we start

1:18:58over and all of the physics we know

1:19:00works no means anything anymore and of

1:19:04course one of the other aspects was life

1:19:06somehow got ahold of the photos and as

1:19:08the huge mushroom cloud but

1:19:12hemispherical glowing sphere of light

1:19:15with strange patterns that had started

1:19:17to rise and thin the aerial cameras

1:19:21which are photographing this whole thing

1:19:22thoughts a very strange phenomenon you

1:19:25can see from the camera after the

1:19:27pictures which were published by life

1:19:29that you were looking through the

1:19:31fireball into what was apparently

1:19:33another universe they were seeing stars

1:19:37and her forgot that when I saw that no

1:19:39published issue of life and I found out

1:19:41later from channels Life has almost put

1:19:43out of business over that they was very

1:19:45severely reprimanded but however they

1:19:48didn't even know how they got a hold of

1:19:49the photos but they did and they

1:19:50published which I think the public is a

1:19:52right to know but the military didn't

1:19:54feel the same way about it particularly

1:19:56the AEC right who cares about the public

1:20:00seems to be the attitude they never

1:20:02detonated another hydrogen bomb a simple

1:20:05reason 54 was the last when they

1:20:08scheduled one 456 but it was never

1:20:10belated they canceled it Christmas to be

1:20:13an underwater test they decided in view

1:20:15of what happened with the 54 test where

1:20:17not only did they lose the three mile

1:20:19tunnels but the entire island was

1:20:20vaporized and I went to had a burning

1:20:23and boiling down to bedrock and of

1:20:24course burning and boiling at bedrock

1:20:26for three days afterwards till the ocean

1:20:28water finally damped it out started a

1:20:33chain reaction in the rock for certain

1:20:35scientists had so warned and elicit

1:20:38dissent oh boo boo this can't possibly

1:20:40happen and those who voted of course

1:20:44were those who ran the tests and they

1:20:46were performed and they found out it

1:20:48can't happen there were they were afraid

1:20:58of this for the simple reason that h2o

1:21:00was the most common substance on earth

1:21:05the most common compound and it's

1:21:06Everywhere's and if somehow they were

1:21:09managed to start a chain reaction in the

1:21:12water itself it would go through the

1:21:15entire oceans Everywhere's and that

1:21:16would be essentially the end of the

1:21:18earth

1:21:18they did not fortunately set off such a

1:21:21reaction whether it's damp by minerals

1:21:23or whatever else I don't know but they

1:21:25were fortunate and then

1:21:26that did not happen so offer the test

1:21:29for abandon and of course the Russian

1:21:31start their h-bomb test zactly so they

1:21:38had their someone an only test which I

1:21:41believe was about 1959 and they expected

1:21:46according to the reports which came even

1:21:48from Khrushchev later about a 30 Megaton

1:21:50yield they had a little bit more

1:21:52something they would never admit how

1:21:54much but it was an excess of 100

1:21:56megatons and the Russian said they would

1:21:58never set off another hydrogen bomb

1:22:00again because was totally out of control

1:22:02suppose they were concerned do

1:22:04mathematical models and predictions the

1:22:07so-called nuclear theory was a pile of

1:22:10garbage they don't really know what's

1:22:11going on and I know personally a nuclear

1:22:14physicist it's post 125 papers and used

1:22:18to teach at UC Berkeley or said the same

1:22:20thing he says the nuclear scientists

1:22:22have no idea what's going on they don't

1:22:23know what's going on with nuclear

1:22:25processes period and this from a nuclear

1:22:28physicist famous explosion that was so

1:22:45powerful that he broke the needles on

1:22:47the seeds not only in Russia but many

1:22:51other countries there's quite crazy but

1:22:53it was so powerful well that one I did

1:22:56not hear of I certainly don't hear of

1:22:59everything in that's why it's necessary

1:23:01for people to get together and compare

1:23:03notes and do networking today the

1:23:06networking via computers is what's

1:23:07getting information around faster than

1:23:10it could be stopped because you cannot

1:23:12stop and the network at the computers

1:23:14around its nationwide and all of the

1:23:16little computer bulletin boards which

1:23:19are maintained privately this kind of

1:23:21information doesn't get out back in the

1:23:2350s there were no computers and computer

1:23:25networks it had to be verbal

1:23:30but you mentioned that there are

1:23:33persistent rumors and even comments by

1:23:38some major physicists open harbour

1:23:40included that the two devices are

1:23:43exported over Japan were actually of

1:23:45German origin of German production this

1:23:49was alluded to by a German who was

1:23:52writing or connected with the book that

1:23:55was published in Toronto Canada

1:23:57outlining the history of the UFO

1:24:00development in Germany and also making

1:24:03some passing reference to the nuclear

1:24:05program which Germany had an ongoing

1:24:06during World War two and it was known it

1:24:11was founded after the war was over

1:24:12wasn't although the Germans had

1:24:13developed and had built a number of

1:24:17atomic bombs which were in their arsenal

1:24:19and apparently never used and they were

1:24:21working on a super bomb of a totally

1:24:23unknown design which they were going to

1:24:26plan to use on New York or London

1:24:28probably near London or New York

1:24:31whichever they chose to wipe out first

1:24:34which according to the reports a single

1:24:37bomb about the size of a pineapple was

1:24:39sufficient to wipe out the entire city

1:24:41which is to say it was more powerful

1:24:43than the hydrogen bombs which we had to

1:24:45be invented but this very possibly

1:24:52that's about the only thing that would

1:24:53do it the German technology was so far

1:24:55advanced beyond ours it's unbelievable

1:24:57and it's unbelievable that they lost the

1:24:59war and they did and perhaps better for

1:25:03all of us that did happen but their

1:25:06technology was very advanced and they

1:25:08were into these areas the reports were

1:25:11that and this was allegedly admitted by

1:25:15up in Homer after the war was over at

1:25:18the two bombs we dropped in Japan and

1:25:20Hiroshima Nagasaki we did not build

1:25:22because we had an extreme shortage of

1:25:25plutonium there was not enough plutonium

1:25:27to cover the head of a pin in May of

1:25:291945 and the richer's when Germany

1:25:36surrendered

1:25:38in these mere 45 yes a and about the

1:25:45time we came around to dropping the bomb

1:25:47in 46 there was a lot of time in between

1:25:53as long as 45 okay there was a few

1:25:56months in between and it was in that

1:25:59interim period that we suddenly were

1:26:01able to develop a bomb which was dropped

1:26:02or actually not dropped and tested

1:26:05eternity New Mexico allegedly the first

1:26:08nuclear device we had built and within a

1:26:11few weeks after that we dropped two

1:26:12bombs on Japan the question is quite

1:26:17well asked if we were so short of

1:26:20nuclear materials they had enough

1:26:21uranium-235 to build bombs but those

1:26:23were the huge devices are like fat man

1:26:26or fat boy as they called it which

1:26:28required a gun barrel to bring the two

1:26:29charges ports together

1:26:32howitzer tape barrels it especially made

1:26:35by the Navy and it was not a

1:26:38particularly high-yield device was

1:26:40rather sloppy but at least it proved the

1:26:42principle the question is did we carry

1:26:45something like that over Japan or did

1:26:47they drop one of those and it was later

1:26:50claimed the unica Saki bomb was actually

1:26:52a plutonium bomb I can't prove it at

1:26:55this point but I do know there were

1:26:58enough records Los Alamos where I was at

1:27:01the end of the war to show that the

1:27:03Germans had developed quite a few

1:27:05nuclear devices and I was not unknown up

1:27:09there at that time what is your

1:27:11explanation of I would say there is no

1:27:18good explanation unless you to totally

1:27:20modify when you review of what Hitler's

1:27:22real character was his real nature of

1:27:24the person he's been painted to of

1:27:28course by many news media continuing to

1:27:31this day of course as being a monster a

1:27:33person without any feeling a heart he's

1:27:36out to conquer the world

1:27:37all of the records today show he was not

1:27:40out to conquer the world and there's the

1:27:42actual military aspects of their weapons

1:27:44development in Germany were very

1:27:46peculiar they would not release a weapon

1:27:49into general use and

1:27:50German military until they had already

1:27:52produced a countermeasures matter weapon

1:27:55there is no counter weapon

1:27:57countermeasures of any type to an atomic

1:27:59bomb not at least there are known at

1:28:01that time war now that is after the bomb

1:28:05is triggered and set off the original

1:28:07countermeasures the only countermeasure

1:28:10is that you don't set it off they may

1:28:13have been for that reason that Hitler

1:28:14refused to use it

1:28:16that's a speculation of course at this

1:28:18point if he had it and he was losing the

1:28:21war what amuse it as a military weapon

1:28:23he many times ignored the advice of his

1:28:25own military high staff because he got

1:28:30into the area of the Aryan racial

1:28:33considerations of racial superiority and

1:28:35when the British were on the beach at

1:28:38Dunkirk waiting to be evacuated back to

1:28:41England after they were driven into the

1:28:42sea the German High Command wanted to

1:28:44kill all of the British because after

1:28:46all there were soldiers and there was a

1:28:48war on and is about half a million

1:28:50unaware prime targets and legitimate

1:28:52targets in terms of war to be eliminated

1:28:56as you eliminate any army in the field

1:28:58Hitler interceded says no you will not

1:29:01attack them you will let them escape

1:29:03they're Aryans you don't kill Aryans

1:29:07that was his thinking at the time the

1:29:10British survived of course in some

1:29:11australians and others with him the end

1:29:14result of course they lived and come

1:29:16back to europe another day which of

1:29:17course did happen but he had some very

1:29:20peculiar philosophies and the one among

1:29:22them was he did not want to wipe out and

1:29:25necessarily a lot of variants which he

1:29:27considered the British as being so one

1:29:31has to take a little look no matter how

1:29:34difficult it may be and some of his

1:29:35little Hitler's philosophy and find out

1:29:37where his head was really at because you

1:29:40will not get a true picture from the

1:29:41current propaganda or the ongoing

1:29:44propaganda from the end of World War two

1:29:46or during World War two much of the

1:29:50propaganda there was against Hitler from

1:29:52our side after we were in the war of

1:29:54course portrayed him as a beast but

1:29:56remember two things Hitler never had a

1:30:01bodyguard

1:30:03he had military around him but he never

1:30:06carried bodyguards around with him like

1:30:07every president in the United States

1:30:09does particularly molest two two

1:30:11administrations and number two when he

1:30:13won anywheres in Germany the children

1:30:16all ran up - and they actually loved him

1:30:18and children have a way of knowing

1:30:21psychically when somebody is evil now if

1:30:24they didn't shunt him and they ran up to

1:30:27him on a regular basis you cannot

1:30:29stage-managed this all the time

1:30:31you can stage manager perhaps a good

1:30:33part of the time but all of the

1:30:35newsreels are there as testimony he went

1:30:38all over Germany sometimes very much

1:30:39alone without bodyguards would hike in

1:30:41the mountains alone if that man was so

1:30:44evil and so hated why did the German

1:30:47people not attack them the way Russian

1:30:52children was rushed of Tallinn and

1:30:54shower camp with flowers and kisses and

1:30:56hugs is an interesting way of Pella

1:31:00totalitarian country can manipulate his

1:31:02population into propaganda can paint a

1:31:05picture of the person being the father

1:31:09of a nation true and he was in the case

1:31:11of Hitler II was considered not only to

1:31:14fewer the leader is considered in many

1:31:16respects the father of the new nation

1:31:18the Third Reich and that he have made

1:31:20many promises and he kept them all

1:31:22namely guns and butter you'd pull the

1:31:25nation out of the poverty he'd have been

1:31:26in and rebuild the nation rearm it he

1:31:28did all of these things regardless of

1:31:30how he did him he didn't and regardless

1:31:33of the concentration camps the people

1:31:36who were dissidents he did be reunified

1:31:39Germany and keep his promises and he

1:31:41also kept another basic promise which

1:31:43was the reason why he achieved power in

1:31:45the first place was he promised to throw

1:31:46all the bullsháá picks and all of the

1:31:49communists out of Germany and he did

1:31:51they were threatening to take over

1:31:53Germany in 1928-29 there was a very

1:31:55serious movement a communist movement in

1:31:58Germany at that time before he acceded

1:32:01to full power he was in a semi full

1:32:03power from 1930 ah what the burning of

1:32:05the Reichstag and he became public

1:32:08tactful it was ignited by a bull get

1:32:14that part I would announce another long

1:32:17story right

1:32:18other than the book another famous I

1:32:30would like you to comment if you have

1:32:33any information about particular

1:32:36extraterrestrial race involvement with

1:32:38the joy involvement with the German I've

1:32:41heard about crash saucers since an

1:32:43immunity or elsewhere in the Bavarian

1:32:45Alps I've heard about some races coming

1:32:48in just in Jerusalem going from Germany

1:32:52well is a great deal of information and

1:32:55Billy Meyers as a source of quite a bit

1:32:57of it that the platens

1:32:59approached Hitler a specific group of

1:33:02gladdens approached Hitler in 1933 34

1:33:06and eventually after first approaching

1:33:09the US and being rejected by Roosevelt

1:33:13they went to Germany made a deal with

1:33:15Hitler to provide him with technology

1:33:17and help build up the nation and their

1:33:21price and requirement was that he would

1:33:25take a very easy stand and know we're up

1:33:29stuff and handling the Jewish problem

1:33:31once you said we know you have they says

1:33:33will be no rough stuff and I Hitler than

1:33:34that they readily agreed to it because

1:33:36history shows that in the period up

1:33:39through 1940 41 there was no rough

1:33:41treatment of the Jewish and other

1:33:43dissidents in the concentration camps in

1:33:45fact when we treated quite well and they

1:33:47were right there was that plan and of

1:33:54course the Madagascar ones apparently

1:33:56rejected it they wanted no part of it

1:33:58but in any case they were plans to do

1:34:00this the National Socialist Party in the

1:34:02period prior to World War two did not

1:34:05could not conceive of a massacre of the

1:34:07Jewish people they knew it was a problem

1:34:10they want to get rid of them but they

1:34:11didn't know how to do it it was an

1:34:13endless debate a quite aside from this

1:34:15the Layden's said they would provide

1:34:19them with technology and there was the

1:34:21rumor in the story of a crash saw so

1:34:23they came to

1:34:24the very knobs and sometime in late 1935

1:34:27which was a source of a lot of German

1:34:30technology now this story has been

1:34:32repeated many times by people that came

1:34:34from Peenemunde ever found the wreckage

1:34:35of a UFO in Germany after the war was

1:34:38over I don't know if it's a second one

1:34:45or not but they found the parts and

1:34:48pieces for it and they knew that the

1:34:50Germans had some kind of outside help

1:34:52now from what I understand the pain of

1:34:54the operation with the platens they

1:34:58provided some personnel also went ahead

1:35:00they developed fast new technologies and

1:35:04they moved very rapidly and developing

1:35:08their own technology and some highly

1:35:10advanced technology which includes a

1:35:12circular foil aircraft which started to

1:35:14show up in the research areas in 1937 38

1:35:17were actually being built as early as

1:35:191939 replicas of the plate and craft but

1:35:23not with a plane and drive what I

1:35:25understand they never did solve the

1:35:27plate and drive system but developed

1:35:29their own viktor schauberger was well

1:35:31known for his contributions technically

1:35:33to the Flying Saucer circular foil

1:35:35aircraft if you will technology is known

1:35:38throughout the world for his aircraft

1:35:40designs and the circular for all

1:35:41aircraft designs eventually developed a

1:35:44true electro magnetic anti-gravity drive

1:35:47and this came in a latter part of the

1:35:49war but this one basically all stems

1:35:52from the plate and giving of technology

1:35:57to Germany and a lot of other ideas how

1:35:59much was given we don't really know but

1:36:02I understand it about 1941 for whatever

1:36:05reason the platens pulled out they no

1:36:07longer support Hitler and in instead

1:36:11came by the information came by a

1:36:14respected channel that I know of and i

1:36:16do not mean a metaphysical channel but a

1:36:20very physical real channel an ex-agent

1:36:22of the government us who knew germans

1:36:25during the period right after world war

1:36:28ii and they used to tell the stories

1:36:30about how the graves made a deal with

1:36:31Hitler a little three and a half foot

1:36:34graze allegedly

1:36:35and gave him technology and they wanted

1:36:38humans to experiment on the stories are

1:36:42that Hitler told them he says you can't

1:36:44have any of the Germans of the air in

1:36:45space did you take all the people you

1:36:47want out of the concentration camps and

1:36:48I'll give a good about them and they did

1:36:51I am told that there was a large

1:36:55discrepancy in count between the records

1:36:57of those who went into the camps those

1:37:00who came out alive those that were there

1:37:02dead which they had skull bones and

1:37:05other evidence of who had died there

1:37:07there was still a large number

1:37:08unaccounted for what percentage I don't

1:37:11know it may well be that the grave took

1:37:14some of them out of the camps for their

1:37:15own genetic experimentations under

1:37:17Germany the second largest area of great

1:37:20invasion isn't here the primary area is

1:37:23in the US this is another just another

1:37:27side issue I've been thinking about this

1:37:33crash landing of UFOs when an alien

1:37:37nation wants to establish contact with a

1:37:42particular planet of planetary race it

1:37:47has many functions to it for example

1:37:51when a disabled UFO is left in the

1:37:54middle of a field it is like a huge dead

1:37:58bear being found in the middle of a rim

1:38:00or a dead bees being found in the middle

1:38:03of a primitive village on the morning

1:38:05people are afraid of it but eventually

1:38:07they overcome their fear they start

1:38:09dancing over it little by little they

1:38:11develop their stories of how to fight

1:38:13these beasts so by my feeling is that

1:38:19these are all engineered crashes and

1:38:21these are old surplus ships that are

1:38:26left on the planet for the locals to

1:38:29explore and to slowly get over the fear

1:38:33if it is a live year for with live

1:38:35aliens coming out of it it will be a

1:38:37panic similar to what Orson Welles call

1:38:39cause with his dramatization of the War

1:38:42of the Worlds another interesting detail

1:38:46here is that

1:38:49many times the aliens conclude the

1:38:52treaty with a government but with a very

1:38:55top echelon less than probably 10 or 20

1:38:59people in the whole country know that

1:39:01there is a treaty with aliens and that

1:39:04information is being transferred from

1:39:07their civilization to ours and so crash

1:39:11landing of a UFO is an interesting

1:39:13explanation for the lower echelon of the

1:39:16engineers and the military of this

1:39:19southern a sudden explosion of new ideas

1:39:24new solutions that come literally out of

1:39:27nowhere as we have all seen in

1:39:29especially I was astonished myself in my

1:39:32research of the last year starting very

1:39:35skeptically to research the rumours of

1:39:38German UFOs and only more near

1:39:41discovering more than 50 60 different

1:39:44models of flying crap powered with every

1:39:49possible engine that we know of and some

1:39:53other impossible engines that Germans

1:39:55the Germans built especially for the

1:39:59UFOs so my point is that such crashes

1:40:05are organized engineered so to explain

1:40:08away the sudden explosion and called a

1:40:11copy of new technologies to technologies

1:40:14to the rest of the engineering elite

1:40:16without having to reveal to everybody

1:40:18those oh yes yeah we are in contact with

1:40:20aliens very interesting point because

1:40:25the cover-up that is persisted

1:40:28throughout history and I'm not talking

1:40:30about a modern history the last fifty or

1:40:32hundred years throughout history all of

1:40:35the researchers have shown whether you

1:40:37quote G Koch shellhorn who was a PhD

1:40:40a biblical scholar and I shown that you

1:40:42opposed have existed throughout the ages

1:40:44going back at least five thousand maybe

1:40:46ten thousand years an example of it and

1:40:49so it there has always been somebody

1:40:51here that's been contacted and it

1:40:53usually is going to prove to be that it

1:40:56was the kings the priests or those of

1:40:58the highest echelon of government they

1:40:59didn't want the general public to

1:41:01so that they were trafficking with

1:41:03aliens if you will and for whatever

1:41:07purpose a reason now in the current here

1:41:09let us say the last hundred years you

1:41:11have the same problem there were aliens

1:41:13around this planet and in the period of

1:41:17more modern history which I would say

1:41:21let us say from the time of the fall of

1:41:22Atlantis or the destruction of Atlantis

1:41:25which many people may still dispute and

1:41:27a lot of scientists wanted to spew it

1:41:29but there's more than ample evidence we

1:41:30know where to dig Atlantis was

1:41:33apparently destroyed by outside

1:41:36intervention which produced the

1:41:38cataclysmic earthquakes which finally

1:41:41sank the last Island but in the process

1:41:44after that a governing body on earth was

1:41:47set up which is uh now known as and has

1:41:51been known for centuries and millennia

1:41:53as the Illuma the order with the

1:41:54Illuminati the Illuminati is a strange

1:41:58organization and has its current world

1:42:01headquarters and has had it for at least

1:42:03five hundred years at Basel Switzerland

1:42:05but from the earlier days was elsewhere

1:42:08and it went back actually to the days

1:42:10after the collapse of Atlantis and

1:42:13there's a governing body within it of

1:42:16three people - were always humans and a

1:42:19third was always a reptilian which is to

1:42:23say there is an outside influence in the

1:42:25affairs of earth and has been for at

1:42:27least 10,000 years a direct influence

1:42:30and the rest of the orders apparently

1:42:32for the progress of humanity or what is

1:42:34to go on here comes what appear from

1:42:36outside today the audio loominatee is

1:42:39not the only secret organization there

1:42:43are many we have not so secret but of

1:42:46course that has the secret aspects to it

1:42:48they see a for Council of Foreign

1:42:50Relations we have the trilateral

1:42:51commission we have the Club of Rome

1:42:55which is not well known but a think-tank

1:42:58for the whole operation of the secret

1:43:00societies and groups the invitation of

1:43:03the population they have generated the

1:43:06programs and you have the Bilderbergers

1:43:08and and like interlocked with all of

1:43:11this of course is the order of the

1:43:12Illuminati

1:43:13they have been setting policy along with

1:43:15the so-called elite the wealthiest

1:43:17people on earth for more than a year -

1:43:21and more than a hundred years a - has

1:43:22been going on for centuries because the

1:43:24old money of Europe is they call it it's

1:43:27not four or five hundred years old it's

1:43:29perhaps a thousand years old you have to

1:43:31consider the de Medicis of Italy and

1:43:33some of the other families which are

1:43:35known totally to the outside world today

1:43:38which have trillions of dollars in

1:43:40wealth there's only one example the

1:43:42hapsburgs of Germany and of Europe have

1:43:46enormous wealth it some uncounted it's

1:43:49in the trillions they have gold reserves

1:43:51of on staggering quantities it would

1:43:53make Fort Knox look like a toy playpen

1:43:57at Fort Knox hasn't have any gold now

1:44:00anymore but in any case when it did have

1:44:02a gold reserve stock but the Habsburgs

1:44:05already had for centuries in Europe is

1:44:06far greater than anything we've had in

1:44:08this country and we'll go into all the

1:44:11financial details and how I know some of

1:44:12this but enormous quantities of money of

1:44:15gold and wealth have existed and it's

1:44:17all with manoeuvered it's all been

1:44:19controlled for a purpose

1:44:21the real break and civilization you say

1:44:24you might say became obvious in the

1:44:27industrial revolution and when the

1:44:30church's power was broken in 1580 when

1:44:33you had the Protestants as he called him

1:44:35Luther John Calvin and all the rest who

1:44:39followed and the power of the Vatican

1:44:41was largely broken now totally was

1:44:43largely broken and with it came the

1:44:45Renaissance and of course the

1:44:47development in an open style of the

1:44:49technology which was already known and

1:44:51held in secret this has been known for

1:44:55many many centuries if you have

1:44:57knowledge of alchemy which is a very

1:44:59advanced form of chemistry actually a

1:45:02very advanced form of matter

1:45:04manipulation which is known to the

1:45:05ancients you go back to Atlantis and

1:45:09elsewhere you'll probably will find an

1:45:11older form of alchemy which was very

1:45:12active in those days in which they

1:45:14transmuted metals and all kinds of

1:45:16substances that art has been largely

1:45:18lost it is not a law

1:45:21totally there are secret schools would

1:45:23still operate teaching alchemy and you

1:45:27have a course now in modern scientific

1:45:29terms you had to keep a Bodi with his

1:45:31giant cyclotrons and atom smashes you

1:45:33can transmute matter on a very small

1:45:35scale and when it came to the

1:45:37development of the atomic bomb they had

1:45:39a transfer mutant matter in a large

1:45:40scale lutonium is a synthetic element it

1:45:44does not exist in the an atomic table

1:45:47but beyond of 92 elements and it is

1:45:50artificially created and they had to

1:45:52create at large and amounts and they

1:45:53gave them a great deal of trouble but

1:45:55it's modern alchemy no I wasn't I wasn't

1:46:05applying that I was merely stating that

1:46:06the conversion of uranium to plutonium

1:46:10is in essence an alchemical process

1:46:13because you were changing one element

1:46:14into another an accrued but scientific

1:46:18manner but in large amounts that is

1:46:20compared to welcoming you or converting

1:46:23it we do have the technology today to do

1:46:25this sort of thing and it's not in the

1:46:28form of the older alchemy which is a

1:46:29very difficult process to learn but it

1:46:32is real what we're now doing it what

1:46:35else are we doing that the public

1:46:37doesn't know about this is the problem

1:46:39you have a two-tiered technology you had

1:46:43maybe many tears you have had a to to

1:46:46technology for two or three hundred

1:46:47years at least radio was used earlier

1:46:51than Tesla who was given the credit for

1:46:54developing and inventing it in 1893 it

1:46:57was used as early as 1847 if not earlier

1:47:00and back to his use according to some

1:47:02reports in the Napoleonic Wars right and

1:47:08by other means to do some very fancy

1:47:11manipulation where the public and even

1:47:13the elite for the most part we're not

1:47:15told what was going on only a few key

1:47:17people knew these technology was have

1:47:20existed from ancient times and have been

1:47:22kept well-hidden they were not available

1:47:25to the masses because it didn't have the

1:47:27technological base to build them these

1:47:30may have been leftover pieces of

1:47:31hardware that may have been supplied by

1:47:32aliens and may have been

1:47:34laboratories and produced by ones and

1:47:36twos but they were made you have to have

1:47:41special technologies available on it to

1:47:43be able to continue their sense of

1:47:46control that's their feeling of power

1:47:48and every time given technology spread

1:47:52into the people to the wider population

1:47:54you have to present the next new toy for

1:47:58DME these higher levels of conspiracies

1:48:02that control the terrestrial ie they

1:48:04never leave the guys without any new

1:48:06toys it may be a new don't tell a

1:48:09submarine when everybody travels above

1:48:11surface and nobody even dreams of going

1:48:13underwater it may be a program to let

1:48:18them on the moon wait they wait before

1:48:21anybody even know select the British

1:48:24team exploration of the moon in 1897

1:48:281898 well there is an interesting story

1:48:36that went around a friend of mine

1:48:40Preston Nichols and I can't talk about

1:48:41it now because he's not only no longer

1:48:43employed he's blacklisted by the

1:48:45government totally when he was still

1:48:48working with this company i li got into

1:48:50a discussion with him about earlier

1:48:54landings on the moon and mars namely the

1:48:56alternative three story in the program

1:48:58and he says he got discussing this with

1:49:01his boss one day and the company worked

1:49:02at ail one of the divisions of it on

1:49:05Long Island and his boss looked at him

1:49:08curiously says you don't really know

1:49:10what's been going on he says you don't

1:49:11know anything about the moon

1:49:12explorations of the last century weird

1:49:16smile on his face and of course breasted

1:49:20Nichols who is not usually jog very much

1:49:23probably dropped his jaw to the floor at

1:49:25that point because that was one he was

1:49:27not ready for as much as he has been

1:49:29ready for it he says I couldn't pump

1:49:31anything out of the boss as to what

1:49:33really happened and who did it but he

1:49:35implied it was just before the turn of

1:49:37the century is a sexual exploration took

1:49:40place now we have the stories Olson we

1:49:43know about the alternative three program

1:49:45but they're also now documentaries would

1:49:47show that the Germans went to the Moon

1:49:49and Mars in 1949 with a circular foil

1:49:52aircraft probably the rest of the

1:49:55engineering and was perfected down in

1:49:57the Nautica because they prepared these

1:49:58bases in a nautic in 1939 after the two

1:50:01years of exploration and moved there

1:50:03before the war collapsed how many will

1:50:06there I don't know but the rumors and

1:50:08there were thousands of German troops

1:50:09moved into a Nautica and prepared two

1:50:11quarters they had and they continued

1:50:14their manufacturing either down the air

1:50:16or in one of the friendly South American

1:50:18countries such as Argentina as one

1:50:20example

1:50:20they finished the development they made

1:50:23the circular four layer crafts picture

1:50:26show them is quite large building and if

1:50:29you can believe this in 1943 aircraft

1:50:31circular foil designs which were 75

1:50:34metres in diameter and carried naval

1:50:37guns under the turrets underneath them

1:50:40if not naval guns panzer mounted guns

1:50:43from the trick from their tanks and

1:50:45these are photographs which are clear

1:50:48enough to show that no extraterrestrial

1:50:50vehicle is going to carry naval guns or

1:50:54tank guns well a very normal and

1:50:56recognizable terrestrial design these

1:50:59were not alien UFOs these were German

1:51:02built terrestrially built undoubtedly

1:51:05German because nobody else had the

1:51:06technology well you see pictures of this

1:51:09you see documentaries would show that

1:51:11they left and went to Moon and Mars and

1:51:1349 what else they asked questions maybe

1:51:17earlier weird did they manage to

1:51:20complete this technology where did it

1:51:22get buried where had they been where

1:51:24else have they gone beyond the Moon and

1:51:26Mars and what have they done with this

1:51:29technology here this is the big unknown

1:51:33and so this is actually the very reason

1:51:37I've been talking and researching the

1:51:39topic of German UFOs in the German

1:51:43secret space programs because my feeling

1:51:45is that all behind the scenes the United

1:51:49States and Germany during the war have

1:51:51been controlled controlled by the very

1:51:53same power center so on a wall

1:51:57all up in the conspiratorial hierarchies

1:52:00two bitter opponents and fighters

1:52:03usually their corrupt governments are

1:52:07controlled by the same power source

1:52:11during the Cold War the United States

1:52:14and the Soviet Union took part in a vast

1:52:17secret space program for exploration of

1:52:20the solar system and beyond where the

1:52:26flying saucers of the basically the

1:52:29reality that we see on to the Star Trek

1:52:31so it is very interesting to explore how

1:52:38these little conspiratorial levels go up

1:52:41through the hierarchies leave the

1:52:44material terrestrial domain in continue

1:52:48through the super material to the non

1:52:50terrestrial to the through the

1:52:54extra-terrestrial hierarchies and

1:52:56Federation's of United planets all the

1:52:59way to the highest levels of celestial

1:53:02power structures and so going back in

1:53:09time hundred years in discovering that

1:53:11there may have been a secret British

1:53:13space program and a recent private

1:53:18interview with a Russian academician

1:53:21from a secret government Research

1:53:23Institute on anti-gravity basically

1:53:26proves gives the theoretical explanation

1:53:30of how this could have been done with a

1:53:33hybrid gun rocket and anti-gravity

1:53:37technology that the British could easily

1:53:39build at the end of last century the big

1:53:42question is if the British and later the

1:53:45Germans had that much and could go to

1:53:47the Moon and Mars in 50 years ago what

1:53:51do we have now and so we naturally come

1:53:54back to the Philadelphia Experiment into

1:53:57the Phoenix project because in my

1:54:01opinion the Philadelphia Experiment is

1:54:05not only a invisibility and time travel

1:54:08but it's a teleportation it's a very

1:54:10important

1:54:10teleportation experiment where people

1:54:13can be beep beamed up and down from a

1:54:17ship to the surface of the planet and

1:54:19even more they can be beamed from one

1:54:22planet to another

1:54:23totally bypassing the rocket free or the

1:54:26source of Technology and basically

1:54:28putting the earth on par with some of

1:54:33the more advanced extraterrestrial

1:54:35technology see when the plane is have to

1:54:38use their craft in order to hop and fly

1:54:40from planet to planet and obviously some

1:54:47of these technologies were used exactly

1:54:49for that for teleportation between

1:54:50different planets and even for creation

1:54:53of these time tunnels or wormholes

1:54:56wormhole tentacles that can be attached

1:54:59to other to another planet in our solar

1:55:02system or in a different solar system in

1:55:05our galaxy basically to any point in our

1:55:07galaxy or to planets in other galaxies

1:55:10it becomes an interesting celestial

1:55:15wormhole subway system that can transfer

1:55:18bibo and objects and material to any

1:55:22point in the universe and this was the

1:55:24most astonishing fighting for me after

1:55:27our lengthy talks here without so I

1:55:31would be very glad if you can comment a

1:55:32little bit and that would be actually

1:55:34the preparation for our next stay

1:55:36because I see that we have just six

1:55:40minutes more left so if you can give a

1:55:42little summary on these aspects of the

1:55:47Phoenix project at the Philadelphia

1:55:52Experiment was really the granddaddy

1:55:54experiment that set the stage for

1:55:56everything that came after it including

1:55:58the Phoenix project but the peculiar

1:56:01part of course was that the Philadelphia

1:56:02Spearmint would not have created the

1:56:05disaster and also laid the groundwork

1:56:07for what came later for that not been

1:56:09for the Phoenix project it's a time loop

1:56:12problem which came first the chicken or

1:56:14the egg

1:56:14in terms of ordinary time the

1:56:16Philadelphia Experiment then came later

1:56:18at the Phoenix project what the Phoenix

1:56:21project missed final phase is really a

1:56:23pushed was the creation of a

1:56:26transportation system in both space and

1:56:28time which is capable of going anywheres

1:56:31in a galaxy set a person an object down

1:56:34or pick a person or an object up and

1:56:36bring it back to the station which was

1:56:39the primary one at Montauk the second

1:56:42station without a second station to

1:56:44build a planet

1:56:45no no receiver station right there was

1:56:48no receiver at the other end none was

1:56:50required well the operation was done for

1:56:53the Montauk end the technology for this

1:56:56was beyond terrestrial that was alien

1:56:57technology and there was a large

1:56:59contingent of aliens involved with the

1:57:01Phoenix project and developing the last

1:57:02phase of this the wormholes in space and

1:57:06time and aspect if any of you are

1:57:09familiar with dr. Carl Sagan and his

1:57:11books and his commentaries on black

1:57:14holes and space he talked about the

1:57:17possibility maybe even the feasibility

1:57:20someday excuse me of creating wormholes

1:57:23in space and time for travel through the

1:57:26universe without having to go through

1:57:27all of the encumbrance of large ships

1:57:30and long and tiring voyages we did it at

1:57:35Montauk it was done in the period from

1:57:361977 until the crash in 83 the project

1:57:40by the way has been replaced did crash

1:57:43in 12 August 83 because of various

1:57:45reasons and sabotage being the primary

1:57:47one but the project was moved to Germany

1:57:51West Germany is an ongoing leg of it

1:57:53their additional stations later ones p8

1:57:58and p9 is what they call them and I say

1:58:01p9 p1 was the first phase of

1:58:04Philadelphia's mind control P 2 was the

1:58:06invisibility prospect p3 was the program

1:58:09for the wormholes in space and time

1:58:11there are other enter programs where

1:58:14they made some of this equipment

1:58:15portable p7 is now on helicopters takes

1:58:20three large helicopters to do a mind

1:58:22control number over the whole city and