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0:00Were the horrible abuse and grooming
0:01gangs? Absolutely. Do I think that this
0:04is a big problem
0:08>> for Britain? No. The cultural warriors
0:10talk as though the fundamental problem
0:12facing Britain is some. It's an
0:14irrelevant problem. Is Elon Musk clear
0:16in his mind that a lot of the cases he's
0:18talking about happened 10, 12 years ago?
0:21>> Dr. David Stark, is Rory Stewart right
0:23or wrong?
0:24>> I think Rory Stewart is blind and he's
0:28even more willfully blind. I think about
0:30the nature of Islam. This absolute
0:33determination to see the best in
0:35everybody. Incidentally, apart from you
0:37and me and other wicked people on the
0:39right, to see the very very best of
0:41everybody. It's a naive.
0:43Tommy Robinson has described Rory
0:46Stewart as a clueless posh cword after
0:51the former conservative who I don't
0:54think is a conservative in any sense, a
0:57small C or big C conservative decided to
1:00try and completely demean the Pakistani
1:04Muslim rape gangs, suggesting that
1:06they're not going on now, even though
1:09the Metropolitan Police have admitted
1:11that in London there has been a massive
1:13of cover up and they most certainly are
1:15regardless of what Sadiq Khan says. So
1:17this was Tommy Robinson's response.
1:19Rodrik James Nent Stewart says there's
1:21more important issues in Britain than
1:23Muslim rape gangs. He says they happened
1:2510 years ago thus still operating rod
1:27openly and with our borders open the
1:29world is pouring in and joining the
1:31attacks clueless posh seawwords. Now
1:35we're going to get response from our
1:36superstar panel Dr. David Starky and
1:39Lois Perry in just one moment. But
1:40first, I want to show you what Rory
1:43Stewart said in this interview with
1:45Michael Gove on the spectator because he
1:47also claims that I'm just making up this
1:50Islamist takeover of the United Kingdom.
1:54Were the horrible abuse and grooming
1:56gangs? Absolutely. Are there families
1:59living in Birmingham who I think are
2:02casing bad issues for their own families
2:05and society? Yes.
2:08Do I think that this is a big problem
2:13>> for Britain? No.
2:14>> Okay. This is a manageable
2:17problem, including some very unpleasant
2:20things where the police did not act
2:22correctly. People behaved in an evil
2:24fashion and they need to be prosecuted.
2:27But what are the real problems facing
2:28Britain? Not this. And and the thing
2:30that winds me up is that the cultural
2:33warriors talk as though the fundamental
2:35problem facing Britain is some is an
2:37irrelevant problem in the greater scheme
2:39of things. The fundamental problems of
2:40Britain are our economy is not growing
2:42fast enough.
2:44>> We have no vision of the global order.
2:46We don't have a proper AI and technology
2:48policy. We don't know what to do about
2:50innovation. Our public services are
2:52creaking. Those are the real things that
2:54will make lives better.
2:55>> And there was a little bit more. Of
2:56course, the real enemy is Elon Musk, and
2:59the rape gangs are all over. They're
3:02just all over, Rory Stewart says.
3:05But what worries me is that there's bad
3:07faith here. That the people banging on
3:09about this are banging on about it
3:12totally disproportionately.
3:14They're forgetting that a lot of this
3:16happened some time ago and they talk
3:17about it as though it's now. There's a
3:20lot of illision. Is Elon Musk clear in
3:22his mind that a lot of the cases he's
3:24talking about happened 10 12 years ago?
3:27>> Dr. David Starky, is Rory Stewart right
3:29or wrong?
3:30I think Rory Stewart is blind, but Rory
3:34Stewart is fundamentally that type of
3:37liberal liberal conservative that I
3:39talked about at the beginning. He I
3:41mean, you may have noticed he talks
3:43about an international order. Rory
3:46fundamentally believes that everybody is
3:49the same and he's even more willfully
3:51blind I think about the nature of Islam.
3:54Islam is not like Christianity or at
3:57least it's not like Christianity became
4:00in Britain in the last 200 years.
4:02Essentially Christianity in Britain is
4:05private. It is a matter of personal
4:07belief. Um
4:09with Islam of course it's something
4:11fundamentally different. Islam is not a
4:14religion in our sense of the word. It is
4:16a complete recipe for life including
4:20politics. Uh the Islam claims a
4:23superiority to the state. It claims that
4:26Sharia law is s is superior to the law
4:29of the country. It claims and repeatedly
4:32emphasizes the right to enforce itself
4:35by force. repeatedly. Uh the most
4:38dramatic of course in the form of a
4:40fatwa but by street demonstration and
4:43and and everything else. But the even
4:45more fundamental thing is despite the
4:47fact that this religion has powerful
4:50alien elements, it's also associated
4:53with social groups that are organized
4:56fundamentally differently. We organize
4:59ourselves in small nuclear families and
5:03we're highly individualistic.
5:05These people are bound together not
5:08simply by the religion which ties them
5:10back home and to the Muslim world.
5:12They're bound together by utterly
5:14different things like clans. We talk
5:17about the rape gangs. We're using the
5:20wrong word. These are family groups.
5:23These are rape clans. They rape
5:26families. And not only do they rape in
5:28families, they vote in families. They
5:31they run businesses in families. They
5:34have a completely different system of
5:36banking, a completely different system
5:39of mortgages. In other words, we have
5:41imported for the first, and I want to
5:43bang this point home, harder and harder
5:46and harder. For the first time in our
5:48history, we have imported self-contained
5:52alien groups. That is true. That is a
5:56fact. And for all of the willful
5:58blindness, the the the the se the coo I
6:01mean, look at look at Stuart. that see
6:04no evil, they hear no evil, the smell no
6:07evil, the taste no evil. This absolute
6:10determination to see the best in
6:12everybody. Incidentally, apart from you
6:14and me and other wicked people on the
6:16right, to see the very very best of
6:18everybody. It's a naivity. It's a
6:20blindness. But also, unfortunately, and
6:23I'm going to keep on on this point, the
6:26law is behind him. This is why we can't
6:29solve the problem of the asylum seekers.
6:32The problem of the asylum seekers could
6:34be solved tomorrow.
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6:49>> It needs a change of law and until we
6:53have that change of law and a
6:55willingness to enforce it, we will get
6:57nowhere. And you know all all all all
7:00that you get is again going back to Lisa
7:03Nandandy you get the idea well we've you
7:05know if one group is suffering isn't it
7:07only fair that everybody is suffering
7:09there's a rather sweet article um in the
7:12uh in the spectator today that says
7:14that's a bit like saying because
7:16somebody has been fed you a meat pie
7:18with botulism everybody should be fed a
7:20meat botism [laughter]
7:22but this is the stupidity of our
7:24political class and and but It's in if
7:28if Rory I know Rory Stewart is thank god
7:31a oneoff. Wouldn't it be terrible if
7:33there was a nation? Imagine looking like
7:35that. If there was a nation it's very
7:37unfair but it's true. If there was
7:39>> the Green Goblin
7:40>> if if there was a nation of Rory
7:42Stewarts. But the problem is he
7:44represents
7:46he represents unvarnished without
7:49concealment the fundamental attitude of
7:52our ruling class. That is the problem
7:55that on right and left well until very
7:58recently on right and left which is why
8:01uh he could be a briefly remember a
8:03cabinet minister uh under I think it was
8:06David Cameron and why uh the the
8:09conservatives were in power from 2010 to
8:122024 and none of these problems of
8:16immigration or of the how we deal with
8:19criminals or whatever was solved in the
8:22slightest. They were all made worse.
8:25They were all more deeply entrenched.
8:27Which is why, of course, Nigel Farage
8:29emerged. I mean, Nigel didn't create
8:31these things. He is a response to the
8:34failure of the Union Party. It's very,
8:36very simple.
8:37>> Absolutely.
8:38>> Lois Perry, what's your response to Rory
8:41Stewart?
8:42>> Well, I'd say that the things he's
8:44talking about are actually intrinsically
8:45linked. So, he talks about the economy
8:48not growing at a fast enough rate. Well,
8:50why is that? you [clears throat] know,
8:52it's because there's been a takeover of
8:54all of our institutions by Marxists um
8:58who are unfortunately
9:01again intrinsically linked to radical
9:03Islam and political Islam. They're are
9:05very strange bedfellows, but they're
9:07using each other for each other's
9:09purposes at the moment. And there the
9:12things that that the reason it was so
9:14shocking about the rape gangs was the
9:18complicity of the police, the social
9:21services, the counselors and at the very
9:24top of government in all of this. So it
9:27is the complicity and the woke and the
9:30leftist communist Marxist takeover of
9:33our institutions. The reason our economy
9:36is not growing and the reason why this
9:39happened with the rape gangs. But more
9:41importantly or as importantly, it's the
9:44reason why we are so shocked by it. We
9:47are not shocked as a people um that that
9:49there are groups of of old guys who are
9:53grooming girls unfortunately. But we are
9:56shocked that our police were involved.
9:58They covered it up that the girls were
10:00described as child prostitutes.
10:03Apparently, when the Conservatives were
10:04in power, there were conversations at
10:06the very highest level in in in Downing
10:09Street where they described them as
10:11child prostitutes with um with drug
10:14problems, etc., etc. Oh, don't worry
10:16about it. Do you want to know the real
10:18reason why they didn't worry about it?
10:19Because it wasn't middle class, upper
10:22upper middle class girls who had dads at
10:24home who would fight for them like like
10:27Pittington. they've really really chosen
10:29the wrong people, you know, a very
10:31middle-class Oxford to village to uh to
10:33to put all these put all these young
10:35guys in. Um and so that's that so those
10:38things are linked.
10:39>> Can I Yeah.
10:41>> Can can I get political with you both
10:44because obviously it's relevant, David,
10:46that uh Lois has just launched this new
10:51organization within Reform UK, the
10:53Friends of of Israel organization. Well,
10:57I just need to make one very very quick
10:58point there, Dan. It is an affiliated
11:01organization. It is not within reform.
11:04It is like the other organizations,
11:06conservative friends of Israel, Labour
11:07Friends of Israel.
11:08>> Uh to to some on the right, that is now
11:11highly controversial. Certainly within
11:12Restore Britain. At the same time, David
11:15Starky, there is these massive, massive
11:18donations from these two crypto
11:20billionaires which potentially could
11:23transform reform UK's fortunes after a
11:26very difficult few months. So, I just
11:28really wanted to understand from you
11:30both really where you see uh the the the
11:34political climate moving especially for
11:36Reform UK because we haven't spoken Dr.
11:38Starky since those revelations from the
11:40channel 4 undercover investigation as
11:43well. But first, I've noticed something
11:45since hitting my 40s. I genuinely don't
11:47need to drink very much anymore for me
11:49to notice it the following day. Do you
11:51know what I mean? You go out for dinner,
11:52have a couple of drinks, not excessive,
11:54I promise. Yet the next morning, I'm
11:56thinking, why do I feel like I have lost
11:57half a day here? So, I'm more conscious
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13:13show. But now back to it. Well, I think
13:16that that as it were, the two sets of
13:18things uh fight each other in a really
13:21interesting way. If we go back to the
13:24earlier revelations of people uh like
13:26James or and whatever he was called,
13:29Jukes, who was more or less
13:31>> Dan Jukes, we just saw him. Yeah.
13:33>> Yes. More or less his uh his whatever
13:36you call it, chief operating officer,
13:38whatever. and James or uh his head of
13:41policy, they were soliciting donations
13:44of £35,000
13:48illegally. And you know, it's
13:50extraordinary. It, you know, it's like
13:52trying to snatch a dime from in front of
13:54a moving train. There's the the whole
13:56thing now just looks so completely
13:59stupid, amateur, um misconceived. You're
14:03about to have this vast wall of money
14:06descend upon you. They'd already
14:08received huge donations from both
14:10Harbaugh and everybody else. And it does
14:12point and Louise may disagree with Louis
14:15may disagree with each other for ages.
14:18>> No, just just one second. The the what
14:21it points to is I think what I've talked
14:23about before a fundamental amateurism uh
14:26within re within reform. Uh there is no
14:30clear structure of command. uh uh that
14:33uh I'm afraid I always describe it and
14:36it's it's very naughty in terms of the
14:38analysis uh of of Hitler's way of
14:41running things that you're you're sort
14:43of constantly working towards what you
14:45think Nigel wants. So the problem is
14:48reform at the moment is a court. It's
14:51not a structured party. And it and this
14:56is you can use the court very
14:58effectively to do what Nigel has been
15:00brilliant at. You know again let's say
15:02this loud and clear. He is the most
15:05important figure in 20th 21st century
15:08British political history the the whole
15:12quitting the the the European Union and
15:14what whatever which is seismic would not
15:17have happened without him. On the other
15:20hand these are singleissue campaigns.
15:23what he is now doing aiming to do
15:26apparently which is to become prime
15:28minister to lead a party that will
15:30command a comfortable majority in a
15:33general election. This is an utterly
15:35different thing. Now it may be going
15:38back to the those huge donations the two
15:4136 million uh don which which you tot up
15:45to 72 million. And it may be that if
15:49they're used properly, you can genuinely
15:52professionalize. And again, the
15:54criticism is easy to make, but it's easy
15:56to see what the problem is. Labor and
15:58the Conservatives. The Conservatives
16:00have had two centuries of practice at
16:03this. Labor has had one century. And
16:06reform has barely hasn't even had 10
16:08years. So, it's easy to see what the
16:10problem is. But that demands a degree of
16:14energy of focus of focus on organization
16:18and above all and this is where the
16:19whole discussion needs to come back to
16:22really sharply focused policy that looks
16:25at those big questions all the things
16:28Lois was talking about the reason we're
16:31so badly misgoverned I don't think it's
16:33because of Marxists I don't think many
16:35of these people are Marxists they're
16:37broadly on the left but it is that we've
16:39now got a structure of government that
16:42fights itself that's in contradiction
16:45that that you know you want to build a
16:47railway fine you want to build HS2 at
16:50which point English nature jumps in and
16:52says well sorry you've got to stop we've
16:54got to have a bat tunnel which costs you
16:56know a sort of moderate hundred million
16:58and then they say well we're trying to
16:59build a nuclear power station they say
17:01no our fish might get overheated another
17:05spuffed up 600 million you know and and
17:07this is what goes on and then if we
17:09decide you know You want Bernham is
17:12showing clear indications. He really
17:14does want uh to resume uh some some
17:17production from the North Sea. What is
17:20the risk? Immediately it will be
17:22judicially reviewed because Theresa May
17:24was stupid enough to pass net zero by
17:272050 into law. In other words, we've
17:30deliberately taken power away from the
17:33only people who answer to the country
17:36and the only people who could take an
17:39overview of policy. The only way that we
17:41can balance the rights of the individual
17:44like the illegal immigrant against the
17:46rights of the community is by taking it
17:49out of the hands of judges because
17:51judges will always protect the illegal
17:53immigrant against the need of the
17:55community. They will always protect the
17:57madman against the community. So, but in
17:59other words, what reform has got to do,
18:02yeah, is to inunciate this clearly. It's
18:05got to stop just focusing on immigration
18:08because in that sense, Rory Stewart is
18:11right. The the the but reform, in other
18:14words, it's not that reform isn't
18:17important. It's sorry, it's not that
18:19immigration isn't important. It's not
18:21that the rape gangs are not important,
18:23but they are symptoms. They're not the
18:26cause and you can't deal with them
18:28directly. Only once you've dealt with
18:31the law, once you've changed all of
18:33these bad laws, which between them, they
18:36tie us down. It's like Guliver um in in
18:39in in Lilyut tied down with multiple
18:43multiple bands, chains, locks, and
18:45whatever. Um you to tear them off. Till
18:48we do that, no politician, not Burnham,
18:51not Star Stmer, not not not even Nigel
18:54will be able to do anything. But that
18:56requires you leadership of at least
18:59Thatcher quality of at least Churchill
19:01quality. And the question is, can Nigel
19:04do that? Can any of our politicians?
19:07>> Lois, I just want you to come in on what
19:09Dr. Starky said at the start because the
19:14start of his answer
19:17and he's not an anti- Farage person. I
19:19mean he's just said Farage is the most
19:21important politician of of of the
19:23century
19:25>> but the start of his answer was utterly
19:28scathing about the current setup of
19:31Reform UK. So, I want to give you a
19:33right of reply on that as someone I know
19:34you're not employed by Reform UK, but
19:36you are closely aligned and you are a
19:38close ally of Nigel.
19:40>> Well, first of all, I would say that um
19:42Dan Jukes was not chief of staff. Um and
19:47um mistakes were made uh with regards to
19:51the revelations that came out in the
19:53Channel 4 documentary. And Nigel has
19:56held his hands up to that and said,
19:58"Sometimes we get things right. Most of
20:00the time we get things right but we
20:02always hand hold our hands up when we
20:05get things wrong. Um it is my uh
20:08distinct understanding that there are
20:12extraordinary uh uh uh um h there's an
20:16extraordinary hiring drive happening at
20:18the moment restructuring lots of
20:20different wonderful things happening
20:22within reform HQ. this money will be
20:26extremely helpful and uh yeah so no
20:29thing things are good things are very
20:31good but you know what the most
20:33important thing is when mistakes are
20:35made you hold your hands up and you say
20:37okay got this wrong let's move forward
20:40and the other thing that that David said
20:42that I totally agree with is he said
20:45reform's been going for 10 years
20:47actually I would argue that the reform
20:50party as a as a proper party and this is
20:53no offense to Richard Ty whatsoever. Um
20:56has only been building in in its current
20:59sense for the last well since the last
21:02general election. So yeah um we're we're
21:06doing very very very well. Uh we're not
21:08250 years old. We're not we're not 100
21:10years old. We're not even 5 years old.
21:12But um but you know the polling showing
21:15that we will probably form the next
21:17government. So I don't think Nigel is
21:19doing too badly.
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