Clavicular Interview

0:00The word incel has been largely misused.

0:03So let's clarify what that [music]

0:05actually is.

0:06>> So you think that even if someone had

0:07every word of the Neil Strauss book, The

0:09Game, memorized and they were like super

0:11busted, they could approach a Stacy and

0:13get totally [music] lenard, like

0:14brutalized almost like women are are

0:18brutal as [music] [ __ ] these days. I was

0:20talking about this on my stream the

0:21other day. Say you were to do like a

0:24bowling date [music] with a girl and you

0:25weren't streaming it. Like I mean that's

0:29just the most ridiculous.

0:30>> Well, what about like connecting with

0:31her cuz like you like her [music] or

0:33something like that, you know? Like

0:34maybe you want to start a family.

0:35>> Where's the ROI in that?

0:36>> What's that?

0:37>> Return on investment. [music] What's the

0:39value there? I mean,

0:41>> and engaging with people in real life.

0:43>> Yeah. I [music] mean, there's really not

0:45that many people that are worth

0:47interacting with, I would say. [music]

0:49>> What do you mean?

0:50>> Like most people are extremely jester.

0:53If you want to be completely

0:54disingenuous, that's fine with me. I

0:56guess there's just no no [music] point

0:58to continue.

0:58>> All right. Thank you for your time.

1:00>> Thank you.

1:01>> Ladies and gentlemen, this is Braden

1:02[music] Peters, known online as

1:04Clavicular, Clav for short. A

1:0620-year-old from Hoboken, New Jersey,

1:08currently living and trapping content

1:09out of a rented mansion in Fort

1:11Lauderdale, [music] mothering, Florida.

1:13The property has been converted to a 247

1:15fully staffed live streaming studio for

1:17Cloud's particular brand of content

1:19which focuses on partying and also

1:21helping young [music] men particularly

1:22in Gen Alpha and Early Gen Z look sexy

1:25as [ __ ] and ascend by engaging in looks

1:27maxing activities like facial surgery,

1:29limb lengthening, Botox, peptide use,

1:31[music] and steroid injection. All with

1:33the goal of raising their SMV, sexual

1:35market value in a way that will lead to

1:36more ascension [music] and life success.

1:38across mainstream platforms. He has over

1:40a million followers and over 170,000

1:42[music] recurring viewers on the live

1:44streaming platform Kick. I don't want to

1:45spoil it too much, though. Let's get

1:47into the interview.

1:48>> All right. Thanks so much for making the

1:49time, man. I appreciate it.

1:51>> Oh, sorry. How's it going, man?

1:53>> Getting started. How are you?

1:54>> I'm good. So, for those who don't know,

1:56can you tell us your name and kind of

1:57what you do?

1:58>> I am uh Clavicular. I do live streaming.

2:01Um, I hop on a variety of podcasts to

2:05talk about sort of my philosophy on why

2:07looks are arguably one of the most

2:10important things in terms of your

2:13success in life.

2:14>> Mhm. And what do you mean by that?

2:15>> Well, what I basically mean is every

2:17single trait of yours is going to be

2:20perceived different differently uh

2:22according to your looks level, right?

2:24So, if you're super caged in and shy,

2:26but you're good-looking, um, that will

2:29be perceived a lot different, uh, rather

2:31than if you're, you know, an acne

2:35ridden, balding, uh, jester and you stay

2:38inside all day. People will call you a

2:40recluse, they'll call you weird,

2:42whatever.

2:42>> So, uh, even though the actions are the

2:44complete same. So, that's what I'm

2:46talking about here.

2:47>> And what's the exact equation for

2:48measuring like aesthetic value? Um, so

2:51there's a lot of different ratios that

2:54go into it to calculate someone's

2:55overall facial harmony score. So, for

2:57example, that could be the width of your

2:59eyes relative to the width of your

3:01cheekbones, uh, would be your eye

3:03separation ratio or your midface ratio,

3:07for example. And then you're going to

3:08take all these measurements and

3:10calculate them into a final uh,

3:12percentage harmony score.

3:13>> And who has the highest score right now

3:15living?

3:17>> Um, I believe it's Matt Bmer. what in

3:19particular about Matt's face gives him

3:21that high score.

3:22>> It's not one particular thing because

3:23it's a a calculation of a lot of

3:26different measurements.

3:27>> Well, congrats on the uh the big

3:28viewership and stuff like that.

3:30>> Thank you.

3:30>> It's kind of cool to see the mechanics

3:31of algorithmic takeover here.

3:33>> I appreciate that.

3:34>> I read less than a year ago you were a

3:35line cook.

3:36>> That's right. Well, it was just one of

3:38my many roles at a restaurant I worked

3:40at.

3:41>> What made you kind of want to jump into

3:42creating content? Um, I had already been

3:44kind of posting my looks maxing uh, you

3:49know, routine and the protocols I was

3:52doing uh, for a good amount of time on

3:54TikTok, not really taking it too

3:56seriously and I was posting on online

3:59forums. So, I was sort of like a

4:01well-known name in a really small uh,

4:05tight-knit community. And then I kind of

4:07took it a little bit more serious

4:09because people were asking me like, "How

4:10do you do this? uh what was your

4:12experience like with uh this you know

4:15peptide whatever uh and it started to

4:18get a lot of traction very early on uh

4:20so I just continued with it and we're

4:22here now.

4:23>> So going back to like the early days you

4:25were born in '05 right?

4:26>> That's right.

4:26>> How would you describe your like

4:27childhood? Was it fun?

4:28>> Um

4:30pretty normal.

4:31>> I'd say

4:32>> your social experience in school though.

4:34How was that?

4:35>> Uh I mean what what age range are we

4:37talking about?

4:37>> I guess like right around 13 14 is what

4:39I'm thinking. Well, that would have been

4:41during the pandemic. So, uh I was in

4:45online school.

4:46>> Oh [ __ ] How do you think that being

4:48online school like, you know,

4:49transformed your experience during that

4:50time?

4:51>> Well, obviously you're not interacting

4:52with anyone. You're

4:53>> just like ladaring.

4:54>> But I mean, was that the the time window

4:56that you sort of fell into the looks

4:57maxing community?

4:58>> Uh around that time actually. Yeah.

5:01>> What do you think?

5:02>> Right at the tail end of the pandemic

5:03actually.

5:04>> What do you think like initially

5:04appealed to you about it? Um, well, it

5:08just seemed like when I first started

5:10lifting and then I got really into, you

5:14know, pharmarmacology and a steroid

5:16usage, I was like, this is like

5:18literally a video game cheat code

5:20>> is what it almost feels like. And it

5:22seemed like so ridiculous to try to play

5:24the game fair when I had access to all

5:26these things.

5:27>> What was the first kind of thing that

5:28you tried out? Was it

5:29>> test?

5:30>> Test. How do you get that stuff?

5:32>> Uh, no comment. But it's like it's

5:35technically illegal in the US, right?

5:36But other countries have like more lax

5:37regulation.

5:38>> No, it's prescription only.

5:39>> Okay. And how did that affect your like

5:41looks immediately? Like when you mix

5:43that with a bit of lifting?

5:44>> Uh I started to blow up quite quickly in

5:48terms of the amount of muscle mass I

5:49had, but I descended because uh I was

5:52lifting in a huge caloric surplus. So I

5:56turned into kind of like a blobsack. Uh,

6:00so I mean I I definitely looks minned

6:03from taking tests uh and just bulking,

6:06but it wasn't the test. It was just like

6:09uh prioritizing physique uh and mass

6:11over uh leanness and angularity.

6:13>> And you were already creating content

6:15like right off the bat when you found

6:16this stuff or did that come a bit later?

6:17I actually sort of was around. I I

6:21started kind of documenting

6:24a lot of what I was doing on uh forums

6:27and actually have like few YouTube

6:30videos like kind of going over my

6:32experience that people dug up from years

6:35prior about like various different

6:38cycles I had done. But uh yeah, so I've

6:41been doing content for a little while,

6:42but none of it was serious. Uh, I never

6:45intended to monetize it or have a career

6:48made out of it.

6:49>> Hey, what's up guys? This is not an

6:50advertisement, by the way, but did you

6:52hear that about a year ago, we bought

6:53back [music] our old show, All Gas No

6:55Breaks? Remember, from 2019 to 2020, my

6:58first show? We [music] bought it back,

6:59as well as the entire catalog of

7:01unreleased All Gas No Breaks episodes.

7:04If you're my friend and you come visit

7:05me in the RV, [music] do not take a

7:07[ __ ]

7:07>> Oh, [ __ ]

7:08>> Just course.

7:09>> MS13 is actually the biggest piece of

7:12[ __ ] I've ever met. [music]

7:13>> And guess what? We are currently on tour

7:15right now going across the country

7:17[music] screening OG and new all gas no

7:20breaks material and screening some

7:22never-before-seen channel 5

7:24documentaries that [music] I think you'd

7:25like to see. So if you want to come to

7:26our C5 carnival, which is a hybrid all

7:29gas channel 5 screening with a talent

7:31show and a rap battle embedded inside of

7:34it.

7:37[cheering]

7:39You should definitely buy [music] a

7:40ticket right now at www. Channel 5.NE.

7:44It's called the C5 Carnival. [music]

7:46We're going to so many different cities.

7:47>> Channel 5 Carnival Cook.

7:50>> If you live in Portland, Austin, Denver,

7:51Vancouver, BC, Atlanta, [music] El Paso,

7:53Phoenix, San Diego, and then wrap up in

7:55the big AB [ __ ] cute batch.

7:58Hope to see you guys on the road. Again,

7:59tickets are on sale right now at www.

8:00[music]

8:01channel5.news. What do you think was the

8:03particular moment that made people

8:04really catch on to what you were doing?

8:06>> Mhm.

8:07I would say that a lot of like the DIY

8:10stuff was what blew up. Um because a lot

8:14of people were too scared to try it

8:16themselves, like doing injectable fat

8:18dissolvers and stuff. I would post it on

8:20YouTube and people thought it was it was

8:22crazy. They thought it was interesting.

8:23So that kind of gave me a lot of clout

8:25within like the tight-knit looks maxing

8:28community. But in terms of like

8:30mainstream success in things like Tik

8:32Tok or whatever, uh, a lot of what led

8:35to my blowup was like a segment I did

8:37calling out copes, right? Because in

8:39early 2025, I'm sure a lot of you guys

8:41remember there was just like a lot of

8:43ridiculous

8:45methods kind of being put out there for

8:47looks maxing that really didn't make

8:49[ __ ] sense at all.

8:50>> Like what's the stupidest method that

8:51you saw where you were like, "No way."

8:52>> Oh, dude, there was this one uh where it

8:55was like jumping to get taller. What do

8:57you [laughter]

8:57call like Messiah jump? [ __ ] I don't

9:01even remember. But it was uh it was

9:03really [ __ ] Um so I kind of just

9:06said to the one guy who's kind of

9:08pushing it like dude like this is

9:10clearly cope. This is ridiculous and you

9:12know it. Uh and that kind of gave me a

9:15lot of gave me a lot of clout like

9:17exposing jesters I'd say.

9:20>> So a jester is not just someone who's

9:21funny. It's somebody who what?

9:23>> Well, it could be used in like a lot of

9:25contexts, but I mean like it is kind of

9:28gesturing a little bit because the

9:30methods are like so ridiculous. You're

9:32like [ __ ] you know, bouncing around

9:35like trying to get taller. Like

9:36>> is it consecutive jumping like bunny

9:38hops for hours? I honestly couldn't tell

9:41you the exact protocol for what what

9:44people were doing back then, but I just

9:46know uh it had something to do with uh

9:49trying to apply Wolf's law to like

9:51vertical height and like that doesn't

9:52make any sense at all.

9:53>> The first thing that caught my eye was

9:55the bone smashing.

9:56>> Okay.

9:56>> Cuz I was like cuz I saw some people

9:59responding saying like, "Oh, in time one

10:00day you're going to have like jaw

10:02issues. Do you think that's bullshit?"

10:04>> Yeah, because I don't even bone smash my

10:05jaw.

10:06>> Okay, my bad. How does it work? uh

10:07cheekbones and it's just like it's so

10:10silly that people uh want to talk about

10:12bone smash. I think it's just because

10:14it's like you hear it and it's so crazy,

10:16but that's not even really like one of

10:18the main things that I would, you know,

10:22advocate for or promote or that really

10:24give people the most results. It's one

10:26of the methods that I talk about, but uh

10:28it's just what gets brought up the most

10:30frequently in interviews. If you asked

10:31me seriously, I mean, what's the best

10:33way to look, Max? I would tell you about

10:34leanness. So, I wouldn't tell you about

10:36bone smashing.

10:37>> Gotcha. So, staying low weight.

10:39>> Yeah. Staying extremely low body fat.

10:40And

10:40>> what are some of the easiest ways to do

10:42that besides just creating a caloric

10:43deficit?

10:44>> Well, being in a GLP1 will help you

10:46maintain uh that deficit a lot easier,

10:48right? Cuz it's going to deal with a lot

10:50of your hunger signaling.

10:52>> So, throughout the day when you're on a

10:53cut and trying to maintain your deficit,

10:55you're not just going to be constantly

10:57thinking about food.

10:58>> So, that's really helpful.

10:59>> What do you think about his Empic?

11:00>> That is a GLP-1 agonist. That's what

11:03we're talking about. It works by just

11:06agonizing the one receptor unlike rea

11:09and uh tzeptide which hit multiple

11:12receptors. So this just slows kind of

11:13your gastric emptying and like almost

11:16nauseates you in a way so that you are

11:19unable to eat through that. Uh but rea

11:22is a little bit more like you know

11:24meticulous I guess you can call it.

11:26>> So if I'm 202 right now and I want to be

11:28185 what's the fastest way to get there

11:30in 30 days? Well, the fastest way is to

11:33be eating as little food as possible.

11:35>> Just straight up starve yourself.

11:36>> Uh, yeah, but I I wouldn't recommend

11:38that you do that.

11:39>> What do you think the ideal caloric

11:41ingestion amount per day?

11:42>> Like 300 to 500 calorie deficit. I don't

11:45don't really think going beyond that is

11:47advisable ever. Uh, especially if you're

11:50someone who's going through puberty,

11:51like if you're restricting your micro

11:53and macronutrient intake during that

11:55critical developmental period, you're

11:58doing yourself a huge disservice. You

12:00mentioned puberty in that developmental

12:01period. That's also like right around

12:03the time that you got into all these

12:04communities,

12:04>> right?

12:05>> How was that experience for you? Because

12:06it's a strange experience as like a

12:07young dude to go from being basically

12:09like a kid to a little baby man.

12:10>> Well, you have the most control over

12:12your body while all those uh growth

12:15pathways are still open, right? So, your

12:16growth plates uh remain unfused. So, you

12:19can really do a lot with something like

12:20an aromatase inhibitor to prevent this

12:23process. Not well, not prevent, slow it

12:25down as much as possible

12:26>> because estrogen is actually what causes

12:28you to stop growing. That's why boys are

12:30are taller than girls, right? So, uh

12:32we're blocking our testosterone from

12:34converting into estradile and that

12:37allows us to have that longer growth

12:38period and you could combine that with

12:40other uh mechanisms like taking HGH uh

12:44and you'll get a lot taller than you

12:47otherwise would.

12:48>> Are you concerned about any adverse

12:50health effects?

12:50>> Oh, yeah. Certainly. I mean, if you go

12:53about like an HGH improperly, you could

12:56deal with uh, you know, potentially, you

12:59know, becoming diabetic, right? So, if

13:01you're pinning GH and then spamming a

13:03[ __ ] ton of carbs, that's uh, horrible

13:06for your blood glucose levels. Or if

13:08you're taking uh, a huge amount of

13:10aromatase inhibitors, uh, that could

13:12lead to ED, uh, that could potentially

13:15be neurotoxic, give you mood swings. So

13:18yeah, you really need to be extremely

13:20well researched uh when doing this

13:23stuff. That's why uh I'm like very

13:26careful in about when I talk about these

13:29kind of things because I want to be as

13:30comprehensive as possible.

13:32>> Yeah.

13:32>> To not leave any nuance uh on the table

13:35and try to clarify as much as possible.

13:37>> Right. because you don't want to mince

13:38words then someone gets hurt or

13:40something

13:40>> because if someone asks you uh you know

13:42how do I get taller and you just tell

13:43them oh take HGHN uh an aromatase

13:46inhibitor they go out and do that and

13:48then they don't know about you know the

13:50thing about carbohydrates and they don't

13:52know that they could have these issues

13:54with flatlining their E with their mood

13:56and their libido uh they could really

13:59cause themselves uh a good amount of

14:01harm. You have to explain every single

14:03thing. And you have to make sure the

14:04person truly knows what they're doing

14:06before they decide to uh indulge on any

14:09of these pharmaceuticals. So I would say

14:12in a funny way like a lot more people

14:15will actually end up detrimenting

14:18themselves cuz people these days are

14:19lazy. They don't want to research. They

14:20don't want to actually do things

14:22properly, you know, take the steps that

14:25are actually necessary to have success.

14:27>> Yeah.

14:27>> Uh so it's it's really just about that.

14:29>> I think people are scared to make

14:30friends now, too. Screen time's at an

14:32all-time high. People aren't really

14:33going out. Community is kind of in

14:34collapse. Less people have real friends.

14:37>> I I don't know the relevance of that.

14:41>> What do you mean?

14:42>> What's What's the relevance of that?

14:44>> What's kind of what you were just

14:45talking about?

14:46>> Not at all.

14:47>> Wanting to ascend and finding your place

14:49in the world. SMV.

14:52>> I was talking about pharmacology.

14:54>> Oh, yeah. But I'm kind of getting into

14:55your whole your goal is to help people

14:57ascend, right?

14:57>> Yeah. But I mean like what what's the

15:01value there? I mean,

15:02>> and engaging with people in real life.

15:05>> Yeah. I mean, there's really not that

15:07many people that are worth interacting

15:10with, I would say.

15:11>> What do you mean?

15:12>> Like, most people are extremely jester.

15:15>> Like, they're funny or like they're just

15:17like

15:17>> just have completely uh misprioritized

15:20lives. I would say the the average

15:22person that you meet uh who's like uh an

15:26enjoyer of sports, who drinks beer, for

15:30example, you know, let's go have a beer

15:32at the pub and watch Sunday football.

15:34Like that's the worst thing that you

15:36could do. Like you should be on PubMed

15:39reading various different studies on how

15:41you could look smack.

15:43>> You don't think there's any value in

15:44like social interactions with people?

15:46>> Uh I wouldn't say people in general. I'd

15:48say that there's certain people that you

15:50could certainly learn from, but the

15:53average person that you encounter is

15:55literally like ladaring watching like a

15:58baseball game. So, you think most of

16:00humanity is sort of like enslaved to

16:02these consumer habits that prevent them

16:03from sending?

16:04>> Yeah, I would I would say that's that's

16:07correct. And you [snorts] think that

16:08certain stuff like sports, drugs,

16:10alcohol, all that stuff is like ways to

16:12keep people contained and like kind of

16:14prevent them from becoming their true

16:16elevated selves?

16:18>> Uh, I would say that it's certainly

16:20misused, right? So like people will just

16:23drink alcohol for no reason at all.

16:27seems like let's go have a drink when uh

16:30if you were actually smart you would

16:32realize the purpose of alcohol is to

16:35lower your inhibitions to talk to girls.

16:38Uh so that's the only time in which

16:40[snorts] it makes sense to leverage such

16:42a toxic drug like ethanol.

16:45>> Is the purpose of looks maxing to raise

16:47your aesthetic value to also impress and

16:49talk to girls as well? Yeah, but I don't

16:52like when people put too much focus on

16:54like getting girls as the reason that

16:57they look Max because uh Chasing Tail is

17:00really not going to get you anywhere.

17:02Like you could become the most

17:04successful uh slayer and have the best

17:06game ever. Uh sleep with a different

17:08girl every night, but your life will

17:10really not change in in a lot of

17:12regards. Like it'll get worse. like uh

17:15and that sort of is what something I

17:17experience is like it's a mega waste of

17:19time

17:20>> just talking to girls going out on dates

17:22and stuff like that.

17:23>> Yeah. Yeah.

17:25>> I mean I do content so it's like it's

17:27one thing where uh but like I was

17:30talking about this on my stream the

17:31other day. Say you were to do like a

17:34bowling date with a girl and you weren't

17:36streaming it. Like I mean that's just

17:39the most ridiculous.

17:40>> Well, what about like connecting with

17:41her cuz like you like her or something

17:43like that, you know? Like maybe you want

17:44to start a family.

17:45>> Where's the ROI in that?

17:46>> What's that?

17:47>> Like where's the ROI?

17:49>> Sorry. What's ROI?

17:50>> Return on investment.

17:51>> I mean, maybe you have kids and you can

17:53mold your kid into like a Tiger Woods

17:54type like ill like little golf player or

17:57something and then he could provide for

17:58you so when you get old, you don't got

18:00to get go to a nursing home and he can

18:01like make sure you're taken care of.

18:02>> Yeah. Just leech off uh your kid like

18:05you know

18:05>> like you want when you're

18:06>> most people will put the kids on the

18:07TikTok live like [laughter]

18:09>> I I get what you're saying.

18:10>> You know what I mean? Like that's just

18:12comical. So the main goal of looks

18:14maxing is not to get girls. It's to feel

18:16good about yourself.

18:16>> No, it's just to be successful in

18:18general. It's not about feeling good.

18:20It's about real results. And this is a

18:22completely objective thing. This isn't

18:24my opinion. And it it never has just

18:26been a subjective thing. It's very very

18:28well researched that in interviews

18:30there's a huge bias towards good-looking

18:32people. Uh and dating obviously huge

18:35bias towards good-looking people. So,

18:38uh, objectively, you could hate me as a

18:41content creator, but realize like the

18:44value and what I'm talking about.

18:45>> So, the goal when you say success, you

18:48mean like mostly financial and economic?

18:49>> Uh, well, really anything. It's hard for

18:52me to to think of something where looks

18:55wouldn't benefit you.

18:56>> I mean, in your industry, you know,

18:57you're a content creator, you're

18:58streaming all the time. You think that

18:59if you were not physically good-looking,

19:02you wouldn't have as much success?

19:04>> No, it wouldn't at all. Even if you were

19:06like a genius like Beethoven level

19:07creative, but you were busted, you don't

19:09think you'd pop off.

19:10>> Well, that's the thing. Uh so now you

19:12have to be so uh so well off in another

19:16category to compensate for your lack of

19:18looks that you have to be a Beethoven

19:21level uh player in order to compete with

19:24a guy who's, you know, just like, you

19:27know, mogging and going to the club, you

19:30know. So that's why it really gives

19:33people huge advantage in life to have

19:35looks on their side.

19:36>> Yeah, I think it's definitely true. But

19:38you don't think there's any value in

19:39like having a girlfriend that you like

19:40or an in-person community to like meet

19:42your essential needs and find belonging?

19:44>> Well, uh I'm just a little bit like

19:46weird. Like I don't know. It's it's hard

19:49for me to enjoy some of the same

19:51activities that normal people do, but it

19:54doesn't really matter cuz that's just

19:56like my personal anecdote. They're not

19:58mutually exclusive,

19:59>> right?

20:00>> Growing up, growing up, what did you

20:01enjoy doing the most before all this

20:02stuff?

20:03>> I mean, I would just mostly

20:06like LAR uh on my PC like I was reading.

20:10>> What kind of stuff were you reading?

20:11>> I was reading different forum posts,

20:14different studies, uh just whatever

20:16research you can think of about looks

20:19maxing and developing your aesthetic,

20:20>> looks maxing, bodybuilding, all that

20:22kind of stuff.

20:22>> Were you unhappy with how you looked at

20:24the time?

20:24>> Yeah, of course. What were some of the

20:26things that you immediately wanted to

20:27improve right off the bat?

20:28>> My muscle mass was probably one of the

20:31bigger ones.

20:32>> I didn't really have much of a presence.

20:34I was quite skinny, so I was like a

20:35little bit lanky cuz I I grew pretty

20:38early. So, uh I was a lanklet. Yeah.

20:41>> Do you think that affected your social

20:42life?

20:43>> Yeah, I would say I'd say so.

20:45>> In what way? Well, [sighs]

20:49obviously people are going to be more

20:53drawn to you if you're good-looking. And

20:56I would say that, you know, growing up,

20:59uh, especially during puberty,

21:01>> early into high school, I really wasn't.

21:03So, it's just it is what it is.

21:05>> Mhm.

21:06>> So, you feel like you had a harder time

21:07making friends? Yeah, but I would

21:10attribute most of it to uh sort of my

21:13brain chemistry and like a lot of the

21:17maybe differences in activities I enjoy

21:21more so than looks.

21:22>> Mhm.

21:23>> You know, so I' I'd definitely attribute

21:25it to that.

21:26>> Did you experience any kind of like

21:27social anxiety during that time?

21:30>> Yeah. Yeah, I still do. Yeah, I get

21:33pretty anxious

21:34>> just meeting new people. It really just

21:36depends on the the scenario. I would say

21:39that meeting new people who have like a

21:42higher status is usually something that

21:45uh I I get a little bit anxious about

21:48cuz you don't want to like you know blow

21:50it or whatever.

21:51>> Make a bad impression.

21:52>> Yeah. But like if I'm just going to a

21:55club for example, like my impression

21:58doesn't really matter that much cuz uh a

22:02lot of the time it's just like random

22:03people in college. Did you find that

22:05engaging with people online as opposed

22:07to in real life helped kind of ease some

22:09of that social anxiety cuz you didn't

22:10have to deal with so much like in-person

22:12immediiacy?

22:12>> Yeah, like Discord maxing was probably

22:15uh one of the the better things to do

22:18because you could actually find like

22:20people who have the same interest as you

22:21and you're never going to encounter

22:24people with the same niche interests

22:25like looks maxing like you will on on

22:28internet forums.

22:29>> Did you ever actually meet up with any

22:31people from the forums in real life?

22:32Yeah, actually two people in this house

22:34uh I met through lookmax.org.

22:36>> And that that word is like an old 4chan

22:38word, right? Like maxing and like sell

22:41like as an abbreviate.

22:42>> Uh it's on 4chan, but it didn't

22:43originate from them.

22:44>> Do you know where the actual word first

22:46came from?

22:46>> Like PSL websites.

22:48>> The umbrella term PSL refers to the

22:50three most popular message boards in the

22:52incelphere. PUA or

22:54pickupartthhate.com,.com,

22:57and lookism.net. On these three sites, a

22:59shared ranking scale was developed

23:01called the PSL scale, which ranks men

23:03from Terra Chad and Gigachad all the way

23:06down to subhuman.

23:07>> It's just three forums, like the names

23:09of of three old forums. One of them is

23:11pickup artist hate, right?

23:12>> Mhm.

23:12>> You don't like pickup artists.

23:14>> Uh it's not really that I don't like

23:16pickup artists. It's just I don't like

23:18the fact that they don't give you the

23:20key piece of nuance that if you learn

23:22all this game and uh do cold

23:25approaching, but you're not

23:27good-looking. It's not going to work.

23:28So, there are certain like psychological

23:30tactics that you can utilize to be

23:32better at approaching women,

23:34conversational tactics, whatever the

23:36case may be, but they're going to have

23:38different uh success rates based on

23:40different looks levels. So, you think

23:42that even if someone had every word of

23:43the Neil Strauss book, The Game,

23:45memorized and they were like super

23:46busted, they could approach a Stacy and

23:48get totally lard, like brutalized almost

23:51like women are are brutal as [ __ ] these

23:55days with uh rejecting people. I think

23:58is one thing that I don't really like.

24:00Sometimes a dude will in a bar literally

24:02just like go up and call a girl pretty.

24:04Like no creepiness to it, no like o

24:08overly like touchy or whatever. and like

24:11she'll start like screaming like just to

24:13embarrass the dude and like brutalize

24:14him.

24:15>> What do you think causes that impulse?

24:16>> Well, I mean I think it's just that they

24:18feel disrespected that someone that

24:21lower in percentiles got

24:23>> feels that they could somehow enter like

24:25a a relationship with them. It's

24:27sensible to a degree, you know, how

24:30could you actually think that this

24:32approach would work out, but I don't

24:33really think that there's a reason for

24:35them to like just go out of the way to

24:37like be brutal on an underlying level.

24:39What do you think's causing that just

24:40like hostility? Do you think it's like

24:42the way culture has shifted?

24:44>> It's not really like hostile a lot of

24:46the times. I think they just kind of

24:48also think it's like funny cuz they'll

24:50post it on like social media after

24:52>> of of like dudes hitting on them to like

24:53embarrass them basically.

24:55>> Yeah. What did you think about the whole

24:56Nautica Malone situation?

24:57>> What is that?

24:58>> That was the uh the Goonal Goonicide.

25:00You know, the guy at the Bikini Beans in

25:02Tempe, Arizona who went through and he

25:04had like supposedly no pants on and they

25:06posted a video of him and he took his

25:08own life the next day. Are you familiar

25:09with that story?

25:10>> I'm not. No. They're going to have to

25:12fill me in.

25:12>> We just made a documentary about a vigil

25:14they did for him.

25:14>> Here's a preview of that upcoming

25:16documentary.

25:17>> Good. Have you been here before?

25:18>> Uh, yeah.

25:19>> Sir, you need to leave. [music]

25:20Unacceptable. Unacceptable.

25:23>> Police say a man took his own life after

25:25getting caught committing a sex crime in

25:27the drive-thru of a coffee shop.

25:29>> SAY HIS NAME.

25:31>> SAY HIS NAME.

25:33>> Nautica's death is bigger than 911. This

25:35was a recurring incident that all the

25:37girls were aware [music] of.

25:39>> You killed that man. Nautica was a

25:40gooner.

25:41>> He's left behind by his wife and two

25:42kids. Do you think they consider him a

25:44goon lord?

25:45>> I think they view him as a loving father

25:47that did a radical thing.

25:48>> I want to be just like my father. He was

25:50a gooner himself.

25:51>> You know, he did it in that parking

25:52spot.

25:53>> No, [laughter]

25:55that's messed up.

25:55>> I analyzed that video over 1,000 times.

25:59That man had pants on.

26:00>> Have you ever exposed yourself in a

26:02drive-thru?

26:03>> No, but I probably will. my future.

26:04>> You killed that man. YOU KILLED THAT

26:08MAN.

26:08>> Acting like it's a [music] joke is

26:10damaging for everyone involved.

26:12>> The spirit of the goon roll is really

26:14all around us.

26:15>> I can't go. I can't go. I can't go.

26:19>> If you'd like to see the uncensored,

26:21extended, and exclusive cut of the

26:22Goonversary, head to our Patreon at

26:24www.patreon.com/

26:27channel5. It costs five bucks a month to

26:29sign up, but your subscriptions help

26:31keep the lights on, and there's a ton of

26:32stuff on there that you simply cannot

26:34see elsewhere. I'll put the link in the

26:35pin comment and description box of this

26:37video. All right, back to Clav. Okay,

26:39well, like he was fully naked with his

26:42>> No, no, no. He has a shirt on,

26:44>> but his his fallace, let's just say, is

26:47is showing to the the workers.

26:49>> According to the workers, there was

26:51fallus. According to Nautica Malone

26:52supporters, he had very short shorts on.

26:54I honestly believe that the workers in

26:58that case like I mean I don't really

27:00think that anyone should take their own

27:01lives but there's a clear difference

27:03there between showing your genitalia and

27:06being clothed even if it's promiscuous

27:09even if it's degenerate and I could call

27:12that out too but like that's just

27:15straight up a sexual harassment to just

27:17like go somewhere with your genitalia

27:20out [laughter] so I'm not going to

27:23obviously

27:24side with that one.

27:25>> So, you think it's a little bit fried

27:26that people are showing up to do a vigil

27:28for his passing?

27:29>> I would say so. I I think that they're

27:32certainly right that there is a lot of

27:34scenarios like in the gym when we'd see

27:38girls like record their sets and like a

27:40guy would like look for a second and

27:41then they would like try to ruin their

27:43lives.

27:43>> Do you need something?

27:45>> Do you need something?

27:47>> Okay. I thought so.

27:49>> Like, yeah, that is horrible, right? So

27:51that shouldn't occur. But like someone

27:53pulling up to a restaurant naked, it's

27:55like that just kind of ruins all the

27:57optics of everything if you're going to

27:58like make this part of of like the

28:01argument. You know what I'm saying?

28:02>> So back to rejection in general. There's

28:04something they call the Gen Z sex

28:05recession. It's alcohol recession, too.

28:07Sounds like you might think it's kind of

28:08a good thing, but right now there's less

28:10people ever like in the past 50 years

28:12that are going out.

28:12>> Why would I think that's a good thing?

28:14>> Cuz you mentioned that alcohol is like a

28:15slop of the masses and the dating is a

28:17waste of time.

28:18>> Well, no. I just said the exposure

28:20should be limited, right? So like if

28:22you're someone who just like has a drink

28:24before going to bed or has a drink drink

28:27when they go out to lunch with their

28:29buddies, it's like okay, you are just

28:31causing, you know, oxidative stress to

28:34your body for literally no reason. Cuz

28:36the way that I think about it is, you

28:37know, being super results driven, right?

28:39So like actually being able to talk to

28:41girls potentially like, you know, get a

28:43girl to go home with you. Like that's an

28:45example of okay, maybe the oxidative

28:47stress could be justified because you

28:49got the success of, you know, slaying a

28:52girl, for example. You know, that's kind

28:54of like a a meaningless pursuit and

28:55that's a whole another uh huge

28:58philosophical argument. But uh just for

29:00the the purpose of this interview, that

29:02would be like one example where it kind

29:03of makes a little bit more sense. But I

29:05don't really think that that people

29:07should be drinking and doing drugs uh

29:11recreationally for the most part. And I

29:12know that would uh appear super

29:15hypocritical because I do it a good

29:17amount. It's just something that I

29:19utilize for my work, for my content, cuz

29:23I can't really like function around uh

29:25people too well or be super entertaining

29:28in my my sober state.

29:30>> What drugs do you find help you the

29:31most?

29:32>> Uh pregablin.

29:34>> Stimulants,

29:36I'd say.

29:36>> Yeah. So, just drugs that keep you up

29:38basically. Make it easier to talk to

29:40people and do your job. pregablin is a

29:42little different. It blocks certain

29:43neurotransmitters that are excitatory,

29:46right? So your your glutamate and that

29:48causes social anxiety, right? By

29:50blocking that neurotransmitter while the

29:52drug's halflife is active, now you're

29:54like in a low inhibition state for, you

29:56know, the the 6 to 8 hours.

29:58>> You don't got to talk about this if you

29:59don't want, but have you ever used like

30:00methamphetamine?

30:01>> Uh yeah. No, I I've I've used

30:03methamphetamine. Do you know what

30:04aderall is?

30:05>> Pretty close chemically to meth,

30:06>> right? Yeah. So it's dexetamine. I was

30:08just taking dextrothamine. You think

30:10meth kind of gets a bad rap?

30:12>> No, I [laughter] don't. I don't at all

30:14because it's different isomers that are

30:17are cooked up by like literal biker gang

30:20retards, not actual pharmacies that are

30:24like, you know, giving you like a dysin

30:26script. So, it's totally different. Like

30:28people just smoking like street meth

30:30that's horrible. And I don't really

30:32think that anyone should use stimulants

30:34ever. Uh but it there's a difference

30:36between like the meth that people think

30:38about from like Breaking Bad and uh

30:41actual like prescription uh dysin.

30:44>> So if you did have the Heisenberg 99.8%

30:47pure, you think that it would come with

30:48less adverse effects than what you say

30:49is [ __ ] biker myth?

30:51>> Yeah. I mean, but it's just about uh

30:54dosing at the end of the day because uh

30:56there's a lot of dop dopamine toxicity

30:58that you could get because of how easy

31:00it is to abuse the drug. It's super

31:03addictive and there's no uh doctor

31:06controlling the amount that's prescribed

31:09to you because you're buying it from

31:11drug dealers obviously. So people aren't

31:13able to control uh their dose protocol.

31:16They're doing hundreds of milligs

31:18sometimes and causing a a [ __ ] ton of

31:21neurotoxicity. That's why I think meth

31:24is something that should never really be

31:27done. I just share my experiences

31:29because I stream so much that if I tried

31:32to hide anything, it would just come

31:33out. Anyway, I began blowing up on

31:35social media and I wanted to ascend in a

31:38very short time frame. So, I was methm

31:40maxing to lean out as much as possible

31:42in a short duration of time.

31:43>> What was your preferred meth dosage when

31:45you're methaxing?

31:46>> Uh, usually around like 10 milligrams.

31:49>> Would that be like a line?

31:51>> Well,

31:52yeah, more or less. to where you could

31:54take it orally, but like when people

31:56hear like methamphetamine, they assume

31:59it's like a guy smoking out of a pipe.

32:00But 10 milligs of methamphetamine is

32:03quite similar to the average aderall

32:05prescription.

32:05>> It kind of reminds me of that

32:06conversation about like lean versus

32:08heroin, how it was normalized to like

32:09sip lean, but then it was, you know,

32:11people would get shade thrown at them

32:13for doing oxycottton or heroin, but it's

32:15still chemically similar. The same thing

32:16with all.

32:17>> Yeah. what I'm doing is really not like

32:19not trying to like justify my my usage

32:21or anything cuz I I stopped doing it.

32:23Like it's it's quite terrible, but uh

32:25that nuance was never something that was

32:27included in the headlines cuz like

32:28mathemat sounds so funny that it's like

32:30a headline. It was a lot different than

32:33people really could imagine. Oh, hey,

32:35what's up guys? I didn't see you there.

32:37I want to show you something super

32:38important. So, right now on my phone, I

32:41have a dopeass ass news aggregate pulled

32:43up called Ground News, which is Channel

32:445's primary research tool that we peep

32:47before going into the field to figure

32:48out what the heck is really going on.

32:50Here's how it works. Every single day,

32:52Ground News compiles thousands upon

32:54thousands of articles from across the

32:56world and maps them across the political

32:58spectrum in terms of bias, factuality,

33:00and [music] ownership so you can figure

33:02out who might be paying for what

33:04message, if you know what I mean. The

33:06news media industry has been compromised

33:08and destroyed by the same corporate

33:09investors and lobbying groups that have

33:11poisoned our two-party political system.

33:13And for that reason, it's hard to tell

33:15who's telling the truth. But with Ground

33:16News, it gets a little bit easier, even

33:18in the case of Clavicular. So, as I can

33:20see here, each major story that's broken

33:22about Clav has been chronicled and

33:24mapped by ground news. So before meeting

33:26up with him in Fort Lauderdale, [music]

33:27I did a bit of homework, looked him up

33:29on the app, and saw that the far

33:30majority of his mainstream coverage

33:32consisted of left-leaning outlets

33:34attacking him, criticizing Clavvicular.

33:36For example, Out Magazine published a

33:38heavily circulated article titled How

33:40Clvicular and his looks maxing

33:41subculture are like toxic gays without

33:43the sex. And a second critical think

33:45piece called what looks maxing says

33:48about modern masculinity. And news

33:49flash, they didn't have great things to

33:51say about what [music] bone smashing and

33:53peptide injection says about the state

33:56of young men in the US. These articles

33:58are absolutely and utterly riddled with

33:59scathing commentary that put me into the

34:01mind of a clav hater. But as a

34:03journalist, I had to understand the mind

34:04of a clav supporter as well. But as you

34:06can see here on the right, there's

34:08absolutely no coverage. Not a peep from

34:10Fox News, Blaze, Big Tucker, nobody on

34:13the right coming to Clavvicular's

34:15defense. This helped me to understand

34:17and truly realize that Clav is a

34:19subcultural leader building an empire

34:21and army of his own without the help

34:23positive help of the right-wing

34:24political establishment. Except for

34:26maybe Peter Teal, which I'm a bit

34:28curious about. Why would the CEO of

34:30Palunteer be signal boosting antisocial

34:32biological determinists willing to

34:34sterilize themselves in pursuit of a

34:36constantly moving unattainable [music]

34:37success target? Hm. If you know more,

34:39email me. So, back to Clav and the

34:41relationship between Clavvicular and the

34:42mainstream media. I talked about it a

34:44bit, but there really isn't one. As you

34:46can see here, the biggest Clav story

34:47ever titled Moggging, Maxing, and Clav

34:50briefly explained only has six sources.

34:53Six sources covering it. That's [music]

34:55absolute peanuts and crickets compared

34:57to the daily Iran war updates. But I'm

34:59willing to bet that 75% of young Gen

35:02Alpha dudes can tell you when and where

35:04Clav last got frame [music] logged

35:05before they could point out the goddamn

35:07straight of Hormuse. And that is why

35:09Ground News has a dope ass feature

35:11called the blind spot feed, which

35:13doesn't just focus on big stories across

35:15two-party political lines. They show you

35:17things not being covered by the

35:19mainstream media at all and help you

35:21break out of your algorithmic echo

35:22chamber. Boom. Ground news, dope ass

35:24news aggregate. And guess [music] what?

35:26If you want to be like me, a dopeass

35:28ground news subscriber, today is your

35:30lucky day. Just go to ground.new/ new /

35:32channel5 or scan the QR code on screen

35:35right here and you can get a whopping

35:3640% off the unlimited access Vantage

35:39plan bringing the cost down to about

35:42five bucks a month. Break free from

35:43algorithmic hypnosis. Back to Fort

35:45Lauderdale. Speaking of headlines, like

35:46how's your experience been with the

35:48mainstream media in general?

35:50>> Like a lot more positive than a lot of

35:53people think it should be. people really

35:55want to tie looks maxing to uh some type

35:59of political movement, whether it be,

36:01you know, leftwing, right-wing,

36:03whatever. But it is completely

36:05apolitical. And I've I've had good

36:07experiences with reporters on both side

36:10of of the aisle and uh they've, you

36:13know, just written based on their

36:15experiences, not trying to hit piece me

36:16in a lot of uh regards. So I I think

36:20that has like thrown people off. If like

36:22you know GQ for example wrote like a

36:24nice article cuz we spent the day with

36:26the reporter he got an honest insight

36:28into my routine my protocol whatever

36:31it's like we were veryospitable to the

36:34guy you know he he gave us a fair

36:35article and people are like oh you know

36:37bro's like whatever he's got the these

36:41weird implications behind uh him for

36:44like having a good article from a

36:46leftist media uh company where it's like

36:49I'm not a political figure. So, it's

36:50like that's pretty sensible.

36:52>> How was your experience working with

36:53Elena?

36:54>> Elena's great. I think she's a she's a

36:56very nice girl and I'm glad we got to do

36:58that collaboration cuz that was like a

37:00one of the key key things talked about

37:03in Looks Maxing is like a lot of the the

37:06male models like the PSL gods uh is what

37:09it's like referred to. Not to be like

37:12obviously what's what's the word for it?

37:15I know that's against the Ten

37:16Commandments or whatever.

37:17>> Uh sin. Sinful.

37:19>> Yeah. not not to be sinful or or

37:21whatever. That's just how it's referred

37:22to on internet forums. Obviously,

37:24idolization of [laughter] of uh people

37:27is not good. But yeah, that's like kind

37:29of a meme in the community. So, actually

37:31like walking on the runway was uh kind

37:34of mog and it's like, okay, now you

37:36started on the forums, now you're like

37:38one of the people that the forum was

37:39talking about. So, it was a cool like

37:41full circle moment for you.

37:42>> Yeah, a little bit. I guess you could

37:43say that. Was that like the moment you

37:44think you're most proud of?

37:45>> There's been a lot. It's kind of just

37:47like a steady up and up so far that

37:50there's like a lot of But that was

37:51certainly like one specific event that

37:54was Yeah, that's a big one.

37:55>> What's like one event that comes to mind

37:56as well that you were like, "Holy [ __ ]

37:57I can't believe that was me in that

37:59video and this all this is happening."

38:00>> I just think it's it's consistency more

38:04so than just like becoming like trendy

38:07or viral based on one thing. just the

38:09fact that I'm consistently uh streaming

38:11every single day, getting more and more

38:13clips out there, doing more and more

38:15media appearance, just generally

38:18captivating more people with my message

38:20cuz it resonates super well with a

38:22society of men who are really not that

38:24well off in a lot of regards.

38:25>> In what sense, like what do you think

38:27are the main things that men are

38:28suffering from in 2026?

38:29>> Economic struggle, lack of success in

38:32the dating market, hypergamy, stuff like

38:34that. But your idea is to sort of

38:35withdraw from the dating market to an

38:37extent and pursue self-improvement in a

38:39way to ascend in a way that doesn't

38:41[clears throat] in last place.

38:42>> I think you're going to be wasting your

38:44time entering the dating market until

38:46you are maximized

38:48>> in career and aesthetic

38:50>> and every metric. Yeah. Really?

38:51>> I know you hate talking about politics

38:53and the last thing I want to do is trap

38:54you in a a politics rabbit hole, but you

38:56mentioned that looks maxing isn't

38:57political. There is an association in

38:59the press with looks maxing and the sort

39:00of right-wing manosphere. Do you agree

39:02with that? It's more so just the fact

39:05that I've collaborated with like people

39:07who who say like edgy things, but that's

39:10my brand. It's like I I really don't

39:11care. Like I'm really not trying to be

39:13like PR or whatever. Uh it would just be

39:16just too much work really. So that's why

39:19I guess they've tried to do that. But in

39:21terms of my actual political ideology

39:24and whether or not looks maxing has any

39:27political implications, it doesn't. So

39:29and looks maxing is bigger than myself,

39:32right? So, even if I were to

39:33hypothetically be right or leftwing, it

39:35wouldn't change the fact that looks

39:36maxing is apolitical.

39:38>> What does the S and PSL stand for?

39:39>> Uh, sled.com.

39:41>> That's that's a pretty intense like uh

39:43word, right?

39:43>> Uh, yeah, I would say so.

39:45>> You don't think that like veers towards

39:47sort of like a anti-woman vibe?

39:49>> Well, that's not really a Lookaxing

39:51forum,

39:52>> but it's in the greater orbit.

39:53>> Yeah.

39:54>> Yeah. So, I mean, there's also like the

39:56owner of looks.org also hosts like, you

39:59know, the Intel forum. It's like, you

40:01know what I And there's plenty of

40:02hateful rhetoric on there, but it

40:04doesn't change the fact that looks

40:05maxing as an action is apolitical. You

40:09know, even if there's like people on

40:11forums who have had a lack of success

40:13with women who suddenly turn hateful,

40:15it's like, yeah, that that has nothing

40:18to do with looks maxing really cuz the

40:20entire idea of looks maxing is to

40:22disassociate with inceldom is to escape

40:25that.

40:25>> But there is a pipeline like an incel

40:27can ascend through looks maxing and get

40:29out of a situation. I think that the

40:31word incel has been largely misused. So,

40:35let's clarify what that actually is.

40:37Incelss is commonly referred to by the

40:40media as just people who hate women on

40:42internet forums. When in actuality, it's

40:44someone who's involuntarily celibate and

40:47can't get women. And it is true. A lot

40:49of those people become extremely

40:51resentful and become extremely hateful.

40:54And that's an unfortunate thing because

40:56that's really not productive in any

40:58regard, is it? You know, I don't support

41:00there that obviously I would say it's

41:02ridiculous to sit there all day writing

41:04up like hate posts on a forum. I'm

41:06saying the way to actually fix your life

41:08is to look Max and not, you know, be

41:11hateful against, you know, women because

41:13you can't have any success with them.

41:15>> You see yourself as potentially helping

41:17people like that.

41:18>> Yeah. Like that's the the best way to

41:20escape that sort of thing is actually by

41:22looks maxing.

41:23>> Have you heard any success stories from

41:24your supporters who started off in cells

41:26and are now killing [ __ ] after your

41:27protocol? Yeah, of course. I mean,

41:29that's the main way that people can

41:32escape that mentality.

41:33>> And does that make you feel gratified

41:34that you were able to help younger

41:36dudes?

41:36>> Yeah, of course. I mean, the the more

41:39people who could have success from looks

41:42maxing, it kind of just proves me right.

41:44So, I don't want to think about it

41:46necessarily from like an egotistical

41:48perspective. It feels good because I'm

41:51still not that far out of it, right? So,

41:53I was that guy not too long ago. So, I

41:56still can put myself in their shoes and

41:58empathize with having a bad job, like

42:01working in a restaurant, being

42:02unattractive, not being able to get

42:04girls. It's not like I'm, you know, 40

42:06years old with a long and successful

42:08media career. I just started doing this.

42:10And yeah, maybe I'm uh successful now

42:13and my life is completely different than

42:16it was, but it's not, you know,

42:18completely out of my my hindsight.

42:20>> As far as the mechanics of like the

42:22stuff you do here, like how much do you

42:23stream? Like how many hours per day this

42:25month are you streaming?

42:26>> Well, we're streaming 24/7 for the whole

42:29marathon.

42:29>> Holy [ __ ] Is that exhausting for you?

42:31>> Yeah, it's been uh it's been quite

42:32brutal so far.

42:33>> In what sense?

42:34>> Uh just like lack of sleep cuz you know

42:37sometimes we'll have a segment that

42:39comes about late in the night and then

42:41you're up till 6:00 7:00 in the morning.

42:43Uh then the next day is is cooked and

42:46then you know you try to reset your

42:47sleep schedule, you can't fall asleep.

42:49So that sort of thing has been quite

42:51exhausting. What have been some of your

42:52favorite moments from the stream so far

42:54this month?

42:54>> Favorite moments from the stream. We did

42:56a couple collabs like Blueface was a

42:59really excited exciting one because that

43:02was someone we were listening to

43:04throughout, you know, the comeup of my

43:06streaming career.

43:07>> I didn't know you're a rap fan.

43:08>> Yeah, I like all sorts of music. And

43:10then we collabed with Ryan Garcia also.

43:13Same same day. So, it's pretty cool to

43:15to see that. It's always just funny when

43:17you see uh people in real life that

43:19you've only seen on like a TV growing

43:21up.

43:22>> As far as your clipping and distribution

43:24style, who are your influences in that

43:25regard?

43:26>> In terms of the clipping, that's not

43:28something that we really have any

43:30control over. Like in a lot of the clips

43:32actually make me look like quite jester

43:34because it's paid uh by kick or just a

43:37community of people on like a CPM basis.

43:39We can't like tell the clippers like oh

43:41like this moment was really good. A lot

43:42of times they'll like AI my face with

43:44like goofy filters and [ __ ] And like

43:46for example, I was working out not too

43:48long ago and they like edited it till

43:50the end of my set and they were like,

43:51"He only gets two reps with this weight

43:54or whatever." The clipping is is great

43:55and it it really does help push you out

43:57there. Like I was number one in clipping

43:59views. A lot of reporters fall for like

44:01clipping memes. Like or a reporter

44:02called me yesterday asking about like

44:04the the Chad ranking thing or whatever.

44:07I don't know if you've seen that on

44:08Twitter.

44:08>> No. What is that?

44:09>> Yeah, exactly. It's just it's just some

44:11stupid stupid uh Twitter meme, but they

44:13think it's like actually part of the

44:14movement sometimes.

44:15>> Did you expect that the frame mogging

44:17ASU frat leader uh clip would go as

44:19viral as it did?

44:20>> Um, no, not really. But I never really

44:24predict what's going to go viral.

44:26>> Do you orchestrate some of these moments

44:27or do they occur naturally?

44:29>> They occur naturally.

44:30>> Just you in the field.

44:31>> Yeah. I mean, we just stream so many

44:33hours that crazy [ __ ] is just bound to

44:36happen with the environments that we're

44:37going into. One thing that I've seen to

44:39be a major point of debate and

44:40contention is the whole body count. What

44:42do you think is the ideal body count?

44:44>> Well, for who? For

44:46>> Let's start with for for dudes, for guys

44:48like us.

44:49>> I don't really think that there's an

44:50ideal. I think that the argument that a

44:53lot of red pillars and people in the

44:54manosphere give is like getting this

44:57amount of bodies so that you're able to

45:00understand female nature and this that

45:02and the other thing when that's really

45:04not not true and it's not necessary. I

45:07think what it's really about is just the

45:09willingness to like put your foot down

45:12in bad relationships and leave. Cuz a

45:15lot of dudes are so desperate, they

45:16finally get that girlfriend and they're

45:18so unwilling to to lose it that they

45:21just have their girlfriend walking all

45:23over them, not respecting them. And

45:25that's more so the problem. And that's

45:28something that, you know, men who are

45:30getting a lot of of women are more

45:31likely to avoid. But you can avoid it

45:34without having 50 sexual partners.

45:37Certainly.

45:37>> What do you think's the ideal body count

45:39for a woman? Does it matter?

45:41>> I would say that having any previous

45:43sexual encounters is is not good.

45:46>> So the ideal situation is like a a

45:47virgin.

45:48>> Correct. Yeah.

45:49>> Why?

45:50>> Because of something called pair

45:51bonding. That's what a relationship is

45:53all about, right? A long-term

45:55relationship with a partner being pair

45:58bonded with different brain chemicals uh

46:01with that person. So if that process is

46:03damaged in any sort of way that just

46:06reduces the chance of success in that

46:09relationship, right? So that's not like

46:11an anti-woman perspective. I think

46:14that's just a very like scientific

46:17reason for that. It's not just like low

46:19IQ typical jester.

46:22>> Don't talk [ __ ] about my wife, you

46:24stupid. Shut your [ __ ] mouth. Elix,

46:26you're a [ __ ] dick. That's really

46:28like all that you get, you know, saying

46:30the word like [ __ ] And it's like if

46:33you're just gonna do that without, you

46:35know, giving any reason on why the

46:37promiscuity is bad, then you're just

46:41like a jester. It doesn't mean anything.

46:43>> So, do you think males lose parabonding

46:45value in the same way that women do as

46:46they

46:47>> No, it's a little bit different.

46:48>> How come you think?

46:49>> Well, just the the way that our brain

46:51chemistries are are different, right?

46:53So, and it's also not necessarily a a

46:55bad thing because it's like we're

46:56talking about before the ability to put

46:58your foot down and leave bad situations

47:00because the framing in a relationship

47:03has for centuries throughout the entire

47:05existence of organized societies has

47:08been in the favor of men, right? It's

47:10been male-dominated societies. That's

47:12sort of what needs to be restored.

47:15>> Don't you think you maybe want a more

47:16experienced partner so that that person

47:19has better understanding of human

47:21intimacy? No, cuz that's not what sex is

47:23intended for, right? That's Yeah, like

47:26it's enjoyable to have sex with women,

47:28but that's not the intention behind it

47:30and that was never meant to be. That

47:32this is like a very new thing in the

47:34context of history. People just have

47:36regular sex with random people for pure

47:40pleasure and then never talk to them

47:42again.

47:42>> But weren't the ancient Romans on some

47:43like gay orgy vibes and like samuris

47:46were on some gay [ __ ]

47:46>> First of all, it's not even the Romans

47:49necessarily. is more so the army but

47:52like what's the what's the relevance of

47:54that?

47:55>> Well, you're talking about the people

47:56having sex for pleasure as a new thing

47:57and that beforehand it was not used for

47:59that purpose.

48:00>> I said generally

48:01>> generally got you.

48:01>> But yeah, in terms of relationship just

48:05because like Roman soldiers who hadn't

48:07seen their wives and have no ability to

48:09see their wives were homosexual, that

48:11doesn't, you know, change what I'm

48:13saying.

48:13>> But it was outliers back then.

48:15>> Yeah. It it almost is like the same

48:16context as people in prison weren't able

48:18to have sex with their wife. So, back to

48:20what you were saying, which I think is

48:21super interesting. You're saying you

48:22feel like nowadays relationship and

48:24human intimacy and sex has changed.

48:26>> Yeah. Yeah, it has changed

48:27>> and in the sense that before it was more

48:29just about procreation.

48:30>> Yep. More about intimacy, procreation,

48:34uh bonding with your partner and now

48:37that that really doesn't exist.

48:39>> And what do you think I guess

48:40hypersexualized our society?

48:42>> The sexual revolution, clubbing culture,

48:45just it being normalized,

48:46contraceptives, all that kind of stuff.

48:48So, relatively new stuff. Like, you're

48:50talking pretty much since like the mid

48:521900s.

48:53>> Yeah.

48:53>> Yeah.

48:54>> Mhm.

48:54>> And what do you think was the greater

48:55agenda at play there? You think it was

48:56just people losing their family values

48:58or

48:58>> I don't really think that that matters,

49:00the greater agenda play like that's just

49:03going to be a lot of like conspiratorial

49:05talk. It just doesn't it doesn't matter.

49:07I more mean like just after World War II

49:08ends, like the hippie movement starts

49:10and you have this sort of like like you

49:11said, sexual revolution, people

49:12expressing themselves in new ways and

49:14kind of just like subcultures emerging

49:16like the divorce rate went up after that

49:17and all that stuff in the past 70 years.

49:19Well, yeah. And that's like people

49:21moving away from religion like the

49:23Catholic Church doesn't allow divorce uh

49:26or at least it's not supposed to.

49:27There's a variety of factors why people

49:30chose to sort of have this rebellion

49:32against traditionalism and it happened

49:35so it is what it is. And you think that

49:36it was ultimately a bad thing to turn

49:38away from the church?

49:39>> Yeah, I would I would say so.

49:41>> How come?

49:42>> Well, I think that there's a lot of

49:45benefit to having some sort of like

49:47structure in play in a society, but I

49:49think I am not the most well educated

49:53theologian. So, I don't really talk

49:55about theological issues. It's not that

49:57I'm like anti- relligion. It's just I

50:00don't really like to talk on any issues

50:02I don't have too much authority on. So,

50:05I I really haven't like thought about it

50:07too much or done any research.

50:09>> You just mentioned the Catholic church

50:10specifically. I was just wondering if

50:11you grew up religiously.

50:12>> Yeah, I went to Catholic school.

50:13>> Oh, okay. Word. I didn't know that. How

50:14was your experience there?

50:16>> Good.

50:16>> I read that your parents were involved

50:17in bodybuilding in some way.

50:19>> Yeah, my my mom.

50:20>> Your your dad, too, or just your mom?

50:21>> My dad just lifted recreationally.

50:23>> But you were around people who exercised

50:25in your life and people who cared about

50:26their aesthetic long before Looks Max

50:28and came into the picture, right?

50:29>> Mhm. Yep. What's the main thing you feel

50:32like the mainstream media gets wrong

50:33about you that you really feel like

50:35needs to be rectified?

50:36>> That looks maxing is from a place of

50:39insecurity. That is true for a lot of

50:41people, but that's not universal. Like

50:44you could just encounter all of these

50:46different studies that I'm referencing

50:48from like online dating apps or, you

50:51know, stuff with looks correlating to

50:53higher average incomes and decide, oh,

50:55it makes sense for me to dedicate my

50:57time to looks maxing because you

50:58calculate the ROI. I'm just confused cuz

51:00it's like on one hand you're saying you

51:02want to like help men improve their

51:04aesthetics and succeed in life so that

51:06they don't feel so lonely and not

51:07they're not so hateful and they can go

51:08out and succeed. Then you also say that

51:09like going out and dating and stuff is a

51:11waste of time and that you should

51:12prioritize looks maxing and aesthetic

51:14improvement. So I'm just trying to

51:15figure out like what the real goal is

51:17for improvement cuz it kind of feels

51:18like a closed circle, you know? Well, so

51:20you're maxing and then you know you're

51:23you're putting into play any of the uh

51:26things we're talking about like you know

51:27low in maxing with pregab for example

51:30and going out and doing stuff like that

51:31that just has a lower ROI if you haven't

51:34looks maxed going to have a lack of

51:36success

51:37>> once you reach like maximum mog levels

51:39maximum aesthetic like when you become a

51:41true 10 at that point

51:43>> then you get to do whatever you you

51:44really feel is is the path for you and I

51:47couldn't tell you that but whatever path

51:48that you decide side, you're going to

51:50have a much easier time and you're going

51:52to be a lot better off. So, yeah, that

51:54is a hard thing for me to try to

51:56conceptualize and give a recommendation

51:58on because I think I'm a lot different

52:01than the normal person in terms of like

52:03what I enjoy, activities I like to do.

52:05So, yeah, that's that's why it might be

52:07like a little bit confusing cuz I'm like

52:09leaving that part of the equation out of

52:11it. It's because I don't know. You're

52:13you, I'm me. And you know, we get to

52:15this uh spot of of being maxed out in as

52:18many metrics as possible and then we

52:20take it from there.

52:21>> Has anybody reached full ascension?

52:23>> Ascending is kind of like an ongoing

52:25process like

52:26>> is there any tens out there like people

52:28who have

52:28>> No.

52:29>> Really?

52:29>> No.

52:30>> Will there ever be a sort of messiah?

52:32>> Uh not with the technology we have now.

52:36>> Oh, the methods would have to improve to

52:38the point where like like scientific

52:39evolution would precede that.

52:41>> Yeah. more so like just surgical

52:43intervention. Who knows? So, I'm I'm

52:46really not going to predict what sort of

52:48science is is going to come in the

52:50future. How did you feel about the whole

52:52like Miami Club controversy a few months

52:53ago?

52:54>> The controversy I'm referring to is how

52:55many people including myself became

52:57aware of Clav in the first [music]

52:58place? So, while on stream a while ago

53:01now, Clav went to a nightclub in Miami

53:03with some other guys. While they were

53:05out, both in the sprinter van and inside

53:06the club, somebody played Kanye's famous

53:09Hitler song. [music] You know the one.

53:10The incident led to widespread media

53:12attention, condemnation by political

53:14leadership, a blame game amongst

53:16participants, and earned Clav a lifelong

53:18ban from all major Miami clubs.

53:20>> How do I feel about it?

53:21>> Yeah, the aftermath, like the magnitude.

53:22>> I mean, it sucks not being able to go to

53:24like some of the MOG clubs. I mean, I

53:27just started college club maxing. In a

53:29lot of ways, that was like actually

53:32better because it's it's more affordable

53:34actually. So like you know a lot of

53:36people like sort of like to to talk

53:38about that in interviews and it's like

53:40dude what's the the relevance like how's

53:42that even correlated with looks max.

53:44>> You talk about mainstream coverage and

53:46the magnitude of coverage that has came

53:48after some of these controversies and

53:49the things they get wrong.

53:50>> Yeah. Yeah. So I'd say that that would

53:53be something that they get wrong that um

53:56you know I'm political.

53:57>> So when you're with those guys you

53:58didn't know that was going to happen?

53:59>> No. No. I mean no one no one really

54:02intended on that. Like I didn't play it.

54:03It's just like kind of interesting how

54:05like that keeps getting like brought

54:07back. It really like kind of died off.

54:09>> Yeah. I mean, I don't we don't even need

54:10to talk about it. I was just wondering

54:11if you had any closing commentary on or

54:13anything reflective you had to say about

54:15it.

54:15>> I had nothing to do with it.

54:16>> In general, what's your 10ear plan? Do

54:18you think that far ahead?

54:19>> No. Actually talking to uh one of my

54:21buddies the other day, like the goalpost

54:23is always moving, so it would be

54:26ridiculous to set a goal for yourself.

54:28>> Do you have a dream collaboration? I

54:29mean, there's a lot of people who I'd

54:32like to collaborate with, some bigger

54:34media personalities. I mean, having as

54:37many like press appearances as possible

54:39is always a good thing cuz it allows you

54:41to talk to new audiences, right? You're

54:44targeting a little bit older of a

54:46demographic within Gen Z.

54:48>> Our demographic is basically the uh

54:50latest Gen Z. So, like the average

54:51Channel 5 viewer is a 27year-old

54:54American man,

54:54>> whereas I'm like more 18 to 24.

54:57>> That's good. I think it's super

54:58interesting too like the uh the volume

55:00of content they seem to appreciate. They

55:02like content filmed over a long period

55:03of time like 8 hours of content straight

55:06and they want it live whereas our

55:07audience prefers a more polished maybe

55:0915-minute piece that's like a bunch of

55:10footage edited perfectly and has with

55:12like a narrative arc and a through line.

55:13>> Yeah, I think there's all sorts of media

55:15that that [clears throat] people enjoy,

55:17but I think the main part of streaming

55:19that people enjoy is just like not

55:21knowing what's going to happen next. It

55:24sort of seems like in a lot of my

55:26streams like things could take a turn

55:28for the worst, the best. Like you really

55:31don't know what what to expect. I don't

55:33know what to expect

55:33>> cuz Yeah, cuz you're filming so much

55:35stuff. It's like a lot of things can

55:36happen. Is there any moments you regret

55:37from streaming?

55:38>> Not really. Cuz we're we're here now.

55:41>> So even the losses you took on the way

55:42we're all part of the hustle and

55:44journey.

55:44>> Yeah, cuz it's like you learn like maybe

55:46that's not a good idea to do that.

55:48>> From a security standpoint, how do you

55:49stop stream snipers from ruining your

55:51>> We're not going to talk about that.

55:52>> Okay. just because you want people to

55:54know what your protocol is.

55:56>> Correct.

55:57>> Or trying to think what else I should

55:58ask about. It's tough because I don't

55:59want to put you in any boxes, but I'm

56:01sure there's people that probably want

56:02to know about various controversies. If

56:04you don't want to talk about it, that's

56:05cool.

56:05>> I mean, more so like to talk about like

56:08luxing in my interviews

56:10>> and it's like kind of annoying because

56:12no interviewer has actually like come up

56:15with a question ever that's been more

56:17than what would be the number one piece

56:19of advice you would recommend people to

56:21Luxmax. I've genuinely never had a

56:24single person ask me specifics about how

56:27do these two things interact or how does

56:30looks maxing differ from this age to to

56:32this age? Is it still possible to looks

56:34max? Like there's no effort really

56:36behind the questions that you guys

56:38prepare. Seemingly it just seems to be a

56:41lot of like gotcha mode like clip farm

56:44[ __ ]

56:45>> I'm not doing that.

56:46>> Yeah, you are a little bit to a degree.

56:47>> I don't think so. I think when you see

56:49the full presentation, it's not really

56:50going to be edited or clipped into my

56:52face.

56:52>> Well, just because it's not the worst

56:53interview I've had. I mean, like you're

56:54you had like a couple ones that you were

56:56trying to sneak in with like, oh, what

56:58is like uh what is [ __ ] hate? It's like

57:00>> Yeah. I mean, it's the second letter in

57:02the

57:02>> But I mean, like you you know what

57:04you're intentionally trying to do.

57:06>> Yeah. I'm trying to figure out because

57:07it's a pretty strongly worded forum and

57:09subculture.

57:09>> Yeah. That would be and that would be

57:10fine if that question was in there

57:12because it's decently relevant to the

57:14culture, but there was not even a single

57:17a single genuine attempt at like a

57:20specific Looksmax question.

57:21>> Well, I'm not in the Looks Maxing

57:22community. I'm trying to learn about it.

57:24Not everyone talking to you is going to

57:25be a niche person who knows about all

57:26the methods.

57:27>> Yeah, I know you're not in the Looks

57:28Maxing community, but you didn't even

57:30ask a Looks Maxing question like at all.

57:33You don't need to be in the Looks Maxing

57:34community to ask a Looks Maxing

57:36question.

57:36>> I think we've been talking about Looks

57:38Maxing this whole time. Uh we've been

57:39talking about like the philosophy behind

57:41it and it's

57:42>> you want me to ask you a scientific

57:43question about looks maxing.

57:44>> I just think it's kind of funny how like

57:46that's really never been done with the

57:48amount of like media appearances.

57:50>> Maybe people don't know you want to be

57:51asked that.

57:52>> Well, now they will.

57:53>> Well, that's quite literally what your

57:55companies your your

57:56>> companies. You think I work for like a

57:58like Time Warner or something?

57:59>> Your your press companies. You work for

58:00for Channel 5.

58:02>> It's a YouTube channel called Channel 5.

58:03I don't I'm the CEO of my own company. I

58:06don't have any

58:07>> agenda to play here.

58:08>> Semant holy semantics, dude. Like what?

58:11>> It's a pretty big difference between

58:12working for an affiliate news station

58:13like Channel 5, the TV company.

58:15>> Well, the fact of the matter is like you

58:17guys specifically reach out, we want to

58:20interview him about looks maxing, and

58:22then you'll start asking like political

58:24questions and I'm just like, okay. Like,

58:26I don't mind it. You know what I mean?

58:27I'm not really like afraid to answer

58:30anything. you know, gone through every

58:32single question of yours besides the one

58:33about my security, which is a little bit

58:36weird, but um yeah, not a not a single

58:39attempt at anything in regards to Looks

58:41Max.

58:42>> Okay. What's a question I should ask?

58:43>> Well, that's up to you. It's like what

58:45am I going to tell you how to do your

58:46job?

58:47>> You told me you want me to ask you about

58:49specific scientific questions about

58:51different Looks maxing methods.

58:52>> Well, I mean, just

58:53>> and you're not happy with the question

58:54about the peptides or the bone smashing

58:56or anything like that? I mean like can

58:58you not identify like anything that you

59:00have a a curiosity about? Like maybe you

59:03know you work wake up with with dark

59:05circles in your eyes one morning and

59:07like you know even something like that.

59:09I mean just like even if you don't give

59:11a [ __ ] I mean like it would be like at

59:13least you know you put a little bit of

59:14effort into

59:15>> I think I've done a pretty good

59:16interview

59:16>> from what like context because if it's

59:19from the context of what you guys

59:21reached out was your intention then I

59:24would say that you've done a pretty

59:26shitty job.

59:26>> All right. Well, I think people probably

59:28want to learn about you and that was

59:29what I was trying to give you the

59:30opportunity to do.

59:31>> Well, no and I think that's that's

59:32totally fair and that's I applaud you

59:34for that. But not one, you know,

59:37question about about luxing.

59:39>> There's been so many questions about

59:41looks maxing. I've probably asked you

59:42about looks maxing like 40 times.

59:45>> I just don't know the specific science.

59:46I'm not in the community.

59:48>> Okay. Well, I mean, like if you were to

59:51ask about like something in regards to

59:53hair lo like there's really nothing.

59:54>> Yeah, sure. Hair loss. [laughter]

59:56>> You see what I mean?

59:57>> You're telling me what you trying to

59:58get?

59:58>> I'm telling you what to ask. So, when

1:00:00you wake up every single morning and you

1:00:02take a look in the mirror, you're 100%

1:00:05satisfied with every single thing. Is

1:00:08that what you're talking?

1:00:09>> Yeah, more or less.

1:00:12>> Okay, dude. All right. Well, um

1:00:18I I guess that's just if you want to be

1:00:20completely disingenuous, that's fine

1:00:22with me. I guess there's just no no

1:00:24point to continue.

1:00:25>> All right. Thank you for your time.

1:00:26>> Thank you.

1:00:28>> All right.

1:00:32Yep.

1:00:35>> All right. Thanks, guys. No worries.

1:00:40>> Yeah. No, everything's fine.

1:00:42>> We're all good.

1:00:44>> All good.

1:00:44>> Yeah.

1:00:45>> Though a bit disappointed that things

1:00:47panned out the way they did, I was too

1:00:49overwhelmed with excitement to trip too

1:00:51hard about Clav cutting things short. I

1:00:52had just gotten word hours prior that

1:00:54rapper and newly championed First

1:00:56Amendment icon Afroman was down to give

1:00:58Channel 5 his first long- form exclusive

1:01:01interview after defeating the Adams

1:01:03County Sheriff's Department in Ohio,

1:01:05whose officers sued [music] him for

1:01:06defamation after Afroand wrote a song

1:01:09mocking them for unconstitutionally

1:01:11raiding his home back in 2022. Here's a

1:01:13preview of that.

1:01:13>> They don't know they're the original man

1:01:15God created. They don't know they

1:01:16invented the pyramid. They don't know

1:01:18the Moors took knowledge to the Greeks

1:01:22and and and the Egyptians took and the

1:01:24Moors brought knowledge to Spain and

1:01:26Europe. They don't know there are these

1:01:28intellectual people. All they know is

1:01:31what this guy that don't like him told

1:01:32them. That's my reason why I don't like

1:01:34the n-word. I don't I don't think black

1:01:36people should call themselves that. If

1:01:37you'd like to see that interview with

1:01:38Afroman [music] in its raw form, which

1:01:40is over 3 hours in runtime, it's out now

1:01:43on our Patreon at patreon.com/chan5

1:01:46along with the Goonversary documentary.

1:01:48All right, back to Fort Lauderdale and

1:01:50Clav. Although Clvicular and I didn't

1:01:52exactly see eye to eye during our

1:01:54sitdown, especially toward the end, he

1:01:56actually invited our crew back out the

1:01:58next night because he, like most people,

1:02:00wanted to party with our co-host,

1:02:02Saddam.

1:02:06>> [music]

1:02:07>> Yo, can you define success to me?

1:02:11[music]

1:02:13>> You're looking at it, brother.

1:02:15>> Would you rather have financial success,

1:02:18uh, looks magic success or like romantic

1:02:22success? [music]

1:02:23>> Looks first, everything else follows.

1:02:25>> We're right here. We're in the club with

1:02:27Clvic Vicular right now. He got the

1:02:29whole section full of Stacy's and um,

1:02:32we're just chillmaxing.

1:02:38We love We love We love

1:02:43>> something serious about this [ __ ] They

1:02:46really bounce at looks maxing. This

1:02:48[ __ ] a god to some people. [music]

1:02:49What's your thoughts on looks maxing?

1:02:51>> People can do whatever they want. Me

1:02:54personally, I like the way I look. So,

1:02:56I'm happy with that. I don't have to do

1:02:58anything. But if that if you want to

1:03:01change something about yourself, then

1:03:03that's it's whatever,

1:03:04>> bro. If there's something you don't like

1:03:05about yourself, change it, man. Wake up

1:03:07and just change it. Are you a looks

1:03:08maxer?

1:03:10>> Stop living a life you don't want to

1:03:12live. You know what I'm saying?

1:03:13>> Societal indoctrination of looks not

1:03:15mattering is completely ridiculous. And

1:03:17I think that's been shown throughout the

1:03:18last 10 to 15 years with social media.

1:03:20You know, if you're really serious about

1:03:22improving tangible things like money

1:03:24status, relationships, like improving

1:03:26looks is a pretty obvious thing to do.

1:03:27If you have to look max, you're not that

1:03:30hot.

1:03:30>> What are your thoughts on the looks

1:03:31maxing movement?

1:03:32>> I love it. I love everything about it.

1:03:34>> Why is that?

1:03:35>> Because I mean, if you can improve

1:03:36yourself, why not do it? Do it for the

1:03:39fun. Why not look good, have money, and

1:03:41be successful all at the same time? You

1:03:43know what I'm saying? And if you attract

1:03:45more people into your life, that's more

1:03:46opportunity.

1:03:47>> That's a theory I'm I'm going to explain

1:03:49to you. [music] It's called trickle down

1:03:51economics. You see all these [ __ ] are

1:03:53here uh cuz I invited them. But

1:03:56obviously I can't have sex with all

1:03:59them. It's just too much work. So that

1:04:01they trickle down and then the rest of

1:04:03the the buddies can take care of it.