N3on Gets Real About Fame, Faking His Death & His Fear of Falling Off | Curious Mike

0:00There's only one thing I faked my death.

0:01I like literally went online. I was 14.

0:03I was like, "Guys, I'm dying." I would

0:05say that's one I I I definitely regret.

0:06Few things happened like but I don't

0:07really regret them cuz [ __ ] it like

0:09taught me a lot. Like going to jail in

0:10Dubai. That made me that made me like

0:12realize that like my actions have

0:13consequences. Like this is like in jail,

0:153 days in jail. I don't care for the

0:16money. I don't the money doesn't keep me

0:17going. Like I'm not going to be popping

0:19forever. And when that stops, I'm so

0:20scared of how I'm going to feel.

0:45What's up y'all? It's Curious Mike.

0:47Today's guest is somebody who built his

0:49own lane in the internet world. Love

0:51him, hate him, or think he's completely

0:53out of his mind. He's figured out a way

0:55to get millions of people talking. He's

0:57turned streaming into a career, made

1:00headlines, and gone viral more times

1:02than I can count. Somehow, he always

1:04finds himself in the middle of something

1:06crazy. And today, we're getting into all

1:08of it. The money, the controversy, the

1:11relationships, and who he really is when

1:13the cameras turn off. Everybody, welcome

1:15Neon. Welcome back to Curious Mike. My

1:19boy Neon in the building. I appreciate

1:21you pulling up.

1:22>> Yes, sir. Um, before we get into

1:24anything, I need to know what your daily

1:28schedule is like because you texted me

1:30at 7:30 a.m. last night.

1:32>> And I know that's not when you're waking

1:33up. That's when you're going to sleep a

1:35lot of times. So,

1:35>> I slept at 9:00

1:36>> on a on a daily like on a I know

1:38yesterday might have been like an uh

1:41abnormality, but like what's your normal

1:43daily schedule like?

1:44>> It's different every time. Like usually

1:46I'm taking a a 6 a.m. flight to go to a

1:48city uh for streaming, but if I'm like

1:51in LA, wake up 11:00 a.m. like get on

1:55some calls, answer texts, respond to

1:58DMs, like my life is just stream stream.

2:00So like every second I'm doing something

2:02revolving a stream. Even when I wake up,

2:04like right off the wake, I'm like

2:05answering every text. So I'm waking up

2:07doing that.

2:08>> I'm getting on calls with my team, like

2:09just sitting on FaceTimes, on FaceTimes

2:11all day when I'm not streaming. Where

2:13does the energy like where where does

2:15that come from? Because I mean even

2:17being around you the few times I've been

2:19around you or when we text or when we're

2:20on the phone like you're so attentive to

2:23but I'm sure it's like that with so many

2:24people that you're trying to schedule

2:26out streams and schedule travel,

2:28schedule ideas. Like

2:30>> where does that energy come from to be

2:32so attentive to like each person that

2:34you have to stream with each day, each

2:36thing?

2:36>> I don't know, bro. People think I do

2:38drugs.

2:38>> It is all It's really astounding. like

2:42you have a real motor like behind you to

2:44be able to

2:45>> sleep up or switch up your sleeping

2:47schedule as often as you do and then

2:49like go to a city for a day. Like I

2:52don't understand how you do it. I really

2:53don't.

2:53>> The [ __ ] part is I I can't function off

2:55of like I need like at least eight nine

2:56hours and I can't do it. My team has

2:58been dropping like flies. Like my

2:59assistant needs needs a break. My

3:01security we have to do monthtomonth like

3:03one month on one month off. Cameraman

3:04like had to quit. Couldn't do it. Like

3:06I'm like the only one that can sit here

3:08and keep going. I mean, cuz I'm like the

3:09like I'm seeing the benefit of it,

3:10right? I I keep pushing. I keep going.

3:12But like

3:12>> I just don't want to live with regret of

3:15like me not trying my hardest and giving

3:17it my all and then I'm looking in the

3:18future and I'm like damn like what would

3:19have happened if I would have gone 130%.

3:22Cuz I don't think I'm the most

3:23entertaining streamer or like the best,

3:24but I think I'm the hardest working.

3:25Like I think out of every streamer, I

3:27work the hardest. Like I'm the most

3:29consistent. I'm always doing different

3:31[ __ ] bringing new people on, traveling

3:33to different places. Like I really feel

3:34like I have that and that's like why I

3:36found success. like that's the only

3:38thing that like separates me from

3:40others.

3:40>> Yeah. There's a saying, repetition is

3:42the mother of skill. My dad used to

3:44always tell me that repetition is the

3:46mother of skill. And he was trying to

3:47like implant in us as kids that like

3:50consistency every day with the mundane

3:52stuff, the boring stuff. That's what

3:54eventually leads to success. Like when I

3:57go to the gym and I'm just shooting

3:58jumpers all day,

4:00>> sometimes it feels boring. Like I just

4:01keep it. It feels robotic. It feels

4:03boring. But then you see like you do see

4:06um in the future how it how it pans out

4:09and how it benefits you um

4:13for your team like because they're not

4:15seeing the immediate success.

4:17>> How do you manage how do you manage

4:19that? You said they need breaks, they

4:21need um you know they need time off and

4:24you're the one that gets to keep going.

4:25Do you just cycle people in and out or

4:26how do you manage that?

4:27>> Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of it's a lot of

4:28cycling. Like a lot of people just they

4:30they they can't like they just can't

4:31hang. And I don't blame them cuz like

4:33I'm like last minute flight here, last

4:34minute flight here, we need to do this,

4:36we need to go to Japan on a 5 hour

4:37notice. Like it's just the most random

4:38[ __ ] that makes no sense. And like

4:40working with me is t it's tough, bro.

4:42And I don't blame them for like if

4:43anyone leaves or has to quit. It's not

4:45like bad blood or anything. It's just

4:46they're

4:46>> they can't take it, bro. It's a lot.

4:48It's a lot a lot a lot. And

4:50>> I don't know. I'm just I'm

4:51>> And you don't do drugs.

4:52>> No, bro. Nothing. All right. Like you

4:54saw that I just took like a um what is

4:57that [ __ ] called? A eye drops.

4:58>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

4:58>> So those eye drops I got to prescribe

5:00those that like those make your eyes

5:02open.

5:02>> So if you look tired like they like even

5:04if you are tired it won't look like

5:05>> you did come in here looking like a

5:06zombie.

5:07>> Right. And then now it's open up a

5:08little bit.

5:08>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

5:09>> So

5:10>> that comes from lack of sleep.

5:10>> I barely slept bro. I was hooping. I was

5:13at Lifetime Fitness Play.

5:14>> At what time?

5:14>> At like 8:00 a.m.

5:16>> until

5:17>> Oh no. I left at 8:00 a.m. So I was

5:19there from like 6:00 to 8

5:21>> yesterday. Like this morning after the

5:23event.

5:23>> After the event.

5:24>> Then you went to hoop. Then you went to

5:25sleep for a few hours and now you're

5:26here.

5:26>> Then I came here and then now I got to

5:27go to the eye appointment. And then I

5:28got to go stream and then I got to

5:29gamble and then yeah, [ __ ] bro. And I

5:31leave for tomorrow morning, early

5:32morning flight to Jamaica.

5:34>> That is unreal.

5:35>> Like you're saying this is unreal, but

5:36you travel so much. Like you were on the

5:38same [ __ ]

5:39>> But we really get like sleep. We try to

5:41sleep like 8 to 10 hours a day. Like we

5:42wake up, we go to the gym for a few

5:44hours. We get to come home. We get to

5:45sleep. We get to wake back up, go back

5:47to the gym if we want. Like it's a

5:48completely different grind what you're

5:49doing. It's honestly something I never

5:52>> have seen before. Why?

5:53>> No way.

5:54>> I'm serious. No, it's like a real like

5:56you you deserve to everything that has

5:59come your way, you deserve it cuz it it

6:01is

6:01>> I think Drewski was talking about this

6:03on a podcast I saw the other day. Um he

6:06was on the podcast. It was um what was

6:08it called? Uh

6:11something the CEO uh

6:14>> whatever I forget. I think Stephen runs

6:16the podcast and Drewi was just talking

6:17about how so many people talk about they

6:19want success, they want to be rich, they

6:20want to be successful, but when it comes

6:22down to it, they're not willing to put

6:25in the work of like every day feeling

6:29the same every single day like

6:32>> grinding. You know, they'll do it for a

6:33day, they'll do it for a week, but

6:34they're not willing to just keep doing

6:36it over and over and over again. And you

6:38that's obviously something you've

6:39mastered. Um,

6:40>> this was me, bro. This was like this is

6:42like five five years of like really

6:44going all in. Like I've been doing it

6:45for 11 years consistently, but like

6:47really all in like 5 years non-stop and

6:50like I just won't my mindset is I just

6:52won't stop like until I get what I want

6:54no matter what it takes. Obsession. Like

6:56I'm You're obsessed with hooping. Yeah.

6:57>> Like you're obsessed with it. You're in

6:58the gym working every day. I'm obsessed

6:59with streaming again. Like you just

7:00can't you can't get what you want. But

7:02the problem I have now, bro, is the

7:03balance. Like I just need to find like a

7:05balance between reality cuz I don't see

7:06streaming as like real life. Like

7:08streaming isn't isn't like

7:09>> it depends. I mean, if you're doing like

7:11certain [ __ ] I guess it's cool, but

7:13like streaming is like it's like a like

7:14a false reality cuz you're doing all

7:17these things for the stream, for the

7:19camera, and it's like at times it's a

7:22little bit performative, too. Like I I

7:23do feel a little corny behind the camera

7:24sometimes.

7:25>> Yeah. Well, that was that was my

7:26question. A lot of celebrities do feel

7:27like sometimes they they have to tap

7:29into this like facade or like this fake

7:32version of themselves that they portray

7:33to the media. I feel like streaming is a

7:36little bit more authentic than that

7:37because you're on there for hours and

7:39obviously you can't it's very hard to

7:40put up a you know put up a fake version

7:43of yourself for that long but obviously

7:45for the clicks and for the views and for

7:47different different reasons you know

7:50streamers are willing to go to extreme

7:51lengths and do a lot of things. Um

7:53>> so yeah how so you said it does feel

7:55corny at times. How do you how do you

7:57keep it cuz you are a very authentic

7:58person. I think that's why people rock.

8:00I think it's just like more energy on

8:01camera. Like obviously you don't want to

8:02be like, "Yo, what's up?" Like

8:03>> more energetic. But I feel like I really

8:04do like Yeah. Show me. You can't like

8:06you said, you can't fake it every day.

8:07It's impossible.

8:08>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Facts. So, what is the

8:09You talked about you're not going to

8:11stop until you reach reach that that

8:14goal that you want. What is your goal?

8:15>> That's the problem. I have no goal.

8:16That's the scary part.

8:17>> I've never had a goal. Like I don't want

8:19like I don't want to reach a certain

8:20number or do this or do that. I just

8:22want to be like the current best at what

8:25I do. I don't think I am, but I want

8:26like that's what I'm trying to achieve.

8:28>> Gotcha. And and what is the reason that

8:30it's hard for you to take breaks? Like

8:33is it is it true that if you miss a day,

8:35if you miss three days, like does your

8:37does your viewer count really go down

8:38that much or

8:39>> It doesn't. But in my head, I'm so

8:41scared of falling off cuz I fell off.

8:43Like I went to LA, I had the biggest

8:44blow up of my life. It was the quickest

8:45[ __ ] ever. Like quick, it was like me

8:47with girls and people like, "Holy [ __ ]

8:48like this is such good content." And

8:50then

8:50>> I was around the wrong people doing the

8:51wrong things and then like within like 6

8:53months I like lost like I completely

8:55fell off. Like it was bad

8:56>> really. And I it was the worst feeling

8:58in the world. I was like I built all

8:59this up for years and years. I got all

9:00of it. I got the girls, the cars, the

9:02the the money and everything. And I just

9:04like took it all for granted and and

9:05lost everything. And like people stopped

9:07giving a [ __ ] about me. Everyone hated

9:08me. It was just a terrible

9:10>> time. So I don't want to ever live that

9:11again. So like even taking a day off,

9:13two days off, like it's hard for me cuz

9:14especially the internet does move fast.

9:15Like they move very very fast. But

9:18>> I've had conversations with Aiden about

9:19this. He's like, "Bro, you need to take

9:20breaks. Like no one's going to you're

9:21not going to fall off. No one's going to

9:22forget about you." But I just keep

9:24pushing, bro.

9:25>> Yeah. as a streamer, how how do you mess

9:28up or fall off? Like you just talked

9:29about how you went through that time

9:30where it was it was a rough time. How

9:32how does that happen? Is it just you say

9:34the wrong thing on camera or you rub

9:35some people the wrong way?

9:36>> No, I mean it was like a lot of

9:38inconsistency. Like I was taking a lot

9:39of time off like I was streaming like

9:41three times a week maybe.

9:42>> Okay.

9:43>> I was smoking a lot of weed which made

9:45me like feel dumb as [ __ ] in front of

9:46the camera. Like I couldn't like think

9:47of [ __ ] to say. I just like groggy. Just

9:50felt stupid.

9:50>> Yeah. Um, and then just like I was in a

9:53like really locked in relationship, so

9:54like I wasn't able to do a lot of

9:55things. I was also doing [ __ ] for like

9:57shock factor, like saying [ __ ] doing

9:59[ __ ] which led me nowhere. So I was

10:02just doing whatever it took.

10:03>> What are the habits that you've like

10:05learned to implement into your life that

10:07kind of kind of gives you that

10:08consistency? Like what are the things

10:10that you stay away from and what are the

10:12things that you've kind of like done in

10:14order to just stay the same person, stay

10:16creative? Like what is your habits like

10:18that have?

10:19>> Bro, the thing about me is I'm the least

10:20creative person ever. Like I can't think

10:22of [ __ ]

10:23>> for our stream. We we were we were

10:24coming up with [ __ ] on the spot, right?

10:26Like I can't think

10:27>> like I can if you give me an idea,

10:29execute, make it good. But like I can't

10:30think of [ __ ] bro. But habits I would

10:33say like the biggest thing I learned

10:34probably is like don't have the wrong

10:35girl around you. Like that will kill

10:37everything. Like everything. Like

10:39>> toxic [ __ ] the arguing, like having a

10:41stream all day and then you come back to

10:42an argument. Oh, why are you doing this?

10:44Why are you out so late? Why are you

10:45doing like I'm just working like working

10:46for us, you know? But

10:48>> the Yeah. The wrong girl can really I

10:49mean, you know, it's the wrong

10:50>> I think that the wrong kill everything.

10:52>> Yeah. Uh a female can literally be the

10:55biggest blessing in your life or it can

10:56be the cause of of your downfall. And I

10:59feel like a lot of dudes have have the

11:01wrong had the wrong girl around them and

11:03it and then their life gets ruined

11:06because of it. So you experienced that

11:08where you were in a toxic situation at

11:09one point?

11:10>> It was toxic. It was like shout out to

11:12her by the way. Um, but it was just,

11:14yeah, a lot of like things that didn't

11:17we didn't agree on. A lot of arguments,

11:19a lot of a lot of stuff like that. So,

11:20>> really,

11:20>> it just Yeah. I mean, bro, women are

11:22people everyone's downfalls, bro. It's

11:23[ __ ] I've heard so many stories, bro.

11:25>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

11:26>> I'm scared. I'm so scared. Like, I don't

11:27want to like I don't know. Like, I'm

11:29like I I would love to have that girl to

11:31like just rely on and go after a long

11:33stream and like sit and talk to and it's

11:35just like [ __ ]

11:37>> Well, I'm sure they're all after you. I

11:38mean, how do you at this point when

11:40>> What are your DMs like, bro? [ __ ]

11:42hell.

11:42>> No, but like I mean obviously anyone who

11:45has some money or some success um

11:48experienced this, but like

11:50>> um how do you decipher what people are

11:54around you for? Like especially women

11:56like how do you decipher? You never will

11:58know what this person know, bro.

11:59>> You'll never know if if they think

12:01you're handsome or think you're cool or

12:02if they just want you for your platform

12:04and for the money and for the

12:06>> Yeah. fame. It's impossible cuz girls

12:08fake it for years and years and years

12:09and they're so good and manipulative and

12:11not all of them but like there's just

12:12like certain ones and they're very smart

12:14and they played the game and they did

12:15this with another guy before and like

12:16it's just like

12:17>> they a lot of them know what they're

12:19doing. That's why like

12:20>> the in the US maybe go to another

12:22country.

12:22>> Well, I think that's why like the most

12:24successful relationships for famous

12:26people,

12:27>> they got with the girl before they blew

12:28up. It's it's very Yeah. I mean, it's

12:30very hard to like meet someone when

12:32you're in this position

12:33>> and then know their intentions cuz like

12:35you said, women can be very slick and

12:37sly.

12:38>> Yeah, bro. Before the camera, like

12:40before I went to LA, I didn't even I' I

12:42didn't even like really hug a girl,

12:43never kissed a girl, nothing. I was 18.

12:45>> Nothing. So, like finding a girl before

12:47any of this [ __ ] impossible.

12:48>> Yeah.

12:48>> They all like the camera's in front of

12:49your face, that's when all these girls,

12:51the only fans girls like, "Oh, you're

12:53you're a walking billboard and we come

12:54to you and do all these things." Like

12:55it's like like my whole my relationship

12:57I think it was genuine. It was like a

12:59two-year relationship. It was it was

13:00genuine. We did love each other, but

13:01like it was very it was very artificial

13:03at first. Like we were doing streams on

13:04camera. Like she she knew exactly what

13:06she was doing to try to get me to like

13:07her. Like she was buying me [ __ ] like

13:08doing all these things. So girls are

13:10smart, but then it turned into something

13:12good.

13:12>> Well, yeah. I I was kind of wondering

13:14that just in your in your relationships

13:15in general, not just with uh females,

13:17but even with like the people you have

13:20on stream, the people around you, how

13:22because your life is very like um all

13:26about it's kind of like using each other

13:30in a way like you use people on the

13:31stream for views, but then they're using

13:33you for a platform.

13:35>> How is your life like how do you even

13:37have a what's your circle like? Like

13:40your inner circle? How do you know that

13:42people are really rocking with you for

13:43you? Is it like cuz obviously like me

13:45and you are boys now and I've I've I've

13:48realized how genuine you are and we've

13:49always had cool conversations and

13:50whatever, but at the end of the day like

13:52>> a lot of people that are approaching you

13:54that want to get on your stream or you

13:55want on their stream. It is a very like

13:57taking

13:58>> dynamic like they're taking from you,

14:00you're taking from them. How do you know

14:01if people really rock with you? And like

14:04outside of the streaming, do you have a

14:06close group of friends? I think bro I

14:08just mainly talked to my team which have

14:10like now become my friends like I'm cool

14:11like like really good friends my manager

14:13my creative director all them like like

14:15friends like we don't talk about just

14:16just content [ __ ] and everything I' I'd

14:18say like probably like two people

14:19outside of that

14:20>> that's it I have such a tight circle but

14:22like going back to what you said about

14:23like the genuine genuiness on stream

14:25like all right if I'm DMing someone to

14:26get on stream it's not like they're

14:28obviously seeing something out of it too

14:29like we're both it's like a you know

14:30we're both trying to get something out

14:31of it it's like

14:32>> there was a situation with Mark Wahberg

14:34where um he was like having streamers

14:36come on and do all these things. Um, and

14:38then there's a guy named Lacy, another

14:40streamer. He

14:41>> was like, "Oh, I don't want to do it if

14:42it's not genuine or all this stuff." But

14:43like me and Mark Wahlberg did the

14:44stream. Now we have like a really close

14:46relationship. We're doing a movie.

14:48>> Like I'm cool with like me and me and

14:49his son went to um to Ryan's fight

14:51together.

14:52>> Like the genuine relationship came from

14:54us meeting for the first time. Even

14:56though it wasn't like organic or genuine

14:58at first, like we were just obviously

14:59like he wanted me on his thing. I really

15:01wanted him on mine. Mhm.

15:02>> So, it's like, you know, mutually

15:03beneficial, but then in the end, like,

15:05yeah, organic relationships do like come

15:06from it. Just from facts. Um, before

15:11>> I say this about people that go on

15:12reality shows, like they they they go on

15:15a show as a regular person, they don't

15:17have their phone on the show, and then

15:18they come off and they're all of a

15:19sudden famous, and people want to be

15:20around them, people want to kick it with

15:22them, people want to be seen with them.

15:23That has to be so strange for you. Like

15:28growing up and grinding for years and

15:30years before you kind of like blew up

15:31and became famous and who you are today.

15:34Like was that kind of a slow process for

15:37you or did it just like kind of

15:38overnight your life turned around?

15:41>> It was so slow until it wasn't like it

15:44was slow for like eight years like

15:46consistently uploading. I was making

15:48thumbnails like doing whatever it took

15:49like like you know Duke Dennis.

15:51>> Yeah. I I made a few of his thumbnails.

15:52Like I learned Photoshop. I was like, "I

15:54need to network. I need to meet these

15:55people. Let me DM them and offer them

15:56free thumbnails." I was doing whatever

15:57it took. Nothing worked. I was like

15:59posting day in day out. If like if you

16:00look at my channel, like it's everything

16:01still up consistently. And then like I

16:03was like like overnight it was just

16:05weird. Like I was in LA. I was like

16:08around the right people. Sky Bri uh you

16:09had Sky Bri on, right?

16:11>> Yeah. Yeah. A couple few episodes ago.

16:13She's actually a really cool girl.

16:13>> She's hella cool, right? You would never

16:15think she does porn.

16:16>> Yeah. You really wouldn't. Honestly, you

16:17really wouldn't.

16:18>> I don't think she does it anymore. But

16:20um yeah, then overnight was just like

16:22Aiden was watch partying me. Like shout

16:23out to him. Like without Aiden pushing

16:25me, like I was like done streaming. I

16:27took a year off. He pushed me and like

16:28forced me to come to Miami and do all

16:29these things.

16:30>> Like without Aiden I wouldn't and I

16:31tried to like every time I talk about

16:33like my come up I would always give him

16:34credit cuz without him I would not

16:36>> be here at all cuz he didn't have to do

16:37what he did. Like he was Aiden

16:39regardless but he just brought me with

16:40him and helped me and then I used the

16:42tools he gave me to like you know do

16:43what I can. But

16:44>> it was weird. Overnight we did a stream.

16:46It was me, Skyree, uh, a girl named

16:48Brekie Hill, and then it was Sneo.

16:50>> We I rented out a a house in um, in the

16:52hills,

16:52>> and then we did like hot tub, lie

16:54detector, everything. And that like my

16:56my views that stream like 10xed.

16:58>> Wow.

16:58>> And then after that, like it

16:59consistently stayed there for like

17:02months and months and months. It was

17:03just, it was so random and weird. And

17:05like that stream, this how like

17:07dedicated I was. Like I was on a flight.

17:08I was on a JetBlue flight going like

17:10back home. And then this stream came up.

17:12I got a text from me. I was like, "Do

17:13you want to do?" They were like, "Do you

17:14want to do this?" the like the doors

17:16were closed and everything. I walked off

17:17the flight and like I made a whole like

17:20tantrum about it. Like I was like, I

17:21need to get off this flight. Get me off

17:23this flight. I want a refund. Get me off

17:24this flight. I need to go. Emergency.

17:25And they like they opened the doors. I

17:26walked off the flight and then went to

17:27do the stream.

17:28>> Wow. That's crazy. I mean, we talk about

17:30your grind now, but

17:32>> when you were coming up before you were

17:33big time and you were uploading every

17:35single day and getting no views. I think

17:36I saw something you said about how you

17:38were even making is it true you were

17:41like making accounts and commenting on

17:42your own videos and trying to like push

17:44your own self.

17:45>> I don't know where I saw that but I was

17:47like

17:47>> that's true. I've never heard someone

17:48say that

17:49>> really. Yeah. I I saw that somewhere I

17:51think and I was like I was like I

17:53respect it because well I w Okay. I

17:55watched a documentary called Fake Famous

17:58one time and it was about how like

18:00>> a normal person can get a social media

18:02account and they can almost like they

18:05can like um buy their followers, they

18:07can do all these things to to look like

18:08they're someone and then brands will

18:10start giving them free things and then

18:12they actually look like they are someone

18:13and then eventually they really are

18:15someone. So your story is unique because

18:18for a while you were so like you had

18:20this dream and this idea in your mind

18:22and you were so dedicated on doing it

18:24day after day you were failing per se.

18:26You were failing like not a ton of you

18:28weren't where you wanted to be

18:29>> but you still woke up the next day had

18:32the same mentalities had the same

18:33mindset. You were so dedicated that you

18:35were commenting on your own videos.

18:36>> That's crazy. You know that I had 20

18:38YouTube accounts. 20.

18:39>> That's that's after every upload every

18:40day.

18:40>> Explain that mindset cuz that's that's

18:42rare. Like I don't think some a lot of

18:44people are that dedicated to the cause.

18:46>> I think bro I was just like I I was just

18:48obsessed with wanting it so bad. Like

18:50back then my my parents wouldn't even

18:52let me watch YouTube. I had to use a

18:53VPN. My mom was like at some point in my

18:55life she's like if you're going to be

18:56under a roof like you're not doing any

18:57of the streaming stuff, any of this

18:58whatever. And then like I would secretly

19:00do it. Like there's been so many times

19:01where like it was like [ __ ] like should

19:03I be doing this? Is this even possible

19:04anymore? But like I just kept kept

19:05pushing. But like for that yeah just

19:06made hella counts. I was like bro no

19:08one's commenting my videos. I'm going

19:09comment my own videos and make it look

19:10like

19:10>> be your own biggest.

19:11>> Make it look like people [ __ ] with me.

19:13Like one comment's like, "What a great

19:14video." One another comment's like,

19:16"Holy [ __ ] you're so good." Like I was

19:17cuz I'm playing 2K. So just a bunch of

19:19different variations and I would switch

19:20them up every video. I was deep in, bro.

19:22>> Wow. And Okay. So you're living at the

19:24house at this point with your parents,

19:25right?

19:26>> Yeah.

19:26>> What are they thinking of like your your

19:28your your life choices? Are you going to

19:30school at this time and this is like

19:32what you're doing in your free time or

19:34kind of what was the dynamic with your

19:35parents? And and then I want to know

19:36like how it is now.

19:37>> Yeah. Yeah, it all started cuz I was

19:38very sick. Like I was really sick. I

19:39wasn't going to school. Um I have

19:41Crohn's disease. It's like a um what's a

19:44like a lot of inflammation in my

19:45stomach. So

19:45>> maybe that gives you your energy.

19:47>> No, no, bro. The opposite. People my

19:50with my disease are supposed to be tired

19:52and and get like fatigued quick. And the

19:54medicine I take a weekly medicine that

19:56like kills my immune system. Kills it.

19:58So like all all these flights,

19:59everything I should be like I get sick a

20:00lot. Yeah.

20:01>> Like I should be dead. Like not dead,

20:02but like I should be like so tired every

20:04second. Like the the I'm supposed to be

20:06tired

20:07>> and you're not.

20:08>> I'm not. It's [ __ ] It's I've been

20:10wanting to do Adderall so bad. I'm not

20:11doing it. I'll never do it. But like,

20:12bro, I just want to see like how I would

20:14if I would have this much energy

20:15naturally would be done.

20:17>> It would be over. But yeah, I was really

20:19really sick growing up in and out of the

20:20hospital. Like it was to a point where I

20:22couldn't even go to school. Like I it

20:23was really bad and I just had a lot of

20:24free time. My mom was running a

20:25monastery at the time. So I'd go to the

20:27monastery during the day um not even do

20:29work. Like I'm like I'm really dumb.

20:30Like I have I have an education up to

20:32like ninth grade and like even up to nth

20:34grade was like barely did [ __ ]

20:36>> So like I don't really like books smarts

20:38I suck. But yeah I I was really sick so

20:40I had a lot of time. I had a lot of free

20:41time. I was like all right I have a

20:42passion for gaming. Let me try to do

20:44this and do all these things. At first

20:45my parents were so supportive. They're

20:46like they felt bad like I was sick. No

20:48friends nothing. They're like okay

20:49>> go do what you want to do whatever. And

20:50at some point I started to get a like

20:52see a little bit of traction and then

20:53like I was doing like I was in Discord

20:55girls saying [ __ ] like like me and Sky

20:56Bree like she was one of the first girls

20:57to come on. She was like [ __ ] deep

20:59throating the mic and doing all this

21:00[ __ ] And my parents were like, "This is

21:01a bad representation of our family. What

21:03are you doing?" And then my sister's

21:04friends

21:05>> would be like, "Oh, your brother's a

21:06[ __ ] weirdo." And all these things.

21:08And then I got to a point, yeah, my mom

21:10just sat down with me and she's like,

21:11"Like, like, you need to like, you need

21:12to go to school. You need to go to

21:13college. You need to stop doing the

21:15streaming stuff. Like, it's not going to

21:16work." My dad a businessman. Like, you

21:17always saw the numbers behind it.

21:18There's no money coming in. So, he also

21:20was like, he didn't care about the

21:21content, but he was like, "You're not

21:22making money. This makes no sense."

21:23>> I got a Facebook deal, Facebook gaming

21:25deal. Like, it was like $10,000 a month.

21:27I was like 16. my that's when my dad

21:29started getting on board

21:30>> and he was like wow okay you can make

21:32some money out of this like let's see

21:33what you can do my mom still fully

21:35against it no you can't do it I just

21:36kept going like I was like cuz my mom

21:38loved me so much she wasn't going to

21:39kick me out but she was mad at me every

21:41day like so mad like just pissed seeing

21:43these clips seeing what I do I can't

21:46>> and then at one point I just went out

21:48did my own thing saw a lot of success

21:50and now like they're happier than ever

21:51like really

21:52>> and like where I'm from they're like

21:53everyone's so happy and proud of me and

21:55all these things my sister's friends are

21:56now like holy [ __ ] that's your other

21:58like it's like crazy.

21:59>> It's entirely different. But it was

22:00hard. Yeah. I mean, I'm brown, bro. It's

22:01like they don't My mom took me like

22:03forced me to go to college campuses and

22:04take tours and in my head I'm like

22:05knowing I'm not going to [ __ ] go to

22:07any of these.

22:07>> I just I find it so intriguing like how

22:10many things were stacked against you.

22:12Like the fact that you grew up not being

22:14the healthiest kid, your parents weren't

22:16with it, you were seeing no views.

22:17>> Yeah.

22:18>> You definitely had like a real

22:20>> different type of like drive to even

22:24[ __ ] Like everything was against me. I

22:26think what really helped me too, bro,

22:27>> is I like for a year straight, I would

22:29pray non-stop. I would like sit there,

22:31cry, and pray like,

22:32>> "God, please make me one of the biggest

22:34streamers. Make everything come to me.

22:36Give me everything I ever wanted." And I

22:38think that like that's one of the big

22:39reasons that I'm even I even came here

22:42cuz right that was the year before I

22:44like had my first blowup and I went out

22:46and did that stream that I told you

22:47about the the the Skyree stream and all

22:49that stuff.

22:50>> But then like I feel like I've lost it a

22:51lot though. Like I've been like there's

22:53been times where I got lost in the sauce

22:55bad. Like I don't think I'm completely

22:57lost in the sauce right now, but those

22:58first two years in LA, blackout. I don't

23:00remember a thing.

23:01>> That's so crazy. Yeah. How much of a how

23:03much of a character is Neon? Like how

23:06how much is it is it you and how much is

23:09it like the like we've talked about the

23:11persona people put out. How much

23:14>> a lot, bro. A lot. A lot. Like just like

23:17completely different person like doing

23:19whatever the [ __ ] it took. But it was

23:20never what I wanted to do. Like it took

23:21me like a lot of time to realize it and

23:23a lot of mistakes. But like bro, having

23:24people like you on like that that's my

23:26passion. Like sports, I [ __ ] love

23:28sports. I've always loved sports. Love

23:29gaming. So like bringing NBA players on,

23:31NFL players, boxers, UFC fighters, it's

23:33been my like it was my dream to do stuff

23:35like that. But I just never

23:36>> so scared to take the risk of like not

23:38doing the shock factor content that made

23:40everyone freak out and like the the the

23:41[ __ ] crazy headliner headline

23:43captions like the Jack Dhy [ __ ]

23:45>> You know what that is?

23:46>> Yeah. Yeah.

23:46>> So like I was like it was me and him

23:48were right next to each other. That's

23:48how bad it got. Like I was right with

23:50him. now. Like I feel like it's entirely

23:51different.

23:52>> I mean, you're you're I'm I'm I'm glad

23:54that you didn't kind of go down that

23:56path cuz I know especially as you're

23:58starting to get views, you're coming up,

23:59you're starting to see some success.

24:01Like the dopamine that comes from that.

24:03>> Honestly, part of part of the reason you

24:05probably have so much energy and drive

24:06is like the, you know, it's a constant

24:09dopamine cycle of you like of the clips

24:12going viral, you getting bigger and

24:13bigger and bigger. Probably keeps

24:14pushing you. But at the same time, we

24:17talked about this on your on your stream

24:20that people started attaching this label

24:21to you that that it seemed like you sold

24:24your soul. Yeah.

24:24>> Different things like that. Um

24:27>> why do you think that people put that

24:28like label on you? Is it because you

24:30rose so quick? Um or people also call

24:33you a plant at times or different

24:34things? Like where do you think that

24:35comes from?

24:35>> Cuz they think I came out of nowhere.

24:36I'm going to show you this video. I

24:37don't know if your people could see it,

24:38but I was watching it this morning.

24:40>> To really be motivating me right now,

24:41y'all. All these comments say my channel

24:43is dead, y'all. Okay, I understand my

24:46channel is dead. Okay, let me grind and

24:50let me go crazy. I'm trying. I know I've

24:52been doing this YouTube stuff for over

24:53years kind of demotivating that like

24:54people start stopping supporting me.

24:57It's all right though, y'all. We're

24:57going to keep grinding. Hopefully, you

24:59know, God God is great. God is great.

25:01Hopefully everything will be fine. I

25:03don't know if it'll take months, years.

25:05I don't know what will happen. I don't

25:06know what the future is in my channel,

25:07though.

25:08>> I was so deep that I wanted it so bad,

25:10bro.

25:12>> That's amazing though. Like honestly,

25:14does when you look back at stuff like

25:15that, does it make you like kind of

25:16emotional and thankful at the same time

25:18or what do you feel?

25:19>> You know what's crazy? It's the first

25:20time I've actually sat down memory lane

25:22and like thought of like everything that

25:24I've had to overcome to even get here.

25:26>> Yeah,

25:27>> it's a lot. But like Yeah, the planet

25:28shits like those comments on there.

25:29They're like, "Oh, wow." Like he's he's

25:31been doing this for like since a kid.

25:33>> I've had different errors like Fortnite

25:34era, Ronnie 2K Sun.

25:35>> Yeah. People can't say nothing when they

25:37see that. That's just that's dedication.

25:39And there's a lot of there's like

25:40probably 10 videos like that of me just

25:41like going online saying I'm sad because

25:43I'm not getting views and like I'm going

25:44to keep trying and like

25:45>> Yeah. Bro,

25:46>> what is the what do you think the

25:47biggest misconception people have about

25:49you is?

25:50>> That I'm a piece of [ __ ] cuz like

25:52there's been so many times like people

25:54people will like talk to me off camera

25:55and like even my driver was saying this

25:56yesterday. He was like, "Bro, after the

25:5715 years of me driving, you're the most

25:59genuine person that I've been around.

26:00And I've driven a bunch of people and

26:02there's been times where like I've met

26:03someone, I'm very nice to them, have a

26:04good conversation and like they've

26:05they're like some big shot person in

26:07some type of industry that like have

26:08helped me and they're like I only helped

26:09you cuz you didn't know who I was and

26:10and you were nice to me. I just I feel

26:12like I'm really I'm I'm feel like I try

26:14to be a really good person. Like

26:15obviously there's times where like a bad

26:16day or whatever, but like a lot of

26:18people think cuz my old [ __ ] they think

26:19I'm a piece of [ __ ] They think I'm a

26:20dick. They think I'm like some [ __ ]

26:22But like when they really meet me

26:23they're like everyone says the same

26:24thing. Oh wow. Like that's that's not

26:26you. That's not who you are. You're

26:27actually a cool person.

26:28>> So but that's going to stick with me

26:29forever. And I had to realize, it took

26:31me a lot to realize, but like these

26:32people will never like me. Like that

26:33side of the internet that that says all

26:35these things and feels a certain way

26:37about me, they'll never like me.

26:38>> Yeah. What is I mean, you talk about

26:41like, you know, the the misconceptions

26:44people have. Obviously, at some point in

26:47your journey, there were things that

26:48caused people to think that. What are

26:49some of the like mistakes you feel like

26:51as you were coming up that you you would

26:53take back or some of the things you did?

26:54I know you said you you did some things

26:55for for shock factor and and different

26:58things, but what are what are some

26:59specific things you think?

27:01>> I'd say one thing I would take. There's

27:02only one thing. I faked my death.

27:04>> I like literally went online. I was 14.

27:06I was like, "Guys, I'm dying. I don't

27:08know what's going to I want to Bro, I

27:09was so deep in about this shit."

27:11>> Wait, I think I remember seeing this,

27:13bro.

27:13>> Yeah, bro. It's It [ __ ] resurfaces

27:15every year.

27:16>> I think I remember seeing it back then,

27:18though. Like way back in the day, I

27:19think. And then and then what happened

27:20was Duke Dennis saw a like I I was at a

27:23Rockets game, a Houston Rockets game and

27:24then the like they were showing a

27:25Carmelo Anthony highlight and I was in

27:27the back of the highlight sitting down

27:28and that's how everybody knew you were

27:29Duke Dennis posted it and they're like

27:31this kid's not really dead

27:33>> and then this guy named Solmanati

27:34YouTuber.

27:34>> Yeah, Solomon. He was the only YouTuber

27:38I watched.

27:38>> Shout out to Solomon, bro.

27:39>> Solumati. He was like the big and the

27:40most like Yeah. the most

27:42>> he like his conspiracies and stuff. I

27:44would I would listen to all his stuff.

27:45>> He be talking. Um, but then he made a

27:48whole video that went crazy talking

27:50about the whole thing, doing a whole

27:51breakdown. You know what's crazy? Even

27:52back then I like I was itching my neck a

27:54lot. He's like he thought I did coke

27:55too. I was 14

27:56>> really.

27:57>> But um I would say that's one I I I

27:59definitely regret. Um there's a few that

28:02like few things I haven't like but I

28:04don't really regret them cuz [ __ ] it

28:05like taught me a lot. Like going to jail

28:06in Dubai.

28:08>> Um that made me that made me like

28:10realize that like my actions have

28:11consequences. Like this is really in

28:12jail. Three days in jail. Yeah. Cuz I I

28:14was filming illegally in the wrong spot.

28:15That's a long story, bro. It was like,

28:16>> yeah, you don't want to get in trouble

28:17in Dubai.

28:18>> No, but now I'm so tapped into them,

28:20they love me. Shout out to everyone from

28:21Dubai. Yeah, they're they're great

28:22people. But it was just a whole

28:23misunderstanding. I was I didn't I

28:24thought I was allowed to film there. I

28:25wasn't. I got arrested at the airport 6

28:28a.m. Handcuffed in the airport, go in a

28:31holding cell in the airport, and then

28:32they take me in like a transport vehicle

28:33with a bunch of people that don't know

28:34English. It It felt like a real life

28:36movie.

28:36>> Really, that [ __ ]

28:37>> I almost got arrested in um going to

28:39Cabo. I flew private and I accidentally

28:41brought some some weed in my backpack

28:42from someone that worked for me

28:44>> and they they found it in the scanner,

28:46bro. I thought it was wraps. You don't

28:48want to There's certain countries you

28:49don't

28:51>> um someone like from the jet company or

28:52my agent or someone called someone and

28:54then they just dropped it. But they all

28:56the people all the police were like,

28:58>> "Oh, the police.

28:59>> You're going to jail. If you want to get

29:02out of this situation, just try to bribe

29:05whoever is bringing you to the jail and

29:06they might let you go." I'm tripping,

29:08bro. This is like 2 years ago.

29:10>> Oh, it's recent.

29:11>> Yeah, it's recent.

29:12>> Your hoop. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They

29:14dropped it and I was so I was so happy.

29:16I thought it was going to be like Jello.

29:18>> Um, you know, when Jello got stuck in

29:20China, I thought it was Yeah, that was a

29:21bad situation. Um,

29:23>> yeah. I Damn, I didn't see you. You put

29:25that under the rug. You didn't really

29:26>> No, no, no, no. I I mean that I think I

29:28mentioned that on um

29:29>> I didn't see no bleacher report at

29:31>> No, because it was like it was it never

29:33became a big thing, but I was very close

29:34to the D. That would have been

29:36>> I would have had a mug shot cuz the [ __ ]

29:37they already Yeah. [ __ ]

29:39>> You have a mug shot? Did they do mug

29:40shots?

29:40>> No, they didn't.

29:41>> They didn't.

29:41>> Cuz they put me It was like a I was in

29:44the like the jail area. They put me in

29:46like a hold the holding area, but it

29:47didn't it felt like actual jail. Like

29:48there was like felt like a set, bro.

29:49Like bunk beds, the main area where

29:51everyone's at. Like it felt like like

29:53jail.

29:53>> You were really Yeah, you were in there.

29:55Who was So you were like there for 3

29:56days?

29:57>> Three days.

29:58>> And were you like losing your mind?

29:59>> No.

30:00>> You were chilling?

30:00>> Yeah, I was chilling.

30:01>> Really?

30:01>> Yeah, I was chilling. The the the the

30:03guard that like worked the front, it was

30:04like a dad and a son. The son knew me.

30:06He made sure I was good. Um, I was like

30:08calling my parents through the the jail

30:09phone like just talking like it was I

30:11was prepared to be there for weeks

30:12because the stories I was hearing in

30:13there like it was like [ __ ] people

30:14really get stuck here.

30:15>> Yeah, that's crazy. Um, I mean there's

30:18there's a lot of creators that seem to

30:20have I don't know if it's real beef,

30:22fake beef. I don't know if you guys

30:24really got like things going on with

30:27each other, but I've seen like people

30:29just talk about you or different things.

30:31What is like a streamer or a content

30:33creator that you definitely have some

30:35tension with?

30:36almost all of them, bro.

30:37>> Why though?

30:38>> But it's not it's like one-sided. Like

30:39they hate me for like not even like cuz

30:42they don't really care about the past.

30:42They don't care about the [ __ ] I did,

30:43but they cater to their audience so

30:45hard. And if they see a clip of me or

30:47they like they troll about me, they're

30:48like Twitch chat will get happy and get

30:50be like W. Oh my god, [ __ ] Neon. L Neon,

30:53>> but like it's Yeah. A lot I don't really

30:54[ __ ] with streamers, bro. Like that's

30:56why a lot of my stuff I don't I don't

30:57collab with streamers.

30:58>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I saw on

30:59Twitter one time, even after we did our

31:01stream together, Sneo was on there

31:03saying something about our conversation

31:05we had on religion and we were just like

31:06having a respectful conversation and I

31:09was explaining, you know, why I believe

31:10what I believe. And obviously, you're

31:12not like a

31:13>> a religious scholar. You're not supposed

31:15to know every single argument of why you

31:18believe what you believe.

31:20>> You were just listening and being

31:21respectful. And I saw Sneo said

31:24something about our conversation. Yes,

31:27that's someone who's like

31:28>> Yeah. Like, why is he always talking so

31:29negatively about people?

31:31>> I've I've I've known him for a while,

31:33years and years. We went on a a really

31:34big run together, streaming run. This

31:36one like before he was on his like

31:37religion arc, and he was like with girls

31:39doing a bunch of [ __ ] whatever. But

31:40like the thing I'll never understand

31:41about him is is he is like he throws his

31:44friends under the bus. And I don't know

31:46if it's for views or if like what it has

31:47to be for views, but it's like every

31:49relationship that he's had, me, Aiden,

31:51everything like it's all been ruined and

31:53tarnished because he just comes for

31:54everyone. And like if he's pushing like

31:56Islam and like our religion, like push

32:00it. But I think he like scares people

32:02away because he's so extreme and is so

32:04harsh and and says all these crazy

32:06things and says crazy [ __ ] on top of

32:08that that aren't religious stuff to like

32:09just make us look crazy. It's like I

32:11don't know if his intentions right, but

32:12he's doing everything wrong. Like

32:14everything he does is wrong.

32:15>> Yeah. Well, I'm just confused. Like if

32:17you're a religious person, I I know it's

32:19like this in the Christian faith, but I

32:20would hope so in the Islam faith as

32:22well. like you're not supposed to just

32:25approach people like or like say such

32:28derogatory things towards people like he

32:30he listened to our conversation and then

32:32he was reacting to it and calling us

32:33retards and blah blah blah blah blah.

32:35I'm like if you're a religious dude

32:37there's no I'm sure there's nowhere in

32:38the Quran that talks about how like to

32:40be so like

32:41>> we're not supposed to judge people

32:42>> disrespectful and judge.

32:43>> He says in there you you're not you

32:44cannot judge anyone and he sits there

32:46and judges people on stream every day.

32:48>> That's what I was confused about and I

32:49don't know much about Sneo. I saw his

32:51reaction to our conversation and a

32:52couple other things. I think him and

32:54Myron Gains I saw a conversation they

32:56had uh is that his name?

32:58>> Yeah, Myin.

32:58>> They had a conversation and they were

32:59cuz I think they're both Islam and and

33:01Myron was saying that the reason that

33:03people are getting turned off

33:04>> to what Sneo was saying is because of

33:06the way he goes about it. I didn't know

33:08if that was just

33:09>> his actual personality or like he he's

33:11doing it to but it's just so derogatory.

33:13Like you don't need to call people

33:15>> having a respectful conversation. You

33:16don't need to call them retards. you

33:18don't need to. And I was just like, is

33:19that I don't know what it says in the

33:21book, but he comes he comes at people

33:23like really even Steiny. My boy Steiny

33:24was like

33:26>> Yeah. Yeah. He said he got behind said

33:28him and Sneo got their little their

33:30little beef. And I just I know you have

33:31a relationship with Sneo from back in

33:33the day and I was just wondering like

33:34why is he coming at people like that?

33:37>> Yeah. I mean, bro, like I said, he's

33:39going against like the proper way to do

33:40it. And like I'll never understand the

33:42bashing your friends. Like if you know

33:43your friends wrong, like he says I'm

33:45like a representation of of of my

33:47religion, which like that makes sense,

33:48right? Like I'm part of a religion. I

33:50don't go around saying, "Oh, I'm Muslim.

33:51I'm Muslim." Whatever. But people know I

33:53am. So like I do need to do better of

33:55like, you know, doing the right things

33:56and showing the right stuff. But the

33:59like he just bashes online publicly and

34:01that's what I'm against. Like if you

34:02really feel a way about something, you

34:04tell me personally and if like I'm not

34:05listening, you keep telling me or just

34:06like leave it. But like publicly doing

34:08it so that like you can get some Twitter

34:10clips and all this stuff like it just

34:12doesn't

34:12>> Yeah. Cuz judging other people and also

34:14being prideful yourself like he comes

34:16off very arrogant and prideful.

34:18>> It is bro.

34:18>> And I think that's probably a bigger sin

34:20than the people that you are judging.

34:23Yes. The people that you're looking at

34:24and the way that they talk and the way

34:25that they do things, they might be

34:26wrong, but like being prideful about who

34:29you are and being arrogant and like

34:31judging, that's even that's even worse.

34:33You know, in in the Bible, I don't know

34:34if this is similar in Islam, it talks

34:36about like removing the speck in your

34:39own eye before you or remove the log in

34:41your own eye before you try to remove

34:42the speck in someone else's eye. Like

34:44figure out your own stuff. Be a good

34:46person yourself before you want to go

34:48point at what everyone else is doing

34:50wrong. So, I just didn't know about

34:51that. Uh I was curious about that

34:52situation cuz I saw his reaction to our

34:55conversation.

34:56>> Would you ever bring him on here?

34:57>> I I want I texted Steiny actually for

34:59his number. Um does he live in New York?

35:01>> He lives here. you would come tomorrow.

35:03>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I wanted to um you

35:05know, Sneo, pull up. I would love to I

35:07want to have a debate. I want to sit

35:09here and Sneo's here and then I want to

35:11get someone from the Christian faith on

35:13here as well cuz Sneo does seem very

35:15educated on what he believes and he

35:17seems very hardcore and set in stone on

35:19what he thinks. I would love to have him

35:21and someone from the opposite side have

35:23a respectful conversation though on why

35:25they believe what they believe. So, um

35:27>> yeah, I think that'd be dope. Um for

35:31sure. Has there been like any

35:34relationships or or you know things that

35:38you have staged for views or is

35:40everything that you do kind of cuz

35:42people thought that

35:43>> even in our our stream with Selena

35:45people thought that that was stage but

35:47like what she called the police and

35:48everything

35:49>> [ __ ] Selena man

35:50>> and um No, that was not stage. She

35:52really did crash out on us and

35:54>> she called the cops and said [ __ ] me and

35:55and [ __ ] everyone. Yeah. But is there is

35:57there anything that goes on on your

35:58streams that is or is it all authentic

36:01or do you like do you come up with like

36:03uh things for that aren't that are

36:05staged?

36:06>> No, I think like I would say like the

36:08the past like two years, two and a half

36:09years have been completely like raw and

36:11authentic. Nothing staged. The only

36:12thing I've really staged like hardcore

36:14was that like a story line I did with a

36:16girl. That girl I ended up dating.

36:18>> Yeah.

36:18>> And like we like I would stream with her

36:20after the stream's done. Not even a

36:22word. Go bye. like leave, go in my room,

36:25not say a word, and then like I guess

36:27you're around someone so much and it

36:28just becomes like you're acting so much

36:30to where then it just doesn't become

36:32acting. But that was a big script I did.

36:34Ended up not becoming a script in the

36:35end. But that's pretty much it. I don't

36:37like my streams. I try to like I'll plan

36:39the base things like yo, let's do this,

36:40this, this, like we did, but like it's

36:41not like

36:42>> we're not like going before and like

36:43let's talk about this and let's do this.

36:44Like it's just all natural. I think

36:46that's the best way to go about it.

36:47>> Is what is the biggest lie that you've

36:49seen on the internet that's been spread

36:50about you?

36:54or just something where you're like,

36:55"People could not be more wrong about

36:56this."

36:58>> [ __ ]

37:00Do people even lie on me any? I don't

37:02know.

37:03I don't see a lot of hate anymore. The

37:05only thing I see hate on is people in my

37:07own religion

37:08>> really

37:09>> on Twitter. That's the only community I

37:11see that will that will that will really

37:13hate on me. and they think that you're

37:15just not being a good representation or

37:16because you're not knowledgeable enough

37:18to when people question or or they have

37:21a different point of view. Do they think

37:22that you're not like knowledgeable

37:24enough on the religion to kind of like

37:26go back and forth?

37:26>> They're just like, "Oh, you're Muslim.

37:27How are you doing? Why are you streaming

37:28with a girl? You're Muslim. Why are you

37:29gambling?"

37:30>> Uh

37:30>> all these like they'll pinpoint

37:32everything and like they'll and they'll

37:33make it worse and they'll make it like

37:34bring it more attention and do all these

37:35things. Um, I would say like a lie.

37:38Like, bro, so back then, um, I like when

37:41I was on like back at home behind the

37:43screen, I was saying crazy [ __ ] I was

37:44saying crazy [ __ ] to like every

37:46everyone. And then like I did the

37:48Breakfast Club and then like they got

37:51bashed heavy for it cuz the way they

37:53treated me on there and then they went

37:53and they made like a whole compilation

37:55of like all these moments where I've

37:56said certain things

37:58>> and it made me look like really crazy.

38:00Like I used to like make like really

38:02dark humor jokes about like everyone

38:04whether you're like whether you're

38:05Indian, you're black, you're white,

38:06you're

38:07>> But you know what's weird? That used to

38:08be somewhat socially acceptable because

38:10there's so many

38:11>> people I know even NBA players where

38:13when people go dig up their tweets from

38:142016 or 2014,

38:16>> you're going to see the wildest stuff.

38:18Is it just a different world we live in

38:20or is it because of cancel culture

38:22>> or is it like what is it? Cuz I feel

38:24like a lot of people have gotten caught

38:25up in people going to look at what they

38:27used to say. Yeah.

38:28>> And they get in trouble for it.

38:29>> And they still And they think like cuz

38:30you said that 5 years ago or 10 years

38:32ago, it's still you. It's so stupid.

38:34It's it makes no sense.

38:35>> Well, I also think that the internet now

38:37is a community where people love to to

38:39put other people down. Like it used to

38:41not be like that. Like it used to be

38:42like

38:43>> people were somewhat positive. The

38:44people that wanted to follow you would

38:45follow you cuz they wanted to see your

38:47stuff and they wanted to they were they

38:48liked you. Yeah. Now it's like a lot of

38:50people under the comments and things,

38:51they're only under there to speak

38:53negatively and like to hate.

38:55>> When do have you seen that switch in

38:58like how the internet is? And because I

39:00feel like people are just so backwards

39:02now, like so much more negative and

39:04spiteful and hateful and and and when

39:06did that become that?

39:07>> I don't know. I think I came in and it

39:09was already happening

39:09>> really.

39:10>> But I one thing I you said cancel

39:11culture. I don't think you can get

39:12cancelceled anymore.

39:13>> I don't think it's possible to get

39:14canceled. I've seen people like do [ __ ]

39:17like with with like weird [ __ ] with kids

39:19and all this stuff and they'll come back

39:21and like people act like nothing

39:22happened. Like I think we were talking

39:23about it on stream the uh was the the

39:25Epstein [ __ ]

39:26>> Yeah.

39:26>> And like it just got fully

39:28>> Yeah. It's just it's because people's

39:29attention spans, man. It's like

39:31>> it's like we're all so quick to move on

39:33from things that like the worst possible

39:35thing can come out about someone and and

39:37in a week's time, maybe less, maybe

39:39three or four days,

39:40>> is not the hottest topic anymore. People

39:42are really tripping. like

39:43>> you lay low, come back with some other

39:44[ __ ] and you're good.

39:46>> It's [ __ ] crazy, bro.

39:47>> It really is. It's almost alarming.

39:49Like, it's I don't I'd almost prefer

39:52cancel culture over

39:53>> Yeah.

39:54>> what's going on now where it's like

39:57people can just distract you with

39:58something new. It's It's kind of crazy.

40:00>> And just push out more [ __ ] But I'm I'm

40:01I'm worried, bro. I'm scared. Like,

40:02where is the internet going to be in 5

40:0410 years? Like, it's already getting

40:05[ __ ]

40:05>> I just I don't even want to think about

40:07like And I'm part of the problem.

40:08Streamers are part of the problem.

40:09>> In what way?

40:10>> It's brain rot.

40:11>> Got you.

40:11>> Like, it really is brain rot. Like

40:12having people sit there and watch your

40:14stream for hours and hours and hours and

40:15comment like it's not healthy, bro.

40:17>> Instead of them going and living their

40:18own life and becoming someone.

40:20>> You said this on on my stream.

40:21>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we were playing we

40:23were playing around a little bit.

40:24>> It's true though.

40:25>> When I when you were like what is one

40:27what what was the question? It was

40:29something about giving advice. You like

40:30click off the stream and and do

40:32something for yourself.

40:32>> Yeah. And I said something like I was

40:33like, instead of watching Neon for hours

40:35and hours, why don't you all watch him

40:37for 1 hour and then go live your own

40:39life and become someone so that you can

40:41have success like he does or like I do.

40:43And you obviously on the stream were

40:44just playing around. You were like,

40:46>> you were like, "Nah, f that." Like, but

40:48it is true that it is like so many

40:50people are just on their devices and

40:53tuned in to

40:55>> Yeah, there's two ways to look at it

40:56though. It's like, okay, if you're

40:57watching the stream like for motivation,

40:59like I used to like watch a bunch of

41:00streamers to motivate me to like and

41:01learn from them. Like that makes sense.

41:03Like learning something like getting

41:04something out of it. But like the people

41:05that are just sitting there lying down

41:06in bed just like watching cuz they have

41:08nothing else to do. It doesn't make

41:09sense. But like there's been times too

41:10like people go on my chat especially

41:12girls they'll come in and be like I

41:13watch a stream to put a smile on my face

41:14like I I'm going through so much and

41:16like this is like my escape. Like stuff

41:17like that like that 100% makes sense.

41:20But like

41:20>> if it's someone who's just being lazy

41:22and like getting nothing out of it like

41:23get something out of it if you're on the

41:25internet.

41:25>> Right. Right. Has there been anyone

41:28you've streamed with that like genuinely

41:30dislikes you know or kind of like

41:32threatened you or was upset with how the

41:34stream went and um doesn't like you

41:36anymore?

41:37>> Bobby Alough.

41:38>> Really?

41:39>> Yeah.

41:39>> I love Bobby. Me and Bobby, there was a

41:41year there was a summer of my life

41:43>> where me and Bobby were like locked in

41:44as friends. We were like best friends

41:46for a period of time. It was the

41:47weirdest thing. Like you would never

41:49think that me and Bobby would be

41:50>> Did y'all make a pod? we were, no, we

41:52haven't done a podcast, but there was a

41:54summer where like me and her were like

41:56every single day kicking it and like she

41:59would tell me like about and this was

42:00like as she was doing her thing and like

42:02really blowing up, we were hanging out a

42:04lot as friends and um and I got to know

42:06her really well and she she's a really

42:08cool girl. Yeah. What happened with

42:09y'all?

42:10>> Um

42:12uh it was like so we did our podcast a

42:14podcast. Her podcast was great. It went

42:16well before the stream. Started the

42:17stream. Um she like her personality is a

42:19it's like like for the stream it's it's

42:21a little different like it's it's new to

42:22her like she was overwhelmed whatever.

42:24Yeah. The chat was being rude to her.

42:25>> Um obviously I was telling them don't do

42:27it don't do it. Whatever. Then there was

42:28a moment I did TTS. You know what TTS

42:31where like so like the chat asked

42:32questions and the questions go out loud.

42:33>> So I asked her I was like are you down

42:36for this? Let's do it. She's like [ __ ]

42:37it. Let's do it.

42:38>> And then they ask her questions

42:39whatever. And then they brought up a

42:41like for her to say free Palestine.

42:43>> And then she froze up. like probably

42:45like I don't think it's because it's not

42:46because she didn't support it or

42:47whatever it was because she came out

42:48like literally like a week ago because

42:49the clip resurfaced and she's like I

42:51support all this like I've been

42:52supporting I was one of the first people

42:53to do it.

42:53>> Yeah, I saw her TikTok on that. Yeah,

42:55>> but she froze up in the moment because

42:56like obviously her personality like it's

42:58like

42:58>> you know it was a lot for her and then

43:00people took it the wrong way and then

43:01like I don't know if she saw like a

43:03setup thing or like if I planned it or

43:05whatever it was, but it was just really

43:06just people

43:07>> like donating a dollar and asking their

43:08questions and like I don't think she

43:10[ __ ] with me after that.

43:11>> Yeah. And it is hard with the streaming

43:13thing like if you're not someone who

43:15>> is willing to be authentic and like be

43:18um super like yourself and no filter.

43:21It's a hard space because

43:24>> people are going to eat you live cuz

43:25this is a podcast. We could look it

43:26over. We could delete what we want. We

43:28could watch how we spoke about this

43:30subject on a stream.

43:32>> It's live, you know. And I think Bobby

43:34was so used to the podcast and how she

43:36comes off that then when you're on a

43:37stream and people bring up a such a

43:39political issue and a sensitive issue,

43:41it can be hard cuz

43:42>> especially with that specific issue, if

43:45you're if you side with either one

43:49publicly, you're going to get bashed by

43:52the other side. Like there's it's so

43:54>> I don't think with that situation, I

43:55think the internet is so heavily on one

43:57side. Did you see like the edge? It was

43:58it wasn't always like I remember at the

44:00beginning especially in America there

44:02was so much um um people pushing the

44:05propaganda I don't know if that's the

44:06right word but people pushing this

44:08narrative that we're supposed to be

44:09siding with what Israel is doing.

44:10>> Yeah.

44:11>> At the beginning and now because so many

44:13things have come out about how

44:16>> the children are dying in in in Gaza and

44:19and the videos and how sad it is and

44:21like what is going on is so devastating

44:23and so wrong. I think that it did kind

44:25of like turn at one point. My stance on

44:28it is that there's so many innocent

44:30people dying on both sides that when

44:32people have compassion or empathy from

44:34people on both sides, that's okay. We

44:37don't if you're not someone who's super

44:39educated on this or that, you don't need

44:41to like, but it is sad both sides. And

44:44if you if you feel really really bad and

44:46really sad for the people in Palestine

44:47and you feel really bad for the kids

44:49that have died in Israel and then that's

44:51a it's war and I understand that but

44:54people are so harsh on people for for

44:58you know but I do think that the

45:00internet now like I'm seeing a lot more

45:01free Palestine stuff than I think I did

45:03at the beginning.

45:03>> Did you see like the Mlemore Ed Sheeran

45:05thing

45:05>> did and he's he was he was on a concert

45:07and in front of the whole stadium yelled

45:09free Palestine. Correct.

45:10>> Yeah. That was like his like they were

45:11on tour and he was like like his o

45:12opening he had like the the like the the

45:14clothing on and then he would like on

45:16the on the projector it said like free

45:18Palestine or whatever and then he would

45:19like talk.

45:19>> How did that go for him?

45:20>> It the internet loves him like loves

45:23loves everyone supporting him but then

45:25Ed Sheeran like I think his team or like

45:27the the people running the tour kicked

45:29him off the tour.

45:30>> Um and then now Ed Sheeran's again like

45:32it's bad. I think his band left him like

45:34like

45:34>> oh Ed Sheeran's kicked Mmore off the

45:36tour for yelling free Palestine. So now

45:39Ed, people are mad at Ed Sheeran.

45:40>> Yeah. And he said it was his team. So I

45:42don't know like the exacts, but he's

45:44getting like talk about cancel culture.

45:46Like they're on his ass so bad right

45:48now. Like so so bad. But then like next

45:50week probably fine.

45:51>> Yeah. That's it's just so it's so tough.

45:53It it really is like I I I personally am

45:55not educated enough. All I see is the

45:57videos of what's going on. Yeah.

45:59>> If you're not heartbroken by what you

46:01see or if someone does say free

46:02Palestine and someone has negative

46:05something negative to say about that

46:06person because they said free Palestine,

46:08then there's something wrong with them.

46:09Because if you see the videos and you

46:11see the innocent children dying and you

46:12you look into it even a little bit, you

46:15should be heartbroken. Like where is the

46:17empathy in our world now? Like it's it's

46:20it's kind of it's really scary almost

46:23cuz we live these lives in America and

46:25we're not super affected by what's going

46:26on over there.

46:27>> Yeah. But imagine if you were over there

46:29and and your family members are dying

46:31and your kid kid like

46:34>> it it's it's crazy. It really is.

46:36>> This world is [ __ ] bro. And a lot of

46:38people don't. And I was so sheltered for

46:39so long. And that's why like I think I

46:41acted the way I did cuz I didn't see the

46:43real world. Like I've really made it a

46:44point to go to like these countries like

46:46like the like deep into the Philippines,

46:48like the deep villages, go to like

46:50>> deep into Morocco, the DR, go to the

46:52FLLA. Like I've done all this to see

46:55like other ways of living. It soers you

46:57up to like It soers you up in the fact

46:59of like

47:00>> we really are sheltered and and and

47:02we're like we live a very blessed life

47:04to be able to live in America and have

47:06and be able to wake up every day and and

47:08and and choose the religion you want to

47:10worship and choose choose how you want

47:13to live your life. But there's a lot of

47:14countries where if you're not following

47:16what they want to do, if you're not

47:17following their religion, they'll try to

47:18kill you. Yeah. if you're not there's a

47:20there's something going on with

47:21Christians in um I forget exactly where

47:24but a bunch of Christians are dying in a

47:26certain country and I can't imagine that

47:27like if I woke up and I'm trying to

47:28practice my religion and I and I get

47:31like chased and killed for it or my

47:33family members do like that's

47:35>> um that's that's scary. I've also done

47:37the same thing where I um have traveled

47:39a little bit just to go see what's going

47:40on in other countries. I went to the

47:42Philippines cuz that is a a place where

47:44a lot of

47:45>> um child trafficking goes on. Are you

47:48serious?

47:48>> Like it's like a a red zone for child

47:50trafficking. A lot of the kids out

47:51there,

47:52>> it's so poor over there. And there's so

47:55much like

47:56>> Yeah. Yeah. It's so it's so poor that

47:58the there's parents that are selling

47:59their own kids, trafficking their own

48:01kids or like and I had no idea about

48:03this. I went over there and I'm I'm

48:05playing and I'm and I'm hanging out with

48:06the kids that have been rescued from

48:07these situations. Little kids that are

48:10really going through this. And it just

48:11it it really like opens your mind to to

48:15man the world is a crazy place

48:17>> and we're all sheltered like like we I

48:19feel like me like like you said like

48:20we've gone and seen it but a lot of

48:21people like they don't they don't see

48:23all the the bad [ __ ] that goes on. It's

48:25just like fairy like La La Land like

48:28everything is good. We're here in

48:29America living our best lives. But it's

48:31really Yeah, bro. It's really [ __ ] I

48:33I've showed like I've tried to show and

48:34like meet people and do all these

48:35things, bro. And the craziest part about

48:38like all these experiences is these

48:39people where I'm in like the the worst

48:40conditions and poverty and all this

48:42stuff. They are so much happier than any

48:43of us here.

48:44>> Yeah.

48:45>> They're family oriented. They're just

48:46grateful to even have food in front of

48:48them.

48:48>> The other weird part about it like it's

48:50like a it's a weird thing that like

48:52>> I went to Peru and it was the same

48:54thing. A lot of people just living in

48:56the mountains without a lot. They're

48:57still cooking their food like with rocks

48:59and a fire and like but they're so

49:01peaceful and happy compared to people in

49:03America. There was one story of like a

49:05lady who lived in a country and she was

49:08being crucified for her religion or

49:09being like chased or she was scared to

49:11worship her religion

49:12>> um or practice her religion. And so she

49:15moved to America where she was free to

49:17do so. But then she got here and when

49:20she looked around and she saw how like

49:22distracted people are and how like uh

49:24just like in a days people are and how

49:26shelter people are, she was like she

49:28moved back to her other country because

49:29it was hard to live here and and live a

49:32real genuine like like life because

49:35we're so we're put like all this stuff

49:36in front of us and our attention span

49:39like it's

49:40>> America comes with a lot of pros, don't

49:42get me wrong, but there's a lot of cons.

49:43Like you said, you go to these other

49:44countries with people with way less and

49:46they do seem genuinely happier a lot of

49:48times. Yeah. It's really weird.

49:50>> How would you go about raising your kids

49:51like in America?

49:52>> I don't think I'm Well, I'm definitely

49:53homeschooling my kids first of all.

49:55>> For real.

49:56>> Yeah. And I'm going to like I bought a

49:57bunch of land in Missouri and we're

49:59going to um I told you about that. Like

50:00I'm building a compound where my my

50:02family, my siblings are going to all

50:03build on it and we're going to

50:04homeschool our kids and

50:06>> kind of be out the way a little bit. But

50:07also I I think it's these I think it's

50:10the electronics honestly like like over

50:12there in Peru like they're not on their

50:14phones and their TVs and their

50:16>> so they still have like this connection

50:17to reality. We're we live in like a and

50:22it's going to get even crazier as AI

50:24kind of takes off. Um

50:25>> they were on my ass for the ass.

50:26>> Yeah. Yeah, I was going to bring that

50:27up. Yeah. talk about um cuz some people

50:30view AI as such like a positive tool,

50:32but also there's the most smartest

50:34people now talking about how if we keep

50:36on this pace with AI, like it could be a

50:38real danger to society as we move

50:41forward. And you are someone that I

50:42think you did the first AI stream.

50:44>> Yeah, I did AI streams. I did three AI

50:46streams. Um was a a company that like I

50:48did I did an AI movie and then we did AI

50:50streams and it was like the chat

50:52controlled the stream. So like what they

50:54like they would go on the website and

50:55they would like like type for things to

50:56happen. It would happen.

50:58>> It was like it was a really sick

50:59concept. Obviously like it was it was a

51:01a partnership sponsorship whatever. But

51:03>> it was just like they were like all

51:05right we're either going to do this with

51:06you or we're going to get another

51:06streamer and they're going to have the

51:07the moment and the opportunity. So I was

51:08like all right [ __ ] it. Like this is

51:10going to happen anyway. I'll just do it.

51:11But

51:12>> I guess my platform made it like a big

51:14big deal. It was bro it was [ __ ] war

51:16on Twitter. Like war. It was so bad.

51:19>> What was it? I guess there was war when

51:20Tiger did his AI album too. Targeted AI.

51:23>> Targeted AI. Okay, that makes sense

51:25because T I was on the phone like

51:26someone um was with Tiger. Put him on

51:28the phone. This like two days after my

51:29AI stream. He's like, I saw the AI

51:31stream so he he did AI [ __ ] too. That's

51:33why he was so happy about it. All right.

51:34>> Yeah, probably because they they were on

51:36him, too. Yeah,

51:36>> that makes sense. I was confused why he

51:38was so like enthusiastic about the Okay.

51:40>> Yeah. Yeah, that's hilarious.

51:42>> Like AI music. Yeah. Like it's a it's

51:44scary, bro, cuz this [ __ ] is really

51:46taking over. like the movie that they

51:48did like it looked they did it within

51:49two weeks and it looked so similar to

51:51real life and like I mean bro we I use

51:54AI for like a lot like Chad GBT is

51:56considered AI right

51:57>> yeah chat GBT is AI but like imagine

51:59like okay it's pretty realistic now

52:00imagine in 5 years when when you people

52:04won't be able to tell the difference if

52:05it's really you on a stream or it's your

52:07AI version like I think it'll get that

52:09realistic

52:10>> [ __ ]

52:10>> so you could be chilling at the crib and

52:12you could just have your AI version go

52:13do a stream that people think is really

52:15you out and about like that Like that's

52:17kind of that's that's when it'll get

52:18kind of weird.

52:19>> Replicate like can you replicate that?

52:21Like

52:21>> I think they'll get to the point where

52:22they can really make it super super

52:24similar.

52:24>> So they can do a me and you like

52:26hooping. There's no way they'll know.

52:28>> I think it'll get to that point.

52:29>> What the hell?

52:30>> I think it'll get to that point and then

52:31it'll be like the world is just cuz

52:33entertainment is going to change as a

52:35whole. I mean, part of the reason that

52:37people will always love sports and

52:39always love, you know, is because they

52:41enjoy like the human the human error of,

52:44you know, you miss a shot. You,

52:46>> you know, but AI is definitely going to

52:48change a lot of how people are

52:50entertained. I think

52:51>> the sad part is a lot of people are

52:52losing their jobs like a lot. Like I had

52:53a conversation with a guy like helps

52:54moderate my chat. He's getting laid off.

52:56AI's taking over all the jobs. Like

52:58>> yeah,

52:59>> Uber drivers are going to start lo like

53:00they're making these cars in LA. It's

53:02everywhere, bro. these these Whimos that

53:04are like just filling up the streets and

53:06they're getting more and more by the day

53:07and it's like

53:07>> so the taxi drivers are out here.

53:09>> Yeah, bro. Uber Uber Eats like now it's

53:11like a robot deliver. It's getting

53:12[ __ ] bro.

53:13>> So, what happens when AI

53:16gets so good that the m it does it

53:18better than the majority of human jobs

53:20and now all these humans are out of

53:22work. What happens then to those humans?

53:24Because I've heard some of these really

53:25rich billionaires and trillionaires

53:27>> Yeah. talk about depopulation and how at

53:30that point you have all these humans who

53:32don't have a job and then the AI and the

53:34robots do do their thing better than

53:36them. So now you have all these humans

53:37that are really like

53:38>> just sitting there

53:39>> just sitting there and like and then the

53:41billionaires and the trainers are like

53:42oh these are just useless people taking

53:44up resources in their mind. So then I

53:46think it's going to kill each other.

53:47>> I think it's going to get really scary

53:48like in the next 10 10 years. That's my

53:50prediction

53:52>> cuz AI AI man AI is

53:54>> like you said once it starts taking the

53:56place of all these jobs once a an AI

53:58robot

53:59>> cleans a room better than a maid you

54:01know or it can go into the kitchen and

54:02cook or it can they'll they'll start

54:04making robots that even give massages

54:06better than AI haircuts. It can braid

54:08your hair f like

54:09>> [ __ ] hell.

54:10>> Like I I don't know how crazy it'll get

54:12before like

54:14>> stuff really hits the fan.

54:15>> Well, they're going to do all that. Like

54:16all that stuff that we said it's going

54:17to happen. Like it is 100% going to

54:18happen. But it's like, yeah. So, what

54:21are people going to do? Like, they're

54:22not going to have jobs. Like, how does I

54:24think

54:24>> like how are they going to live life?

54:25How are they going to function?

54:25>> I mean, I genuinely think that like AI

54:28will be part of the end of us as a

54:32society. And you already have the

54:34smartest people in the world that are

54:36creating AI, saying that there's a real

54:37chance that it causes extens extinction

54:39of the human race. That's the smartest

54:41people. Those are the people that are

54:42creating it. And the reason that I don't

54:44think that we will stop as it gets more

54:47and more dangerous is because human

54:50nature is going to kick in. People are

54:53are selfish at their core. And when you

54:55have all these countries and all these

54:57different AI companies that are

54:58competing to be the first

55:00>> to do something, that's why they're not

55:02just going to pull the plug on the

55:03progress of AI,

55:05>> even though it's getting dangerous.

55:06Because human nature's is going to kick

55:07in and everyone's going to want to be

55:09the first one to invent the next and the

55:10smartest AI and other countries are

55:13going to be competing against other

55:14countries

55:14>> and they want control over it

55:15>> and they want control over it. But it's

55:16going to get to a point where

55:18>> AI is too smart and it's smarter than

55:20humans and now take over.

55:21>> We're a secondary species.

55:23>> We're their servants.

55:23>> Yeah. We're a secondary species that

55:25like right now the reason humans run the

55:27world is because

55:28>> we're smarter than the animals. You know

55:30>> once AI is smarter than us now we're

55:32just going to be like animals to them.

55:33That's where I think it's gonna go.

55:35>> I think the world just gonna end soon.

55:36Like by soon, not like 10, maybe like a

55:37hundred years, bro. I think we're

55:39[ __ ]

55:39>> I I I don't see another way unless a

55:41real

55:43something major would have to like shift

55:46for. But that's why I'm just That's why

55:50me, I'm trying to like look at life now

55:52as enjoy it. Be around the people you

55:54want to be around. Keep hustling. Keep

55:56keep doing what you were designed to do,

55:58what you were put on this earth to do.

56:00But like live with that awareness that

56:02like any day something crazy could

56:05happen. So that kind of leads me to my

56:07next question with you. Like um

56:11>> where is your like spirits now that

56:14you've reached fame, you've have money,

56:16you're one of the biggest streamers. How

56:18would you compare like your your

56:19happiness levels to to before all this?

56:22>> Worse.

56:23>> Really?

56:23>> Yeah. It's not what I thought it would

56:24be at explain that to people because

56:27I've I've I I think I've talked about

56:28this before, but

56:30>> someone as drastic of a change as as you

56:33who was like a normal kid living with

56:35their parents, a loser, hustling. I was

56:36a real life loser.

56:37>> A loser. And you're saying that now that

56:39you're this dude that have been around

56:40the biggest celebrities, everyone wants

56:41to be in the same room as you.

56:43>> You can get in contact with anyone you

56:45want to.

56:46>> You're busy every day. You have money.

56:47You can buy what you want. And you're

56:49saying that your overall peace and

56:51happiness is a little worse. Like, how

56:52do you how do you think about that in

56:54your mind? I was more happy when I was

56:55sitting at home playing video games with

56:56my friends. Like so you say like talk to

56:58the people who like knew you before

56:59everything. So like Aiden me and him

57:01friends before all this when me and him

57:02both average like nothing. But yeah, I

57:05mean bro I just it's not what I thought

57:07it would be. Like and the problem is as

57:08humans we want more and more and more.

57:09Like it's never enough. The money's

57:10never enough. The views are never enough

57:12and I just want to keep going higher and

57:13higher and I'm never like content with

57:15what I have or like sit and think like

57:17damn like I did that. So yeah, like it's

57:19not really like I don't think it really

57:20brings me

57:22>> like streaming I don't think streaming

57:23brings me happiness. I think it's more

57:24of like a thing like I have like I'm

57:26forced to do it like I have to like I

57:27came this far. I have to do it. I can't

57:29stop.

57:30>> That's that's Do do you scary does it do

57:33you ever think about that at night and

57:34it makes you sad or it makes you a

57:35little like down or you just are so

57:37locked in?

57:38>> I'm so dou

57:38>> like this is probably the first time you

57:40actually slowed down and thought about

57:41it.

57:41>> I think about it. Yeah, bro. I feel like

57:43like when people say like you like I

57:44sold my soul whatever like I honestly

57:46like I feel like I really gave up like

57:48my way of living for streaming so like

57:50you could indirectly like I would never

57:51say I sold my soul but like I gave up my

57:54life to my work.

57:55>> Yeah.

57:56>> Like I gave up a lot and like I have no

57:58balance and I have no other things that

58:00I do and I don't think of anything else

58:02and I don't have fun and go and like go

58:04out to the club off stream and chill and

58:07go and do this and do that. Like first

58:09off, I can't even do it. Like all these

58:11cameras and all these people and like it

58:13just like yeah there's no balance, bro.

58:15>> Is there a certain point of success that

58:17you can reach where you would be willing

58:19to take real breaks and like and like

58:21>> or like you just think that you're this

58:23is your life now.

58:24>> This is my life, bro. And like I'll

58:25never stop until people stop. Like when

58:26I when people stop watching and they're

58:27like, "Okay, we're tired of this kid."

58:28And then okay, I'll take a step back and

58:30be like, "Okay, I did what I could." But

58:31like right now like I'm so blessed and I

58:33feel like every month keeps going higher

58:34and higher and like

58:35>> I just got to

58:36>> But I think Yeah. You can also look at

58:38it too like

58:40you you have such a big platform and

58:43this is where I might agree with some of

58:45the people that that may say certain

58:47things about you like you can influence

58:49a whole generation and that's like a lot

58:51of power and responsibility that you

58:53could that I think would give you some

58:55happiness and peace if you realized that

58:56every day when you got on stream

58:58>> that certain conversations you were

59:00having with people and certain ways that

59:01you interacted with the chat you were

59:02doing it and you already do cuz you're

59:04so genuine and such a cool dude but you

59:06were having real change for the positive

59:08on the world. I think that that could be

59:10a way that you could you could feel some

59:12like peace and happiness cuz I'm the

59:14same way when everything is about me

59:15like basketball and making money and and

59:17and living my life and trying to chase

59:19this and chase that, chase my goals,

59:21it's very unfulfilling. But when I can

59:23like use my platform to talk to people

59:25about like real life things,

59:27>> we talk about religion on my

59:29>> we talk about religion and that might

59:30have touched a lot of people or we'll

59:31talk about like then I feel like okay

59:33God gave me this platform he gave me

59:35>> so so let me do something good with it.

59:37So maybe that's a way like down the line

59:39>> cuz you bro you have a big following.

59:42You know what I'm saying? Like imagine

59:43you can really have a big imprint on

59:46changing the next generation of kids. So

59:48like something like like you said like

59:50positive fitness like I want to do like

59:51I want to do a whole transformation. So

59:52like I have this locked in with Fousey

59:54like November what is what is today?

59:56>> That'd be fire.

59:56>> November 1st we're starting he's living

59:58with me for 6 months living with me

1:00:00going traveling with me non-stop. We're

1:00:01doing the craziest transformation. Like

1:00:03>> that's like a positive thing I want to

1:00:04do. Like cuz like out of me they would

1:00:05never expect it. Like I feel like a lot

1:00:06of people are like unhealthy including

1:00:08me bro. Like

1:00:09>> we're just like doing other [ __ ] not

1:00:11like being lazy not going to the gym.

1:00:12Like it's like really there's so many

1:00:14benefits and it helps you a lot. So,

1:00:15like that's something big that I'm

1:00:17starting and I'm doing. But like on top

1:00:18of that, like I want to learn more about

1:00:20certain topics and certain subjects. And

1:00:21I know like people say like, "Yo, be

1:00:23like stay away from this for your PR and

1:00:24the brands and everything." Like really,

1:00:26bro, my only deals that I really get

1:00:27like casino deals and like some other

1:00:29[ __ ] Like I don't care to be fully PR.

1:00:31>> Yeah.

1:00:31>> Um but like I want to learn more about

1:00:33about certain stuff that's going on and

1:00:35like spread spread awareness and spread

1:00:36light on.

1:00:37>> Yeah. That's lit though. When AB and

1:00:39when AB got on his stream and he he for

1:00:41a little bit was

1:00:41>> he did like a week and he got drunk

1:00:42again, bro. Like

1:00:43>> But it it was it was dope.

1:00:44>> It was good. It was so, bro. It was so

1:00:45wholesome and it was so motivating and

1:00:47like all

1:00:47>> people were watching that like that

1:00:49looked like we're watching the Rocky

1:00:50movie. It looked like, yo, this is

1:00:52>> this really So that'll be dope. I'm

1:00:54excited for that.

1:00:55>> He kept going. Like I

1:00:56>> it would have been the craziest. And if

1:00:57he came back and and like lost the belly

1:00:59and started boxing and had a huge fight,

1:01:01it would have been [ __ ] huge and it

1:01:02would have been like motivational to

1:01:04everyone out there, bro. But yeah,

1:01:05fitness is like I'm 100% locking in on

1:01:07that. Getting my body right, getting I

1:01:09heard it gives you more energy, too. So

1:01:10like yeah, I have a few more things. Do

1:01:12you have much more time or you're

1:01:14chilling? All right.

1:01:15>> Um,

1:01:16>> for the people that are just interested

1:01:17in like

1:01:19your life as a streamer and kind of

1:01:22everything around it financially. Yeah.

1:01:24>> I just have a few questions about that.

1:01:26>> Um, what is the most money you've made

1:01:28in one month?

1:01:29>> [ __ ] you.

1:01:31>> You know what's crazy? People like they

1:01:33think, well, streamers make money. A lot

1:01:34of streamers make money and they make a

1:01:35lot of money. Like I would say like

1:01:36Aiden, like he makes a lot of [ __ ]

1:01:38money. But for me, like my margins are

1:01:40really bad. They're not really bad. You

1:01:43told me on They're not

1:01:44>> That's terrible, bro. What do you mean?

1:01:45>> No, they're not bad. They're You're

1:01:47reinvesting a lot of what you make back

1:01:49into yourself.

1:01:51>> A lot. Like, they don't pay clippers

1:01:52like I do. They don't have a full staff

1:01:54like I do. They don't travel as much.

1:01:55Like, the flights add up. The last

1:01:57minute travel, last minute hotels, like,

1:01:59"Bro, book this [ __ ] hotel or this

1:02:01New York trip a day in advance." And

1:02:03like hotels, like a mid hotel is 500

1:02:05bucks a night. Like,

1:02:06>> yeah.

1:02:06>> I like it just the last minute [ __ ]

1:02:08[ __ ] me. I maybe my margins aren't

1:02:10terrible, but like I've had some I've

1:02:12had some really really crazy months, but

1:02:16like at the same time, a lot of it just

1:02:17goes back.

1:02:18>> Yeah. And you don't even get the time to

1:02:20enjoy your money.

1:02:20>> I don't enjoy my money. I don't care for

1:02:21the money. I don't The money doesn't

1:02:23keep me going. And like I think what

1:02:24really like like you said, like seeing

1:02:25the success, like seeing clips do well,

1:02:26like that keeps me going, but that's

1:02:28also so scary because there's going to

1:02:30be a point where that stops. Like I'm

1:02:31not going to be popping forever. And

1:02:33when that stops, I'm so scared of how

1:02:34I'm going to feel, bro. Well, hopefully

1:02:35you've evolved or had enough

1:02:37conversations like this at that at that

1:02:39point to to not even care as much. Like

1:02:42you might evolve like as a human to

1:02:44where like certain things that you were

1:02:45very invested in and you loved

1:02:48>> and you thought that life was about

1:02:49maybe like in 5 years you'll feel

1:02:51something completely different, you

1:02:52know?

1:02:53>> I hope I hope, bro.

1:02:54>> I I bet you'll get to that point. That's

1:02:55that's that's what I think.

1:02:56>> I'm still 22. I got to mature. I got to

1:02:57grow. I got

1:02:58>> when I was 22, bro, I thought the the

1:03:00the biggest thing about this whole

1:03:02>> like I still was a deep thinker, but I

1:03:04was way more

1:03:06>> invested in like certain things than I

1:03:09am now in other things. Like it

1:03:10definitely changes. Your interests

1:03:12change. The way you view the world

1:03:13changes.

1:03:14>> You'll you'll have done this for so many

1:03:16years and been at the top for so many

1:03:17years

1:03:18>> that eventually like you may have

1:03:21reached the pinnacle and you realize

1:03:22what it is like you do now, but you'll

1:03:24you'll you'll want something else, you

1:03:26know? You never know. Um, how much does

1:03:29producing your streams cost? I guess it

1:03:31just depends on the stream, huh?

1:03:34>> Yeah. I mean, like just like booking

1:03:35booking random [ __ ] like I mean we

1:03:37booked the spot thing on our stream like

1:03:38a few hundred bucks. But like

1:03:40>> Do you ever pay the guests or No,

1:03:42>> no, I've paid two people. I paid eh I

1:03:44paid Antonio Brown. I paid Antonio Brown

1:03:47to do a stream. Uh, this like early on

1:03:48and then now we he streams for free.

1:03:49Whatever. And then um I

1:03:54[ __ ] I probably shouldn't I shouldn't

1:03:56say this one on here, but there's no

1:03:57hope for this right. I paid Lavar.

1:03:59>> Lavar.

1:03:59>> Yeah. I just I tried

1:04:01>> ball man.

1:04:02>> That was so worth it. I paid 15k. It was

1:04:04really worth it. But those two that's

1:04:05it. But

1:04:06>> I mean at this point you're at the point

1:04:09now where like people should almost be

1:04:10paying you to get on your

1:04:12>> No, bro. The labels. Oh my god, bro. The

1:04:14labels are these millionaires. These

1:04:16[ __ ] rich people that come on be

1:04:17like, "Let me put me on

1:04:19>> 50k for an hour." Yeah, that's crazy.

1:04:21>> 100K for two hours.

1:04:22>> Will you do you ever accept that or do

1:04:23you want everything to stay organic?

1:04:24>> I try not to, bro. I I've definitely

1:04:25done it before. I'm'll be honest. Like,

1:04:27there's been times like, "All right,

1:04:28[ __ ] free trip. Like, you're paying for

1:04:29my expense. Like, all right, [ __ ] it."

1:04:30Like, let's go do it. But now nowadays,

1:04:33no, I don't. I really don't. And like

1:04:34it's cuz it's just the chat knows, bro.

1:04:36They every time I've done that, they

1:04:38know. They somehow know I'm coming. They

1:04:40say paid promo cuz it's just like, "Why

1:04:42is this person with this person?"

1:04:43>> It's a little less authentic.

1:04:44>> Yeah. And then I feel like it kills like

1:04:45people's like look at me like they're

1:04:46like, "Oh, this guy's a sellout doing

1:04:47things for money." Like, "All right,

1:04:48[ __ ] it." Like I'm not I already gamble.

1:04:50Like

1:04:50>> I don't want to I don't want to keep

1:04:52looking like a sellout,

1:04:53>> right?

1:04:53>> So

1:04:54>> do you invest out of off like do you

1:04:56invest your money in in other things and

1:04:58what's what's been your best?

1:04:59>> I have no control over my money like

1:05:00nothing. Like if you look at my bank

1:05:01account, I have like 30 bucks. Like I

1:05:03have MX obviously, but uh I'm very

1:05:05careful, bro. Like every dime I get goes

1:05:07to my dad and he invested like real

1:05:08estate. Um like bunch of different

1:05:11stuff.

1:05:12>> Are they living good now? The fam?

1:05:13>> They bro they live in a big crib and

1:05:15everything.

1:05:15>> Yeah, but that's not for me. Like bro,

1:05:17my dad, my mom, like they they like my

1:05:19dad's worked really hard. Like he came

1:05:20to America with nothing. Uh was born in

1:05:22Pakistan. Like we like we like [ __ ] we

1:05:24bro I people think I like grew up

1:05:26[ __ ] middle class or rich but like we

1:05:28were like small apartments like

1:05:30two-bedroom apartment, five people. Like

1:05:32he grinded and hustled and worked hours

1:05:33and hours and hours. He went through a

1:05:35lot, bro. We've been like because of his

1:05:36work like he was doing cell phone

1:05:37stores. He got robbed at gunpoint three

1:05:38different times, three different

1:05:39situations at home. He's been tased and

1:05:41t and they've taken like 40k cash from

1:05:43him like walking on the street. Like

1:05:44>> that's crazy. My dad's been through a

1:05:45lot and he worked so hard to get like my

1:05:47family to this point, but like my family

1:05:48won't take a dime from me, bro. My dad

1:05:50invests my money, makes me so much

1:05:51money, he won't take dime. I bought him

1:05:53a Daytona, he wouldn't take it.

1:05:54>> Really,

1:05:54>> my mom like they they no one wants

1:05:56anything from me, bro. They're just so

1:05:57happy for me and they're so like proud

1:05:59of their son and seeing like me do all

1:06:01these things. They won't take [ __ ] bro.

1:06:02But like my dream is to build my dream

1:06:04home in Houston

1:06:06>> uh for my my brother and my my mom and

1:06:08my dad and just have them live there.

1:06:09But like yeah, bro, they don't they live

1:06:11a really minimalistic life. They don't

1:06:12do much. They don't want much. They

1:06:14drive Teslas. They're chilling. They

1:06:15don't really They don't care for any of

1:06:17the money stuff, bro. At all. Like, I

1:06:18buy my mom a purse.

1:06:20>> She's like like, "Dang." Like, she's so

1:06:21happy, appreciative, but like it doesn't

1:06:22like make her happy. She's like, "I

1:06:24don't even want this. I want to spend

1:06:25time with you."

1:06:25>> That's a blessing cuz a lot of people

1:06:27that for some reason I feel like people

1:06:30always look at people that are

1:06:32successful and swear that they grew up

1:06:33rich. People swear that I grew up rich.

1:06:35Well, my family grew up with literally

1:06:36nothing. Like, there was

1:06:37>> I have seven siblings. There was eight

1:06:39of us. We were homeschooled. My mom

1:06:41stayed at home. My dad made like $30,000

1:06:43a year.

1:06:43>> Damn. But people just assume when you

1:06:46that

1:06:46>> they they have the assumption cuz you

1:06:48have money. They think you always had

1:06:49money.

1:06:49>> Yeah. I think that's cool though cuz a

1:06:50lot of people that make a lot of money,

1:06:52they have so many people like family

1:06:54members and cousins and and different

1:06:56people like coming to them for constant

1:06:58requests for money. Like

1:07:00>> I have people probably every other day

1:07:03text me about something some money. And

1:07:05that that's a really hard part. And it

1:07:06changes kind of the dynamic of a lot of

1:07:08relationships when you become the the

1:07:10like the the bread winner like of the

1:07:12family cuz so many people are just

1:07:14coming to ask for things and it gets

1:07:16overwhelming but it's it's a it's a

1:07:18blessing to be in the position that

1:07:19we're in. You know

1:07:20>> what do you do like if like a cousin

1:07:22that you haven't talked to for years and

1:07:24years hits you up and they're like I

1:07:25need I need blank for this. So, I put I

1:07:28put a certain amount of money every year

1:07:30into like an an account that I can just

1:07:32not think about it and when people ask

1:07:33me for things, I can just give it to

1:07:35them and not even like stress about it

1:07:36and not

1:07:37>> over worry about it. But there is people

1:07:39that have come back over and over and

1:07:40over again and I need to make sure that

1:07:42they are like cuz cuz there's also a

1:07:45thing that like I've done this with some

1:07:47of my friends that keep coming back for

1:07:48more. Sometimes people need to hit rock

1:07:51bottom. not rock rock bottom but people

1:07:53need to like get to a low point to get

1:07:54their life figured out when they always

1:07:56have like a crutch to lean on

1:07:58>> for finances and stuff then then they

1:08:00never like figure it out for themselves.

1:08:01So

1:08:02>> it is a thing where like I I have to

1:08:05situation by situation figure out like

1:08:07is this really helping this person in

1:08:08the long run when I give them some money

1:08:11or is it doing them harm cuz they're

1:08:12never getting on their own

1:08:14>> like a band-aid. It's like temporary.

1:08:15>> Yeah. So I got to figure that out. But I

1:08:17I normally when it comes to immediate

1:08:18family and like close people, I normally

1:08:20just I got an account.

1:08:21>> Damn. I've never had to deal with that

1:08:23like like having like someone else

1:08:24money.

1:08:25>> You're really lucky. Yeah. Yeah. That

1:08:27might be a thing in a lot of athletes

1:08:28world cuz we come from like

1:08:31just I guess just a different place than

1:08:33some streamers, but there's there's so

1:08:35many people in our community that that

1:08:36are are wanting things from us. So many

1:08:38people in our family. Like it might just

1:08:40be a athlete thing or like a artist or

1:08:43rapper thing. Maybe it's everyone with

1:08:44money. I don't know. But yeah, I get a

1:08:46lot of requests. Um,

1:08:48>> interesting.

1:08:48>> What's the most money someone's asked

1:08:50you for

1:08:52that isn't like your mom or your dad or

1:08:53like your siblings?

1:08:56>> Probably like

1:09:01I don't know.

1:09:03People have asked me for like

1:09:07hundreds of thousands of dollars though

1:09:09for sure.

1:09:09>> And they feel comfortable. Like

1:09:12>> I I don't I don't know why they would

1:09:14feel comfortable, but some people

1:09:15>> so wrong.

1:09:16>> Yeah, I know. Do you think streamers

1:09:20>> not on average, but the top streamers,

1:09:21do you think they make more than NBA

1:09:22players?

1:09:23>> Yeah.

1:09:23>> Really?

1:09:24>> Yeah.

1:09:25>> Well, okay. Are you talking about like

1:09:26NBA contract? You talking about like in

1:09:28general like like

1:09:29>> an NBA? So like Steph, I think just

1:09:30signed for two years 18 or something

1:09:33like that. Maybe it was 112. Something

1:09:35around there. Like a a big streamer is

1:09:38making more than 56 M. Yeah.

1:09:40>> A year.

1:09:41>> Yeah. But not like but like like with

1:09:42with the with the brand deals and

1:09:44sponsorships and [ __ ] that you guys get.

1:09:45No. No. Nowhere near. But if you're

1:09:47talking about just NBA the biggest the

1:09:49highest paid streamer is making more

1:09:50than than the highest paid NBA contract.

1:09:53>> Wow.

1:09:53>> 1,000%. 1 million.

1:09:55>> So they're you're making they're making

1:09:56upwards of 100 m a year.

1:09:57>> There's a streamer that's making like 10

1:09:59mill a month.

1:10:00>> That is wild. Okay. Name your Who do you

1:10:03think are the top five highest paid

1:10:04streamers?

1:10:05>> I've talked about this before. Train

1:10:06wreck. It's Trainrex XQC. Aiden.

1:10:09uh trainers as you can see Aiden

1:10:11and then I'll have to say Kai Speed. But

1:10:14I don't I don't know much about Kai and

1:10:15Speed's finances. Like I really I'm

1:10:17really curious because like they could

1:10:18take gambling deals and make so much

1:10:20money. But obviously like they don't

1:10:21want to put that out there and attach

1:10:22their name to that. But like I don't see

1:10:24Speed do a lot of brand deals at all and

1:10:26then Kai like

1:10:29>> he doesn't stream too. I'm like really

1:10:30I'm curious like what I have no idea how

1:10:32much money they make. Do you look at

1:10:34someone like Kai like in in the journey

1:10:36he went through and becoming like the

1:10:38biggest streamer and the guests he had

1:10:40on the fame he had and then he just like

1:10:42kind of like almost like went crazy for

1:10:45a second and needed to detach himself

1:10:46and take a break and go pursue something

1:10:48else.

1:10:49>> Do you look at that and you're like uhoh

1:10:50this could be coming my way or do you

1:10:52just feel like you're just like all in

1:10:55100%.

1:10:55>> I'm all in. He's back now. He's

1:10:57streaming he actually like I think it

1:10:58was uh

1:10:59>> but he needed that break. Yeah.

1:11:00>> Yeah. He needed a break, bro. break.

1:11:02Would I really wonder what would happen

1:11:03if I just took a break for a month, live

1:11:06my life? You know what's crazy? I'm

1:11:07scared to do that because I think I

1:11:08would never come back to streaming.

1:11:10>> You would just be chilling.

1:11:11>> I think I would say, "Fuck this. I did

1:11:13it. I have the money. I'm done. I

1:11:15don't."

1:11:16>> You like black. Yeah. You're pretty much

1:11:17like in a blacked out zone right now and

1:11:19you're just going and coasting.

1:11:20>> Yeah. Cuz Yeah. If I stop, I'm not

1:11:21coming back.

1:11:22>> Next summer, I'mma take you to Turks and

1:11:26Caos for three days. We get on the boat.

1:11:29We chill at the villa. We can we can we

1:11:31can um stream

1:11:33>> one of the days.

1:11:35>> The other two we're chilling.

1:11:36>> Okay.

1:11:36>> And uh

1:11:38>> yeah, I'm going to pay for the trip, but

1:11:40I'm going to do 5050.

1:11:41>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to do

1:11:41that.

1:11:42>> We have to do that. I'm down after after

1:11:43a big

1:11:44>> I'm holding you to that.

1:11:45>> I'm down.

1:11:46>> Do you Okay. Would you rather have right

1:11:49now handed

1:11:51$100 million

1:11:53>> or 100 million loyal followers?

1:11:59100 million loyal followers. No, no

1:12:01question about it. You could turn that

1:12:02into billions. 100 million. No one has a

1:12:05hundred million. Well, like Ronaldo

1:12:07maybe, but like