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0:14hello

0:28everyone

0:32all right hello everyone we're still

0:34flowing into the group here we're at60

0:38attendees so far and Counting still

0:40going

0:48up all right it looks like many of you

0:50have found the chat feature

0:58excellent

1:13all right welcome

1:17everyone I hope everyone is safe from

1:20the

1:21storm see many of you commenting on that

1:24in the chat to

1:28us

1:34if this is your uh first alumni panel I

1:37have a few uh instructions or details

1:39shared on the screen uh there's going to

1:43there's going to be no audio or video

1:45enabled for those in the audience and so

1:48that allows you to sit back and relax uh

1:51not worry about what's on your screen

1:53and just listen to our panelist if you

1:56want to ask questions we encourage it

1:58put it in the Q a there's a button on

2:01Zoom that allows you to ask questions at

2:03any point uh I'll be managing that and

2:06trying to integrate those questions into

2:09the uh the evening as we go but if we

2:12don't get to your question throughout

2:14I'll try to uh summarize it and ask one

2:18of those questions at the end of our

2:20panel event so if a question pops up put

2:24it in the Q&A and we'll get to it to the

2:27best of our ability if you just want to

2:28chat send a message message to everyone

2:30in the audience or send a message

2:32directly to the host and panelists you

2:34can do that in the chat feature uh don't

2:37put your question here but it's a great

2:39place to share praise you know thank the

2:42the panelists you can talk about the

2:45weather uh a few of you have done that

2:47already or you can just say hello right

2:49now if you'd

2:58like

3:04yeah if the power goes out for you all

3:07you know make sure you you check out uh

3:09the recording for the event

3:11tonight but if the power goes out for me

3:15then we're we're going to be in an issue

3:16and maybe we'll call it call it for an

3:18evening but hopefully we're going to be

3:20okay and uh we have panelists coming

3:23from different parts of the US so

3:26unfortunately we're all affected by a

3:27storm right now and we do our

3:30best so thank you all again for coming

3:33I'm joined by two alums that we'll jump

3:36to in just a minute and introduce and

3:38have them introduce themselves but I

3:41always think it's great to get a better

3:43sense of who's in the audience that

3:44changes every event and our panelists

3:47want to get a better sense of who's out

3:48there uh so we'll use the chat feature

3:52for this so familiarize yourself with

3:54the chat there and you'll answer a

3:57couple questions I have for you all

4:01all right so the first question I have

4:02for you to answer in the chat what is

4:05the job title of your dream job or

4:08career after graduation here at SF state

4:12so whether it's one year or 10 years

4:14what's your dream job after you

4:17graduate therapist social

4:20worker lawyer ux designer clinical

4:24social

4:25worker School

4:28therapist Child Life

4:31specialist

4:34mft research analyst college

4:37counselor victim Advocate some of these

4:40messages are coming just to the the host

4:42and panelists that's fine but that's why

4:44you might not see them out there but you

4:46can also send messages to everybody uh

4:49Human Resources family marriage

4:51counselor more social worker there's a

4:53lot of social worker interests in our

4:56major I

4:58noticed uh

5:00therapist lawyer City

5:05representative uh IO

5:08psychologist stay-at-home catmom or

5:11therapist all right thank you for

5:13sharing

5:14Nicole uh family counselor

5:17excellent all right so we have uh two

5:22panelists here today that are coming

5:23from different career uh fields and so

5:27let's see how much we know about or what

5:30kind of pops into our head when we hear

5:32about those career Fields so one of our

5:35panelists works in career advising what

5:38is a one word or a phrase that comes to

5:41mind when you think about working in

5:43this career

5:44field go ahead and send it in the chat

5:47what pops up in your head when you hear

5:48somebody who works in career advising

5:51office job

5:53counselor

5:56guidance helping School

6:06College

6:10mentorship you see

6:14me oh uh oh we might have lost a little

6:16bit of

6:19power all right so we just had our first

6:22victim to power outage on the East Coast

6:24Stacy is dealing with the a pretty

6:27severe winter storm in Maine so one of

6:30our panelists has switched to I believe

6:32probably a phone we'll do our best to

6:34continue to incorporate Stacy uh thanks

6:37for tpping it out there uh I'll go ahead

6:39and read a few more from the chat so

6:40Stacy can hear it teenagers Mentor

6:44Mentor being a career encyclopedia

6:47that's an interesting

6:50thing excellent all right and the other

6:53panelist works in uh marriage family

6:55therapy and so what is one word that

6:57comes to mind when you think about

6:59working in this type of career field in

7:01marriage and family

7:04therapy

7:06couples arguments

7:10divorce divorce job security

7:15divorce

7:17hope divorce emotions

7:21commitment

7:26understanding

7:28resolution a good one

7:31trauma and communication quite a bit a

7:34lot of different forms of communication

7:36being

7:37mentioned conflict

7:41resolution dual families and abuse

7:46trauma excellent thank you all for

7:48sharing out there I think that helps our

7:51panelists connect with you all a little

7:52bit so it's great that to see so many of

7:54you participating in that uh Icebreaker

7:58there so so I want to uh it looks like

8:01we have one of our panelists with a

8:03little bit of lighting back so thanks so

8:04much for sticking it out Stacy we're

8:06joined by two of our alums um and uh you

8:10know I'm excited to kind of see how

8:13these two different career fields are

8:15different but maybe how they overlap in

8:17some ways at least for these two alums

8:20and so welcome uh Stacy and Malia uh

8:25grateful to have you both here and uh

8:28we'll just jump right into it and learn

8:29a little bit more about your career

8:31Journeys and we'll start with Malia just

8:33so we can give Stacy a few more moments

8:35to get settled I'm not sure how well uh

8:38that's going but uh we'll start with you

8:41Malia can you provide a brief timeline

8:43of your professional events from when

8:44you were a psychology student to your

8:46current

8:47job yeah absolutely and Stacy I'm so

8:50sorry that the power is out I think that

8:52you're such a rockar for doing this um

8:56so I'm going to be reading a little bit

8:57of a timeline so hopefully it's not

8:59super dry but I wanted to make sure I

9:02remembered everything that I've done um

9:04so I graduated SF St in 2015 um while I

9:09was at SF State I actually uh did I te

9:14for an abnormal Psych class and that

9:16kind of got my feet wet in learning a

9:18little bit more about what it would be

9:20like to do some teaching um I also

9:24interned at Planned Parenthood while I

9:26was at um SF St and and I also was a

9:30sexual health STI and birth control

9:33counselor at SF State as well um that's

9:36kind of the direction I thought I was

9:37going to go into um but I ended up um

9:42graduating um like I said in 2015 I

9:45worked at a nonprofit for a little bit

9:48called girls today women tomorrow in Los

9:51Angeles um I ended up after that working

9:55at a DBT focused outpatient um called

9:59called The Institute for girls

10:01development um and I learned a little

10:03bit about how a therapy practice is ran

10:07um I there also got some DBT training

10:12and learned a little bit more about what

10:13dialectical behavioral therapy is yes um

10:18and was able to sit in on multiple DBT

10:21groups um again dialectical behavioral

10:24therapy um I did that for about a year

10:27and a half and then I went to grad

10:29school I went to Antioch Los Angeles um

10:33that's where I currently am and I

10:35specialized in LGBT affirmative

10:38psychology um it was there that I uh

10:42started to become a nanny um I needed to

10:44make money and I wanted to be working

10:47with folks um so I naned as a toddler

10:51for toddlers infants and teens um after

10:55that I did my traine ship which if

10:57you're an lmft you have to do a traine

11:00ship and an internship um so my trainee

11:03ship which was during graduate school

11:06and that was in 2018 was at the Los

11:08Angeles LGBT Center um there I got a lot

11:13of uh education and um work and worked a

11:19lot with folks in crisis um I also

11:22worked one on one and I created a uh

11:26women's or queer women's LGBT um support

11:30group after that um I graduated in

11:342018 and I did my internship with a

11:38needing disorder specialist which is my

11:41specialization um and I did that at a

11:43group practice and uh completed my 3,000

11:48hours there which was a long time that

11:50took about two and a half years um and

11:54then I opened up my own private practice

11:56with my former supervisor um um and so

11:59now we uh have this private practice

12:02where I see individuals uh families and

12:05I also run multiple groups specifically

12:08eating disorder groups um body image

12:10groups that are um inclusive LGBT

12:14inclusive specifically so that's a

12:17little bit about me all right thanks so

12:18much I had a quick followup uh you have

12:21a very um it a clear timeline or in your

12:25timeline you can see that there's uh

12:27quite a bit of focus on a certain type

12:29of population or the clients that you

12:31work with when did you start to realize

12:32you wanted to kind of serve those

12:36communities absolutely um so it was

12:39really when I was at SF state that I

12:42knew that I wanted to work with LGBT

12:44folks I myself am queer and I knew that

12:47I wanted to serve the community um and

12:50then when I was starting to um practiced

12:54in grad school and I did my trainee ship

12:57um I really realized that there was this

13:00like giant missing hole um when it came

13:04to eating disorder work and recovery and

13:07LGBT folks and so um I started to become

13:11really interested in working with folks

13:13with eating disorders um when I started

13:16becoming really curious about

13:18intersectional feminism and queerness

13:20and queer Theory and so I knew I wanted

13:23to work um through that lens and working

13:27with folks with eating disorders really

13:29kind of um captured that in essence if

13:32that makes sense yeah that's great and

13:35um do you still use uh dialectical

13:38behavioral therapy at all in your your

13:40practice for sure yeah I do um I use DBT

13:45skills often um I you I use them with a

13:48bunch of other modalities like if we

13:50wanted to talk a little bit about

13:52attachment Theory I use that with

13:54attachment Theory as well but um I find

13:57that DB skills can be really effective

13:59in the moment when it comes to crisis

14:01situations um or if someone's

14:03emotionally

14:06disregulated great thanks so much for

14:08that Malia and we'll we'll jump over to

14:10Stacy here uh I I think we have we're

14:14working properly there can you provide a

14:16brief timeline of your professional

14:17events from when you were a psychology

14:19student to your current

14:22role sure can you hear me absolutely

14:25yeah and we can see you too so okay good

14:28actually well oh good good there I do

14:31have um a puppy Princess Leia is next to

14:34me um she's a little scared of the dark

14:37so she's hanging with me but she's kind

14:39of she's all black so you can't really

14:41see her anyway so yes so I want to say

14:44that before I got to San Francisco State

14:47um I actually had already been to three

14:51colleges and obtained a um an associates

14:54degree in acting from the American acad

14:58Academy of dramatic arts so when I

15:00transitioned uh when I went to San

15:02Francisco State University um I was

15:06beginning to realize that my I was

15:08really fascinated with people and why

15:10they did the things they did um and what

15:13happened was my um internship class that

15:17I took I interned at what is now called

15:20the Janet pomoy Center um back in the

15:24day it was the recreation center for the

15:26handicapped so you know why the name has

15:28been changed

15:29thankfully and I interned there in their

15:33um theater Department that they had they

15:35had a theater group and I worked with

15:38and it was for people with and without

15:39disabilities and so I was able to take

15:42my theater training and apply my

15:46psychology basis that I had at that

15:49point in time and connect the two things

15:51together um which was amazing to me to

15:54be able to take two things that I loved

15:56and be able to apply them together um

15:59and while I was there I met um a mentor

16:02his name is Jay Katz he's since retired

16:05from the center but he is still my

16:07mentor to this day and so um and one of

16:12the questions he asked me that nobody

16:13had asked me before is what do you want

16:16to do what are you doing and you have to

16:18remember I'd already been through like

16:20this was my fourth college that I'd

16:22transferred to um and he was the first

16:25person to ask me that question and I was

16:28stunned by it so I loved what I was

16:31doing at San Francisco uh what I was

16:33doing at the Janet pomoy so I actually

16:35applied to a school in

16:37Massachusetts for expressive art therapy

16:40to do my masters in expressive art

16:42therapy but I didn't do enough research

16:45on the school culture so I um ended up

16:50not attending and moving back to Maine

16:53which is where I am originally from and

16:56starting to look again for another

16:59um master's program and at the time I

17:01started I became an educational

17:03technician at a school for um kids with

17:07disabilities and behavior um needs um

17:12and so uh through that I became inspired

17:14to become a school counselor because I

17:16felt that I wanted at the time to be an

17:18advocate in any shape or form for this

17:20particular population um and so working

17:22with people with various disabilities

17:25has always been something that I have

17:26done and something that my family has

17:28done in their past and so it's felt like

17:30a really nice

17:33um kind of area to go into and uh so

17:38started my Master's in School counseling

17:41with all intense purposes how many hours

17:43of training do you get together

17:45reading uh a lot not as many as Mala

17:50definitely not um I'll get to that and

17:55so

17:57um I decided I was going to be a middle

18:00school counselor because I thought that

18:02that would be like where my need where

18:04my skill set would be the

18:07greatest uh and I didn't like working

18:10with middle schoolers

18:13uh at all um I told myself I was never

18:16going to work with high schoolers either

18:18because I just thought that that would

18:20be a horrible idea for me but I forced

18:24myself to do my internship uh that I had

18:26to do for school Counseling in high

18:28school and I loved it and I loved every

18:32aspect of it um and

18:37so within my um master's program I

18:40became a graduate assistant to the

18:42special education department that kind

18:44of makes sense and I actually started

18:47working for the University that I'm

18:49currently working for so I've been at

18:53the University of Southern Maine for 20

18:55years oddly enough um um and during my

19:01master's program I took a career

19:04counseling I took a career class like

19:08you know career counseling class and I

19:10fell in love and I thought where was

19:12this you know where has this been why

19:16had I never met anybody who had talked

19:18to me about um you know my Myers Briggs

19:22or my strong or just talked about career

19:25exploration or what a major was or what

19:28types of Majors there are what options

19:30and opportunities I had I me I I spent

19:3312 years finishing my bachelor's because

19:35I had not had a person to ask me that

19:38question um so when I finished my

19:41masters in School counseling I ended up

19:43working with college students and I

19:46originally started working with a

19:48program where students with disabilities

19:51uh were in a two-year program

19:53postsecondary program and I was teaching

19:55the college component of it so they

19:57would come on to campus and it was a lot

20:00of career development um in preparing

20:02them for the workforce um and then I

20:04trained we had some reorganization and I

20:06transitioned finally into um a career

20:10coordinator and then became a career

20:12advisor uh got my doctorate in there um

20:17and then um and now am a senior career

20:20adviser in our career employment Hub and

20:23I specialize in the College of science

20:26technology and health I'm a total nerd

20:30geek

20:32um and so I love all technology I love

20:35science I probably would have been a

20:37zoologist had I not uh be gone into

20:40psychology and counseling so it's a

20:43perfect fit for me so it took me a long

20:46time but I'm definitely in the right

20:48place and I absolutely love what I do

20:52every day thank you for that and I think

20:55a lot of students in the audience can uh

20:58relate to being a transfer student or

21:01you know all of us can relate to there's

21:04no just direct path to success so

21:06there's a lot of lefts and right turns

21:08and u-turns so uh I'm curious are are

21:11you doing anything with um the Theater

21:13Arts now in your career or how do you

21:16incorporate that um early passion oh

21:21every I was um when I first came back to

21:24Maine I was part of the community uh

21:27theater group

21:28here and was doing a lot of different

21:30shows in the evenings you know working

21:32by day doing shows at night um then uh I

21:36had my son and that kind of put a stop

21:39to that but I incorporate it into every

21:41presentation that I do every

21:43presentation that I do like it has given

21:45me a foundation I can present in front

21:48of 500 people or two people it I have no

21:51fear um and I can pretty much talk about

21:53anything I can just make it

21:56up Improv

21:58I love the the connection the connection

22:01between the you know arts and and being

22:03a psychologist uh we'll stick with you

22:06stay oh there's a lot of yeah yeah sure

22:10we'll stick with you with the next

22:11question can you provide a little more

22:12detail on The Daily responsibilities and

22:15duties at your current job so what does

22:17a typical day in the life look like for

22:19you

22:21professionally sure you're probably

22:23going to hear this a lot but there is no

22:25typical day um I I work with um First

22:32Years through alums so we see everybody

22:34we're with students for Life as we say

22:37so I could be working uh you know at the

22:40beginning of the day it might be with a

22:42student who's a first year student who's

22:43Undeclared who has no idea what it is

22:46that they want to do and we're doing

22:48major and career exploration I could be

22:50then working with a student who's just

22:52about to graduate and we're working on

22:54their resume in their cover letter and

22:55talking about

22:56interviewing I could could be meeting

22:58with a student who graduated 15 years

23:01ago and is in the midst of a career

23:04change I be I went to a nursing class

23:07last week and presented on uh resumés

23:11cover letters interviewing salary

23:13negotiation um there is I sit on

23:16different uh committees um I help design

23:20and uh events big and small so it's a

23:25perfect fit for my personality because

23:27I'm constant L doing I don't like

23:30repetition um and so every student is

23:34different and all their needs are

23:35different and so it's a it's a perfect

23:38fit you mentioned um kind of connecting

23:41for life or the whole lifelong career

23:44Journey but yeah um do students maybe

23:47see you a handful of times or off like

23:50once a year for the rest of the for a

23:52long time or how often are they visiting

23:54you and communicating

23:56it's um oh wow so I also teach a class

24:02called College and Career Success and

24:04many of the students that I work with in

24:06that class I will see periodically

24:10forever um and I have students that

24:13graduated 10 years ago that are still

24:16they don't come to they're more friends

24:18now than they are um students that I

24:21work or alums that I work with so some

24:24students will like during a a year

24:28they'll want to see me almost every week

24:30so I only we only do once a week

24:33appointments for students they can't

24:35make multiple appointments during one

24:37week because um of how busy I am um and

24:41because I'm I work specifically with the

24:43College of science technology and health

24:45it's a the students there are um act

24:49like very active and they keep me quite

24:52busy um so alums sometimes check in you

24:57know you know once a year once a month

25:00it just depends I have one Alum who

25:02tried to make three appointments with me

25:04over the past three weeks

25:07and but they're really in the midst of a

25:10big transition and so um they they

25:15really need a lot of support so it all

25:20depends and uh I'm curious on about how

25:23much of your time is are you actually

25:26working kind of oneon-one with somebody

25:28um what percentage of your time do you

25:32think oh my goodness um that's a really

25:34good question I would say probably one

25:38on-one probably

25:41about 70% of my

25:44time well thanks so much we'll come back

25:47to you with some more questions in just

25:49a moment Malia how about you can you

25:51provide a a bit more details about your

25:53daily responsibilities and duties so

25:55what does a A Day in the Life look like

25:57for you

25:58professionally absolutely

26:01um so I will say my my unlike Stacy my

26:06schedule looks pretty much the same

26:09every day um I personally and this

26:12really varies therapist to therapist see

26:15about five to six clients a day um

26:19sometimes that includes like I said our

26:20groups that we do I do those on

26:23Wednesdays um and one on Tuesday but I

26:26like to sleep in so I like to sleep in

26:30and start my day around two that's one

26:32of the joys of having your own practice

26:35um so I usually start seeing clients at

26:372 pm um because of my specialization

26:41working with eating disorders um I work

26:44within a something called a treatment

26:45team so that usually means that I'm

26:48connecting with my client psychiatrist

26:50primary care physician dietician school

26:54counselor if they're a teen I do see

26:56adolescents um as well as like teachers

27:00or case managers so I do a lot of like

27:04emailing doing treatment team meetings

27:07um making sure that the client is

27:09supported in kind of all Realms um so I

27:13usually will hop on shoot some emails

27:15make some phone calls if that's needed

27:18um and then check my schedule and then

27:21at the end of the day I have to do the

27:23dreaded uh task of doing notes if you're

27:26a therapist notes are really important

27:29um and you don't want to fall behind on

27:30them so I do schedule like 20 minutes at

27:33the end of a day to write up basically

27:36what happened in our session um so I

27:39don't forget and also you know there's a

27:41point of reference and then I do Billing

27:43at the end of the day so that's what my

27:45day looks like about how long are your

27:48your sessions when you're meeting yeah

27:51so my sessions are about 50 minutes um

27:53and I work I should be really specific I

27:56work with adolescent so I do have

27:58teenagers I have some middle schoolers

28:01um I do family sessions as well um and

28:04those are they usually go about an hour

28:06to be honest and then our groups are an

28:08hour as well and are your clients um

28:12like self voluntar there or how are you

28:16recruiting people to come and talk to

28:18you or how are they yeah absolutely so I

28:21am in private practice I do not take

28:23insurance I can go on about that if

28:25folks are curious and interested about

28:27that that is like a really uh

28:30interesting thing to do um to go into um

28:34and yeah so a lot of my clients um I'll

28:37be really honest um they find us through

28:40our website and I also have a um

28:43Instagram page so sometimes they'll find

28:46us through that as well um I run uh an

28:50Instagram um that is specifically like

28:53eating disorder recovery memes and

28:55mental health memes and sometimes folks

28:56will find us through there sometimes

28:58they'll find us through like word of

29:00reference um because I do work within a

29:03treatment team like dietitians will

29:06often refer clients as well and um how

29:11long are you meeting with a client like

29:14in terms of months years like how long

29:17do that relationship last yeah so it

29:20really depends um case to case because

29:24eating disorder recovery is so handson I

29:27usually work with clients pretty long

29:29term um some clients I have for a year

29:33some clients I have like I have a client

29:36I've been working with for four years um

29:39it really depends and some people really

29:41find it to be helpful to also do

29:43something called stepping down so

29:46sometimes we have um you know we'll meet

29:49two times a week plus they'll be in

29:51group with me plus they're seeing a

29:52dietician and maybe even having a family

29:55therapy and then we kind of will St step

29:57them down depending on like what level

29:59of support they might

30:01need and then we had a question in the

30:04chat but make sure you send your

30:05questions in the Q&A but I thought this

30:07one I caught it um you know what what

30:10type of things are you talking about

30:11when you're doing these kind of like a

30:13background check or just talking with

30:15their um about looking into your

30:18client's personal history or um you

30:22mentioned a few Representatives that you

30:24spoke with about clients oh like what do

30:26I talk with in the treatment team yeah

30:29like what what what do you uh you said

30:30you me talking to their um nutritionist

30:34or things like that what what type of

30:36things come up that you would be looking

30:38for or what information are you

30:40researching yeah absolutely so um when

30:43we're in a treatment team like

30:45specifically I I think I saw one with

30:47that was like what my Consulting with

30:49clients about like psychiatrist um so

30:52with psychiatrist I'll often talk about

30:54like what their behavior is looking at

30:56and often times we'll go into um you

31:00know what their mood is like um as a

31:03licensed marriage and family therapist

31:05we have to do uh mental health

31:07assessments um and evaluations so I

31:10might be sharing a little bit about like

31:11what's going on in terms of you know

31:14their peer support what's going on

31:16within the the home that's happening um

31:20oftentimes we'll get into like how the

31:22client is presenting in session um level

31:25of motivation so those are kind of some

31:28of the things we get into uh with a

31:30dietician I do have to have a lot of

31:32back and forth um conversation so we

31:35definitely go into behaviors um we

31:38definitely will go into like is the

31:40client motivated for Recovery uh what

31:43the client is presenting in terms of

31:46session like is the client uh having

31:49depression a manic episode what's going

31:52on um and then what are the goals

31:54they're working on with their dietitian

31:56and what are the goals that they're

31:57working on with me okay neat it sounds

32:00like a lot of goal oriented Focus there

32:03and what they can be working on to

32:05improve themselves yeah absolutely I

32:08also want to say I should have said this

32:09too um you know not every client is

32:12super motivated for eating disorder

32:14recovery so I often often will do harm

32:18reduction um and that's super

32:20important great and uh one of the

32:23students asked for the Instagram maybe

32:24you can share that in the the chat for

32:26sure

32:27Stacy I had a quick followup um given

32:31kind of the stuff Malia was talking

32:33about there I'm curious what type of

32:35topics you're discussing with your

32:36students um I assume goals and um a lot

32:40of those things come up but what are

32:41some of the activities or topics you

32:43might uh that might come up on a daily

32:46or frequently oh such a good question

32:52um something that that um I found we

32:56have

32:57even though we're in

32:59Maine people don't think of Maine as

33:01being very diverse but we do our our um

33:05I'm in Portland Maine which is the

33:07largest city in the state and the

33:10university I work at is right in the

33:11middle of that City and so we have a

33:14really diverse

33:15population and um one of the big things

33:19that I talked to students about a lot of

33:21times is if they're following a pathway

33:24because they're choosing to or if

33:27somebody else has um told them that they

33:31have to um I have a lot of students

33:33whose parents um they're they maybe have

33:38immigrated uh to the country or they're

33:41refugees and so they spend a lot of time

33:44um getting to our country and they also

33:48have been told by their families what

33:50they need to um study which is either

33:53become a doctor or a lawyer or an

33:55engineer because that's what what um

33:58they think is going to make money um and

34:00that's what they need to do so I spend a

34:02lot of time working with students

34:04finding their passion and helping them

34:06find the the words and the language to

34:09speak to their families about um about

34:11following their passion versus U

34:14following kind of a path that may end up

34:18not even happening for them because for

34:20some of them becoming a a doctor is is

34:24just not in the scope um other times

34:29it's as easy as just what is a

34:33resume why do I have to have one what's

34:36the benefits of an internship so

34:39sometimes it's very heavy duty

34:41conversations um sometimes students are

34:44in crisis and I have to work with our

34:46Counseling Services um to get them uh to

34:51help them get their needs met um but

34:54most of the time it's you know what what

34:58am I going to do with myself you know

34:59what can what can I do with this major

35:01and you know how can I make money um and

35:04so we have to kind of unpack all of

35:06those things and talk the reasons behind

35:08why um you know why is it why are we so

35:12money focused or different things like

35:14that so it varies I never know I'm

35:18always

35:19surprised yeah it's very interesting it

35:21made me think about when I was trying to

35:23talk to my family about wanting to be in

35:26psychology and they wanted me to go into

35:28math or

35:29engineering because that was what I was

35:31good at um they didn't see me as

35:34somebody who could talk to people so

35:38yeah I I went into theater and my

35:40parents said that I needed a backup and

35:43I should go into education and become a

35:44teacher which is quite funny because now

35:47I work at a university and I teach but

35:49um I had to do what I wanted to do first

35:52and but then I fell into um the love of

35:56Psy pschology and the love of counseling

35:58and the love of career counseling so it

36:01all makes

36:02sense Malia we'll jump back up to you

36:04for this question uh what characteristic

36:07like a knowledge skill or ability

36:09temperament is most important to do your

36:11job well and if you could pick one uh

36:14what's one characteristic that you've

36:16been able to develop or improve during

36:18your

36:20career for sure I definitely want to

36:23quickly answer someone um's question

36:26what is harm reduction so harm reduction

36:28is a theory um that basically is meeting

36:33a client where they're at so a client

36:35client might not be willing to change or

36:37change their um Behavior whether it may

36:40be substance abuse um or use it might be

36:44um like you know self harm whatever that

36:47may be in my you know in my um personal

36:51field it's a lot of like self harm and

36:54eating disorder behaviors and so what we

36:56do is we find ways to um meet the client

37:00where they're at they might not be

37:01willing to change so we give them skills

37:03and tools to help reduce the level of

37:06harm that they might do to themselves an

37:08example might be um if someone is

37:11purging I'll ask them not to brush their

37:13teeth immediately after because that can

37:15erode the enamel within their mouth just

37:18super random but that's something that

37:20we might use um self harm I might use

37:23you know I might ask them to make sure

37:25that they always have um a kit next to

37:27them have some alcohol pads um or

37:31bandages um make sure that their tools

37:33are sterilized etc etc um but going back

37:37into this um this was a really hard

37:40question for me to think about because

37:42there's so much but the thing um the

37:45quality that really for me it boiled

37:48down to is having compassion um both

37:53self-compassion and compassion for my

37:55clients um if I just saw my clients as a

37:59diagnosis I would not be able to do my

38:01job um I have to be able to see them as

38:05human beings going through a human

38:07struggle and to be able to hold that

38:10they have a lot of stuff going on and an

38:14eating disorder doesn't just happen um

38:17you know randomly it's not no one

38:19chooses to have an eating disorder

38:21there's usually trauma involved and so

38:24it's really important for me to be able

38:25to hold space for that um especially in

38:29eating disorder recovery we talk a lot

38:31about the importance of having

38:32self-compassion and saying an eating

38:35disorder cannot

38:36coexist with self-compassion it's super

38:40important to be able to talk to yourself

38:42as you were a friend or um a loved one

38:46and um so I think that's really

38:48important self-compassion also for me

38:51means having a non-judgmental stance so

38:54if someone's going to tell me something

38:55that a lot of times clients will come in

38:57and say like what I'm about to tell you

38:58is really gross or I'm really ashamed or

39:01I feel really icky about this and just

39:03like sitting there and being with them

39:05and being really honest and saying like

39:07you can't shock me I've heard it all um

39:10I'm here for you I'm here to support you

39:12this is your time to take up um my you

39:16know my presence is to be able to hear

39:18you out I want to be able to support you

39:21and if you want you know a skill I can

39:24offer that or I can just be here as a

39:26presence to witness you um so that's

39:29really important for me um

39:31self-compassion is something that I

39:33think um as a baby therapist I really

39:35struggled with I was very type A I was

39:38perfectionistic and I really had to let

39:40that go because when you're working with

39:42the general public like there is things

39:45are going to get messy and complicated

39:47and so for me personally I needed to be

39:49able to say like you know you're going

39:51to mess up sometimes you're not going to

39:53say the right thing like your power's

39:55going to go out in the middle of a

39:56session um or you might sit there later

39:59after a session and think like oh my

40:01gosh I totally forgot to say that so to

40:03be able to say like hey I really you

40:07know like I'm growing I'm a human being

40:09I'm gonna make mistakes and that's okay

40:12and you know my intention is to hold

40:15empathy and I want to wake up every day

40:17and show up for people that you know

40:19might not be able to show up for

40:20themselves are really

40:23important great thank you for that and

40:25thank you for uh touching on the topic

40:29earlier the question about harm

40:31reduction appreciate that uh stac Stacy

40:34um same question for you is what

40:36characteristic is most important to do

40:38your job well and if you could pick one

40:40characteristic could you explain how

40:42maybe you've developed it during your

40:43career

40:46Pursuit absolutely first I want to say

40:48Malia that was fantastic oh my gosh I

40:51love that that was beautiful um we all

40:53need compassion I concur uh for me my

40:58skill um was

41:01listening uh listening is a skill I

41:03didn't realize that um when I work with

41:07students who are interested in

41:08counseling uh a lot of times I ask them

41:11you know you know why do you want to go

41:13into counseling they're like I give

41:14really good advice and I always chuckle

41:17to myself and I say you know it's all

41:21about the listening it's not so much

41:23about the the giving of advice a lot of

41:25times and I actually took a class in my

41:28Master's um when I was in my masters and

41:31it was a skills class and it was on

41:32listening and we had

41:35to do a mock session uh with one of my

41:39uh you know one of our our classmates

41:41and we were recorded and we had to then

41:45watch rewatch the recording with our

41:47class and Reed and receive feedback from

41:51it it was probably the hardest thing

41:52I've ever done because I am so

41:55extroverted

41:57that I just like to talk all the time

42:01and I was required to stop what I was

42:05doing and really focus on what it was

42:08that the person was saying and it

42:10changed

42:11me um in so many different ways and now

42:17I even now though I still work on it

42:19because when students are talking to me

42:21it it triggers a memory or it triggers

42:23something else and I want to say

42:25something but I have to remember that

42:27I'm there to help them um and that I'm

42:32you know I'm there to uh to to to offer

42:37them guidance and support that it's not

42:39about me but F absolutely listening um

42:43and I try to listen to my family more

42:45than I did back in the day and I I

42:50listen as much as I possibly can because

42:53it's it can be in the inflection ction

42:56you know it could be there's a lot of

42:59underlying um information that goes on

43:02when you're that you can pick up while

43:04you're listening and then it you can

43:06have a better deeper conversation with

43:08somebody because you might have picked

43:09up on a tone or an inflection um and you

43:13can question that and that brings up all

43:16a variety of different you know emotions

43:19but also topics from that and they're

43:22Grace you know they're they're happy

43:24that somebody noticed I think so I'm

43:28still working on it though it's still a

43:30skill that I will always work

43:32on thank you for that and I I always am

43:35surprised when I see uh undergrads

43:39resumés and active listening is not

43:41listed as a skill that they've developed

43:43it's such a a typical part of all areas

43:45of psychology and our students

43:48absolutely are definitely developing

43:50that skill so I think it should be on on

43:52some rumes out there um I I'm curious

43:55because you mentioned EXT you're a very

43:57high extrovert um I have a lot of

43:59students uh who who ask if how can they

44:03be in Psychology if they're an introvert

44:05um you know does that play a role in

44:07your your job do you see extroversion as

44:10being pivotal pivotal to your success or

44:13can somebody who's a little bit more

44:15reserved and like more smaller

44:18environments of of people do

44:21well so our office is or small but my

44:27and this is the first time okay 20 years

44:29people you know and I've I've had

44:31different um I was going to call Sam

44:33cast members but they're colleagues see

44:36that theater it gets all mixed up in

44:38there um life is just a big show uh

44:43so this is the first time there's nine

44:46of us in my office and three of us are

44:49extroverts so this is the first time

44:52ever that the introverts have outweighed

44:55the extroverts and as extroverts we have

44:59had to change the way that we do things

45:02um how we approach things with our

45:04introverted colleagues um I think intro

45:07I love introverts I'm I'm I'm mesmerized

45:11by their ability to think and

45:13contemplate and all within their head

45:15and come up with almost like the perfect

45:18response um and giving giving space to

45:21people introverts are fantastic at

45:23giving space because that's what they

45:26need and that's what they want in order

45:28to have that reflection and time to

45:30think about something before responding

45:32to it whereas an extrovert I'm just

45:34going to sit here and process out loud

45:37continually until I finally get to

45:39whatever the point I was making so um I

45:42think counselors can be extroverts and

45:45introverts and I think that each has

45:48things that they need to work on

45:49extroverts need to pull back a little

45:51bit and introverts kind of need to I

45:53always say like intro extroverts need to

45:55to not vert and introverts need to vert

45:58more uh and it's just learning that so I

46:04think everybody you know anybody could

46:06honestly if they have a passion for it

46:08you can be great at whatever you want it

46:11does take time effort and learning and

46:13practice um and some things will come

46:16naturally and some definitely will need

46:19to be learned yeah thank you for that I

46:22I definitely agree with passion plays a

46:24big role in Career Success and U both

46:27introverts and extroverts probably need

46:29to learn how to listen better so

46:32regardless of which which type we are

46:34but thank you for that we we'll stick

46:36with you for this question um Stacy

46:39what's a challenge that you have faced

46:41during your career Pursuit and how did

46:44you address this

46:46challenge so I was wondering about this

46:48question um is this question in regards

46:51to like me as a career s like career

46:56advisor or is this me personally it can

46:59be either I think we people in the

47:02audience would just be interested in

47:05understanding any challenge you might

47:06have faced in your career Pursuit

47:08whether that's Fork life balance or

47:11something only in the

47:13workplace okay

47:15um there's I guess there's two the first

47:18one is

47:21parents um yeah please don't let your

47:25parents go an interview for

47:27you

47:29um just don't do that um and I'm not

47:32kidding I mean it sounds funny but it

47:34happens more often than you think um so

47:38parents uh have have um in my profession

47:43have because I'm guarded by furpa um

47:47which pretty much says that a student

47:50has parents can't have the right to know

47:53what their students are up to um unless

47:55the student gives them permission

47:58um parents can it's unfortunate that

48:02sometimes parents kind of don't want

48:05their students to follow their passion

48:07they want them to follow something that

48:09they're interested in I've already

48:11touched on that and the other thing that

48:13I've come to

48:16um work within or grasp and embrace is

48:20the fact that there was there's really

48:22no upward Mobility for me so that means

48:24moving up in my Prof session I thought a

48:27lot of times about being the director of

48:29our department but it's not uh I don't

48:33want to do the administrative role I

48:35like working with students I like doing

48:37presentations and so I had to come to

48:39terms with the fact

48:41that I just wanted to love what I do and

48:45that people have asked me all the time

48:47like why aren't you doing this and why

48:49aren't you doing that I'm like because I

48:50don't love those things this is what I

48:52love and so staying staying the course

48:54for myself is really important and just

48:57reminding myself of why I do what I do

49:00and part of that is because I love what

49:03I do and I love the students that I work

49:05with

49:06so um great thank you for that and I

49:09really liked how you brought up the

49:11point about uh that upward mobility and

49:14it's really important when you're

49:15looking at a career to think about what

49:18is the career going to look like in five

49:1910 15 years if I'm successful because

49:23many of the people in the audience will

49:24be successful especially if they're

49:26passionate about what they're doing and

49:28it reminded me when I was first started

49:30working I was working for the Air Force

49:32and if I kept doing my job well I would

49:35be promoted out of being a researcher uh

49:38would no longer be uh doing actual

49:41psychology work I'd be more of a manager

49:43I'd be more overseeing policies and that

49:46wasn't what I wanted to do so it

49:49reminded me very much of how I took a

49:51turn in my career

49:52Pursuit I think it's important to know

49:55to define success for yourself and not

49:58necessarily let it be defined for you

50:01like what does success look like um and

50:04that's going to be very different for

50:06different people so um yeah excellent uh

50:11Malia we'll jump back to you what's the

50:13challenge that you faced during your

50:14career Pursuit and how did you address

50:16this

50:18challenge yeah for sure first off I

50:20wanted to say I am an introvert um I am

50:24uh someone like after my day of work I

50:27do not want to talk to anybody I want to

50:29sit in front of my TV and watch reality

50:32TV like I do not I do not want to be

50:35talking to people um I have a small

50:38group of friends I keep that group small

50:40like I so I it's funny like our

50:43different personality um

50:45traits so going into challenges

50:49um this is like kind of something it it

50:52touches on like a question you're going

50:54to ask in a little bit but I feel like

50:56it's really important to talk about um I

50:59wish that someone had told me about how

51:02long it takes to become licensed um it

51:06takes a very long time this process is

51:09very uh labor intensive um like I said I

51:15had to complete 3,000 hours um and a

51:19part of that was going through two major

51:22tests as a licensed marriage and family

51:24therapist you have to take the law and

51:26ethics exam and you have to take a

51:28clinical exam um both of those took me

51:31about like I'm not a great test taker so

51:34I you know I took my time about two to

51:36three months to study for um and that

51:39took a bunch of time out of like seeing

51:41clients and gaining those hours while I

51:44was an intern you know I wasn't paid a

51:47lot and so I had to see a large amount

51:50of clients I had a really heavy case

51:52load um and that was so I could just

51:54like sustain and make a living so that

51:56was something that was really um tricky

51:59the other um kind of challenge in my

52:02career is right now um about a you know

52:05starting last year I started a business

52:07and no one told me how to start a

52:09private practice um I didn't know the

52:12difference between a general you know

52:14Business Partnership and an ESC Corp and

52:16paying taxes and you know quarterly

52:19taxes that was a whole new realm for me

52:22um and so that's been a challenge for

52:24sure I really wish that I had um at

52:28least in grad school or even in

52:29undergrad some sort of idea of like what

52:32having a business might be like and how

52:35to really prepare myself for that

52:37process um that being said you know I'm

52:40I'm really glad that now I kind of can

52:44understand the the different challenges

52:46coming up to that but it's been tricky

52:48it's been a long it's been a long

52:51road yeah I think that's a great point

52:53about being an entrepreneur which you

52:55are and uh many of our students I think

52:59maybe have that thought about starting

53:01their own consulting firm or or business

53:04or being at their own you know having

53:06their own private practice and it does

53:07require those skills and knowledge that

53:11you're probably not going to get an

53:12undergrad you're you maybe could get in

53:14a grad program if you're lucky but a lot

53:16of it comes down to finding mentors or

53:19taking additional online courses or

53:22Community College courses to develop

53:24that um how did you learn how to do the

53:27business side of it Malia did you have a

53:28mentor or just use uh Google University

53:32um Google University um I hired a CPA

53:37because I was like I am not doing taxes

53:39on my own um and a lot of it was like me

53:42and my business partner being like okay

53:44well what do you know what do you know

53:47um and making you know like a giant

53:49Google doc and being like this is what

53:51we know about taxes um which is someone

53:54who like I did not take a business

53:56course so like a lot of it was just like

53:59Googling things calling her CPA and

54:01being like what is q1 and when does it

54:04start and why is it q1 and why are they

54:06not you know perfectly in four months um

54:10all of just like that stuff was was hard

54:13to learn but yeah Google University

54:15Google it all yeah and it sounds like

54:17you had a a great Network to to kind of

54:20rely upon and that's something that I'd

54:22encourage everybody in the audience to

54:24start developing now amongst your peers

54:27fellow psychology students you know

54:29eventually you might be in the same

54:31situation want to ask questions of each

54:33other um Malia we'll stick with you what

54:36are some ethical or moral dilemmas that

54:38you've experienced as a

54:42psychologist well well well this is the

54:45question I'm so excited to answer um

54:48cause this one really uh I feel like is

54:51really important to talk about

54:53especially in my field

54:55um moral and ethical dilemma is seeing

55:00systems fail clients that is always

55:03going to be difficult and I mean like

55:06insurance insurance is a big one so you

55:09know why I said I didn't take insurance

55:12is because when I did work um at the

55:16group practice previously I saw people's

55:18Insurance be cut immediately and they

55:20lost treatment and they no longer were

55:22able to um get support that is really

55:26hard to see happen over and over again

55:29um seeing clients not be able to access

55:32adequate Health Care um which includes

55:35mental health um

55:38Psychiatry um resources around like if

55:41you know if someone does have an eating

55:42disorder dietitians that specialize in

55:45Eating Disorders case managers how um

55:49packed their case loads are some of my

55:51clients are in crisis and they're not

55:53able to see a psychiatrist for three

55:55months and that's through their

55:57insurance so they have to figure out a

55:59way to like find resources that is

56:02really hard um and also quite

56:05disheartening um so I think that part is

56:08really difficult I also want to just say

56:10you know different insurances depending

56:12on therapy um have a really long waiting

56:15list and sometimes folks are in crisis

56:17and they cannot wait that long um that's

56:20also really tricky too you know clients

56:23I have a couple clients I see um pro

56:27bono and that's something that I really

56:29wanted to be able to do because I wanted

56:31clients to be able to have access to

56:33really good

56:35resources um but that being said you

56:37know I've heard a lot of like I don't

56:40want to say horror stories but a bit of

56:42horror stories of like clients you know

56:44not being able to get into their you

56:46know Mental Health Care system when they

56:48were having a severe episode um and

56:51that's really hard to sit with so that's

56:54a system that's very difficult to kind

56:57of reckon with and I also just want to

56:58say you know also seeing clients when

57:01they go to like the doctor especially in

57:04my field um you know having them get

57:07weighed or having their weight be

57:09constantly talked about when they're in

57:10eating disorder recovery having to

57:13practice talking to their doctor about

57:15like I don't want to get weight I don't

57:16want my BMI to be talked about can you

57:19please make sure that weight loss is not

57:21a part of what we talk about um so

57:25seeing kind of those systems come in

57:27place is also disheartening you know

57:28like I'll have a client come in and have

57:30knee pain and it's because they you know

57:32had a knee injury years and years ago

57:34and their doctor will be like well it's

57:36actually because you're overweight and

57:38therefore you should lose weight even

57:40though they have told their doctor

57:41multiple times that they have an active

57:44eating disorder and they are seeing a

57:46treatment team so that's also difficult

57:50um the other part that I wanted to talk

57:52about which actually has to do with

57:54insurance as well is when my clients

57:56have to step up to a level of care so

57:59that means like they're no longer

58:00appropriate to see me at an outpatient

58:02level and they might have to go to

58:04Residential Treatment um sometimes

58:06Insurance just won't cover it and that's

58:09really hard because they need the

58:11support and they can't continue to be at

58:13this level of care um and so you know

58:16that's that's tricky to see clients

58:18really struggle uh with their insurance

58:21that's supposed to be working with them

58:22and getting them care

58:25yeah yeah thank you for that that is uh

58:29sounds like that's a very stressful

58:32thing to deal with on on your end and I

58:34I think there'll be a Q&A question about

58:36that later that we'll we'll come back to

58:39uh Stacy uh what's the what are some

58:41ethical or moral dilemas that you've

58:43experienced as a

58:47psychologist nothing

58:50remotely like Malia I have to say um wow

58:55um I work in higher ad and I work for a

58:59public

59:00institution um and within that I work in

59:03a field that's not well um what's the

59:08word I'm looking

59:10for um honored I guess by The Faculty um

59:16that work within institutions and I

59:18think this is everywhere I it's not just

59:20our institution but Career Services is

59:22probably one of the under most

59:26underutilized uh underrecognized

59:29um offices um within um higher ed within

59:34colleges and universities most

59:36certainly so there is a constant battle

59:40so 20 years I've been here 20 years and

59:42I've been doing this uh work for 20

59:45years and it's only within the past five

59:48years that I and honestly part of

59:51getting my doctorate was to get the fud

59:54after my name or be Dr Stewart so that I

59:57would be at the same level as many of

59:58our faculty members and that changed a

1:00:02lot and um it was

1:00:04just it rubbed me the wrong way that I

1:00:07had to just keep I love that I have a

1:00:11doctorate

1:00:12um I'd probably go get another one if I

1:00:15if my family could handle

1:00:18it I hopefully they didn't hear that um

1:00:24however

1:00:25uh getting that Union card as it was

1:00:29referred to when I was getting my

1:00:31doctorate um was what helped faculty

1:00:34recognize that I had the qualifications

1:00:37to be able to do the work that I

1:00:39do um and now actually I can say the

1:00:43state of Maine um voted on a bond and we

1:00:47actually have a career center building

1:00:49we have an entire building um on our

1:00:52campus that's going to be opening in

1:00:54June and I'm estatic that career is

1:00:58actually in the name of the building and

1:01:00it will hopefully change a lot of things

1:01:02but it has been a really tough road for

1:01:05people to recognize that what we do is

1:01:09important and um and valuable and we

1:01:14have so many students that come back as

1:01:16alums and are like I didn't even know

1:01:18you existed like why didn't I know that

1:01:20you existed um and that is just makes me

1:01:24sad um but we're getting there we're

1:01:27getting there I mean we have our own

1:01:29National Association got a couple of

1:01:31them so you

1:01:33think yeah I think uh universities all

1:01:37throughout um under resource their their

1:01:41Career Centers and or maybe don't even

1:01:43have one they may not even have one when

1:01:47I started our our our Cent career center

1:01:50was

1:01:51um very different from what we are now

1:01:55um and we try we stay on top of what's

1:01:58happening out in the world and change

1:02:01what we need to change but Career

1:02:03Services has come a long way so if you

1:02:06I'm sure you have career services and

1:02:08all of you should take

1:02:11advantage of the

1:02:14services I think you also brought up a a

1:02:16great point about the

1:02:18expectations of degrees or maybe

1:02:21certifications or certain experience in

1:02:23order to get

1:02:25a certain level of respect in a in a

1:02:27field and I think sometimes it's really

1:02:30obvious what you need to have like 3,000

1:02:32hours to get your license but a lot of

1:02:35fields of psychology have these vague

1:02:38expectations or Unwritten

1:02:41rules so to speak and so you kind of

1:02:44have to feel them out and talk to

1:02:46mentors and get a sense of what's going

1:02:48to be expected of you maybe you know as

1:02:51a IO psychologist my background it's

1:02:54certain types of work experience are

1:02:55more important um in other fields you

1:02:58really have to have degrees and

1:03:00certifications or other types of

1:03:02experience to get that kind of

1:03:04credibility but I think that's a great

1:03:05point you brought up and really

1:03:08interesting one we stick with you Stacy

1:03:10for this question of what professional

1:03:12tip would you give your colleged age

1:03:19self you know thought about this lots of

1:03:22different times and I honestly wouldn't

1:03:23change anything um my journey was long

1:03:27but

1:03:28necessary I would um I would tell myself

1:03:32to breathe um and probably read a bit

1:03:36more I didn't really take the time to

1:03:39read everything that I probably could

1:03:41have but yeah I I honest I just I

1:03:45probably give myself a hug more than

1:03:47anything just tell myself to breathe I

1:03:49tell students to breathe all the time

1:03:51because they get so wound up and caught

1:03:53up and concerned and worried about

1:03:54what's going to happen next and part of

1:03:57my job is to help them

1:04:00unwind so that they can figure out what

1:04:02they're going to do next I think we

1:04:04heard about self-compassion a little bit

1:04:05earlier as being an import important

1:04:07yeah de and so breathing is definitely a

1:04:11giving ourselves a break to to kind of

1:04:15right there is a good point so thank you

1:04:16for that yeah Malia how about you what's

1:04:19a professional tip you'd give your

1:04:20college stage

1:04:22self before I answer this am I allowed

1:04:25to cuss I have no filter here for you so

1:04:28it's up to you wonderful um I would say

1:04:31to chill the out um I was like

1:04:33going way too hard I was like taking 18

1:04:37units I was like doing internships

1:04:40naning I was doing way too much um and I

1:04:44really needed to chill out and be and

1:04:46and be reminded that I'm gonna get to

1:04:48where I'm going when I need to um and at

1:04:52my time like I did not need to be doing

1:04:56all of the stuff that I needed to be

1:04:57doing I wish I took more time to travel

1:05:01I wish I took more time to like you know

1:05:03do yoga I don't know do a random pottery

1:05:07class like I needed to be I think I I

1:05:09needed to do that um but I was like just

1:05:12so focused on like going going going and

1:05:16um I thought that like my resume and

1:05:19cover letter needed to be perfect um and

1:05:22I I just want to say like to all

1:05:24students like take your time like you're

1:05:26going to get to where you're going like

1:05:28I promise you there will be a light at

1:05:31the end of the tunnel but like if you're

1:05:33not there yet it is so okay um and

1:05:36you're going to burn yourself out I

1:05:38burned myself out and I like really

1:05:42could have taken some really good time

1:05:44to take care of myself and I didn't um

1:05:47so that's what I really wanted to say

1:05:49chill the

1:05:51out excellent oh my

1:05:55God I think Stacy's also G to be

1:05:58chilling I took a half I absolutely I

1:06:02took a a half a yoga class at San

1:06:06Francisco State and was

1:06:08in basement of the gym and it was like

1:06:11the best thing ever like it just calmed

1:06:14you down and centered you and it was in

1:06:16the dark which made it even better like

1:06:18there are those classes take those

1:06:20classes definitely and to all the

1:06:23students in the audience The Psychology

1:06:26major is designed to not have an

1:06:28excessive number of units and so you

1:06:30have a lot of flexibility to take units

1:06:33outside the major um really explore your

1:06:37interests and maybe maybe not your

1:06:39professional interest maybe it's a

1:06:41theater class or a yoga class that

1:06:42you're just really passionate about so

1:06:45um those were great uh thank you all for

1:06:48you two for going through those

1:06:49questions we had a few questions in the

1:06:51Q&A that we haven't touched on that one

1:06:53of them has to do with just self-care

1:06:56and you know how both of you deal with

1:06:58the stress of whether it's working with

1:07:00clients or um one of you mentioned U

1:07:03being a parent you know what are you

1:07:05doing to manage your your lives and make

1:07:08sure you take care of your personal

1:07:10health um any tips that you might

1:07:13have I'll open it up to either of you I

1:07:17have a

1:07:20therapist and I've had the same

1:07:22therapist for

1:07:2512 years now but before that I've had

1:07:28therapists I lived in New York I had a

1:07:30therapist there I when I moved back to

1:07:32Maine I found a therapist um I strongly

1:07:35believe in having a sounding board who

1:07:37is not a family member I there's certain

1:07:40things that I just want to be able to

1:07:42talk about whether it's my work or

1:07:44whether it's family or whatnot but I

1:07:46need somebody outside of my unit in

1:07:49order to do that to decompress and so I

1:07:52still see her every two

1:07:55weeks and I love her and um it's evolved

1:07:59we're probably closer to being friends

1:08:00which is proba not the you know it's not

1:08:03the best thing but um when you've been

1:08:05with somebody for so long in a

1:08:08therapy relationship it changes over

1:08:11time but definitely if you're going to

1:08:13be a counselor you need your own

1:08:17therapist excellent thank you Malia any

1:08:19thoughts on self-care and self-help yeah

1:08:23um for sure get a therapist like we we

1:08:26need it I too have a therapist love

1:08:28Shannon uh seen her for five years I see

1:08:31her weekly so important to do your own

1:08:34work um I have a pretty active like um

1:08:38life outside of being a therapist so you

1:08:41know I really enjoy um I'm a I'm a

1:08:44crafty person I really love to craft I

1:08:46enjoy crocheting and painting um I do

1:08:50some knitting and

1:08:52embroidery I like to go through thrift

1:08:54store shopping um I hang out with my

1:08:56friends quite a bit I have two cats uh

1:08:59one dog and my partner so hanging out um

1:09:03I also like to do traveling trips um I

1:09:06have another friend that's a therapist

1:09:07and is in private practice and sometimes

1:09:09we'll get out of town we just went to

1:09:12Savannah Georgia and did a bunch of

1:09:14ghost hunting stuff um I like to go to

1:09:17music

1:09:18festivals um so yeah I try to plan a lot

1:09:22outside of my work

1:09:24um I also think it's important to like

1:09:26you know do some movement whether it be

1:09:28like in yoga um I love that someone

1:09:31definitely talked about that um I also

1:09:34um yeah really enjoy doing some like

1:09:38meditation some light meditation I'm

1:09:41trying to do everything to like cool my

1:09:44nervous

1:09:46system yeah it sounds like your job has

1:09:49a lot of flexibility in when you work so

1:09:52you're able to kind of work it around

1:09:53those types of hobbies and personal

1:09:55interests is that right yeah definitely

1:09:58and someone had asked if I worked online

1:10:00I do I do um only virtual therapy right

1:10:03now and that started during the pandemic

1:10:06um and I think uh well I know for a lot

1:10:09of my clients um who have chronic health

1:10:12issues um being able to see someone

1:10:14virtually is a lot more accessible also

1:10:17I'm able to see anyone in the state of

1:10:19California so that's also pretty helpful

1:10:22too excellent

1:10:25uh I have a one final question for you

1:10:28both is where do you see your career

1:10:30Journey going next if we check in with

1:10:32you in five or 10 years where might you

1:10:38be Stacy how about you where can we see

1:10:41your career Journey going same

1:10:43University all the way oh probably yeah

1:10:47I'm I just yeah I love I love where I

1:10:50work um we have a lot of first

1:10:51generation students and just we have a

1:10:55lovely broad demographic and I love them

1:10:59all I think I'm definitely a lifer um

1:11:03for what I'm doing and eventually retire

1:11:06and maybe try

1:11:08something else eventually I guess I've

1:11:12never it's funny I when it comes to

1:11:14Myers Briggs I'm a definite planner I'm

1:11:16a Jay through and through um however

1:11:20when it comes to my life not not planned

1:11:23I just kind of roll with it and see

1:11:25where it takes me so my husband wants to

1:11:26move to St Croy so he thought I could

1:11:29work at the University of St Croy in

1:11:31their career

1:11:32center was like we're moving to St Croy

1:11:35I'm I'm not working at anything I'm

1:11:38lying on a beach somewhere but we'll see

1:11:40I have no idea I honestly

1:11:43don't Malia how about you what where are

1:11:46you going to be headed in your career

1:11:48Journey for sure um you know I I wanted

1:11:53say so there's a couple things um I was

1:11:56thinking about teaching I actually was

1:11:58offered um a professorship but I ended

1:12:00up turning it down because I wanted to

1:12:02grow my private practice and be more

1:12:04connected to that so um hopefully I'll

1:12:07be teaching um I also want to be doing

1:12:09some fun groups um eating disorder

1:12:12groups like doing like a gardening group

1:12:16um maybe doing like an art Therapy Group

1:12:19um I do want to get uh certified in EMDR

1:12:23um which is ey movement rapid Des

1:12:26desensitization I can't ever say that

1:12:28word and I always flip the things um

1:12:31letters uh so I would like to get um

1:12:34certified in that I definitely want to

1:12:36do some more art therapy I think that's

1:12:39so cool um but yeah definitely doing

1:12:42Private Practice I always said I wanted

1:12:44to go back to my high school and be a

1:12:46therapist there um I went to an all

1:12:48girls catholic girl all girls catholic

1:12:51school um so that was something that I

1:12:53also wanted to do but unfortunately my

1:12:56high school's closing down H so I don't

1:12:59know maybe go going to another all girl

1:13:02school who knows excellent well thank

1:13:05you both for for joining uh us tonight

1:13:08if you're in the audience send some

1:13:10gratitude to our panelists they're

1:13:13volunteering their time some on the East

1:13:14Coast time some here in California and

1:13:17the weather is affecting all of us so um

1:13:20really grateful to have both of you

1:13:22learn a little bit more about your

1:13:23career Journeys and hopefully we can

1:13:26check back in in a couple years and see

1:13:28where you're at and do another panel and

1:13:30have a lot of fun that

1:13:32way but have a good rest of your night

1:13:35everyone uh and have a good night Stacy

1:13:38good night Malia uh stay safe out there

1:13:41everyone

1:13:44thanks thank you

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