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0:00The V in viral stands for visual shock.

0:04So if your video is not visual, it's not

0:07going to go viral.

0:08>> Today I'm talking to Jenny Hoyos, the

0:10number one storyteller on social media.

0:12She has built a YouTube empire with over

0:157 million subscribers and has billions

0:18of views across all her channels. There

0:20is no one that has mastered short form

0:22storytelling like she has.

0:24>> That curiosity gap, that is everything.

0:26If an idea doesn't have a curiosity gap,

0:28then there's no reason that the viewers

0:30are going to watch.

0:31>> In this video, we break down her formula

0:33to make any idea go viral, the

0:35storytelling structure behind most of

0:37her unforgettable videos, and her number

0:39one tip to become a magnetic

0:42storyteller. Whether you're creator,

0:44entrepreneur, or speaker, this one will

0:46change how you tell stories forever.

0:49>> So, I remember in one of the videos you

0:50said that you could make any video or

0:53any idea go viral. What makes a good

0:56story for you?

0:58>> A good story for short form content is

1:03not one that is fast. Cuz I find a lot

1:06of people start trying to stuff in a

1:08bunch of information and just talk

1:09really fast. Rather, a good story is one

1:13that doesn't have many story beats and

1:15has just the relevant ones to get to the

1:18end of your story. Usually, you have a

1:20goal in the you set out for a goal in

1:22the beginning. you have a problem that

1:23needs to get resolved and you only

1:25include the very few story beats that

1:27are relevant to answer that question.

1:30>> And what entails a story beat? Is that

1:32like a challenge and a resolution or

1:34what does that entail?

1:37>> Yeah, the the way I think about it

1:39actually so I actually have a framework.

1:40So it would be much easier if I just uh

1:43say what those what those are. So uh

1:46it's a new one I came up with like two

1:48months ago and it has been working in

1:50every video. So, super easy to remember.

1:53It's the acronym viral. The V in viral

1:56stands for visual shock.

2:00>> So, if your video is not visual, it's

2:02not going to go viral. It needs to be

2:04visual. And it doesn't matter what niche

2:06you're in. If you're in in an

2:07entertainment niche, then I'm hoping

2:09it's you're doing some sort of visual

2:10challenge or some sort of uh visual

2:13story. And if you're in an educational

2:15niche, try to find a visual analogy,

2:18whether that's like with marbles or if

2:20you're using like for example the blue

2:22ocean strategy. It's a marketing

2:23strategy and it's very visual because

2:25you think about a fisherman and there's

2:27fish and there's a blue and red ocean.

2:28Like it it visualizes it. So number one,

2:31it needs to be visually engaging, but it

2:35needs to start with a visual shock

2:37element.

2:38>> Um and then after that immediately start

2:42the video. You want to start these short

2:44form videos. Unlike movies where they

2:46have to give us context and the why and

2:49the motivation of the character, with

2:51short form content, you have to get

2:53right in to the juice, the peak action

2:56like at the we're almost at the climax

2:59already. That's where the video should

3:00start.

3:01>> Uh so immediately and immediately start

3:03the video. So not giving context. And

3:06then the R is rising action. We need

3:08tension. So what's the question? What's

3:10the problem? Tell us it. The A is

3:13anticipation. You don't want to give the

3:15answer immediately. You want to give us

3:17little hints and clues and puzzle

3:19pieces. And the L, a lasting payoff. You

3:22want to make a concise ending that

3:24concisely answers the question. And the

3:26answer or if you're asking a question in

3:28the beginning of the video, like what's

3:292 plus two? The last word you say in the

3:31video needs to be four. If you say four

3:34and make sure to people are going to

3:35leave because they they heard four and

3:37then they're going to leave. So, if

3:38you're going to ask for some sort of

3:40call to action, uh, part of that lasting

3:42payoff is to say it before you give the

3:45answer.

3:47>> That's fascinating and so easy to

3:49remember with viral. Can we go

3:51>> so easy to remember? Yeah.

3:53>> So easy. Can we go a little bit deeper

3:54into some of those components and you

3:56give our listeners some some of the tips

3:58on how to master each one of the steps?

4:01>> So, if we start off with for example the

4:04first one visual.

4:06>> Yes. Yes.

4:06>> And if we think of let's say someone

4:09typical in the educational space, let's

4:12say I'm a I'm a life coach and I some

4:14want to make some videos about that. How

4:16could I start for example with a an

4:18enticing visual at the start?

4:21>> Yeah. So there's either two ways of

4:24doing it, which is like using an actual

4:26study of something. So if it's like a a

4:29research study and showing like um like

4:32the the results or bar graph or if it's

4:35not then giving some sort of analogy of

4:38what it looks like. So for example, I've

4:40seen um I I there's so many different

4:43life coaches that have done this type or

4:45psychologists that have done these

4:46videos and I can't I wish I could find

4:48it to show it, but usually they'll start

4:50with like a bowl of of uh a specific

4:53color. So, let's say it's like blue and

4:55then they'll have a glass that has like

4:58uh red water. So, there's blue water and

5:00red water. And they'll usually say,

5:02"Okay, this blue water is is you." And

5:04this red water is someone giving you um

5:07telling you something bad. Now, even if

5:09they just say something small, your

5:12water is still blue, but it's it's going

5:14to um it's going to be turning a

5:16different color. And no matter if you

5:18add more blue water to it, it's going to

5:20take a lot more blue water to turn it

5:21from purple back to its original blue.

5:24So like that's just like a an example.

5:27Um I've seen another great example of a

5:30this is one of the best videos I've ever

5:31seen. This one I I definitely know the

5:33the channel. So you could use this as an

5:35example. Um Gohar Khan is the name of

5:38the channel. He has a video where he has

5:40a jar and he says, "Um,

5:44so if we were to pour sand, rocks, and

5:47golf balls into this jar, in what order

5:49should we pour it in so we can fill it

5:52completely up?" And then the video is

5:53him saying, "Well, let's start with the

5:56sand and putting the rocks." Oh, wait.

5:57There's no space for the golf balls.

5:59Okay, let's do the rocks, then the sand,

6:02then the golf ball. There's still no

6:03space. But if you put the golf balls

6:05first, then the rocks, then the sand,

6:07then there is space. And that's because

6:09the way you should be allocating your

6:11time is by doing the bigger tasks

6:13because that's how you should start your

6:15day. You should start it with that

6:16foundation and then the little tasks

6:17will have space to be filled up at the

6:20end. That was such a great video um

6:22analogy. So just try to always think of

6:25visual analogies.

6:27>> Got it. That's fascinating. Yeah.

6:29Instead of just using the analogy word

6:32for word, you really you paint the scene

6:35by playing it out real life.

6:37>> Yes.

6:37>> And so the second one was immediate

6:39action. I think that's clear just boom,

6:41you start with the momentum. Can you

6:43share a little bit more about the third

6:44one of how can you get that was rising

6:47um what was the third one?

6:49>> Yeah, like rising action rising action.

6:51We need we need to know

6:53>> we need to know what we're watching for.

6:56So I think this one is um this one well

7:01they're actually all just important but

7:03I think people struggle with R and A

7:07which is like what is this conflict?

7:10What is what is this um anticipation as

7:13well? So I think we can combine those.

7:15The way I think about it is we're

7:17immediately so we have that visual

7:19analogy we're immediately starting but

7:21why are we watching until the end?

7:23That's why I think about rising action

7:25like what why are we okay not only is

7:28what are we watching till the end for

7:29but why should we care cuz the question

7:32you you you in theory could do something

7:34like how do I make my coffee okay but

7:37there's no there's nothing like

7:39>> making me intrigued about that yeah

7:41that's a question that that you're going

7:43to give me the answer to but but make us

7:45make us care so is it because um this is

7:50how I make the coffee that keeps me

7:53awake for more than 24 hours. What?

7:55That's insane. Okay, I need to know how

7:57you make that coffee.

8:01>> So, you increase the stakes. What are

8:03your other preferred ways of how do you

8:06make your audience care? That's I guess

8:08one thing is time pressure. What are

8:10some other ways where you feel like this

8:12really um goes well with any audience?

8:17Definitely I would say speaking to them

8:20something I didn't mention on in this

8:22whole framework because it all comes it

8:25you know first comes the idea before we

8:27we even get to this framework of course

8:30um but making them care kind of does

8:33come back to the idea and making sure

8:35that it revolves around them. So

8:37whatever like if you're doing something

8:39in a video are you do you're doing that

8:41to test it for the audience. Um or at

8:44the end of it they're going to get some

8:45sort of value. So you'll make them care

8:47by tapping into what they care about.

8:50Think about what makes them scared, what

8:53is going to excite them. What are their

8:55dreams? What are their um nightmares?

8:59>> Got it. Yeah. So the video should

9:02address something specifically that they

9:04think ah I need to have to solve or this

9:06is what I'm always fear fe feared about

9:09>> 100%. And something I want to add to

9:11that is it's the the wording like the

9:15certain way you word things or the order

9:17of the way you say things makes a huge

9:20difference because you could say two of

9:22the same sentences and they end up

9:24having two different meanings just

9:27because of the way that you rearranged

9:28it. Uh for that reason, that's why you

9:31always want to start your video by

9:34starting with you and then going to me.

9:37So like if if uh recently I saw a video

9:40where someone said that they were

9:41training um to run like a marathon,

9:44right? Instead of starting the video by

9:46saying I'm training to run a marathon,

9:47you want to start by saying here's how

9:49you you should train for your next

9:51marathon because this is what I'm doing.

9:54like just by like a rearranging the the

9:56way you said it and and saying it

9:58exactly like that isn't the most

9:59optimized way but the point is we always

10:01start with them and then talk about you.

10:06>> That is so fascinating because a lot of

10:08creators out there they just talk from

10:09their own experience without including

10:12their audience necessarily.

10:14>> Oh no the best creators always talk

10:15about their audience first. Even someone

10:17like Dan Martell has such a great

10:19formula and all, even in his long form

10:21videos where, for example, if he has a

10:23listical videos of like five tips, he

10:25always says the tip first and tells them

10:27how to apply it. So, it's usually like a

10:29three-step thing where he's like um the

10:32tip, how you apply it, and then his

10:35background and his story um with that

10:37specific experience. So, he's starting

10:39with them.

10:41>> Got it. Okay. Fascinating.

10:45And so raising anticipation is making

10:47them care.

10:51Anything else that you feel this is what

10:54someone definitely has to have in their

10:56story in order for the story to land

10:58really well.

11:00>> Yeah. Uh, another thing that is very

11:02difficult to do which will I I say is

11:04like part of the anticipation stage is

11:07making sure the viewer is understanding

11:10how close like where we are in the

11:12story, how close we are to finishing

11:14because if they feel like there's no end

11:15in sight, then they're just going to

11:17leave cuz they're just going to get

11:19bored. So, we want it we want it to feel

11:21like we are constantly progressing.

11:23Progression is super important. So,

11:26making sure that you are using language

11:28that makes it feel like we're

11:30progressing, like first, second, or um

11:33or even including mechanisms like what I

11:36like to do is um I like to include like

11:39if if the video is is me doing something

11:41in a certain amount of time, I'll have

11:43the timer on screen. If I'm doing a a

11:45recipe, for example, I'll have the

11:47ingredients on the top of the screen and

11:49then I'll check mark as I'm going

11:51through the ingredients so they

11:52understand how close we are to the video

11:54being completed.

11:55>> M got it. That's a good trick one. I'll

11:58try this one.

12:01If you think you've by now probably

12:03analyzed millions of videos.

12:06If you think is are there maybe like

12:08three mistakes that you see are the most

12:10common one that is stopping people from

12:12going viral where you feel like if they

12:14just fix this one thing then it would

12:16make such a big difference.

12:22I I definitely think it's it's selfish

12:27content and it's that people talk about

12:29them and not about the value that the

12:32person's going to get. Um but I think

12:34that all stems from not understanding

12:38their avatar or sometimes not even

12:40having an avatar. So I think it is

12:43really important to know who you are

12:45creating content for and ensuring that

12:48it is a market that has high demand and

12:51low supply because you can be in a

12:54market that has high demand um but

12:56there's a high supply of content

12:58creators creating that content. So you

13:00now can't be like a B like level

13:03creator. you need to be A++ the best at

13:05that niche

13:07>> versus if you're in a niche where uh the

13:10competitors are like creating content at

13:12a C level you being at a B means you're

13:15already the best at than everyone there.

13:17So um I would say knowing your avatar

13:22but also ensuring that you pick an

13:25avatar or a niche or you know those

13:28those things are are similar. If you

13:29pick an avatar then it it typically

13:31falls under a niche. Um, I think it's

13:33super important. I think that's I think

13:35that's that's I've seen creators who

13:38would try to I I've seen uh creators

13:40who've tried to be entertainment

13:42creators and they wouldn't get views

13:43because they're competing against Mr.

13:45Beast and then they niche down.

13:47Actually, I literally have a a friend

13:49that I I've helped. His name is Josh

13:51Krueger. He was he was doing like okay

13:54like in this uh in the entertainment

13:55niche uh basically competing against

13:58like Iraq, Ryan Tran, Mr. beast. But

14:01then he niched down into scootering

14:03content and now he is the best

14:05scootering content creator. Like it's

14:07it's crazy how just switching niches can

14:10make someone instantly go viral.

14:13>> That is fascinating. Yeah, that's so

14:15good to know cuz yeah, if we keep in

14:17mind oftenimes, especially when it comes

14:19to educational content or also business

14:21content right there the bar is

14:24relatively low but if we take the uh

14:26entertainment space it's pretty high. So

14:28if you apply some learnings,

14:30>> wow, fascinating.

14:35>> You talked about idea before.

14:39How can I come up with those viral

14:41ideas?

14:43>> Yeah, there's different ways to do it

14:45and I guess it all comes down to like

14:49what your niche is and you know based on

14:52that you'll know which is the best

14:53option. Like for example, for

14:55entertainment content creators, I would

14:57say that looking for outliers is the

14:59best thing. So essentially going on

15:02YouTube or platforms like view stats and

15:05seeing videos that are performing higher

15:07than average on the person's channel. So

15:09I used to do this all all the time where

15:11you would go and look for small content

15:13creators like less than a thousand

15:15subscribers and have gotten over a

15:16100,000 views on a video.

15:19>> That means their idea whatever they did

15:21was good and you should recreate that.

15:23So that's that's one way and I think

15:24that primarily works for entertainment

15:26content creators but as far as other

15:28creators um I guess it also works for

15:32for niches in a way but then even so the

15:35issue with that is uh if the video has

15:37just come out and you create your own

15:39version how are you going to how are you

15:41going to do better than them or I guess

15:43you'd have to like find like with

15:46entertainment content you can find a

15:47twist but if it's like educational like

15:49what twist are you going to do? I guess

15:52you could try to make the video better,

15:54but anyway, because of that, it's also

15:57good to have your own unique ideas. And

15:59uh my favorite way is actually just

16:02through my own experiences

16:04um or like through content that I am

16:08consuming in other formats like uh books

16:11or TV. Um but I really like trying to

16:15acknowledge like everything that happens

16:16in your real life because everything is

16:19an idea. Um like literally like it's

16:22actually insane how how um everything is

16:25an idea for example

16:28you know how you you let's say waking up

16:31in the morning the first thing you do is

16:32grab your phone that's a hook or do you

16:35is the first thing you do in the morning

16:37do you grab your phone or do you grab

16:38your phone first thing in the morning

16:39boom that's that's a hook um

16:42everything's a hook even putting on your

16:44shoes I saw a relatable video on how

16:46like um instead of untying your shoes.

16:50Does anyone else just like slip them on

16:52and like actually spend longer trying to

16:54put them on with the laces tied than

16:56just untying them and tying them back

16:57on? Like that's that's viral.

17:00>> I think uh trying to acknowledge like

17:02things that happen in your day-to-day is

17:04really good because it happens to other

17:06people too and it probably hasn't been

17:08created yet.

17:12When people think of storytelling, they

17:13often think that it has to have this

17:15challenge that you or this mission that

17:17you stayed up front where like hey over

17:20the next 3 days I'm going to cut out all

17:23all the carbs in my life or I'm going to

17:25not going to look at my phone. People

17:27think that this is the way how they

17:28create stories. Would you say that this

17:30is how you usually look for ideas? It's

17:32usually those challenges type of videos

17:35or is there a better way? Those are my

17:38favorite stories for sure cuz the reason

17:41why I like those I like for for me

17:43personally is because when I'm going

17:45into it, I don't know what's going to

17:46happen either. So if I don't know what's

17:48going to happen, then the viewers

17:49definitely don't know what's going to

17:50happen. But you can definitely

17:51incorporate storytelling tactics in

17:53videos that don't have those traditional

17:55challengebased stories. It's just a bit

17:58trickier and you have to be more

18:01specific in the way that you are writing

18:03it. I would say

18:06>> if we take those challenge type of

18:09stories. One thing that I struggle with

18:12myself is that oftentimes I want to do a

18:14challenge but it seems like hey how do I

18:16compress that then into a 60-second

18:19video right let's say I go through this

18:20three-day challenge where I'm let's say

18:24I'm trying to speak more articulate and

18:26I'm documenting this but then it feels

18:27like hey how can I put this then in a

18:2960-second video.

18:32Yeah, that for that reason. Actually,

18:34the first thing I'll say is I find that

18:37the best short form challenges last 10

18:40minutes, not even maybe an hour max

18:44because you we don't want to have a lot

18:46of story beats. And if you were to break

18:48it up into three days, unfortunately,

18:50we'd be break

18:54because we don't want that many story

18:55beats. We would probably just say on day

18:58one, I felt three sentences. Day two, I

19:01felt three sentences. Day three, I felt

19:02three sentences. But you can't just

19:04break up an entire day into three

19:07sentences. Um, especially if it's a

19:10challenge, like for example, if the

19:12challenge is like eating a healthy diet,

19:14imagine breaking up on day one, I eat

19:16this for breakfast with this, this,

19:17this, this, this, this, this, this,

19:17this, this, this, this, and that, lunch,

19:19like it's a lot.

19:20>> So, for that reason, I would actually

19:23encourage a a long form video. I

19:26wouldn't even say a short form series. I

19:28know people do short form series. um

19:31those work on Instagram, maybe Tik Tok,

19:34but for YouTube or just short form

19:36content in general, I wouldn't do a

19:38series. In that case, I would just make

19:39a long form.

19:41>> Got it.

19:41>> But yeah, the best challenges, think of

19:43challenges that like last uh like for

19:46short form,

19:48>> they really do need to be short stories.

19:50You need to tell stories that are really

19:52like actually just don't have much going

19:53on.

19:54>> Okay, that's good to know. And so if we

19:57take for example some educational

19:59creators out there, let's say we have

20:00this agency owner or again we have this

20:02life coach. What could be like a

20:0410-minute challenge that they could

20:07record or document?

20:11>> I guess it depends. Like uh I've seen

20:12videos where people make a short where

20:15they try and close a client on a cold

20:17call. Like that's that's a a challenge

20:19they could do. or um

20:23could you give me like a specific niche

20:25that I could think about?

20:26>> Yeah,

20:28let's see. Let's let's stick with life

20:30coaches then for a second. And so, hey,

20:33you are in the niche, let's say, of

20:35helping helping men with confidence.

20:38>> Okay.

20:39>> Very relatable.

20:40>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I I love that. I am uh

20:45almost wondering if there is some sort

20:49of exercise that you can do for

20:52self-confidence or maybe if there are

20:55certain I guess like a

20:59that actually reminds me of a video I

21:01just I just saw of someone like talking

21:04about like how before you do anything

21:07that is is going to be publicly or you

21:09need to be confident like just to like

21:11shake and and and uh be crazy. Have you

21:15heard about that tip?

21:17>> Yeah.

21:17>> How like you just want to like shake

21:18everything off like get all the energy.

21:19>> I do that all the time. Every single

21:21time before podcast before I go on

21:23stage, I shake out my body and I do warm

21:25up routine.

21:26>> Okay, there we go. That that's that's

21:27like a a video or uh testing out. It

21:31could be even actually

21:34because it's not an episodic series. It

21:36could be a non-epodic series where

21:38you're testing out different um warm-up

21:41routines. So, um

21:44yeah, the video could start like that

21:46trying and then blank celebrities uh

21:50warm-up routine before um speaking and

21:53then giving it a rating and then doing

21:54different videos where you give it

21:56different ratings and you don't have to

21:57say that they're they're linked, but

21:59that's a format that's a great format.

22:02>> Um and it's visual because you're you're

22:03you're shaking it all off. Um,

22:08>> but

22:10yeah, I would say challenges don't

22:13always need to be like what is like

22:16typically seen on YouTube where it's

22:18like how long can I hold my breath or

22:21something like that. It doesn't need to

22:22always be like that. Um, a challenge is

22:26ultimately a problem that you want to

22:28resolve.

22:32>> Yeah.

22:33And it can be the smallest problem

22:35possible as long as as it has a visual

22:38hook at the start and some progression

22:41throughout and a lot of twists in there.

22:43And so

22:43>> that they care about. Yeah.

22:44>> That they care about. And so what I hear

22:46from you is don't try to find the super

22:49unique one big challenge because

22:51oftentimes this might be a little bit

22:52too much for those shorts but rather

22:54more those short relatable things that

22:55people ask themselves. Ah I was actually

22:57curious about that.

22:59>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, shorts are are meant

23:04to be short. It's like I feel like a

23:07good example is um I I saw a long form

23:09video where someone it was like an hour

23:11long where someone like went through the

23:14different fruits and the nutrition value

23:16that you get from them and which and

23:17then ranking like basically they did a

23:19tier list of fruits and then they like

23:21explained in thorough each fruit for an

23:24hour.

23:26A short would be um

23:30literally just doing each individual

23:31fruit. Um like the video would be

23:35showing a tier list with with one fruit

23:37of or one fruit of each kind on S

23:39through F and then saying so they

23:42already see which fruits are there. What

23:44tier would we put an app? Oh my

23:46goodness, this is a viral video. Okay.

23:47What? And then showing the the tier list

23:49and hooking with what tier would an

23:51apple go on? Well, it has a lot of

23:53fiber, but it also has a lot of sugar.

23:55And then when you look at the amount of

23:57fat in relative to this and that and

23:59blah blah blah, and then you build it

24:01up. So, so basically, you want to tell

24:03the story where it's like, it has this,

24:04but it's that. It has this, but it has

24:06that. And ultimately, for that reason, I

24:09give Apple a tier. And that's the end of

24:12the video.

24:13>> So, that's that's also like a a

24:15question. I mean, yeah, it's it is kind

24:17of like a it's a challenge. It's like a

24:19game.

24:20>> It's fun. That that's Oh my goodness. I

24:22hope someone does that. I hope someone

24:23does that. That's so good.

24:25>> That would be so fun. Someone after

24:27watching this video is going to do that.

24:29>> Yeah. No, that that's good.

24:33>> That's so cool.

24:35Are there any other ways how I can come

24:37up with those viral video ideas?

24:42Honestly,

24:45I primarily focus on natural experiences

24:49and outliers and I just try to get as

24:52many as I as I can through that. Um,

24:57just writing down everything to be

24:59honest. I mean, of course, the obvious

25:01the obvious thing I haven't mentioned

25:02yet is is AI, but I think the way that I

25:06think about ideiation is there's no

25:08specific tool that's going to give you

25:09the idea. Even AI, AI is not going to

25:12give you the idea. There's a bunch of

25:14these different things that can give you

25:15a tons of ideas. So, you could um you

25:18can share with AI, have it brainstorm a

25:20whole list. But what I what I recommend

25:23is just gathering at least 100 ideas and

25:25picking out one of those 100, the one

25:28idea that people actually care about

25:30that will be able to follow that

25:33framework.

25:34>> Jenny, can you walk us through your

25:36process of using AI for ideiation?

25:40Yeah. So, for one, I use a custom GPT

25:43that I created by essentially uh putting

25:46in like a 50-page SOP, which is a

25:49standard operating procedure, which in

25:51other words, uh for those for those

25:53watching um or listening. So, whenever I

25:58hire someone onto the team, I give them

26:00a 50-page PDF.

26:03It it sounds very long actually for them

26:06where they read through my entire

26:08process. I basically just like in detail

26:11wrote down everything I do from

26:13ideiation, scripting, um filming,

26:15editing. Literally, no matter what

26:17you're doing, you could be an editor and

26:18you're going to learn about my ideation

26:20process because you're also going to be

26:22in the story and you're going to want to

26:23know you're going to want to know the

26:24context and even the ideator. I'm I hope

26:27they understand what the editors are

26:28going going through so that they know

26:30that we don't want to be producing some

26:32sort of crazy thing. We we don't want to

26:34do it in post. We want have to do it

26:36when filming. Anyway, so I have a

26:3850-page thing that explains everything I

26:40do and also more about my avatar, my

26:44mission, vision, uh my goal, and so

26:48that's in my my custom GPT. So, um my

26:53students have the have that as have

26:55access to that as well, which is pretty

26:57cool. But from there um oh because the

27:01GPT doesn't actually have my mission

27:03vision um because I use the same one

27:05that uh all my students use. So I have

27:08the SOP I have the custom GPT then I

27:10give it my avatar my mission I have a I

27:13upload two PDFs. So I have another PDF

27:15two pages actually very short just

27:17explaining my channel and different and

27:19similar channels. Um and then from there

27:23I just ask it to give me viral ideas.

27:26Um, and it'll give me viral ideas, but

27:28ideally you're giving it some sort of of

27:30like topic or some sort of format to

27:33start with. So, for example, I like to

27:35say, give me ideas um that start with

27:38the hook, is it possible to blank or

27:41what happens if blank? Because those are

27:43the type of videos that I I like to do.

27:46>> What happens if is it possible if to

27:49>> Yeah, always questions. I always give it

27:51like um those questions so it knows to

27:54give me an idea that isn't a statement

27:56because sometimes AI will just tell you

27:59like picking an apple out of a tree and

28:01it's like okay what what does that have

28:04to do versus it's like is it possible to

28:07grow an apple tree without a seed like

28:11oh wait what now now it's like

28:13interesting

28:14>> okay so it has to has the this surprise

28:17component in there

28:20Yeah, that curiosity gap that is

28:22everything. If an idea doesn't have a

28:23curiosity gap, then there's no reason

28:25that the viewers are going to watch.

28:27>> There's there's no reason to watch.

28:33>> If you had to give your viewers, your

28:36listeners,

28:38one or two tips to become a much more

28:41captivating storyteller, what would it

28:43be?

28:46on on on specifically video content.

28:50>> Yeah.

28:51>> The way you speak is everything. I've

28:54seen people like you can take the same

28:57script and someone's if someone says it

28:59without any enthusiasm or suspense, then

29:03the viewer isn't going to be engaged.

29:05Don't sound robotic. I think that is

29:07like the biggest thing. The the way you

29:09say something really makes a difference.

29:11You could be saying nothing. you could

29:12be saying nothing, but if you're talking

29:15like something's about to happen, people

29:18are instantly gonna be hooked.

29:20>> Uh, so so I would say that's that's a

29:24huge tip that is underlooked. Um, but

29:30another thing I would say is also

29:32similar to that

29:34is not having the same pacing

29:37throughout. So typically for my videos,

29:39I always have like the first 15 seconds

29:42is like lots of things are happening,

29:44things are moving quickly and then

29:46things kind of slow down to a medium

29:48pace from that 15 to 30 second range.

29:51Then from 30 seconds forward, everything

29:54is like super like slow, but not like

29:58slow in a way where it's like we're not

30:00progressing. Slow like wait, something

30:02like the suspense is about to happen.

30:04So, the way I think about it is like um

30:06actually I have this video where I

30:08tested if you can break an unbreakable

30:10glass and like the beginning of the

30:12video was like method one, method two,

30:13method three, method four, and then um

30:16method five and then it slows down. It's

30:19like, okay, I'm kind of nervous. I think

30:22this is going to work, guys. And then

30:24and then I I throw it off a building and

30:26then we let that play out actually in

30:28slow motion. It's falling off the

30:30building in slow motion. And then before

30:32it falls, we cut back to me. Okay, I'm

30:34gonna go check out the cup to see it

30:36right now. And then we reveal like

30:38because that's when people are most

30:40engaged. People are invested because of

30:43the suspense.

30:46>> That is so powerful. Yeah. Slowing down

30:49before the big reveal. So boom, boom,

30:52boom, boom. And then

30:54>> Yeah.

30:55>> Beautiful. I love this.

30:58>> That is That is so cool. I love this.

31:00Now, I've seen that you've been also

31:03fairly active when it comes to long form

31:05storytelling, but I think you stopped

31:07posting there, right?

31:09>> Temporarily. I mean, I'm working on a

31:11couple of them.

31:11>> Okay. So, what would you say is the

31:14biggest difference long form

31:16storytelling versus short form

31:17storytelling?

31:19>> Oh, for sure. It's definitely that

31:20they're just bigger stories that have

31:22more story beats. Um and that is usually

31:25because there is more days or there are

31:30more elements to it. So um going back to

31:36like the fruit example, it's like one

31:37fruit versus all the fruits. That's how

31:39I think about long form. I think about

31:41long form in the way that if you were to

31:43clip out a bunch of sections, it can

31:46work as a short. I mean, look at like

31:48Mr. Even like, and it's not even just

31:50the way I execute it. Mr. Beast does

31:52this himself. And one of his most

31:53popular formats is um $1 versus $1

31:57million vacation or $1 versus $1 million

32:00date, $1 versus $1 million job. He has

32:02like a bunch of formats where he does

32:04that. Uh hotel, planes, etc.

32:07That is a long form where he's testing

32:09out all those different things. He could

32:10easily make a short and he has where he

32:13just reviews a $1 hotel, a $10 hotel,

32:16and that in itself is an entire short.

32:18So, I think about a long form and

32:20especially if you're a short form

32:21creator moving into long form, think

32:22about long form as a bunch of sort

32:25shorts back toback that fall under the

32:26same theme. Even if you look at like I

32:28love Dan Martell's videos, his are

32:30usually like 10 tips of something. If

32:32you were to clip them out, they're all

32:34shorts. Think of a bunch of shorts ideas

32:36that fall under one umbrella, one theme,

32:39and then make that into a long form.

32:42>> I love this.

32:43>> And it like answers one big story.

32:46>> Uhhuh. Yeah. And so almost every minute

32:49should be a standalone video by itself

32:51that it has its own viral characters as

32:54well.

32:55>> Exactly. Yep.

32:56>> Got it. Okay. This is so cool.

33:01>> Do you see any other big differences

33:05long form versus short form or do you

33:07feel that those are the things that you

33:09change the most in order to be

33:11successful on long form?

33:14I would say that is the main thing.

33:17However, of course, long form has a

33:21title and thumbnail versus short form.

33:23Well, they do, but they don't. So, on

33:25long form, someone needs to click on

33:28your video to watch it. On short form,

33:30someone has already ran into your video

33:32and you just have to keep them hooked.

33:35So, the way that you hook on long form

33:38versus short form is very different. The

33:39way I think about a short form hook is

33:41the way you should think about a long

33:42form title and thumbnail. So when I

33:45think about hooking with the t with

33:46hooking in long form. So if if the title

33:49thumbnail is a hook, then what is the

33:51actual hook? So basically the title

33:54thumbnail should be very similar to a

33:55short where it's it's visual. There's a

33:58curiosity gap. There's a reason to care.

34:00You have the reason to care within

34:02there. Um so when someone clicks on it,

34:05you want to now prove the title and

34:08thumbnail. That's that's the difference.

34:10You don't want to restate what you just

34:12said, rather you want to prove that in

34:14this video we're going to be doing what

34:17we just talked about and then also give

34:21more. So, not only did they click, but

34:24now they're getting more on top of it.

34:26So, the way I think about it is

34:28typically there should be like a

34:29multiple reasons to care in your video.

34:31Even with shorts, but mainly in long

34:32form, they shouldn't only just be

34:34watching for that a plot. the A plot

34:37being what they what they clicked on.

34:39They should also be watching for that

34:41that B reason. I think Ryan Dan's one of

34:44the best creators at this. Right now,

34:47he's doing his 50 states in 50 days

34:48series.

34:50>> The Aplot is he's visiting 50 Airbnbs in

34:5350 days. But the Bplot is he's doing it

34:56to raise money for charity. And that's

34:59why people are going to keep tun tuning

35:01in. Yeah, it's cool. I want to see this

35:03really cool Airbnb in this random state.

35:05That's why I'm in. But now I'm invested

35:08in him this entire series because I want

35:11to see if he's able to raise a million

35:13dollars.

35:14>> Mhm. So it's the question below the main

35:17quest.

35:18>> Yeah.

35:19>> Okay. Fascinating.

35:21>> It gets really complex because um in

35:23short form there

35:26the best short form videos have a Bplot

35:29but it is very hard to incorporate a

35:31Bplot or to incorporate a complex Bplot.

35:34So when I do it, it's usually very

35:36simplistic, but with long form, I would

35:38say a Bplot is is uh is is pretty

35:42essential if you're going to keep people

35:43invested for a long time.

35:45>> Mhm.

35:48I remember the thing that held me back

35:50the most and going into long form

35:52storytelling was that the whole filming

35:54process just seemed so so so much work

35:58like to have constantly camera from

36:00every single angle on you. Yeah.

36:01>> What would be what would be your tip to

36:04get a little bit over this overwhelm

36:06where it just feels like it's so much

36:08work? Like how do you do with that?

36:12>> 100%. It it is a lot of work. And

36:15something I I always tell people is to

36:18have that that one place where you

36:20always film and have the thing set up

36:22there and it's like you know exactly how

36:24it is. It's the first time it's going to

36:26be difficult, but it's going to be

36:28familiar each time and I think that

36:29makes it very easy. Um, so I film a lot

36:32of videos in my kitchen and now it's

36:33like muscle memory where where the

36:35tripod goes, where the light goes and

36:37and how everything is and it's like

36:39setting it up is is quick and easy. And

36:42something I want to say because I

36:44already know what people are thinking um

36:46or some people because I've told this to

36:48people and I usually like the number one

36:51piece of feedback I get whenever I say

36:53that is oh but people are going to be

36:55bored of seeing this the same thing like

36:58don't they want to see different places

36:59like my channel is going to 50 different

37:01Airbnbs. Um, and the answer I tell them

37:05is no. People like familiarity.

37:08>> Look at the best shows. Look at friends.

37:11Every single episode was them in the

37:12coffee shop and the camera's is in the

37:14same angle every time. Or not even just

37:16them. You look at every single TV show

37:18or any like family show. The the camera

37:20is really everything is in the same

37:22place every single time. Do you notice

37:23that as well?

37:25>> And it's it's familiarity

37:27[Music]

37:29>> that is so relieving to everyone, right?

37:31that needs things fancy gear. I need to

37:34go outside. I need to do this. Just

37:35Yeah. Stay in the same setup once you

37:37have found the setup that you like.

37:39>> Yeah.

37:40>> Okay.

37:40>> That's why a lot of people have studios

37:42and I think or a lot of creators as they

37:44get bigger, they end up getting studios

37:45because it's very convenient. Like for

37:47me, I can't leave a tripod in the

37:49kitchen. But once you get a studio, um

37:51because I've seen creators like have a

37:53studio with the kitchen and you can just

37:54leave everything there and all you have

37:55to do is turn it on.

37:58>> Yeah. Yeah. That seems to be making

38:00things much easier.

38:02Jenny, if you were to give a tip to

38:05someone that is just starting out right

38:06now, short form storytelling, and he's

38:09like, I want to be like Jenny, what

38:10would be the tip that you would give to

38:12that person?

38:15>> The number one tip to

38:19go viral on shorts, I guess. Mhm.

38:24>> The number one tip

38:28because I feel like I've mentioned all

38:29of them. I want to go back to

38:34the the high demand, low supply, because

38:37that that is everything. Your video

38:39could suck, but if no one has made that

38:40video idea and people are trying to to

38:44learn what it is that you're you're

38:45talking about, then you're going to get

38:47views. And it's very hard to find that.

38:50But once you do,

38:53you're going to get a bunch of viewers

38:55on that video, and you just want to

38:56create similar videos for that audience.

38:58And um over time, you build a baseline

39:02level of viewership.

39:04I love this. This reminds me a little

39:07bit of business. In business, often

39:08times people go through an entire

39:11industry and look for what are the

39:13companies out there and where is maybe a

39:14niche that is not being served too well.

39:16And the same analytical mindset you can

39:18apply then to YouTube and you just

39:20analyze niche by niche and think hey

39:23what is the competition out there how

39:24much views are coming in and what could

39:26be the unique edge there.

39:28>> Yep. Exactly. Um so think about

39:31something that you love or a tip that

39:34I've heard creators say. This is how I I

39:37figured out my niche when I first

39:38started was um cuz I when I was first

39:41getting started, I heard that this was

39:42like a good idea and I heard creators I

39:45heard one creator ask their I heard a

39:47creator ask their friend like, "I don't

39:48know what niche should do. Like what

39:49should I do?" And I heard the creator

39:50tell that other one. They said, "Well,

39:54if you weren't creating content, what

39:55would you do?" Like what what would you

39:57want to do for work?

39:58>> Like what would you want your your job

40:00to be? Or like dream job that is not

40:03like what are you currently doing? Um,

40:06and then you want to create a content

40:09around that that niche. I mean, like

40:11Michael Reeves uh is a great channel. He

40:15does like engine engineering content

40:16creation or he does like he engineers

40:19like these really cool things. He

40:20doesn't even have like an engineering

40:22degree or like learn computer like he

40:24learned computer science completely by

40:25him by himself, but the things he's

40:27building are insane. Um, and that's why

40:29when I started my channel, I actually

40:30started with finance because I of course

40:34wanted to do content creation, but um,

40:37if it didn't work, I was always just

40:39going to be like an investment banker.

40:40That's what I was going to get into. So,

40:42it's like, oh, naturally, you might as

40:43well just make content around around

40:46that then. Um, but even so, like

40:48recently, I do a lot of cooking content

40:50because now like I think to myself like

40:54if because the answer is different now.

40:57Now, if if I wasn't a creator, what

40:59would I want to do? Like, I would want

41:00to have my own restaurant. Like, that

41:01would be fun to be cooking. And it's

41:03like, oh, just create content around

41:05that cuz that's what you have the most

41:06fun with. And the reason why I say that

41:08is to find a niche and something that

41:10you love is because when you love

41:12something, you're going to keep doing it

41:14even if it's not working.

41:17>> If you love something so much, you're

41:18going to keep doing it even Sorry. If

41:20you love something so much, then you're

41:22going to keep doing it no matter what.

41:24even if it's not working is what I'm

41:26trying to say. Um

41:29yeah. Yeah. I mean that's why I tried so

41:31many side hustles um back then when I

41:34wanted to like I wanted I wanted to be

41:36this entrepreneur and start a bunch of

41:37businesses. Um and I would always do all

41:40these different things. I would try

41:41dropshipping. I tried like uh coding. I

41:44tried creating websites. I tried doing

41:46all these different things. But none of

41:49it worked because I would always quit

41:51one to two weeks in. But YouTube worked

41:54because I did it for over a year without

41:57it even working.

42:00>> Wow. Yeah, that's persistence.

42:03How do you feel about not being an

42:04investment banker?

42:05>> Oh, I'm so glad. I'm so glad. I don't

42:09even know why I studied like Well, I

42:10guess finance is a good uh thing to

42:12study, but it's funny because I'm not

42:13even passionate about it anymore. Now

42:15it's like I just love content creation.

42:18>> Yeah.

42:19>> Yeah.

42:21That would be so funny to imagine you

42:23right now in some office.

42:25>> Yeah. But I guess it I guess it worked

42:27out though because it's it's very

42:29important with this this type of career

42:31to know how to manage your money and uh

42:34be responsible with your investments.

42:37>> True. And last question, what's next for

42:41you? What let's say where do you want to

42:43what is your big goal in the future?

42:48>> I have a lot of goals. So,

42:53I want to have my company be worth $100

42:57million,

42:59but I also want to do that in a way that

43:02I am enjoying and I'm enjoying the

43:05process, having fun, and I'm also

43:09happy with the way I did it because I

43:11can easily sell out and do a bunch of

43:13sponsorships that I don't want to do.

43:15Like I mean I could do a uh you know

43:17those gambling websites like oh those

43:19people get paid so much whenever they

43:21promote that. I I could do that if I

43:22wanted to. I'm not going to do that. So

43:24I I want to get my company worth um $100

43:28million and I want to do it through a

43:30way where I am actually helping people

43:32because at the end of the day you get

43:34paid like any person the reason that

43:36every single person gets paid is because

43:38they are providing some sort of value.

43:40If you're not providing value, then you

43:42are not going to make money unless

43:43you're just robbing. Like you like it

43:46doesn't matter who you are, you get paid

43:48because you're providing some sort of

43:49value or service. So, um yeah, and the

43:53biggest thing that I'm genuinely

43:54passionate about and I'm trying to work

43:56into my content is just healthier living

43:59in every facet. So healthier like eating

44:04healthier or getting active is directly

44:06but also healthier living in the sense

44:08of being nice to your community,

44:10spending time with your friends and

44:12family. Uh being conscious about your

44:15money and and making sure that you are

44:17um saving it and not wasting it. So that

44:20is something I want to I want to do. I

44:22want to encourage kids to have a a good

44:25healthy lifestyle.

44:27>> Beautiful. Jenny, just one follow-up

44:30question. this. Why 100 million?

44:34>> Yeah. Um, that's a good question. I

44:37guess it's not because I need $100

44:39million. Um, I don't even like I don't

44:43even buy anything. Like I don't even

44:45have the desire to have anything like

44:47that. I just want to know that like I

44:50can do it. Like it's it's uh it's a huge

44:53accomplishment. Um, but I know money

44:57isn't isn't isn't everything. I just

44:59want to know that I'm able to like my

45:02business skills are able to do something

45:05uh able to get there.

45:07>> Beautiful. Jenny, thank you so much. It

45:10has been absolute privilege having you

45:11here and yeah, super excited to see the

45:15progress over the next few months,

45:17years. And anyone who hasn't checked out

45:20Jenny's content yet, it's absolutely

45:21crazy. She's really the master when it

45:24comes to storytelling. Um, Jenny, is

45:26there anything else that you would like

45:28to share that how people can find you,

45:30what they should check out?

45:32>> Yeah. So, if you want to check out my

45:35content, I'm on YouTube, jenny hoyos.

45:37And if you have any questions or want to

45:38work together, just email

45:40teamjennyhoyos.com.

45:42I'll be responding directly. Typically,

45:44what I encourage people is to let me

45:46know about where you're currently at in

45:48your journey and where you're trying to

45:50get because I offer a bunch of different

45:52services or sometimes if you just have a

45:54small question, I'll just go ahead and

45:55answer it. Um, so let me know like what

45:59you what you guys need or are struggling

46:01with and I'm happy to help.

46:03>> Wonderful. Thank you so much.

46:05>> Yeah, thank you for having me.

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