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1:17everyone I hope everyone is safe from
1:20the
1:21storm see many of you commenting on that
1:24in the chat to
1:28us
1:34if this is your uh first alumni panel I
1:37have a few uh instructions or details
1:39shared on the screen uh there's going to
1:43there's going to be no audio or video
1:45enabled for those in the audience and so
1:48that allows you to sit back and relax uh
1:51not worry about what's on your screen
1:53and just listen to our panelist if you
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2:06trying to integrate those questions into
2:09the uh the evening as we go but if we
2:12don't get to your question throughout
2:14I'll try to uh summarize it and ask one
2:18of those questions at the end of our
2:20panel event so if a question pops up put
2:24it in the Q&A and we'll get to it to the
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2:37put your question here but it's a great
2:39place to share praise you know thank the
2:42the panelists you can talk about the
2:45weather uh a few of you have done that
2:47already or you can just say hello right
2:49now if you'd
2:58like
3:04yeah if the power goes out for you all
3:07you know make sure you you check out uh
3:09the recording for the event
3:11tonight but if the power goes out for me
3:15then we're we're going to be in an issue
3:16and maybe we'll call it call it for an
3:18evening but hopefully we're going to be
3:20okay and uh we have panelists coming
3:23from different parts of the US so
3:26unfortunately we're all affected by a
3:27storm right now and we do our
3:30best so thank you all again for coming
3:33I'm joined by two alums that we'll jump
3:36to in just a minute and introduce and
3:38have them introduce themselves but I
3:41always think it's great to get a better
3:43sense of who's in the audience that
3:44changes every event and our panelists
3:47want to get a better sense of who's out
3:48there uh so we'll use the chat feature
3:52for this so familiarize yourself with
3:54the chat there and you'll answer a
3:57couple questions I have for you all
4:01all right so the first question I have
4:02for you to answer in the chat what is
4:05the job title of your dream job or
4:08career after graduation here at SF state
4:12so whether it's one year or 10 years
4:14what's your dream job after you
4:17graduate therapist social
4:20worker lawyer ux designer clinical
4:24social
4:25worker School
4:28therapist Child Life
4:31specialist
4:34mft research analyst college
4:37counselor victim Advocate some of these
4:40messages are coming just to the the host
4:42and panelists that's fine but that's why
4:44you might not see them out there but you
4:46can also send messages to everybody uh
4:49Human Resources family marriage
4:51counselor more social worker there's a
4:53lot of social worker interests in our
4:56major I
4:58noticed uh
5:00therapist lawyer City
5:05representative uh IO
5:08psychologist stay-at-home catmom or
5:11therapist all right thank you for
5:13sharing
5:14Nicole uh family counselor
5:17excellent all right so we have uh two
5:22panelists here today that are coming
5:23from different career uh fields and so
5:27let's see how much we know about or what
5:30kind of pops into our head when we hear
5:32about those career Fields so one of our
5:35panelists works in career advising what
5:38is a one word or a phrase that comes to
5:41mind when you think about working in
5:43this career
5:44field go ahead and send it in the chat
5:47what pops up in your head when you hear
5:48somebody who works in career advising
5:51office job
5:53counselor
5:56guidance helping School
6:06College
6:10mentorship you see
6:14me oh uh oh we might have lost a little
6:16bit of
6:19power all right so we just had our first
6:22victim to power outage on the East Coast
6:24Stacy is dealing with the a pretty
6:27severe winter storm in Maine so one of
6:30our panelists has switched to I believe
6:32probably a phone we'll do our best to
6:34continue to incorporate Stacy uh thanks
6:37for tpping it out there uh I'll go ahead
6:39and read a few more from the chat so
6:40Stacy can hear it teenagers Mentor
6:44Mentor being a career encyclopedia
6:47that's an interesting
6:50thing excellent all right and the other
6:53panelist works in uh marriage family
6:55therapy and so what is one word that
6:57comes to mind when you think about
6:59working in this type of career field in
7:01marriage and family
7:04therapy
7:06couples arguments
7:10divorce divorce job security
7:15divorce
7:17hope divorce emotions
7:21commitment
7:26understanding
7:28resolution a good one
7:31trauma and communication quite a bit a
7:34lot of different forms of communication
7:36being
7:37mentioned conflict
7:41resolution dual families and abuse
7:46trauma excellent thank you all for
7:48sharing out there I think that helps our
7:51panelists connect with you all a little
7:52bit so it's great that to see so many of
7:54you participating in that uh Icebreaker
7:58there so so I want to uh it looks like
8:01we have one of our panelists with a
8:03little bit of lighting back so thanks so
8:04much for sticking it out Stacy we're
8:06joined by two of our alums um and uh you
8:10know I'm excited to kind of see how
8:13these two different career fields are
8:15different but maybe how they overlap in
8:17some ways at least for these two alums
8:20and so welcome uh Stacy and Malia uh
8:25grateful to have you both here and uh
8:28we'll just jump right into it and learn
8:29a little bit more about your career
8:31Journeys and we'll start with Malia just
8:33so we can give Stacy a few more moments
8:35to get settled I'm not sure how well uh
8:38that's going but uh we'll start with you
8:41Malia can you provide a brief timeline
8:43of your professional events from when
8:44you were a psychology student to your
8:46current
8:47job yeah absolutely and Stacy I'm so
8:50sorry that the power is out I think that
8:52you're such a rockar for doing this um
8:56so I'm going to be reading a little bit
8:57of a timeline so hopefully it's not
8:59super dry but I wanted to make sure I
9:02remembered everything that I've done um
9:04so I graduated SF St in 2015 um while I
9:09was at SF State I actually uh did I te
9:14for an abnormal Psych class and that
9:16kind of got my feet wet in learning a
9:18little bit more about what it would be
9:20like to do some teaching um I also
9:24interned at Planned Parenthood while I
9:26was at um SF St and and I also was a
9:30sexual health STI and birth control
9:33counselor at SF State as well um that's
9:36kind of the direction I thought I was
9:37going to go into um but I ended up um
9:42graduating um like I said in 2015 I
9:45worked at a nonprofit for a little bit
9:48called girls today women tomorrow in Los
9:51Angeles um I ended up after that working
9:55at a DBT focused outpatient um called
9:59called The Institute for girls
10:01development um and I learned a little
10:03bit about how a therapy practice is ran
10:07um I there also got some DBT training
10:12and learned a little bit more about what
10:13dialectical behavioral therapy is yes um
10:18and was able to sit in on multiple DBT
10:21groups um again dialectical behavioral
10:24therapy um I did that for about a year
10:27and a half and then I went to grad
10:29school I went to Antioch Los Angeles um
10:33that's where I currently am and I
10:35specialized in LGBT affirmative
10:38psychology um it was there that I uh
10:42started to become a nanny um I needed to
10:44make money and I wanted to be working
10:47with folks um so I naned as a toddler
10:51for toddlers infants and teens um after
10:55that I did my traine ship which if
10:57you're an lmft you have to do a traine
11:00ship and an internship um so my trainee
11:03ship which was during graduate school
11:06and that was in 2018 was at the Los
11:08Angeles LGBT Center um there I got a lot
11:13of uh education and um work and worked a
11:19lot with folks in crisis um I also
11:22worked one on one and I created a uh
11:26women's or queer women's LGBT um support
11:30group after that um I graduated in
11:342018 and I did my internship with a
11:38needing disorder specialist which is my
11:41specialization um and I did that at a
11:43group practice and uh completed my 3,000
11:48hours there which was a long time that
11:50took about two and a half years um and
11:54then I opened up my own private practice
11:56with my former supervisor um um and so
11:59now we uh have this private practice
12:02where I see individuals uh families and
12:05I also run multiple groups specifically
12:08eating disorder groups um body image
12:10groups that are um inclusive LGBT
12:14inclusive specifically so that's a
12:17little bit about me all right thanks so
12:18much I had a quick followup uh you have
12:21a very um it a clear timeline or in your
12:25timeline you can see that there's uh
12:27quite a bit of focus on a certain type
12:29of population or the clients that you
12:31work with when did you start to realize
12:32you wanted to kind of serve those
12:36communities absolutely um so it was
12:39really when I was at SF state that I
12:42knew that I wanted to work with LGBT
12:44folks I myself am queer and I knew that
12:47I wanted to serve the community um and
12:50then when I was starting to um practiced
12:54in grad school and I did my trainee ship
12:57um I really realized that there was this
13:00like giant missing hole um when it came
13:04to eating disorder work and recovery and
13:07LGBT folks and so um I started to become
13:11really interested in working with folks
13:13with eating disorders um when I started
13:16becoming really curious about
13:18intersectional feminism and queerness
13:20and queer Theory and so I knew I wanted
13:23to work um through that lens and working
13:27with folks with eating disorders really
13:29kind of um captured that in essence if
13:32that makes sense yeah that's great and
13:35um do you still use uh dialectical
13:38behavioral therapy at all in your your
13:40practice for sure yeah I do um I use DBT
13:45skills often um I you I use them with a
13:48bunch of other modalities like if we
13:50wanted to talk a little bit about
13:52attachment Theory I use that with
13:54attachment Theory as well but um I find
13:57that DB skills can be really effective
13:59in the moment when it comes to crisis
14:01situations um or if someone's
14:03emotionally
14:06disregulated great thanks so much for
14:08that Malia and we'll we'll jump over to
14:10Stacy here uh I I think we have we're
14:14working properly there can you provide a
14:16brief timeline of your professional
14:17events from when you were a psychology
14:19student to your current
14:22role sure can you hear me absolutely
14:25yeah and we can see you too so okay good
14:28actually well oh good good there I do
14:31have um a puppy Princess Leia is next to
14:34me um she's a little scared of the dark
14:37so she's hanging with me but she's kind
14:39of she's all black so you can't really
14:41see her anyway so yes so I want to say
14:44that before I got to San Francisco State
14:47um I actually had already been to three
14:51colleges and obtained a um an associates
14:54degree in acting from the American acad
14:58Academy of dramatic arts so when I
15:00transitioned uh when I went to San
15:02Francisco State University um I was
15:06beginning to realize that my I was
15:08really fascinated with people and why
15:10they did the things they did um and what
15:13happened was my um internship class that
15:17I took I interned at what is now called
15:20the Janet pomoy Center um back in the
15:24day it was the recreation center for the
15:26handicapped so you know why the name has
15:28been changed
15:29thankfully and I interned there in their
15:33um theater Department that they had they
15:35had a theater group and I worked with
15:38and it was for people with and without
15:39disabilities and so I was able to take
15:42my theater training and apply my
15:46psychology basis that I had at that
15:49point in time and connect the two things
15:51together um which was amazing to me to
15:54be able to take two things that I loved
15:56and be able to apply them together um
15:59and while I was there I met um a mentor
16:02his name is Jay Katz he's since retired
16:05from the center but he is still my
16:07mentor to this day and so um and one of
16:12the questions he asked me that nobody
16:13had asked me before is what do you want
16:16to do what are you doing and you have to
16:18remember I'd already been through like
16:20this was my fourth college that I'd
16:22transferred to um and he was the first
16:25person to ask me that question and I was
16:28stunned by it so I loved what I was
16:31doing at San Francisco uh what I was
16:33doing at the Janet pomoy so I actually
16:35applied to a school in
16:37Massachusetts for expressive art therapy
16:40to do my masters in expressive art
16:42therapy but I didn't do enough research
16:45on the school culture so I um ended up
16:50not attending and moving back to Maine
16:53which is where I am originally from and
16:56starting to look again for another
16:59um master's program and at the time I
17:01started I became an educational
17:03technician at a school for um kids with
17:07disabilities and behavior um needs um
17:12and so uh through that I became inspired
17:14to become a school counselor because I
17:16felt that I wanted at the time to be an
17:18advocate in any shape or form for this
17:20particular population um and so working
17:22with people with various disabilities
17:25has always been something that I have
17:26done and something that my family has
17:28done in their past and so it's felt like
17:30a really nice
17:33um kind of area to go into and uh so
17:38started my Master's in School counseling
17:41with all intense purposes how many hours
17:43of training do you get together
17:45reading uh a lot not as many as Mala
17:50definitely not um I'll get to that and
17:55so
17:57um I decided I was going to be a middle
18:00school counselor because I thought that
18:02that would be like where my need where
18:04my skill set would be the
18:07greatest uh and I didn't like working
18:10with middle schoolers
18:13uh at all um I told myself I was never
18:16going to work with high schoolers either
18:18because I just thought that that would
18:20be a horrible idea for me but I forced
18:24myself to do my internship uh that I had
18:26to do for school Counseling in high
18:28school and I loved it and I loved every
18:32aspect of it um and
18:37so within my um master's program I
18:40became a graduate assistant to the
18:42special education department that kind
18:44of makes sense and I actually started
18:47working for the University that I'm
18:49currently working for so I've been at
18:53the University of Southern Maine for 20
18:55years oddly enough um um and during my
19:01master's program I took a career
19:04counseling I took a career class like
19:08you know career counseling class and I
19:10fell in love and I thought where was
19:12this you know where has this been why
19:16had I never met anybody who had talked
19:18to me about um you know my Myers Briggs
19:22or my strong or just talked about career
19:25exploration or what a major was or what
19:28types of Majors there are what options
19:30and opportunities I had I me I I spent
19:3312 years finishing my bachelor's because
19:35I had not had a person to ask me that
19:38question um so when I finished my
19:41masters in School counseling I ended up
19:43working with college students and I
19:46originally started working with a
19:48program where students with disabilities
19:51uh were in a two-year program
19:53postsecondary program and I was teaching
19:55the college component of it so they
19:57would come on to campus and it was a lot
20:00of career development um in preparing
20:02them for the workforce um and then I
20:04trained we had some reorganization and I
20:06transitioned finally into um a career
20:10coordinator and then became a career
20:12advisor uh got my doctorate in there um
20:17and then um and now am a senior career
20:20adviser in our career employment Hub and
20:23I specialize in the College of science
20:26technology and health I'm a total nerd
20:30geek
20:32um and so I love all technology I love
20:35science I probably would have been a
20:37zoologist had I not uh be gone into
20:40psychology and counseling so it's a
20:43perfect fit for me so it took me a long
20:46time but I'm definitely in the right
20:48place and I absolutely love what I do
20:52every day thank you for that and I think
20:55a lot of students in the audience can uh
20:58relate to being a transfer student or
21:01you know all of us can relate to there's
21:04no just direct path to success so
21:06there's a lot of lefts and right turns
21:08and u-turns so uh I'm curious are are
21:11you doing anything with um the Theater
21:13Arts now in your career or how do you
21:16incorporate that um early passion oh
21:21every I was um when I first came back to
21:24Maine I was part of the community uh
21:27theater group
21:28here and was doing a lot of different
21:30shows in the evenings you know working
21:32by day doing shows at night um then uh I
21:36had my son and that kind of put a stop
21:39to that but I incorporate it into every
21:41presentation that I do every
21:43presentation that I do like it has given
21:45me a foundation I can present in front
21:48of 500 people or two people it I have no
21:51fear um and I can pretty much talk about
21:53anything I can just make it
21:56up Improv
21:58I love the the connection the connection
22:01between the you know arts and and being
22:03a psychologist uh we'll stick with you
22:06stay oh there's a lot of yeah yeah sure
22:10we'll stick with you with the next
22:11question can you provide a little more
22:12detail on The Daily responsibilities and
22:15duties at your current job so what does
22:17a typical day in the life look like for
22:19you
22:21professionally sure you're probably
22:23going to hear this a lot but there is no
22:25typical day um I I work with um First
22:32Years through alums so we see everybody
22:34we're with students for Life as we say
22:37so I could be working uh you know at the
22:40beginning of the day it might be with a
22:42student who's a first year student who's
22:43Undeclared who has no idea what it is
22:46that they want to do and we're doing
22:48major and career exploration I could be
22:50then working with a student who's just
22:52about to graduate and we're working on
22:54their resume in their cover letter and
22:55talking about
22:56interviewing I could could be meeting
22:58with a student who graduated 15 years
23:01ago and is in the midst of a career
23:04change I be I went to a nursing class
23:07last week and presented on uh resumés
23:11cover letters interviewing salary
23:13negotiation um there is I sit on
23:16different uh committees um I help design
23:20and uh events big and small so it's a
23:25perfect fit for my personality because
23:27I'm constant L doing I don't like
23:30repetition um and so every student is
23:34different and all their needs are
23:35different and so it's a it's a perfect
23:38fit you mentioned um kind of connecting
23:41for life or the whole lifelong career
23:44Journey but yeah um do students maybe
23:47see you a handful of times or off like
23:50once a year for the rest of the for a
23:52long time or how often are they visiting
23:54you and communicating
23:56it's um oh wow so I also teach a class
24:02called College and Career Success and
24:04many of the students that I work with in
24:06that class I will see periodically
24:10forever um and I have students that
24:13graduated 10 years ago that are still
24:16they don't come to they're more friends
24:18now than they are um students that I
24:21work or alums that I work with so some
24:24students will like during a a year
24:28they'll want to see me almost every week
24:30so I only we only do once a week
24:33appointments for students they can't
24:35make multiple appointments during one
24:37week because um of how busy I am um and
24:41because I'm I work specifically with the
24:43College of science technology and health
24:45it's a the students there are um act
24:49like very active and they keep me quite
24:52busy um so alums sometimes check in you
24:57know you know once a year once a month
25:00it just depends I have one Alum who
25:02tried to make three appointments with me
25:04over the past three weeks
25:07and but they're really in the midst of a
25:10big transition and so um they they
25:15really need a lot of support so it all
25:20depends and uh I'm curious on about how
25:23much of your time is are you actually
25:26working kind of oneon-one with somebody
25:28um what percentage of your time do you
25:32think oh my goodness um that's a really
25:34good question I would say probably one
25:38on-one probably
25:41about 70% of my
25:44time well thanks so much we'll come back
25:47to you with some more questions in just
25:49a moment Malia how about you can you
25:51provide a a bit more details about your
25:53daily responsibilities and duties so
25:55what does a A Day in the Life look like
25:57for you
25:58professionally absolutely
26:01um so I will say my my unlike Stacy my
26:06schedule looks pretty much the same
26:09every day um I personally and this
26:12really varies therapist to therapist see
26:15about five to six clients a day um
26:19sometimes that includes like I said our
26:20groups that we do I do those on
26:23Wednesdays um and one on Tuesday but I
26:26like to sleep in so I like to sleep in
26:30and start my day around two that's one
26:32of the joys of having your own practice
26:35um so I usually start seeing clients at
26:372 pm um because of my specialization
26:41working with eating disorders um I work
26:44within a something called a treatment
26:45team so that usually means that I'm
26:48connecting with my client psychiatrist
26:50primary care physician dietician school
26:54counselor if they're a teen I do see
26:56adolescents um as well as like teachers
27:00or case managers so I do a lot of like
27:04emailing doing treatment team meetings
27:07um making sure that the client is
27:09supported in kind of all Realms um so I
27:13usually will hop on shoot some emails
27:15make some phone calls if that's needed
27:18um and then check my schedule and then
27:21at the end of the day I have to do the
27:23dreaded uh task of doing notes if you're
27:26a therapist notes are really important
27:29um and you don't want to fall behind on
27:30them so I do schedule like 20 minutes at
27:33the end of a day to write up basically
27:36what happened in our session um so I
27:39don't forget and also you know there's a
27:41point of reference and then I do Billing
27:43at the end of the day so that's what my
27:45day looks like about how long are your
27:48your sessions when you're meeting yeah
27:51so my sessions are about 50 minutes um
27:53and I work I should be really specific I
27:56work with adolescent so I do have
27:58teenagers I have some middle schoolers
28:01um I do family sessions as well um and
28:04those are they usually go about an hour
28:06to be honest and then our groups are an
28:08hour as well and are your clients um
28:12like self voluntar there or how are you
28:16recruiting people to come and talk to
28:18you or how are they yeah absolutely so I
28:21am in private practice I do not take
28:23insurance I can go on about that if
28:25folks are curious and interested about
28:27that that is like a really uh
28:30interesting thing to do um to go into um
28:34and yeah so a lot of my clients um I'll
28:37be really honest um they find us through
28:40our website and I also have a um
28:43Instagram page so sometimes they'll find
28:46us through that as well um I run uh an
28:50Instagram um that is specifically like
28:53eating disorder recovery memes and
28:55mental health memes and sometimes folks
28:56will find us through there sometimes
28:58they'll find us through like word of
29:00reference um because I do work within a
29:03treatment team like dietitians will
29:06often refer clients as well and um how
29:11long are you meeting with a client like
29:14in terms of months years like how long
29:17do that relationship last yeah so it
29:20really depends um case to case because
29:24eating disorder recovery is so handson I
29:27usually work with clients pretty long
29:29term um some clients I have for a year
29:33some clients I have like I have a client
29:36I've been working with for four years um
29:39it really depends and some people really
29:41find it to be helpful to also do
29:43something called stepping down so
29:46sometimes we have um you know we'll meet
29:49two times a week plus they'll be in
29:51group with me plus they're seeing a
29:52dietician and maybe even having a family
29:55therapy and then we kind of will St step
29:57them down depending on like what level
29:59of support they might
30:01need and then we had a question in the
30:04chat but make sure you send your
30:05questions in the Q&A but I thought this
30:07one I caught it um you know what what
30:10type of things are you talking about
30:11when you're doing these kind of like a
30:13background check or just talking with
30:15their um about looking into your
30:18client's personal history or um you
30:22mentioned a few Representatives that you
30:24spoke with about clients oh like what do
30:26I talk with in the treatment team yeah
30:29like what what what do you uh you said
30:30you me talking to their um nutritionist
30:34or things like that what what type of
30:36things come up that you would be looking
30:38for or what information are you
30:40researching yeah absolutely so um when
30:43we're in a treatment team like
30:45specifically I I think I saw one with
30:47that was like what my Consulting with
30:49clients about like psychiatrist um so
30:52with psychiatrist I'll often talk about
30:54like what their behavior is looking at
30:56and often times we'll go into um you
31:00know what their mood is like um as a
31:03licensed marriage and family therapist
31:05we have to do uh mental health
31:07assessments um and evaluations so I
31:10might be sharing a little bit about like
31:11what's going on in terms of you know
31:14their peer support what's going on
31:16within the the home that's happening um
31:20oftentimes we'll get into like how the
31:22client is presenting in session um level
31:25of motivation so those are kind of some
31:28of the things we get into uh with a
31:30dietician I do have to have a lot of
31:32back and forth um conversation so we
31:35definitely go into behaviors um we
31:38definitely will go into like is the
31:40client motivated for Recovery uh what
31:43the client is presenting in terms of
31:46session like is the client uh having
31:49depression a manic episode what's going
31:52on um and then what are the goals
31:54they're working on with their dietitian
31:56and what are the goals that they're
31:57working on with me okay neat it sounds
32:00like a lot of goal oriented Focus there
32:03and what they can be working on to
32:05improve themselves yeah absolutely I
32:08also want to say I should have said this
32:09too um you know not every client is
32:12super motivated for eating disorder
32:14recovery so I often often will do harm
32:18reduction um and that's super
32:20important great and uh one of the
32:23students asked for the Instagram maybe
32:24you can share that in the the chat for
32:26sure
32:27Stacy I had a quick followup um given
32:31kind of the stuff Malia was talking
32:33about there I'm curious what type of
32:35topics you're discussing with your
32:36students um I assume goals and um a lot
32:40of those things come up but what are
32:41some of the activities or topics you
32:43might uh that might come up on a daily
32:46or frequently oh such a good question
32:52um something that that um I found we
32:56have
32:57even though we're in
32:59Maine people don't think of Maine as
33:01being very diverse but we do our our um
33:05I'm in Portland Maine which is the
33:07largest city in the state and the
33:10university I work at is right in the
33:11middle of that City and so we have a
33:14really diverse
33:15population and um one of the big things
33:19that I talked to students about a lot of
33:21times is if they're following a pathway
33:24because they're choosing to or if
33:27somebody else has um told them that they
33:31have to um I have a lot of students
33:33whose parents um they're they maybe have
33:38immigrated uh to the country or they're
33:41refugees and so they spend a lot of time
33:44um getting to our country and they also
33:48have been told by their families what
33:50they need to um study which is either
33:53become a doctor or a lawyer or an
33:55engineer because that's what what um
33:58they think is going to make money um and
34:00that's what they need to do so I spend a
34:02lot of time working with students
34:04finding their passion and helping them
34:06find the the words and the language to
34:09speak to their families about um about
34:11following their passion versus U
34:14following kind of a path that may end up
34:18not even happening for them because for
34:20some of them becoming a a doctor is is
34:24just not in the scope um other times
34:29it's as easy as just what is a
34:33resume why do I have to have one what's
34:36the benefits of an internship so
34:39sometimes it's very heavy duty
34:41conversations um sometimes students are
34:44in crisis and I have to work with our
34:46Counseling Services um to get them uh to
34:51help them get their needs met um but
34:54most of the time it's you know what what
34:58am I going to do with myself you know
34:59what can what can I do with this major
35:01and you know how can I make money um and
35:04so we have to kind of unpack all of
35:06those things and talk the reasons behind
35:08why um you know why is it why are we so
35:12money focused or different things like
35:14that so it varies I never know I'm
35:18always
35:19surprised yeah it's very interesting it
35:21made me think about when I was trying to
35:23talk to my family about wanting to be in
35:26psychology and they wanted me to go into
35:28math or
35:29engineering because that was what I was
35:31good at um they didn't see me as
35:34somebody who could talk to people so
35:38yeah I I went into theater and my
35:40parents said that I needed a backup and
35:43I should go into education and become a
35:44teacher which is quite funny because now
35:47I work at a university and I teach but
35:49um I had to do what I wanted to do first
35:52and but then I fell into um the love of
35:56Psy pschology and the love of counseling
35:58and the love of career counseling so it
36:01all makes
36:02sense Malia we'll jump back up to you
36:04for this question uh what characteristic
36:07like a knowledge skill or ability
36:09temperament is most important to do your
36:11job well and if you could pick one uh
36:14what's one characteristic that you've
36:16been able to develop or improve during
36:18your
36:20career for sure I definitely want to
36:23quickly answer someone um's question
36:26what is harm reduction so harm reduction
36:28is a theory um that basically is meeting
36:33a client where they're at so a client
36:35client might not be willing to change or
36:37change their um Behavior whether it may
36:40be substance abuse um or use it might be
36:44um like you know self harm whatever that
36:47may be in my you know in my um personal
36:51field it's a lot of like self harm and
36:54eating disorder behaviors and so what we
36:56do is we find ways to um meet the client
37:00where they're at they might not be
37:01willing to change so we give them skills
37:03and tools to help reduce the level of
37:06harm that they might do to themselves an
37:08example might be um if someone is
37:11purging I'll ask them not to brush their
37:13teeth immediately after because that can
37:15erode the enamel within their mouth just
37:18super random but that's something that
37:20we might use um self harm I might use
37:23you know I might ask them to make sure
37:25that they always have um a kit next to
37:27them have some alcohol pads um or
37:31bandages um make sure that their tools
37:33are sterilized etc etc um but going back
37:37into this um this was a really hard
37:40question for me to think about because
37:42there's so much but the thing um the
37:45quality that really for me it boiled
37:48down to is having compassion um both
37:53self-compassion and compassion for my
37:55clients um if I just saw my clients as a
37:59diagnosis I would not be able to do my
38:01job um I have to be able to see them as
38:05human beings going through a human
38:07struggle and to be able to hold that
38:10they have a lot of stuff going on and an
38:14eating disorder doesn't just happen um
38:17you know randomly it's not no one
38:19chooses to have an eating disorder
38:21there's usually trauma involved and so
38:24it's really important for me to be able
38:25to hold space for that um especially in
38:29eating disorder recovery we talk a lot
38:31about the importance of having
38:32self-compassion and saying an eating
38:35disorder cannot
38:36coexist with self-compassion it's super
38:40important to be able to talk to yourself
38:42as you were a friend or um a loved one
38:46and um so I think that's really
38:48important self-compassion also for me
38:51means having a non-judgmental stance so
38:54if someone's going to tell me something
38:55that a lot of times clients will come in
38:57and say like what I'm about to tell you
38:58is really gross or I'm really ashamed or
39:01I feel really icky about this and just
39:03like sitting there and being with them
39:05and being really honest and saying like
39:07you can't shock me I've heard it all um
39:10I'm here for you I'm here to support you
39:12this is your time to take up um my you
39:16know my presence is to be able to hear
39:18you out I want to be able to support you
39:21and if you want you know a skill I can
39:24offer that or I can just be here as a
39:26presence to witness you um so that's
39:29really important for me um
39:31self-compassion is something that I
39:33think um as a baby therapist I really
39:35struggled with I was very type A I was
39:38perfectionistic and I really had to let
39:40that go because when you're working with
39:42the general public like there is things
39:45are going to get messy and complicated
39:47and so for me personally I needed to be
39:49able to say like you know you're going
39:51to mess up sometimes you're not going to
39:53say the right thing like your power's
39:55going to go out in the middle of a
39:56session um or you might sit there later
39:59after a session and think like oh my
40:01gosh I totally forgot to say that so to
40:03be able to say like hey I really you
40:07know like I'm growing I'm a human being
40:09I'm gonna make mistakes and that's okay
40:12and you know my intention is to hold
40:15empathy and I want to wake up every day
40:17and show up for people that you know
40:19might not be able to show up for
40:20themselves are really
40:23important great thank you for that and
40:25thank you for uh touching on the topic
40:29earlier the question about harm
40:31reduction appreciate that uh stac Stacy
40:34um same question for you is what
40:36characteristic is most important to do
40:38your job well and if you could pick one
40:40characteristic could you explain how
40:42maybe you've developed it during your
40:43career
40:46Pursuit absolutely first I want to say
40:48Malia that was fantastic oh my gosh I
40:51love that that was beautiful um we all
40:53need compassion I concur uh for me my
40:58skill um was
41:01listening uh listening is a skill I
41:03didn't realize that um when I work with
41:07students who are interested in
41:08counseling uh a lot of times I ask them
41:11you know you know why do you want to go
41:13into counseling they're like I give
41:14really good advice and I always chuckle
41:17to myself and I say you know it's all
41:21about the listening it's not so much
41:23about the the giving of advice a lot of
41:25times and I actually took a class in my
41:28Master's um when I was in my masters and
41:31it was a skills class and it was on
41:32listening and we had
41:35to do a mock session uh with one of my
41:39uh you know one of our our classmates
41:41and we were recorded and we had to then
41:45watch rewatch the recording with our
41:47class and Reed and receive feedback from
41:51it it was probably the hardest thing
41:52I've ever done because I am so
41:55extroverted
41:57that I just like to talk all the time
42:01and I was required to stop what I was
42:05doing and really focus on what it was
42:08that the person was saying and it
42:10changed
42:11me um in so many different ways and now
42:17I even now though I still work on it
42:19because when students are talking to me
42:21it it triggers a memory or it triggers
42:23something else and I want to say
42:25something but I have to remember that
42:27I'm there to help them um and that I'm
42:32you know I'm there to uh to to to offer
42:37them guidance and support that it's not
42:39about me but F absolutely listening um
42:43and I try to listen to my family more
42:45than I did back in the day and I I
42:50listen as much as I possibly can because
42:53it's it can be in the inflection ction
42:56you know it could be there's a lot of
42:59underlying um information that goes on
43:02when you're that you can pick up while
43:04you're listening and then it you can
43:06have a better deeper conversation with
43:08somebody because you might have picked
43:09up on a tone or an inflection um and you
43:13can question that and that brings up all
43:16a variety of different you know emotions
43:19but also topics from that and they're
43:22Grace you know they're they're happy
43:24that somebody noticed I think so I'm
43:28still working on it though it's still a
43:30skill that I will always work
43:32on thank you for that and I I always am
43:35surprised when I see uh undergrads
43:39resumés and active listening is not
43:41listed as a skill that they've developed
43:43it's such a a typical part of all areas
43:45of psychology and our students
43:48absolutely are definitely developing
43:50that skill so I think it should be on on
43:52some rumes out there um I I'm curious
43:55because you mentioned EXT you're a very
43:57high extrovert um I have a lot of
43:59students uh who who ask if how can they
44:03be in Psychology if they're an introvert
44:05um you know does that play a role in
44:07your your job do you see extroversion as
44:10being pivotal pivotal to your success or
44:13can somebody who's a little bit more
44:15reserved and like more smaller
44:18environments of of people do
44:21well so our office is or small but my
44:27and this is the first time okay 20 years
44:29people you know and I've I've had
44:31different um I was going to call Sam
44:33cast members but they're colleagues see
44:36that theater it gets all mixed up in
44:38there um life is just a big show uh
44:43so this is the first time there's nine
44:46of us in my office and three of us are
44:49extroverts so this is the first time
44:52ever that the introverts have outweighed
44:55the extroverts and as extroverts we have
44:59had to change the way that we do things
45:02um how we approach things with our
45:04introverted colleagues um I think intro
45:07I love introverts I'm I'm I'm mesmerized
45:11by their ability to think and
45:13contemplate and all within their head
45:15and come up with almost like the perfect
45:18response um and giving giving space to
45:21people introverts are fantastic at
45:23giving space because that's what they
45:26need and that's what they want in order
45:28to have that reflection and time to
45:30think about something before responding
45:32to it whereas an extrovert I'm just
45:34going to sit here and process out loud
45:37continually until I finally get to
45:39whatever the point I was making so um I
45:42think counselors can be extroverts and
45:45introverts and I think that each has
45:48things that they need to work on
45:49extroverts need to pull back a little
45:51bit and introverts kind of need to I
45:53always say like intro extroverts need to
45:55to not vert and introverts need to vert
45:58more uh and it's just learning that so I
46:04think everybody you know anybody could
46:06honestly if they have a passion for it
46:08you can be great at whatever you want it
46:11does take time effort and learning and
46:13practice um and some things will come
46:16naturally and some definitely will need
46:19to be learned yeah thank you for that I
46:22I definitely agree with passion plays a
46:24big role in Career Success and U both
46:27introverts and extroverts probably need
46:29to learn how to listen better so
46:32regardless of which which type we are
46:34but thank you for that we we'll stick
46:36with you for this question um Stacy
46:39what's a challenge that you have faced
46:41during your career Pursuit and how did
46:44you address this
46:46challenge so I was wondering about this
46:48question um is this question in regards
46:51to like me as a career s like career
46:56advisor or is this me personally it can
46:59be either I think we people in the
47:02audience would just be interested in
47:05understanding any challenge you might
47:06have faced in your career Pursuit
47:08whether that's Fork life balance or
47:11something only in the
47:13workplace okay
47:15um there's I guess there's two the first
47:18one is
47:21parents um yeah please don't let your
47:25parents go an interview for
47:27you
47:29um just don't do that um and I'm not
47:32kidding I mean it sounds funny but it
47:34happens more often than you think um so
47:38parents uh have have um in my profession
47:43have because I'm guarded by furpa um
47:47which pretty much says that a student
47:50has parents can't have the right to know
47:53what their students are up to um unless
47:55the student gives them permission
47:58um parents can it's unfortunate that
48:02sometimes parents kind of don't want
48:05their students to follow their passion
48:07they want them to follow something that
48:09they're interested in I've already
48:11touched on that and the other thing that
48:13I've come to
48:16um work within or grasp and embrace is
48:20the fact that there was there's really
48:22no upward Mobility for me so that means
48:24moving up in my Prof session I thought a
48:27lot of times about being the director of
48:29our department but it's not uh I don't
48:33want to do the administrative role I
48:35like working with students I like doing
48:37presentations and so I had to come to
48:39terms with the fact
48:41that I just wanted to love what I do and
48:45that people have asked me all the time
48:47like why aren't you doing this and why
48:49aren't you doing that I'm like because I
48:50don't love those things this is what I
48:52love and so staying staying the course
48:54for myself is really important and just
48:57reminding myself of why I do what I do
49:00and part of that is because I love what
49:03I do and I love the students that I work
49:05with
49:06so um great thank you for that and I
49:09really liked how you brought up the
49:11point about uh that upward mobility and
49:14it's really important when you're
49:15looking at a career to think about what
49:18is the career going to look like in five
49:1910 15 years if I'm successful because
49:23many of the people in the audience will
49:24be successful especially if they're
49:26passionate about what they're doing and
49:28it reminded me when I was first started
49:30working I was working for the Air Force
49:32and if I kept doing my job well I would
49:35be promoted out of being a researcher uh
49:38would no longer be uh doing actual
49:41psychology work I'd be more of a manager
49:43I'd be more overseeing policies and that
49:46wasn't what I wanted to do so it
49:49reminded me very much of how I took a
49:51turn in my career
49:52Pursuit I think it's important to know
49:55to define success for yourself and not
49:58necessarily let it be defined for you
50:01like what does success look like um and
50:04that's going to be very different for
50:06different people so um yeah excellent uh
50:11Malia we'll jump back to you what's the
50:13challenge that you faced during your
50:14career Pursuit and how did you address
50:16this
50:18challenge yeah for sure first off I
50:20wanted to say I am an introvert um I am
50:24uh someone like after my day of work I
50:27do not want to talk to anybody I want to
50:29sit in front of my TV and watch reality
50:32TV like I do not I do not want to be
50:35talking to people um I have a small
50:38group of friends I keep that group small
50:40like I so I it's funny like our
50:43different personality um
50:45traits so going into challenges
50:49um this is like kind of something it it
50:52touches on like a question you're going
50:54to ask in a little bit but I feel like
50:56it's really important to talk about um I
50:59wish that someone had told me about how
51:02long it takes to become licensed um it
51:06takes a very long time this process is
51:09very uh labor intensive um like I said I
51:15had to complete 3,000 hours um and a
51:19part of that was going through two major
51:22tests as a licensed marriage and family
51:24therapist you have to take the law and
51:26ethics exam and you have to take a
51:28clinical exam um both of those took me
51:31about like I'm not a great test taker so
51:34I you know I took my time about two to
51:36three months to study for um and that
51:39took a bunch of time out of like seeing
51:41clients and gaining those hours while I
51:44was an intern you know I wasn't paid a
51:47lot and so I had to see a large amount
51:50of clients I had a really heavy case
51:52load um and that was so I could just
51:54like sustain and make a living so that
51:56was something that was really um tricky
51:59the other um kind of challenge in my
52:02career is right now um about a you know
52:05starting last year I started a business
52:07and no one told me how to start a
52:09private practice um I didn't know the
52:12difference between a general you know
52:14Business Partnership and an ESC Corp and
52:16paying taxes and you know quarterly
52:19taxes that was a whole new realm for me
52:22um and so that's been a challenge for
52:24sure I really wish that I had um at
52:28least in grad school or even in
52:29undergrad some sort of idea of like what
52:32having a business might be like and how
52:35to really prepare myself for that
52:37process um that being said you know I'm
52:40I'm really glad that now I kind of can
52:44understand the the different challenges
52:46coming up to that but it's been tricky
52:48it's been a long it's been a long
52:51road yeah I think that's a great point
52:53about being an entrepreneur which you
52:55are and uh many of our students I think
52:59maybe have that thought about starting
53:01their own consulting firm or or business
53:04or being at their own you know having
53:06their own private practice and it does
53:07require those skills and knowledge that
53:11you're probably not going to get an
53:12undergrad you're you maybe could get in
53:14a grad program if you're lucky but a lot
53:16of it comes down to finding mentors or
53:19taking additional online courses or
53:22Community College courses to develop
53:24that um how did you learn how to do the
53:27business side of it Malia did you have a
53:28mentor or just use uh Google University
53:32um Google University um I hired a CPA
53:37because I was like I am not doing taxes
53:39on my own um and a lot of it was like me
53:42and my business partner being like okay
53:44well what do you know what do you know
53:47um and making you know like a giant
53:49Google doc and being like this is what
53:51we know about taxes um which is someone
53:54who like I did not take a business
53:56course so like a lot of it was just like
53:59Googling things calling her CPA and
54:01being like what is q1 and when does it
54:04start and why is it q1 and why are they
54:06not you know perfectly in four months um
54:10all of just like that stuff was was hard
54:13to learn but yeah Google University
54:15Google it all yeah and it sounds like
54:17you had a a great Network to to kind of
54:20rely upon and that's something that I'd
54:22encourage everybody in the audience to
54:24start developing now amongst your peers
54:27fellow psychology students you know
54:29eventually you might be in the same
54:31situation want to ask questions of each
54:33other um Malia we'll stick with you what
54:36are some ethical or moral dilemmas that
54:38you've experienced as a
54:42psychologist well well well this is the
54:45question I'm so excited to answer um
54:48cause this one really uh I feel like is
54:51really important to talk about
54:53especially in my field
54:55um moral and ethical dilemma is seeing
55:00systems fail clients that is always
55:03going to be difficult and I mean like
55:06insurance insurance is a big one so you
55:09know why I said I didn't take insurance
55:12is because when I did work um at the
55:16group practice previously I saw people's
55:18Insurance be cut immediately and they
55:20lost treatment and they no longer were
55:22able to um get support that is really
55:26hard to see happen over and over again
55:29um seeing clients not be able to access
55:32adequate Health Care um which includes
55:35mental health um
55:38Psychiatry um resources around like if
55:41you know if someone does have an eating
55:42disorder dietitians that specialize in
55:45Eating Disorders case managers how um
55:49packed their case loads are some of my
55:51clients are in crisis and they're not
55:53able to see a psychiatrist for three
55:55months and that's through their
55:57insurance so they have to figure out a
55:59way to like find resources that is
56:02really hard um and also quite
56:05disheartening um so I think that part is
56:08really difficult I also want to just say
56:10you know different insurances depending
56:12on therapy um have a really long waiting
56:15list and sometimes folks are in crisis
56:17and they cannot wait that long um that's
56:20also really tricky too you know clients
56:23I have a couple clients I see um pro
56:27bono and that's something that I really
56:29wanted to be able to do because I wanted
56:31clients to be able to have access to
56:33really good
56:35resources um but that being said you
56:37know I've heard a lot of like I don't
56:40want to say horror stories but a bit of
56:42horror stories of like clients you know
56:44not being able to get into their you
56:46know Mental Health Care system when they
56:48were having a severe episode um and
56:51that's really hard to sit with so that's
56:54a system that's very difficult to kind
56:57of reckon with and I also just want to
56:58say you know also seeing clients when
57:01they go to like the doctor especially in
57:04my field um you know having them get
57:07weighed or having their weight be
57:09constantly talked about when they're in
57:10eating disorder recovery having to
57:13practice talking to their doctor about
57:15like I don't want to get weight I don't
57:16want my BMI to be talked about can you
57:19please make sure that weight loss is not
57:21a part of what we talk about um so
57:25seeing kind of those systems come in
57:27place is also disheartening you know
57:28like I'll have a client come in and have
57:30knee pain and it's because they you know
57:32had a knee injury years and years ago
57:34and their doctor will be like well it's
57:36actually because you're overweight and
57:38therefore you should lose weight even
57:40though they have told their doctor
57:41multiple times that they have an active
57:44eating disorder and they are seeing a
57:46treatment team so that's also difficult
57:50um the other part that I wanted to talk
57:52about which actually has to do with
57:54insurance as well is when my clients
57:56have to step up to a level of care so
57:59that means like they're no longer
58:00appropriate to see me at an outpatient
58:02level and they might have to go to
58:04Residential Treatment um sometimes
58:06Insurance just won't cover it and that's
58:09really hard because they need the
58:11support and they can't continue to be at
58:13this level of care um and so you know
58:16that's that's tricky to see clients
58:18really struggle uh with their insurance
58:21that's supposed to be working with them
58:22and getting them care
58:25yeah yeah thank you for that that is uh
58:29sounds like that's a very stressful
58:32thing to deal with on on your end and I
58:34I think there'll be a Q&A question about
58:36that later that we'll we'll come back to
58:39uh Stacy uh what's the what are some
58:41ethical or moral dilemas that you've
58:43experienced as a
58:47psychologist nothing
58:50remotely like Malia I have to say um wow
58:55um I work in higher ad and I work for a
58:59public
59:00institution um and within that I work in
59:03a field that's not well um what's the
59:08word I'm looking
59:10for um honored I guess by The Faculty um
59:16that work within institutions and I
59:18think this is everywhere I it's not just
59:20our institution but Career Services is
59:22probably one of the under most
59:26underutilized uh underrecognized
59:29um offices um within um higher ed within
59:34colleges and universities most
59:36certainly so there is a constant battle
59:40so 20 years I've been here 20 years and
59:42I've been doing this uh work for 20
59:45years and it's only within the past five
59:48years that I and honestly part of
59:51getting my doctorate was to get the fud
59:54after my name or be Dr Stewart so that I
59:57would be at the same level as many of
59:58our faculty members and that changed a
1:00:02lot and um it was
1:00:04just it rubbed me the wrong way that I
1:00:07had to just keep I love that I have a
1:00:11doctorate
1:00:12um I'd probably go get another one if I
1:00:15if my family could handle
1:00:18it I hopefully they didn't hear that um
1:00:24however
1:00:25uh getting that Union card as it was
1:00:29referred to when I was getting my
1:00:31doctorate um was what helped faculty
1:00:34recognize that I had the qualifications
1:00:37to be able to do the work that I
1:00:39do um and now actually I can say the
1:00:43state of Maine um voted on a bond and we
1:00:47actually have a career center building
1:00:49we have an entire building um on our
1:00:52campus that's going to be opening in
1:00:54June and I'm estatic that career is
1:00:58actually in the name of the building and
1:01:00it will hopefully change a lot of things
1:01:02but it has been a really tough road for
1:01:05people to recognize that what we do is
1:01:09important and um and valuable and we
1:01:14have so many students that come back as
1:01:16alums and are like I didn't even know
1:01:18you existed like why didn't I know that
1:01:20you existed um and that is just makes me
1:01:24sad um but we're getting there we're
1:01:27getting there I mean we have our own
1:01:29National Association got a couple of
1:01:31them so you
1:01:33think yeah I think uh universities all
1:01:37throughout um under resource their their
1:01:41Career Centers and or maybe don't even
1:01:43have one they may not even have one when
1:01:47I started our our our Cent career center
1:01:50was
1:01:51um very different from what we are now
1:01:55um and we try we stay on top of what's
1:01:58happening out in the world and change
1:02:01what we need to change but Career
1:02:03Services has come a long way so if you
1:02:06I'm sure you have career services and
1:02:08all of you should take
1:02:11advantage of the
1:02:14services I think you also brought up a a
1:02:16great point about the
1:02:18expectations of degrees or maybe
1:02:21certifications or certain experience in
1:02:23order to get
1:02:25a certain level of respect in a in a
1:02:27field and I think sometimes it's really
1:02:30obvious what you need to have like 3,000
1:02:32hours to get your license but a lot of
1:02:35fields of psychology have these vague
1:02:38expectations or Unwritten
1:02:41rules so to speak and so you kind of
1:02:44have to feel them out and talk to
1:02:46mentors and get a sense of what's going
1:02:48to be expected of you maybe you know as
1:02:51a IO psychologist my background it's
1:02:54certain types of work experience are
1:02:55more important um in other fields you
1:02:58really have to have degrees and
1:03:00certifications or other types of
1:03:02experience to get that kind of
1:03:04credibility but I think that's a great
1:03:05point you brought up and really
1:03:08interesting one we stick with you Stacy
1:03:10for this question of what professional
1:03:12tip would you give your colleged age
1:03:19self you know thought about this lots of
1:03:22different times and I honestly wouldn't
1:03:23change anything um my journey was long
1:03:27but
1:03:28necessary I would um I would tell myself
1:03:32to breathe um and probably read a bit
1:03:36more I didn't really take the time to
1:03:39read everything that I probably could
1:03:41have but yeah I I honest I just I
1:03:45probably give myself a hug more than
1:03:47anything just tell myself to breathe I
1:03:49tell students to breathe all the time
1:03:51because they get so wound up and caught
1:03:53up and concerned and worried about
1:03:54what's going to happen next and part of
1:03:57my job is to help them
1:04:00unwind so that they can figure out what
1:04:02they're going to do next I think we
1:04:04heard about self-compassion a little bit
1:04:05earlier as being an import important
1:04:07yeah de and so breathing is definitely a
1:04:11giving ourselves a break to to kind of
1:04:15right there is a good point so thank you
1:04:16for that yeah Malia how about you what's
1:04:19a professional tip you'd give your
1:04:20college stage
1:04:22self before I answer this am I allowed
1:04:25to cuss I have no filter here for you so
1:04:28it's up to you wonderful um I would say
1:04:31to chill the out um I was like
1:04:33going way too hard I was like taking 18
1:04:37units I was like doing internships
1:04:40naning I was doing way too much um and I
1:04:44really needed to chill out and be and
1:04:46and be reminded that I'm gonna get to
1:04:48where I'm going when I need to um and at
1:04:52my time like I did not need to be doing
1:04:56all of the stuff that I needed to be
1:04:57doing I wish I took more time to travel
1:05:01I wish I took more time to like you know
1:05:03do yoga I don't know do a random pottery
1:05:07class like I needed to be I think I I
1:05:09needed to do that um but I was like just
1:05:12so focused on like going going going and
1:05:16um I thought that like my resume and
1:05:19cover letter needed to be perfect um and
1:05:22I I just want to say like to all
1:05:24students like take your time like you're
1:05:26going to get to where you're going like
1:05:28I promise you there will be a light at
1:05:31the end of the tunnel but like if you're
1:05:33not there yet it is so okay um and
1:05:36you're going to burn yourself out I
1:05:38burned myself out and I like really
1:05:42could have taken some really good time
1:05:44to take care of myself and I didn't um
1:05:47so that's what I really wanted to say
1:05:49chill the
1:05:51out excellent oh my
1:05:55God I think Stacy's also G to be
1:05:58chilling I took a half I absolutely I
1:06:02took a a half a yoga class at San
1:06:06Francisco State and was
1:06:08in basement of the gym and it was like
1:06:11the best thing ever like it just calmed
1:06:14you down and centered you and it was in
1:06:16the dark which made it even better like
1:06:18there are those classes take those
1:06:20classes definitely and to all the
1:06:23students in the audience The Psychology
1:06:26major is designed to not have an
1:06:28excessive number of units and so you
1:06:30have a lot of flexibility to take units
1:06:33outside the major um really explore your
1:06:37interests and maybe maybe not your
1:06:39professional interest maybe it's a
1:06:41theater class or a yoga class that
1:06:42you're just really passionate about so
1:06:45um those were great uh thank you all for
1:06:48you two for going through those
1:06:49questions we had a few questions in the
1:06:51Q&A that we haven't touched on that one
1:06:53of them has to do with just self-care
1:06:56and you know how both of you deal with
1:06:58the stress of whether it's working with
1:07:00clients or um one of you mentioned U
1:07:03being a parent you know what are you
1:07:05doing to manage your your lives and make
1:07:08sure you take care of your personal
1:07:10health um any tips that you might
1:07:13have I'll open it up to either of you I
1:07:17have a
1:07:20therapist and I've had the same
1:07:22therapist for
1:07:2512 years now but before that I've had
1:07:28therapists I lived in New York I had a
1:07:30therapist there I when I moved back to
1:07:32Maine I found a therapist um I strongly
1:07:35believe in having a sounding board who
1:07:37is not a family member I there's certain
1:07:40things that I just want to be able to
1:07:42talk about whether it's my work or
1:07:44whether it's family or whatnot but I
1:07:46need somebody outside of my unit in
1:07:49order to do that to decompress and so I
1:07:52still see her every two
1:07:55weeks and I love her and um it's evolved
1:07:59we're probably closer to being friends
1:08:00which is proba not the you know it's not
1:08:03the best thing but um when you've been
1:08:05with somebody for so long in a
1:08:08therapy relationship it changes over
1:08:11time but definitely if you're going to
1:08:13be a counselor you need your own
1:08:17therapist excellent thank you Malia any
1:08:19thoughts on self-care and self-help yeah
1:08:23um for sure get a therapist like we we
1:08:26need it I too have a therapist love
1:08:28Shannon uh seen her for five years I see
1:08:31her weekly so important to do your own
1:08:34work um I have a pretty active like um
1:08:38life outside of being a therapist so you
1:08:41know I really enjoy um I'm a I'm a
1:08:44crafty person I really love to craft I
1:08:46enjoy crocheting and painting um I do
1:08:50some knitting and
1:08:52embroidery I like to go through thrift
1:08:54store shopping um I hang out with my
1:08:56friends quite a bit I have two cats uh
1:08:59one dog and my partner so hanging out um
1:09:03I also like to do traveling trips um I
1:09:06have another friend that's a therapist
1:09:07and is in private practice and sometimes
1:09:09we'll get out of town we just went to
1:09:12Savannah Georgia and did a bunch of
1:09:14ghost hunting stuff um I like to go to
1:09:17music
1:09:18festivals um so yeah I try to plan a lot
1:09:22outside of my work
1:09:24um I also think it's important to like
1:09:26you know do some movement whether it be
1:09:28like in yoga um I love that someone
1:09:31definitely talked about that um I also
1:09:34um yeah really enjoy doing some like
1:09:38meditation some light meditation I'm
1:09:41trying to do everything to like cool my
1:09:44nervous
1:09:46system yeah it sounds like your job has
1:09:49a lot of flexibility in when you work so
1:09:52you're able to kind of work it around
1:09:53those types of hobbies and personal
1:09:55interests is that right yeah definitely
1:09:58and someone had asked if I worked online
1:10:00I do I do um only virtual therapy right
1:10:03now and that started during the pandemic
1:10:06um and I think uh well I know for a lot
1:10:09of my clients um who have chronic health
1:10:12issues um being able to see someone
1:10:14virtually is a lot more accessible also
1:10:17I'm able to see anyone in the state of
1:10:19California so that's also pretty helpful
1:10:22too excellent
1:10:25uh I have a one final question for you
1:10:28both is where do you see your career
1:10:30Journey going next if we check in with
1:10:32you in five or 10 years where might you
1:10:38be Stacy how about you where can we see
1:10:41your career Journey going same
1:10:43University all the way oh probably yeah
1:10:47I'm I just yeah I love I love where I
1:10:50work um we have a lot of first
1:10:51generation students and just we have a
1:10:55lovely broad demographic and I love them
1:10:59all I think I'm definitely a lifer um
1:11:03for what I'm doing and eventually retire
1:11:06and maybe try
1:11:08something else eventually I guess I've
1:11:12never it's funny I when it comes to
1:11:14Myers Briggs I'm a definite planner I'm
1:11:16a Jay through and through um however
1:11:20when it comes to my life not not planned
1:11:23I just kind of roll with it and see
1:11:25where it takes me so my husband wants to
1:11:26move to St Croy so he thought I could
1:11:29work at the University of St Croy in
1:11:31their career
1:11:32center was like we're moving to St Croy
1:11:35I'm I'm not working at anything I'm
1:11:38lying on a beach somewhere but we'll see
1:11:40I have no idea I honestly
1:11:43don't Malia how about you what where are
1:11:46you going to be headed in your career
1:11:48Journey for sure um you know I I wanted
1:11:53say so there's a couple things um I was
1:11:56thinking about teaching I actually was
1:11:58offered um a professorship but I ended
1:12:00up turning it down because I wanted to
1:12:02grow my private practice and be more
1:12:04connected to that so um hopefully I'll
1:12:07be teaching um I also want to be doing
1:12:09some fun groups um eating disorder
1:12:12groups like doing like a gardening group
1:12:16um maybe doing like an art Therapy Group
1:12:19um I do want to get uh certified in EMDR
1:12:23um which is ey movement rapid Des
1:12:26desensitization I can't ever say that
1:12:28word and I always flip the things um
1:12:31letters uh so I would like to get um
1:12:34certified in that I definitely want to
1:12:36do some more art therapy I think that's
1:12:39so cool um but yeah definitely doing
1:12:42Private Practice I always said I wanted
1:12:44to go back to my high school and be a
1:12:46therapist there um I went to an all
1:12:48girls catholic girl all girls catholic
1:12:51school um so that was something that I
1:12:53also wanted to do but unfortunately my
1:12:56high school's closing down H so I don't
1:12:59know maybe go going to another all girl
1:13:02school who knows excellent well thank
1:13:05you both for for joining uh us tonight
1:13:08if you're in the audience send some
1:13:10gratitude to our panelists they're
1:13:13volunteering their time some on the East
1:13:14Coast time some here in California and
1:13:17the weather is affecting all of us so um
1:13:20really grateful to have both of you
1:13:22learn a little bit more about your
1:13:23career Journeys and hopefully we can
1:13:26check back in in a couple years and see
1:13:28where you're at and do another panel and
1:13:30have a lot of fun that
1:13:32way but have a good rest of your night
1:13:35everyone uh and have a good night Stacy
1:13:38good night Malia uh stay safe out there
1:13:41everyone
1:13:44thanks thank you