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0:00gave an interview to somebody. I don't
0:01know who the interviewer was, but they
0:03they got some good stuff out of you.
0:04>> Did they?
0:05>> Uh yes, cuz you said a lot of people
0:07would favor Shakur Stevenson to win this
0:09fight. He he'll be the favorite if it
0:11gets made. But, you said Devin Haney
0:15a big problem for Shakur Stevenson is
0:16Devin Haney is very good at the range,
0:19the long range that Shakur Stevenson
0:21likes to operate in.
0:22>> Mhm.
0:22>> Devin Haney has the reach advantage
0:24there. If he can rehydrate in this fight
0:26strong, even if he has to step on the
0:28scales at 45, you likened it to when you
0:30had to come to 44 for Adrien Broner. You
0:33rehydrated. Your physical strength and
0:35size is an issue for AB.
0:38Um so, there's some there's that
0:39parallel there, but I thought you gave a
0:42a good breakdown on that. So, you would
0:43actually favor Devin Haney who most
0:45people are going to have as the underdog
0:47in this fight.
0:47>> about it again last night. Guys, make
0:49sure you check out
0:51uh the Porter weight watch party. We'll
0:53definitely do one for Fundora and Hadj
0:56Bouch. The thing is I Hadj Bouch. Okay.
1:00My fault. I appreciate you.
1:01>> Yeah.
1:01>> Uh
1:02I'm not supposed to know that until
1:03>> Maybe I'm wrong though.
1:04>> Nah, it could be. I'm not supposed to
1:05know until Saturday, so
1:07>> [laughter]
1:07>> but um we will be doing a watch party
1:10this week. I'll be working the TNT
1:13telecast. I'll be popping in and out as
1:14much as I can along with um being being
1:18in tune on the YouTube. So,
1:20uh we're going to get more consistent
1:21with these, so make sure you guys check
1:22it check that out this weekend. Um that
1:25said,
1:26um the question asked again last night
1:28was about this fight and
1:32last night and in previous conversations
1:35it's been
1:3650/50. It's been 45/55. You know what I
1:39mean?
1:4160/40.
1:43>> Devin Haney.
1:43>> Devin Haney.
1:4560/40.
1:47You got you And then again, like the
1:50fact that
1:51and I understand Shakur Stevenson. I've
1:54had I've had one fight at 140, right?
1:58Maybe two?
1:59>> One.
1:59>> I've had one fight at 140.
2:01I'm not a 147 lb fighter. He showed us
2:04that he's a natural 140 pounder. We know
2:07that. We know that he could probably
2:08squeeze into 135 if it made sense. If it
2:11was a Tank Davis, he probably there's
2:13enough energy there for him to actually
2:14squeeze into that 135 and then rehydrate
2:18and be strong on fight night against a a
2:19Tank Davis, but he knows that I'm not a
2:23147 lb fighter that can fight at 147. I
2:27was a 147 lb fighter. Depending on the
2:30opponent, I could have fought at 54. I
2:32could have fought at 60. He knows what
2:34this dude right here that
2:37you're going to be strong on fight
2:38night. You're more filled out and you're
2:40more settled in at 147 than I am, which
2:43is why I want this fight to be or at
2:45least do do a catchweight at 145. Forget
2:48the rehydration and we probably say
2:50forget the rehydration cuz we can see
2:52that you're going to keep pushing on
2:53this and it's just going to be come and
2:55argue back and forth and the fight's not
2:57going to get done. So, that's probably
2:58why he moved off of that, which again, I
3:00understand both sides of it. I
3:02understand the rehydration proto- uh uh
3:05um
3:06clause that he was looking to initiate.
3:09I understand that. I understand him
3:11wanting uh
3:12him wanting Shakur or I'm sorry, Devin
3:14to come down to 145. As
3:17"Meet me as close as you can to to where
3:19I'm at, you know, if at if at least on
3:23on day of the weigh-in meet me as close
3:25to where we as where I am as possible
3:28because on fight night you're going to
3:29be 160 lb, 165 lb, and I'm still going
3:33to be 150, maybe maybe maybe 155. You're
3:38going to be 150. I mean, I'm I'm going
3:40to be 150. You're going to be 1 160,
3:42165, you know?
3:43>> 160 plus, right?
3:44>> Yeah, he's going to be 160 plus. I favor
3:46Devin Haney because of the speed,
3:49because of the range, and that's what I
3:50said to to to the to the interview.
3:54The space
3:55that Shakur needs and wants you at is
3:59the space is the I mean the exact space
4:03that Devin Haney is so operational at is
4:06ridiculous. So, it's like basically I
4:08need you right here in order for me to
4:10do what I do, and you're like, "Cool,
4:12right here is where I like to be
4:13anyway." And it's going to be a problem.
4:15I think the the the adjustments are not
4:17going to have to be on Shakur because
4:21Shakur's ability to um the dictate the
4:25range, his ability to dictate the pace.
4:28This dude don't care because this is
4:30where I like to operate anyway. For the
4:32first time in my career, I've got
4:34somebody that actually likes me like
4:37likes for the fight to be where I like
4:38for it to be.
4:40This is a harder fight for Shakur than
4:42it is for Devin Haney, especially on top
4:44of the fact that this dude Devin Haney
4:47is more filled out and more of a natural
4:50147-lb fighter. He's got speed, speed
4:53makes power. This dude is bringing a
4:55whole lot on fight night for Shakur.
4:56It's It's It's I think it's tougher for
4:58Shakur than it is for Devin.
5:00>> It's interesting. O'Shaquie Foster gave
5:02a a great breakdown of it, too. And I
5:05think he agreed with what some of you
5:07what what you're saying. He goes, you
5:08know, he's fighting a guy who's
5:09athletic, who's long, who knows how to
5:11fight at that range. Um
5:14and he thinks that Shakur will actually
5:16have to be the aggressor, and that
5:18surprised me because when they sparred I
5:21felt like and you've seen that sparring
5:23session, right?
5:24>> I did not, but it's on YouTube, right?
5:25>> Great. It's a great sparring session. It
5:27is.
5:27>> check it out. Yeah, I've heard about it,
5:29but I haven't watched it.
5:30>> Very high-level and more entertaining
5:31than people might think. Oh, these are
5:32two pure boxers, the fight's going to be
5:34boring. Not if it's like their sparring
5:36session was. Their sparring session was
5:38excellent. It was like real high-speed
5:40chess. Punches were being thrown.
5:41>> I want to go on record for saying, you
5:43know how I was saying the fight with
5:45Teofimo Lopez and Rolly Romero might be
5:48might be a little
5:49>> And they surprised you a little bit,
5:50yeah.
5:50>> This thing is going to be
5:53ooh.
5:53>> Really?
5:53>> This is going to be
5:55boxing at its finest. I promise. There's
5:58no There's nothing short of somebody
6:00injuring a hand or pulling a shoulder or
6:03something like that. And even then,
6:05this thing there's no way this fails.
6:08This I think is what
6:10really gets boxing people This This
6:13right here gets
6:14peop- boxing hope.
6:16>> Well, here's the thing though. Um I I I
6:18have that some optimism with you about
6:20it because of [clears throat] how the
6:21sparring looked when you know, about 10
6:23years ago. However, those are sixteens,
6:26the headgear's on. I've had fighters
6:28tell me sometimes a pure boxer like
6:31that, he's not going to let that much
6:32volume go with eights on and with the
6:35headgear off. And now you add in stakes
6:38and guys not wanting to lose this. This
6:40isn't just some competitive sparring
6:41session now. You don't want to make a
6:43mistake in this fight. So, do you Even
6:45with all that said, are you still
6:46confident it would actually be an
6:48entertaining chess match?
6:49>> I am because I think that both these
6:51dudes with Trump's all that is their
6:52competitive spirit, their competitive
6:54drive.
6:55>> only landed 70 punches in his last two
6:57fights in both fights each of those 70
7:00each.
7:00>> Total?
7:00>> Uh no, each. Uh so, 140 total.
7:03>> but but 70 70 punches total
7:06>> 70 He dropped Norman early.
7:07>> And in 70 total.
7:09>> Yeah.
7:09>> Sheesh.
7:10>> Yeah.
7:10>> [laughter]
7:11>> But do you think because he's not he
7:14Well, the guy had to give him a a
7:16mulligan a little bit on Ramirez. He's
7:18coming back from Ryan.
7:19>> in my eyes. I'm sorry. It's going to be
7:21fun. Yeah.
7:22>> You think against a guy who's not a
7:23puncher like Brian Norman,
7:25he'll be more He won't He'll trust his
7:27chin more and
7:28>> You know what's crazy? I think the 70,
7:30right? And I get it. We We rely on that
7:31number. We We've seen it consistently,
7:33right? That 70 is going to look a lot
7:35better against this right here. And we
7:39know that uh Shakur doesn't have a high
7:41work rate, either. The efficiency that
7:43they're going to work with and then
7:45they're I think they're both still
7:47immature enough to want that get back,
7:49you know? When I get touched, that
7:51That's That's what we got going here.
7:53I'm pro- I promise y'all I'll do 100
7:55push-ups if it's boring.
7:56>> Mhm.
7:56>> I'll do 100 push-ups if it's boring.
7:58I'll
7:59sit here crying after I do it, but I'll
8:00do 100 push-ups if this If this fight
8:02ain't ain't a beautiful match top to
8:05bottom in every in every form, right?
8:08So, I'll be like, man, the fight got to
8:10have action, you know? We We want to
8:12>> Speed.
8:14>> Well, I I like the drama, you know what
8:16I mean? Like this thing
8:17>> Adjustments.
8:17>> the adjustments. This thing going to
8:19have it all.
8:20>> Mhm. It's It's interesting though that
8:21you said it's on Shakur to make an
8:23adjustment and O'Shacki agrees with you.
8:25He said Shakur is going to have to be
8:26the aggressor, but when they sparred
8:28and they were in the center, Shakur was
8:30sharp shooting Devin and Devin had more
8:32success once he started to go downhill,
8:34put some combinations together, impose
8:36his length and his size advantage a
8:38little bit. So,
8:39um
8:40>> Yeah.
8:40>> Which I I would expect for that to be
8:42what Devin does anyway. Devin's become
8:45more of that than he's ever been in his
8:47in his entirety of boxing. He's He's
8:50He was never a a a Excuse me, an
8:54aggressive
8:56uh boxer when he was an amateur. He was,
8:59you know, 100 punches a round as most of
9:02us are when we're amateurs. He got a
9:03little older and it was still that
9:05because he was just so so fast and so
9:07skillful that that the digression of
9:10that that um
9:12that punch out putting stuff like that
9:14is just a lot of guys simply saying,
9:15"Well, it's a 3-minute round now. I want
9:18to set things up. I want to be
9:19efficient." and all that kind of stuff.
9:21It's beautiful. It's great. Makes you a
9:22very proficient boxer,
9:25but he
9:27the the level of competition that he was
9:29going up against it actually called for
9:31him to be more aggressive. You know, he
9:33he would break guys down or or outskill
9:35them or outslick them and then all of a
9:37sudden I'm near the end of the fight and
9:39I can be a little more aggressive, you
9:40know? We didn't see that with Bryant
9:42Norman Jr., which is like the only thing
9:44we didn't see, which kind of dampened
9:46the the the performance as a whole. And
9:49I I got a feeling with this right here,
9:52while he doesn't have to be especially
9:54aggressive, as long as Shakur he's right
9:57where Shakur wants him to be, it's
9:58actually where he can work at his will.
10:00So, I think it's going to be great.
10:02>> And lastly,
10:03you you cuz you did spar Shakur, too. I
10:05was there when you used to spar Haney
10:07when he was a teenager, but you sparred
10:08Shakur, too, right?
10:09>> Yeah, he was cheating.
10:10>> What do you mean?
10:11>> He's just great.
10:12>> Oh, got you.
10:13>> Just great.
10:14>> He shut you down, huh?
10:15>> Oh, 100%.
10:16No, [laughter]
10:17100%. I And there were there really was
10:20a part of me that was like, man, I wish
10:21I was in shape.
10:21>> Isn't fun?
10:22>> I wish I was in shape to really like
10:24push him to see what he would do. That
10:26was really the only thing I
10:27wasn't I wasn't even capable of doing
10:29it, but on my own accord, I never found
10:32out what you would do if I got really
10:34aggressive. Obviously, I'm extremely
10:36bigger than the dude and all that kind
10:37of stuff, but that was the one thing I
10:39didn't see with the what I did see,
10:41which does give me faith in him that he
10:43can make this fight I said 60/40 for
10:46Devin, all of a sudden becomes 50/50
10:49because he's so intuitive in the ring.
10:51Basically, what I mean by that is he has
10:53the ability to see and know what you're
10:56going to throw before you throw it. And
10:58like I said, like I actually experienced
11:00it. I I see his little twitches and I'm
11:02like, like, damn, like, how you
11:05How you get to where my jab going before
11:07I even, you know?
11:08>> Yeah, that anticipation.
11:10>> He has amazing
11:11and I that's why I refer to it as in two
11:13intuition because it's anticipation, but
11:17when you're not wrong,
11:19>> [laughter]
11:20>> you know? And when we look at his his
11:22his statistics, his statistics prove
11:24that he's not wrong. It becomes more
11:26more tuition, not intuition, becomes
11:28more tuition.
11:30Intuition, excuse me. Becomes more
11:32intuition than it becomes anticipation
11:34to me.
11:35>> Who Who impressed you more in the rounds
11:36when you go back to your mind's eye
11:37about it? I mean, Devin was a teenager.
11:39>> And And I was going to say like Devin
11:40Devin was impressing us just because,
11:42you know,
11:42>> God damn, he was 15 and he was
11:44>> so much of what we were doing, and so we
11:46were, you know, proud of him from that
11:47standpoint. And my dad was like, you
11:49know, "Hey, I just want you to run,
11:50move, and and throw, and you know,
11:52Shakur's going to do what he's doing,
11:54and, you know, totally, you know, he
11:56ain't going to hurt you, da da da da."
11:57But
11:59to see him grow up, right? That's That's
12:01what's impressed me about him. And what
12:03impressed me about uh Shakur was when I
12:06went to a sparring session, and I saw
12:07him spar two different styles.
12:09>> I was there with you.
12:10>> And he And he made both those styles
12:12like just become
12:13>> Tamed in 30 seconds.
12:14>> Tamed both That was
12:17Like that's not an exaggeration.
12:18>> remember you told me like that's, you
12:20know, that's really special what you
12:21just saw. And I And I'm listening to
12:23you, and I, you know, I have the eye,
12:24too, right? I know, you know, you
12:25respect my boxing eye.
12:27>> Absolutely.
12:27>> But um you know, I'm not seeing like
12:30some crazy
12:31combinations and pull counters and all
12:33that kind of stuff. That's like seeing a
12:34lot of sauce, but within 30 seconds you
12:36go, "That's not normal."
12:38>> That's not normal.
12:38>> I go, "You see how that kid came out
12:40moving his head, being aggressive,
12:41looking to be busy? And
12:44all that just got disarmed within the
12:46first minute of the sparring session."
12:47You're like, "That's not normal."
12:49>> Yeah.
12:49>> And then, you know, a lot of times,
12:51especially again, sparring, where you
12:52were You're more comfortable than you
12:54could ever be in life, you should be
12:55able to go back to the corner and the I
12:57don't know what those corners were
12:58doing, but hey, yo, what are you doing?
13:00Like, you know,
13:00forget that that's Shakur Stevenson, do
13:02what you do.
13:04And those guys could not do what they
13:05do.
13:06>> I saw him do that at Cotto's gym against
13:08a really, really talented young fighter
13:11who's making waves now, and it was the
13:13same thing. This kid has pivots and
13:15speed and angles, and within a minute or
13:18two all that he turned them into a basic
13:20fighter.
13:21>> Mhm.
13:21>> You know, and that that's
13:24That's That's not normal, is what you're
13:25saying.
13:25>> That's That's what he does. That's his
13:27bread and butter, you know what I mean?
13:28And again, like
13:30let me acknowledge you right quick,
13:31Shakur. I'm not saying you ain't all
13:33that, cuz you are all that. I just think
13:36that I know what I know. What I know is
13:38that where you like to be at is where he
13:40likes to be at, and he's long, he's
13:43fast, also intuitive, and the and the
13:45list kind of goes on from there. It's a
13:46really great fight. So, do what you're
13:48supposed to do.
13:49>> Mhm.
13:50Thank you, Shawn.