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Overcoming the fear of vested interest: Sanusi Lamido at TEDxYouth@Maitama

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0:12[Applause]

0:24okay hello everyone and uh good morning

0:27uh I'm very happy to be here with you uh

0:30and um this we just tell you that I'm a

0:32rather dated person I never really knew

0:34what a Tex event was um and when my

0:38daughter spoke to me about it um and

0:40said something about Youth and

0:41development I thought I'd just come here

0:43and talk about young people and job

0:45creation and the usual stuff we talk

0:47about until a group of young ladies came

0:51to me to explain that I was actually

0:53expected to speak in 16 to 18 minutes

0:58about one idea that can change the world

1:01um now that was crazy because I I don't

1:03have any ideas I can change the world

1:05and I um and the thing with young people

1:08is that they're the most difficult

1:09audience to address um I have found

1:12myself in situations where I address

1:14people of your generation and frankly

1:17the questions I get are more incisive

1:19more intelligent uh more um

1:23thought-provoking than the questions I

1:24get from people of My Generation Um at

1:27all levels and I'm actually just

1:30beginning to understand um how difficult

1:32it is for those of us who are in the

1:35analog generation to have a conversation

1:38uh with uh with our children um I have

1:41um an 8 n year-old daughter that I um I

1:45always see in the morning and um she

1:47goes to school and she comes back I've

1:49never really had serious conversations

1:50with her and and two days ago we were at

1:54the table with her sister who's about 15

1:57or 16 who then says to me you know Dad

2:00it's time for us to start talking about

2:02boys

2:04um and before I could answer this

2:09younger one who's eight or nine looks up

2:12and says you want talk to Dad about boys

2:14he won't understand he's a man he's a

2:16big boy uh now you can imagine for me I

2:21mean this wasn't the kind of

2:22conversation I had with my mother or my

2:23father so um for me having and of course

2:26the next day I had my son who's in form

2:28one talking about chromosome and X and Y

2:30cells on the table so this is a

2:33completely different world uh world for

2:35me I'm going to speak to you today about

2:38overcoming the fear of vested

2:40interests it's a topic that I have come

2:43to be engaged in mentally because I have

2:47learned in the four years or so that

2:49I've been Aja that if we understand that

2:53we may begin to unlock the key to how to

2:56change our world the world of the

2:58country in which we live and what is

3:00this

3:01country it's a country of 167 million

3:04people as you know um largest population

3:08in Africa second biggest economy on the

3:10African continent in 1960 with a per

3:14capita income that was better than

3:15higher than P income of of South Korea

3:181960 Nigeria was the preferred

3:21investment destination preferred to

3:23Japan according to us investment

3:25advisory um which has always had

3:28potential

3:30but which has never been able to realize

3:31that

3:33potential a country that specializes in

3:36exporting what it does not produce and

3:39importing what it

3:40produces one of the world's largest

3:43producers of crude oil that does not

3:45refine its own petroleum products and

3:47has to import petroleum

3:49products the world's largest producer of

3:51casava that does not produce tarch or

3:55ethanol a large tomato belt yet the

3:58world's largest import of tomato

4:01paste a country that from my childhood I

4:05have heard had the potentials for being

4:07a world power but every day we talk

4:10about potentials every day we talk about

4:12potentials today we still talk about the

4:15potentials of

4:16Nigeria and yet

4:19China Indonesia Malaysia Japan

4:24Korea

4:26Vietnam

4:28Brazil all of those countries have

4:31turned the potential that they had into

4:36reality what are these what's the one

4:39thing that if I were to ask what is the

4:42one thing that we need to do to break

4:45this barrier that faces

4:46Us in four years in Abuja I've come to

4:49the

4:50conclusion that we need to overcome the

4:53fear of vested interests and I'll talk

4:56you through a little bit of my own

4:58experiences

5:00um as governor of Central Bank and use

5:02that as a basis or as a template for

5:06what I think we need to do if we change

5:08this

5:09country I became governor of the Central

5:11Bank of Nigeria in

5:132009 and this was in the middle of a

5:16global financial

5:17crisis I came to the central bank

5:20knowing that Banks had problems and

5:23believing that these problems were

5:24caused by a global crisis by the

5:26collapse in the Capital Market the

5:28collapse in the price of oil

5:30and that they would be fixed by simply

5:33addressing the normal risk management

5:35issues in

5:37Banks and shortly after I came in and

5:41one went through

5:42investigations I discovered that the

5:44Nigerian banking

5:46system was

5:49infested with the same Corruption of the

5:53renest system in this

5:55country that a number of bank chief

5:58Executives had had taken their

6:00Banks and fleeced those Banks and

6:03literally taken away depositors money to

6:07buy property all over the country all

6:08over the

6:10world and just like people do in

6:12ministries or in government agencies or

6:14whenever they have opportunities in all

6:16companies the banks were themselves a

6:20site for rent

6:22seeking the fundamental character of the

6:25Nigerian

6:26state is that for decades since we found

6:30oil it has existed not to serve the

6:35people but as a site for rent extraction

6:39by a very small minority that controls

6:41political power and it doesn't matter

6:43whether this whe whether whe this group

6:45group comes from whether it's north or

6:47south or Muslim or Christian or military

6:50or civilian the state has always been a

6:53site for the extraction of rent with the

6:55exception of a few years that we can

6:57think of where we've had development and

6:59this is at the heart of the problems of

7:01the

7:02country now when we discovered this and

7:05I'll give you a few examples and these

7:06are well known now they've been

7:09published you know there was one chief

7:12executive

7:13officer that took away from her bank

7:16over 200 billion

7:18Nara okay that was over a billion

7:21dollars and where was this money taken

7:23to purchase of property we dis we

7:27recovered from one

7:30CEO 200 pieces of real estate in

7:35Dubai real estate in

7:38Johannesburg real estate on the PAC in

7:41Washington apart from shares in over 100

7:46companies and all of that was purchased

7:49with depositors

7:52funds we went to the court in

7:56UK on the case of another CEO we got a

8:00judgment against that CEO for 142

8:03billion

8:04Nara stolen from the bank taken to buy

8:08shares and manipulate the shares of his

8:10own institution and also transferred

8:13outside to purchase

8:16property now the first CEO we were able

8:19to convict we recovered these assets and

8:21got a six-month sentence and sorted it

8:24out the second CEO we finished our case

8:31established in Nigeria that we had a

8:32civil case in the UK had a criminal case

8:34in Nigeria established the

8:36case 2 weeks before the closing

8:39statements were made the judge was

8:41miraculously promoted to the federal

8:44court of appeal after 3 years of trial

8:47at the very end of

8:49trial because

8:52someone a very popular religious leader

8:55with hundreds of thousands of supporters

8:58carried him to political author

8:59authorities and the system that was

9:01supposed to protect depositors and

9:02handle criminals was used and

9:05manipulated to promote a judge so that

9:08he would not convict a

9:10thief now this is an example and an

9:14instance of the kinds of things that

9:16happen in a country that stop a country

9:19from reaching its full potentials but my

9:21experience with the banking

9:23reforms and how it affects the fear of

9:25vested interest was the

9:27following after we discovered things

9:29that happened in the

9:30banks the

9:33critical thing we had to do was take a

9:36decision that would pitch us against

9:39powerful political and economic

9:41forces we were dealing with Chief

9:44Executives that in

9:462009 had become

9:50invincible they were in the seat of

9:53power they had economic power and they

9:56had bought political uh political

9:58protection

10:00they were into political parties they

10:02had financed the elections of officers

10:05and they believed that nobody could

10:07touch

10:08them and every time I said it was time

10:12for us to take action people said to me

10:14you can't touch these people you'll be

10:16sacked or you can't touch these people

10:18they will kill you or you can't touch

10:21these people you can't do that and I

10:22said you know what we are going to take

10:24them

10:26on and

10:29we took the decision we're going to

10:31remove them and you know what we removed

10:33them and nothing

10:35happened we're going to prosecute

10:38them we're going to put them in jail and

10:41we put one of them in jail and we're

10:43going to recover these assets because

10:45the way the Central Bank operated in the

10:47past was these guys take all this money

10:51and the Central Bank says the bank has

10:54failed the banks that we saved had 4. 4

10:59trillion Nara in

11:01deposits they had 8 to 10 million

11:05customers but the government and the

11:07system has always bettered on the side

11:11has always bet on the side of the rich

11:13people because these 8 million customers

11:16the old woman in

11:18Boo or in Yan or in muguri who has been

11:23told to save her money and who saved

11:25money for 40 50 years wakes up one day

11:28and all her savings are

11:29gone the civil servant who work for 35

11:3240

11:33years kept his pension money in the bank

11:37the school fees of his children the

11:39medical bills wakes up one day and he

11:42finds that his bank is barricaded

11:44because the bank has failed Banks do not

11:49fail when people say banks have failed

11:52it's like seeing a man whose throat has

11:54been slit and you say the man died he

11:57did not die he was killed

12:00and those that murder the banks those

12:02that destroy these deposits have always

12:04walked away they become

12:07Senators they become

12:09Governors they become captains of

12:12industry they set up new Banks and they

12:16continue and the millions of poor people

12:19who don't have a voice that's it nobody

12:22knows the number of Nigerians who have

12:24died from failed

12:26Banks because they were sick and could

12:29no longer pay their medical bills

12:32because those bills were the money was

12:34locked up in a bank that has

12:37failed Nobody Knows the number of

12:39children whose parents could very well

12:42afford to pay their school fees who are

12:44to drop out of school because Banks were

12:47mismanaged so we use this as one

12:50instance as one example of what you can

12:53do if you're willing to confront these

12:55vested interests and deal with them and

12:57protect the poor for the first time

13:00but the banking industry is just one

13:02part of

13:03Nigeria what is happening in other

13:06areas so take the oil industry we

13:10talking about fuel

13:11subsidy in 2009 this country paid 291

13:16billion Nara as subsidy for petroleum

13:19products by 2011 this number had jumped

13:24to 2.7 trillion

13:26Nara did we start consuming me 10 times

13:30as much petrol do we have 10 times as

13:33many cars did the population of Nigeria

13:35multiply 10 times I did not believe

13:38those numbers I screamed against those

13:41numbers and people screamed of course we

13:42tried to move subsidy there was

13:44occupying Nigeria there have been

13:47investigations and what did we discover

13:50that a lot of that money never

13:53went to fuel subsidy that was consumed

13:56by

13:56Nigerians there are people in this

13:58country C that produced pieces of

14:02paper and brought to PPR and somebody

14:06stamped those pieces of paper and said

14:08they brought in petroleum products and

14:10actually paid them

14:12subsidy and those pieces of paper said I

14:15brought 30,000 metric tons on Soo ship

14:19and we discovered that that ship was

14:21nowhere near the coast of Nigeria on

14:23that

14:24date we have seen vessels that did not

14:27even exist that had been retired on

14:30bills of Len and money has been

14:33paid and you know what none of them as I

14:37speak to you has gone to

14:40jail this is the only country in the

14:42world where you have something called

14:44all

14:45theft where vessels can simply come and

14:49take crude oil and literally just um

14:54drive out of the

14:56country you see the numbers every day

14:58100,000 ,000 200,000 400,000 barrels a

15:01day nobody even knows 7.3 billion Nara

15:04how does anybody take oil in a vessel

15:08and leave a country we've got the

15:12Navy we've got

15:15nimasa we've got Security

15:17Services you've got the all companies

15:21themselves and every day we complain

15:24about the lack of development we don't

15:26have development because vested in

15:29continue to rape this country and to

15:32take the money out and the only way

15:34you're going to move from potential to

15:36reality it to stop preaching and start

15:39asking yourself how can we overcome the

15:42fear of Ved interest and how can we

15:44confront them and if there's one thing I

15:46learned from banking it is that they are

15:49not to be feared they stand on quick

15:52stand they've got only two tools they're

15:54not very intelligent people it doesn't

15:55take much intelligence to steal if they

15:56were smart they probably would not be

15:57stealing they find other things to

16:04do they have two weapons and two weapons

16:09only first

16:11is how much do you

16:15want and if you don't want anything then

16:18I'm going to destroy you if you don't

16:21want their money and if you're not

16:23afraid of them you destroy them there's

16:26nothing else in there you're more intell

16:29ENT and we've got to ask ourselves as a

16:32country how have we allowed

16:36ourselves to be reduced to a level that

16:39is so far below our potential a few

16:43weeks ago I was illegal at U's birthday

16:45at the colloquium and I spoke to young

16:47people I said we have 65 million young

16:49people in Nigeria I'll give you one idea

16:51you have 65 million youth in Nigeria

16:54what does it take for one of you to get

16:57your votes and be the president of the

16:58this

17:00country what does it take for you to say

17:03you're tired of my

17:05generation I'm going to get one

17:0940-year-old intelligent committed

17:11patriotic Nigerian and we're going to

17:14ask all the youth to vote for

17:16him what does it take for you to address

17:18this issue sector by sector identify

17:21these interests one by one and confront

17:24them why does it have to take fuel

17:27subsidy removal for us to come come out

17:29and challenge the rot that is in our

17:32country what are we afraid

17:34of we're afraid of losing the security

17:37that we have today we may not lose it

17:40today we will lose it tomorrow so if

17:43there's one thing I have one message I

17:45have for every Nigerian is to remember

17:49that the problems of this this

17:51country are enormous the solution is

17:53simple and that solution is we must

17:56overcome we must recognize that as at

17:58the heart of the problem of Nigeria at

18:01the heart of 90% of our issues from Boko

18:04Haram to religious crisis to ethnic

18:07crisis to unemployment to the lack of

18:09Education to the lack of healthare is

18:12that there are people who profit from

18:15the poverty and underdevelopment of this

18:18country and these people are called

18:20vested interests and so long as they

18:24remain entrenched and so long as we not

18:26overcome our fear of them and L them we

18:29are not going to find a solution to this

18:32problem and we're not going to reach our

18:34true potentials my time is up thank you

18:37very much

18:42[Applause]

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