Josh Brolin | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #690

0:00I want to say that uh my new special I'm doing fine is out October 20th on Netflix. So, thank you guys so much for your support and uh I really I'm excited about it and I hope that you'll give it a shot. And I also wanted to let you know that we've got a full restock on your favorite merch over at the

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0:40legendary actor known for movies like No Country for Old Men, Dune, Sakario, uh the list goes on. Goonies. Uh his new film Whalefall is in theaters this week. Uh, a wonderful time catching up with the sceed rat himself, Mr. Josh Brolan.

1:06>> And I will find a song. [music] >> And I don't want to find out what's behind door number two with Mike Tyson. You know what I'm saying? You just you take what he gives you. >> Totally. So, >> hey man, thanks for having me on your show,

1:27>> dude. Thank you for being here, man. >> Seriously, it's nice to see you. >> You, too, bro. It's a pleasure, bro. It's um Yeah, it's a And I don't I if I can say this and I can take this part out. It's a It's nice to talk to another alcoholic. >> Totally. >> Is that okay to say?

1:40>> Yeah, I think everybody knows it by now. >> Okay. >> I don't know if everybody knows it with you. They definitely know it with me. I don't really talk about AA, but I talk about sobriety a lot. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And that Are you sure that's okay if I said that? >> [ __ ] yeah.

1:52>> Okay. cuz God dude. Yeah. Sometime it's like Yeah. You see if you see somebody else that's you know I don't know it just feels like something's a little different. >> Yeah. And you're out there now. You know it's funny. I was thinking I'll tell you the story really quick. Celsius I guess is your company or not your company but

2:09you're sponsored by them or whatever. Liquid Death. >> Yeah. >> So Liquid Death I have like a little tiny steak in or whatever. And and the whole reason why Liquid Death did so well cuz if you look at the cans they look like 40s. Yeah. >> Right. And people are drinking less and less. Like whether they're getting sober

2:25or not is kind of beside the point, but they're drinking. Kids are drinking less and less. So they go to these concerts and they'd have these cans. And the kids started drinking these cans that are full of water. And it made them feel like they weren't ousted, that they weren't going to be judged because they weren't drinking cuz they had a can in

2:43their hand that looked like they were having a beer. >> Oh yeah. They're still in the group when that metal hits your lips. >> Seriously, man. Right. >> Yeah. There's a little bit. >> When you hear that Oh, >> it's great. >> Yeah. You almost like >> And even as a sober guy, like I'm cool with that. I like that sound. I want

2:58that sound to continue with in my life. I just don't want the [ __ ] drunk with it, >> right? You know. >> Oh, dude. Sometimes I would lay in bed and just open cans of that over and over [laughter] again out of like seven cans. >> What? After you got sober? >> Yeah. [laughter] >> That just is remembrance. Remembrance of

3:13things past. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> What' you do tonight? Um, >> yeah, it's nice to be sober, man. And it's nice to know a sober buddy. And there's something else. We saw each other outside and we didn't talk, but I think that was the first thing that popped in both of our minds. >> Yeah. And >> cool.

3:33>> It kind of like it gives me a little bit of exhale cuz honestly, dude, it just feels like so much less pressure for some reason. >> Yeah, that's cool. >> You know, >> I like that. >> Yeah, I like that too, man. So, thank you so much for being here, dude. >> Yeah, man. It's a pleasure to see what I

3:45would look like if I were a little handsomemer >> or a little gnarier. Little more angry. A little more angry. But you're not. You just You have like >> I don't know. >> You look very welcoming, man. You're a very welcoming face. >> Oh, thank you, dude. >> You are, man. >> I appreciate you saying that, dude. Um,

4:04Cedto Rats, that I'm I'm reading your hat. That's your company? No, that's a group that I grew up with. If you want to get heavy for a second. >> Yeah, let's get Dude, I got my rat on my sweatshirt. >> You got Is that a rat? Oh, wait. What is that? >> Cuz uh they call me the rat king.

4:20>> Wait, get the [ __ ] out of here. Seriously? >> So, you made that? >> Yeah. This is part of our merch. >> So, I made this. I just took over the the what is it? The trademark for this. >> Oh, you didto rats. So the guys that I grew up with called themselves the STO rats because they were in Monaceto and

4:35Monaceto now is perceived like [ __ ] Oprah Haven or something which is fine. >> So fancy yeah there's a nucleus of like a lot of money and especially actors or industry people. But the group that I grew up with um 36 out of 50 are dead >> from [ __ ] that we were just talking

4:56about >> really. So, and then my buddy would always talk about, "Hey man, you remember that place that we were this and I had a needle hanging out of my neck and do you remember on the corner of Romero Canyon and all this stuff?" And I said, "I'm so sick of hearing those stories that I'm going to

5:09spearhead this whole thing." So, I've brought the whole thing back as a like survived and updated like new and improved. >> And that's the that's the idea of the brand and also of the humans. >> Yes. >> Survived and updated. >> Survived and updated. >> Amen, bro. [ __ ] >> So, yeah. So if you look up Stor, you

5:27can kind of get because like I don't know if you ever saw Bra Boys in Maruba like there was a group of surfers there. Bra boys and they they did a documentary on it. You can watch that. There's Dhouie in Hawaii. There was Wolfpack and Kala. There were Sito Rats. Kind of like skaters. Skaters would have what who

5:48were the guys down south? Was uh you know Tony Alva and all those guys. >> Z Boys Town Dog Town and Z Boys. And then you had Nmen and like Sacramento and you had different like that was the skater. We were the surfer version of that. >> The Cedar Rats. >> Yeah. Because like Dog Town and Z Boys,

6:04those guys it wasn't like Jay Adams was severe. He was the only guy who was >> Jay Adams. Can you help me out Nick a little bit? >> Yeah. There you go. Hit that picture. Yeah. >> Let's go. >> He was he was a Dog Town guy, but he was the only one of that Dog Town group that

6:21was like that. >> Got it. Whereas if you look at Nmen in Sacramento, I don't know if you want to bring up Nmen, but Nmen in Sacramento, everybody was like that. >> Ah, >> so the surf groups, they were all like that. Sito Rats were all like that. >> Got it. >> You know, >> so he was a real one.

6:38>> He was a real one. >> Amen, bro. >> He was a real one. >> RIP J Adams, dude. >> Bring up Sito Rats and see what comes up. Um, >> the Monteito. Yeah, dude. The rats, bro. Well, it's funny you talk about rats that they were surfers because here's one of the reasons why I I I correlate

6:54with rats. Um, for one, rats can swim for up up to three days, right? They can tread water for up to three days, dude. So, that is a surv like that thing is [ __ ] >> That's a badass [ __ ] >> dude. That is a badass, [laughter] dude. >> That's a badass. Imagine you go out on a

7:12fishing trip with your buddies, with your rich friends. >> Everybody's drowned around you. You still got the rat sitting there like, "I'm good, man. I'm good. I got another two days in me. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. >> So, that's pretty cool. And rats have whiskers that are extremely sensitive. That's how they pick up a lot of

7:27information. I'm super sensitive. So, it's like that's a correlation for me. And this is one of my favorites. >> Rats, they don't vomit. They won't vomit. So, that's why they're able to live in the [ __ ] That's why they're able to live in the muck and have it just the the like the worst the in the

7:44worst spaces >> because they don't vomit. >> Yeah. It's like it doesn't get to them. Like it doesn't like >> Oh, got it. >> It doesn't affect them. Like they're all factory senses and stuff. So, they're able to stay in there. So, there's something that's like >> I don't know. Like even in like the >> just like a cockroach like super

8:00resilient. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But a upscale cockroach. [laughter] >> Yeah. Like shorty thick. >> Like a rat is an upscaled cockroach. [laughter] >> Bro, >> that's wild with the whiskers. The whiskers being sensitive. And you called yourself super sensitive like an impath. Is that what they call it? I don't know about >> I don't know what I don't know what I

8:19>> don't know what an empath is. >> Me neither. >> A person who experiences the emotions, energy, and physical feelings of other people as if they were their own. >> I think sometimes I'm like that. I think honestly I didn't develop and I never thought about this. Sometimes I didn't really develop my own sense of feelings when I was growing up.

8:34>> And so sometimes I think >> you almost take those you take moments off of other people's lives and existences and you and that's why sometimes they feel like a lot. >> Yeah. >> Does that make sense at all? No, it does make sense. And I and then this is not like a ploy to, you know, try to talk

8:50about, but I wrote a book a year and a half ago and it had to do, you know, like kind of anecdotal paintings of how I grew up and my mom was a wildlife activist. So we had wolves in our house, we had mountain lions, we had >> Wait, in your house? >> In and out of our house.

9:07>> Like how am I? >> Like my my brother had 60 stitches in his leg at 6 years old from a wolf. Nuh-uh. >> And my mom definitely prioritized those animals more than us. So the the point is is that emotions and all that weren't it's not that they weren't allowed. It's just there was so there was such a high

9:27level of chaos that you just didn't you know what were you going to do like go in a corner and like cry or like talk to your parents about like how you were scared you were going to be eaten? like it just wasn't it just that wasn't part of the deal. So yeah. >> Yeah. Sometimes I think when you have to

9:44be so alert like you're saying there's chaos when you have to be so alert it's hard for some of those other things I feel like I'm not having self-pity. I'm just thinking I think it's hard for some of that other world to develop inside of you cuz you're just on a you know totally you're just like you're like

9:57somebody who's got to do night watch day and night. It feels like you know. >> Seriously. And don't you think I mean like to just bring it full circle that that's why we drank? I mean what were you like when you drank? Cuz when I drank it was like the it was the be it was like God feeling. It was like I

10:12don't have to think at all now. >> I can do whatever I want and I don't have that little voice in there going, "Oh, you're a piece of [ __ ] or you're you can't do that. You're not good enough or you're not like all that went away." Except, you know, [clears throat and snorts] my my version

10:27of it was it just there was no limit. There was no ceiling. What were you like when you were drunk? When I drank, I was like somebody that was going to get cocaine. [laughter] >> I love how you said that dead pan. >> Oh, to be honest with you. >> Seriously? >> Oh, yeah. I'm not even joking. Yeah.

10:45>> Oh, no. >> Yeah. When I drank it was like I I just like I think I just drank just because I like I didn't love drinking that much. >> Me neither. >> It was hard. Really? >> Interesting. Yeah. It was hard for me to even realize I was an alcoholic because I I didn't I my friends were shocked

11:02like you're an alcoholic, dude. Like like you're a [ __ ] weirdo but you're you're not an alcoholic alcoholic freak. >> Yeah. Yeah. You got a lot of other [ __ ] that I would worry about before that. Uh, but no, I think it made me go like cuz cocaine I think it made me be able to feel immediately how I could feel

11:20immediately some way. >> And I don't there was something about that like I'm going to control how I feel right now. And it wasn't even the best feeling. I think it was a scared feeling but I think deep on the other sides of me there was a lot of scared feelings and for some reason it was like

11:34two bookends. >> Yeah. >> And finally there was something like I don't even know but sometimes I I theorize little things like that. >> So is that with alcohol or cocaine? That was with cocaine. It was just like I'd have the only reason I wanted to drink was it was then I could have an excuse to go to

11:48>> to go do coke. Well, you drink and then suddenly it wasn't like wasn't even a choice. You had to go get coke, >> right? Or it was like an >> immediate thing. >> Oh, I'd see a child riding by on a bike and I'm like, "Oh, I should get some coke." I could look at a calendar like, "Oh,

12:02Easter's in four months. I'll grab a bag." >> The coke The coke brought me down, >> dude. Cocaine helped me quit vaping. >> In what way? It just I don't I think some >> it took the place of everything else that any other vice you may have had. >> I think >> it was all vices in one. [laughter]

12:18>> It was well sometimes a cocaine hangover it would be a couple days and I didn't want to do anything else to damage myself during that time so it would give me enough time away from nicotine. Anyway >> anyway >> um >> I won't bring it up again. >> No, it's okay. It's interesting to talk about. You know what is nice? It's fun

12:33to laugh about. >> Totally. >> Because it takes the air out of whatever part of me that wants to behave that way. >> Yeah. It makes it fun and it makes it like I don't know for a second you have some community and that's all I ever really wanted. >> I think it's more fun. >> It is more fun.

12:47>> I honestly think I don't say that just to say it because I think other people want to hear it. >> I actually think it's more fun and I had a [ __ ] blast when I was using. >> Did you? >> And I have more fun now. >> Yeah, let's go. >> More fun. I do. >> Oh, dude. I believe you had so much fun,

13:02dude. If I [ __ ] Dude, I was doing it and I was pretty ugly looking. You know what I'm saying? like you. >> What are you talking about? Why do you keep saying that? >> I mean, I did it and I looked like me, right? If I looked like you, I would have been definitely out partying,

13:14[laughter] bro. >> Dude, I had to have a couple drinks to think I looked like. [laughter] >> All right. >> Um, [snorts] but let's rewind it, man. Let's let's let's zone it back in a little bit, dude. So, what do you mean? Your brother got attacked by a wolf? >> Yeah. >> And you guys were what? just like was it

13:32like a regular night or was it like like what do you >> So we lived in Pastor Rob. We lived on a ranch. We lived on >> Paso Robas. >> Yeah. North of here and we lived in a 200 on a 230 acre ranch. >> Oh wow. >> My mom was from Texas. My mom was from Corpus Christie, Texas. 5'3,

13:50super loud, like the voice of a 6'8 man. >> Yeah. >> And Yeah. and she uh she was just animals were her thing like from when she was a kid. So she became an animal activist. She started working with fish and game and all that and then she would take animals away from people who had illegally taken

14:10them out of the wild, have them jailed and she would nurse them back to health and if they'd been defanged or declawed or something like that, she'd find the most habitable zoo and then put them there. She didn't like those little cage zoos and all that. Um, but we would, so the transitional time would be in our

14:27place. So we had, you know, a lion, we had a bear at one point, we had a chimpanzeee for a long time. >> Oh, really? What was his name? >> Reggie. >> Reggie. Reggie. [clears throat] Reggie. There's a story of Reggie where Reggie used to watch uh Arnold Schwarzenegger movies with my mom [snorts] >> and you know how Arnold would hold the

14:46gun here, right? That was like a I think uh >> Sly used to do that too. >> Yeah, that was a big thing at that time. big thing like in the Was it the '8s? Yeah, exactly. Big bullets. >> And then there was a guy who came over and Reggie was in his cage. He wasn't in the house. My mom left somewhere. Reggie

15:05was in his cage. A guy came over to fix a chicken coupe. Reggie like finagled or maggyvered his way out of the cage. Came over. Everybody where I'm from has a gun right in their truck right on the window in a rack. So he grabbed the gun, [ __ ] put one because he had seen it obviously in a movie, put one in the

15:25chamber, and the guy >> Reggie did. >> Reggie did. >> And the guy And then suddenly the guy fixing the chicken coop hears and he goes, "What the [ __ ] is that?" And he's laying down and he looks past the chicken coop and there's Reggie holding the gun at Wayside. Yeah. >> Damn. Reggie was a real one.

15:44>> He was a real one. He was He was the masculine energy in that. Oh, and that's you and him in a Where's >> Oh, that's Reggie right there. >> That's you and him in a dressing up for Halloween right there. Boy, that's exactly right. >> And And that's that's really him. >> Yeah, that's him. >> Wow.

15:57>> Where'd you find that picture, dude? That was just on the internet. That's crazy. >> Both you guys look nice, man. >> Dude, that was me at my worst. >> Was it? >> Yeah. When I look at that, that was a Yeah, that was a wacky town. Look at that. Like, what is that that I have on

16:12my face? Do I shave the top from the nose like partway down? >> It's definitely Yeah, [laughter] >> something's up, bro. Something's up. >> It's very like I'm going to be the best looking guy who's going to cross the Atlantic in the like [laughter] >> It looks like 20s. Don't I look like Not in my 20s, like 1920s

16:33>> like John Fonte. >> I'm seeing maybe one of the outsiders. I'm seeing really >> somewhat, but I'm also seeing very spice trader, >> like >> spice trader >> aggressive brother of a successful spice trader. >> Always an aggressive brother. >> And you finally show up with the freaking uh coriander that no one's ever heard of. [laughter]

16:53>> That's good. >> And you've got the market coriandered. >> That's it. Very good. >> It was okay. It was just not bad. >> You'd be supportive. Yeah. Not bad. I'll agree with. Did Did it feel Was your mom like was it easier for her to care about animals, do you think, or something? Or was she like good at

17:08>> For sure. You're the first person that's ever asked that. For sure. >> Was the human thing wasn't didn't work for her. And she was a big drinker. So when she would drink, that was that was her ability to kind of like, you know, my mom didn't just say, "Hi, how you doing?" She grabbed you by the lapels

17:23and pulled you across the table and planted one on your mouth. >> That's how she'd say hello. And it was usually from like a, you know, a 380 lb cowboy. >> Wow. >> You know, there's a thing in my book force. Oh, dude. Beyond beyond. And I miss her and she's not around anymore. She >> But she uh

17:43>> Yeah, there's a thing in my book where she says, and I know this is not cool to say now, she saw this cowboy and he had a comb in his back pocket and she yells out, it was about 8 years old and she's she yells out, "Hey." She had this voice and she goes, "Why do you have that comb

17:57in your pocket?" He said, he turned around. He said, "I'm sorry, ma'am." And she said, "That comb, it looks >> I'm like,"Wh, like, what's the [ __ ] point? What's the end goal here?" >> And then, and then 15 minutes later, you have 10 guys buying my mom drinks. >> Ah, >> always pulled it off somehow. Hm.

18:20>> She knew a bunch of truckers and if somebody flipped her off on the road, she'd call truckers on the CB and they'd box him in. Like, bro, that happened many times with me in the car. Like, I remember like, "Hey, Breaker N, this is uh Catwoman. I got another flipper." Yes. Okay, Jane, we got you. You know,

18:40and then the guys would come out of [ __ ] nowhere. There was no 18-wheelers anywhere. And then suddenly box a guy in. Wow. >> One guy would leave. They'd push him off the side of the road and then Thank you guys. I appreciate it. Love you. >> You know, >> oh my god, dude. >> She was great. She was great. She was

18:59She was severe. >> But she was great. >> That's a cool word to use. That's interesting. Severe is an interesting word to use. >> So when you grow up in that, not as a victim, because you said that earlier, you know, not to victimize yourself. You go, that's what it was, and I accept it [sighs] fully for what it was. I like it because

19:16it colored my life later in a way once I've figured out a way to kind of regulate the whole thing. >> Yeah. >> But without figuring it out, then you're just spinning. >> Then you're just [ __ ] going. You're like, I don't know what's going to happen from Tuesday to Wednesday to Thursday, but here we go.

19:36>> Yeah, dude. It feels uh Well, that's part of the unmanageability. They say it's fun. Yeah. >> Until it's not. >> Until it's not. >> Yeah. >> That's it. It's fun until it's not. >> Yeah, dude. >> And then you try to get that fun back and then that's when it gets really [ __ ] crazy. >> Yeah.

19:51>> Then you're like, I know I can figure this out. I know it. I I [ __ ] know it. >> Yeah, I can do this. >> Start working out like Neil Degrasse Tyson like, you know, geometry in your head. Trigonometry, astrophysics. >> You're drawing [ __ ] on the walls. >> Drawing [ __ ] on the walls. I know. I can

20:07drink. I can [ __ ] figure it out. >> Yeah. You're carrying the one. You're [ __ ] Yeah. You're using a calculator at the bar like Yeah. >> One of those big ones that [laughter] has all the symbols. >> Yeah. T-Mobile sidekick or something. >> Um, yeah. I went through a spell uh where I was having a tough time and then

20:24I was so thankful to get back on track, man. >> Yeah, man. >> It can get scary out there. >> It gets scary. And then, you know, we said again, we try to drop this subject, but it's like you look back and you go like I see guys that are going through it right now and then you'll see them

20:38like, you know, they get, you know, a month or maybe a couple weeks and they go back out and they try it and they lose their wives and they lose everything and they can't see their kids anymore because of two days out, three days out. >> Yeah. >> Because they had to go get five hookers. Like, what is it about alcohol that

20:55makes you want to go get five hookers? I don't know. But whatever's going on in that person's mind that's a hidden little gem in there that nobody knows about gets unleashed. >> Yeah. >> And and you go, "Yeah, it's not gonna that's going to happen every time." >> Yeah. >> No matter what, when you eat strawberries, you will break out.

21:15>> Yeah. >> It's going to happen. >> No, but if I just eat the right strawberry. Nope. >> Yeah, but if I just have strawberry shortcake. >> Yeah, exactly. That's exactly right. That's right. >> Um, >> anyway, >> were the Cedar Rascots? Was it Was there partying then or was that just sort of a surfing club? Like what?

21:31>> Oh, no, no, no. It >> like was it a Was it a gang? >> It wasn't a gang. >> Okay. >> It was definitely not a gang. It was a group of guys. That's what I mean. Didn't you have a group of guys growing up? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Well, that's it. That's what it was. It was just a community, especially

21:47in the 80s when you had parents that, you know, were kind, how did I put it in my book? They were more interested in the sound of their eyes than they were about necessarily parenting. you know, they all had their drinks and their cocaine and their this and their parties and all that kind of stuff. So, we

22:01relied on each other and it was a great reliance. It was amazing. But it was the beginning of punk rock. >> So, the guys that my best friend growing up, Jason Sears, had a band called uh Rich Kids on LSD, >> RKL, and that became a big band. >> Rich Kids on LSD >> on LSD. And they've and they've

22:20influenced like I talked to Eddie Veter about it. He said, "Well, no [ __ ] way. you know, Jason Sears, we were hugely influenced by that. I mean, there's a ton of bands that were influenced and this is like the greatest band that never got the notoriety that any of these other bands got, but that like Jason was my best friend growing

22:39up. >> Oh, wow. >> So, all those guys, whether it was punk rock and whether it was surfing or it was the beach and you know, it was it was it was a group of guys that you could rely on that were a [ __ ] great group of guys. I mean, great, dude. Talk about colorful. So, you're going

22:54colorful from that. But then she's busy now. And we got color this. And if you look at Dehooie or like bra boys, like I said, but then it starts to self-destruct. Then it starts to not work anymore. Super fun for a while. Then we started not going to school. And then you get into, you know, the [gasps]

23:12the heroin that came in in the '9s. And [clears throat] suddenly these guys just started dying left and right. You know, >> some of your friends up there, >> most of them. >> Wow. >> There's a couple of guys that like when I talk about this, they're like, you know, we're all not dead, dude. By the way, we all didn't die. Some of us are

23:31still okay. Chris Rest. >> Some of us are still treading water over there. The rats. >> Exactly. The rat. That's it. I love that you said that. I love that you said >> Well, they're fascinating, man. They're fascinating animals. I mean, they're and they're they're kind of I don't know if reviled is the word, but they're like I

23:49don't know. They're always kind of looked down upon or looked at like >> rats are >> Yeah. looked at like this outsider thing. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> I'm going to look for this picture for a second. >> And they feel Yeah. A rat. It's like their skin. It's like they crawl and their skin crawls, you

24:07know? It's like a It's like >> Yeah. But why is it always like Sito rats? obviously has some connotation where it's like this is the this is the the [ __ ] of the [ __ ] >> Yeah. But Cedar Rat sounds punk though. It sounds good. >> It sounds dope. Yeah, >> it does sound good. >> I agree. It's great. And so now it's an

24:24actual it's a brand. >> Those guys are still I mean the guys are still around like everybody's older now. Everybody's in their late 50s and early 60s and and >> but then you have it it was purely out of reaction of being sick of hearing the stories, you know. It's like you're like, "Okay, these guys are sober now.

24:44People have gotten sober. It's good. They're still CTO rats. It's still scrappy. It's still punk, but it's just not as self-destructive as it was." But I went to a wedding recently. I officiated a wedding for a friend of mine >> whose dad was a mess rat, which was up the hill, [snorts] >> and old gang member, gnarly guy. Like

25:04Santa Barbara was way gnarier than anybody could have imagined, right? Back then, you know, you can't imagine it now. >> Yeah. No, you can't >> ever. And uh so I was and this girl came up to me and it was it was like I've se I've seen enough recovery now where I'm not used to it anymore. And this girl

25:21came up to me. She's like, "Hey, hey man, I knew Damon, dude." And I was like, "Oh [ __ ] who's that?" She was like, "Hey man, like do you remember like we were 15, bro? And I think you touched my tits at some point, bro." And I was like, "Oh, [ __ ] This is why I

25:39don't want to talk about it anymore. [laughter] This chip was super gnarly. And she kept talking about one of my best friends was found on the bathroom. He did he had died. He had OD and died. And she was like, "Damon, man, what the [ __ ] Can you believe it, man?" [laughter] >> But and the smell of vodka, bro. The smell

26:00of whatever it was that she was having. But that's what I wanted to try and shift. >> Yeah. Kind of refurbish it. refurbish it. Perfect word. >> Because it also deserves a bit of refining because at a certain point like something's like tough and rugged and has it its period like that, but at a certain point it's put in so much work

26:19to be that. >> Yeah. >> That it almost deserves someone to come along. >> I don't want to say like a jeweler of sorts, but an appreciator and come along and say, "You know what? This deserves to kind of be uh refurbished in just enough of a way where it can be revered." >> We like the foundation. We respect the

26:36foundation. Just like we bought a house in Santa Barbara. It was Joe Walsh's old house. >> Joe Walsh from freaking uh Unsolved Mysteries. >> No, [laughter] no, no, dude. What? >> Who am I thinking of? >> Joe Walsh from the Eagles. You're thinking of the guy that Who's he thinking of? Yeah, that's Joe. That Joe Walsh. >> Oh, yeah. Joe Walsh.

26:53>> Joe Walsh. One of the greatest guitarists of all time. And we didn't change the house at John Walsh. >> No, you're thinking of John Walsh. I remember him. What was the show that he had? America's Most Wanted. That was it. >> Yeah. >> America's Most Wanted. I used to watch that show. >> Oh, it was a good show.

27:07>> That was a good show. Um, >> you you bought Joe Walsh's old house. >> Old house. And it was so ratty and [ __ ] up and it like didn't have foundation and half of it and all that, but we didn't change anything. We just updated it. >> Nice. >> And it's like ranchy and cool and

27:24bitching looking. There's rocks all over the place. Same concept. >> Yeah. >> Same concept. Because you just get like I don't want to be defined in one way. I don't want to be like, I am aito rat, you know, [ __ ] you, you know, throw a rock at your head. It's what we do. You know, you're like, that's just dumb.

27:43You're 60, bro. We were throwing rocks at people's head. >> So, even like I know you had Neil Degrasse Tyson on and I did Cole Bear's penultimate show and Cole Barrett and I became super close. I love >> He is the coolest. Like literally, I get emotional talking about it. He is the

28:04coolest, most caring [ __ ] I know. >> Wow. >> Like amazing. An amazing human being. >> I'd like to meet him. >> He's really cool, man. You should have him on the show now that he's got nothing to do. >> Oh, did he lose his job? >> Well, no. Yeah, he got fired. >> That was it. They canceled the show.

28:20That's why I said penultimate show. The show before his last show. >> Oh, the penultimate. >> Penultimate show. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Anyway, >> say just say the show before the last one. >> [laughter] >> Okay, dude. Look, >> I just saw that shaming look. Um, >> like, why you got to do that to me on my

28:39own [ __ ] show, dude? [ __ ] [laughter] >> No, dude. We [ __ ] They knew when you said it. I didn't know. >> They knew when you [laughter] said it. I didn't know. >> You should put it up on the thing. That's what you should have done is put it up on the thing. >> We do vocabulary at the end of the year.

28:54We do a big vocabulary. Do you Do you really? >> We're going to start this year. We're nine years late on it. Penultimate means second to last or immediately preceding the final one in a series or sequence. >> Perfectly used. >> The penultimate >> perfectly placed. >> Very well. >> Penultimate. >> That's good stuff.

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31:43a house. It was like the one thing like our [ __ ] It would be the most miserable existence ever, right? >> But every now and then you had to go look up a word, right? >> That was your education. >> I was like, I'm doing my job as a parent. >> [ __ ] apartment was sinking. Someone

31:58had stolen our balcony again. It everything [clears throat] was just a [ __ ] nightmare. Like you wouldn't even go to sleep at night cuz you were too busy crying and [laughter] [ __ ] awful. >> It was [ __ ] It was horrible. It was It was right. It was You were either wetting the bed or crying, but there was

32:13always some liquid that was leaving your body because it didn't want to be involved anymore. >> God, it wanted out. >> It wanted out of the prison. >> It's like you have to stay. I don't, [ __ ] Yeah. People stole our balcony. Look, we talk about this a lot, but there it is. People would >> Holy [ __ ]

32:29>> People would steal our balcony. >> No, no, no. But did somebody come in and actually steal like pull off your balcony? >> Yeah, they did. >> What [laughter] do you freaking mean? That's what it means. >> I Well, I know, but I thought maybe you were putting a new one. >> No, no. Oh, no. No. >> And then you made it look like somebody

32:43stole it. Somebody actually came in and stole your balcony. >> Yeah, many times, dude. And so it was just >> Many times. >> Yeah, because people would steal the wood and use it for stuff down the street. So you'd have to [ __ ] then pull up and somebody one time built a [ __ ] baby crib out of it.

32:57>> And that's the worst. You're like, "We want it back." And the [ __ ] baby's sitting there. Oh, dude. [laughter] >> You can't steal it from the baby now. Did you actually see a baby crib made out of your wood knowing it was your wood? >> 100%. >> That's [ __ ] crazy. That's the coolest. >> Steal it all the time because it was

33:13good wood. >> Yeah. Well, obviously cuz it was new wood cuz you had to keep replacing it. But this part of the apartment was sinking all the time. And so we'd be at dinner and like it was just a nightmare. And mom would like it would be absolutely miserable when mom would be like, "I'm going to go lay out in the

33:28yard." And it was just like everything was just a [ __ ] nightmare. But anyway, >> Louisiana's tough, man. My assistant, who loves you, by the way, is absolutely in love with you, Erica. Shout out to Erica. >> Oh, I'm glad that it went Eric. Oh, I thought it was going to stop. >> No, Eric. Eric loves you. My assistant

33:43Eric, my assistant Bob loves you. No, Erica loves you, but she's from Louisiana. >> Oh, nice. >> And she's tough. She lives in in uh in Atlanta, but she's >> uh she's tough. And uh I found like I went to jail in in uh in Louisiana. Louisiana's tough. >> And what were the charges?

34:05>> I don't know. Drunken fighting. No. Oh, obstruct. No. It was it was what do you when you get in the way of something that the cops are doing? What do they call it? >> Oh yeah, there you go. >> Josh and Tiger Woods went to jail together. >> Tiger Woods. What's the matter with you?

34:27>> I don't even [laughter] know. >> I think you hang out with fancy people sometimes. >> Um, >> that's you. >> Even [laughter] even scroll up. Let me see. Josh Brol and Jeffrey Jeffrey Wright, sorry. Shreport arrested two actors and several several crew members involved with the with the latest movie in Hollywood South off >> the star of Oliver Stone's film W early

34:49this morning. At least they put the star of it. >> Thank God, right? At least I'm worth something other than just a mug shot. >> Did you get arrested? Was this a frequent thing? >> Yeah, fairly. >> Was it? Did you feel like you had to get like Cuz like if you go party, does it feel like you have to get Cuz I never

35:06had that kind of stuff really. No, I know you didn't cuz you didn't have the face for it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You did too nice of a face. >> Yeah. Oh, well. >> I just had a face you wanted to arrest. >> Oh, did it? >> Yeah. I think so. I think so. No, I don't feel like I did that. No, that was

35:21more my mom coming out. My mom would get arrested, too. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. But she'd usually get out of it. >> Yeah. >> Like there's a there's a story about my mom where she got pulled over and the guy was like not talking to her really and she always sped. She always went 100 miles an hour. Like that was the number

35:36she loved was 100. [snorts] So she was 100 miles an hour and get pulled over and this guy's giving her a ticket and she took the ticket like they used to have those. Oh, he's a motorcycle cop. So they had the whatever that leather thing with the ticket inside and handed it to her and she took it and she threw

35:53it out in the middle of the freeway. >> And then he stopped traffic, went out, picked it up, came back, handed it to her again. And she liked that. M >> she liked that kind of like silent strong type and they became really close friends. He was over at the house all the time. So where she would where one

36:12would have gone to jail mucho she got she would have too but she just was so charming she got out of it. >> It makes me realize there's something some women like that thing of like >> that's what I mean. >> I never realized that till recently. Some girls like it when it's just like >> they love it.

36:30>> [ __ ] you. >> [ __ ] you. I think I think that's coming around too. I mean, this is gonna get me in trouble, but I think there's something that's like things have been so sketch and scary and and paralyzed >> that I'm I'm starting to see that kind of come back. >> Oh, we're getting out of the wheelchair,

36:47brother. [laughter] >> You feel me? >> We're getting out of the wheelchair. >> Stella got her legs back, dude. We got this [ __ ] man. All right. >> Um, >> yeah. >> You had uh you had fame at at a young age. >> Like how do you go from this pseudo rats kind of energy, right? How do you go We

37:10don't want to talk about anything. >> No, I don't know. >> But because how do you go from that to becoming like a >> No, I think it's fascinating because when I look at pictures of like me and the Goonies, which never should have happened cuz I had missed 36 out of 56 days of school. I got in a fight with my

37:25mom. She kicked me out of the house in Santa Barbara. I went to go live on the couch with my dad and he was in an apartment with his girlfriend in LA. So, it was like me going, I got to get my [ __ ] together. What do I do? My dad's an actor. Maybe I'll try that. Maybe I do

37:40that. And martial arts. You always got to get into martial arts when you're getting your [ __ ] together. >> Everybody. Every kid. You know what I mean? >> That's fistoot way. That's what the movie's about. [laughter] I think >> that's it. That's it. And then, so yeah, I tried to get my [ __ ] together and I

37:53went on auditions. I went on so many auditions, dude. And I heard so many people say basically versions of you suck. >> Like definitely don't do this, don't pursue this. Like the martial arts things sounds pretty good for you. >> But were you good at Were you Were you [laughter] >> What? >> What? >> Were you good at auditioning?

38:14Auditioning is hard. >> No, I just said I was horrible at it. >> True, >> bro. I was horrible. >> I was so bad at my job, dude. [laughter] >> You just >> I was horrible. Not only was I horrible then, but I was always horrible at it. And there was a girl, and I've said this many times, but Merryill Poster, who was

38:31third in charge at Miramax, said when she when that thing was still going on, she said, "The worst," she said it publicly, "the worst auditioners we ever saw, we ever experienced in our kind of history at Miramax were Benio Del Toro and Josh Brolan." >> Let's go. >> So, there's some positive in that somewhere.

38:51>> Yeah. Well, there's some Benio and you go, he's great. >> Yeah. And there's some way that obviously that that that doesn't define everything because Yeah. I think like that auditioning is so hard, dude. One time I went in, this is a freaking most embarrassing story. I stayed up watching um Shirley Temple movie, right?

39:11>> Right. >> And I went in audition and they're like, "You have to sing something." And I can't sing at all. Right. I can sing. I mean, I can do Christmas carols >> and maybe a couple of mild stuff, maybe some early um bush, but um >> Guns and Roses. >> Yeah, I can do some Guns and Roses, but

39:30that's imitational, but it's like I can't really sing. So, I sang um a song of Shirley Temples, right in this [ __ ] audition room. And I think they're like, >> "Really?" >> Yeah. What? >> Like, you chose it? >> Yeah. >> They were like, "Can you sing?" And you go, "Actually, I prepared a Shirley Temple song."

39:46>> Yeah. And I didn't know what else to do because I it was more like a like a um po. It was almost like reading a poem or singing like Christmas. It was it didn't feel like real singing or something, you know? >> Um and I and I remember at first I started and it was not going good and I

40:01was like, "Can you guys open the window?" Cuz I was just so [ __ ] [laughter] scared. >> So they tried to open this window and it didn't open. It was like one of those businesses where they just want you >> another awkward moment. >> Yeah. Be in pain in there. Like they're over there looking at the [ __ ] thing

40:14and they already know. I have no chance at this thing. Right. >> Right. [laughter] >> And then I was like, and so then I did it again and I just like, God, I remember going home and be like, I just can't [ __ ] live like this, man. >> It's horrible. There's no worse feeling when I know people who audition even

40:30today and I'm like, I wouldn't wor I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. >> Yeah. like just I mean you and you think it's some like so we'll go back but like I so after the Goonies I didn't really there was flirting with disaster in the middle there was a movie that I did that I was really lucky to get and the only

40:49reason I got it is because David O Russell demanded that I was the guy >> but Miramax said no he's a guy who should have hit and didn't so I spent 22 years kind of in the ethers after the Goonies right >> because Goonies you that was one of the biggest at at a time. Was it one of the

41:06biggest things that ever happened? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> You mean to me or just period? >> I think just period. >> Just period. >> Was it? It was. Yeah. Because I remember like when did Goonies come out? >> Was it 80 >> 85? Right. I remember of course watching it when I was a kid. But sometimes when

41:20you were a young kid, you're not exactly the sure if something came out four years ago or it just came out. >> But um yeah, it was one of the craziest. It was like everybody impersonated everything and everything was related to it and like you would have like >> Yeah, it was Halloween costumes and everything. >> Yeah.

41:35>> Um, so that was one of So it was one of the biggest things that happened. So at that time were you drinking and partying at that time? >> Yeah, bro. >> That's what that's the thing. No, no, no. I'm not saying that like a P, but bring up that last picture that you just that you just had. Like I look at that

41:50and then I think I'm lying. Do you know how like if you look back at your stories and all that kind of stuff and you're talking about your mom and you're talking about how they stole your balcony and all that kind of stuff and then you think am I lying? Did I make a bunch of [ __ ] up? Because when I look at

42:06that dude I go, you look pretty healthy and young and pretty innocent and naive. >> Oh, like are the stories in your head not real? >> Are not real? Because because that guy I don't see what I know was the trajectory from 8 to that >> I see >> is super gnarly.

42:27You know, I'm not going to say it on here, but the [ __ ] that I was doing before that moment was I should have been here already. >> Really? >> Oh, yeah. For sure. >> You were partying pretty hard. >> Super hard. Like mo like some of those guys had already died at that point. So anyway, then you get this, then you go

42:45out and you be with your dad and then you go on the 350 auditions and people are saying, you know, it's not for you. And then you get a role and it's that role and you show up and you've never done it and you don't know what you're doing. >> So that was one of your first roles,

42:58Goonies. >> The first role. >> No way, dude. I didn't Sorry, I didn't know this. >> The first time ever in front of a camera. I ruined the first day of shooting because I couldn't stop laughing. >> Wow. couldn't stop ruining the whole [ __ ] >> Cuz you were laughing. Does it all seem ridiculous? >> No, it was just like nerves like nerves

43:17coming out sideways and [ __ ] action, [laughter] you know, just [ __ ] it all up. And I remember Spielberg coming up and saying, "We need to we need to get through this. You need to just take a breath and let's just get through this." I'm like, "Oh, oh yeah, okay, good." But then, yeah, then I did Thrashing after that, which

43:37was became like one of the worst movies I ever did to me at that time. >> Thrashing. >> Yeah, it was a skateboarding movie. >> Oh, >> and then >> Well, that makes sense, though. >> There you go. Like, look at that. Quintessential '8s movie. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah, >> you look like Will Frell in that.

43:54>> I do. >> This is like Will Frell and a young David Spade. I feel like in this in this picture right here, [laughter] dude. My assistant Bob loves you. I mean, that's the thing. It's like it's a guy story. >> That's great. You know, it actually that that picture looks like Val Kilmer really a little bit.

44:12>> It kind of does, doesn't it? >> What? Me or her? >> You do. Different stages of Val. >> Different stages of Val. That was Val later. >> Thrash and it was just Val finding himself. >> So that kind of became like Tony Hawk was in that. Were you ever a skater? No. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Tony Hawk was in

44:29that and like Tony Alva and all these famous skaters, Christian Hoy and and this became way later like a cult film. >> Got it. That's what I was going to ask if it became like a cult classic. >> But I saw it and I was so bad in it. I was like I like my acting is actually

44:46like actively hurting people at this point. >> Like go figure this out. But what do you were you did you think that it was because you'd had a better director the first time or could you even ever do it and you just didn't realize it maybe? >> But you're asking questions that I couldn't even because I hadn't been

45:01around. It's not like I grew up in the business and I grew up in LA and all. So I didn't know. >> All I know is I is I sounded stupid to me. >> Oh. >> And then I had no voice control which I realized later is like part of it. And you kind of you know you're like

45:16Chrissy. >> Yeah. >> I love you. And you're like ew. you know, and then and then I went to New York and I studied and I did all that stuff and then I kind of changed it. I met this guy Anthony Zerby. I started doing a bunch of theater. I started doing all that stuff's boring. But [gasps]

45:33yeah, I took it seriously. >> So I had 22 years of taking it seriously because nobody was interested until really I did No Country. >> Yeah. >> And then No Country kind of changed [ __ ] kind of. Yeah, definitely. >> Good for you, dude. >> Yeah, thanks, man.

45:53>> Sticking it out and still believing in yourself, I bet. Were there times where you were like, did you even did you get another job ever? Like, was there a time where you're like, I can't Well, I guess you had to get a job at some point, something else, or were you were you able to just financially take care of

46:04yourself? >> Yeah, I did. I was a landscaper for a year. >> Oh, [ __ ] yeah. >> And then I was when I was 30, I was uh I traded full-time. I learned how to trade from a guy named Brett Markinson. >> Trading what? cards. >> Stocks. >> Oh, stocks. Yeah, >> stocks. >> Wow. >> And I was I was really good at

46:23>> You were a stock trader >> for almost five years full-time. >> Were you on the floor with the tickets and stuff? >> No, bro. [laughter] >> Oh, >> that would have been great. >> Yeah. >> You know, no. Uh, I was at home with one, two, three screens and four tabs per screen. >> Oh, you were day trading.

46:39>> I was day trading. I was swing trading and day trading. >> What's the most that you ever made like in a in a >> The most I made more money I'd put it this way. I made more money in those four years really. It was five years, but it within four years than I had made in 20 years acting.

46:56>> Damn. >> But I didn't really make hardly anything acting. You know, there was I [laughter] didn't cuz I wasn't really working. I mean, think about it, dude. And it's not and I don't mean to insult anybody out there, but if you think about like and I think it's okay to say this, No Country I made. How much do you think I made

47:12from No Country? I had been doing it already for 22 years, 20 whatever years. How much you think >> they paid you to be a new country football? >> You know a little bit about somebody being paid or not being paid. How much do you think they paid? >> I think that they paid you >> upfront. I bet that they paid you

47:29$200,000. >> That's pretty good. That was a good guess. 100. 100. So I cleared what? 30? >> Yeah. >> That's not considered a great year. >> Nuh-uh. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> 30. Yeah. And then I did American Gangster after that because I auditioned while I was doing No Country. I sent in a tape and my son who was 16 at the time

47:50played the Denzel part. >> We sent in that tape and that was that's the last audition I ever did >> and that was it. >> I think so. I think so. I think maybe there was one other >> offer only. I love that. And you have to celebrate that stuff. It's cool. >> Oh, [ __ ] That's cool.

48:06>> That's so cool, dude. >> Especially the [ __ ] hurting people with my auditions. Um, but yeah, anyway, that's that. >> And so the day trading went good. >> The day day trading I loved, man. >> But you had to give it up to act. It wasn't >> But it was day but that's the kind of

48:18like to to go back and like say how you're defined in your way and like oh this is how I'm defined or it's way fighting or it's drinking and all that kind of [ __ ] And then you start things start to get revealed that you're good at. You're like, "Wow, I could have developed this [ __ ] when I was young,

48:35given the opportunity or maybe given somebody to direct you, a mentor or a parent or something like that." Like, you're actually good at this [ __ ] You're not a total dumb [ __ ] >> right? >> Do you know what I mean? >> Yeah. There was nothing. >> There was nothing to suggest that there was anything other than a hollow shell

48:52of alcohol. >> Yeah. Oh, dude. Sometimes it's like if I had somebody just to help lay down some banks, >> that's it. But instead, I spend my whole life just like literally just trying to keep the water in with my [ __ ] hands. It feels like >> that's it. >> And it just feels impossible sometimes, but not all the time. And over time, it

49:10gets better. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> when did you start to get sober? When was that like journey for you? >> Quickly, I'll tell you. 19 I I'd gotten busted for something and I had to get out of it. So, I did 19 at 19 and I was doing a little I did a little bit of uh

49:25I did jail time, >> but then I stayed sober for three and a half years. Then I went back out very actively, like consciously and then I like I'm going to go out there. >> Oh, yeah. Like I'm I miss that. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to go do that again. >> Crazy heart kind of. >> Yeah.

49:39>> Like young. >> Young. I was 23 when I went back out. 22 23. >> What were y'all drinking out there then? >> I don't know what we're Look at you all into it. Oh, [laughter] just kidding. >> You're like, "What would you all drinking? Did it taste good? >> What were we drinking back then?" I was

49:56drinking What was I? I was drinking White Russians. Why was I drinking White Russians? >> Wow. >> But it's for a reason. It's like why? Why movie? No, >> it wasn't fancy. It was for I don't know. >> Yeah, that maybe that was it. May When did it come out? When did that movie come out? Maybe that was it. And then I

50:16end up working with him twice. So there you go. What? When? >> 98. 98. >> No, it wasn't that. >> But it could have been. >> But it could have been, >> dude. >> There was some unknown connection. >> We went to Santa Barbara and got to hang out with Jeff one day. >> No way. >> Yeah.

50:30>> Oh, he's the best. >> It was only two months ago, dude. It was one of, bro, one of the coolest times of my life. He has a freaking Chad GPT friend. >> That No. >> Yeah, dude. He does. >> That he talks with >> Yeah. Gary's like, Gary, what? And so, >> of course, he does, >> bro. He had me talking to Gary. Like the

50:48dude is on. >> So what does he do? Ask him questions. He asked him like therapy questions. >> All kinds of stuff. He's like, "Tell him about our wife, Gary." And he just [laughter] he had me locked in, bro. It was just me, him talking to his computer. Then he made his computer make up a song about us hanging out. It was

51:04crazy. >> That's great. >> But it was so cool. >> Uh >> but yeah, Bridges was nice, dude. You know what he sent me a nice picture that he drew for me. >> Yeah, of course he did. >> And he mailed it and he said, "We can get some soup when I come back." >> Yeah. soup just randomly.

51:18>> Yeah, >> he could because he can say whatever he wants and it works. >> Yeah, >> even with that voice. Even I was making fun of my voice as you know in thrashing, but he like somehow made that voice cool. >> Hey, man. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> How's it going, man? Yeah, it's good to see you, man. Yeah. [laughter] You're

51:39like, how did you make that cool? That's so not cool. >> I do. >> I love him, man. I worked with him twice. Oh, it's so cool. >> He's the [ __ ] best, >> bro. It was that was one of the coolest days ever. Just getting just to sit around with him, enjoy some moments, talk about some different stuff, talked

51:54about like relationships and how >> Buddhism >> Yeah. a little bit of Buddhism. He had his buddy who had written a book. Um that was pretty cool. Then he talked about he was in recovery, too. He was he he'd been in some recovery rooms. Yeah. >> So, we talked about that a little bit. And we talked a lot about Crazy Heart,

52:07man. >> Yeah. Did you? Yeah. >> Cuz you love that movie. >> I love it. >> I do, too. >> God. >> Do you know the guy who who made the movie? Who's the director? >> Oh man, [clears throat] sober dude. Um, which is okay to say, I think. Scott. Scott Cooper. Jesus, man. Sorry, Scott. >> No, dude. Bro, that song in there, the

52:26weary kind. >> Yeah. H, it's just so good. Everything about it. And who? Wait, wasn't Colin Frell in it? Colin Frell came up at the end and he sang a song at the end. >> No. >> Yeah, dude. Was Colin Frell in that movie? You're our chat GPT. Jeff chat. What was his name? Gary. Gary

52:47to Jeff. Yeah. >> Yeah, dude. >> Yes. Gary. >> I got it. >> Hey, Gary. >> Paul Herman. Peewee Herman. >> Pee-wee Herman. >> Peeweee Herman. Paul Herman. No. Paul Herman was in the Scorsese movie. Paul Herman. Paul Herman was the boyfriend of my first wife when I met her before we

53:07had our first two kids. >> Dear God. >> Just keep going through the internet. And I have some connection with every single thing that you bring up. >> Oh, dang. >> Yeah, dude. >> Paul Herman. >> Paul Herman was great. >> Robert Duval, he played the bartender in it. That helped him get sober. That's right, >> dude. That movie was so

53:25>> It was so good, man. >> So good. And then he >> And he was so good. >> But you know what? I remember seeing Jeff I hope Jeff is okay with me saying this. I remember seeing Jeff on the circuit on like the the promotional circuit during that time that he did Crazy Heart. And he looked I go, "Hey,

53:41how you doing?" He goes, "I miss being an underdog." >> Oh. >> Cuz he was just going from one thing to the other to the other. And it was like, "Fuck that whole thing." >> You get out of ahead of your own skis. I'm sure. >> I would imagine because you do something that people love or that you're lauded

53:58for. But I've never had to really deal with that. >> Really? It seems like it's kind of getting to that space. Does it feel like >> I don't know. >> You don't think? >> I don't know. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. I don't understand my career at all. >> Did you ever feel like you knew though?

54:12>> No. No. >> Like really? >> No. >> Because I could see Jeff like gets like so busy. You don't kind of don't even know. And then like whatever it was that made you feel special, it feels like you've out not outsourced it, but you've you've used it a lot. And even if you use your gifts a lot, I feel like um

54:30they there's something about they they lose their allure to you, I think. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Exactly what you mean. >> And so >> but that also on top of that like I saw at Santa Rabole I saw Jeff. That's the last place I saw Jeff and we're talking and we were at Dylan >> and we both know Dylan separately.

54:50>> Bob Dylan. >> Yeah. And and and and Dylan and we were both talking about Imagine what it's like being Dylan. >> Imagine the level of fame that you can't go anywhere without people going that's a genius. Like that's Bob [ __ ] Dylan who's defined eras in the world.

55:11>> Yeah. >> While Jeff and I are having a talk and maybe somebody's coming up going I love Labowski dude. [ __ ] yeah. Or people go no country. What was up with that dude's haircut? [laughter] >> You know why Jeff fans are Mexican? It seems like it's because we're in Santa

55:33Barbara. >> Oh that's a [laughter] good point. Bro, Crazy Hard, bro. >> Oh, I loved you in in Milk. Elche, >> bro. [laughter] Bro, you [ __ ] played Harvey Milk, didn't you? >> Yeah, you played I No, I didn't. >> Bro, you were Harvey Milk. >> It wasn't Harvey Milk. >> Sean Penn, wasn't it? >> Was it? It was Sean Penn.

55:51>> He's pretty incredible, huh, >> dude? He was amazing. He's amazing. That movie. I saw that movie recently. >> Did you ever get to meet the guy that played My Red Foot or whatever? You know what I'm talking about? >> My Left Foot. >> My Left Foot. >> My Red Foot. I like >> That's the guy that got that rash. Oh

56:05yeah, it was [laughter] the guy. It was either him or it was that >> No, Daniel D. Lewis. >> Yes, dude. >> God, I love talking to you, man. You know nothing about the movie industry. >> Yeah, that's amazing. >> I don't know a ton about it, man. >> No, no, no, no. I'm not I'm not blaming

56:19you. I'm saying it's amazing. >> It's amazing because you like you're talking about life [ __ ] >> Not talking about like, oh, you're here and we're going to talk about the movie industry all the time. It's like when when you had Neil Degrasse Tyson in here, how was that? It was cool because I think some people like have thoughts

56:36like he has different views like I think he thinks men can be pregnant and stuff like that or whatever but I don't care some of that sometimes I don't care about like things like that like I want to talk to him about space and I want to hear his voice you know >> and so sometimes for me it's like

56:50sitting and just listening to his voice for a couple of hours and and just seeing if I can like >> I [snorts] don't know just have some nice thoughts with him or something but sometimes it's just about like spending time. >> So that was pretty cool. And he's like, "Did you know?" You know, and he just [ __ ] he kind of seems like some like

57:07um I don't even know what he seems. >> Seems bigger than life. >> He seems like Father Times like thick son. >> Father Times thick son. >> Yeah, >> that's exactly. >> He's like if Father Time had a thick son that went and did his own [ __ ] like his space [ __ ] and his he's his dad's like,

57:22"Bro, don't be doing all the space shit." And Neil's like, "I'm doing the space [ __ ] >> I'm doing it. I don't give a [ __ ] what you say. I'm going out on my own." >> Yeah. And he also, dude, and he also like he went out but with like a hat like um he he just has this like kind of

57:36timeless I can't even explain it. >> Yeah. No, that's what that's what I got when I met him. He came up to me and he was like, "Hey, man. I'm a big fan. I just wanted to say hello." And I was like, "Oh, nice to meet you. It's great." And then I'm talking to him. I don't recognize him. And then I look

57:47down and he's got like one of those >> like Aloha shirts, but it's got planets all over it and like shooting stars. And I'm thinking, "What a weird shirt to wear." And I was like, "No [ __ ] way." And then it hit me. You're cross Tyson. >> Yeah, >> you're father time. >> Yeah, >> but the thick cousin of father time.

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1:01:16Carlo Rell Ralli you know and that Carlo Ralli was was you know wrote this book on you know the basics of of quantum physics >> and is that him yeah man and these guys are [ __ ] genius >> and it's so fun following this like labyrinth of all this new stuff and

1:01:38being turned on to all this [ __ ] that I'm like, "This is amazing. This is like I feel like I'm This should have happened when I was in school, but it didn't. But it's happening now, and it's happening now. It's so cool." >> Do you feel like you've had two different lives of life before sobriety and after? Like, is there something that

1:01:53that did for you that made life even more interesting? >> No, I feel like there's been like 28 of them. >> Wow. >> So, there wasn't one or two or like one and then this happened then it all changed. >> Yeah. >> No. And maybe because I've been sober a few times. I don't know. I don't know. I

1:02:09don't think it has to do I think part of it has to do with sobriety, but part of it has to do with people I met. Part of it has to do with setting. Like I just literally landed from Tucson, Arizona, and I went to Tucson, Arizona for 3 days, and I saw a guy that I've known

1:02:21for 38 years, who I met on the set of some series that I was doing out in the middle of nowhere, 45 minutes from Tucson that nobody ever saw, but I met this fireman out there and he's still one of my best friends. >> Wow. So, I just went out there and stayed in his little guest room and and

1:02:38we, you know, and it's just cool [ __ ] And Tucson is [ __ ] weird, >> dude. It's weird. I used to live there. >> What? >> I freaking lived at Col near Coven Pantano. >> What? >> Yeah, dude. I used to freaking love >> Wait, did you go to college there? >> I went to University of Arizona for one

1:02:51semester and I went to high school there for one semester, too, dude. And they would always have like all the kids like predominantly Mexican kids at my school. And that means all Mexican kids. >> Yeah, that was me, too, bro. And dude, it was me, bro. And I took [ __ ] Spanish class, bro. And they would

1:03:06[ __ ] >> they were [ __ ] over on the side [ __ ] doing like I think some of them were like even painting the classroom and [ __ ] Like people were [ __ ] work like they got in jobs with the school for that hour or they were all hanging out. I was the only one talking with the

1:03:21teacher. It was like me and the teacher just learning Spanish and they all knew it. But it was a class that they had and all all the kids would fight in a a car wash after like you want to box say and they would [ __ ] fight in the car wash after >> you know how to do the accent

1:03:34>> and bro the best was the guy like the short guy >> but when he would talk he would have to get taller like so he would look [ __ ] straight up bro he'd be like dog >> you ever see Lasleepy >> sleepy she dances bring up the sleepy >> I never seen her >> oh la dora

1:03:51>> sleepy there's sleepy >> oh Loveless sleepy cool as [ __ ] >> She will dance on Instagram for you. >> Look at Oh yeah. >> [ __ ] yeah. >> No. Anyway. Yeah. Uh Tucson. Yeah. I >> Tucson is magical. >> My my my school three just to say it. Santa Barbara High three and a half

1:04:12thousand people. 80% Mexican. >> Really? >> Oh yeah. 80% Mexican. And it's And it wasn't like a thing and it's not a thing but it was definitely like when I showed up at school it's like what you looking at way boy? Yeah. >> I was like, "Oh, man. It's all good." >> What's happening? >> Scrappy. What's happening, WLE?

1:04:28>> Yeah, that's what they would say. >> What's up, Bissy? >> What's up, Weeble? >> What's up, Call? >> And it would be the the It would be the blue pants >> and then the wife beater and then the shirt with the button up here and open all the rest and the Vans, the slip-on Vans. >> Yeah, it was cool.

1:04:44>> What? >> It was fun, bro. I went to Sanorita. >> Did you? >> Yeah. Santaita High School. And they would have the alarms would go off. They would have some sort of gang issues all the time and so the alarms go off. We'd have to lay down. I remember laying down at lunch and having to just eat my

1:04:58cheeseburger just laying there. >> It wasn't about like earthquakes and [ __ ] shootings. >> It was just like violencia, you know, >> violence. [laughter] >> But it was a [ __ ] >> You ever see two Mexican chicks fight? >> I don't know if I did, but >> it's not nothing I've ever seen in my life, including Tyson boxing matches,

1:05:18>> that is that violent ever. >> Really? >> Oh, bro. Yeah. >> Just went at it >> cuz they get it done. >> Hair pulling, punching, nails. >> That's what we need. >> That's what we need. We need that back. >> Yeah, [laughter] we need that back. >> Do you know Dana pretty well? >> Yeah, >> I know Dana pretty well.

1:05:34>> I do know Dana. >> Yeah, I know Dana through motorcycling. He loves Harleyies and I love Harleyies. Yeah. Loves. >> Is that one of your uh hobbies? >> Like my thing is I have a group of guys and I go these long pulls, 1200 mile pulls or whatever. And then Dana does it with newer bikes, but he has, you know,

1:05:49his group of guys and he goes out and we talk and >> Oh, I didn't know that. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. He's been real good to me about just uh >> Yeah. just welcoming me into that group over there. Just letting me be around their group >> and um >> That's cool. >> I Yeah, that's been one of the gifts of

1:06:05my life is being associated with I think >> the people there and the the just getting to see the fighters inspired by a lot of those guys, you know. It's so like the fighting. >> I do. Yeah, me too. First I didn't >> Yeah, me too. When it first happened >> was too much. >> I was like, "This is not going to work."

1:06:20>> It was crazy, dude. It was the same people that were like breeding dogs and [ __ ] would have like a V dog fighting. Yeah. They'd have a VHS tape. The same guy that was like saying, "You could [ __ ] my sister, bro." Or whatever. Like that guy would be watching it on the weekend. He'd be like, "These people are

1:06:35going to Hades or whatever." You know, like it. >> Seriously though, it just wasn't going to work. And then it got more interesting and more interesting and then it started overwhelming boxing, which was crazy. Oh, the journey of it all has been crazy. But in the beginning, Yeah. I mean, when you saw this, you were like, "What the [ __ ] is

1:06:50>> I mean, look at that. What's happening? Is this Is this a Is this heavyweight?" And what happened to the guy? Did he deflate? >> It just seems like I'm trying to think what happened. >> And look, no gloves, >> bare knuckle. >> And then now we've come all the way around back around a bare knuckle with

1:07:07Mike Perry. And what a great what amazing to watch Mike Perry's journey where he like he was in UFC beloved by people just for wearing his all of his heart on both of his sleeves and just like and but couldn't he would always just go straight at the guy and get hit a million times. But then he created

1:07:24this other outlet for and it just like I don't know unreal >> so many great stories. I mean Nick turned me on our producer Nick's the one who kind of turned me on to UFC >> and um we had Tate Fletcher in and then we had um >> I know Tate. >> Yeah, he's a great guy. Tate really well

1:07:37>> and then uh Dustin Porier came on and then he and I became friends and then just like David Spade took me to a UFC fight and then um and then since then yeah we've gotten to go and now they're letting me even work on the ringside and doing like a um >> like commentating. >> Yeah, but it's uh like a just a casual

1:07:54commentating like >> Yeah. Just throwing out [ __ ] >> Yeah. Just me watching the fights with like Dean Thomas. So >> no way >> if you ever come you have to be a guest. We had Anthony Key last time. Drew Brees came and was a guest, dude. Drew Brees who like like >> he came and was a guest. Um just like so

1:08:13moments like that Gatey came, Rogan was just like none of that matters but just to be able to sit there with them that we all have this thing in common. >> It's amazing. >> So cool. >> It's amazing. It's nice to have the throughine. That's what I'm saying about the motorcycles and and and >> you know it's like you have the

1:08:27throughine man. You have this interest. You have this shared interest and you're like this is [ __ ] bitching. Yeah. >> And yeah, the UFC stuff is huge for me and always has been. What What was the last fight? I haven't been to a fight in a long time. The last fight I went to was when Holly Holmes lost to Misha Tate.

1:08:47>> Yeah, >> that was Nate Diaz when Nate Diaz won or lost to Conor McGregor. >> Oh, wow. >> Conor, what? Submission by whom? Oh, by Nate. So, Nate Diaz won and Holly Holm lost. That was a long time ago. >> Yeah, that was a while ago. That was the last fight that I was at and and I saw

1:09:07Joe there and all that. >> Oh, yeah. It's so It's just so much fun, dude. >> It's so much fun. >> And all the people that Dana has working around him. Craig Borsari. Yeah. Um Nicole, Amber, just like there's so many people there. And now when I see them, like I just remember like it's family. >> Say like family.

1:09:25>> You have I I do want to make sure that we talk about you have a new project coming out called Whalefall. >> Yes, sir. What do you want to talk about? >> Well, >> have you seen it? No, >> I haven't seen it. They won't allow me to watch it. >> No, I don't. No, I I I think I knew

1:09:38that. Um, >> and that's okay. >> Yeah. Whale Fall, Austin Abrams. It's It's bitching. I mean, it really is like a word that I can use that you understand. It's one of these movies. It's >> there's a book written by uh Daniel Krauss, who's become a really close friend, who stayed in our house for a couple weeks finishing his last novel.

1:09:57He just won the Pulitzer for the WA novel that he did after this which is called Angel Down. I read this while I was doing when I was working with Ridley in Italy on uh Scott. >> Yeah. With the dog stars that just came out and I was reading this book while I was doing that movie and I remember

1:10:16getting to the end of the book and I slowed it down which I hadn't done for a long time and slowed it down because I didn't want it to end. And then it end and I put the book on my chest and I [ __ ] sobbed >> like when was the last time I've done that of what you mean? When I read the

1:10:30book >> and then I didn't even read the script. I said I'm in. I'll do it. And you know it's not like it's playing the dad of Austin Abrams who goes the dad dies. Austin Abrams goes out to try to find his remains knowing where he went down. He jumped out of a boat went down. >> Don't tell me everything.

1:10:49>> No, no, no. I won't tell you everything. He gets swallowed by the whale and then >> god. >> And you're like, how do you do a movie where a dude spends 80% of the story? How do you write a book or do a movie where the guy spends 80% of the time in a in a whale?

1:11:03>> In a whale >> and it's [ __ ] really good. >> Wow. >> Like, and I'm pretty I'm pretty honest about when I see a movie, I go, "Nah, we missed a little bit." >> Yeah. You said Thrasher was bad. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It came along, though. >> It did. And then And then I learned not

1:11:18to say shit's bad. >> Wow. Oh yeah, >> because somebody comes up and says, "Hey man, you know, my parents were junkies and this and I watched that movie and I found skateboarding and skateboarding became my skateboarding saved my life." And I go, "Okay." So I'll never say, you know, "Hey, were you in Thrash?" And I go, "Yeah, that movie sucks."

1:11:36>> You know what I mean? Like why do you put that on there? That's not their experience. >> So Whalefall did doesn't suck. Whalefall is really good. The directing is really good. The acting Austin Abrams is amazing. He was in weapons with me. >> Bring up a picture of Austin Abrams. Dude, I got to meet freaking Austin

1:11:53Butler not long ago. Have you ever met him? >> Yeah, I did Dune with him. >> You did? >> I did, >> dude. I have to [ __ ] watch that. >> I did Dune with him. Yeah, >> that's him. >> Yeah, that's him. He looks a little skinny there, but if you look to the left, he looks a little more fullfaced.

1:12:08>> Yeah, he also looks a bit like >> That looks a little like you. >> Really? >> No. [laughter] What about that one? >> No, he looks like Timothy Shalom. >> You didn't see You didn't like Timothy Shalamé. You think so? >> Timothy Shalom. Maybe dude, that's [laughter] what he looked like, bro. And no shame. >> No shame.

1:12:28>> And also to even look close to Timothy Shalamé is pretty good. >> Yeah. >> But that's cool, bro. >> Timothy's kind of the tiptop of it all right now. >> Timothyy's a neat guy. >> Yeah. You haven't seen Dune? >> I haven't seen Oh, I will tell you this. I tried to watch it and the freaking

1:12:42audio was bad on the television I was watching. So, you can't do that cuz the audio is like everything in that movie. Dune 1, Dune 2, Dune 3. >> Oh, [ __ ] God. >> Shakario. Have you seen Shakario? >> Uhuh. Is that with Marlon Brando? >> No, that's with me and um wait, who del Toro? You're not

1:13:03>> the other worst actor. They put >> the other worst actor. Yeah. Um uh Emily Blunt. That's a good movie, dude. That's good. Yeah, >> I'll put it on stuff to consume. I have a list of things to consume in my book. >> You know, I'm an actor. >> Yeah, >> that's what I do. >> Sorry. >> What do you do? [laughter]

1:13:20>> I heard you were sober. >> I don't know. >> For I'm sorry, dude. Some of the stuff. >> Okay, good. Sorry, dude. >> Yeah, I know a lot of stuff. >> I know you do. >> Okay. You're a smart dude. >> Thanks, dude. >> You are. >> Um >> Oh, there's another one. Thanks for bringing up another one. Only the brave.

1:13:39>> Only the brave with Miles Teller, dude. And he's >> Jeff Bridges. >> Oh, wow. >> There's Jeff. >> Miles is a good dancer. >> Look, >> Miles is a good dancer. Yeah, >> he is. How do you know that? >> He just dances to the beat of his own drum. I've seen him at places him dancing and sometimes I used to go up

1:13:56and talk to him if I saw him. I mean, Miles and I get along well and we're buddies. We'll text and stuff and chat about the fights. >> But now if I see him dance and I just say and admire it. >> Yeah. No, I do too. Cuz you can't dance, right? >> Not like him. >> I can't dance.

1:14:09>> He can enjoy himself. >> Yeah. I always had a tough time enjoying myself. Does that make any sense? >> No, it does. It makes perfect sense cuz I had the same thing. Like I look like an idiot right now. >> Yeah. >> And imagine doing it on film. >> Oh. >> Well, they go, "Hey, you're going to do

1:14:23this dance." And everybody goes, "Oh, >> too scary. >> That sucks. >> Too scary. >> Josh looks like a Neanderthal trying to dance. That's not cool." >> I'm like, "No, I can't do it. I can't do it." And then Miles does it and you go, >> "Hey, >> that's how it's done. >> It can be done." Yeah. He just and he

1:14:39does his own way. Yeah. I I admire that he's just able to be such in a in a free space. >> Um >> he's a good actor, too. >> Yeah, dude. He's good. >> Really good. >> He's really good. He's so entertaining. >> Um Oh, what what about the book made you so at the at the end? Was it just the

1:14:55ending or was it something? Oh, I think it was the father son ex uh relationship because the father in the book is super hard on the son and the son rejects it in a major way and then when he need what he needs in order to hopefully survive is exactly what the

1:15:17father taught him. Do you know what I mean? So it's not like the father was just being a dick to be a dick. It's just the way that came out that seemed dicky. >> Yeah. >> You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. >> So then, and then you realize, ah, the dad actually cared and it actually meant

1:15:33something. And maybe somehow the father even knew intuitively that he was going to need it. >> That's crazy. >> That was cool to me. >> That's a good writer to me. Like somebody who you're just reading this kind of surface thing and you're like, "Yeah, this is a really cool story." And then somehow somebody reaches inside you

1:15:52and just [ __ ] grabs your heart and [ __ ] squeezes it. >> Surprise, [ __ ] >> Surprise, [ __ ] >> I'm not even a doctor. [laughter] >> That's right, >> dude. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Your dad and your dad was an actor. >> My dad is an actor. >> Is your dad Sorry. >> He's still alive.

1:16:09>> Thank God. >> Yeah. [laughter] Thank God. >> Thank God. >> He's still He's 86 and he's he's killing it. He's doing well. Well, James, you have a nice son. >> I'll say that, too. >> Thank you. >> Was your dad Your dad was famous when you were growing up. >> He he he fluctuated, man. He did a show

1:16:27called uh [ __ ] Marcus Welby when I was a kid. So, we were My parents were super poor and they both come My dad was kind of middle class family. My mom was super poor family from Texas. And then and then he got this [ __ ] role on TV that became like the friends of that

1:16:47generation. It was a number one TV show for like 5 years. >> Really? >> Yeah. What was it called? Marcus Welby. Yeah. Look at that's him. And then he and then he fluctuated. He did a movie called Amityville Horror like maybe 20 years after that or maybe 10 years after that. So he would have money and then

1:17:07not have money and then have money and not have money and he you know like normal actor man. >> Yeah. >> Normal creative profession. It's like you know you have books that sell and books that don't sell. You have movies that do well you have movies that don't do well. >> So you saw this growing up. Do you think

1:17:21that's why you ended up wanting >> I think it's part of it. I think it's part of it. >> Yeah. Some you >> But my mom rode a Harley. He didn't ride a Harley. My mom rode a Harley. >> [ __ ] yeah. >> With the monkey which was probably unsafe. >> Reggie. Reggie. Reggie wrote on the

1:17:36back. >> Dude, how could I have a suspended license? How in the [ __ ] did you do right now? >> How do you get a license? >> Wait, you have a spec? Yeah, >> I had one. >> Did you? >> Yeah. 1718 1617 18. >> You got suspended? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They'll give it back. They don't

1:17:52like to. Sometimes. >> They don't like to give it back. >> They don't And they shouldn't, but they'll give it back, dude. But what about So, if your dad was famous, was it weird? Was fame like this weird thing that you felt like? Um >> I still feel it, man. I mean, look, if we >> But did you feel like your like was your

1:18:07was it a big thing to your dad or was the acting a big thing? Is that a weird question? >> Yeah, but it was my my mom like I don't mean to demean my dad, but my mom would call studio heads when my dad didn't get something and say, "Are you stupid?" >> Yeah. >> Have you seen my husband? Like he's 6'4,

1:18:25super handsome. Like why would you use this other guy when you could use him? So they were all talking about my mom cuz my mom, like I said, had no filter. >> She was everything. >> That's amazing. >> So she would just call and just, you know, and and they would talk to each other and be like, "Have you gotten a

1:18:41call from this girl?" Oh, yeah. I talked to her last week. And and [snorts] my dad, not all his jobs, but he got some jobs from that. You know what I mean? >> Yes. >> But fame was like I remember my dad doing really well at some point and I and he would get really irritated with the attention.

1:18:58>> With the attention. Yeah. With the attention, with public attention. Some people eat it up, you know. Do you >> um I think there was a time where you were excited about it. You want people to know who you are. >> Yeah. >> And then there's a time like I think it got to a point where it was kind of

1:19:15maybe I don't put scary as the word, but um you know what I miss like >> I used to one thing I even like used to like about comedy was if it was a surprise to people. >> Yeah. Because when people don't know that you're that or if people haven't seen you, >> that's what I mean. >> Then you can you have the opportunity to

1:19:35surprise them with something that you say and that disappears. So then you have to work in a different space with humor. >> Yeah. >> And maybe with anything, >> which may be cool because you're having to reinvent your own humor. Yeah. >> So that's cool because that's creative and you have to like redesign this whole thing. But at the same time, it's kind

1:19:53of a bummer because everybody knows you. If you do too many freaking podcasts or too many interviews, people know you so well that what could you possibly do? >> Yeah. >> On the stage or on the screen that people are like, I had no idea. >> And I thought you were a parapolgic. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> You know what I mean?

1:20:12>> You're playing prefontain. >> Exactly. >> And dude, I think sometimes you start to like I don't know. I think there's moments where it's like I I don't like you don't even like like I don't know if it's like you don't even like yourself that you put out there or something or it's like you want to be something

1:20:32different. I don't know. >> Yeah, >> it's all I think a lot of it's been kind of interesting. Here's what I do think about it. A lot of times I try not to attach myself to it too much. >> When I do that gets kind of like >> then I'm [snorts] really stuck kind of in some ego space.

1:20:45>> Yeah. Yeah. >> And I try to um just be like, "Okay, this is an interesting experiment that God kind of has me in. I get to see what this is like to have popularity. I get to see what it's like. >> Yeah. I'll experiment with this. >> Yes. >> I'll experiment my reaction to it. I'll experiment with Yeah. See, that's when

1:21:00it's cool. >> Yeah. But it's not like I don't want it to determine um like there were times when I was struggling with sobriety and I didn't even want to talk about it on the podcast >> because >> Yeah. Cuz you were struggling with it. But I but I'm okay with that part. But I didn't want this is about alcoholism, I

1:21:17think. But it's like I was afraid >> that well what if people respond to that in some way >> and then my alcoholistic mind or whatever starts either relapsing or doing something like that just to get people to then >> like pay attention. >> I got it. >> It was like I don't want to like >> what if I play into this public persona?

1:21:39>> Yes. So they'll keep liking me or they'll or I can surprise them in this way, >> right? >> I lived on that, man. I lived on the stories that I wouldn't even remember, but I lived on because it made me it materialized me. It made me seen. It was like, "Fuck, do you know what you did

1:21:58yesterday?" I was like, "No, what?" >> Oh. >> And they were like, "Dude." >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> And then you go, "Oh, okay. That's who I am." Like me talking about my mom now and you're fascinated. I'm like I'll create my version of that. >> Yeah. >> And then to not do that, you have to

1:22:16create this other thing and then you know like you you're obviously really good at what you do and people are like ah you're good at that. You're not just good at cocaine. [laughter] You're good at >> Well, tell me tell me a little bit more about what you're saying because I'm a little confused on it. >> Yeah. I think that fame, what fame can

1:22:33do is define you in a way. And I don't want to be defined. I don't want to be defined as an alcoholic. I don't want to be defined as famous. I don't want to be defined even as an actor. Like I realize it's what I do. >> I don't want to be defined as anything. >> As anything.

1:22:48>> What is it? >> I want to keep discovering [ __ ] I want to keep learning [ __ ] I want to keep surprising myself. If I decided to quit acting tomorrow and I decided to become a full-time trader, if I wanted to be a photographer, I wanted to do this. I want to be allowed to do that. I don't

1:23:03want to be imprisoned by some idea that I've finally been accepted as this one thing cuz that's not my goal is to be accepted. >> Do you know what I mean? >> Yeah. I'm think as you're saying, I'm thinking about it. I don't want to be defined. >> I don't want to be defined. >> I don't want you to know who I am

1:23:19because I don't know who I am. >> Right. But then what what happens when you finally know who you are or you don't care as much how people perceive you and then you're like I'm good with that. >> You know, it's like when with when with fame I said there's one thing if with fame I've realized this is that every every

1:23:39person who looks at me with some kind of an idea that it's elevated that what I do is elevated. They think that as an actor who's doing well is walking a perpetual red carpet waving at a perpetual audience. >> Like you don't do real [ __ ] >> right? >> Like you don't change the chicken like

1:24:01shavings and with the [ __ ] all over it and put it in the bag and then take the bag to the trash yourself. >> Right. You don't pet the pig. You just eat the pork. >> That's exactly right. Yeah, >> that's exactly right. And you go, "No, I don't want to. I don't want that. I don't want that." And then people do

1:24:17that. Then they start thinking, "Oh, that's what I got to do as a famous actor. I got to >> I got to overreact. >> I got to just eat the pork. >> [ __ ] the pig. I don't even want to see the pig. I'm hungry. You know, can you go do that thing that you do to prepare

1:24:33my >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? And I just don't want to do that. Especially in my profession because I like your profession. You're a mirror. You throw [ __ ] back in people's face and they can laugh at it. M >> they can laugh at their foibless. They can laugh at their, you know, how absurd

1:24:50we are in the [ __ ] that we say and the stuff that we do. And I think that actors do the same thing in story. It's like, >> oh yeah, >> you know what I mean? >> Yeah. When you see an actor do something that you just can't and they or a scene that does something that you can't even

1:25:07>> you don't even know why you're crying. You don't know why you're laughing. >> Yeah. You ever done that thing where you're watching a movie and you're like cry laughing? You're like so moved, but at the same time it's >> Family Man. >> Like Family Man. >> Really? >> Have you seen that with Nicholas Cage? Of >> course I Yeah.

1:25:26>> That's old school. That's old school. You love that movie. >> I love it. >> Yeah. It's good. See, everybody has their thing. >> I love that movie, dude. >> That's why you can't say like Thrash and Ew. You're like, I don't know. >> I'm gonna go watch that. And we have those movies. I have those books. We

1:25:42have those movies. We have those. Seeing Eddie Murphy for the first time. I remember when I was in my room in Santa Barbara and I had this little TV, this little with the with the uh the antenna. >> Oh, yeah. >> You know, and I'm watching what was it? Delirious. >> Mhm. >> For the first time, I'm like, "What the

1:26:00fuck?" [sighs] >> Oh, yeah. >> This is amazing. >> Oh, yeah. It felt like something like you couldn't even get into the world, dude. My we had my we had a TV like that and I would stay up and watch stuff sometimes and my brother would be like turn off the [ __ ] TV [laughter] or I

1:26:15would [ __ ] hide your legs in your [ __ ] right? He would say stuff like that cuz he was creative. But then here's what he would have it, dude. This is what he would do to me. He'd be like, "All right, you can watch it, but you have to [ __ ] keep your eyes closed,

1:26:27dude." And he'd be like, "So, so dude, I would >> more creative." >> Crazy. So, I'd have to have the volume on the lowest thing as possible. I would be close to [laughter] the [ __ ] Yeah, dude. watching a [ __ ] program while you [ __ ] tell >> older brother. Yes, of course. >> While he tells me he's awake, but really

1:26:45it [ __ ] dozed off in a second later, but I couldn't tell because he was like it was dark in there. >> That's hilarious. [snorts] >> That's hilarious. >> [ __ ] Stuff like that was so good. >> Louisiana stuff like that is so good. You look back on it, you're like, that was that was a good time. That was

1:26:59>> steal the [ __ ] balcony. We're [ __ ] we were we were making stories at least like even though I was like I don't know there were parts of me that had to come alive so early I think cuz things were so uncomfortable and I'm glad I think I'm glad that they were alive. It took

1:27:13me kind of a long time to get there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And I had a lot of res. I'm 46. >> So I'm almost I'm almost your age but getting close though. >> 12 years. >> You're 12 years older than me? >> Yeah. >> God. >> Yeah. Dude, >> you [ __ ] look good. You know, and I

1:27:29wish you Oh boy. Hey, chill, bro. I wish you were a freaking woman. And I don't even know what that means, dude. I got to get some help. >> We should just stop it there. [laughter] >> We're almost you were a woman. >> We're all >> Thank you for joining us. This is in the The Von podcast.

1:27:47>> Um I do want to talk about one thing. I want to talk about >> like So I'm going through the steps again right now. >> Yeah. Right on. >> With my sponsor. >> And um did you like I was just thinking about resentments. Did you ever have yourself as a resentment? >> Of course. Oh my god. Probably the

1:28:04biggest one. >> That's crazy, dude. >> Yeah. Why? That's come That's >> that's come up for me. >> Yeah. I And somebody said something in a meeting the other day, dude, and they said, um, I'm unacceptable to myself. >> Yeah. >> And I I had never heard those words before. >> Yeah. >> And it was like, man, that's a lot of

1:28:23And I'm not in self-pity. I'm just looking at it. >> No, no, no. Just looking at it. >> Yeah. But I'm like, dude, that is where a lot of like >> self-loathing. >> I've just Yeah. It's like I'm unacceptable to myself. >> Yeah. But that, you know, not >> interesting. >> It's super interesting. And I heard and

1:28:37I and I've told this story before, but I'll tell you a story that I loved and it shifted something in me. >> And Tony Hopkins told me this story, right? >> Mhm. >> Who very proudly wears his sobriety on his sleeve. He talks about it and will be in Instagram or whatever, which I love that Tony Hopkins is on Instagram.

1:28:55That's [laughter] an artist. >> Great. Yeah. He just he loves like it's not even like you know Instagram is this thing where you're trying to project some image and that people believe. He doesn't give a [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> He just like this is me. >> And look it now he's just like wrote all these song like now he's not even

1:29:11focused on acting. He's like doing these compositions >> and these philarmonics are doing his music. It's it's just the coolest human being ever. But he told me >> he was like how great is it that we're like this? And I go, "What does that mean?" He was like, "We're just alcoholic. We're just angry and we're edgy and we're just dark." And I was

1:29:30like, "Is that a good thing? Is that like I've always been like I always perceive that as like, man, that's shitty." And again, and he goes, "No, because given no direction and no tools, we create more harm and hurt than normal people, than most people. But given a few tools, we can have a bigger impact than most

1:29:50people. >> Given that we have the drive, that we have the motor, we have the motor of alcoholics. I'm like, [ __ ] yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> But I heard that and I thought, this is an 80year-old guy telling me this [ __ ] >> You're That's it. >> And he's British as well. [laughter]

1:30:11>> What does that mean? It just means he was [ __ ] raised with a [ __ ] eating Cadbury eggs and everything over there. >> He's Welsh. >> He's Welsh. >> He's Welsh like like Richard Burton, >> which the Welsh are different, are they? >> Welsh are darker, >> are they? >> Yeah, man. >> Oh, that's good.

1:30:27>> They're like great poets. Dylan Thomas was Welsh. >> I got to study up on them. >> Yeah, man. I'll send you a couple books. I'm going to send you my book. >> Will you? >> Yeah. See, of course I will. >> Great. >> I want you to put it up on our shelf, dude. >> Okay, good. Um, on that note, I do want

1:30:40to say I I read some of that you were friends with Cormack McCarthy. Are you that you knew him? >> Yeah. Yeah. I was with him the night he died. >> No way, dude. >> Yeah. It was me, his son, his ex-wife, and him. >> Did he live in Tennessee? >> No, he lived in Santa Fe, New Mexico,

1:30:55and I was there working. I was doing a series, and I would come in and see him and at his house. I have I have his typewriter. I have his pool table. >> Wow. >> His couch. [ __ ] that he gave me after, you know. It's cool. He's cool. He was a good dude. I like the hard guys.

1:31:11>> Yeah. >> I like the I like the guys that like you you think that like Cormarmac and the [ __ ] that he wrote is so severe and so you know, >> but then he was the nicest guy and he's so smart. He >> was so smart. 20,000 books he left. >> Wow. um when he died and they were

1:31:29archiving his books and he would had he had like a thousand books on math or a thou or or 300 books on whales. You're like ah you're a freak. I love that. >> Talk about not being defined. And plus that's another guy which I think there was a parallel even though we didn't talk about it is that the first and tell

1:31:49all the pretty horses which I think is his sixth novel or his seventh >> that people had maybe bought maybe 1,200 books of each novel. So nobody bought his [ __ ] >> Wow. >> And he kept going. And it's kind of like me as an actor like yeah I started with the Goonies which was cool but then

1:32:07after that it was downhill. >> Nobody bought my >> Nobody cared. [laughter] Nobody cared. >> Oh, I was singing Shirley Temp. >> Yeah, you were. Exactly. That's what I mean. >> For free near windows that wouldn't open, >> dude. Like now you're 46 and things are good, you know? It's great. >> I know. Sometimes I can't believe God's

1:32:23grace in my life. Even just in little moments, you know, and when I'm in that space, it's just everything's [sighs] [gasps] >> It feels okay. >> I like what you said earlier where you just like everything's an experiment. As long as I'm malleable, I'm like wet clay and I'm like, "Yeah, good. Oh, that's interesting. Oh, look at that. That's

1:32:40cool." Yeah, you not like this, [clears throat] not contracting and not like that, you know, just like, ah, that's interesting. It's just like it's all kind of fascinating. >> Going [snorts] to UFC is fascinating. Getting up and trying to make people laugh is fascinating. Doing a movie and trying to make it work is fascinating. >> Yeah, dude. It's so true.

1:33:00>> Like human [ __ ] >> Yeah. Yesterday I had to do a solo episode of a podcast and I was so scared and then I was like, dude, I'm gonna have Let me remember why I started this. I can let me go and try to have some fun >> instead of [ __ ] live in this whatever

1:33:14cage I'm [ __ ] always over here welding these [ __ ] bars and screaming through them. >> That's cool. You did an episode by yourself? >> Yeah, we started this podcast. We did the first 100 episodes was just me by myself talking and then we started having friends on and stuff like that. >> Oh, I didn't know that.

1:33:33>> Yeah, it was fun. >> That's cool. >> It's been a good journey, dude. Um, it's interesting. He had all those books on whales and you ended up and your new project is called whalefall >> and I got super inspired by that and then I wrote a new story that we're going to do in January called the

1:33:47fisherman and then after that which is like this is full circle with the rat then uh Jeremy Rener and I there's a story that's a true story that took place in uh Montalk about a guy two guys that went out on a boat fishing in this Montalk fishing community. One guy fell asleep. One dude fell off the boat. And

1:34:08this guy was looking for this guy for 12 and a half hours. And this dude was just like a rat waiting in the water. No way he was going to survive. No way he was going to be found. It was like a 200 mile, you know, his radius and you just like there's no way you're going to find

1:34:23the dude. And he had no floating device. He had no nothing. >> Dang. >> And he survived. >> [ __ ] >> Like a rat. >> Yeah. 12 and a half hours of swimming in place until he was found right at the last second. He probably was sharks surrounded by sharks. >> So, I'm going to be the I'm going to be

1:34:40the rat. >> And Jeremy's going to be the guy looking for >> dude. Much easier job Rener has. I'll say that, bro. >> Taking the easy one. >> I'll do it with Brolan. >> That sounds fun. >> Yeah, you're [ __ ] soaking wet every set. >> Yeah. I like the whale stuff though. I like like

1:35:02Wow. That's a a lighthouse. >> That's the nautical [ __ ] >> Did you get that done after that? >> I did. >> Let's go. >> I did. >> You It meant that much. >> I mean, it it meant that much and it was a guy who had passed that it was him. >> Let me see one more time. You already

1:35:18showed it once. >> It was in his honor. >> I'm looking at the art, so I'm not looking at your body. >> Okay, now you're making it different. Oh, dude. That's cool, bro. >> I mean, it just is what it is and I don't have to look at it. Everybody else has to look at it, but I know I'm

1:35:36carrying it and that's all I give a [ __ ] about. >> Yeah. >> It's a good reminder for me. And there's a great word, arete. It's a Greek word that this guy gave me and it means excellence in everything that you do. >> And then the five birds are my family. So, that's cool. >> That's a family crisis.

1:35:52>> Experimenting. Experimenting. That's it. Why get a tattoo? I don't know. Why the [ __ ] not? >> Yeah. I don't have I mean I have these but I don't really have it. I had all my tattoos removed. Yeah. >> When I was 30. Yeah. Didn't need them anymore. And then this one came and Sure. Why not?

1:36:11>> Do it. >> Yeah. >> Experiment, man. >> I love it. Um >> nice spending time, bro. >> You too, dude. Nice to get to catch up. Nice to get to say hello and to spend some time together, man. Uh I've heard you speak before. >> Uh yeah, I think it was at Bread and Roses. >> Bread and Roses. Yeah.

1:36:25>> Right on. And we know L. Yeah, we know lies, dude. He's such a sweet guy. >> He is a sweet guy. >> I gotta check in with him. I'll I'll text him a picture of us when we're done. Yeah. Um, but yeah, thanks so much, Josh. Thanks for just being a creative. Thanks for sticking with your

1:36:38art. Uh, that's cool because now you can tell stories that are going to inspire the rest of us. Thanks for telling me about Whalefall and just that it meant something to you because um, yeah, sometimes it's like you don't know who else um is looking for that little piece of connection between like or or something about a father and a son and

1:36:53they're going to hear about that and that might be something for them. So, Exactly. >> Yeah. getting out here today to be a bridge uh for little moments. Um that's pretty cool. >> Yeah. >> So, Josh Brolan, thank you so much, man. >> Thank you, brother. >> Yep. >> Much love. >> Now, I'm just floating on the breeze and

1:37:09I feel I'm falling like these [music] leaves. I must be corner stone. Oh, but when I reach that [music] ground, I'll share this [singing] piece of mind I found. I can feel it in my bones. But it's going to take