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Ayahuasca: por que é tão controversa
0:00Ayahuasca.
0:01The most controversial brew
0:03in the world.
0:04Ayahuasca experiences
0:06are very challenging.
0:09For some, it is a blessing...
0:10There is no doubt, nowadays,
0:12that it really can be a medicine.
0:14And for others, it can be
0:16upsetting.
0:19And then I said: it may come.
0:23Because I'm ready.
0:26After all,
Quem pode beber e quem deve evitar
0:27can anyone drink Ayahuasca?
0:29People who have
0:31schizophrenia
0:32bipolar disorder,
0:34a diagnosis of psychosis...
0:36And what happens to our brain
0:39and body after we drink it?
0:41And then my body started to levitate.
0:43In order to find answers,
Viagem pra Amazônia peruana (Iquitos)
0:45I traveled to the heart of the Peruvian Amazon
0:48and performed an Ayahuasca ceremony
0:50with a local shaman.
0:51And now our experience begins.
0:54But feeling
0:56the healing effects
0:56on your skin and soul
0:58was not enough.
1:00It was a very magical
1:02and transformative experience.
1:04At the same time, it was a difficult one.
1:07In order to unravel
1:09all the mysteries of this brew,
Ciência e especialistas: o que a pesquisa diz
1:12I went to Natal
1:13to talk to two of the greatest
1:16Ayahuasca experts in Brazil
1:18and to understand what scientists
1:21have to say about it.
1:22It is completely not recommended
1:24to mix it with ayahuasca...
1:25One of the main questions is...
1:28At the end of this documentary,
1:30all your main questions about Ayahuasca
1:33will be answered.
1:35Let's go.
1:36Have a great trip,
1:38my friend Pedro.
1:47Let's start with the basics.
O que é ayahuasca e de onde vem
1:49What is Ayahuasca?
1:51Ayahuasca is a brew
1:53that originated from
1:55the originial people in Amazon watershed.
1:57Fernanda Palhano, Researcher at the Brain Institute - UFRN
2:03And it is mainly a blend
Mariri/jagube e chacrona: as plantas da bebida
2:05of two plants, right?
2:07Which are popularly known
2:08as Jagube, or Mariri,
2:10and Chacrona.
2:12Now he has found the Chacrona.
2:15Chacrona is the other ingredient in Ayahuasca
2:18to make the right effect.
2:21Linder, tourist guide and Shaman's helper
2:26And this is what cures you of all your ailments.
2:30It cleans you up.
2:31Give you intelligence.
2:34And many other things.
2:35Leoncio, local shaman.
2:39And then you can see how precious the world is.
2:43And it can be a medicine for people
2:44who are in a state
2:46of illness, of sadness...
2:49Prof. Nicole Galvão Coelho, Department of Physiology and Behavior UFRN
2:54of very serious symptoms,..
2:56Especially we, who treats mental health issues,
2:58have prescribed different types of treatment
3:00that have had no response
3:01But we really see patients
3:02returning to life.
3:06Chacrona and Mariri within it.
3:11Perfect.
Preparação, quantidade e como funciona a dose
3:12Here we mix them.
3:15Let's put them
3:18over here...
3:25For example, this amount
3:27of Mariri and Chacrona
3:31is enough for how many ceremonies, more or less?
3:35More than 8.
3:36More than 8?
3:37More than 8 small glasses.
3:41On average, do people drink one glass at each ceremony?
3:43Yes, yes...
3:45There are a lot of questions
3:46that we must ask.
Triagem: saúde mental, coração e medicações
3:47Is that specific person capable of drinking it,
3:50in terms of physical and mental health?
3:52Are them ready?
3:53Is it performed in a suitable environment?
3:55A controlled environment?
3:56Is it safe?
3:57Do you know what's inside that preparation?
4:00Is it really Ayahuasca?
4:02In general, what we say about Ayahuasca
4:05or any other psychedelic substances
4:08is that people who have
4:10schizophrenia
4:12bipolar disorder,
4:13some diagnosis of psychosis
4:17of their own or even in their family, right?
4:19When you have a close relative with this diagnosis,
4:21it should be avoided.
4:22And also
4:24the issue of
4:26decompensated cardiovascular disease,
4:29some types of medication
4:30should also be avoided. There are some
4:32older types of antidepressants,
4:34which should also be...
4:36avoided.
4:36It is completely not recommended to mix it with Ayahuasca.
4:42The population goes to religious centers.
4:45Not only in the city
4:47but also in the forest.
4:49The shamans are very careful
4:51to observe all these criteria
4:53so that a person who cannot
4:55actually drink Ayahuasca
4:57bacause it cant lead to some negative effects,
4:59as we sometimes hear about.
5:02Do you also put cigarettes inside?
5:05Yes. Those are mapachos.
5:07Tobacco.
5:09Tobacco is what we call MAPACHO here.
5:12Mapacho?
5:13Yes...
5:13And what is mapacho for?
5:16It works to cleanse the stomach and body.
5:20Ah... so you can clean it up.
5:21As a cleaning substance too.
5:23Yes.. To clean it.
5:24This is mixed with Mariri.
5:29Perfect.
5:30And chacrona.
5:31And is this also natural?
5:32Yes. It's natural.
5:34It's natural.
5:36Tobacco is a plant.
5:37Which measures approximately 1.30m
5:40Perfect.
5:40So you take the tobacco straight from the plant
5:44and put it here?
5:45And we put it here.
5:46And do people smoke too?
5:47Exactly...
5:48But it's super natural. Isn't it like cigarettes?
5:50Super natural...
5:52Normally shamans smoke a lot during the ceremony
5:55and clients
5:56and tourists can do so if they wish.
5:59Is there a reason for it to be like this?
6:01Yes. It's for healing our entire body.
6:06Very well...
6:07Now let's add water.
6:08That. That's fine.
6:13Put it on, put it on without fear. You can put it all over.
Como a bebida é cozida e por que muda por tradição
6:26They are boiling together
6:28for hours or even days.
6:30It will depend a lot on the tradition
6:32behind the preparation.
6:35They will give form to,
6:36they will give rise to this
6:39brownish liquid
6:40that some traditions call Vegetal,
6:43others call Daime,
6:44they call Ayahuasca,
6:46they call Hoasca...
6:47So there are many names for the same preparation.
6:51Maniti Eco Lodge (Our hotel for 4 days in the Amazon)
6:56There are many
6:57important things that you have to keep in mind
6:59before doing Ayahuasca.
Intenção, set & setting e o que realmente importa
7:01One of them is a wish list
7:03of the things that you most want to come out
7:05during the ceremony,
7:06what you want to be healed
7:08or what you want to see during the ceremony
7:10and it is very important that you currently are
7:11in a very good state of mind
7:14so that you have the best experience possible.
7:17But one thing I want to make clear to you,
7:20as a request,
7:21as if it were my letter of intent.
7:23You have to be very careful on
7:25every guidance given during
7:27an Ayahuasca ceremony,
7:28such as following a special and almost vegan diet 3 days before
7:32not having sexual intercourse...
7:34and several others instructions that changes from place to place,
7:37I think the most important of all
7:39is knowing where
7:40you are going to take your Ayahuasca brew.
7:42One of the main issues is
7:45keeping yourself in a safe environment
7:46and alongside a person
7:48who knows
7:50how to deal with it
7:52and to guide
7:53the experience in a proper way.
7:55Do it with an experienced shaman.
7:57Look for reviews.
7:59Look for guidance.
8:00Don't do it with just anyone.
8:02Don't buy it anywhere.
8:03Because, then
8:04you can have a very negative experience.
8:07You have to carefully evaluate,
8:08whether there is authorization,
8:10whether the person doing the ceremony
8:12has experience or not,
8:14whether it is a place where,
8:15if you need any help,
8:16people will be able to help you.
8:18If there is someone from the medical field nearby,
8:20for example, taking part of it,
8:21if it is a case of
8:23a group environment...
8:25So do it carefully
8:27here in Iquitos, obviously you can do it
8:29at Maniti Lodge,
8:31here at the Camp
8:32you can do it with Maniti Expeditions,
8:34but regardless of where you do it,
8:37please be very careful
8:39and do it with someone experienced
8:41in order to have the best ceremony
8:42and experience possible.
Não é recreativo: riscos, suporte e responsabilidade
8:44Ayahuasca is not a recreational drug.
8:47Whoever thinks that are going to take Ayahuasca
8:49in order to feel
8:51happy, joyful...
8:52it can happen, but a lot of difficult things may also come out.
8:55Especially in the context of people
8:56who is goig through some medical treatment,
8:58who have this issue of psychological support
9:00to be able to work through
9:01all this difficulty,
9:04this difficult feeling,
9:05old traumas, sometimes, that return...
9:07Feelings that the person is not prepared to deal with.
9:10So it is a very important issue
9:13and one that must be closely monitored
9:15by specialized people.
9:16That doesn't necessarily need to be a psychologist.
9:19We talk about a psychologist
9:20because we are in a clinical context.
9:22But it could be a shaman.
9:23This is Leoncio, who you already know...
9:27who has worked with us for many years.
9:30He is an elderly man
9:32who also has a lot of experience
9:34when it comes to Ayahuasca.
9:39Any questions?
9:40You can do it to Leoncio.
9:42No... I just want to thank you
9:45for the opportunity to
9:48take Ayahuasca
9:49and do this ceremony here in Iquitos
9:52with you.
9:53And I'm very happy, very happy.
9:56And may it be a very beautiful ceremony
9:59for all of us.
10:01And I just want to enjoy the night with you
10:05and thank you so much for allowing me to take part in it.
10:08Sometimes, someone didn't have a prior issue.
10:10But
10:12some issue arose during the ceremony
10:15and the person had to deal with it afterwards.
10:18And, many times, dealing with it afterwards is difficult.
10:21In many cases, people don't have a proper
10:23support, right?
10:24In order to deal with it the best way possible.
10:28So it could be something new
10:30that you can't
10:34handle it properly afterwards or there will be some issues
10:37that you have to deal with
10:39after...
10:41after the cerimony.
10:42Very good.
Orientações práticas antes de beber
10:43Before you drink it,
10:46I'll show you that...
10:48we have a bathroom
10:49and I'll be responsible for you.
10:52We have a bucket in case you want to vomit...
10:57Sometimes you vomit, sometimes you don't.
10:59Because Ayahuasca works within.
11:02Very well...
11:03You also have your things
11:05and your water
11:06but during the ceremony you cannot drink it
11:09because the Ayahuasca has to work on you.
11:13If you want to wet your mouth
11:15after drinking it because it has a woody taste
11:18you can wet your mouth a little
11:20and then spit it into the bucket.
11:22Ayahuasca also has
11:23the issue of inducing vomiting and diarrhea,
11:25so it's interesting that, even if you don't want to
11:28take the spiritual component into consideration,
11:31please don't go for an Ayahuasca cerimony
11:33as you were going to a barbecue.
11:34Because you will still have that
11:36digestion process in our stomach, which is not very nice.
11:38So avoid some foods
11:41derived from milk, for example.
11:43Wine or sausages. Ham...
11:46These are foods that may interact
11:49with these monoamine oxidase inhibitors.
11:53And now our experience begins.
11:56I also want to ask you
11:57to have as much positive thinking as possible
12:00so that you can do this experience with me
12:02in order to keep us both safe.
12:04We hope to create this positive aura
12:06to make it a wonderful experience.
Limpeza, chacapa e começo do ritual
12:12We can start...
12:16This is a chacapa
12:18to remove bad things from the body.
12:21Perfect.
12:22Let's do some cleaning now.
12:26I am protected and clean.
12:28Of course...
12:29And will Ayahuasca also cleanse everything?
12:32Yes... and when you vomit too.
12:34Perfect.
12:38This is important because when we vomit
12:40or go to the bathroom
12:41people think it might be something bad
12:44but it is a good thing because it is cleaning up
12:46and taking all the bad things away from you.
12:49You understand what happens with medicine.
12:55Medicine always helps to cleanse, heal and protect.
13:00Let's do it.
13:03Each experience is very unique.
13:06Very individual.
13:07And very unexpected.
13:10So
13:11the same person
13:13can take
13:15Ayahuasca
13:16one day...
13:17But, a month from now, if they take it again,
13:19they will have a completely different experience.
13:21Even though in the same context
13:23with the same people and being himself.
13:27And, finally,
13:29the moment I waited
13:30for so many years has come.
13:33While I try to control my anxiety
13:36in these final minutes
13:37before drinking Ayahuasca,
13:39Leoncio reassures me with his prayer
13:42and the purification of the environment
13:44in order to everything goes well.
13:46In the name of the father, the son, the holy spirit, amen.
13:49Amen.
13:53Do I take it all at once?
13:55Yes. All at once.
13:59Ask for Ayahuasca.
14:00Close your eyes and
14:02mind. Make your wishes.
14:07All at once...
14:09and that's it.
14:17Cheers.
“Agora não tem mais volta”: início dos efeitos
14:38You can wet your mouth if you want.
14:39No...
14:41You can give it to me.
14:45Now there's no going back.
14:47My transformative journey
14:49begins.
14:51Quiet, peaceful. Breathe.
14:53Let's begin the ceremony of Pedro,
14:55who took the medicine.
14:57May today it be a powerful
15:01and wonderful experience.
15:02Close your eyes.
15:03In the name of the father, the son, the holy spirit, amen.
15:13Turn off the light...
15:15Let's turn off the light now, Anita.
15:23Close your eyes, my friend Pedro.
15:25Concentrate.
15:27Follow the songs and you will hear
15:30the songs of the shaman.
15:34The songs you will hear, the whistles...
15:37This chacapa beats will sound like music for you.
15:41Have a great trip, my friend Pedro.
15:45Thanks!
Música no escuro: como o ritual guia a experiência
15:51Leoncio insisted on doing the entire ceremony in the dark...
15:54because soon I'm going to start having very intense visions.
15:59When you take it,
16:00in a
16:02ritualistic
16:03context, the music is part
16:05of the experience.
16:06Music often guides the experience.
16:08Music can often
16:10rescue you from difficult moments.
16:34Once you drink Ayahuasca,
16:35after 20 or 30 minutes,
16:38you start to feel
16:40several changes, right?
16:42Changes in your body,
16:43changes in the way you see things,
16:45in the way you listen,
16:48in the way you perceive the environment
16:49and the passage of time...
16:51At the beginning, for example,
Primeiros sinais e o lado desafiador
16:52it was as if I had it in the Arquivo Confidencial, you know?
16:55That a lot of people come and say good things about myself?
16:57But it is quite the opposite.
16:58My biggest traumas
16:59and things that trigger me the most showed up
17:01and then it started to give me despair.
17:03Man, I don't want to see this anymore, I don't.
17:05But you don't have that control, right?
17:06Ah, so a new image comes after the other...
17:08You don't have that control.
17:12After 50 minutes of ceremony I started to have many different visions.
17:18Linder: Are you okay, Pedro?
17:20Leoncio: How are you?
17:21Pedro: Well, well, well...
17:22Leoncio: I'm glad you're okay.
17:24Pedro: Yes, yes, yes. We can continue...
17:29Experiences with Ayahuasca
17:31are very challenging.
17:33It's not usual that people
17:35ask for another another one
17:36in a very short period of time.
17:38This is also something that greatly differentiates it
17:40from other psychedelics.
17:41There is also the physical issue:
17:43diarrhea, vomiting...
17:45So, among the classic psychedelics,
17:48Ayahuasca is
17:50one of the substances
17:51that really
17:52has the lowest risk of dependence.
17:55I started vomiting
Purga e emoções: o que aconteceu com a gente
17:56as if purging myself of everything.
17:58When I picked up the bucket,
18:00I was already crying
18:01with joy and laughing.
18:07Leoncio: throw it out, Pedrito.
18:11I vomited 4 times during the entire ceremony.
18:19Leoncio sings to invoke the Ayahuasca mother, the spirits and Jesus...
18:26to bestow their blessings and to give us strength during the ceremony.
18:56Pedro: Linder, can I go to the bathroom?
18:58Linder: Yes. Of course.
19:00Towards the end of the ceremony, I went to the bathroom to pee.
19:05I didn't have any symptoms of diarrhea.
Quanto tempo dura e como vai passando
19:13Generally, these effects
19:15will last 4, 5 hours.
19:17Afterwards, they will decrease.
19:20Linder: Pedro...
19:21Pedro: Hi...
19:22Linder: if you want to lie down, you can.
19:25Linder: If you want to lie down, you can.
19:27Pedro: Ah... perfect. I want to lie down.
19:32Pedro: Ok. Here's good.
19:35Pedro: Here it is good.
19:37At the end of the ceremony, I lay down next to Anna (my wife),
19:41who were alongside me throughout the ritual.
19:54Pedro: Ahhh, very good!
19:59Linder: Anita...
20:03Linder: If you want tostay with him, you can.
20:05Linder: Because he's conscious.
20:09Linder: If you want to give him a hand, you can too.
20:13Linder: Don't worry.
20:15Pedro: Mô...
20:15Anna: Hi...
20:16Pedro: That was the biggest...
20:21Pedro: I have to apologize for all the times
20:24Pedro: I used the word transcendental.
20:28Peter: I was wrong.
20:30Pedro: That’s transcendental.
20:33Peter: I'm sorry!
20:40Anna: I'm so happy for you!
20:43Anna: I love you. Pedro: I love you too.
20:44Leoncio: Pedro...
20:47Leoncio: Now I'm going to end the ceremony, ok?
21:01Everything you felt during the cerimony:
21:03memories, insights
21:07or difficult moments that you went through,
21:10you will have to carry them
21:12for the next day
21:13and the days that follow.
21:15Leoncio: In Christ, the almighty of medicine.
21:17Leoncio: In the name of the father, the son, the holy spirit, amen.
21:21Linder: Amen, amen, amen, Pedrito.
21:24Pedro: Thank you very much, Leoncio.
21:25Pedro: One of the best experiences of my life!
21:29Pedro: Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
21:37Pedro: Thank you, Linder.
21:39Pedro: Thank you.
21:40Linder: Quiet, calm.
21:45Anna: I took everythig. It's all right.
21:48Anna: Come on.
21:54Anna: Good evening.
21:55Pedro: Good evening, Leoncio. Thank you very much.
O dia seguinte: corpo, mente e integração
22:05The ceremony ended yesterday
22:06at 1 A.M.,
22:07now it's 9 A.M.
22:09at the same day, right?
22:10The next day.
22:11I'm still a little dizzy from the effects.
22:15But it was something...
22:17very magical
22:18and transformative
22:19and, at the same time, really difficult.
22:22It wasn't an easy process.
22:23There were some very difficult moments there.
22:26I almost went into panic.
22:29But in the end,
22:30it paid off completely.
22:33Things started to happen
22:36and then the crazy thing about it is that
22:37if I opened my eyes,
22:39I couldn't see anything that was in front of me.
22:41It was like I was watching a movie.
22:43And i had several views there.
22:45And when I closed my eye
22:47I saw another vision.
22:49But the most interesting
22:52and craziest thing about it
22:54is that despite all of it,
22:56I was seeing hallucinations with my eyes open
22:58and another ones with my eyes closed,
23:00I was present.
23:01At all times, I could hear the shaman's music,
23:04I could hear the shaman talking to me,
23:05I could also hear the leaves rustling.
23:08When I needed to talk to Linder, I could.
23:10Okay, I'm here. I'm going...
23:12If I wanted to go to the bathroom, I could talk.
23:14So this mix of reality
23:16and of feeling present
23:17versus
23:19seeing hallucinations wether your eyes open or not
23:21while I was in a completely different environment...
23:24It was really crazy.
23:26Then it was very interesting because in these
23:29"bad trip" moments, so to speak,
23:32everything I wanted to get rid of
23:34was coming
23:36and it's very strong
23:37when you have a lot of bad thoughts
23:39or things that you want to get rid of
23:41coming all at once.
23:42And then you start to despair,
23:44but then I became conscious
23:45and listened to the shaman
23:46until there was a moment when I said:
23:48man, I'm ready.
23:49It can come.
23:50All these thoughts can come, which I'm...
23:53I'm almost up to...
24:18And then, I...
24:21And then I said: It can come.
24:25It may turn out that I'm ready...
24:28to
24:29handle it, that I'm ready to change myself.
24:33To finally change
24:35several things that I know I need to change
24:36that still torment me from the past.
24:40Exactly at that time,
24:42I started vomiting.
24:44It was time, then, for purification.
24:46It was time... and the shaman...
24:48it's very funny because when I started to vomit,
24:50the music was following me.
24:53And he was very cute, because he said
24:55"Pedrito, Pedrito..." in Spanish. "Cleanse it!"...
25:00And immediately after that
25:02I... I don't know...
25:04I started crying
25:06desperately.
25:08Like, the tears flowed and I also started laughing uncontrollably.
25:11Like, I was just there...
25:12And it was like I was levitating.
25:13I was: Ahhhh...
25:15And then
25:16lots of good things came out.
25:18Then you see everything
25:20you can imagine.
25:21And my body followed the visions.
25:24Sometimes I was holding my fists.
25:26Sometimes I had my hand on my chest.
25:27Sometimes I was laughing.
25:28Sometimes I was lying.
25:30Anna came a lot of times,
25:31Moka also came,
25:32and then I just watched ourselves...
25:35so...
25:36it started to be a very incredible experience.
25:38In the end, I was lying down
25:40and then the shaman came to finish the ceremony
25:44and that's when I understood
25:46that my list of intentions,
25:48at least in my ceremony,
25:50in this case,
25:51everything I saw
25:53was item by item on the list.
25:55That's why I came through these ups and downs
25:57that were the things I wanted to get rid of,
25:58the things I wanted to improve,
25:59the things I wanted to know better.
26:01And I only realized it
26:03because the last item on my list
26:05was back pain.
26:07And then, while I was lying down,
26:10suddenly when the
26:11shaman came to play the final song,
26:13I started to squirming.
26:15as If I was getting exorcised,
26:17my arm went here, my leg was there...
26:19my spine went to one side and then to the other...
26:21that was only my point of view, right?
26:22I don't think I was doing that in real life.
26:24But I kept squirming a lot, a lot.
26:27As if there was, in fact, adjusting
26:29my spine, my body.
26:30And then, at the last
26:32moment, I was like that
26:34and then my body started to levitate.
26:36And when he did like that
26:38to the plant: “tchik”
26:40and ended the ceremony, my body fell.
26:46Fully synchronized.
26:48And then it hit me.
26:49I said: man, that was the list.
26:50Then when I went through
26:52each item and what I was seeing
26:55made a lot of sense
26:56and the list
26:58became what I saw.
27:00You can't control it.
27:01When I was having those bad visions
27:03and I wanted to get rid of it,
27:04I didn't go: Oh, I don't want to see that.
27:05Move on!
27:06But I think that the list
27:08your thoughts beforehand,
27:10and your actual moment in life
27:12has a huge impact on what you will see
27:14and how you will
27:16carry out this ceremony.
O futuro das pesquisas com psicodélicos
27:17I think that every year people are
27:20really understanding the benefits
27:22and the risks,
27:23and also understanding that it's not magic either,
27:25right?
27:26But there is indeed a potential there
27:29to actually be something that brings
27:31advancement to psychiatry field.
27:33for mental health.
27:34It even bacame part of the movement itself, from
27:37psychiatry
27:39to neuropharmacology...
27:41psychology societies, which include, for example,
27:44tables and panels on psychedelics
27:48within conferences, congresses.
27:51So, we see that these fields of knowledge
27:53are making room for it, right?
27:56So people can research and present
27:58new results, right?
28:01It sort of brings a lot of hope for us
28:03because now we know we are
28:06working with the most innovative
28:12treatments and therapies.
28:14We are hopeful
28:17that what will be implemented there
28:19will be properly regulated...
28:23We had another magical
28:24experience in Peru
28:26visiting the Witches' Market,
28:28in Lima.
28:29There, the impossible
28:31seems to come to life.
28:33Voodoo dolls,
28:34mysterious amulets,
28:36spells to attract wealth,
28:39and hundreds of products
28:41that defy common sense.
28:43In addition to all this,
28:44we convinced a local shaman
28:47to perform an esoteric ritual with me
28:49with everything recorded.
28:51To watch this episode,
28:52just click on the card
28:54that is now popping on your screen.
28:56It was a great pleasure
28:58to live this Ayahuasca experience
28:59with you.
29:00We look forward to seeing you
29:01on our next
29:03unusual trip.