What is a hotwife? The Apollo Show #72 ft. Savvy & Alex Suxx

0:10Welcome ladies and gentlemen to another

0:11episode of the Apollo Show. I'm your

0:13host Apollo and I'm here with my

0:15favorite couple in corn, Savvy Sucks and

0:18Alex Sucks. How you going guys?

0:20>> Hello.

0:20>> Thank you for having us.

0:21>> You are so welcome. Thanks for coming

0:23on. This is great. It's always good to

0:24see you.

0:25>> Yes. Excited to be here.

0:26>> Yeah, absolutely. Want to tell everyone

0:28like what you do and who you are?

0:31>> So we are So that's Savvy Sucks. I'm

0:34Alex Sucks. Obviously

0:36we make adult content all over the

0:38internet. A lot of free, a lot of paid,

0:41>> a lot of hot wifeing,

0:42>> a lot of swinging. Just having a lot of

0:45fun.

0:46>> Yeah. Awesome.

0:47>> We're in an open relationship. So we

0:49we're like constantly balancing me as a

0:52solo star and then us as an amateur

0:54couple.

0:55>> Yeah. That's so cool. It's like two very

0:57different things.

0:57>> It's like being on a balance beam all

0:59the time

0:59>> constantly. [laughter]

1:00>> Do you find that you have had two

1:02totally separate audiences for both

1:04those products?

1:05>> Totally.

1:06>> Yeah. True.

1:07>> Yeah. The guys I get are either total

1:08freeloaders like look because my page

1:10will be cheaper looking for stuff of her

1:12or they're like

1:13>> this really wholesome like bisexual

1:16crowd of dudes that's just like very

1:17supportive and like wow it's so nice to

1:19see someone with like a normal body in

1:20porn and all that kind of

1:23>> people either want to see me with him

1:24with an like average

1:27>> delicious fabulous amazing good

1:30>> y

1:32>> or they want to see me like

1:33>> with outrageous

1:34>> with outrageous crazy dick. So, and like

1:37they don't really a lot of them don't

1:39really interact. Like there's a few very

1:41few amount of people that want both.

1:43Yeah.

1:44>> But majority either want one or the

1:46other.

1:46>> And the crossover is cool cuz those

1:48people are like so loyal like the people

1:50in the middle of that. Like we have a

1:51couple's page together on Only Fans and

1:53it like has like the same group of

1:55people that just stay every month and

1:56like we gain a few every now and then

1:58but they always stick around and it's

2:00just like it's a nice little family.

2:01>> Those are my favorite people because

2:02like those are the people that like

2:04>> actually like us.

2:04>> Yeah. Like that we like. smoke weed with

2:06on live stream and like just like talk

2:08[ __ ] or like send snack boxes or some of

2:10them will send us like random gifts.

2:13Like it just those are like our people.

2:14The people that like are like we don't

2:17know what's going on but we're into it.

2:19>> Yeah. How often do you do live streams

2:21>> as a couple?

2:22>> Just in general.

2:23>> In general.

2:24>> Like to give me the whole schedule. I'm

2:25curious.

2:26>> I usually go try to go live like two

2:29times.

2:29>> I mean you

2:30>> a week.

2:31>> Yeah. I was going to say I thought you

2:32say two a month. We basically do like

2:33four streams a month on average I would

2:35say.

2:36>> Is this on your enemy fans?

2:37>> Yeah.

2:38>> And then we do we I'll [clears throat]

2:39usually finish. We call it clocking out.

2:41>> Well, I probably do four of them a month

2:43and then you probably do eight cuz like

2:45we don't do everyone a super special

2:46one. So that way there's still some solo

2:48streams. Makes it a little

2:49>> But we'll do like a couple a week where

2:51I finish Alex as my ending of my live

2:54stream.

2:54>> Oh.

2:55>> And they love that the energy like it's

2:57like uh the gladiator studio. They're

2:59like

3:01come running in from playing Skyrim or

3:03something.

3:03>> Yeah. Like he literally busts into my

3:05room like [laughter]

3:06>> and I see him behind the tripod. I'm

3:08like, "Oh shit."

3:10>> And then he just like comes running up.

3:12>> Okay. Yeah. You ready?

3:13>> You ready for this?

3:15>> The audience wants it.

3:16>> And you're just like, "Okay, whatever.

3:18Put my eyebrows on, but whatever."

3:20>> Yeah. Clark pen glasses off or

3:23something.

3:23>> Yeah. He's turned into Superman.

3:25Supercomer. Just straight.

3:27>> That's how he acts though. like nut

3:28buster.

3:28>> If I'm not nice to him,

3:32[laughter]

3:33>> great. Perfect.

3:34>> If I'm not nice to him, he'll be like,

3:35"Do you want me to get hard today?"

3:38>> Then I always have to be on my best

3:39behavior for this.

3:40>> It's I'm like

3:41>> love a man who asserts his dominance.

3:43That's great.

3:44>> Such authority. Want this dick? Huh?

3:46[laughter]

3:46>> Shape up.

3:47>> Shut the up.

3:48>> It's It's an emotional It's like if it's

3:50upset, it's not coming on set. It needs

3:52to be

3:52>> So, it is a one.

3:53>> That's a great saying. If it's upset,

3:55it's not coming on set. That's a great

3:57idea.

3:58>> Nice.

3:59>> Really good.

3:59>> He once said to me, "Don't touch my bad

4:02energy." [laughter]

4:04>> It remembers. It does.

4:05>> He's also He asked me one time, "Why do

4:08you go into sport mode when you my

4:10dick?"

4:12>> She does.

4:12>> I do.

4:13>> It's cuz she loves it.

4:14>> Yeah, it's awesome.

4:14>> Yeah.

4:15>> I didn't mean it as a bad thing. I was

4:16like, "It's exciting."

4:18>> Yeah.

4:18>> I can see her like getting fired up down

4:20there.

4:21>> She's like, "This belongs to me."

4:23>> I get crazy.

4:24>> Yeah. Yeah. I was like, "Yeah, it's

4:26great. Whatever." It's my favorite

4:28trait.

4:29>> Switches on turbo mode as soon as my

4:31pants come down. Perfect.

4:33>> Yeah. It's kind of like then my the

4:34embarrassment's all over. It's like,

4:36"Okay, I'm

4:38>> I'm going to show you what's up."

4:39>> Yeah. Exactly. Game on.

4:41>> Yes.

4:41>> Yeah. Cool. So, you go you go live twice

4:43a week. That's pretty That's pretty

4:44intense.

4:44>> You go live every

4:45>> I never go live.

4:46>> Really?

4:47>> Well, here's the thing. Whenever I talk

4:49to people who go live very very

4:51successfully, it's always with this

4:52method where they're like, "My top's not

4:55coming off till $100 hits the thing. My

4:57[ __ ] panties are coming off." And

4:59like,

4:59>> as you know, Al, if you're trying to

5:01keep a hard, you can't be like, "All

5:02right, everyone, I'm going to wait five

5:04minutes until this money goes in or

5:07ain't going nowhere."

5:08>> You might be good at that.

5:10>> I don't know. It's hard to keep a boner

5:12when you're also negotiating prices.

5:14>> Yeah, exactly. I don't want to be like

5:16like I feel like if I didn't do the

5:19right thing

5:19>> if I didn't have to keep a hard that's

5:21like that would be the way to do it. But

5:23as a dude I'm like how do I do it? Do I

5:25just do like a lot? I wish there was an

5:27option where people could just pay a fee

5:29to come in. Yeah. Just like literally if

5:31you want to pay 10 bucks come watch and

5:33like 20 people show up great.

5:36Like that's how I'd want to do it and

5:38just be like you guys you enjoy the

5:39show. I've got a few ideas. Check them

5:41out. But I feel like

5:45people

5:47alternatively just like

5:51I hate solos anyway. So I'm always like

5:53if I'm going to do a solo on film I want

5:55to film it and make it a sellable video.

5:57I don't want to just do a live which

5:59might or might not be

6:00>> for like $40.

6:02>> Exactly. Or maybe or maybe like Yeah.

6:04Well, that's the thing like for hours

6:06thing. It's can't be just a 15inute

6:07video. You're having to figure out and

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8:08>> What would you suggest for a solo male

8:10creator like me who's like mainly trying

8:12to sell like videos with like

8:14>> Who's your audience?

8:15>> Well, here's the thing. I've got two

8:16audiences. I've got a solo page which

8:18like you know I don't probably do enough

8:20with it to make it really successful

8:23>> and I've got my collab page which is

8:25like doing okay but that's like mainly

8:27an audience who wants to see me chicks.

8:29>> Yeah.

8:30>> Whereas like the people on my solo page

8:31are most likely all gay men. Love you

8:33guys.

8:34>> I mean you're a blessing for the gays

8:35and for the gals.

8:37>> Yeah. For both.

8:38>> For everyone.

8:39>> No. I think like with the solo page, a

8:41lot of it is just kind of for me, I just

8:43kind of like scour Reddit and see what's

8:45going on that day and then like if I'm

8:46going to make a solo, I just see what

8:48most people are doing like all right,

8:49let's do my own version of that. And

8:51then like with solo content and selling

8:52it, it's tricky because like unless you

8:54have a like if you have a free page like

8:56I did for a while, like I had so I just

8:58switched from free only fans to a paid

8:59only fans. And when I had my free solo

9:01page, I had 2500 subs, but no one was

9:04spending money. Like a few people would

9:05every now and then. And like solo

9:08content barely sold. Like they'd just be

9:10like, I can see my own. Why would I buy

9:12this? That kind of [ __ ] Cuz it was like

9:13a mixed audience like with their people

9:14in mind because it was free.

9:16>> Yep.

9:16>> And then as I went back to the paid

9:19page, I'm down to 20 subs that all kept

9:21rebel on which is chill. Love you guys.

9:23But um cuz we have other pages, too. I'm

9:25not just a 20 sub dude. But

9:27>> yeah, [laughter]

9:28>> but with that one, it's like they're so

9:30interested right now and it's only been

9:31like a week. It makes me excited to post

9:33every day. It keeps me coming back to it

9:35and it's like I can do whatever I want.

9:36Like if I want to do some silly solo

9:38video that I add like a bunch of post

9:39effects to, I can't give a car. They

9:42want to know me. So

9:43>> I' I've actually never thought of it

9:44that way. I should make it more

9:45interesting. I probably put more efo

9:51page.

9:52>> You've just given me a breakthrough. I

9:54should treat it like Instagram in that

9:55like where I do talking videos. The

9:57clothes where I'm just like, "Hey guys,

9:58here's like one for you. This is what

10:00I'm thinking." you know, make it more

10:01about my personality, too. Cuz right

10:04now, I'm just like used a flesh to make

10:06myself come buy the video. You know what

10:08I mean? Like few nudes. Like, it's not

10:10my personality. Watch me drop the high

10:13personality. You actually have a very

10:15relatable personality.

10:17>> Like, you're not like this like dumb

10:19bonehead like no.

10:20>> Totally. I'm not like the typical silly.

10:23And I think that people would be like,

10:24"Whoa, he's smoking hot and he's so

10:27silly." Like, and that's what that's

10:28what makes people love you. Like,

10:30>> it's the silliness. Yeah. People Yeah.

10:32>> You could like cook your weird ass nasty

10:34breakfast naked.

10:36>> Naked.

10:37>> And show your cute little butt and like

10:39wear a little apron and like whip your

10:40around and stuff.

10:41>> That's a great idea. I make breakfast

10:42every day. I cook every day.

10:45>> That's content waiting to be farmed

10:47right there,

10:47>> dude.

10:48>> That would be amazing.

10:49>> Everyone, I'm about to do nude cooking

10:50every morning on my on my solo page.

10:52I'll do 30 days straight. Sign some

10:54paperwork for a percentage.

10:55>> Check out my 30-day challenge.

10:59>> 30day solo challenge. That could

11:00actually go hard.

11:01>> Yeah, that'd be a fun trend, too, for

11:04like other dudes to try and jump on. 30

11:06days of solo content. Like,

11:08>> and well, when whenever I get back from

11:10these trips, I usually come back with

11:11like a lot of content. Not so much this

11:13time, but some preference.

11:15>> Yeah. So, we'll explain that shortly.

11:17But like normally I have like a month,

11:19like literally month to six weeks off.

11:22Like when I say off, I mean just behind

11:23the computer editing. Like I'm literally

11:25either doing social media to promote the

11:27stuff I've just done or I'm doing the

11:29editing, the cutting, the the promos,

11:31the previews, the social media cuts,

11:34all. So in that time, I could easily

11:36when I get back, assuming I you know, I

11:39am able to like Yeah. Assuming I get

11:40back and I'm able to get enough content

11:42to really spread out,

11:43>> right?

11:43>> I'll be able to take that 30 days easy

11:45and then just bang it out.

11:46>> Have fun with it.

11:47>> Creative prompts. You can like write

11:49little ideas on a piece of paper and

11:51then fold them all up and then pick one

11:52out a day. So like, oh, today I'm doing

11:55like a workout video and then I'm going

11:56to do a bunch of body shots of like my

11:58abs and my ass and like flexing things

12:01or today I'm going to do cooking nude or

12:03today I'm going to and then you'll so

12:05then you don't have to even think about

12:06it. You have all your fun ideas.

12:07>> This is a great idea, dude.

12:09>> Well, because you you can do it. That's

12:11you already have so much material that

12:13it's just like

12:14>> oh I can do it.

12:15>> Processing it is the hardest part. Like

12:16we have we have so much content.

12:18>> That's a great idea. If I could just do

12:19the solos and

12:21>> advertise that every day and be like

12:23next 30 days, dude.

12:25>> What if you did like did the mail

12:26stripping video?

12:28>> I could do anything.

12:28>> I could do anything. I literally could.

12:30I could one of those pieces of paper

12:31could be today I'm going to do a strip

12:32for you guys and then I'm going to cook

12:34a meal and I'm going to eat it while I

12:36answer questions.

12:36>> I love that.

12:37>> Yeah. Any questions? No. Great.

12:39>> Great. [laughter] I'll tell you about

12:40myself.

12:41>> Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

12:42>> Yeah. Let them get to know you. That's a

12:44good idea

12:45>> cuz I think everyone just thinks you're

12:46like this guy with great hair and abs.

12:48>> A lot of people just judge me by like um

12:51by how I look and because I'm also a

12:53little bit goofy that is like big, you

12:55know, big gimm bro [ __ ] He's probably

12:57like probably hates everyone. Probably

13:00you know what I mean? Toxic masculinity

13:02is like in right now.

13:04>> Allegedly. Allegedly. No, it is

13:06definitely

13:07definitely it's nuts. You can't avoid

13:09it.

13:09>> What's this?

13:10>> Like the um toxic masculinity.

13:12>> Oh yeah, totally. My Twitter is like

13:14every other every other real name.

13:16>> He has girls that hate him.

13:18>> Really?

13:18>> That's what you were talking about.

13:19Totally.

13:19>> Some girl was like, "I hope he's alone

13:21forever." Like, he deserves

13:23>> like the comment. I did this video where

13:25I was like explaining like I was trying

13:27to date and they don't take me seriously

13:29because they just see me as a piece of

13:30meat, which when in my 20s loved, but

13:33like now that I'm like willfully being a

13:35piece of meat, I'm like kind of want

13:36something different from that

13:37relationship. And then like they just

13:38don't call me again, right? Like, you

13:40know, they were kind of like just on the

13:42free trial sort of thing.

13:44>> But I said that and all these comments

13:45are from women, not dudes, where they're

13:48like,

13:48>> "You deserve to be lonely." Like, "This

13:50is payback."

13:51>> I've never seen that on the internet.

13:52That's crazy,

13:53>> dude. Check that post. I'm going to send

13:54it to you after this.

13:56>> Sandy.

13:57>> Yeah. [laughter] Well, they they're

13:58definitely definitely mad. They've

14:00definitely have some experiences with uh

14:03probably guys similar to the old me. But

14:05like [laughter]

14:06>> but like you know I I was like I was

14:08really I was watching it and I was like

14:09these are like 60-year-old women that

14:11are like oh

14:13the chickens come back to roost. Huh?

14:16>> Well you deserve it. I was like damn it.

14:19>> It's crazy what people do say to you on

14:21the like say to anyone on the internet.

14:22It's like

14:24>> like some What the hell did someone say

14:26to me the other day?

14:26>> On what post?

14:28>> Yeah, good point. [laughter]

14:29>> There's so many in

14:30>> Oh dude, girls get it the worst. I'm not

14:32going to pretend like my comments are

14:33bad. Most my comments are really

14:34positive and I I read all of them. Don't

14:36take advantage of that. And I and I'm in

14:38no way depressed by them. But if I was a

14:40girl, like I I used to date a girl with

14:41like over a million followers and I

14:43would see the kind of comments she would

14:45get as they came. She would delete them

14:46as they go. Great strategy. Cuz then

14:48like the positive builds more

14:49positivity. Whereas if everyone if

14:51there's like 10 negatives in a row, the

14:53next person is like, "Yeah, exactly. Her

14:54eyes are whatever." You know what I

14:56mean? Like

14:56>> it encourages the next guy to say

14:59>> what they think is funnier, crazier, and

15:01it just turns into a pile on it.

15:02>> Exactly. So that's like I think that's

15:04the strategy, but I've never had to

15:06really deal with that. Everyone's been

15:07quite positive.

15:07>> Yeah, we did the same.

15:09>> Besides the You know, you know what gets

15:11to me though? Like the amount of dudes

15:12that are just like when are you going to

15:14a dude? We want you to a dude. When are

15:15you going to get a [ __ ] in your bro?

15:16Have you ever have you? And they'll

15:18think of like 50 different variations of

15:20how to ask how have you have you ever

15:22had an interaction with a dude and tell

15:24me about it.

15:25>> You know what I mean? They'll be like

15:26tell you tell me your thoughts. Have you

15:27ever thought about this? Have you ever

15:29had like an even an inkling about

15:30wanting to have a homosexual experience?

15:32>> Any sleepover stories?

15:33>> Yeah, exactly. You're like, "Bro, get

15:35your out of your hand and get out of my

15:37question box."

15:38>> Well, I think I think that's the hard

15:40thing is like our characters that cuz I

15:42think that there is a level I don't know

15:44if maybe you don't feel this way, but I

15:46do is like Savvy sucks. Like how much of

15:48my actual Savannah can be there and how

15:51much of Savvy can be there? Like when

15:53I'm tweeting, is that my nar? Cuz like I

15:55would just tweet silly [ __ ] all day.

15:57Like I said Hershey kisses was a gateway

15:59drug and I thought that was going to

16:00nail [laughter] it go viral for sure.

16:03>> But then like I'll tweet things that

16:06Savvy my like sexual self would say and

16:10then it's just I'm like okay like what

16:12level of character is Apollo to your

16:14actual personal self or do you feel like

16:16it's the same person?

16:17>> To be honest I do so much content that

16:19if I didn't really act like myself I

16:23wouldn't be able to sustain it. And I

16:24think it would be very um see-through.

16:27So like to me like obviously it g like

16:31actually you know what do

16:32>> now that you mention it I was always the

16:35kid to say like dirty funny dumb jokes

16:38in the wrong company [snorts] and always

16:40get in trouble for it. So the fact that

16:42I can get on Twitter and be like

16:45nothing better than pushing past the gag

16:47reflex or [ __ ] whatever like like

16:49just literally say whatever the I want

16:51and people are like retweet retweet

16:53retweet. This is [ __ ] hilarious.

16:55>> Like I knew that was a good one.

16:57>> I knew when I said that at Christmas

16:59dinner it was funny.

17:00>> Anyway,

17:01>> bunch of lames comedy.

17:04>> Very relatable. [laughter]

17:06>> Yeah. So for me I'm like I'm just me,

17:07dude. Like the people, if you know

17:09Apollo guys, you know me because that's

17:11how it's got to be. Cuz you I like it

17:12wouldn't take many episodes for you to

17:14be like, "Wait, I thought he said he was

17:16from a like a you know underprivileged

17:18family. Sounds like he just said that he

17:20was well off when he was a kid."

17:21Whatever. Like you know like they

17:23literally see through it cuz I can't

17:24[ __ ] tell like I can't remember my

17:26lies, you know?

17:27>> I could.

17:28>> I think the thing that I struggle with

17:29mostly is like like being savvy. I feel

17:32like like being myself on the internet

17:34and being a business. When I say being

17:36savvy, I mean like having my personal

17:38like my person being a business. It's

17:41like, you know, a lot of guys want horny

17:43[ __ ] 247. Totally.

17:45>> And I'm judge you for that.

17:47>> Yes.

17:47>> Yep.

17:48>> But I'm a horny [ __ ] but 90% of my

17:51day I'm just a silly goose,

17:53>> right? You're probably one of the

17:54silliest people I've ever met. So, it's

17:55hard to balance that cuz then like when

17:57I want to share media or when I want to

17:58share myself or when I want to share

18:00things on social media, I'm like, "Okay,

18:02like how do I share all of these really

18:04fire memes without turning anyone off

18:08>> but [laughter] but also like with social

18:10media, I don't think you need to be

18:12obligated to really appease those people

18:15in a sexual way."

18:16>> Like if you didn't want to like

18:18obviously you want to try and rustle up

18:19business, but that's like I think the

18:22sexual you should be like your

18:25obligation is to the people who are

18:26actually paying you on your site. So for

18:28you, if you're like, "Look, I want you

18:29to guys to get to know me, you know,

18:32when I'm actually being a human being as

18:34opposed to like when you just see me as

18:35a sexual object, which both are fine,

18:38but this platform for free is going to

18:40be 85 to 90% me and you might get a

18:43thirst trap every now and again, and

18:45you're still going to love me for it

18:46because I'm cool chick."

18:48>> Like, so I don't think you should feel

18:49bad for that. And [ __ ] those people in

18:50the comments who are like, "We thought

18:52you were just ashole block bitch." You

18:55know what I mean? Like they are idiots.

18:56Like they're not the audience you want

18:57anyway.

18:58>> Exactly. You got to just play to the

18:59audience you're trying to have. Like you

19:01if you play to the audience that you

19:02don't want, they're going to stay cuz

19:04they're loving the show.

19:04>> That is so [ __ ] true. Because when I

19:06do post anything that feels like outside

19:08of my self, it gets like roasted in

19:10flames.

19:11>> Yeah.

19:12>> They're like,

19:12>> "What

19:13>> is that insecurity?"

19:14>> Yeah. Exactly. They can tell you. I

19:16mean, it's really like what I'm noticing

19:18within the industry is people who do

19:20really really well are just

19:21authentically or at least very

19:23convincingly authentically themselves.

19:24Like there's no doubt that that's who

19:26they are. Like

19:27>> Exactly.

19:28>> And it's it's easy to keep up with. You

19:29don't have to double back and check if

19:31you told too many lies or some [ __ ]

19:32>> No, but it's also hard to put yourself

19:34out there in an interesting way.

19:37>> Like

19:37>> it's scary,

19:38>> you know? Like real people are our lives

19:40are not that interesting all the time.

19:41>> Well, I used to think like my life's

19:43boring. I just do Only Fans. But turns

19:45out like

19:45>> no one else does.

19:46>> Well, yeah. Well, turns out people like

19:48are very interested with what we do,

19:50especially now that I'm like collabing a

19:51lot and like traveling the world. Like

19:53that's super interesting. But then

19:54there's also the next factor for me

19:56which is like not a lot of people do as

19:58much training as I do. Don't know the

20:00discipline. They don't cook for

20:01themselves. I'm like my whole

20:03>> my whole life Yeah. like my whole life

20:05in different aspects could be very

20:07interesting to a very niche audience of

20:09people like who, you know, want to get

20:11like more in touch with their health as

20:14well as their, you know, sexual health

20:16and all that kind of stuff, you know,

20:17like sexual energy, I should say.

20:19>> Yeah, I think that that's you are very

20:21interesting. See, Alex is also very

20:23interesting.

20:23>> You're interesting, too. I think that

20:25you are so afraid of it that

20:27>> Yeah, maybe

20:27>> we don't realize how interesting you

20:29are. We wouldn't have gotten to the

20:30level you've gotten

20:32>> exactly

20:32>> if we weren't. Let's move on. [laughter]

20:36>> She's shy.

20:38>> It's all right. Oh, sorry. No, you did.

20:40Slammed into

20:40>> Wow, you really did prepare.

20:42>> I love you.

20:42>> I'm just I'm just all about trying to

20:43make it make it good, you know? I don't

20:45want these poor people to watch

20:46something that's just a bumbling mess.

20:48Even though we haven't had I asked you

20:49one question and that was that was half

20:52an hour ago.

20:53>> We like talking. We're like actually

20:55friends in real life, so it's easy for

20:57us to chat.

20:58>> Yeah, 100%. Well, I also think our first

21:00podcast was so funny cuz someone was

21:01like, "This is just two hours of Savvy

21:03telling Apollo how [laughter] great he

21:04is."

21:05>> I was like, "I love this episode."

21:06>> We were so stoned. Like, you're amazing.

21:08You're carved out of stone.

21:09>> So good.

21:10>> What did we just have? Like, cuz we just

21:12we just had something to smoke. I don't

21:13know what it is. Like, what what's it

21:15called? Like, cuz it's not real weed,

21:16right?

21:17>> It was like a THCA compound. So, it's

21:19like they can sell it in Florida cuz it

21:22doesn't have active like THC until you

21:25smoke it. So it's like just CBD

21:27>> cuz I do feel baked, but I don't feel

21:29like totally off the planet like I

21:30normally would.

21:31>> It's very body high.

21:32>> Yeah, I do feel like I've just had an

21:33edible. That's actually a good good

21:35Well, I suppose have [laughter]

21:37>> we started with real and then we ran

21:40out.

21:40>> Yeah, we went to breakfast, had an

21:41edible,

21:42>> had a drink.

21:43>> Had a had a cocktail. Came back here.

21:46Probably like the perfect like mix to

21:47start.

21:48>> [ __ ] racist.

21:50>> We're in Miami right now. It's hot.

21:53>> So so hot here. [laughter] It's human

21:55cell.

21:56>> All right. How did you guys meet? And um

21:58where did this all begin for you guys?

22:00>> We kind of met in a crazy way, like

22:02almost like shooting star type [ __ ]

22:04>> We were both in the Cat Skills. Like I

22:07had just come back. Well, I had just

22:09been working at a ski lodge up there.

22:11She had just come back from England

22:13>> coming off hot off a divorce within like

22:16two weeks of it. I had just come out of

22:17a relationship with her.

22:18>> Very horny. Obviously.

22:19>> Obviously.

22:20>> Really tough ride. like she had some

22:22substance issues and stuff and it was

22:24just a lot.

22:26[laughter]

22:26>> Like some some heavy drinking was going

22:28on after work and it was just crazy.

22:30>> Wait, you're not talking about me,

22:31right?

22:31>> Oh god. Okay. I WAS LIKE, TOO. I WAS

22:34LIKE,

22:35>> when did I have [laughter] a substance

22:36abuse problem?

22:38>> Like, did was I that hot?

22:39>> I WAS LIKE THE PREWORKOUT. ARE YOU

22:40TALKING ABOUT WHEN I WAS DRINKING

22:41PRE-WORKOUT?

22:42>> Oh my god. No, I just came out of like a

22:44train wreck of a relationship before

22:46this. I'm stone, so if I ramble, correct

22:48me if I got fine.

22:50>> Yeah. So, it was crazy for both of us.

22:51We matched on Tinder and the hotel I

22:54worked at, you used to work at. So, you

22:55were the first like bad [ __ ] I matched

22:57with with that run of Tinder cuz I was

22:59just getting back on and I went around

23:01the kitchen, she was from there. I was

23:02like, "Oh, Paige, you're from here. Do

23:03you know Savvy? Like, do you know her?"

23:05And she's like, "Yeah, I think she's

23:07married." And I was like, "Oh, like

23:09what's going on? Am I going to be a

23:11mistress?" Like, I was all fired up. So,

23:12>> yeah. You're like, "Yes."

23:13>> Yes. Like, I'm going to get some easy

23:15puss right now. She wants the

23:17>> She does. But

23:19>> she [laughter] did indeed.

23:20>> Turns out you were way cooler than that.

23:22Even that though that's pretty cool. We

23:24went to like this dive bar for our first

23:25date. You can take over from here if you

23:27want.

23:27>> So we went to like this little dive bar

23:29in my hometown, Woodstock,

23:32and before he arrived, I ordered four

23:34hot dogs, two for each, obviously, and

23:36margaritas. And we played pool until

23:38like 2:00 in the morning. Like just had

23:41so much fun.

23:42>> Fingered on the pool table and no one

23:43was looking.

23:44>> Fingered me on the pool table. Yeah.

23:46>> Then we went back to his house which was

23:48top of the mountain and he had his bed

23:50on the floor and I slept over and

23:52literally he cream pied me that night.

23:54Yep. I moved in the next day.

23:55>> Yeah. Cool. So

23:56>> and this is not like a for the social

23:58media story. This is for real life.

24:00>> Real life.

24:00>> Just moved in. You're like

24:02>> me. We woke up the next morning. He's

24:03like I know this sounds crazy. I was

24:05like don't even say it. Cuz I wanted to

24:07say it first. And then he's like I think

24:09I love you. I was like

24:10>> there's a key detail. Can I just say,

24:12did you say you loved each other on like

24:14the first date?

24:15>> We knew.

24:16>> To me, I'd be like, I got red flag.

24:18>> I didn't tell anybody.

24:19>> Look at the time. I'm not even watching.

24:21I'm not Don't even wear a watch. Look at

24:23the time. I need to get out of here,

24:24man. [laughter]

24:25>> We were both so nervous cuz like we just

24:27both like our both our families were

24:29like, "You guys should be single for a

24:30bit." That kind of [ __ ] So, it was a

24:32little scary, but like we literally woke

24:34up in my like I had no furniture yet. I

24:37had just moved into this house. So, if

24:38any

24:38>> I was going to say mattress on the

24:39floor, very dude energy. literally had I

24:41was like I want to get murdered.

24:42>> I was 26 at the time. So

24:44>> yeah, it's definitely 20 mid20s energy

24:47cooking like working 12 hours a day like

24:49barely home.

24:50>> Y

24:51>> we rented this house in the middle of

24:53the cat skills like literally up a

24:54mountain like you said. So super hard to

24:56get to. So she trusted me at 2 a.m.

24:58hammered to take her into this cabin

25:00>> and also not surprising.

25:02>> Yeah, [laughter] not at all. And now

25:04>> real sewer rat behavior.

25:05>> Yeah. But yeah, the the next morning we

25:08go out and we get Reuben's at the place

25:10he worked at and we're eating these like

25:12big sandwiches and she's like, "It's

25:14kind of crazy, but like I think I love

25:16you." And I was like, "I don't want to

25:17say it, but like I love you, too."

25:18[laughter]

25:19>> And I didn't tell anyone that for so

25:21long cuz I was like, "This is going to

25:22go down burning flames. This is going to

25:24be I'm going to get so roasted for

25:25this."

25:26>> And I mean, here we are almost 6 years

25:28later.

25:29>> Long time. Yeah.

25:30>> Good for you guys.

25:31>> It's really crazy when you know I know

25:33it's corny, but it's corny for a reason.

25:35when you know, you know, like

25:36>> Yeah. Yeah, you do. You really do. And

25:38it's like,

25:39>> you think that in the beginning, like

25:40when you're young, like the first person

25:41you kind of have sex with or something,

25:43you fall into that space of like, "Oh, I

25:45know." But like when you get older, you

25:46can really tell when there's a spark.

25:48Like after you've had some experience,

25:49it's like you know when there's someone

25:50that you like get along with,

25:52>> right? I've had a lot of dates, seen a

25:54lot of people even like like just even

25:55like had what I would say like lots of

25:58chemistry on like set sometimes. And

26:00like

26:01>> honestly, it's really older I get, the

26:03more I'm like I know exactly what I

26:04like. I know exactly what rubs rubs me

26:06the right way. And not just sexually,

26:07like with my mind.

26:09>> And yeah, I can I can't I can count on

26:12like three fingers probably in

26:14situations that I didn't totally enjoy

26:17being in, you know, in the last decade.

26:19Whereas in my 20s, I would go through

26:20and like,

26:21>> oh yeah,

26:21>> you know, I'd be like, you know, you

26:22seem weird, but you got like a

26:25>> come on over and I'm like, and then like

26:27then 10 minutes into a conversation when

26:29she's in your living room, you're like,

26:30>> you got to get really really should have

26:32listened to my gut. I knew this was

26:35coming. [laughter]

26:36>> Yeah, that's so true though. Well, and

26:38you just knew right away. First day is

26:39crazy, but I mean six years is is huge,

26:41especially in 2025.

26:43>> Especially in the street corners.

26:46>> Yeah. So, tell me about that. So, like

26:48did you always were you always like with

26:50your old partner like a swinger? Like

26:53did you always enjoy watching your

26:55>> No, he was just a cheater

26:56>> and so was I.

26:58>> Hey,

26:59>> we were just me too happens. Sorry

27:01[laughter] guys. I try my [ __ ] I'm

27:04not a I'm not a bad person, but you

27:06know, happens to

27:06>> We don't do it anymore.

27:07>> Happens to the best of us.

27:08>> We Well, I don't do it anymore.

27:10>> I don't have to. There's no reason.

27:11>> Yeah, you whoever you want, but

27:13[laughter]

27:14>> Whoa, whoa, whoa. Speak for yourself.

27:16>> I don't know that I'm trying. [laughter]

27:18>> But no, I think it's like for me, I was

27:20just really bad at communicating in

27:22prior relationships. So, I've always had

27:24this in me, but I would,

27:25>> you know, sometimes I've been with

27:26partners who were kind of fun like that

27:28and then sometimes very monogous people,

27:30but it never was the way I was. And

27:32whenever I tried to communicate that I

27:34was into like an open relationship, it

27:35would be like hitting a brick wall of

27:37like no.

27:38>> Yeah.

27:38>> And then that led to some poor choices

27:40at a younger age. Um

27:41>> they were not poor. You good?

27:43>> Testosterone was high. But now we're

27:45here and it feels like much more

27:46fulfilling cuz we talk about everything.

27:48We're on the same page. It's exciting

27:50>> and you know it's like

27:51>> I think I think you that's the thing.

27:52You need to be accepting of it within

27:54yourself and you have to be ready for

27:56it. It's like it's like anything. It's

27:57like when like people come out of the

27:58closet. Like they don't come out of the

27:59closet at 25 because they weren't gay

28:01till 25.

28:02>> They're just ready.

28:03>> They come out cuz they're like, "You

28:04know what? I'm sick of like pushing

28:05these thoughts to the side. I'm sick of

28:07like not facing these emotions that are

28:10clipped onto it.

28:10>> I'm ready to be

28:11>> head on." Exactly. I'm ready to be me.

28:13So yeah, I think that's exactly what

28:15what it needs to be. But yeah, so you

28:17left your old relationship, started

28:18seeing Sav, and then you guys explored

28:20this together. That's beautiful.

28:21>> Pretty quickly. Yeah. I mean, we were at

28:23first like it was monogous for like the

28:25first month. We were like

28:26>> first month.

28:27>> Yeah. Like literally like we were out

28:28and about wherever we were going.

28:30>> Oh, we were so horny. We used to like

28:32literally I would 24/7 soaking through

28:36my panties.

28:36>> I would like leave work like I would

28:38like make excuses to miss work cuz I was

28:40like getting these crazy nudes to my

28:41phone like while cooking. I'd be like I

28:43got to go eat a bad oyster or something

28:44like I got to get out of this kitchen

28:46right now. Like

28:47>> you were a chef before?

28:48>> Yeah, I was a chef. I was a line cook. I

28:50mean

28:50>> Oh wow. So a lot of hours.

28:52>> Yeah. I was like a line cook who was

28:54really naive kid. So, I was given a lot

28:56more responsibility than a line cook

28:57should have had. So, like I call myself

28:59a chef, but it was a grind. It I'm so

29:02glad that we got into adult work. Like,

29:04I wouldn't trade that for anything.

29:05Like, the way my body felt, the way my

29:07mind felt, the way my weight would

29:08fluctuate on like busy weeks and [ __ ]

29:10it was so bad for me, like healthwise.

29:12>> I think I think that's like everyone

29:13who's a chef. I've got a few mates back

29:15home who are a chef. And no matter how

29:17high up the food chain they get, they're

29:18still doing 12hour days. They're still

29:20working their ass off. The stress is

29:21through the roof. Balding. Yeah,

29:24>> I was balding at that point. I had like

29:25a bald spot. It came went back. It came

29:27back. Thank god.

29:28>> I'm surprised you don't have the chef

29:30hunch. You know what I mean? Where

29:31they're cuz they're always like this.

29:32>> A little one. I'm like working working

29:34on it now like actively cuz it really

29:36>> nowhere near as bad as a couple mates of

29:38mine. Like a couple mates of mine cuz

29:39they're all maybe cuz they're taller

29:40than you

29:41>> and the ancel system or whatever is the

29:43hoods are so

29:44>> what you put under it. So you end up

29:45looking kind of like Mr. Burns at the

29:47end from from the Simpsons for people

29:49who don't know who that is.

29:50>> Yeah. like a really

29:51>> insert picture here.

29:53>> Exactly. That's who this guy is. Did you

29:55start with swinging first before

29:57videoing or did you start Reddit and

30:00like sending out putting out nudes for

30:02money at the same time?

30:04>> So, we both like were

30:06>> we were horny posting

30:07>> horny posting way before we even knew

30:09each other. Yeah.

30:10>> As well. So, this has always been

30:11something we've kind of been interested

30:13in.

30:13>> I used to be a Tumblr boy back. Such a

30:16>> And I used to respond to Craigslist ads.

30:18>> Oh, really?

30:19>> Yeah. hot like sexy housekeeper

30:22livein position like sexy secretary

30:25live-in position. I would I would send

30:27my picture. I would give them my resume.

30:30>> A lucky guy.

30:30>> Well, no. None of no one ever took me up

30:32on it cuz they probably thought I was a

30:34cop.

30:34>> I never got a single reply.

30:36>> You were giving with your

30:37>> Imagine they watch this podcast and

30:39they're like, "God,

30:41>> they might

30:41>> they have like an old Polaroid of the

30:43photo. It's, you know,

30:45>> look at this FBI trying to get us.

30:48>> This is gnar.

30:49>> That's crazy.

30:50>> So, we we both had it in us and then

30:51when we met each other, it's because

30:53like none of my previous partners and

30:55this is the thing. I think there's like

30:56certain people that get into sex work

30:58and really I don't think anyone outside

31:01of that can really be successful in it

31:02because you have to be like a real true

31:04like horny pervert I feel like to to be

31:06successful in sex work.

31:08>> Well, yeah. You have to be a like the

31:10people who do the best are the people

31:11that love it. Like if you're like a

31:14Instagram girl but you like you hate sex

31:17>> but you're not very sexual and like the

31:19thought of getting like proper is not

31:22for you then the videos just not going

31:24to sell. Well, I mean like in saying

31:26that they make a lot of money because

31:27their social media like the people just

31:29once again love them. They want to see

31:31them get

31:32>> sex or anything.

31:33>> Exactly. Like

31:34>> it's like unlocking that like locked up

31:36treasure or something like I can finally

31:38see my favorite hot girl naked. That

31:40kind of thing.

31:40>> Totally. But yeah, to do it in you need

31:43to be

31:43>> about it

31:44>> like about it

31:45>> about that life.

31:47>> So we when we did start posting we

31:49started posting on Reddit way right

31:51before the pandemic like posting

31:54randomly

31:54>> just like [ __ ] on my personal Reddit

31:57account with my first and last name. No

32:00security or safety there. Just throwing

32:02to the wind. Yeah. [laughter]

32:06>> And then I would I started getting like

32:07these texts from our family members and

32:09[ __ ] like every night. Like my mom once

32:11saw our Twitter and was like, "What the

32:12are you guys doing?"

32:13>> Yeah. When he fisted me on

32:14>> Oh my god.

32:16>> He fisted me at his grandmother's house

32:17and his mom found the picture of him

32:19fisting me at his grandma's house and

32:21was like, "Are you guys okay?"

32:23>> She's like, "Is that the blanket I grew

32:25up with?"

32:26>> That's what I nestled into as a baby.

32:28>> She's like, "I'll be blocking you now,

32:30but I still love you."

32:31>> Well, that's nice.

32:32>> I didn't know she was on Twitter. I was

32:33surprised. It's like [ __ ]

32:35>> Yeah. I think like back in the day I

32:36used to think only famous people had

32:37Twitter.

32:38>> Same. I would just use it to say stupid

32:40as like a high school kid and just be

32:42like this person's an idiot.

32:44>> Yeah. [laughter] Perfect. I never even

32:45had it. Like I literally cuz it was

32:47impossible to grow compared to

32:49Instagram. And still is unless you're

32:51doing like for me unless I'm doing like

32:52nude pics nothing goes anywhere.

32:54>> You know what I mean? Like if I do a

32:55safe for work it gets one retreat and

32:57I'm like that'sing good handsome photo

32:59you sons of [ __ ]

33:00>> Good handsome photo. It's a It's a

33:02>> Sorry, I burped when you leaned in. I

33:04was like, "Oh no, you leaned in." I was

33:05like, "No."

33:06>> I hope the mic got that good. Put a

33:08little sound effect on it.

33:09>> Laughs and farts same time.

33:11>> Oh [ __ ] [laughter]

33:14>> I don't fart. I'm a girl.

33:15>> Totally. Totally. You still got it.

33:17>> Now guys, how was your experience with

33:19Vixen doing uh their wiping series?

33:21>> It was a lot of fun. Honestly, I I

33:24really enjoyed myself. They were really

33:25cool. They made you feel real special

33:27cuz like the husbands got the stylist

33:29too and everything. So, it was like a

33:30real day on So, you actually got up in

33:32makeup as well.

33:32>> Well, they just gave me a nice outfit.

33:34They're like, "You're perfect the way

33:35you are."

33:37>> He brought his own shirts. He brought

33:38all his fun like pattern shirts and the

33:40stylist was like, "Oh, absolutely."

33:43>> I would have looked so good though. But

33:45>> hey, you got to got to like do a cater

33:47to their vision.

33:49>> But I think you would have looked

33:50better.

33:50>> Thank you. I appreciate that. They made

33:52me look like almost a typical cuck, but

33:54you know,

33:55>> they [laughter] totally did. We had a

33:56meltdown about it.

33:57>> They were like, "Here's like an office

33:58buttondown and some baggie jeans." And I

34:00was like, "Oh, here we go.

34:02>> Make me wear joggers as well."

34:03[laughter]

34:04>> Classic.

34:05>> Yeah, it was that part was a little

34:06nerve-wracking. And like when we first

34:08got the footage back like the night

34:09after, like

34:10>> it was the It was like 6 hours before

34:12they launched everything.

34:14>> They finally sent us all the media

34:15>> cuz it was so busy for them. They had to

34:17launch a whole website. They have all

34:18these couples to coordinate and it was

34:20crunch time. Like we knew that going in

34:21that it could be a little crazy.

34:23>> [ __ ] hits our phones and I just had a

34:26mental breakdown.

34:27>> Why? just cuz of like

34:28>> just cuz I realized like oh my god like

34:30a my family's definitely going to see

34:32this. We just had all kind of the

34:33reality of it kind of sunk in.

34:35>> Like I'm going to have to like spin this

34:37quickly to be funny like that. And like

34:39it was just a lot of like some of the

34:40pictures we hadn't like approved or

34:41denied yet. And like we had time I

34:43didn't know that to deny some of them

34:45>> and we denied them. Thank god cuz there

34:46were some that they like had a look

34:49between the two of them like and like

34:51you could see me through the triangle

34:53>> and he looked so sad and it was and the

34:55quote was it feels like a shared

34:57experience and I was like that's

34:59targeted.

35:00>> That's I have it though. I'm going to

35:02pull it out of my pocket someday. It's

35:03like sitting in there. [laughter]

35:05Just drop it like when I'm all in shape

35:07cuz I've been training for a while.

35:08Yeah.

35:09>> Well, I think we weren't expecting that

35:10cuz the experience was so good. Like we

35:12had such good experience that when we

35:14saw the footage and like some of the

35:16pictures, we were like

35:18>> they're like trying to get that kind of

35:20like the narrative.

35:21>> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz for for those who don't

35:24know like there's a difference between

35:26hot wife and cuck scenario. Like the hot

35:28wife is uh Do you want to answer this?

35:30for us like hotwifing is more of like he

35:32is using other like we are using that

35:35third person to kind of push my limits

35:37like [clears throat] there's so much

35:38only like and also like we have a very

35:40passionate intimate relationship

35:42>> but also

35:43>> it is a shared experience like it really

35:45is it's not like a shame experience to

35:47like add that to

35:48>> it. Yeah. Like it's not about

35:50degradation like so cucking is more it's

35:53and

35:53>> it is fun for some people. Yeah. But

35:55that's not what we do. And that's what a

35:56lot of people assume. And that's what

35:58all the couples that we've talked to

35:59that have also done wifey is people

36:01automatically assume if you share your

36:03wife, if you're a swinger, if you're a

36:04hot wife, whatever, if you're just in an

36:06open relationship, um, they assume it's

36:09all cucking. They assume it's all my

36:12first hot wife experience. And I didn't

36:14know that either. I thought it was going

36:15to be I I had to I thought I had to

36:16shame the husband and like

36:17>> Did you start doing it?

36:19>> I [laughter] was like I was I was this

36:21close, dude. I was just I was about to

36:22start being like

36:24>> like you [ __ ] like this you piece of

36:26[laughter]

36:26>> it. Don't you [ __ ]

36:28>> Youucking love watching this, don't you?

36:30It makes you feel like a loser. You can

36:31never

36:32>> people love

36:32>> Well, this is the thing. I thought

36:33that's what like as a blanket because I

36:35think you're right. That's how it's

36:37advertised to the public. So like yeah,

36:40like if it's a so cucking I always say

36:42is degrading and poting is an uplifting

36:44experience to the husband. It's

36:45respectful. So it's like I would shake

36:46your hand and be like, "Thank you so

36:48much for this experience. It's going to

36:49be great.

36:49>> Enjoy my wife." Yeah. [laughter] Whereas

36:51like the other one would be like get

36:52out. You know what I mean? Like it's

36:55>> Yeah. It's totally different.

36:56>> Yeah. And

36:57>> so did they advertise anyone else in the

36:59uplifting way or was is the brand kind

37:01of a little bit targeted towards the sad

37:03cuck.

37:04>> I actually think that what they're

37:05trying to do is actually really

37:06positive. It's just the internet at

37:08large is tough. But the I think what

37:10it's doing is creating a really good

37:11chance for narrative around that cuz

37:13like all the couples get to talk in the

37:14comments and stuff about like how it's

37:16not just cuckolding and like for and

37:18there's that interview portion of the

37:20wifey scene where you get to talk about

37:21it a little bit and it's like

37:23>> it gives people more of an idea that

37:24there's more than just cucking out

37:26there. I think that's a very positive

37:27thing that wifey's doing.

37:28>> I think they're probably learning a lot

37:30as they're meeting all these couples.

37:32There's I think that anyone that's in an

37:35open style relationship,

37:37>> it's totally customizable. There's none

37:40I don't know anyone that has the same

37:41exact like when I talk to another couple

37:43that they don't have the same things

37:45that like guidelines and boundaries that

37:46we have or like we don't have the same

37:48that other people have. It's all so

37:50different. And I think that that's kind

37:52of like maybe it is bringing up the

37:54conversation of like cucking and hoting

37:55are two very separate things.

37:56>> Yes. or like the Stag Vixen dynamic and

37:59like the just like more of an open

38:00relationship dynamic because a lot of

38:02the people who went on I think are more

38:03even open relationship dynamic than just

38:05hot wife. Like some of those guys

38:06perform on the side too that were on

38:08wifey. So it's like it's all sorts of

38:10people are getting to do it which is

38:11really cool.

38:12>> Yeah.

38:12>> Yeah. Unreal.

38:13>> I think it's maybe like the time where

38:14we're and I think maybe their website's

38:16helping do that is like define like the

38:18differences of it and kind of like

38:20categorize like or like kind of like

38:22show all the different dynamics that are

38:24possible. That's why I was asking if

38:26they do advertise the all the different

38:27types because honestly they're not all

38:29the different types but both ways where

38:30it's an uplifting experience for the man

38:32where it's not. I mean it would be smart

38:33to

38:34>> I don't think they've done any cucking

38:35but a lot of the comments that are on

38:37their stuff are like we want cucking. We

38:38want more um like

38:41>> the husband being more involved and like

38:44>> I think it varies from scene to scene

38:45because I've seen like on some scenes

38:47it's like they're saying that and then

38:49on others the guy actually fits that

38:51role a little better and they they're

38:52like this is perfect. So, it really just

38:54depends on the guy. And I think that's

38:55like casting can be tricky because you

38:57have to find couples that are down,

38:58which is like you're gonna have to put

39:00>> Well, this is the hard thing, isn't it?

39:01Because like what percentage of couples

39:03out there would be willing to go on like

39:04would be willing to go on there?

39:06Probably not a lot. You kind of fit the

39:08Vixen look, you know, like

39:10>> or like have the class to do it.

39:12>> Yeah. Or have the ability to do it like

39:14socially. That's I was having this

39:15conversation about male creators the

39:16other day where there's such a small

39:18amount that have like big enough in the

39:20first place and then there's an even

39:22smaller amount of those that have the

39:23situation where it's like they're able

39:26to do it. They don't they don't have a

39:27job they're going to lose. They don't

39:28have a family they're going to lose.

39:29They don't you know

39:30>> they're in a position where they're

39:31confident enough. They have a social

39:32media that's popping.

39:33>> There's a small pool.

39:35There's the whole psychological aspect

39:37of like some guy's ego gets in the way

39:39and like you get competitive and it gets

39:41harsh and like there's very few people

39:42in the whole adult industry who have

39:44like a level-headed approach to

39:45anything. So like when you find those

39:46people it's crazy. You're like, "Oh

39:47shit."

39:48>> Well, I think you're probably in a

39:49category where like

39:51>> it's t like like doing them to cast

39:54couples. It's like at least one of you

39:55is like levelheaded and like not may

39:58maybe not a whole totally wild person.

40:00You know what I mean? Because I feel

40:01like opposites attract. So yeah. Right.

40:03[laughter] Like like there has to be

40:05some stability.

40:06>> What are you saying?

40:06>> Like you're the crazy.

40:07>> You're like me though. You're like just

40:09a little bit, you know, up in the air.

40:11>> That's what's what I like about you and

40:14our other friend Hung in LA is like for

40:16us it's really the dynamic is super

40:18important of like who we bring into our

40:21relationship, who I hook up with. Like

40:23it it really does have to be such a

40:25specific person cuz like we are as a

40:28couple we really like to have the person

40:29be like our friend. Like that's

40:31important for us like to be able to

40:32laugh with them, be able to hang out

40:34with them, be able to not do sexual

40:35stuff with them. Like that for us is

40:37really important. So like that's why we

40:38love you is like you're and you're

40:40perfect for it because you know who

40:42knows if you'll be perfect for other

40:43couples but for us you would be perfect

40:44cuz

40:44>> the energy works really. Oh absolutely.

40:47Energy is like

40:48>> it's there.

40:48>> Yeah. It's there. Absolutely. I was so

40:50pumped to see you guys again. For sure.

40:51>> It was exciting.

40:52>> Yeah. [laughter]

40:54>> You should have a counter like a tally

40:56counter of how many times I do this.

40:58>> Yeah. Jesus.

40:59>> Ching. 11. Yeah, [clears throat]

41:02>> I actually interjected before in our

41:04previous question without finishing it.

41:05So, sorry audience. I'm sure you picked

41:07that up.

41:09>> I like that you threaten [laughter] your

41:10audience, too. I do that on my live

41:11stream like tip or else I'm leaving

41:13right now.

41:13>> Like, okay, fine. Tip tip. Yeah. So, uh

41:16with your journey to to corn. So, we

41:18ended that off with you were posting

41:20like posting porn. And where did it when

41:24did it elevate from just Reddit to only

41:27fans and then to corn like actual

41:28professional style corn? In the

41:30beginning, it was posting on Reddit,

41:32just having fun. And then in like May of

41:352020, during the pandemic, we're like,

41:36"Let's sign up for Only Fans, get that

41:38going, play around." It was just a

41:39couple's page. Yep.

41:41>> Mostly faceless stuff, but not

41:42intentionally, just cuz shy.

41:44>> And it went really well at first. Like,

41:45not big money, but like good engagement.

41:47And then we got we moved out of that

41:50cabin in the woods and we got a little

41:51bit more serious rent in Newport, Rhode

41:53Island where we we went during the

41:55pandemic to find work because like all

41:56the hotels up there were so

41:58>> we both needed jobs again. And I had the

42:01really good pandemic unemployment going

42:03on cuz I had like a good salary. So I

42:04was like chill.

42:06>> And the kitchens back there weren't

42:07paying anything. Like in $13

42:09>> in New York it's like 17 to 25 pretty

42:12easily for dishwashing like 15. Like you

42:14get good money

42:15>> but it's still New York prices. But in

42:17Rhode Island, it's the same price as New

42:19York. It's not cheaper. And you're

42:21getting like 1325 to do the same amount

42:23of work I was doing. And it was crazy. I

42:25was even worse because it's like seaside

42:28cooking

42:29>> food in a tourist town. It's busy. So

42:31>> yeah,

42:32>> I didn't take to it really well. And she

42:34got into serving and it was like a

42:35grind. And we in the middle of all this,

42:38we have a golden retriever that we saw

42:40at a puppy store and had to kind of like

42:42>> I was like put him on the card.

42:43[laughter]

42:43>> We were like, we can't leave him here.

42:45We love him so much. We took him home

42:46and then he had some really serious

42:48resource like aggressive issues like

42:50aggress and uh he started biting me when

42:53I'd feed him and it got really bad twice

42:54where he like I have like a scar

42:56somewhere in my arm.

42:57>> You literally would throw the bowl and

42:58run away from him like the same scar

43:00dude.

43:01>> I have like uh

43:02>> that there.

43:02>> No, that's a [ __ ] up mole that got

43:04burned off. But it's right

43:06>> similar but yeah twins.

43:08>> That's a dog bite like right over there

43:10but doesn't really get you cuz you put

43:12your arm up.

43:12>> Yeah, it went like huge hole. It was so

43:15scary. But yeah, it cost us like over 10

43:17grand to get them like back in line and

43:20>> y

43:21>> that we didn't have it. I mean, we were

43:22not making that kind of money. We spent

43:23everything to move

43:24>> and the pandemic had just started.

43:26>> What a great um like motivation to

43:28really hit Only Fans hard.

43:30>> Yes. And it was like right during the

43:32pandemic when Reddit was like hot as

43:34everything you post would turn over.

43:36Like

43:36>> we hit it at the perfect time.

43:38>> Perfect time. We just started doing a

43:40little slightly more like explicit

43:41stuff. Like I accidentally literally

43:43accidentally came on her face after a

43:45[ __ ] Like she just

43:46>> the first time I ever let anyone come on

43:47my face

43:48>> and it was it landed in like a smiley

43:50face on her face. Like so we took the

43:53picture and posted it and it just lit up

43:55one of the feeds like went to like

43:5715,000 karma like

43:59>> and then like we saw how much money we

44:00could make from that.

44:01>> You were like, "Huh?" And then it just

44:03took off. And then and we've both both

44:05always been internet people. So like

44:06having an online platform where we can

44:08flirt with people and like send naked

44:10pictures. Like that was like ideal. I

44:12was like awesome. This is what we

44:14already do anyways. Personal

44:15>> sexers like all the time.

44:16>> Yeah, we really are.

44:18>> But then once then we started doing

44:20collabs like 2 years in

44:22>> 2022. Yeah.

44:23>> Um and then we started doing collabs and

44:25then I

44:26>> we did them together at first which was

44:28fun but I was so nervous when we'd go

44:30out. There were two of the collabs we

44:33did, we did like a double facial scene

44:35in it. I was so nervous that like I

44:37could kind of do the [ __ ] part, but I

44:39would get soft and then come soft. Like

44:41it would be a huge facial, but

44:43>> she could still come. I can't come when

44:44I'm soft.

44:45>> Literally like comedy content that I

44:46have saved. She's like, "How is he even

44:48doing that?" Like the hottest girl

44:50you've ever seen.

44:51>> Yeah. One of them was like the hottest

44:52girl we've ever worked with.

44:53>> So I was like, "All right, fine."

44:54>> Well, it's nerve-wracking. I don't think

44:56like it's hard for like I think girls to

44:58to take the perspective because it's it

45:01is literally there's things that happen

45:02in your body when you get nervous

45:04>> that just make it's like a direct

45:07contact to your arousal which is a

45:09direct contact with how hard and how

45:11much blood flow is allowed into your

45:12penis. I've had a Viagra in my system

45:14before

45:15>> trying to like get it going

45:16>> and he can't and literally nothing. It's

45:19even softer than before and my blood is

45:21rushing so hard

45:23>> I feel like THE HULK. I'M LIKE, BUT MY

45:26is like,

45:27>> you know what I mean? Like literally.

45:28So, like, psychologically, there is um a

45:31lot to do. That's another reason why

45:33there's not many men that do this

45:34because like psychologically to do what

45:37you do in private with someone that you

45:39genuinely have a connection with to do

45:41that with a lot of people and often in

45:44scenarios that are unreal, like not real

45:45life.

45:46>> Yeah. Like you're never going to have a

45:48threeon-one like, well, I don't know.

45:49I've never had a threeon-one like really

45:52really amazing nine out of 10 hot chicks

45:54want me like you know so

45:56>> yeah it's usually a four like three four

45:57out of tens and you're like

45:58>> and you're like yeah I'm just going to

46:00it's it's like when you you know get a

46:01try in rugby or a touchdown and in high

46:04school and by the time you get to 36

46:05year old they've gone from like 10 m to

46:07I did 100 m sprint dogged eight people

46:10blah blah blah so these fours all of a

46:12sudden you're like yeah I was in Vegas

46:14these like 9 and 1 half out of 10 they

46:16had like crazy hop veneers which kind of

46:17got in the way when they were trying to

46:18deep threat

46:21little shark. [laughter]

46:22>> You literally like this story gets

46:24crazy. So yeah, in real life that never

46:26happens. So like for someone who's like

46:28just a normie like it's really even if

46:30you've got all the equipment

46:31psychologically it's really hard to like

46:32switch it on and be like all right, I

46:34just got to pretend like this is just

46:35another day.

46:36>> And that's the most like like I always

46:38tell my subscribers that cuz a lot of

46:41them are anxious about not being able to

46:43stay hard. And like that's the number

46:45one thing thing in professional. Nobody

46:48can stay hard because it's not a

46:49natural. A lot of it is and even if

46:51you're attracted to a person, it could

46:53be too hot in there. You could have had

46:55to get hard five different times and

46:57then get soft and then get hard and then

46:58get soft. You know, you could

47:00>> doing positions that don't really feel

47:01good

47:02>> that no one does.

47:03>> Yeah. But they look great on camera. You

47:04know what I mean? Like and that's not

47:06bad on set. Like it could be anything.

47:08Like staying hard is the hard. If I was

47:10a guy, I'd have like permanent soft

47:12penis. I'm so anxious about everything.

47:14They'd be like, "That guy's a mess."

47:16>> You really have to be able to zone in.

47:18>> That guy is trouble.

47:19>> Like, you really have to be able to zone

47:21the in. Like, really lock in and just be

47:23like, "Blink is on." No matter what was

47:25happening 10 minutes ago,

47:27>> the job.

47:27>> Yeah.

47:28>> No matter what was happening outside the

47:29scene, once I press that red circle and

47:31it starts counting up, guess what? I'm

47:34right here. But you know what it is? You

47:36know what I really love about these

47:37podcasts, especially with you guys, is

47:39that you can be present. There is no

47:41phone that is going off. Like I'm not I

47:44don't have to worry about notifications.

47:45I'm here with you guys. I'm looking you

47:46in the eyes. We don't nor

47:48>> we don't normally like in real life like

47:50I feel like a lot of people are like

47:52side eyeing their phone, you know? Like

47:54I you don't get a lot of genuine

47:55interaction. So

47:56>> yeah, it's crazy. I mean, when we were

47:58growing up, so we're both 90s babies.

48:00Like we came up with half internet, half

48:03no internet basically.

48:04>> And like it's crazy the level of eye

48:07contact that dropped off like after high

48:09school. Like I used to be so pressed to

48:11make eye contact in every situation, but

48:13now it's like you try to make eye

48:14contact with people and they're not

48:15looking at you.

48:16>> And it kind of like made me weak with it

48:17until recently. And now I'm like back on

48:19my [ __ ]

48:20>> Back on my eye contact,

48:22>> but like you don't even notice you're

48:23not doing it cuz it's just so common to

48:24kind of be like half talking to someone,

48:26half on your phone, and half doing a

48:28work task while you're

48:29>> I don't like it. I I actually used to

48:31get a um I still do. I get like an

48:33incredible amount of weird fulfillment.

48:35I remember when I first started doing

48:36these podcasts, I'd walk away from a pod

48:38and I'd be like, "Why do I feel really

48:40good?" Like I've done like a workout,

48:42but it's because you've had a

48:43connective, present experience

48:45>> and it's good for your brain, which is

48:46so good for your bra.

48:47>> It must be because I I'm literally It

48:49feels like I've just done an ice bath or

48:50been like worked out. People like this

48:52guy's talking about getting high from a

48:53conversation.

48:54>> No, but it's so true. It's so true.

48:56Especially when you're laughing with

48:57people like laughing with people is

49:00>> is like medicine.

49:02>> Oh my god, I love it. Absolutely. And

49:04honestly, like you see it the most

49:06prominent in people who are like really

49:08lonely. Like if someone's really lonely

49:10and doesn't have a lot of good

49:11connection, you'll notice that like

49:13their social skills are lacking, but

49:15they're also very depressed because they

49:16like can't connect and it's like they're

49:18not getting that like cognitive boost

49:20from

49:20>> they say that's one they say that

49:22loneliness is just as dangerous as

49:24smoking like a pack of cigarettes a day.

49:26>> Yeah. They say for your health it's

49:27really bad. years off your

49:29>> like my my mom lived in uh northern

49:31Portugal for a while and like didn't

49:33have like a good network for a little

49:34bit. She's setting up friends and stuff

49:35>> and she's such a social

49:36>> and I just I would talk to her like

49:38every day on Facebook cuz I was just

49:39like I don't want her to be that lonely.

49:40Like it's crazy like you're in a village

49:42like you're a good son.

49:44>> I had to do it. Like it's I can only

49:45imagine how that would feel, you know?

49:47>> Awful.

49:48>> Just alone.

49:49>> I think we've all like been a little bit

49:50isolated at times in our lives. I don't

49:52know about you guys. I certainly have

49:53felt alone for years at a time

49:56>> and especially when you're like

49:57associating with party friends I found

49:59who only are like friends when you're

50:01partying you know so you I'm sure a lot

50:03of people out there can relate so I mean

50:04like it's like that feeling of like not

50:07having anyone or if something happened I

50:08don't even know who would come to my

50:09hospital bed or like I don't really do

50:11anything

50:11>> be there

50:12>> yeah [ __ ]

50:12>> WE'D BE LIKE PAUL clog [laughter]

50:15[gasps]

50:16>> I had no doubt I had no doubt but yeah

50:19like you know like it's it's being

50:20lonely is is like really bad cuz like

50:23not only are you cuz there's also a lot

50:26of negative self-t talk I've found. So

50:28like you're not just lonely, you're also

50:30beating yourself up about why are you

50:31lonely like why are you are you a bad

50:33person? This that and the other

50:35>> and yeah I feel like it's so hard to

50:38connect. It's even harder even though

50:39we've got these phones right that are

50:40like most connect should be the most

50:42connected things like I feel like

50:44there's not enough genuine connection.

50:46But then again, there's just so everyone

50:47knows.

50:47>> I think people are just exhausted like

50:49emotionally exhausted because you're

50:51putting out so much energy, but it's not

50:54actually being reciprocated with genuine

50:56energy.

50:56>> Yeah. Just like a dopamine hit.

50:58>> Yeah. Like the parasocial relationship

50:59kind of thing. Like I really don't do

51:01well with those kinds of things. Like I

51:04can't really do transactional relation.

51:05I wish I could. I would be a lot more

51:07rich and successful, but like it's just

51:10it's exhausting to not give genuine

51:13energy. And then when you do give gener

51:15energy that's energizing but then when

51:18you don't receive it like that was the

51:19hardest thing when we started collabing

51:21with people. There's some people that

51:22just

51:23>> want to collab and use you for

51:25everything that you got and don't talk

51:26to you and don't interact with you at

51:27all ever again and only talk to you when

51:29they need somethingful

51:31for us.

51:32>> That's kind of like most collabs to be

51:34honest.

51:35>> But also like I think I think it's it's

51:38hard. It's Yeah,

51:39>> I think it's for I mean that's a safe

51:40boundary for them. I get like some of

51:42them have family, some of them have

51:43kids.

51:44>> For me personally, that didn't work. So

51:46now like I'm at a phase right now where

51:49I'm only working with people that are my

51:50friends

51:51>> because that [ __ ] crushes me.

51:53>> We're more lifestyle people than we are

51:55prof like we're professionals and we

51:56know how to do like the testing

51:58protocols and stay serious on our

52:00>> but at the same time like we do have an

52:02aspect to us that's very like we like to

52:04make friends. We like to hang out. We

52:05like to have a genuine connection

52:06because it sucks when you're

52:08>> like we run our business completely

52:09ourselves. all of our Only Fans, Fans,

52:11Lee, whatever. It's like a mom and pop

52:12show. It is just us and we're going to

52:14be bringing on one person to just help

52:15us post on every website because we like

52:17talking to our fans. Like that's

52:18different from like

52:20>> that like when you're saying a

52:21transactional relationship. It's like

52:22with our fans, it's a little different

52:23cuz they want to talk to you and it's

52:25exciting and you know they look forward

52:26to that reply because it's actually us

52:27in the inbox.

52:28>> Well, our fans have really good sense of

52:29humor.

52:30>> Yeah. So, it's but when you're dealing

52:32with like these collabs that like you

52:34want to really cherish that video for a

52:36while, it can be really hard to keep

52:37selling it a year down the line when

52:39you're like, I don't even like this.

52:40Like, it really doesn't feel good for

52:42us. So, like

52:43>> we try to curate who and I think at this

52:45point we're doing a really good job.

52:46Like I think like with you right now,

52:48like we have a lot of good friends that

52:49we like making content with and when we

52:51expand, we do it very carefully. Like we

52:53take time getting to know them. We kind

52:55of like look to see if they're crazy on

52:56social media or some [ __ ] or like just

52:58look for a good thing to do

53:01>> cuz like we're at the point in our life

53:02where like we want to set up like our

53:04homestead and like build and like grow

53:06our like savings so if we could have a

53:08kid someday or something like we're not

53:09just like 20 and anymore absolutely

53:13>> it's hard to bring that energy in

53:14>> once you get to a point where you got

53:16like you guys were successful when it

53:17was just you two. So like you really

53:19don't have any obligation to work with

53:20people you don't like. You don't have

53:21any obligation to bring people in at all

53:23if you didn't want to.

53:24>> Like, so make way more money when when I

53:27have sex with my real friends. So like

53:29when I have when I work with Addison or

53:31when I work with Hung in LA, when I work

53:33with you, when I work with my friend

53:34Emanuel Lust, those videos sell best

53:37because people have seen them and met us

53:39now. They get to they ask me about the

53:41people. They ask me about their

53:42relationship. They follow us both on

53:44social media. They see us commenting on

53:46each other's stuff. they see us like

53:47live streaming together or making and

53:49then they're invest they're like oh

53:50because like for me I don't really like

53:52roleplay stuff.

53:54>> So for me I like the [clears throat]

53:55actual like real story of like you get

53:58to see these people interact for months

53:59at a time.

54:00>> Like whenever I send out our video I

54:02always say that I waited like a year or

54:03something to have sex with cuz we were

54:05like talking online all the time and

54:07that always sells it because like a lot

54:08of people can relate to that feeling of

54:10like I'm so attracted to this person.

54:12I'm so interested in this person. Like,

54:13I can't wait to [ __ ] them. And then they

54:15go back and look and they see the

54:16comments back and forth. They're like,

54:18"Oh my god, like they totally are into

54:20each other or whatever the and that

54:21sells best cuz then people are like, oh,

54:24I can kind of follow the breadcrumb

54:25trail." And then it's, you know, that

54:27that's what I

54:28>> you're building narrative. That's what

54:30my narrative is.

54:31>> That's so true. I find when I put like

54:33actual a story about the person and not

54:36just like blonde tall babe gets with my

54:41big

54:42huge loves it. I mentioned she loves it.

54:47Like if I if I just put that then it's

54:49like doesn't go that great. But like if

54:51you can paint a picture like

54:53>> and for us it's real. Like it's like

54:54that really happened. We tried to club a

54:57few times and we like it didn't work

54:58out. Our dates didn't work out. And when

55:01it finally happened it was like fire

55:03fireworks going off because it had had

55:06that anticipation. And like that's

55:07pretty much every like my best personal

55:10sexual um encounters were always after a

55:13huge amount of anticipation. It was like

55:15the girl in school that I was like that

55:17we were like you know building it up and

55:19we were you know you know like these

55:21these are the things that like make

55:24things exciting. You need to have that

55:25like build up to a pop

55:27>> and people aren't stupid. I mean a lot

55:29of people are a lot of people are stupid

55:31but

55:31>> but they still have feelings and

55:33emotions. It doesn't matter how smart

55:34you are.

55:34>> Yeah. I guess I shouldn't have said

55:35that. You can call people stupid.

55:37>> Hey, people are stupid out there.

55:38>> There are a lot of stupid,

55:39>> but they can tell like genuine sex and

55:41not genuine sex. And like I'd be embar

55:43like I do have some scenes where I feel

55:45like I was a little more disingenuine

55:47because I didn't know the person or

55:49because like there was no chemistry or

55:51studio stuff. It cranges me the out. I'm

55:54like, "OH MY GOD, DON'T post that."

55:57Yeah. And it's like it's fun when you

55:58have good chemistry with someone because

56:00like even if it is a roleplay or

56:02something like it comes out really good

56:04cuz like we have friends that do like

56:05specifically roleplay content on Pornhub

56:07and they crush it.

56:08>> They're the only people I like doing it.

56:09>> Yeah. And we work with them a lot like

56:10she does. Oh yeah.

56:12>> They're wonderful. And like she works

56:14with them a lot. I've filmed one of the

56:15girl girl videos. Like we hang out when

56:17I'm in there and or when you're there

56:18you're with them for a while and it's

56:20just so nice to be able to like have fun

56:21doing the roleplay cuz you're excited to

56:23tell that story together. It's

56:24different. Unless you meet someone that

56:26you don't know, you don't vibe with, and

56:27you're doing a roleplay, it's like it

56:28feels stale.

56:29>> Oh my god. Trying to flow with someone

56:30you don't know.

56:32>> Or trying like the thing is we're not

56:33exactly actors. So like the people who

56:35come into this, like you said, the

56:37people who do this the best are sexual

56:38monsters. And we love that.

56:40>> I love how you added the monsters part.

56:42>> We are like,

56:43>> like you said, exact like sexual

56:45monsters.

56:46>> Exactly. But if you want to be like

56:48really good at a job where you're having

56:49sex for a living, that's pretty much

56:50your your your resume needs to be a

56:54>> So essentially those people who are

56:56really good at the sex, maybe sometimes

56:58they aren't really outgoing and really

56:59good at improvisation and really good at

57:01remembering their lines, really good at

57:02delivering those lines in a real way or

57:05like just, you know, just riffing and

57:07they're like really awkward and they're

57:09like, "Look, I'd rather just get to the

57:10like, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're going to

57:12keep on doing this cuz we need to." But

57:14you know what I mean? they'd rather just

57:15like do a sex tape than go. But like

57:17obviously like when you're doing

57:18production and stuff like they have uh

57:20you have other people some goals to

57:22>> and you have to have consideration of

57:24like what other people are into as well.

57:26>> 100%. Like if you're collabing and

57:28someone's like our main things you're

57:30not going to be like I don't do role

57:31play if you want to work with them cuz

57:33they'll be like we don't want to work

57:34with you. You know what I mean? It's

57:35just you kind of that's why it's called

57:37a collaboration because you're both kind

57:39of having to meet in the middle, you

57:41know, like I'm going to do some reals

57:42with you and I'm going to also do your

57:44podcast and I'm going to do Pornhub

57:46thing, whatever you ideas you've got. As

57:48long as it doesn't make me look stupid,

57:50then we'll fit into it.

57:51>> You know what I mean? Like, so

57:53>> I was so worried about our reals like

57:55together. I was like, "Oh my god, this

57:57>> You're me."

57:57>> Yeah.

57:58>> But I love them. They're so funny.

58:00>> Yeah, they're good. I thought that was

58:01great. Did you like the banana one?

58:03>> It was funny as [ __ ]

58:04>> Yeah. You haven't made a bad reel yet

58:06together.

58:07>> Wait till you see the one of him in the

58:08shorts.

58:09>> Oh, dude, that's going to be so good. I

58:11We did this like change clothes uh reel

58:13and it was uh where like I flick my hair

58:15and then I'm wearing what she's wearing,

58:17but she was wearing

58:18>> micro jean shorts.

58:19>> Micro jean shorts and like a white crop.

58:21This was it. This white crop?

58:22>> No, it was like

58:23>> very similar to this cut.

58:25>> Yeah, it looks good. I look jacked.

58:26>> I showed Addison that picture and she

58:28goes, "I get it." [laughter]

58:31>> That's so funny.

58:31>> That's so good. Thanks, Addison. Yeah. I

58:33was like, "Welcome to the club."

58:34>> Every female we meet that like knows you

58:37or has seen your social media, it's like

58:38he's so hot.

58:39>> Yeah. They're like, "Tell us about that

58:40Apollo guy." I'm like, "What do you want

58:42to know?

58:42>> Keep telling me. Keep telling me the

58:44goods." My head's going to explode.

58:45>> Fabio type man. Like [laughter]

58:47literally.

58:48>> Yeah.

58:50>> Love the vibes. Thanks, guys.

58:52>> Anytime.

58:52>> 12.

58:53>> No. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. 12.

58:55>> What advice would you guys give to

58:57couples looking to get into hot wife?

59:00get into their first experience with

59:02someone else, inviting someone else into

59:03the relationship or in in even a temp

59:05like a temporary way.

59:06>> Why don't we do I'll give the husband's

59:08advice and you give advice for the wife

59:10so it's like fun

59:11>> or like easier for

59:12>> Well, and we have very different

59:13perspectives.

59:14>> Yeah, it's a little different. So, I

59:15would say for like the husband, you

59:17really want to like be open and

59:20communicative and don't wait to say

59:22something like if you're not cool with

59:24something, you can't say it after it

59:26happened. It's already done. You can't

59:27be like, "Oh, I didn't like the way you

59:29guys were kissing." Like that's you got

59:30to say it before. Like, hey, don't don't

59:32kiss.

59:32>> Yeah.

59:32>> If you wait until after, it's going to

59:34hurt. If you

59:36>> like if there's something you're not

59:37comfortable with, don't pretend you're

59:39not comfortable with it. That's my best

59:40advice. Like, just communicate, have

59:41fun. You'll have more fun if you sit

59:43within your boundaries of comfort. Like,

59:44you won't feel

59:45>> sad a week later. Like,

59:47>> we're lucky cuz we have a pretty open

59:49flow with it. Like, we've said this on

59:50other podcasts. It's just like, I'm

59:52happy as long as she tells me it's going

59:54to happen or she tells me what happened.

59:55Like, I just don't want to not know.

59:57That's my whole thing. So,

59:58>> you don't want to be like surprised with

59:59it.

59:59>> Yeah, that would I mean it could be fun

1:00:01under the right. Like if it's someone I

1:00:02knew, like if you guys mysteriously and

1:00:04then I found out, I'd be like, "Oh,

1:00:05haha, that's awesome. Like you guys had

1:00:07a great time."

1:00:08>> But like if it was like more of a

1:00:09cheating feel, it might not feel good

1:00:11because like it doesn't feel like I'm

1:00:12kind of involved in that at all, you

1:00:14know?

1:00:14>> But that's like the hot wifeing aspect

1:00:16for the husband. Like there's open

1:00:17relationships where you don't

1:00:18communicate that much. You just

1:00:20>> go. Some people don't want to know.

1:00:22>> Yeah. A lot of people don't want to

1:00:23know. It's like the exact opposite. But

1:00:25it's sitting within your comfort zone

1:00:26for the guys is very important.

1:00:28>> So important.

1:00:28>> And holding holding strong with how you

1:00:31Yeah.

1:00:31>> Don't flex it cuz it'll hurt every time.

1:00:34Like we we flexed it a few times or like

1:00:36silly [ __ ] like in the past and we

1:00:38didn't know everything. Like hadn't had

1:00:39enough experience.

1:00:40>> What do you mean like flexed it like

1:00:41said like we've got this covered

1:00:43>> or like she went to collabs that like I

1:00:45wasn't too sure about and stuff

1:00:47>> and you were like I'll just let it run.

1:00:48>> Yeah. Like it's fine. Like it's work.

1:00:49And then like I didn't feel great about

1:00:50it after and then the chemistry wasn't

1:00:52good with the guy after sometimes.

1:00:54sucks.

1:00:55>> It's like I'd rather it be like like cuz

1:00:57like studio stuff I don't give a what

1:00:58you do. You can go have fun. It's work.

1:01:00It's a job. But when you're choosing a

1:01:01collab, we've built this whole brand

1:01:02together basically. So like if we bring

1:01:05in someone that doesn't quite fit the

1:01:07vibe, we kind of feel it in all of our

1:01:08pages. We get these messages and

1:01:10comments and things and it's like

1:01:12>> I know that's not everyone's brand. Like

1:01:14for some people it's like their their

1:01:15relationships don't even cross. Like

1:01:17they get whoever they want. It's fun.

1:01:18[snorts] But like the way our brand is

1:01:19built, we literally like will have

1:01:21repercussions if we're too careless. We

1:01:22have to be very choosy with who we work

1:01:24with sometimes.

1:01:25>> Yeah, true.

1:01:26>> We spend a lot of time talking.

1:01:28>> That's I think that that's the number

1:01:30one thing is like with everything that

1:01:32we do sexually with other people, we

1:01:35spend like three times as much of that

1:01:38time talking and like going through

1:01:40things that maybe we want to change or

1:01:43how it felt or like what came up. Like

1:01:45it's I think like hot wifeing and

1:01:47swinging, it's a lot of communication.

1:01:49And it's a lot of actually knowing your

1:01:51partner, building trust, working through

1:01:53things. Like being able to be resilient

1:01:56through bad experiences is the number

1:01:59one thing. If you can't be resilient

1:02:00through even like a fight, I wouldn't

1:02:02even suggest it. Like you have to be

1:02:04resilient as a couple. Be willing to

1:02:06talk through things. Be willing to admit

1:02:07when you're wrong. Be willing to

1:02:10>> Accountability is a good word. I would

1:02:12say I would say it builds the

1:02:13relationship either even stronger or it

1:02:16destroys it

1:02:17>> 50 times as quickly as it would have

1:02:19been if you've been monogous.

1:02:21>> And that's the gamble you you have to

1:02:22take. And that's I guess what um knowing

1:02:24oneself is the most important thing cuz

1:02:27like you'll know if you're ready for

1:02:28that.

1:02:29>> You have a little hair on the side that

1:02:31looks like an eyebrow.

1:02:32>> Yeah.

1:02:32>> Like it looks like it's a bunch of hairs

1:02:34and it looks like a sperm eyebrow. You

1:02:36know, I'll take a picture later.

1:02:38>> Please. Please.

1:02:39>> So if I keep staring at it, I'm sorry.

1:02:40You're like just looking at your sperm

1:02:42sperm eyebrow on your face.

1:02:44>> Such a

1:02:45>> Is that What about from a female point

1:02:47of view, Stephie?

1:02:48>> Yeah. Like for the wife, what would you

1:02:49say to like for a happy hot wife

1:02:51relationship? Like what would you tell

1:02:52the wife?

1:02:53>> Well, since like I'm the one that mostly

1:02:55gets like like in hot wife, it's

1:02:57primarily the wife that gets more action

1:02:59than the husband. Absolutely.

1:03:01>> So like it's really important to keep

1:03:03your partner happy. like if I because we

1:03:06when we first started I didn't really

1:03:08think about the maintenance of

1:03:10>> how he was feeling. So I would just go

1:03:12out and do all these things and have

1:03:14these great relationships with these

1:03:15people and then totally make him feel

1:03:16left out,

1:03:17>> you know. So there was we went through

1:03:20that to learn,

1:03:22>> okay, like it's really important for me

1:03:24to be

1:03:25>> to water the grass at home as well as

1:03:27all the other stuff which is

1:03:29>> which I always thought to myself like

1:03:31I'm assuming you guys you don't have

1:03:33like full-blown relationships with other

1:03:35people. It's just these sexual endeavors

1:03:36kind of things.

1:03:37>> Sexual and friendship. Yeah.

1:03:38>> Yeah, definitely. Like we will have some

1:03:40people that like I would say like are

1:03:42like better friends than others for

1:03:43sure.

1:03:44>> Yeah. Cuz I think that's like the

1:03:45difference in like that's how I would

1:03:47say for me like that's probably the

1:03:49extent my intellect could like stretch

1:03:52and maintain emotional relationships in

1:03:54like temporary portions like these

1:03:56people with four five different

1:03:58girlfriends, boyfriends

1:03:59>> or husbands or wives. I'm like, is that

1:04:01because you've got five different

1:04:02personalities that you can just switch

1:04:04on and off that you it's actually part

1:04:05of who you are or like seriously or are

1:04:07you just like incredibly smart that you

1:04:10can like play chess with five different

1:04:11people sort of thing?

1:04:13>> Cuz like for me I'm like

1:04:14>> way to put it.

1:04:14>> Yeah. Cuz for me I'm like how

1:04:16complicated and like and I wouldn't be

1:04:18able to maintain a job if I had 60 hours

1:04:21worth of relationship maintenance to do

1:04:23every week. cuz everyone I know in a

1:04:25successful open relationship says what

1:04:27you say. You need to be talking and it's

1:04:28way more talking and there's hours of

1:04:30talking and if you're talking to three

1:04:32people or even like two if you're in a

1:04:34polyamorous like throppple and you're

1:04:36having to do this with two other people

1:04:38man and then like sit them down together

1:04:40and like do it interview style so

1:04:41everyone's on the same page to me I'm

1:04:43like

1:04:44>> I sort of people on camera and then like

1:04:46be like see you have a good day. I think

1:04:48you also need to like cuz like what

1:04:50something that came up when you were

1:04:51talking is like and I know that you

1:04:54didn't mean this but I also thought it

1:04:56is like people with like multiple

1:04:57long-term relationships with different

1:04:58people. I'm like oh my god these people

1:05:00are crazy but that's the same thing as

1:05:02the judgment of cucking. You know what I

1:05:04mean? Like it's kind of like we don't

1:05:06understand how someone could do that and

1:05:08like how like anyone that has a good

1:05:10mind or morals or whatever the judgment

1:05:12is could do that. But it's, you know,

1:05:15it's like that's where king shaming

1:05:16comes in because it's like everyone is

1:05:17valid because I really can't imagine

1:05:20that working in a healthy way. But I'm

1:05:22sure it does.

1:05:22>> It does. You know, if our [ __ ] works in

1:05:25a healthy way, like I I guess that could

1:05:27also be a possibility

1:05:28>> cuz like to most people what we do is

1:05:30crazy. Like they look at all this and

1:05:31they're like, "You're insane."

1:05:32>> They're like, "How could people believe

1:05:33I love him?" And I'm like,

1:05:34>> they think I'm rich. They I [laughter]

1:05:36catch the They think I'm like a Jew.

1:05:38Like I'm not Jewish. No, no shade. But

1:05:42they hit me with these comments like

1:05:43he's a super rich Jew. I guess I look

1:05:45like a little

1:05:45>> And I'm a super rich Jew.

1:05:47>> No, buddy. Like I'm just like a

1:05:49personality hire. [laughter]

1:05:51>> Well, a lot of the girls in the industry

1:05:53when you meet their boyfriends,

1:05:55>> a lot of them are like

1:05:57>> just regular dorky, nerdy nice guys.

1:06:00They're not like

1:06:01>> Yeah.

1:06:02>> Yeah.

1:06:03>> Like a lot of girls a lot of girls at

1:06:04home also like a lot of girls when

1:06:06they're at home would prefer boyfriend,

1:06:09which the definition is. Do you know?

1:06:11Have you ever heard that saying before?

1:06:13Please give them the definition. What

1:06:14what what boyfriend dick is? Yeah.

1:06:16Boyfriend dick is explained as one you

1:06:18can have sex with every day if you

1:06:19wanted to without getting sore.

1:06:21>> Like a nice thick boy.

1:06:22>> Yeah.

1:06:23>> Well, she she likes a thick boy, but

1:06:25like I'm like five and a half and like

1:06:27>> we can't talk about since then. I'm

1:06:28sitting next to you too and all

1:06:29[laughter]

1:06:32>> I feel like a dog with a bowl of dog

1:06:33food.

1:06:33>> We've already got two mics on us.

1:06:35Anyway, [laughter]

1:06:38>> just slides into a [ __ ] space.

1:06:40>> Exactly. I just pressed this tape

1:06:42recorder out of nowhere.

1:06:47>> Sound effects,

1:06:48>> guys. I love seeing good people succeed.

1:06:50And um same to you.

1:06:51>> Thank you. Appreciate you guys. Really,

1:06:53I really do appreciate you guys. What

1:06:55does the future vision like look like

1:06:56for you guys? And are you building

1:06:57something outside of this or is this

1:06:59like your are you a career cornstar in

1:07:02what you're doing right now? So, I would

1:07:04say for the future for us right now,

1:07:06we're definitely working on some like

1:07:08less risque projects, but we're

1:07:10definitely career corn people. Like we

1:07:12love

1:07:12>> Say that again. Luster

1:07:14>> Oh, less like uh risque [ __ ] Like we're

1:07:17working on like maybe putting a podcast

1:07:19together, working on like a little

1:07:20merchandise store like for fun t-shirts

1:07:22and stuff. We're just doing some silly

1:07:24[ __ ]

1:07:24>> that we might not even link to the

1:07:26brand. We don't know yet. We're playing.

1:07:27But I think for us, we really are career

1:07:30adult content people or adult

1:07:31entertainers, I like to think, because

1:07:33I've always wanted to entertain people.

1:07:35I love what we do. I think it's a great

1:07:36expression. It's so much fun. It's like

1:07:39my favorite [ __ ]

1:07:40>> And you're beautiful. You love what you

1:07:42do. I love being able to meet all these

1:07:44wild people in different places. It's a

1:07:46blast. Like, I wouldn't trade that for

1:07:47anything.

1:07:48>> And I think that for us, it's like

1:07:50become as the country heats up over this

1:07:52and they're trying to like ban porn and

1:07:54stuff and get all crazy with the

1:07:55religion. I really think it's like a

1:07:57really good form of protest to just be

1:08:00like it's okay to make consensual adult

1:08:02content. It's okay to make there's

1:08:04nothing wrong with that as long as

1:08:05you're following the laws and treating

1:08:07people right noting people.

1:08:08>> The intention is right.

1:08:09>> Yeah. Like there's nothing wrong with

1:08:11people having sex. Like this this

1:08:13American Puritan thing is driving me

1:08:15crazy. Like

1:08:16>> Yeah. Cuz they've got um what is it?

1:08:18Bill 20 2025 something like that.

1:08:20Project Project 2025 which is one of

1:08:23their it does a bunch of things but one

1:08:25of them is to ban adult content digital

1:08:27adult content.

1:08:29>> Yeah. Like while we're on it because we

1:08:30mentioned we did mention like what's

1:08:32happened and what's happened in the last

1:08:33couple of days. I think we should swing

1:08:34back to that so everyone's like no you

1:08:36told you going to tell us. So right now

1:08:37for those who don't know cuz this will

1:08:38probably come out in a few weeks. For

1:08:40those who don't know we've got the LA

1:08:41riots going on.

1:08:43>> Didn't like the week that you arrived in

1:08:45the States. Literally the day I arrived,

1:08:47the day before I arrived, ICE was

1:08:49basically um which is the Immigration

1:08:51and Customs Enforcement were um rioting

1:08:54and like like fighting riers in LA. So

1:08:56for me, I was like, you know, I was like

1:08:59great time to be coming to America. But

1:09:01end of the day also in industry at the

1:09:03moment, we're on a full hiatus. We're on

1:09:06a as of yesterday, we're on a pause. So

1:09:08luckily you and I were able to get our

1:09:09scene. It would be demo if that happened

1:09:11after us or before us. Sorry. But

1:09:13basically someone has popped for

1:09:15something really serious and because of

1:09:16that not the governing body people can

1:09:18do what they want but they basically

1:09:20it's called the pass system. Yeah

1:09:22>> pass certified or something

1:09:23>> pass certified has put out a like a like

1:09:26a red flag to say hey everyone no yeah

1:09:29everyone calm down we've got this

1:09:30serious thing that's popped we need to

1:09:31retest it make sure it's real. If it is

1:09:33then we need to find out who's worked

1:09:35with this person. No one's to shoot

1:09:37professional private content creators

1:09:39everyone. So, like outside of podcasts,

1:09:42like everyone at the moment is now not

1:09:44doing collabs, not doing not doing

1:09:45professional work,

1:09:46>> not doing what we love. We're not

1:09:48sucking other people's parts.

1:09:50>> Exactly.

1:09:51>> Nice to be in a relationship in this

1:09:52moment cuz we get to suck.

1:09:54>> Well, that's right. That's right.

1:09:55>> Because we like a little pasta. It's

1:09:58It's like everyone's plans, all the

1:10:01studios that had [ __ ] booked. It's so

1:10:02hard.

1:10:03>> Yeah. 2 weeks is a long time for and

1:10:04like if people don't have other

1:10:07>> like streams of income like if people

1:10:09only do studio the makeup artist the

1:10:12camera guys it's crazy

1:10:14>> I don't even think about those guys yeah

1:10:16the crew like what are they going to do

1:10:17for two weeks totally most of the

1:10:20companies are skating on thin ice

1:10:21moneywise so how are they going

1:10:22>> have to figure it out

1:10:24>> yeah cuz I was thinking like cuz there

1:10:25there are a lot of also performers that

1:10:27who aren't like really in touch with

1:10:29their only fans and their digital

1:10:31products and they only do pro. Like, so

1:10:33those guys are also like, "All right,

1:10:35well, living in LA with, you know, just

1:10:37studio money that I'm not getting paid

1:10:39for a few weeks, cuz it could be up to

1:10:40four weeks if it's like

1:10:42>> depending on who they find if it's like

1:10:44a full spiral of people." But

1:10:45>> the hope is that it's um it's

1:10:47>> You should do an update every podcast

1:10:49that you do over the next like two

1:10:51weeks.

1:10:51>> I should every time I do one, be like,

1:10:53"This is what's happened now. Check this

1:10:54out."

1:10:54>> Um I'm probably I'll probably just do

1:10:56like like maybe just one with myself and

1:10:58be like in LA, here's what here's what

1:10:59I've been seeing.

1:11:00>> Great idea. do like a news news report.

1:11:02Become like a news reporter after Soft

1:11:04White underbelly and [laughter] talk

1:11:05about being a male stripper. I'll tell

1:11:07you afterwards. It's not an interview

1:11:09thing on YouTube. It's cool.

1:11:10>> I'll check it out.

1:11:11>> I would definitely like to say like

1:11:13you're here at the craziest time.

1:11:15>> This like to to give some perspective to

1:11:16people like this like these riot things

1:11:19don't happen often like ever and they

1:11:21also don't you the other thing is uh the

1:11:24president has sent in military

1:11:26>> and he's also fighting his boyfriend

1:11:27Elon Musk.

1:11:28>> Yep. So basically, it's the first time

1:11:30in like since the Vietnam riots and the

1:11:32race riots that we've had the federal

1:11:34government really step into a riot so

1:11:36hard. I mean, there was during

1:11:37Minneapolis and the pandemic like the

1:11:38George Floyd movement, there was some of

1:11:39that, but this is like the first time

1:11:42we've seen ever in America the president

1:11:44kind of preempt it like this. Like they

1:11:46were launching things like tweets before

1:11:48the troops were on the ground and like

1:11:49that. So there there is like a level of

1:11:51like this is the first time we've seen a

1:11:53president act out of pocket like this.

1:11:55And it's crazy. I mean, it's dangerous.

1:11:57It's like who knows what's going to

1:11:58happen to people in LA and now San

1:12:00Antonio today they deployed National

1:12:02Guard apparently in some other towns.

1:12:03>> Can you tell me what the difference

1:12:05between like the National Guard and the

1:12:07government like I don't know in the in

1:12:08the army like for some from for the

1:12:10layman who doesn't know from

1:12:11>> I don't [ __ ] know.

1:12:12>> I'll do my best but I'm I So when I was

1:12:14in school I studied political science so

1:12:17I have some ideas here that I know a

1:12:18little bit about. Basically it's like

1:12:20the National Guard is like for state

1:12:21side crisises whereas the Army's like

1:12:23out and about and the Marines are out

1:12:24and about. Like there are army cores

1:12:26that work within the country, but mostly

1:12:28it's for outside of the country. Whereas

1:12:30the National Guard is for like if

1:12:31there's a hurricane or something, they

1:12:33send them in and they go help out. Or if

1:12:34there's like a border crisis, like the

1:12:36National Guard is like the next man up.

1:12:37So in this case, they've kind of like

1:12:39mobilized them to preempt the riots

1:12:41they're expecting. And I think a lot of

1:12:43this has to do with June 14th is going

1:12:45to be national riots or protests

1:12:47hopefully peaceful.

1:12:48>> Yeah.

1:12:49>> Across the country. I keep saying riots

1:12:50because it's in the vernacular right

1:12:51now, but I mean even in LA if you watch

1:12:54on the ground footage, these are pretty

1:12:55peaceful protests where they're just

1:12:57firing off tear gas to get people ri

1:12:59like it's kind of crazy like if you see

1:13:01some some first person

1:13:02>> well I mean what you see on the news cuz

1:13:04I I was saying like when I get to LA

1:13:06which is this this week the whole plan

1:13:08for me was like not was to stay away

1:13:10from downtown which allegedly is where

1:13:12it's all happening but I I do want to

1:13:13pop my head in there um and just

1:13:15[clears throat] you

1:13:16>> nosy [ __ ]

1:13:16>> just to literally be like peering behind

1:13:18a garbage can and just see what's

1:13:20happening cuz I want I'm always

1:13:21interested if the media just shows

1:13:23>> they'll be like it's a brown

1:13:25>> or I mean I am the wrong color to be

1:13:27walking in there they'll be like please

1:13:28tell me what you're doing here like just

1:13:30be like I just watching just watching

1:13:32>> just watching you guys have a lot more

1:13:34in common than you thought

1:13:35>> exactly right

1:13:36>> you both love to watch

1:13:37>> love to watch but yeah so I don't know

1:13:39like I would love to see what's going on

1:13:41but it that does seem like a a really

1:13:43high friction time for America right now

1:13:46>> in a lot of different ways

1:13:47>> like a boiling kettle

1:13:48>> it's it's really alarming too because

1:13:49it's like there's I totally lost my

1:13:52train of thought a second ago about like

1:13:53you going to LA reporting oh the

1:13:56mainstream media so like right now

1:13:58>> the lamestream media

1:14:00>> I hate to say I hate to be like oh

1:14:02they're fake news but like genuinely

1:14:05they are just inciting riots right now

1:14:07they're making these like video like

1:14:09there's clips of Fox News reporters like

1:14:11we need to go see where they're being

1:14:12crazy like we need to go over there like

1:14:14cuz it's pretty peaceful and like

1:14:15there's clips of CNN reporters like

1:14:17calling a rubber bullet a bomb Like

1:14:19they're like the protesters are throwing

1:14:20these flashbangs. It's just they're

1:14:22picking up the rubber bullets off the

1:14:23ground.

1:14:24>> It's like so they're trying to get it in

1:14:25people's minds.

1:14:26>> Doesn't that always been in the

1:14:27mainstream media? Like they thrive off

1:14:30sensationalism and clickbait.

1:14:32>> Who's winning from this? Like

1:14:33>> who's actually watching it though? Like

1:14:35the only a lot of people unfortunately.

1:14:37>> Well, it's like the people in the

1:14:38nursing homes, the people stuck at home,

1:14:40the suburban types.

1:14:41>> This is it like education level of this

1:14:44country. Well, I don't really know

1:14:45because I only really come to the city,

1:14:47but my mom is like one of those people

1:14:49who still watches TV, still watches

1:14:51morning radio, still watch still watches

1:14:52morning TV. Sorry.

1:14:53>> So, for her, like with me coming here

1:14:55and like hanging out and like even being

1:14:57here now, she's like, "Come home.

1:14:59>> I will literally pay for your ticket

1:15:01home. Come home. Do not go to LA