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0:00No , no .

0:01Ready .

0:05Let's wait a minute for all the

0:06students who are joining to connect . We

0:09are ... Alright , professor , we have

0:41almost 400 people , so the number is

0:44rising fast . Good afternoon . We want to

0:48welcome you to the second course of

0:50this diploma program , which is the

0:51Leadership and Change Management course

0:53. We are joined by Professor Pamela

0:56Estudillo . Professor , good afternoon .

0:58She is ...

0:59Good afternoon .

1:01A social communicator , human resources

1:03specialist , consultant in

1:05communications and cultural

1:06transformation , and university

1:08professor in Chile and abroad , so she

1:11has vast experience in this area .

1:14Unfortunately , this class is short for

1:16everything it covers , but we will try

1:19to make the most of it . Professor , I

1:21leave you with your students . Have a

1:23good afternoon .

1:23Thank you very much .

1:25I will be connected if you need

1:26anything . You might not see me , but I

1:28will be paying attention . Okay .

1:29Very well . Thank you , I appreciate it .

1:33Well , good afternoon everyone , and

1:35given the time , let's begin . This class

1:44is designed so that you will be able to

1:46ask questions every time we finish one

1:48of the points I have laid out , which I

1:50think is essential for facing any

1:51project or management . Right . Or the

1:59management of any project . The first

2:01thing I will say is the following .

2:05Please , pay attention . Human beings

2:08have a body , right ? That is here . If I

2:13grab this marker , a body , and we have

2:15the capacity to think because we live

2:17in language . So , it may be that my body

2:24is here and my thoughts go for a walk ,

2:26thinking , " Hey , finally , what are we

2:28going to do on the 18th ? And who is

2:34going to buy the meat ? And how are we

2:36going to organize ourselves ? And will

2:38we have to go to so-and-so's house ? " We

2:41lose our focus . We lose our focus . Why ?

2:45Because we are human beings . Because we

2:48have a developed brain mass , a

2:50developed prefrontal cortex . For this

2:55reason , I always ask at the beginning

2:57of every class that we focus our

2:59attention and be present in the class .

3:05Despite that , despite that , it may be

3:07that we lose our focus . Why ? Because we

3:13are human beings , and as human beings ,

3:15it can happen that we think about

3:16things that haven't happened yet or

3:18remember things that already happened .

3:26In fact , in fact , that is why human

3:28beings can teach classes through a

3:30computer , and it is also why human

3:32beings have universities ; this does not

3:34happen to ants , nor does it happen to

3:36zebras or lions . Which is why we are

3:46welcoming Geraldín Poblete , Rocío

3:48Bravo Mena , uh , María Rivas , and

3:50everyone else ; please let us know if

3:52anyone gets too lost so we can go back

3:54and repeat . Welcome , Germán Inostrosa ,

4:00to this class as well . I have a

4:04question that , if you could please

4:05answer it in the chat , that would be

4:07ideal . What is fundamental for carrying

4:10out a project ? You may answer . Hello ,

4:14Edit . Good afternoon . Hello , Cristian .

4:18Planning is the main thing , someone

4:20says , having an objective . Ideas , look ,

4:24time , will . Perfect . We will stick with

4:29those questions , with those answers .

4:31Discipline , right ? All of that is true ,

4:35but what is fundamental , truly

4:37fundamental for carrying out a project ,

4:39for having ideas , uh , for having a

4:48clear objective , uh , we have to have ,

4:50uh , or to have people , we have to have ,

4:52uh , the ability to relate to one

4:54another . And what makes a system a

5:02system is the relationship that people

5:03have with each other . Right , so the

5:10first thing we must know , by virtue of

5:12this , is to see how people relate . If I

5:18want to do a project , I need , for

5:20example , as you were saying , capital , I

5:22need ideas . And to have all that , I

5:27need to know how it is that people

5:28relate to each other . So , we have to

5:34know how the human being operates and

5:36what a human being is , right ? What is a

5:40system ? Uh , which is the place where

5:43human beings inhabit . What are the

5:46systemic laws ? That is to say , how do

5:49systems regularly operate ? The

5:56difference between transformation and

5:57change , the way people learn , which is

5:59different from how machines learn , and

6:01how human beings communicate , which is

6:03different from how machines communicate

6:05. Very well , so let's begin . A human

6:14being deals with other human beings .

6:20There cannot be a project without human

6:22beings , even if only to observe .

6:27Nowadays , with artificial intelligence ,

6:29we can say that a project cannot happen

6:31unless there is a human observing or

6:33being a part of it , because , uh , the

6:34system can also be composed of machines

6:36, right ? But the fundamental thing is

6:41to know how the human being operates

6:43and what we are dealing with . The human

6:47being is a social mammal that operates

6:48in language . And this is no small thing

6:55, because when I say it is a social

6:57mammal that operates in language , we

6:59are talking about biological organisms

7:01that live in language . In other words ,

7:08for us , language is the same as water

7:10is for fish . Are you following this

7:14idea ? If someone says yes , thumbs up .

7:18I'm good , good . Thanks , Rodrigo . Very

7:21well . So , notice what this human being

7:25is like . Thanks , Óscar , Janette , Luz ,

7:28a million thanks for being there . So ,

7:32let's see how this human being is

7:34constituted , right ? We see that this

7:47human being is first constituted by

7:49protons , electrons , neutrons , which in

7:51turn constitute atoms , which in turn

7:53constitute cells , which in turn

7:55constitute systems , tissues , and which

7:57in turn constitute systems like the

7:59skeletal muscle or the , uh , circulatory

8:02system , uh , right , the , uh , respiratory

8:04system , etcetera , the digestive system ,

8:06which in turn are systems that

8:08communicate with other systems that

8:10generate the human organism as a system

8:12. Interesting . What is a system ? It is

8:29two or more parts that relate to each

8:30other and that in turn generate another

8:32system . And the human being is a system

8:39that generates a social system . Right

8:44here in this minute , we have generated

8:45a social system . Good afternoon ,

8:48Paulina , welcome . Verónica too . Good

8:52afternoon . So , we have a human being

8:59that is a biological system that

9:01constitutes social systems , and what a

9:03system is , is two or more elements that

9:05interrelate with each other , and when

9:07one moves , does , or stops doing

9:09something , it affects all the other

9:11parts of the system . Very well . So ,

9:21notice if we have here at time one , pay

9:23attention , an organism , we have that

9:30each organism is constituted and we

9:32observe it with its context . We are not

9:38organisms separated from the context

9:40that makes it possible for our life to

9:41be our life . It is us and our context ,

9:46the one that inhabits it . Well , so

9:50notice how it operates . We have the

9:55organism , and the organism does things ,

9:57and those things modify the context ,

9:59and the context in turn modifies the

10:01organism . And if we have a time two ,

10:06then let's see . Forgive me for looking

10:10at you here , the screen went away on me

10:11. We have an organism at time two ,

10:15right ? Where now a little bean appears

10:19that is modifying the context , and the

10:21context that is modifying the organism .

10:26And look at how we are at time three .

10:30The organism modifies the context and

10:32the context modifies the organism . But

10:36let's give an example to talk about

10:38this , because when we speak of an

10:39organism , we speak of the human being .

10:44The human being does things that modify

10:46the context that makes their life

10:47possible . And this modification of the

10:52context in turn modifies the organism .

10:56Let's see an example . The human being

11:01with this developed prefrontal cortex

11:03invents a machine , and this machine

11:05allows them to move from one place to

11:07another . Now , the car is part of the

11:13context , and since the car is part of

11:15the context , the human being can gain

11:17weight because they don't burn calories

11:19. Are you following me ? So it's a back

11:25and forth all the time , the organism

11:27and the context . So , something we must

11:34understand to manage people is to

11:36understand how people operate ; people

11:38modify the context they inhabit , and

11:40the context they inhabit also modifies

11:42the people . Blast tells me , " Okay ,

11:49Olivia , hello . " Are you following me so

11:53far ? A thumbs up . Okay . Thanks , Gustavo

11:57. So , let's go with these ideas . So ,

12:04here we have the organism and here we

12:06have the context . I will give other

12:11examples to explain the depth of what

12:12it means to understand this structural

12:14coupling between the organism and the

12:16context . Yes . Uh , imagine a little bean

12:22. Do you remember when we were kids and

12:25they sent us to do the experiment where

12:27we had to put it on blotting paper , put

12:29it in a bit of damp cotton , or put it

12:31in the soil ? Well , that little bean

12:38grew depending on the characteristics

12:40of the context : water , light , humidity ,

12:43shade , sun , soil nutrients . And we also

12:49have to look at the context for what is

12:51not there . A hungry little worm didn't

12:57pass by , a bird wanting to take a

12:59little bean gift to its fiancée didn't

13:01pass by . So we realize , uh , right , that

13:09the context makes it possible for that

13:11bean to grow , but that bean begins to

13:12grow and the leaves begin to generate

13:14shade and increase the humidity . In

13:20fact , those leaves are so appetizing

13:22that they also begin to attract an army

13:24of ants . Notice how the bean's activity

13:28modifies the context that makes the

13:30bean's existence possible . This is

13:36super important because when we see

13:38that a person arrives at a project or

13:39arrives at a company , we understand

13:41that that person has to adapt to this

13:43company . However , as that person lets

13:50themselves be transformed by the

13:51context , they also go on to transform

13:53the context they are part of . Do you

13:59realize the density of this reflection ?

14:06An organization does not remain

14:07unscathed when a new human being

14:09arrives , and that human being does not

14:10remain unscathed by the context they

14:12are entering either . Very well . Now ,

14:21where is that which makes a human a

14:23human being ? The human is right here in

14:28the middle , in the connection between

14:30the biological and the cultural . It is

14:34in the way we relate to one another as

14:36human beings . That is where the human

14:40is . In fact , when we say that something

14:43is inhumane , what we are pointing out

14:45is a relationship that does not seem

14:47fair to us , that does not seem

14:49characteristic of our species . Right ,

14:53so let's look at a few points here .

14:59First , it is advisable for every leader

15:01participating in a change management

15:03process to know and understand how the

15:05human being operates . And the human

15:10being does not operate alone ; they

15:12operate with their context . In light of

15:16this , I ask for questions . I will

15:18answer the first one I see . What

15:20questions are there ? So far . I'll wait

15:26for you guys , because the more

15:27questions we have here , the more

15:29entertaining the class is , but I will

15:31answer one question per point . Good

15:33afternoon , Alfonso . Good afternoon ,

15:39Barbara . How can one limit the context

15:42space in a professional way ? Daniela

15:48asks me . Let's see , Daniela , I want to

15:52see what question lies behind that

15:53question . How can — and so I ask , why

15:58would we want to limit the space ? I am

16:04sticking with that question now to

16:05answer one per point . Oh , the question

16:09got away from me . Hmm . Ah , ah , ah , ah ,

16:17ah , ah , ah . Ah , ah , ah , ah , it got away

16:21from me . How to lead a team where there

16:24isn't a good work environment ? Look ,

16:27here it is . How can one limit the

16:31context space in a professional way ?

16:34Why would we want to limit the context

16:36space ? That would be my question in

16:41return . I am going to take the next one

16:43that appeared . How to lead a team where

16:46there isn't a good work environment ? So

16:51, the question would be , what is it

16:53that makes a work environment not good ,

16:55right ? And we realize that what makes a

17:01work environment not good is precisely

17:03the relationship , this part right here ,

17:05the relationship between the human

17:07being and their context . So , how could

17:14we go about leading a context that is

17:16not healthy in this case ? By generating

17:22actions that are healthy for relating

17:24to one another . What could a healthy

17:29relationship look like ? Let's look at

17:32the second point . I think the answer is

17:35here . We are systems that inhabit

17:39systems . The human being is a

17:42biological system that inhabits a

17:44social system . What happens in the

17:49biological system affects the social

17:50system and vice versa . I am saying this

17:56, affects , not determines . I saw a

18:00question asking if this is general

18:02systems theory . Yes . And , and

18:07homeostasis , not necessarily . Right , I

18:11owe Luis Aranda that answer . Not

18:15necessarily . So , what happens in the

18:19biological system affects the social

18:21system and vice versa . I am saying

18:24affects , I am not saying it determines .

18:28Yes . That is to say , the context does

18:32not determine the human being that

18:33inhabits it , but it does affect them .

18:38This phenomenon is never linear . So , I

18:44may have an organization , a company I

18:46want to lead , that has a very bad work

18:49environment , a work environment with

18:51very high psychosocial risks . And there

18:58are people who , in that context , will

19:00be able to function , right ?, with an

19:02average performance , while there are

19:04others who not so much . It does not

19:10depend entirely on the context , it

19:12depends on the context and also depends

19:14on the structure of the human being ,

19:16that is , it depends on the context and

19:18also depends on their makeup , their

19:20structure , their size , their lineage .

19:24Right , I am going to take a note of

19:29this . Okay . So , operating , the

19:43fundamental operation of systems is two

19:45or more elements related to each other ,

19:47where what one does affects all the

19:48others in a direct or indirect way . And

19:55it is super important for a leader to

19:57be clear about this , because everything

19:59a leader does , or fails to do , affects

20:01the whole system . But , at the same time

20:08, the leader has to be aware of the

20:09behavior of all the people on their

20:11team , because everyone who is part of

20:13their team , what they do or fail to do ,

20:15affects the entire rest of the system .

20:21And why is it so important to look at

20:23this ? Because the way we conduct

20:28ourselves is the way we relate to

20:30others , and from the way I relate to

20:31others , the results emerge . Right , and

20:37this is fundamental . Let's see how

20:43systems operate . I have brought to this

20:46class a system that is boring , highly

20:48dull . Why ? Because it is a non-living

20:53and non-dynamic system , which is the

20:55table system . Let's imagine that this

20:59is a table and there is a tabletop and

21:01the table has its four legs . Notice how

21:06the leg relates to the tabletop . That

21:13is , the legs have to be more or less in

21:15the corner of each of the corners of

21:16the tabletop for it to be a table . If

21:23this relationship isn't like that and

21:25the legs , for example , are placed

21:27around the board , we aren't going to

21:28have a table . Or if one of the legs or

21:33two of them are placed on top of the

21:35table , we aren't going to have a table

21:36either . What makes the table a table is

21:44how the parts of the table relate , that

21:45is , how the legs are placed under the

21:47board , which is what makes the table a

21:49table . Very well . So , we have two

22:01things regarding systems . I'm going to

22:04go back here . One is the structure .

22:07What is the system's structure ? The

22:10structure of the system is the parts of

22:15the system and the organization . What

22:20is the system's organization ? The way

22:23the parts of the system relate to each

22:25other . Yes . Very well . Therefore , it is

22:36advisable that every leader

22:38participating in a management process

22:39has a systemic vision and understands

22:41how systems operate . Regarding this

22:48point about systems , what questions do

22:50you have ? Good afternoon , Héctor

22:55Acevedo . In fact , it's like a pyramid

22:57in the end . Whoever holds power or

23:01leadership must always be someone

23:03willing to modify this organizational

23:05structure . Well , that may be , yes , but

23:10the most important thing about the

23:12system is not its structure , but its

23:14organization . Well , it says , " Human

23:18beings depend on the environment and at

23:20the same time their actions affect the

23:22environment . The leader influences that

23:25system through their decisions and

23:27relationships with people . " That's

23:30right , Janette , that's right . But look ,

23:36the leader can do it , or anyone who is

23:38part of the system can do it . Let's

23:43look at the last one that says , " What

23:45are the most relevant factors in the

23:46organization for change management ? "

23:51Well , if the organization , right ? is

23:55the way the parts of the system relate

23:57to each other . The fundamental thing is

24:03how they converse and the results those

24:05conversations bring for the management

24:06we are carrying out . Good afternoon ,

24:12Cristina here . We bid you good

24:14afternoon and let's move on to the

24:16third point . Thank you very much for

24:18your questions . Let's go to the third

24:22point . Sorry , sorry . And for the third

24:26point , we are going to look at some

24:28systemic laws . Right , some systemic

24:32laws that are important . The first

24:37thing I want us to be clear about is

24:38that a systemic law is not a law that

24:40forces the system to operate in that

24:42way . When we talk about systemic laws ,

24:46we are talking about regularities of

24:48living . In other words , we are talking

24:54about the way systems operate ; we are

24:56not talking about how they should

24:57operate , but the way systems regularly

24:59operate . If we have this knowledge as

25:05leaders , we have a greater advantage

25:07over other people who do not know how

25:09systems operate . Right , so the first

25:16systemic law I am going to share —

25:18there are 68 systemic laws and many ,

25:20many more metasystemic laws . Right . Uh ,

25:27but for now , let’s look at some that

25:29are the most powerful , right ? Uh , for a

25:34leader who is managing , uh , any change

25:37or the building of any team . The first

25:43systemic law says , " Everything

25:44transforms around what is conserved . "

25:48Look , look at how potent and powerful

25:50that is . Why is it powerful ? Because

25:55when we talk about change management ,

25:57we overvalue everything that changes .

26:04And this systemic law sheds light for

26:05us and tells us that all transformation

26:07occurs around what is conserved . That

26:12is to say , it is telling us , in a few

26:14words , that we are conservative beings .

26:18Take the car system , for example .

26:21I’ll go with a system , a system a bit

26:23more entertaining than the table system

26:25. Now , we are going to answer this

26:28question from Mónica , which I’ll

26:29grab right out of the air . She says , "

26:32Are we prepared for change ? " " A very

26:37interesting question , because as human

26:39beings , we are conservative ; we like

26:41the regularity of living much more than

26:43change . " That is why human beings by

26:49nature resist change . It is a bit of

26:52what Maturana said . That is right . That

26:55is right . It is a bit of what Maturana

26:58said , who was , by the way , my professor

27:01. So , if we have a car system , right ,

27:08taking the first car — let's look at it

27:10this way — the first car , one of those

27:12first Fords , right , that appeared , and

27:15the latest car , the Tesla , uh , this

27:17model that isn't very pretty , uh ,

27:19everything transforms around what is

27:21conserved . Notice how we move from this

27:28old car to this car , right ? Super

27:35hyper-modern , but what makes the car a

27:38car is what is conserved , meaning it

27:40has four tires , meaning it needs fuel ,

27:42even if one uses gasoline and the other

27:44is plugged in . That both have an engine

27:51, that both have a seat for a driver

27:53and a co-pilot . And that is what makes

27:57a car a car . I will give you another

28:01example , right , an example . Look ,

28:07exactly , there are things that — well ,

28:09it got lost there because the questions

28:12go by at full speed , but someone says ,

28:14" Ah , so what changes is the structure . "

28:20Yes , the structure changes , but also ,

28:22upon changing the structure , very

28:24importantly , the way the parts relate

28:26to each other changes . Right , watch out

28:30for that . Very , very interesting

28:33question . Thank you very much . Thank

28:35you very much . What is conserved can be

28:40the structure , but it can also be the

28:42way the parts relate , that is , the

28:44organization . Okay , so let's continue .

28:52There is another very interesting

28:53systemic law , and this is a

28:55metasystemic law . Actually , it is a law

29:00that applies to the nervous system

29:02which says that we do not distinguish

29:04between illusion and perception , that

29:06human beings — ourselves and the human

29:08beings we work with — do not

29:09distinguish between illusion and

29:11perception . That is to say , when they

29:17perceive what they perceive , they take

29:19it as true , they take it for granted .

29:24That is , if I perceive that this chair

29:26is solid , I feel calm because I know it

29:29is solid , right ? And when I perceive

29:33that it is solid , I take it for granted

29:35that it is solid and I sit down .

29:38However , it may be that at that very

29:40instant , the chair falls out from under

29:42me . I am going to tell you a very short

29:46story that makes , uh ... Here is a

29:52question , sorry , hierarchy , order , and

29:55balance between giving and receiving is

29:57an absence of personal analysis . Mm , I

30:01got lost with those questions . Well ,

30:04what happens to us on a personal level

30:06— let me see if I can find it here in

30:08what Barbara says — influences our

30:10environment , and at the same time , what

30:12happens in our environment influences

30:14us . That's right , that was the first

30:16point . Well , I'll go with the story

30:20that can explain why human beings do

30:21not distinguish between illusion and

30:23perception . I was in Buenos Aires

30:29because I had been invited to teach a

30:31class , and the class had gone very well

30:33, and at the end of the class , they

30:35invited me , right , to go share a meal ,

30:37have dinner , eat a steak , I don't know .

30:43And I was walking happily along

30:44Córdoba Street , which goes uphill ,

30:46leaving the river behind you . I am

30:51walking up Córdoba Street and I see

30:53the moon , round as a cheese . So I go

30:59and take a picture with the moon and I

31:01post it on Instagram , right ? I make an

31:07Instagram post , " Thanks to life , for

31:09giving me so much , Buenos Aires , good

31:12experiences , the full moon , et cetera . "

31:17However , I walk two more blocks . and I

31:24see it's not the moon , I realize it's

31:26the Sheraton logo . And this is real , uh

31:32, because if you go to Buenos Aires ,

31:34you go on Córdoba , on Córdoba Street ,

31:36you see that the Sheraton logo is ,

31:38right ?, placed on a wall that sticks out

31:40a bit onto the sidewalk and people

31:41mistake it . But I show you this because

31:50we often take for granted that what we

31:52perceive is real . However , however , we

32:01realize a little later that what we

32:03were experiencing wasn't real , that

32:05what we perceived was an illusion . That

32:13is how human beings make mistakes . And

32:18knowing why we human beings make

32:20mistakes is fundamental to leading

32:22others , because we take what we

32:23perceive as true . So , asking the other

32:29person things like , for example , what

32:31is this project about ? Tell me how you

32:35are seeing it , how the area is

32:36operating , or how the organization is

32:38operating . It's not a silly question ,

32:44it's a deep question that assumes that

32:45everyone perceives what they perceive

32:47and that when we perceive , we don't

32:49distinguish between illusion and

32:50perception . Well , welcome Constanza

32:56Jaramillo and Leilann Barrera who are

32:58also here . Very kind . Let's continue

33:04then . Next systemic law . Exactly ,

33:09Natalie . Ask so as not to assume ,

33:14because everyone perceives things

33:15differently and as long as we don't

33:17distinguish illusion from perception ,

33:19we could be taking a picture with the

33:21Sheraton logo . Next systemic law . The

33:28observer modifies the observed . What

33:32does this mean ? That if you are

33:41observing how your team operates , the

33:42moment you observe it , the team will

33:44operate in a certain way , and that ,

33:46depending on where you place yourself ,

33:47you will observe the system you have or

33:49the team you have differently , which in

33:51this case would be the same thing . Well

34:04, so when we talk about the observer

34:05modifying the observed , we are talking

34:07about something very powerful , that if

34:09I pay attention to the system and the

34:11parts that make up the system , just by

34:13paying attention to it , that system is

34:15modified . Well , let me give you an

34:23example . Imagine you are watching your

34:27grandma cook and suddenly your grandma

34:29turns around and says , " What's wrong ?

34:32Why are you looking at me ? " Notice how

34:37your grandma has undergone a change

34:39based on your observation . Good . And

34:44this must be taken into account because

34:46when you observe , you pay attention ,

34:48you modify the system . How it's going

34:53to be modified , we don't know , we have

34:55to be observers to see how it is

34:56modified . Well , every systemic unit is

35:03determined by its structure . Someone

35:07there was talking to me about structure

35:08. Structure is the limit and the

35:12repertoire of possibilities , as much

35:14for the social structure of a company

35:16as the biological structure of a human

35:18being . Everything you can do is limited

35:25by and opens up all your possibilities .

35:29It is based on your structure . So , what

35:32do I mean by this ? That it is very

35:37difficult for the same amount of tasks

35:39that a 10 - person structure placed in

35:41this pyramid does , as was said earlier ,

35:43further back , questions from earlier ,

35:45uh , can be done by this structure ,

35:51right ? But now you have to do three

35:55times as much , so you would have to

35:57change the structure or you would have

35:59to change the organization for that to

36:00be possible . There is a recurring

36:07mistake where large consulting firms

36:09come to a company and try to do much

36:10more with the same structure and the

36:12same organization . To make changes , you

36:17have to change the structure or change

36:22the structure and the organization .

36:25Right . Or change the organization , or

36:28change both the organization and the

36:29structure . Right , I’m going to stop

36:33here . It says , " How can we make changes

36:37to structures as rigid as those of

36:38public officials ? " Very well . That of

36:44officials , if we have leaders we might

36:46differ with on certain topics or points

36:48and they don’t take what was

36:49discussed into consideration , but

36:51rather why you questioned their way of

36:53seeing things . Hm , right . It is a

36:59complex question ; it has several facets

37:01, right ? But , uh , when we speak of

37:08rigid structures , uh , we speak of

37:09structures that have a lot of stability

37:11over time , and when we want to generate

37:13changes , it is very difficult for us

37:15because we have become accustomed to

37:17the regularity with which this system

37:19operates . So , perhaps we encounter ways

37:29of conversing like the following — see

37:31if it makes sense to you — like ways of

37:33conversing that say , for example , "

37:35things have always been done this way

37:37here , " as if the system itself were not

37:39dynamic and there were no possibilities

37:41of making changes . Every system is

37:50capable of being changed , as it is

37:52dynamic because it is made up of human

37:54beings who are alive . Right , it is

38:02advisable . So , point three , point three

38:08, it is advisable then that every

38:10leader know these three systemic laws

38:12that we have considered for this class .

38:21Looking at what is preserved is much

38:23more important than focusing on that

38:25which we want to transform . I am going

38:29to give you another example , the

38:31example of a couple . You have your

38:35partner and you would like your partner

38:36to be , uh , more athletic , right ? Or

38:40athletic . So , that they would exercise .

38:45Uh , you'd also like your partner to

38:47learn how to make some nice salads , uh ,

38:49because they almost always cook stew

38:51and charquican , and you'd like them to

38:53make a nice salad . You'd also like your

38:57partner to take you to the movies ,

38:59right ? And not just take you to the

39:02living room to watch a movie on Netflix

39:03. So you start focusing on everything

39:08you want your partner to change . But

39:12this is super important , and notice

39:14that we see it clearly in the partner

39:16example : see what it is you want to

39:17preserve about your partner , because

39:19otherwise , you have to change partners .

39:24And if you start telling your partner ,

39:26right ? that part of that system ,

39:32everything that has to change and not

39:34what you want to preserve , there will

39:36be a constriction in the system and the

39:38relationship will change ; it will

39:39become less pleasant , less healthy , et

39:41cetera . And this tends to happen , and

39:49it is also a very frequent mistake that

39:51we arrive and state everything we want

39:53to change , change , change , change , and

39:55in that attempt , the system becomes

39:57constricted — what is it we want to

39:59preserve ? And perhaps that is why there

40:07is so much resistance to change in

40:08sectors like the public sector , because

40:10a lot of consulting arrives focusing on

40:12everything we want to change and not on

40:14what we want to see preserved . Well ,

40:20understanding that we don't distinguish

40:22between illusion and perception is the

40:24second systemic law . Understanding ,

40:28grasping that the observer modifies

40:30what is observed and knowing that we do

40:32everything our structure allows . That

40:40is to say , even if I try and put in the

40:42greatest effort to be a ballet dancer

40:44or an astronaut , I won't be able to do

40:46it because my structure has limitations

40:48. For example , I'm not the right age to

40:56be an astronaut , or I don't have the

40:58flexibility , right ? to be a dancer , or

41:03I don't have the height to be a dancer ,

41:05or I don't have the build to be a sumo

41:07wrestler . Right , so I am limited by my

41:15structure , just as a company is limited

41:17because it has too few workers , for

41:19example , or it has many workers and no

41:21supervisor , or it has only 10

41:23supervisors and just one worker . In

41:31other words , structure in some way

41:32allows us to do things , but it also

41:34limits us from doing others . These are

41:42the systemic laws that I consider you

41:44as leaders can , uh , should have on hand

41:45, right ? That it would be good for you

41:50to have on hand . Questions about this .

41:53Hey , the questions are coming in at

41:55full speed . Excuse me , I'm grabbing a

41:58few and jotting them down because

42:00they're very good , but I'll continue

42:01here . He says , " Taking the couple as an

42:04example , " says Luis . Good afternoon ,

42:06Luis . Uh , let's take this example , the

42:11most ideal thing for a rigid structure

42:13is simply to change the organization

42:15instead of trying to change the whole

42:16scheme , right ? When we want to change

42:21the structure , we have to change the

42:23parts of the system . For example , I

42:26have a structure , you can imagine an

42:28organizational chart , right ? And in

42:30this organizational chart there are

42:32three management departments , okay ?

42:36Within the operations management , there

42:38are three departments : one is the

42:39maintenance department , another is the ,

42:41uh , cleaning department , and another is

42:43the construction department . And under

42:49that , there are so many workers in each

42:51of the areas . So , when I speak of

42:55structure , I'm talking about that

42:57structure where they say , " No , now

42:59instead of having three managers , we

43:01are going to have three managers , and

43:03under those three managers , we are

43:04going to have two supervisors , one for

43:06each shift , you see ? " And that is where

43:10the structure changes , and that new

43:12structure gives me new possibilities .

43:14Good afternoon , professor . From what I

43:17see and understand , let's see , let's

43:19see , let's see . In this class , it is

43:22implied that leading is aimed at

43:24companies and / or organizations . But how

43:27do you apply it to the armed forces ?

43:34The armed forces is an organization ,

43:36the family is an organization , the

43:38community is an organization , a

43:40condominium is an organization , a

43:41building is an organization where every

43:44action is already regulated by rules

43:46and someone , at times , let me see , and

43:48is already regulated by rules , and in

43:50some cases , the decisions that must be

43:52made are totally governed by law . But

44:00the law changes . The law , notice that

44:05it changes over time . It is not the

44:08same law that governs us . If you take

44:12the law of today versus the law of 100

44:14years ago , of 200 years ago , you will

44:16see how they change . And many people

44:20might say , " Wait , but here in Chile we

44:22have the same Constitution . " " Yes , but

44:25it has had amendments and it can change

44:27. " In other words , it is not written in

44:30stone , it could change . Of course it

44:32can . It falls within the realm of

44:34possibilities . In the organizational

44:38sphere , it often happens — I'm going to

44:40grab this one that's scrolling up on me

44:42— that upon assuming a new leadership

44:44role , they try to impose their own

44:46ideas and priorities without aligning

44:48with the strategic objectives . How can

44:52you ensure that the entire chain of

44:54command remains aligned with general

44:55management and the company's purpose ?

45:00Very short answer , Henry . Talking ,

45:06talking about what we want to preserve

45:07and talking about what ends up being

45:09transformed . Right , let's go . We

45:23leaders who want to work on changes

45:25within an organization also have to

45:26understand the difference between

45:28transformation and change . When I

45:37change , I make a change , I swap this

45:39marker for this one , right ? And I

45:44change it . It's a different marker . I

45:47swap this manager for this one , there

45:49is another manager . I swap this law for

45:52this one . Yes , there is another law . I

45:58swap this technology for this other one

46:00. Fine . And when I speak of

46:05transformation , I speak of this marker

46:07here that is going to transform into

46:08this marker , and that at some point we

46:10will have a marker . a light green one

46:19in between , which we don't quite know

46:21what it is , but whose evolution will

46:23result in this other marker . Well , what

46:31I mean is that change is like turning

46:32the light on and off , and

46:34transformation is like when dawn breaks

46:36or when night falls . It is generated

46:41little by little . There is a phrase

46:46that I repeat in my classes and that I

46:48share with you now , and it is that no

46:49instant solution is forever . Why ?

47:01Because the " on / off , " the turning on

47:02and off , the idea that we can make a

47:04change overnight in any organization

47:06made up of human beings , is an idea

47:08that is transposed from the machine to

47:10the human being ; and the human being ,

47:12the natural world , does not operate

47:14like a machine . Right , I can turn a

47:23machine on and off with just the flick

47:25of a finger . However , the human

47:30experience happens in a different way .

47:34It may be that I am already changing a

47:36habit and I relapse , but I continue .

47:42And and and if I look at it from afar ,

47:43the bar that indicates my change , if I

47:45see it from a distance , I see that

47:47there is a trend toward the change I

47:49want , but if I look at it up close , I

47:51will see movements that seem erratic ,

47:53that go down and up , down and up . Right

47:57. Uh , look , Silvano says here , sorry ,

48:01sorry , sorry , sorry , sorry , I lost it .

48:05The public system has changed a lot ,

48:07without a doubt , but there is still

48:08enormous resistance to change . How

48:13should it be faced when political

48:14opinion matters more than professional

48:16capacity ? Very briefly , Silvano . What

48:25you say is very relevant , but very

48:27briefly , talking about what we want to

48:29preserve , what really gives meaning to

48:31public service and the people who

48:32constitute it . Very briefly . Well , here

48:42are the things that can change :

48:43technology , we can move to another

48:45building , we can change bosses , but we

48:47cannot change the structure . Notice

48:52there is structure , sorry , processes ,

48:54that’s what this refers to here :

48:56processes , we can change processes .

48:59Here is a circular process and here is

49:01a linear process . We can change laws ,

49:05we can change the company's structure .

49:09And what is it that changes and what is

49:11it that transforms ? Well , first there

49:14is a change and then comes a

49:16transformation , that is , there is a

49:18change in the law , for example , the

49:20Karin law , to give you an example that

49:22has happened in recent years . uh and

49:30the law changes , and upon the law

49:31changing , human beings have to

49:33transform the way they relate to each

49:35other . Do you realize that is what

49:42generates a different organization ?

49:46There could be another change , AI

49:47appears . Uh , so AI appears and there is

49:52a change in technology . Now we are

49:55going to do this with AI . Before we did

49:59it mechanically and now we are going to

50:01do it with artificial intelligence and

50:03that demands a transformation of the

50:04human element around it . Well , there

50:12can even be a change of manager and

50:13that change of manager implies a

50:15transformation of the way human beings

50:17relate to each other around them . Well ,

50:26let's see . So , leading a change

50:31management process involves

50:32understanding the distinction between

50:34what changes and what transforms ,

50:36because it is not the same . And there

50:42is always something in all of that that

50:43is also preserved . I am going to read

50:47questions now to see how we are doing

50:49on time . Oh , oh , oh . We have 15 minutes

50:53left and that is fine . A little bit

50:55less . 14 . Can you repeat . Very well ,

50:59Blanca , thank you for making me repeat

51:01it . Can you repeat what a leader cannot

51:04change in the organization ? That will

51:08depend on the organization . That will

51:11depend , very interesting question ,

51:13Blanca . That will depend on the

51:20organization , because there are things

51:22that the organization will want to

51:23preserve and it may have to do with

51:25values , it may have to do with its

51:27purpose , it may have to do with the

51:28foundational idea , it may have to do

51:30with some aspect of the organization

51:32that we say : " This is what I want to

51:33preserve . " For example , in any public

51:44system , they were talking to me about

51:46the armed forces here , uh , to say , well

51:48, what is it that we want to preserve ,

51:50uh , of a ministry of defense that is at

51:52the service of the citizens , that we

52:01have cutting-edge technology to defend

52:02the country's borders ? What is it that

52:06we want to preserve , or do we want to

52:08preserve both things ? Let's say , I am

52:12not currently working with a ministry

52:14of defense , but these are questions

52:16that can arise within any organization .

52:23Let's take another example , a system ,

52:25uh , a different system , a bakery system

52:27that has a structure because it has a

52:29head baker and has bakers working under

52:31them . So , we can ask ourselves what

52:39that bakery wants to preserve , and we

52:41might realize that it wants to preserve

52:43the original marraqueta recipe . Perfect

52:47. But another person could also come

52:51along and say , " Mmm , no , I want to

52:53preserve the profitability . " " Ah , so to

52:58preserve the EBITDA or the

52:59profitability of the business , we would

53:01have to make some transformations , and

53:03to preserve the marraqueta recipe ,

53:05others . " So , the conversation about

53:10what one wants to preserve is

53:12fundamental . I'm trying to think of

53:17another example , Blanca . Uh , let's

53:21think about the , the , the small system

53:23of a couple , right ? What is it that you

53:26want to preserve in the relationship ? I

53:29want to preserve , uh , the gestures of

53:31care that we have for one another . Ah ,

53:34look at that . So , everything else

53:37around what is being preserved can be

53:39transformed . Uh , Mauricio Mayorga says ,

53:45" There must be constant feedback

53:47between the leadership context and the

53:49organization . " " And this , Mauricio ,

53:54gives rise to the following systemic

53:56law , which I didn't include here

53:58because there are many , and this is a

54:00class , a a a small class so you can get

54:02, right ?, this idea . " But there is

54:06another systemic law that I really like

54:08, which is when I say , " I know you , I

54:10stop looking at you . " " Why ? " Because

54:15systems are essentially dynamic . Yes ,

54:19essentially dynamic . So , when I say , " I

54:22know you , I stop looking at you . " " For

54:27example , that person who has spent

54:29years working in a ministry — since the

54:31public sector topic has come up so much

54:33— who has spent years working in a

54:34ministry and might say : ' Nobody is

54:36going to come tell me how things are ,

54:38because I know this ministry like the

54:40back of my hand . ' " And well , really ,

54:49when we say we know something like the

54:51back of our hand , it's because we are

54:53focusing on what has been preserved in

54:55the system , but we have lost sight of

54:57what has been transformed . That is why

55:04it is important when I say I know you ,

55:06I stop looking at you . Anyone who says

55:13they know a process , a structure , or an

55:14organization like the back of their

55:16hand runs the risk of leaving in a

55:18blind spot everything that has been

55:19undergoing transformation . Let me give

55:26another example . The dad who has a

55:32daughter , who adores his daughter , he

55:34has known her since her mom had her in

55:36her belly , and this daughter is

55:38transforming , but that dad always sees

55:40in that girl , in that teenager , the

55:41same little girl who was born . However ,

55:50one day the daughter tells him , " Dad , I

55:52need some money to buy a bikini to go

55:54to the beach with my boyfriend . " And

56:00the words beach , bikini , boyfriend ,

56:02said in the same sentence by his

56:04daughter , are something that catches

56:05him off guard . Why ? Because you claimed

56:13to know her very well and I know her so

56:15much , I know what she is capable of and

56:17what she is not , but you have stopped

56:19looking at her and haven't seen all the

56:20ways she has transformed . Right , let's

56:28move on to the last point , we have a

56:30few minutes left , okay ? No , there . And

56:37you'll manage to get the permission . Oh

56:39. Oh , how funny . Luis Aranda . And

56:43you'll manage to get the permission in

56:44installments too . Could be , could be .

56:50Uh , were you referring to what I was

56:51saying about the , about the , about the

56:53little girl asking for money ? He says ,

56:57" Indeed . " Well , there we are . Let's go

57:02to point five and I believe this would

57:04be the last one . Transformation occurs

57:07in the relationship between the parts .

57:12When we transform something , it is

57:14transformed in the relationship between

57:16the parts and it is observed in

57:18behavior , and behavioral change is

57:19intertwined with learning , right ? Here

57:25I leave a small joke , in quotes , that

57:27says , " And how do you get yours to read

57:29? " Well , the mom reads , right ? To put

57:34it very , very briefly , right ? The mom

57:37is reading . We say that someone learned

57:43something when an observer

57:44distinguishes a change in behavior or a

57:46phenomenon in a context . Right , that's

57:51what we say when someone has changed

57:53their behavior . Whoever distinguishes

57:58the change in behavior , that is to say ,

58:00the learning , is an observer , another

58:02who could be anyone or oneself . We can

58:08therefore say that learning is social ,

58:10because we transform through

58:11coexistence , we transform with another .

58:17Oh , Sergio is asking if I can go back

58:19two slides , please . But if you ask me

58:27the question , Sergio , since we're in

58:28the final few minutes , learning is also

58:30present in the biological domain , as

58:32there is a structural change with

58:34learning . If I learn , for example , to

58:43bake a cake , there are neural networks

58:45that are the neural correlate of

58:47everything that happens when I bake a

58:48cake . What happens ? By the way I feel

58:55the batter needs to be . Mmm , look how

58:59delicious , how delicious the batter is .

59:03And when I put it in the mold and put

59:04it in the oven , right ? And the house

59:12fills up with that smell , a freshly

59:13baked cake , notice that everything has

59:15to do with biology and that is

59:17configured sensoperceptually in the

59:19human being , so that when something

59:21fails , we know it fails due to all this

59:23human sensoperceptual function . Good .

59:34Here is a video that I want you to

59:35watch , but I am going to ask you to

59:37please watch it . Um , it is called the

59:43backwards bicycle , you can take a

59:45screenshot , take a photo so you can see

59:47what I mean by learning . To learn

59:53something and change behavior , it is

59:55not enough to know it , it is not enough

59:57to understand it , you have to do it .

1:00:03And sometimes , even doing it is the

1:00:05only way I have to understand what is

1:00:07happening . Well , that is for you to

1:00:14watch as homework for this brief class ,

1:00:16because I have to finish it in 5

1:00:17minutes . So , notice , observe how one

1:00:23learns , by observing , understanding and

1:00:26doing or acting . We have to keep

1:00:31looking at these things all the time .

1:00:34What usually happens in organizations

1:00:36when someone arrives who wants to make

1:00:38any kind of change ? It could be a condo

1:00:44, it could be the building where you

1:00:46live , it could be a class , it could be

1:00:48a family , it could be a large , small ,

1:00:50or medium-sized company and um the

1:00:58first thing they do is state what the

1:01:00change is going to be , right ? Not

1:01:05paying attention to what is to be

1:01:06preserved and not providing context to

1:01:08understand the meaning of the change .

1:01:11Thanks , Nancy , you're a total hero .

1:01:19Nancy put the link to the video there

1:01:21and so also acting well or sometimes

1:01:23inviting to do it in another way to see

1:01:24that we understand , right ? And what

1:01:32knowledge we have from experience . So ,

1:01:38one must always be conscious that this

1:01:40observing , understanding and acting ,

1:01:42which are the steps that constitute

1:01:44learning , are interrelated with the

1:01:46change um and the transformation of

1:01:48human behavior . Remember this when you

1:01:56watch the bicycle video , right ? Watch

1:02:00out for this . Learning , because these

1:02:02are common mistakes . Learning is not

1:02:06telling others what to do or how to do

1:02:08it . Learning implies that one knows ,

1:02:13understands , and finds meaning in that

1:02:15change , right ? And that one has the

1:02:19experience . Learning is a change in

1:02:24behavior , in other words , a

1:02:26transformation that occurs while living

1:02:28with others . What happens when we

1:02:37resist change ? What do you think

1:02:41happens when we resist change ? Right ,

1:02:49here Monica says regression , we suffer ,

1:02:51there is no progress , uh , we don't

1:02:58understand , we don't move forward ,

1:03:00there is no progress , there is total

1:03:02frustration . So , notice that the art of

1:03:10leading has , look , Manuel says

1:03:11bankruptcy , totally , totally , because

1:03:14sometimes changes are generated within

1:03:16a system , be they structural or

1:03:17organizational , because we want to be

1:03:20sustainable over time as an

1:03:21organization . And if and if and we are

1:03:30not sustainable in economic terms ,

1:03:31bankruptcy comes , right ? And there can

1:03:40also be professional frustration , of

1:03:42course , conflicts are also generated ,

1:03:44but this puts on the table the power

1:03:45that conversation with the other has so

1:03:47that they go through these three stages

1:03:49: observation , understanding , and

1:03:51practice . Because that is where the

1:03:59meaning of the organization's change

1:04:00comes from . So , in point five , we say

1:04:05it is recommended that the leader

1:04:07understands that transformation does

1:04:09not happen by decree . We transform

1:04:13ourselves through living together and

1:04:15it is not like turning a light on and

1:04:17off . It is like when night falls or

1:04:20like when uh uh no dawn breaks , and we

1:04:29leave space here for questions , but I

1:04:31don't know if I can answer , Dani . I

1:04:34can't do anything . Goodbye . Bye .

1:04:39It's not possible .

1:04:40No , I'm not going to turn off your I'm

1:04:42not going to turn off your camera ,

1:04:43professor ,

1:04:44but they are indeed requesting that we

1:04:46please end the class .

1:04:47Well , they are asking if it will be

1:04:49recorded .

1:04:49Yes , the class will be recorded . Uh , we

1:04:52will also send the PPT to the students

1:04:54through the platform within a maximum

1:04:56of 48 hours . We thank you , professor ,

1:04:58and we will see you in the next class .

1:05:00Well , may it be so . Goodbye .

1:05:02Have a good afternoon . See you . Goodbye

1:05:04,

1:05:04take care .

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