Mitos TERBODOH Dunia Kesehatan, Gendut Itu Sehat #TheInnerCircle ft. Ery Makmur

0:00I've shot at 3:00 PM for an 8:00 PM

0:02broadcast . We don't call it racing

0:03against the clock , but racing against

0:05the devil . You weren't allowed to

0:06disturb the editor . In the pre-cloud

0:09era , as soon as we took a shot , a

0:11runner would have the bike ready to

0:12rush the hard drive to Kebon Jeruk . So

0:15as soon as we finished , the bike was

0:16already running and speeding off .

0:18But the pay was the smallest , it's a

0:20pity .

0:21Plus , my base in the acting world was

0:23because I was overweight .

0:25I was able to enter the acting world

0:27because I was chosen for being

0:28overweight at the time . In 2023 , I

0:30wanted to get insurance for my child ,

0:32so we had to have a medical check-up . I

0:34was considered high-risk . Because my

0:36body age was the same as a 67 - year-old

0:38person . It turns out that since 1997 ,

0:41the WHO has declared that obesity is a

0:44chronic disease . We started to think , "

0:47That's true , I never had migraines , I

0:49was never hospitalized , so I'll just

0:51eat . " That’s how it ended up . Even

0:52though there is no such thing as a

0:54healthy obese person .

0:55Sir , today we have another special

0:57guest invited . A nutritionist , great .

1:00Please , Kavania .

1:01Yes .

1:03Eri Makmur .

1:05Good morning , Koleo .

1:07Welcome to the Inner Circle . Today , our

1:09topic is really exciting , sir . I was

1:11just thinking yesterday , I

1:15happened to see some posts about you ,

1:17not from you , but in some media

1:18covering you .

1:20Okay .

1:21When I saw it , wow ,

1:22why does this face look so familiar ?

1:25Okay .

1:26But it doesn't look like you either .

1:30And finally , I noticed , oh , this is the

1:33Eri I used to watch on TV .

1:35Back when I was a kid .

1:36Back when I was a kid . Wow , it's

1:38amazing we can do a podcast together

1:40today , sir .

1:40Yeah .

1:41A lot of people are curious about your

1:43diet story , and today we will

1:46discuss that .

1:47Okay .

1:47But before that , I want to know what

1:49you are

1:49busy with right now ? Right now , I'm

1:53busy establishing myself as an

1:54influencer .

1:56Okay .

1:58Because the soap opera world is no

1:59longer enjoyable .

2:01Okay .

2:02Plus , I've adopted a healthy lifestyle ,

2:05and as we know , shooting soap operas

2:08means irregular rest , bad eating habits

2:10, and no time to exercise . So now , I

2:14think I've firmly decided to become an

2:16influencer . But it's still a bit heavy

2:19to call myself a health influencer . Oh ,

2:21I don't dare . Not ready yet . Just an

2:23influencer , then . Let's just be an

2:25influencer for now .

2:27But was your lifestyle really that

2:28unhealthy back when you were shooting

2:30soap operas ?

2:32Yes .

2:32Oh , I see .

2:33Yes . I once didn't go home for 2 days .

2:38Suppose shooting finished at 4:00 AM

2:40and I had to shoot again at ... In the

2:42morning .

2:43It's not worth going home .

2:45It's not worth going home with all the

2:47traffic , it's just a waste of time , so

2:48I'd sleep in the car in the parking lot

2:50.

2:51Okay .

2:52Exactly .

2:54Usually , what time did you start and

2:56finish shooting so that could happen ?

2:58If we talk about the world of soap

2:59operas , there are no standard working

3:01hours . Why ? Because they air every

3:03single day .

3:05Oh .

3:05How are we supposed to stock episodes ?

3:08Take a day off and you're immediately

3:09chasing the deadline . Chasing the air

3:11date .

3:11Yeah . It has to air , it has to air .

3:13Yeah . We’ve shot from 4:00 PM to 4:00

3:16AM . It still airs .

3:18We don't call it chasing the air date

3:20anymore , but being chased by a demon .

3:22And then there’s the editing process .

3:24There is editing , yes .

3:25Is there time ?

3:26Just enough time .

3:27Luckily , we have a cloud system now . So

3:31we edit on location , upload per segment

3:33to the cloud , send it off , and it airs .

3:37So what we watch at 8:00 . At 7:30 , it

3:40airs , while the 8:00 part is still

3:42being edited . See .

3:44Wow .

3:44You can’t bother the editor at that

3:46point . That’s in the cloud era ; in

3:50the old days before the cloud , when we

3:52finished a take , the runner would

3:53already have the bike running , ready to

3:55send the hard drive to Kebon Jeruk .

3:59Okay .

4:00So we check , the bike is running .

4:02Okay .

4:03His life was on the line here . He must

4:05have been speeding on the bike .

4:06Yes .

4:07Yeah . But he had the lowest pay . Poor

4:09guy . Okay .

4:10Our world is quite inhumane .

4:12Okay . Can we say how much ? That

4:15small

4:16he had to speed like that .

4:17It was small .

4:18Okay . Small .

4:20So , is it fair to say that , perhaps at

4:22that time , it was one of the reasons

4:24why

4:26for

4:29you , Mas Eri , it was probably hard to

4:31even think about living a healthy life

4:33because of

4:35the work too ?

4:36Correct . Plus , my foundation in the

4:39acting world was really because I was

4:41fat .

4:42Okay .

4:43I was indeed fat since I was a kid .

4:45Okay .

4:46I was chosen to enter the acting world

4:48at that time because I was fat .

4:49Oh , really ?

4:50Yes . So in 2004 , the acting

4:53might have been the second or third

4:55choice , but the first choice was being

4:56fat and cheap . Okay .

4:58Okay . So the story is , in 2002 , wait ,

5:012004 , I was in college and a senior

5:03four years ahead of me was working as

5:05an executive producer at a soap opera

5:07production house .

5:09He called me , " Help me out . " "

5:12I need a fat actor but the pay is cheap

5:14. "

5:15Okay .

5:16The phrase was " fat and cheap . "

5:18Okay .

5:19Quality was maybe just an afterthought .

5:21Maybe , yeah . But clearly , in this

5:23situation , because he was a senior four

5:24years above me , I had no choice . Ready ,

5:27boss . Ready . All good . Is this a

5:29casting call or what ? No. Shooting the

5:30day after tomorrow .

5:31Okay .

5:32So I became a high schooler in 2004 . I

5:35don't know why . Thank God , from there ,

5:37there were more and more and more . And

5:39I played , maybe we could say 80 to 90 % ,

5:42roles for fat people .

5:46Why were there specific roles for fat

5:48people in those soap operas , Mas ? Well ,

5:52usually there’s , for example , the

5:54first soap opera was about a fat high

5:56school kid being bullied .

5:58Oh .

5:58It affects the story because the title

6:00itself is Big Is Beautiful .

6:02Oh .

6:03Because the message is that it's okay

6:04to be fat , but what matters is that

6:06you're kind-hearted . Yeah , things like

6:08that . Or for example in " Awas Ada Sule .

6:11"

6:13The character Makmur is a fat driver

6:14who is funny when he falls , for

6:16instance . Okay .

6:19That’s why there are these specific

6:20fat characters .

6:22Oh , so during the casting process ,

6:24looking for actors is very , very

6:26specific , right , Mas ? Like , if they're

6:30fat , it’s written down as fat .

6:31That's right .

6:32Oh .

6:32Yes , yes , exactly like that .

6:34I think nowadays , on Twitter , that

6:36could get canceled .

6:38Yeah , yeah . I

6:39just want a fat person .

6:40Yeah , yeah .

6:42But because there are some characters

6:44that are tied to the story , right ? For

6:47example , a fat person who would be

6:49difficult to rescue during a fire , for

6:51instance . We have no choice but to look

6:54for a fat person , right ?

6:55Yeah . I

6:56or a fat person who would inconvenience

6:58the main character , like an ojek driver

7:00, for example .

7:01Right ? It's really necessary .

7:03Okay .

7:03Like that . And in the end , there was

7:07quite a long period of time , Mas , from

7:09the last time I watched

7:13you on TV until suddenly , maybe last

7:16year or this year , I saw you , Mas Eri ,

7:18reappearing with a new look .

7:21Could you tell me what actually

7:23happened during that time , Mas ?

7:25Actually , my last soap opera was in

7:272023 , not " Awas Ada Sule , " but a title

7:30called " Takdir Cinta Yang Kupilih . "

7:34In that situation , we were filming in

7:36Puncak and had lodging , so I only went

7:38home once a week . That's when the

7:41temptation became greater , starting at

7:43108 kilos .

7:45A year passed and it became 121 kilos .

7:50Because the Puncak air was cold , snacks

7:52were everywhere , plus we finished

7:54filming at 9 PM and " went home fast , "

7:56so to speak . " Let's go to Warpat , let's

8:01go to Sate Kadir Hanjawar and their

8:02friends . " That's how it went up to 121 .

8:08In 2023 , I wanted to get life insurance

8:10for my kids .

8:11Okay .

8:13That's where we had to do a medical

8:14check-up .

8:16Since we're the debtor here .

8:17Yes . I was considered high-risk because

8:21my body age was that of a 67 - year-old .

8:26Wow .

8:27That’s where everything changed .

8:30Okay , that was the trigger .

8:32Yes . The numbers were bad . Erythrocyte

8:35sedimentation rate , LDL , whatever , the

8:37heart , everything was bad . But I was

8:40still in denial . " Ah , it’s just

8:42numbers . " Once I saw " body age , " I

8:44asked , " What does this mean ? " It means

8:47your metabolism is equivalent to a 67 -

8:49year-old , and I immediately thought .

8:53Logically , what is the maximum human

8:55age ? 70 years old .

8:56Meaning there’s not much left .

8:59Yes .

9:00Right ?

9:00From there , I thought . Thinking about

9:02my kids who are still young .

9:04From there .

9:05Okay . At that moment , what was the

9:09first thing or first step you took ? Oh ,

9:12I have to change my lifestyle .

9:14Yes . At that time , I was choosing which

9:17diet was suitable .

9:19Actually , there are so many diets out

9:21there . And yes , I’ve also tried

9:24various kinds of diets .

9:27Like what , sir ? For instance ,

9:29the Mayo diet .

9:30Okay .

9:32No-salt diet , no-carb keto diet , or

9:34carnivore diet , or plant-based ; I've

9:37done it all . I've even paid tens of

9:41millions for one .

9:43Paid tens of millions for a diet .

9:44Yes .

9:45What ?

9:45Yeah . Commercial diet . Yes . Yeah . Those

9:48commercial diet programs where they

9:50prepare a 3 - month package and such ,

9:51I've done it . And several vendors

9:54ultimately concluded that they only

9:56explain the technical side . Every diet

10:01only talks about what you can eat and

10:03what you can't . You eat this at this

10:05time , you eat that at that time . So

10:08everything only explains the " how-to . "

10:12Hm .

10:13But none of them explain the " why . "

10:15Okay .

10:16Why should you diet ? Why should you be

10:18healthy ?

10:19That’s when I started meditating for

10:213 days and 3 nights ,

10:22seeking divine insight . What is it ?

10:24What is it ? Because basically , all

10:26diets are the same .

10:27Calorie deficit .

10:28Everything is the same , you know . The

10:30point is a calorie deficit . Even the

10:32ones you pay for ,

10:35they can't guarantee that when I take

10:36their pills I can lose weight

10:41without watching my diet . They can't

10:43guarantee it .

10:44They’ll ask for photos , sir . What are

10:46you eating ? Take a picture . Oh , the

10:47chili paste is oily , don't eat it , sir .

10:50Okay .

10:50Oh , the tempeh is fried . Don't eat it ,

10:53sir . Well , why did I pay tens of

10:55millions then ? It turns out that

10:58without the pills , when I manage my

11:00diet , it's possible .

11:01It's possible . Okay .

11:03That means we need to fix the mindset

11:05first . From there , I tried to find the

11:08strongest mindset .

11:11That’s where I also found that since

11:131997 , the WHO has stated that obesity

11:16is a chronic disease . It's been since

11:19'97 , you know .

11:21Okay . A chronic disease , right ?

11:23Chronic . Whereas since I was a child , I

11:25was always told , " Wow , this kid is

11:27chubby , he’s very healthy , Ma'am . "

11:30Even though

11:31according to the WHO , it's a chronic

11:33disease

11:34since '97 , sir .

11:35Okay . Oh , I remember my mom's friends

11:40saying to each other , " Yes , my child is

11:42skinny ,

11:44your child is healthy , chubby . "

11:46Mentally ,

11:49I was healthy . H

11:52that was wrong .

11:53Yeah , yeah . It means the mindset . Now ,

11:56I often encounter this , sir . On TikTok ,

11:58sometimes there are these movements ,

12:00and lately , I think the movements are

12:02getting weirder .

12:04What's that ?

12:05It's clear the person is obese , right ?

12:07But

12:08oh , I'm happy , I'm just me .

12:10Yeah .

12:11Like that .

12:11Yeah . Happy . But it's a burden on us if

12:15they pass away . It’s heavy to carry

12:17them , sir .

12:18Right ?

12:19Right ? Yes , yeah .

12:21That doesn't exist . Those are the

12:23stigmas that we have to change .

12:26Hm .

12:27Even when I was older , even when I was

12:29already working , people still thought ,

12:31" It's okay to be fat , as long as you're

12:33healthy . " " How many times have you tried

12:35dieting ? " Oh , no , I'm on a diet right

12:37now . Come on , it's fine , as long as

12:39you're healthy .

12:41It makes us think , yeah , that's true , I

12:44never get migraines , I'm never

12:46hospitalized , so yeah , let's eat .

12:48That's how it ends up . Even though

12:50there is no such thing as a healthy fat

12:51person .

12:52Okay . Now , from there , did you finally ,

12:56Eri

12:56Yeah .

12:58come up with or find a diet pattern ,

13:00the Eri version ?

13:02Yes .

13:04What makes it different from the

13:05previous methods you've tried ?

13:07Yes . The first thing is , this is not

13:10just about pursuing weight loss .

13:13Okay .

13:13This is about pursuing a healthy

13:15lifestyle . Yeah .

13:17And what must be set from the start is

13:19that a healthy lifestyle has no end . A

13:22healthy lifestyle must be maintained

13:24until you die .

13:25Okay .

13:28Because once we hit our body goals , if

13:30we don't take care of our bodies , if we

13:32don't watch what we eat , don't keep

13:33exercising , we'll just go back .

13:36Take Deddy Corbuzier , Rendy Pangalila ,

13:38Ade Rai , their bodies are already great

13:41. Yeah .

13:41But up to this very second

13:44they still work out , still watch what

13:45they eat . That's what needs to be

13:49understood first .

13:52This is what I've also noticed , there

13:54are many cases where people's diets are

13:56instant , you know , the weight loss is

13:58extreme , but when they bounce back ,

14:00it's just as extreme .

14:01Yes . Because they only chase weight

14:04loss .

14:05Okay .

14:05Only chasing the " how-to " I mentioned

14:07earlier .

14:08But they haven't found the " why . " Okay .

14:11I also used to have paid diets that

14:13were successful . Let's say 15 kilos

14:15down , it worked .

14:16Oh , you did lose weight .

14:17I did lose weight . I did lose weight .

14:19But after that , how did it feel ? It

14:21felt like I was finished , I was done .

14:24So I'm allowed to eat carelessly again ,

14:25right ?

14:27Because I was too compartmentalized

14:28about which foods are healthy and which

14:30are considered evil . Actually ,

14:33there are no evil foods . What's evil is

14:35us . When calories in are more than

14:39calories out .

14:41Okay ,

14:42like that .

14:44You wrote all of that in this book that

14:45was given earlier

14:46wrote it .

14:47Okay . How did you even think of writing

14:49a book , man ?

14:50Well , the story started

14:52actually .

14:53You're welcome . So the story is ,

14:55because the traffic on social media was

14:57quite busy , many people were asking

15:01how to do it . At first , I replied to

15:03them one by one , Ko .

15:04Okay ,

15:05I replied , and I even held , like , a

15:07contest . Write down your motivation for

15:10dieting . I chose 10 , made a group , and

15:12monitored their diets . Things like that

15:14.

15:14Okay ,

15:15yeah . Turns out , because it was free ,

15:18there was no commitment . Out of the 10

15:21who made it to the finish line , only

15:23two stayed . Where did the others run

15:24off to ? It's not clear .

15:26So many were asking , " It's tiring to

15:28answer them one by one . " Until finally ,

15:30I tried making an ebook first , right .

15:33Let's make an ebook first so it's

15:34easier to explain , like , " Just download

15:36it , just download it . " Until one day ,

15:40miracles started happening after losing

15:42this weight . Suddenly , the publisher

15:47Gagas Media contacted me via DM , " Mas ,

15:49let's make a physical book . " " Huh ? Are

15:53you sure there's an audience ? I don't

15:56understand the writing world at all . " "

15:59It's okay , Mas , we'll help , we'll

16:01provide an editor . " Oh , okay . Let's do

16:04it . Deal . Fast . Because the ebook was

16:06already there , the process for the

16:08physical book was really fast . About a

16:10month and a half , the process .

16:12Because I just had to convert it ,

16:14just had to elaborate , just elaborate

16:16on it . Well , that's it .

16:19Okay , so Mas Eri also had time to

16:21create groups to gather people who

16:23wanted to diet too , right ?

16:25I did , I had three batches , if not

16:27three batches . So per batch , we

16:30monitored their diet for 3 months .

16:32Okay . And

16:33were there any significant results

16:35among them ?

16:36Yes . There was a girl in Jogja named

16:39Mbah Retno , she lost 20 kilos in about

16:414 or 5 months .

16:43H

16:44like that . On target , a month is at

16:46least 3 to 4 kilos , right . H

16:48she did 20 kilos .

16:49Wow ,

16:50that's it .

16:53I'm curious , are there any myths or

16:55misconceptions that people still

16:56believe about dieting , Mas ?

17:01Myths , right . When it comes to diet ,

17:04there are many actually , but the one I

17:06really feel is the " fat but healthy "

17:08myth . That is a real myth .

17:11What if being fat is fine as long as

17:13you're happy ?

17:14Well , it's better to be healthy and

17:16happy , right ? Yes . Right , thin but

17:18happy .

17:19Yes .

17:20Fat and happy , yeah . Only the physical

17:22body is happy ,

17:23the heart / mind once it knows it's 67 .

17:26Hm .

17:27Think .

17:28Yes .

17:29Think about it . If you have a brain ,

17:32think . Right . This might be a message

17:35for friends here who are aware they're

17:36fat but still feel happy . Try checking

17:38your body age first , yeah . Try

17:41doing a medical check-up .

17:44Will you still be happy ? Okay . Because ,

17:47Mas , for me , I mean , right now , if you

17:50say I'm super fat , not really , right ?

17:52Yeah .

17:53But when I looked , I once looked at my

17:55body age using those machines ,

17:57Y-Yeah . Those scales .

17:59I was 5 years older .

18:01Okay .

18:01Than my actual age . That alone made me

18:04worry .

18:04I was really worried . Like I couldn't

18:07accept it .

18:07Yeah . So if it were higher than that ,

18:10I'd be confused .

18:12Ah , imagine when I was 67 even though

18:15at that time I was still 39 years old .

18:18Okay ,

18:19now ask , what is your body age now ?

18:22What’s your body age now ?

18:2531 .

18:26Wow .

18:27Yes .

18:28You’re the same age as me now , Mas .

18:30Yeah .

18:30Even though your actual age keeps going

18:32up , right , 42 .

18:33Yeah .

18:34My body age is 31 .

18:37Wow . Yes .

18:3931 .

18:41Yes .

18:42That’s that’s saving 10 years .

18:44Right .

18:4542 to ? Yeah . Yeah . 11 years , actually .

18:4811 years , actually .

18:50My math is mush . Once I start talking ,

18:52my math gets mushy . C

18:54That means I could aim for a 17 -

18:55year-old body , right .

18:57You can . That’s why Cristiano

18:58Ronaldo’s body age is in his 20s .

19:01Really ?

19:01Yes . Just try googling Cristiano

19:03Ronaldo's body age , it's in his 20s .

19:07At his age of 40 - something , right ?

19:0940 or , yeah , 39 , maybe 38 , but he's 20 .

19:14It's possible .

19:16Okay .

19:18It’s possible , just balance the body

19:20composition between muscle and fat , and

19:22your body age will definitely go down .

19:26Okay . Now , I’m curious , Mas . So , from

19:30your own story , Mas Errie , and also the

19:33friends you gathered in your diet

19:34community , what do people actually need

19:36most when they

19:40want to go on a diet ?

19:41Support .

19:42Okay , from

19:44their environment . Sometimes , with

19:47these friends who are dieting ,

19:49I don’t talk about technicalities ,

19:52but I talk about let’s live healthily

19:53, let’s live healthily . Discover your

19:57miracles once you’ve lost weight . Me ,

20:02sir , I suddenly became a health seminar

20:04speaker , it’s a miracle , sir .

20:06Suddenly became a model , a miracle , sir

20:09. Suddenly became a book author , a

20:11miracle , sir . I said , " You guys

20:13definitely have other miracles too . "

20:16Come on . By me telling these stories of

20:20miracles , they get motivated , sir . And

20:23don't oppose what they are doing . For

20:26example , if they can only walk . H.

20:29Don't you ever say this to friends who

20:31are struggling to diet . Walking isn't

20:33effective .

20:35Yeah .

20:36Just go to the gym . Don't .

20:39Yeah .

20:40Exactly . Going to the gym is more

20:42effective . Right . But that , in my

20:44opinion , is another commitment , sir .

20:46Hm .

20:48Paying for a gym membership , going to

20:50the gym ,

20:52can you stay consistent for the next 3

20:54months ? H

20:56I’ve done it twice , sir ,

20:57paid for a year , only active for 2

20:59months ,

21:0110 months being a donor .

21:03I feel like I'm being targeted here .

21:05Oh , yeah .

21:06Because because I'm like that too , Mas .

21:07Is that so ? Oh , my bad , I'm sorry .

21:10Sorry , yeah .

21:11Yeah , yeah .

21:12Yeah , yeah . I think that's another

21:13commitment . When they are committed to

21:16losing weight , to getting healthy first

21:17, go ahead .

21:19Yeah . I

21:20can they slowly increase it ? For

21:24example , maybe try light jogging , or

21:26add some weight lifting .

21:29Let's say use dumbbells at home or

21:30start using your own body weight .

21:34Sit ups , push ups , uh , squats .

21:38You don't need to join a gym yet , just

21:40start by utilizing your body weight

21:41first . If you can't , then just walk

21:44first .

21:45Okay , so the picture is that dieting

21:46actually doesn't have to be ...

21:48it doesn't have to be , the impression

21:49is it doesn't have to be expensive and

21:51it doesn't have to be difficult , right ?

21:52No , no , it's not there .

21:54Okay .

21:55It's not there . Well , I think there are

21:57healthy myths , too . Too much labeling

21:59of food as healthy or unhealthy .

22:00There's no such thing . Because when we

22:03categorize it like that ,

22:05when we go on a diet program where we

22:07can only eat healthy ,

22:09our mind starts to think this is a

22:11torture .

22:14It's bland , it's restrictive , it's not

22:16enjoyable . There's a sense of turmoil .

22:19I want to cheat , I want martabak . Since

22:23the time of our ancestors , martabak has

22:25existed , sir .

22:26Crackers have existed since our

22:27ancestors ' time , sir .

22:29But they still moved a lot .

22:31For us , we just sit and tap our fingers

22:34for martabak .

22:35Right ?

22:36People back then had to walk to the

22:37front to the end to buy martabak . Okay .

22:40Correct . At the very least , they used a

22:42bike .

22:42Yes .

22:43Even that was maybe once every 2 or 3

22:45months , arriving home with eight kids

22:47to share with .

22:49Yes . While we just use our thumbs and

22:52there's the impulsive part .

22:54Add two more pans to get a 20,000 IDR

22:57discount .

22:58Isn't that right ?

22:59Yes . That turns out to be evil , doesn't

23:01it ?

23:02Evil . Minister of Health , please help .

23:04It turns out I'm like that often too ,

23:06Mas . Wow , add 5,000 more and get a

23:0810,000 IDR discount , so I add the fried

23:11meatballs too .

23:13Right ?

23:14Right ? That's just five steps walking

23:17to the door .

23:19Accept . Okay . Wow , this is really

23:21interesting . Especially since we've

23:23started discussing food , Mas . Today

23:25there is one more special guest who

23:28we invited .

23:29We want to discuss it directly with the

23:31expert .

23:31Expert .

23:32Nutritionist .

23:33Nutritionist . Great .

23:34Please , Kak Fania .

23:36Yes .

23:37Wow .

23:38Hello .

23:38Hello .

23:40Again .

23:40Welcome to Inner Circle . Okay . So for

23:47the friends here today , so that our

23:49discussion , which might be , uh , me and

23:51Mas Eri , is from the side of

23:54experience .

23:55Experience . Now , but it also must be

23:57balanced with the side of

23:58data and facts .

23:59The data and facts . Otherwise , later

24:02we'll be considered "

24:03ah , that's just you saying that , " right

24:05?

24:05Yes . Correct .

24:06Or " that's based on your experience , in

24:08reality , it's not like that . " So , we

24:10have invited the nutritionist directly .

24:11Okay , here they are .

24:13Okay . So , we were discussing food

24:15earlier , Mas .

24:16I ,

24:17I've heard one myth , Kavania . Is it

24:19true ,

24:22that people say if you're on a diet ,

24:23you can't eat rice , or that rice is

24:25really evil ?

24:28Yeah , that's why there are non-carb

24:30diets , right ?

24:31Correct . Now , actually , this is one of

24:35the most frequently believed diet myths

24:37.

24:39Because there is no such thing as " evil

24:41food " except for poison .

24:42Yes . I

24:44so don't , we should never get used to

24:46blaming the type of food , but let's

24:48study first , what actually is the

24:50nutrition in this food ? If I eat this ,

24:54what does it do for my body ? What are

24:57the benefits ?

24:58And what are the limits ? Well , that's

25:00the mindset , it's also about mindset .

25:03That's the mindset that must be applied

25:05like that . Because back again , there's

25:07no , there's nothing , there's no food

25:08that is

25:09evil .

25:10Yes .

25:10It's just how we see it , how we manage

25:12it .

25:13Okay ,

25:13like that . That's it .

25:14Okay . Earlier you mentioned the word "

25:16manage . " So , actually ,

25:20is it true that all foods can actually

25:21be used in our diet formulation ?

25:23True .

25:24Correct . Yes , they can .

25:25Oh , I see .

25:26Yes . Well , unless there's an allergy .

25:28Oh , yeah . In certain cases like that .

25:30Now , this is also perhaps another

25:32mindset that friends need to understand

25:34as well . Many people think a diet is an

25:37effort to lose weight . Whereas the

25:39definition of diet itself is actually

25:41the management of eating patterns .

25:42I

25:43see . So that is why it's important for

25:46us to understand so that when we start

25:48to manage what enters our body , how we

25:50sleep , how we are active , like the one

25:52who decided whether to start walking

25:53first or start hitting the gym . Now ,

25:57these three things , all these pillars

25:59need to be considered first , so we know

26:03not , " Oh , running is good , I'll run 20

26:05km tomorrow . " Even though they've never

26:07run before .

26:08Yes . Could faint or get injured like

26:10that .

26:12Oh , they said eating vegetables is good

26:14. Tomorrow I'll eat a whole basket of

26:15vegetables and not eat anything else .

26:17There's no protein .

26:18No protein . Vegetables are a form of

26:20carbohydrates , right ? Just vegetables

26:22alone like that . That's also not good .

26:25Because if they've exercised but don't

26:27eat protein , the muscles won't recover ,

26:29right ? So by the end of the day , this

26:32is

26:33the principle that needs to be held so

26:35we can manage well what enters our body

26:37, what we do , and how we rest .

26:41Okay . Now , earlier , Mas Eri also

26:44mentioned having tried many types of

26:46diets . Yeah .

26:52That

26:54according to Kavania , why are there

26:56diets that seem like they're just a

26:58matter of hit or miss ?

26:59Oh yes , yes , yes , that's right .

27:01Why could it be like that ?

27:05Well , diet programs are basically made

27:07for several groups , and as previously

27:09mentioned , we also know that a diet or

27:11eating pattern is definitely different

27:13for everyone . Correct .

27:18So , it's never one size fits all .

27:20Correct .

27:20Like that . To know which one suits us ,

27:22we need to try .

27:24Correct .

27:24Indeed , to be able to get the diet

27:26pattern that is now most suitable for

27:28Mas Eri ,

27:29you have to

27:30trial and error , right ?

27:31Like that . Does this work ? Does this

27:34work or not ? There are those who have

27:36tried intermittent fasting and suddenly

27:37their acid reflux flares up instead .

27:40Well , not all intermittent fasting

27:42works , either .

27:43That's right . Like , I can't do

27:45intermittent fasting because I have

27:47acid reflux , so it doesn't work .

27:49Yes .

27:50You can try it out first ; I tried it

27:52myself even though I knew I had acid

27:54reflux that tends to flare up .

27:56But I tried it , and it turns out I

27:58really can't .

28:00So , let's break the fasting , right ? I

28:02started eating again . There are all

28:04sorts of IF . There's one meal a day ,

28:07there's 16/8 , 18/6 .

28:0818/6 .

28:11It depends on when you fast and when

28:12your eating window is , right ? Then

28:15there is also the ketogenic diet .

28:16Some people feel like , " Oh , after I did

28:18the ketogenic diet , all my health

28:20problems started to disappear , " like

28:22those who had

28:24allergic reactions become healthier and

28:26all that . There are also those who

28:28can't do the ketogenic diet ; suddenly

28:29they get hypertension , suddenly their

28:31cholesterol goes up .

28:32Because the ketogenic diet is high in

28:34protein and fat . Yes .

28:35They don't eat carbs at all .

28:37Okay .

28:37Like that . Now , some athletes also try

28:40the ketogenic diet — some works , some

28:42doesn't .

28:44Why is that ? Yeah , everyone's body is

28:46different .

28:48There are even some diets that make

28:50women's menstrual cycles get messed up .

28:52That's right .

28:52Yeah , there are cases like that .

28:54Calorie deficit itself is actually not

28:56a diet , really . It's more like a

28:58principle . When what goes into our body

29:02, calories in , is less than what goes

29:04out , calories out from our activities ,

29:06then weight will drop .

29:10That is the most basic principle of

29:12weight loss and weight gain .

29:14Like that . Now , even a calorie deficit ,

29:17if not controlled , can be very

29:21destructive to the body . I was a victim

29:23of it .

29:26Back when I was still a wushu athlete .

29:28That's right . Okay .

29:29Back in the day , we ... well , because it

29:34was a job requirement to have a body at

29:36a certain level . At that time , my body

29:38fat was 16 % . Now , for men , 16 % is normal

29:42. But for women ,

29:43below 18 % is not normal . Because we need

29:46enough fat to be able to regulate

29:48hormones .

29:49And women need hormones to have a

29:51regular menstrual cycle , right ?

29:52There are more hormones involved , right

29:54?

29:54That's right . It's more complex . Yes .

29:58Now , if there is a lack of fat , it will

30:00affect the hormonal cycle and it will

30:02affect menstruation . And why is it a

30:05problem if menstruation is disrupted ?

30:08Well , that can eventually lead to a lot

30:09of different chronic problems . So , even

30:12a calorie deficit must be done ...

30:15the principle must be approached more

30:17carefully and cannot be done extremely .

30:19That's right .

30:20Like that . Okay , I'm starting to

30:22understand now . So , it means the point

30:25of a diet is that what's important is

30:26our calories out are greater than our

30:28calories in . But at the same time , what

30:31needs to be adjusted is that the diet

30:33options we choose from these many

30:34options should be ones that don't end

30:36up damaging our bodies , right ?

30:38Correct .

30:38Yes .

30:39The one that fits best and that we can

30:41consistently follow for life .

30:42Yeah .

30:43Because , as the name says , yeah . A

30:45healthy lifestyle , like Mas Eri

30:47mentioned earlier , right ? This is for a

30:49lifetime .

30:50It's not just a 3 - month or 6 - month

30:52program ,

30:52but it is for a lifetime . So , for

30:54example , there are some extreme diet

30:56programs , water fasting for instance ,

30:58you only drink water , 7 days of only

31:00drinking water

31:01like that . Wow , weight will definitely

31:04go down , for sure . It's impossible for

31:06it not to . Water has zero calories ,

31:08right ?

31:08Like that . But what is the impact ?

31:10No protein intake , no carbohydrate

31:12intake , no fiber intake .

31:15Hair starts falling out . What ? Can we

31:17live our whole lives without eating ,

31:18just drinking water ? That's impossible ,

31:21right ?

31:21Meanwhile , if someone says , " Oh , this

31:23is just a trigger . " Yeah , back again .

31:26Some work , some don't . So ,

31:28we also have to listen to our bodies .

31:31If our body is already screaming that

31:33it can't handle it , we have to listen

31:34and start trying to change the patterns

31:36that aren't working . Okay . Earlier , Mas

31:39Eri told that story about the martabak .

31:44It got me thinking , in your opinion ,

31:46Vania , what is the level of awareness

31:48about healthy eating among people in

31:50Indonesia ? Because , from what I see ,

31:55it's not necessarily true that it's

31:57healthier in the US . There are more

32:00obese people there than here . But here ,

32:03we also see people eating rice mixed

32:05with Indomie . There's that too .

32:07Many .

32:09So many people eat carbs with a side of

32:11carbs , right ? Morning nasi uduk , and

32:13the side dish is fried vermicelli .

32:15Oh , yeah , you're right .

32:16Plus , they add potato fritters

32:18and spiced coconut flakes . That's all

32:20for

32:20already .

32:21Ketoprak now even uses Indomie , right ?

32:22Yes , Indomie ketoprak . Getting close

32:24now . So , in Indonesia , in your opinion ,

32:29Vania , what is the awareness regarding

32:31a healthy diet ? Hmm .

32:33What is it like ,

32:35actually ? I started making content on

32:37TikTok at the beginning of the pandemic

32:39, right . Now , since the existence of

32:41social media like TikTok , Instagram ,

32:43and YouTube , we are now flooded with

32:45information . In my opinion , awareness

32:48has started to improve compared to

32:50before COVID .

32:52Because of COVID , everyone started

32:54being online a lot , so they get a lot

32:56of information . However , indeed

33:00many are still not wise . So , the funny

33:03thing is , just because we know doesn't

33:05mean we apply it ,

33:07right ? So we know this is not healthy ,

33:09but we don't necessarily practice it .

33:11We know , oh , when eating martabak , the

33:12most I'll eat is one piece , for example

33:14. Because it’s actually allowed ,

33:16it’s not like you can’t eat

33:17martabak at all .

33:18When you actually have a need , like if

33:20you're doing heavy exercise tomorrow ,

33:21or running a half marathon ,

33:23two slices of sweet martabak is good ,

33:26you know .

33:26It's good for carb-loading because

33:28it’s effective . But , even though you

33:31know that , you still eat five — half of

33:33it suddenly gone .

33:34Then you go to sleep .

33:36Right after sleeping .

33:37Or , is it true that you shouldn't eat

33:38and then immediately go to sleep

33:40because the effects are

33:41very bad ?

33:42That's right . Don't do that , if you can

33:44, leave a gap .

33:45Oh ,

33:45especially those with acid reflux .

33:47Yes . So don't , try to leave a gap after

33:50eating .

33:512 to 3 hours .

33:522 to 3 hours until the stomach starts

33:54to empty , then we go to sleep .

33:56Ken . Why is that ? I , I really love

33:58eating late at night , you see .

33:59Eating dinner and then immediately

34:01sleeping .

34:01Yeah , I mean , uh , late-night snacking .

34:03Late-night snacking .

34:04Like 30 minutes later , I sleep .

34:05Uh , even 15 minutes is possible .

34:08Oh , go ahead , please eat . Nom nom nom

34:10nom nom . I go up and sleep .

34:12Oh , I see .

34:13But is your stomach safe , or does it

34:14often flare up ?

34:15That acid reflux , it's there .

34:17Acid reflux , but I never thought it was

34:18triggered by that .

34:19Oh , I see . That could be one of the

34:21triggers , especially if the food is

34:23high in fat because it’s digested

34:24slower . Fatty foods , foods high in fat

34:27and sugar are digested slower . First ,

34:29it can make our stomach too full . It

34:32doesn't give enough time for the

34:33stomach acid to work and digest the

34:35food properly .

34:35Okay .

34:36Second , that definitely affects sleep

34:38quality . Because when we eat , whatever

34:41we eat , actually some of it will

34:42definitely be turned into sugar . H

34:45right ? Now , when — especially if the

34:47food is high in sugar — it can cause

34:49spiking , blood sugar spiking . Now , that

34:52can ruin your sleep . And when waking up

34:55in the morning , have you ever felt like

34:57, waking up in the morning , after

34:58eating late , you feel really hungry ?

35:01I have too .

35:02Yeah . Now , that can also happen because

35:04you ate too close to bedtime .

35:07Oh ,

35:07I see .

35:08Wow .

35:09And if sleep quality is ruined ,

35:11automatically the next day our mood is

35:13more messy , we get hungry faster , get

35:15tired faster , and eat more .

35:17Hm . Yeah .

35:19So , one of the tips is , if you are

35:20looking to lose weight ,

35:23try to have your dinner , although there

35:26isn't actually a specific time , but why

35:28is it recommended at 6:00 or 7:00 ? At

35:30night , it's actually so it’s not too

35:32close to bedtime .

35:34Next time I won't do it again .

35:37Okay . Uh , I'm curious , Kak Fan . Uh , we

35:40previously discussed that food —

35:41there's no such thing as food that is

35:44uh , bad , right ?

35:46but are there actually any good foods

35:47out there ? Foods that are good for a

35:50diet , foods that actually

35:53have a good effect if , for example , we

35:55want to diet or lose weight .

35:57Hm . We're talking about food types ,

35:58right .

35:59So , usually , when managing a diet ,

36:01there are the 3 Js .

36:03Schedule , regularity of meals , amount ,

36:06and whether the type is varied enough .

36:09Okay ,

36:09like that . Now , usually , when we

36:11determine the type of food , we divide

36:14it into three major macronutrients .

36:16Carbohydrates , protein , and fat .

36:18Okay .

36:19And now fiber is also counted , fiber is

36:21part of carbohydrates , but it's

36:22separated . Why ? Because many

36:24Indonesians lack fiber .

36:25Yeah .

36:26Okay ,

36:26like that . So , what foods are really

36:30good for a diet , that also depends —

36:34it goes back to that . But there are

36:36some that can help . For example , foods

36:38that can keep us full longer . Now ,

36:40usually , foods that keep us full longer

36:42are high-fiber foods .

36:44I okay

36:44like that . High fiber or high fat . But

36:49fat for a diet seems

36:51contradictory , right ? We want to lose

36:53fat , right ? Why should we eat fatty

36:55foods ? Well , eat foods with unsaturated

36:58fats .

36:59Okay ,

36:59like that . What are some examples ?

37:01Avocado .

37:03Omega - 3 is really good , right ? Yeah .

37:05That's found in many fatty foods .

37:07Avocado , eggs . Eggs have fat in them

37:09too . Milk , but not milk-flavored drinks

37:12, okay ? Real milk .

37:13Not sweet milk either , right ? No. Not

37:16the viral milk-flavored drinks from

37:18recently , right ?

37:19No.

37:19The ones that are only 2 % milk , that's

37:22not it , 98 % water

37:23and sugar .

37:25Not sweetened condensed milk either ,

37:27just milk , right ? Um , then , um , if we

37:30say like , oh , rice is bad , eating in

37:32Indonesia is hard . Actually , not really

37:35. In Japan , the healthiest people are

37:37in Japan , in Okinawa , they

37:39get 80 % of their food from carbohydrates

37:42, tubers ,

37:42rice , and things like that . So it can

37:44be healthy too . Now , that's what we

37:46need to pay attention to , right ? If you

37:48want to diet first , that's important

37:50for losing weight . But for friends who

37:53might find it hard to gain weight ,

37:55hard to put on weight .

37:56Okay ,

37:57like that . Now , that would definitely

37:58have different recommendations , right ?

38:00We would definitely recommend , wow , you

38:02need high protein , high calories

38:04like that . What foods are high in

38:06protein ? Well , there are animal and

38:07plant-based ones . Animal sources can be

38:09, well , meat , chicken ,

38:11fish . Fish is really good because , once

38:15again , it's high in unsaturated fat and

38:18also high in protein .

38:21And um , it's generally good because it

38:24helps , the way you cook it is also

38:25important , it's already good , fish has

38:27omega - 3 and all that , but it gets fried

38:29in oil that’s been used three times .

38:34A shame .

38:35Exactly , those are the invisible

38:37calories .

38:38That are also dangerous , like .

38:39Invisible calories , yes .

38:41If it's martabak , it's very obvious ,

38:43right ? When it's not obvious , like what

38:45, that looks like fried fish .

38:47Fried fish , you think fish is healthy .

38:49But you can't see the oil .

38:50Yes .

38:51Unless we dab it with a tissue , right ?

38:53Yes . Does that work ? Well , a lot of

38:55people do this . Oh , fried food , like

38:57fried banana , right ?

38:59Oh , so I don't get fat , I'll use a

39:01tissue .

39:02Is that effective ?

39:03It's better .

39:04Oh , it's better , effective .

39:05Compared to not doing it . But it still

39:07absorbs , right ? Yes .

39:08Well , what's absorbed is what we can't

39:10tell , how much is absorbed . Right .

39:12It's not that you can't fry it . But in ,

39:14in my version , Doc . Uh , Doc , what

39:16should I even call you ? If you're a

39:18nutritionist .

39:18Just call me by my name , Fia .

39:20Oh , Fia , okay .

39:21Because she wears a white coat , so the

39:23image is like a doctor .

39:24Nutrition nut , like that .

39:25Nut , right , like that , Nut .

39:28Frying is okay as long as , maybe , Nut ,

39:31please correct me , the oil isn't too

39:33much .

39:35True . And it's fried the first time ,

39:39not the third or tenth time until it's

39:41black , that also matters , right , Fia ?

39:45Yes , yes .

39:48That also matters , and actually there

39:50are many types of dishes that aren't

39:52fried , but they aren't top of mind ,

39:54like pepes fish , fish soup .

39:57It's just that our top of mind is fried

39:59fish .

40:00Grilled fish is already there .

40:01But what I've noticed , uh , Mas .

40:04Now in Indonesia , well , not Indonesia

40:07specifically , but when I order food

40:09online ,

40:10it's really hard to find non-fried food

40:12.

40:12Do you agree ?

40:13I agree . I agree . I agree .

40:15Now , honestly , I am struggling to find

40:17healthy food . Like pepes fish or fish

40:21soup , it's rare .

40:22So what are the options now ?

40:24Fried fish .

40:25Chicken karaage . Dressed in sauce .

40:27Dressed in mentai sauce . Mentai , mentai

40:30.

40:30Rice bowl . Rice bowl , right ?

40:32Rice bowl .

40:33Yes . If not that , it's fried chicken .

40:35Yes .

40:35Okay .

40:36Now , one of the easiest ways is

40:38actually to cook . If you want to lose

40:39weight fast , cook . But not everyone can

40:42cook . So usually for friends who are

40:44like , " Oh , I'm not good at cooking . " I

40:46always recommend , if you want fast

40:48weight loss ,

40:49boil it .

40:49Oh .

40:50So , just make soup where you throw

40:51things in .

40:52Yes . Or steam it , like that . Steamed

40:54fish is actually really delicious .

40:56Yes .

40:56Yes . Yes .

40:58But just throw things in to make some

40:59kind of soup .

41:00Chicken soup is easy to make , right ? Eh

41:02, it's a bit complicated .

41:04The spices are a bit complicated . Soup

41:06is more .

41:06Buying ready-made seasoning is actually

41:08not a problem .

41:10Now , I've been distracted by those

41:12white things Fanny has there . We were

41:14talking about rice and tubers , but

41:16there’s something that looks like a

41:17worm there .

41:19What is it that you brought , Fanny ?

41:21Well , this is arrowroot .

41:23Yes .

41:24Yes , so this arrowroot really is shaped

41:26like ...

41:27like a caterpillar .

41:28Yeah .

41:28It has segments , right , like its body .

41:31When I see this

41:32hold it , hold it , why hold it ?

41:33hold it , hold it

41:34to know the texture , like ginger , right

41:36? No , not ginger , galangal , is it like

41:38ginger ? Galangal .

41:39Galangal , without the — what is this ?

41:42Has it been grated ?

41:42Yes , the skin has been peeled off .

41:44The skin is already peeled , so this is

41:46called arrowroot ; it’s one of the

41:48types of tubers that is rarely

41:49mentioned . We usually only know about

41:53cassava or sweet potatoes , but we

41:54rarely hear about arrowroot .

41:56Underrated .

41:57Underrated , because its shape might be

41:59less appealing . Yeah . Yeah .

42:02And it's rarely processed into fried

42:03snacks . Yeah , yeah . Yeah .

42:05Many people know cassava and sweet

42:06potatoes because of fried snacks , right

42:08.

42:08Even though this is actually very good .

42:10So for those of you who have stomach

42:11problems , whether you've had them since

42:13childhood or they were triggered by

42:15extreme dieting .

42:16Yeah .

42:17You can try consuming this arrowroot

42:19because it is one of the tubers that

42:20has gastroprotective properties .

42:23Okay .

42:23Yeah . So , gastroprotective means it can

42:26help protect and maintain our digestion

42:28to keep it healthy . Reflex .

42:30Like that . Eh , don't , this is raw , this

42:32is raw , this is raw .

42:33It must be boiled first .

42:34Yeah . It can be tried , though .

42:36Don't .

42:36Don't be quick , the taste is quick .

42:38Don't .

42:38It's not poisonous , it's just hard to

42:40chew .

42:40Yeah .

42:40Okay .

42:41Like that , right ? Like cassava , if it's

42:43raw , right ?

42:43Yeah .

42:44It's fibrous , you see .

42:45Fibrous .

42:46Okay . But how do people normally eat

42:50this ? Is it fried ? Is it steamed ?

42:53It's boiled . Well , Mas Eri is the one

42:55who often eats raw arrowroot .

42:56So , eh

42:57arrowroot , right ?

42:58Boiled arrowroot .

42:59Boiled arrowroot . This is an appetizer

43:02snack before what ? First meal in the

43:05morning . Not morning , midday .

43:08The first eating window of the day ,

43:09right . Usually , snack on this first .

43:13Or in the afternoon when you start to

43:15feel a bit hungry but it's still a

43:16while until the last meal , so you snack

43:18on this .

43:19Yeah .

43:19This becomes a snack .

43:21Just snacks . Snack .

43:22Because the calories are low , also the

43:24carbohydrates .

43:25The glycemic index is low .

43:27Correct .

43:27Yeah .

43:28Yeah . So , the glycemic index is a

43:31measure of how much , when we eat

43:33carbohydrates or other foods , how much

43:35it can cause a spike in our blood sugar

43:37.

43:38Yeah .

43:39So the lower it is , the safer it is for

43:42diabetics .

43:43Diabetes , people with diabetes , and the

43:45feeling of fullness lasts longer too .

43:48That’s it .

43:49But if it's that good , why is it

43:51underrated ? I'm curious . I mean ,

43:53there's cassava , there's what , sweet

43:55potatoes are more famous .

43:58Usually , from what I've experienced

43:59myself , the taste might be a bit

44:01strange to some people because it's

44:03fibrous and gets stuck in the teeth for

44:04the original raw product . The original

44:07form .

44:08Or it's also hard to find .

44:10Okay .

44:12Because it's rarely sold anywhere .

44:15Yeah .

44:15Where would you get it ?

44:16Even supermarkets don't really have it .

44:18Like

44:18I'm sure if you just heard of it ,

44:19there's a tuber called Arrowroot .

44:20Yeah . First time hearing it , right ?

44:22Yeah . I didn't even think it was a

44:24tuber , looking at the texture , it was

44:25more like ...

44:26Yeah . Now ,

44:27when you — wait , when it's boiled , does

44:29the texture stay like this , sir ?

44:30A bit soft . A bit soft .

44:32A bit soft . So it's like a potato .

44:34Uh , a bit harder actually .

44:35It's not that soft .

44:36It's not that soft .

44:38So there's still some chewing involved .

44:40And it's fibrous . That's what people

44:42sometimes don't really like , getting

44:43stuck in their teeth .

44:44Yeah . See those fibers right there .

44:46These fibers don't break . And it can

44:50also , uh , make things thicken too . That

44:53might also make it more tiring to chew ,

44:55right ? So , it takes effort to eat this .

44:59Okay .

45:00But this is available in Nutriflakes .

45:02Correct .

45:03Correct . This Arrowroot . Yes .

45:05Yeah . So , instead of the hassle of

45:08chewing and preparing it , now there's

45:09an innovation called Nutriflakes which

45:11tastes

45:13really good .

45:14Yes .

45:15And it's simple and can be brought

45:16anywhere . It doesn't even need to be

45:19brewed with very hot water .

45:21So with warm water , it can dissolve ,

45:23like that .

45:25Okay , so for people who want to try

45:26this Arrowroot for the first time ,

45:30if they don't want to make it

45:31themselves , don't want the hassle , try

45:33Nutriflakes first , is that it ?

45:35Yes . Why do I consume Nutriflakes often

45:38? Because 60 % of the content is

45:42Arrowroot . More than 50 % of the content

45:45is Arrowroot . It's not just 2 % .

45:48It's not just some extract .

45:50Yeah . Not at all . Not at all . Back to

45:52it , it's not a milk-flavored drink .

45:54Oh . No.

45:55It's not Arrowroot flavoring . No. 60 % to

45:5850 % or more is this , the Arrowroot .

46:02Could it be that because of Nutriflakes

46:04, people can't get Arrowroot anymore ?

46:06Yeah . Maybe , maybe .

46:08Yeah . Monopolized by them .

46:11Okay . But , but this Nutriflakes , I've

46:14actually tried it myself several times

46:16before . Uh , but maybe not the matcha

46:19flavor . Matcha .

46:20The one that is , it really feels ,

46:25it feels like the texture is just right

46:27.

46:28Yeah .

46:28Hm .

46:30And the taste , I personally like it

46:32because of the palm sugar , so it's like

46:34eating klepon . The savory aroma of that

46:38palm sugar is really noticeable .

46:40And it's green too , right ?

46:41Green too . Okay .

46:43So , in this , besides the 60 % earlier

46:46what else is in the rest of it ? Uh ,

46:48Cavania .

46:49So , besides arrowroot , there's moringa

46:51leaf too

46:53and it also uses palm sugar here . Yeah .

46:57So it's friendlier for people with

46:58diabetes .

46:59Yes .

47:00Oh , palm sugar is healthier and lower

47:02than granulated sugar .

47:03Yes .

47:04Oh , I see .

47:05Exactly . Yeah ,

47:07but that doesn't mean you can eat as

47:08much as you want .

47:10You still have to control it .

47:12True .

47:12Okay . Now , I've noticed that actually

47:15many authentic Indonesian foods are

47:17healthy . Like , Indian ,

47:20palm sugar . Yes .

47:22A healthier choice .

47:24Yes .

47:24True .

47:25A lot .

47:26We don't have trouble finding healthy

47:27food . Why ? Because Indonesia is blessed

47:30with very fertile soil . Yes .

47:34So we can grow a lot of plants or foods

47:36that have many

47:39benefits .

47:40Benefits , right . It's just that

47:43we manage them sometimes not wisely

47:45enough .

47:46Yeah . Right . Lazy .

47:48Lazy . And we also don't move enough .

47:51That's it .

47:53If people who are on a diet consume

47:55this Nutriflakes , is it

47:58healthy and is it allowed ?

48:00It's actually really good .

48:01Really good .

48:02Really good . Because , like I said

48:04before , at the beginning , you asked

48:06what's good food for people on a diet ,

48:08right ?

48:09And I mentioned it earlier . First , if

48:11you really want to lose weight ,

48:13especially in your diet , look for food

48:14that keeps you full for a long time .

48:16Yeah .

48:17So we can control the calories , don't

48:18eat too much , because usually we get

48:20triggered to eat when we're hungry .

48:22So , we look for something filling .

48:24Now , this arrowroot , because it is

48:28a tuber that is high in fiber , it can

48:30make us feel full longer . So , the

48:33energy is slow release .

48:35True .

48:35Right .

48:37Or , for me , before eating , my first

48:39meal of the day is usually at 11:00 AM .

48:42Before that , I drink one serving of

48:44this . So when I start eating 15 or 20

48:48minutes later , a small portion

48:52is enough .

48:53Okay .

48:54So I feel full . Sometimes , you know , "

48:56Is this portion all I get ? " because I'm

48:58on a diet .

48:59How can that be filling ?

49:00Right .

49:01So , afterwards , you end up snacking on

49:03bread , snacking on this , snacking on

49:05that . It's useless to eat a small

49:08portion if the snacking becomes a lot .

49:09With this , the stomach is kept calm

49:11first . Eating a little is enough to

49:14feel full . Okay , I noticed one word

49:17here . I see it very often .

49:19Yeah .

49:20What is this Psyllium husk ?

49:22It seems like I see this text so often

49:24in

49:26diet-related things .

49:28True . So , this Psyllium husk is also a

49:31fiber source from the Nutriflakes

49:32product .

49:33Okay .

49:34So it is indeed widely available

49:35because it is a soluble fiber . Actually

49:38, there is a little insoluble fiber too

49:40, but it is mostly soluble fiber . Well ,

49:43when we consume it , it can form a gel

49:45inside the stomach .

49:48Going back to the keyword fiber ,

49:50it makes you feel full because it

49:52absorbs water and it helps improve

49:54digestion

49:55like that . It cannot be absorbed in the

49:57small intestine , then it enters the

49:59large intestine and it

50:02helps to soften stool , if we are

50:03talking about bowel movements . So it

50:07helps to improve digestion .

50:10There we go . I am someone who has

50:12irregular bowel movements .

50:14Okay ,

50:15with this , there is psyllium husk . So

50:17it's safe .

50:18Right .

50:19Smooth ,

50:20it can help .

50:21That's it .

50:22Then there is moringa leaf . What is

50:24this moringa leaf for , Sister Fania ?

50:27Well , this moringa leaf is also known

50:29as a miracle leaf . So yeah . Many people

50:33are using moringa too , right . Currently

50:36, these local products . Because it is

50:38high in antioxidants , high in

50:40flavonoids , and high in vitamins too .

50:41It has many vitamins and minerals .

50:43Okay ,

50:44like that . So what is the purpose of

50:46consuming food high in antioxidants ? It

50:49functions as an anti-inflammatory

50:51thing . So going back , if this is widely

50:54consumed by people who have stomach

50:56acid issues , the strategy Mas Eri used

50:58earlier

51:00is also used during Ramadan .

51:02Because many people , when fasting in

51:04Ramadan , break their fast and

51:06immediately binge-eat everything . So ,

51:07many break their fast with Nutriflakes

51:09first .

51:10Why ? Because at that time our stomach

51:12acid is high .

51:12Right .

51:13And it has the potential for irritation

51:14. If you immediately eat food high in

51:16coconut milk , there's a lot , right .

51:18Oh , fried foods .

51:19Fried foods can injure the stomach . So ,

51:21many outsmart it by using Nutriflakes

51:24first so the stomach is calm before

51:25starting

51:27a heavy meal .

51:28Okay .

51:28And by doing that , the heavy meal

51:30portion can be limited because your

51:31eyes aren't hungry ; you're already full

51:33.

51:33True . Already full . Not hungry just by

51:35looking . Yeah .

51:36So you can control the amount to

51:38support a calorie deficit .

51:41So there are indeed

51:43a lot of benefits , right . Especially

51:45for friends who want to diet but have

51:47stomach problems .

51:48That's it .

51:48How often do you yourself , Mas Eri ,

51:51consume Nutriflakes ?

51:52If I'm working outside and don't have

51:54time for breakfast at home , it's 11:00

51:56AM as mentioned earlier . My first meal

51:58is at 11:00 AM . If I don't have time , I

52:00always bring this . Because when eating

52:02out , we can't control what's on the

52:04menu .

52:04Right . Whatever we find .

52:06Yeah .

52:06Have some Nutriflakes first .

52:08Okay .

52:08Securing the stomach first .

52:10I'm curious . Earlier you said it's

52:12consumed

52:13Yeah .

52:14before a heavy meal .

52:15Yeah .

52:16Yeah .

52:16So that the stomach acid is safer .

52:19Yeah .

52:19Can we consume it , for example , when

52:21our acid reflux is acting up or we're

52:23feeling unwell ? Can it be consumed then

52:25?

52:25It can .

52:26Oh , I see . Like when it flares up and

52:28feels really uncomfortable . It can ,

52:31because , as mentioned , it contains

52:33arrowroot . Actually , rather than just

52:36for weight loss , arrowroot is much more

52:38focused on protecting the stomach .

52:40That gastroprotective effect .

52:43Gastroprotective , because arrowroot is

52:45high in starch .

52:47It's high in starch , and its

52:49polysaccharides can form a mucosal

52:51barrier that coats the area . What's

52:53that ? We don't really understand that

52:55part . What is that ?

52:57Okay , slow down , slow down , slow down .

53:00Just like skin has a skin barrier ,

53:02the stomach has what's called a mucosal

53:04barrier .

53:05It protects the stomach lining from

53:07irritation . Because what causes our

53:09stomach pain is when there’s too much

53:11acid production .

53:13And

53:13it erodes .

53:14Yes . Until the acid erodes the stomach

53:16lining .

53:18Now , arrowroot can help

53:20to coat that stomach lining , and

53:22because it has moringa and other

53:23ingredients , it’s anti-inflammatory .

53:25When inflammation has already occurred ,

53:27it can help to soothe it . Yes .

53:29So , I have many stories where , before I

53:32started promoting Nutriflakes often ,

53:34people would see it . And then , many

53:37shared that when their GERD was so bad

53:39they were hospitalized and couldn’t

53:41keep any food down — everything they

53:43ate came back up —

53:44they were able to consume Nutriflakes .

53:47Wow .

53:47So , for a period of time , maybe around

53:49two weeks to a month , until they were

53:51slowly reintroduced to regular food and

53:53their stomach could digest again , they

53:55consumed Nutriflakes first . So yes , it

53:58is possible . But again , listen to your

54:00body , because everyone is different .

54:02You can try it out first .

54:03Like that . And in the WhatsApp groups

54:06from before , which don't exist anymore .

54:07So don't ask , " Sis , can you add me to

54:09the group ? " It’s not there . It

54:11doesn't exist now . It’s gone . At that

54:13time ,

54:14first , when someone wanted me to

54:16monitor their diet , my first question

54:18was , " What health issues do you have ? "

54:21I asked that because the approach or

54:22treatment is definitely different if

54:24they have acid reflux . " I have

54:27hypertension , I take medication

54:28regularly , I have diabetes , " that all

54:31matters , right ?

54:32When they replied , " I have problems

54:34with acid reflux , Sis , " I’d say , "

54:36Okay , let's fix the acid reflux first ;

54:39don't just jump into calorie deficits

54:41or intermittent fasting , fix it first . "

54:44Use Nutriflakes .

54:47Wow , I'm curious too because now this

54:49matcha , is this a new flavor ?

54:51A new flavor , correct , a new flavor ,

54:53and it’s in sachet packaging . Oh ,

54:56sachets .

54:56Sachets , indeed . Nutriflakes in sachets

55:00.

55:03Should we try it right now ? Should we

55:04just

55:05brew it ? Brew it , brew it . Brew .

55:07Okay .

55:08Now , this matcha is actually more

55:09targeted for people who want to lose

55:11weight .

55:12Oh , is it because it contains matcha ?

55:14Exactly .

55:15So matcha can be for dieting , right ?

55:16Yes , it can . So matcha is high in

55:19catechins .

55:19What is that ?

55:20Or is it something else ? It’s a

55:22compound , a compound inside the uh tea ,

55:24this tea leaf .

55:25Tea leaf . So regular tea has it too ,

55:27but it's highest in matcha .

55:28Okay .

55:30So , it can help with weight loss , like

55:32that .

55:33But for those who like drinking lattes ,

55:35is that not allowed ?

55:37It's allowed , as long as you don't use

55:39sugar .

55:39Yeah . That needs to be watched , usually

55:41, matcha lattes are delicious because

55:43the milk is mixed with various things ,

55:45and then there's sugar , and what else ?

55:47But if it's just the matcha ,

55:49it's totally safe . Let's try this now .

55:52Let's try it on .

55:53Because I haven't tried the matcha one

55:55yet .

55:55Have you already ?

55:56I have , I have .

55:58Honestly , I didn't expect it to be this

56:00good when I first tried it .

56:01Yeah , yeah . Okay .

56:03Let's give it a try . But it does taste

56:05more like a matcha latte because it has

56:07a sweet taste too .

56:08Uh-huh .

56:08Okay , like that .

56:09But it still has palm sugar in it ,

56:11right ?

56:11Yes , it does . Still .

56:13Okay . Basically , it has a bit of a

56:15local flavor mix .

56:16Yes . The local wisdom is still there .

56:18Still there .

56:19It is . Yeah , yeah .

56:21It also contains asam gelugur ; this

56:23matcha variant also has asam gelugur

56:25content .

56:26Asam gelugur .

56:27Yes . That's new , right ?

56:28Yeah .

56:29There are a lot of new terms here .

56:31Uh , let's ask about them 5 minutes

56:32before we finish .

56:33Okay . There is , there is .

56:35What is asam gelugur ? Adaia is asking .

56:38Okay . What was asam gelugur for again ?

56:41Okay . Okay .

56:42Yes .

56:43But what was the asam gelugur for ?

56:45Asam gelugur also , again , can help with

56:47weight loss . So , the research on humans

56:49isn't extensive yet . But there is a lot

56:53of research on , uh , rats , like animal

56:55research . That this asam gelugur

56:58contains a substance called HCA or

57:00hydroxycitric acid .

57:03Now , this HCA content can directly

57:05target the acetyl-CoA . Acetyl-CoA is

57:09very important for this — if you

57:10studied biology in high school , maybe

57:12you remember what that is ? Essentially ,

57:16it can inhibit fat formation or

57:18lipogenesis .

57:20Now , to put it simply , if we talk about

57:22obesity , the definition isn't just

57:24being overweight ,

57:26but it's full of , uh , accumulation ,

57:28excess fat accumulation . That's the

57:30real definition of obesity from the WHO

57:32. So , this HCA can help to inhibit fat

57:36formation .

57:38Hmm .

57:39Like that . Okay ,

57:41so that's also good for extra support .

57:44But it doesn't mean this is a fat

57:45burner or anything ; it's different .

57:47Okay .

57:48So , do not treat this as a fat burner

57:50medication . Perhaps if Mas Eri was

57:51previously given medicine in certain

57:53programs , there are a lot of vitamins

57:55there . There are fat burners , this fat

57:57thing , that thing , and this thing . Well

57:59, this is not

58:00this .

58:00But , are fat burners like that actually

58:02real ?

58:02Yes , they are .

58:03Oh , they really exist .

58:04They really exist . It's just that , as a

58:06nutritionist , I am quite saddened to

58:08see them sold freely .

58:10It should be through a doctor's

58:12prescription . Why ? Even I as a

58:14nutritionist cannot give out fat

58:15burners . I am not supposed to . Unless I

58:17were a dietician .

58:18I am a nutritionist , so unless I'm a

58:20registered dietician . Even then , it

58:21usually requires a doctor's approval .

58:23Why ? Because our bodies are very

58:25complex , right ? So we need to know the

58:28underlying conditions first and so on

58:30to be safer . But this is safe because

58:32it is in the form of a supplement . It

58:34helps

58:36us to , um , reach the goals we want .

58:39And is it considered herbal , like the

58:41garcinia atroviridis ?

58:42That's right .

58:43Garcinia atroviridis is also from a

58:45plant .

58:45It's a plant , right ?

58:47Okay .

58:47So this can be called , um , what is it ?

58:50On average , even the ingredients I see

58:52are all natural .

58:53Natural , herbal , no flavorings , right ?

58:57It's palm sugar flavor , right ? Uh , no .

59:00No.

59:01That's right , not milk flavoring again .

59:04I keep mentioning that over and over

59:06today .

59:07It is annoying , that milk thing is

59:08really annoying .

59:09This is authentic , that's why .

59:11This , this is all authentic .

59:13Okay , let me check a few things .

59:16Because when I check , um , even the

59:18ingredients , right ? Yeah .

59:20It's very simple .

59:21True , true , true . At first I thought ,

59:23you know , sometimes food products are

59:25like that .

59:26There are some we think are simple , but

59:28when we see the composition .

59:29Oh , this is

59:32arrowroot flour , palm sugar , and a

59:34special herb . Yes , there's that special

59:36ingredient again .

59:37Creamer , flour , moringa leaf , goat milk

59:39. Goat milk .

59:40Oh , yes . Now , you mentioned earlier

59:42that drinking milk often triggers acid

59:44reflux . Yes .

59:45Perhaps you need to check if you are

59:46lactose intolerant or not .

59:48But if you turn out not to be lactose

59:50intolerant , you can try consuming

59:51Nutriflak . Because this Nutriflak uses

59:54Etawa goat milk .

59:56It is safer for the stomach compared to

59:58the regular cow's milk we consume . So ,

1:00:01many people have a reaction when they

1:00:03drink cow's milk . But when they drink

1:00:05Etawa goat milk , they are perfectly

1:00:06fine .

1:00:07Okay ,

1:00:07that's it .

1:00:08Now , it's finally here .

1:00:09Wow .

1:00:11Yeah .

1:00:13Oh , right .

1:00:13Here . A live reaction , right ? A live

1:00:16reaction .

1:00:16Ready .

1:00:17It's just right , it's 11:00 AM now .

1:00:19It's my eating time .

1:00:20We've been doing this often .

1:00:22Uh , composition-wise , the water is

1:00:24correct , right ? Or is it too much or

1:00:26not ? This

1:00:26is correct . It should be correct . Yeah ,

1:00:28it should be correct . But this form is

1:00:31the liquid one , right . It's more liquid

1:00:33, actually . It has two textures .

1:00:35Amazing , right , magic . So it can be

1:00:37liquid , or it can be thicker .

1:00:39Thicker .

1:00:39If you guys want more of a feeling of

1:00:41fullness ,

1:00:43it's better thick .

1:00:44Better thick . If brewed with hot water ,

1:00:46boiling water , it will thicken

1:00:48immediately . So like porridge

1:00:49hot water . It doesn't become like a

1:00:51drink , it becomes like a meal , you know

1:00:53. Yeah . The psyllium is liquid .

1:00:55Yes .

1:00:55Yes . Because there's psyllium and the

1:00:57arrowroot starch earlier , right .

1:00:59Okay .

1:00:59So that's how the texture is .

1:01:01Okay , let's try it , guys .

1:01:02Yeah . Hm

1:01:07hmm . Okay . This is the original , right ?

1:01:09Original .

1:01:10The matcha one hasn't been tried yet ,

1:01:11right ? Exactly , right ?

1:01:12Not yet . Not yet .

1:01:14It's coming in .

1:01:15Okay .

1:01:16Oh , this is the matcha one . Okay .

1:01:20Yes , correct . This is the original .

1:01:22I've already drunk this one .

1:01:24You've already drunk it ?

1:01:25I have .

1:01:25It's familiar , right .

1:01:26Very familiar . That's why earlier the

1:01:28colors were both green .

1:01:30I'm drinking this . Wait .

1:01:32Is my tongue acting up today or what ?

1:01:34Don't drink it straight away , smell the

1:01:36aroma first , try .

1:01:37Wow .

1:01:39Got it .

1:01:39See , he's smiling immediately .

1:01:41Approved .

1:01:42Approved , right .

1:01:43Okay .

1:01:48Okay .

1:01:48It's tasty .

1:01:49Tasty .

1:01:50Right ?

1:01:50It's tasty .

1:01:52Yeah . I actually prefer this one over

1:01:54the original .

1:01:54Yeah , right ? My preference is this one ,

1:01:56it's like more ...

1:01:57more , uh , what is it ?

1:02:00More pleasant to drink , modern .

1:02:02The aftertaste of the tea doesn't

1:02:03disappear immediately , it sticks in the

1:02:05mouth , right .

1:02:06Yes . I

1:02:07can still taste the tea .

1:02:08Yes . Maybe in my opinion , if , for

1:02:11example , friends who prefer cereal-like

1:02:14flavors , that's suitable for the

1:02:17uh , regular one . But if you're the type

1:02:20who likes cute drinks , drinks

1:02:23like this , trendy drinks , then matcha

1:02:25is the one .

1:02:25Really tasty .

1:02:28Now , for those of you who want to try

1:02:30to meet your fiber needs , this matcha

1:02:32one has quite high fiber .

1:02:347 grams if I'm not mistaken , right ?

1:02:36Higher than the original .

1:02:38Should be higher than the original . Let

1:02:40me check first . I

1:02:43the original has fiber of . Oh yeah .

1:02:48Yeah , the original is 2 grams . While

1:02:50this one , it has 7 grams of fiber .

1:02:53Oh yeah , yeah , it's bigger , right .

1:02:55The fiber is 7 grams . Now , does anyone

1:02:57here know roughly ?

1:02:58Wait , we'll chat after .

1:03:00It's clear who's hungry .

1:03:03Now , does anyone here know , uh , how

1:03:05much fiber is needed ? How much fiber is

1:03:09needed by humans in general ,

1:03:11every day ?

1:03:12In one day .

1:03:13Yes . Set in one day .

1:03:15Mm . I I don't know either .

1:03:18I might just guess the answer .

1:03:19This is a pop quiz . Just try , just try ,

1:03:21just try . This is 7 grams . 7 .

1:03:24uh 20 .

1:03:2520 .

1:03:2622 .

1:03:28Almost .

1:03:29Oh , almost .

1:03:30More or less 28 grams on average . Men

1:03:32and women are actually different , but

1:03:34for easy remembering , let's say 28

1:03:36grams .

1:03:37So , if for example we consume um

1:03:40fiber , if we are lacking it , because 90

1:03:43% of Indonesians lack fiber . True .

1:03:45Agreed .

1:03:46Correct . When we eat fried rice , what

1:03:48vegetables are in it ?

1:03:49Right .

1:03:50Right ?

1:03:50Just rice .

1:03:52Rice is 80-90 % carbs .

1:03:54True . We rarely eat vegetables or

1:03:56fruits , even though we have plenty ,

1:03:58right ?

1:03:58Yes . When we eat fried chicken , the

1:04:00fiber is just a garnish , right ? Maybe

1:04:02just three slices of cucumber .

1:04:04True . Well , instead of drinking trendy

1:04:07drinks that are high in sugar and

1:04:08calories , which make it hard to support

1:04:10a diet . If you consume this Nutriflex

1:04:13Matcha , at least a quarter ,

1:04:1425 % , right ? 7 grams out of 28 grams is

1:04:17already met . So it can help save up bit

1:04:20by bit . If you have it twice a day ,

1:04:23that's 14 grams . Yeah .

1:04:25But at least a quarter is enough , it's

1:04:27really okay . The rest we fulfill from

1:04:29real food .

1:04:30Eat vegetables , eat fruits .

1:04:32Okay . Now , Kavania mentioned earlier

1:04:36that Nutriflex can be used or consumed

1:04:38before exercise . True .

1:04:42And after exercise for those whose

1:04:44stomachs might not agree with fiber .

1:04:46Yes .

1:04:47Like that , right ? A bit sensitive to

1:04:49fiber .

1:04:50I saw a purple Nutriflex earlier . There

1:04:52is one .

1:04:52With a picture of someone exercising .

1:04:54Is this ...

1:04:54Is it actually available ?

1:04:56Ah , yes . This is the new one , I have

1:04:58one with a person exercising .

1:04:59What is this ?

1:05:02Right . This is NFX Move .

1:05:04So it's really brand new . Fresh from

1:05:06the oven . I just found out about this

1:05:08last month too . This is formulated for

1:05:11active people .

1:05:13Okay .

1:05:14And it doesn't have to be active sports

1:05:16, but also those with busy daily

1:05:17activities .

1:05:18He .

1:05:19Those sitting in front of laptops in

1:05:20the office are also suitable to drink

1:05:22this . So it's a three-in-one action . A

1:05:27cereal of sorts , a supplement to help

1:05:29maintain bone and joint health .

1:05:31H.

1:05:32Like that . And also muscles . Now , the

1:05:35main ingredients in this Nutriflex

1:05:37still use arrowroot .

1:05:38Heh , this is still here too ? Still here

1:05:41.

1:05:41Arrowroot . Correct . Arrowroot .

1:05:43There is also psyllium husk .

1:05:45Okay .

1:05:45But what distinguishes it is that it

1:05:47has collagen and chondroitin .

1:05:50Okay . What is chondroitin ?

1:05:51We already know collagen , right ?

1:05:53Collagen is , you know . Collagen , yes .

1:05:55Well , collagen is also good for the

1:05:57skin . Well , besides for the skin ,

1:05:59collagen is actually also good for

1:06:00recovery .

1:06:01Oh ,

1:06:01is that so ? Maybe many of our friends

1:06:04often exercise , cycle , or play golf .

1:06:06Sometimes our joints also run , like

1:06:08that . GL glut glut feel glut

1:06:11the same . Oh , this one , right ?

1:06:14Often feels stiff , achy , right ? Well ,

1:06:16this can help with recovery because it

1:06:18contains what I mentioned earlier ,

1:06:20okay

1:06:20collagen , glucosamine , and chondroitin .

1:06:22But if I drink this , do I get a glowing

1:06:24bonus too ? Because there's

1:06:26Amen .

1:06:28Okay . Okay .

1:06:29Let's just say amen to that . Maybe

1:06:30there will be a Nutriflex Skinc later ,

1:06:32I think .

1:06:32Oh , Nutriflex .

1:06:33Nutriflex Beauty .

1:06:34Oh yeah , I think so .

1:06:36Nutriflex Glow .

1:06:37Nutri .

1:06:37Yes , that's possible .

1:06:38Eventually , it will be like Aldi Taher ,

1:06:40right ?

1:06:40Oh

1:06:40this Aldi . That Aldi . This Aldi .

1:06:43Now let's try it right away . The taste

1:06:45is unique , isn't it ? Mixberry .

1:06:47Exactly .

1:06:47I think this is the first time I've

1:06:49seen this .

1:06:50Yeah , this is my first time too .

1:06:54Now , this is one of the Nutriflex

1:06:55products that I prefer when it's cold .

1:06:58Oh .

1:06:58Right . So , we made it with a shaker

1:07:00back then .

1:07:01Okay ,

1:07:01using a shaker , with ice . Then like

1:07:03making a protein shake ,

1:07:05like that .

1:07:06Very refreshing . But this is good when

1:07:08it's warm too . Let's try it .

1:07:11Hmm . This is okay , the berry flavor is

1:07:16more dominant .

1:07:18I think it's very dominant for the

1:07:20taste .

1:07:20But it’s like there’s cereal in it ,

1:07:21right ? There’s some cereal in it ,

1:07:23right ?

1:07:23Van .

1:07:24There is . Now ,

1:07:26it has those little bits . Yeah . Little

1:07:28bits .

1:07:29Yes . When I drank it cold , it didn't

1:07:31really feel like that . But this warm

1:07:33one really makes you feel those little

1:07:35bits .

1:07:35Oh , I think I can skip lunch today

1:07:37because I've had three glasses .

1:07:38Already three glasses ,

1:07:39already 2.5 glasses of Nutriflex .

1:07:42Yes , 2.5 glasses of Nutriflex .

1:07:44Like that . Now , this is also high in

1:07:46antioxidants and anti-inflammatory to

1:07:49help us recover , and

1:07:50so it doesn't take long if there's DOMS

1:07:52or joint pain and so on , no . Yes . Yes ,

1:07:55true , true , true . It's also good for

1:07:57those who might be starting to age ,

1:07:59those 45 years and up .

1:08:01Old , just say old . I

1:08:03I'm already 42 . No need . He said must

1:08:06be aging-aging . Old .

1:08:0745 years and up .

1:08:08Okay . Still not there , right ? Not

1:08:10included yet , right ?

1:08:11Not yet . Especially since the age is 30

1:08:13,

1:08:13it went down to 31 now .

1:08:15Already , already , already my age ,

1:08:16brother .

1:08:17Yes . Yes . Okay .

1:08:18But I , since I started running , it went

1:08:19down too , you know . At first , I was 28 ,

1:08:21but my body age was 29 . After running

1:08:24for 3 months , now it's 24 . The

1:08:25metabolism is good .

1:08:28Let's run with us .

1:08:29Ready , ready , ready .

1:08:31Run with Nutriflex Move .

1:08:32We

1:08:34that's perfect to be the tagline .

1:08:37That's it .

1:08:38I think we could host a half-marathon

1:08:40event later . Nutriflex Move , right .

1:08:42I think

1:08:43we'll be the ones running there , right ?

1:08:45Ready .

1:08:45Ready .

1:08:47I'm curious . This is perhaps one last

1:08:50question for Kavania and also Mas Eri .

1:08:52Okay ,

1:08:54I'm curious about how friends here who

1:08:56might be wanting to diet or are in the

1:08:58process of dieting

1:09:02can incorporate this Nutriflex into

1:09:04their

1:09:06diet program . Regardless of the diet

1:09:08they have that suits them ,

1:09:09whether it's intermittent fasting , or

1:09:11others .

1:09:12How does that work ?

1:09:13Okay . Well , I actually often consider

1:09:16Nutriflex a healthy snack .

1:09:19Hm . So it's really suitable for any

1:09:21diet , usually , except for very extreme

1:09:23intermittent fasting . But if it's not

1:09:26extreme , it can definitely be used to

1:09:28break it . So before they have a big

1:09:30meal , they can consume Flex first so

1:09:32they don't get reckless and end up

1:09:34overeating .

1:09:34Because , going back , intermittent

1:09:36fasting works because a calorie deficit

1:09:38occurs there .

1:09:38Yeah .

1:09:39Like that . Now , for friends who are

1:09:44more focused on a balanced diet without

1:09:46any specific diet , this can be consumed

1:09:48in the morning as breakfast . Maybe when

1:09:53we're busy , rushing around and

1:09:55everything . It comes in sachets , so

1:09:57just put it in your bag , then just make

1:09:59it at the office or on the road , just

1:10:01use warm water , it's fast to make . Or

1:10:04it can be a filler snack in the

1:10:05afternoon , which is a long time . Last

1:10:07meal is usually at 12:00 PM

1:10:09eating again at 6:00 PM . So , there's a

1:10:11gap of about 6 hours .

1:10:13Instead of eating weird stuff , just eat

1:10:15something certain . And the calories are

1:10:17all measured , too . So it can fit into a

1:10:19calorie deficit program

1:10:20or before exercising . Before or after

1:10:22exercising

1:10:23PW , so a pre-workout

1:10:26like that . Now , but for friends whose

1:10:27stomachs are sensitive , maybe eating

1:10:29fiber makes their stomach feel

1:10:30uncomfortable . Well , it can just be

1:10:31consumed after exercising . Because

1:10:33usually when we finish exercising ,

1:10:34especially running .

1:10:35We're going to run later , right , Mas

1:10:37Eri ?

1:10:37After running , you don't really feel

1:10:39like eating because your stomach feels

1:10:40full . But you still need to get some

1:10:42food in , otherwise , we'll feel weak ,

1:10:44right ? Well , you can consume Flex .

1:10:46Okay ,

1:10:46like that . So , as mentioned , there are

1:10:49many ways it can be integrated , just

1:10:50try which one is most suitable , which

1:10:52one can ultimately be sustained in the

1:10:54long term . See this as a support for

1:10:58them to live a healthier life . I see .

1:11:01Wow , that's really cool . Really cool ,

1:11:04Mas Eri . I'm curious . So , for friends

1:11:06here who

1:11:07uh are also inspired by Mas Eri's story

1:11:11and they also want to have a healthier

1:11:13lifestyle , and want to diet too .

1:11:17What is one tip from Mas Eri for them ?

1:11:21The tip is to realize that being

1:11:23overweight is not okay . Believe me , it

1:11:28is definitely not okay . I know you fear

1:11:33medical check-ups , fear check-ins , and

1:11:35fear leaving your comfort zone , your

1:11:36obesity , but please don't burden others

1:11:38when you get sick , when you pass away ,

1:11:44you are still being given time to

1:11:45change , so let's change and discover

1:11:47the miracles once you have transformed .

1:11:50The discussion today was absolutely

1:11:51extraordinary . Thank you so much , Mas

1:11:54Eri . So much for being here today .

1:11:56I am sure that those of you here who

1:11:58are looking to diet , or are currently

1:12:00on a diet program , definitely got many

1:12:02interesting insights today . For those

1:12:04who want to watch other podcasts with

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1:12:09I'll see you on the next episode .